Pothole ignored...so teenager fights for life

Echo: Dan Makin Dan Makin

A DANGEROUS pothole which led to a teenage girl being thrown from her bike and into the path of a car had been reported to the county council a week before.

The 18-year-old Rochford girl was left in a life-threatening condition at the Royal London Hospital, Whitechapel, after her condition deteriorated.

The teen came off her bike, in Southend Road, Rochford, after hitting the pothole and fell into the path of a silver Renault Clio.

She is now stable, although her injuries are serious.

The Echo has learned the pothole was reported to Essex County Council a week ago by a cyclist, who broke his shoulder and collarbone, after hitting the hole, and Rochford district councillor Jill Lucas-Gill, who feared it would be a danger.

Dan Makin, 40, of Ashingdon, who was in hospital for a week after hitting the three-inch hole, said: “Thankfully, I hit the pavement and avoided the cars, but that was pure luck.

“I reported this to the highways department when I left hospital.

“This accident was completely avoidable and it’s disgusting this young girl has sustained these injuries. It seems someone needs to lose their life before action is taken.”

Mrs Lucas-Gill said: “I am constantly reporting potholes and when, and if, they are repaired, I am always amazed at how badly they are done.

“I know the county council pay exorbitant amounts of our money to the contractors, so why are they not making sure repairs are done correctly?”

Police have been been investigating the scene of the crash, just a couple of hundred yards north from the Anne Boleyn pub, since the girl was transferred to the Royal London Hospital.

The driver of the silver Renault Clio has not been arrested following the crash.

A police spokesman said: “Following assessment at Southend Hospital, the cyclist was transferred to the Royal London Hospital for further treatment for her injuries, which are now described as life-threatening.

“Police inquiries into the circumstances around the incident are continuing.

“At this point noone has been arrested or reported for motoring offences.”

The lack of action on the pothole comes at a time when County Hall is flush with cash to deal with them.

Thanks to a £4.4million allocation from the Government recently, the council now has £17.5million to improve the road network across the county.

An Essex County Council spokesman said: “A report of a defect in Southend Road, Rochford, was received on June 25 and scheduled for inspection within 28 days. In light of Monday’s accident, this was brought forward and an inspector visited the site to determine whether any immediate action was required.

"National Grid engineers have since been on site to carry out works to the road surface.

“We are aware of the severity of the girl’s injuries and our best wishes are with her and her family.”

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8:14am Thu 3 Jul 14

sesibollox says...

Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over...
Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over... sesibollox
  • Score: 9

8:38am Thu 3 Jul 14

John Right says...

Very unfortunate, however expecting a repair to be done within a week of reporting it, would be a fantasy
Very unfortunate, however expecting a repair to be done within a week of reporting it, would be a fantasy John Right
  • Score: 6

9:01am Thu 3 Jul 14

Dan_ says...

John Right wrote:
Very unfortunate, however expecting a repair to be done within a week of reporting it, would be a fantasy
Assuming we have the whole story that is? I see a lot of potholes which are repeat offenders, where the same patch has been repaired over and over again - when clearly the entire road obviously needs to be relayed to address the fundamental issue of its age! Councils have some responsibility to plan ahead imo, i.e. we know that everything has a limited life expectancy, so they should have started saving long ago to deal with roads that would obviously need renewing at some point.
[quote][p][bold]John Right[/bold] wrote: Very unfortunate, however expecting a repair to be done within a week of reporting it, would be a fantasy[/p][/quote]Assuming we have the whole story that is? I see a lot of potholes which are repeat offenders, where the same patch has been repaired over and over again - when clearly the entire road obviously needs to be relayed to address the fundamental issue of its age! Councils have some responsibility to plan ahead imo, i.e. we know that everything has a limited life expectancy, so they should have started saving long ago to deal with roads that would obviously need renewing at some point. Dan_
  • Score: 7

9:08am Thu 3 Jul 14

StanE11 says...

The following car was too close. Basically, when you overtake a cyclist you should leave enough room that if the cyclist falls sideways you won't hit them. It's in the HC. The driver is at fault.
The following car was too close. Basically, when you overtake a cyclist you should leave enough room that if the cyclist falls sideways you won't hit them. It's in the HC. The driver is at fault. StanE11
  • Score: -22

9:16am Thu 3 Jul 14

ddf35 says...

sesibollox wrote:
Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over...
that's not really going to work in all cases - there have been a lot of potholes at the edge of the road, and particularly developing around drain covers - so it's not really a much safer place to be.
[quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over...[/p][/quote]that's not really going to work in all cases - there have been a lot of potholes at the edge of the road, and particularly developing around drain covers - so it's not really a much safer place to be. ddf35
  • Score: 7

9:17am Thu 3 Jul 14

John Right says...

StanE11 wrote:
The following car was too close. Basically, when you overtake a cyclist you should leave enough room that if the cyclist falls sideways you won't hit them. It's in the HC. The driver is at fault.
As I thought, a culmination of events led to the fall, car driver driving too close, cyclist too far out in the road from the kerbing, pothole.
Was the car driver reported ? was the cyclist reminded of where to safely ride ? we know the pothole has been reported..
[quote][p][bold]StanE11[/bold] wrote: The following car was too close. Basically, when you overtake a cyclist you should leave enough room that if the cyclist falls sideways you won't hit them. It's in the HC. The driver is at fault.[/p][/quote]As I thought, a culmination of events led to the fall, car driver driving too close, cyclist too far out in the road from the kerbing, pothole. Was the car driver reported ? was the cyclist reminded of where to safely ride ? we know the pothole has been reported.. John Right
  • Score: -20

9:20am Thu 3 Jul 14

ddf35 says...

Do we have any better information on the location of this pot hole? i drive along this road every day and would be interested to know if its the patched up bits on the kerbside of the lane heading from rochford towards the anne boyeln - i noticed there were two patches which were from when the road was dug up for gas works a month or two ago and they had started to sag in the middle. then monday or tuesday there were traffic cones on them to stop people driving on them, and then the next day it looked like something had been done to the patches, they were not now sagging, but not flat either, but now had a big lump in them - just as dangerous?!
Do we have any better information on the location of this pot hole? i drive along this road every day and would be interested to know if its the patched up bits on the kerbside of the lane heading from rochford towards the anne boyeln - i noticed there were two patches which were from when the road was dug up for gas works a month or two ago and they had started to sag in the middle. then monday or tuesday there were traffic cones on them to stop people driving on them, and then the next day it looked like something had been done to the patches, they were not now sagging, but not flat either, but now had a big lump in them - just as dangerous?! ddf35
  • Score: 2

9:33am Thu 3 Jul 14

Democrat says...

This young lady is seriously injured because our council don't take their responsibilities seriously enough. I hope she makes a full recovery with no long term effects.

Why do local government 'officers' always hide behind arbitrary 28 day deadlines? In an efficient and cost-effective organisation these false limits are unnecessary. In my experience if you give someone 28 days it implies no urgency. Someone has to visit the reported pothole sometime so why not the day after the report?

A two-man team with an equipped lorry could fill potholes all day long. The excuse will be that they need to find out which utility company's contractors bodged the job in the first place. No, fill the pothole then invoice the firm for parts and labour. The pothole team could pay for itself.

The various councils owe us the public a duty of care so they had better get on with it.
This young lady is seriously injured because our council don't take their responsibilities seriously enough. I hope she makes a full recovery with no long term effects. Why do local government 'officers' always hide behind arbitrary 28 day deadlines? In an efficient and cost-effective organisation these false limits are unnecessary. In my experience if you give someone 28 days it implies no urgency. Someone has to visit the reported pothole sometime so why not the day after the report? A two-man team with an equipped lorry could fill potholes all day long. The excuse will be that they need to find out which utility company's contractors bodged the job in the first place. No, fill the pothole then invoice the firm for parts and labour. The pothole team could pay for itself. The various councils owe us the public a duty of care so they had better get on with it. Democrat
  • Score: 41

9:53am Thu 3 Jul 14

andy:) says...

ECC appear to be at fault here, lets hope the lady concerned makes a full recovery, my bike is a full suspension downhill mountain bike so can handle large potholes but may bikes on the road are not surprisngly road bikes designed to be ridden on flat smooth surfaces, riders quite rightly expect the roads to be rideable. Various local councils and givernment departments spend time and money pursueding people to take up cycling, but we expect the roads to be in good rideable condition.

I hope the lady/family concerned are seeking some legal advice for suing ECC, especially as ECC have indictaed they may sue the contractor. On an initial glance it would appear the lady/family would have a good case.
ECC appear to be at fault here, lets hope the lady concerned makes a full recovery, my bike is a full suspension downhill mountain bike so can handle large potholes but may bikes on the road are not surprisngly road bikes designed to be ridden on flat smooth surfaces, riders quite rightly expect the roads to be rideable. Various local councils and givernment departments spend time and money pursueding people to take up cycling, but we expect the roads to be in good rideable condition. I hope the lady/family concerned are seeking some legal advice for suing ECC, especially as ECC have indictaed they may sue the contractor. On an initial glance it would appear the lady/family would have a good case. andy:)
  • Score: 23

10:33am Thu 3 Jul 14

Howard Cháse says...

Come on Essex County Council. Get your fingers out, prise open the coffers a little and get these roads sorted out. It's taking your life in your hands out there for cyclists every day along almost every stretch of road out there.

You should be adhamed of the state of the roads especially some four years after telling everyone that all the potholes caused by the hard winter were going to be fixed.

Many of them are still there from that period and are getting deeper and wider as time gies on.

It's a disgrace.
Come on Essex County Council. Get your fingers out, prise open the coffers a little and get these roads sorted out. It's taking your life in your hands out there for cyclists every day along almost every stretch of road out there. You should be adhamed of the state of the roads especially some four years after telling everyone that all the potholes caused by the hard winter were going to be fixed. Many of them are still there from that period and are getting deeper and wider as time gies on. It's a disgrace. Howard Cháse
  • Score: 13

11:38am Thu 3 Jul 14

_Lotus_ says...

Some of the potholes are diabolical.

I was driving in my car a couple of months ago and I did not see a gaping great pothole until it was virtually right in front of me, I had no chance of stopping or swerving out of the way.

I ended up crunching over the pothole around 20mph. Two weeks later, yep, there it was, a nice flat tyre. The rim on the wheel had been damaged but it was able to be sorted.

However, what would have happened if a cyclist or a motorcyclist had gone over the same pothole, it would be highly likely in the dark! The hole was repaired, but it is damned lucky a cyclist or biker hadn't gone down it, they would have broken their neck!!

I so hope the girl will be okay, this is horrendous!
Some of the potholes are diabolical. I was driving in my car a couple of months ago and I did not see a gaping great pothole until it was virtually right in front of me, I had no chance of stopping or swerving out of the way. I ended up crunching over the pothole around 20mph. Two weeks later, yep, there it was, a nice flat tyre. The rim on the wheel had been damaged but it was able to be sorted. However, what would have happened if a cyclist or a motorcyclist had gone over the same pothole, it would be highly likely in the dark! The hole was repaired, but it is damned lucky a cyclist or biker hadn't gone down it, they would have broken their neck!! I so hope the girl will be okay, this is horrendous! _Lotus_
  • Score: 10

1:13pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The Macduffian says...

Up here we have a system where potholes can be reported on line, with a turnround time of 48 hours, with workers employed to drive around looking for them as well, I think the problem is some councils like ours use their own staff and have highway departments in all the major areas, others use outsiders, which is always a cost cutting exercise , anyway hope the lady gets better soon must have been a terrible experience
Up here we have a system where potholes can be reported on line, with a turnround time of 48 hours, with workers employed to drive around looking for them as well, I think the problem is some councils like ours use their own staff and have highway departments in all the major areas, others use outsiders, which is always a cost cutting exercise , anyway hope the lady gets better soon must have been a terrible experience The Macduffian
  • Score: 1

1:52pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Maddogg says...

The Macduffian wrote:
Up here we have a system where potholes can be reported on line, with a turnround time of 48 hours, with workers employed to drive around looking for them as well, I think the problem is some councils like ours use their own staff and have highway departments in all the major areas, others use outsiders, which is always a cost cutting exercise , anyway hope the lady gets better soon must have been a terrible experience
Where's up here? Watford? Scotland.?
.
[quote][p][bold]The Macduffian[/bold] wrote: Up here we have a system where potholes can be reported on line, with a turnround time of 48 hours, with workers employed to drive around looking for them as well, I think the problem is some councils like ours use their own staff and have highway departments in all the major areas, others use outsiders, which is always a cost cutting exercise , anyway hope the lady gets better soon must have been a terrible experience[/p][/quote]Where's up here? Watford? Scotland.? . Maddogg
  • Score: 1

2:29pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The Macduffian says...

Maddogg wrote:
The Macduffian wrote:
Up here we have a system where potholes can be reported on line, with a turnround time of 48 hours, with workers employed to drive around looking for them as well, I think the problem is some councils like ours use their own staff and have highway departments in all the major areas, others use outsiders, which is always a cost cutting exercise , anyway hope the lady gets better soon must have been a terrible experience
Where's up here? Watford? Scotland.?
.
Aberdeenshire, which has an area of 2437 square miles compared with Essex which is 1338 sq miles, and without getting into politics is an SNP seat
[quote][p][bold]Maddogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Macduffian[/bold] wrote: Up here we have a system where potholes can be reported on line, with a turnround time of 48 hours, with workers employed to drive around looking for them as well, I think the problem is some councils like ours use their own staff and have highway departments in all the major areas, others use outsiders, which is always a cost cutting exercise , anyway hope the lady gets better soon must have been a terrible experience[/p][/quote]Where's up here? Watford? Scotland.? .[/p][/quote]Aberdeenshire, which has an area of 2437 square miles compared with Essex which is 1338 sq miles, and without getting into politics is an SNP seat The Macduffian
  • Score: 3

2:38pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The Macduffian says...

Can l also add, and if you check the council website you will see what l mean, vast areas of roads are repaired under a rolling programme from May to October, due to the damage done over the winter, this includes C roads which are basically tracks , different councils have different ideas
Can l also add, and if you check the council website you will see what l mean, vast areas of roads are repaired under a rolling programme from May to October, due to the damage done over the winter, this includes C roads which are basically tracks , different councils have different ideas The Macduffian
  • Score: 0

2:59pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Robin Reliant says...

ddf35 wrote:
Do we have any better information on the location of this pot hole? i drive along this road every day and would be interested to know if its the patched up bits on the kerbside of the lane heading from rochford towards the anne boyeln - i noticed there were two patches which were from when the road was dug up for gas works a month or two ago and they had started to sag in the middle. then monday or tuesday there were traffic cones on them to stop people driving on them, and then the next day it looked like something had been done to the patches, they were not now sagging, but not flat either, but now had a big lump in them - just as dangerous?!
if its where i saw a Truck with several workman on this morning just about to repair a small strip of raised road a few hundred yards from the pub(same side), could be the same spot, and its right in line with a cyclists wheel.
[quote][p][bold]ddf35[/bold] wrote: Do we have any better information on the location of this pot hole? i drive along this road every day and would be interested to know if its the patched up bits on the kerbside of the lane heading from rochford towards the anne boyeln - i noticed there were two patches which were from when the road was dug up for gas works a month or two ago and they had started to sag in the middle. then monday or tuesday there were traffic cones on them to stop people driving on them, and then the next day it looked like something had been done to the patches, they were not now sagging, but not flat either, but now had a big lump in them - just as dangerous?![/p][/quote]if its where i saw a Truck with several workman on this morning just about to repair a small strip of raised road a few hundred yards from the pub(same side), could be the same spot, and its right in line with a cyclists wheel. Robin Reliant
  • Score: 1

5:12pm Thu 3 Jul 14

andy:) says...

If individual councillors were held responsible for injuries or deaths they'd soon sort out the potholes, perhaps they should cahse (Lord) Hanningfield for the 50 grand he nicked, that would fix a few holes.
If individual councillors were held responsible for injuries or deaths they'd soon sort out the potholes, perhaps they should cahse (Lord) Hanningfield for the 50 grand he nicked, that would fix a few holes. andy:)
  • Score: 3

5:23pm Thu 3 Jul 14

John Bull 40 says...

The Macduffian wrote:
Maddogg wrote:
The Macduffian wrote:
Up here we have a system where potholes can be reported on line, with a turnround time of 48 hours, with workers employed to drive around looking for them as well, I think the problem is some councils like ours use their own staff and have highway departments in all the major areas, others use outsiders, which is always a cost cutting exercise , anyway hope the lady gets better soon must have been a terrible experience
Where's up here? Watford? Scotland.?
.
Aberdeenshire, which has an area of 2437 square miles compared with Essex which is 1338 sq miles, and without getting into politics is an SNP seat
How many cars use the roads in Aberdeenshire as opposed to Essex?
you will soon be independent and will see an improvement?
[quote][p][bold]The Macduffian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maddogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Macduffian[/bold] wrote: Up here we have a system where potholes can be reported on line, with a turnround time of 48 hours, with workers employed to drive around looking for them as well, I think the problem is some councils like ours use their own staff and have highway departments in all the major areas, others use outsiders, which is always a cost cutting exercise , anyway hope the lady gets better soon must have been a terrible experience[/p][/quote]Where's up here? Watford? Scotland.? .[/p][/quote]Aberdeenshire, which has an area of 2437 square miles compared with Essex which is 1338 sq miles, and without getting into politics is an SNP seat[/p][/quote]How many cars use the roads in Aberdeenshire as opposed to Essex? you will soon be independent and will see an improvement? John Bull 40
  • Score: 0

5:41pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Howard Cháse says...

andy:) wrote:
If individual councillors were held responsible for injuries or deaths they'd soon sort out the potholes, perhaps they should cahse (Lord) Hanningfield for the 50 grand he nicked, that would fix a few holes.
Send old Paul the pigfarmer out with a lorryload of ashphalt and the necessary tools and get him to fix enough potholes to pay off his fifty grand's worth of dodgy expenses.
[quote][p][bold]andy:)[/bold] wrote: If individual councillors were held responsible for injuries or deaths they'd soon sort out the potholes, perhaps they should cahse (Lord) Hanningfield for the 50 grand he nicked, that would fix a few holes.[/p][/quote]Send old Paul the pigfarmer out with a lorryload of ashphalt and the necessary tools and get him to fix enough potholes to pay off his fifty grand's worth of dodgy expenses. Howard Cháse
  • Score: 3

5:48pm Thu 3 Jul 14

John Right says...

Trouble is these days, a lot of cyclists ride as if they were in a race, now if they simply plodded along, then they would see a pothole, and steer around it. But they must pretend they are in the Tour De France..
Trouble is these days, a lot of cyclists ride as if they were in a race, now if they simply plodded along, then they would see a pothole, and steer around it. But they must pretend they are in the Tour De France.. John Right
  • Score: 5

6:13pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The Macduffian says...

John Bull 40 wrote:
The Macduffian wrote:
Maddogg wrote:
The Macduffian wrote:
Up here we have a system where potholes can be reported on line, with a turnround time of 48 hours, with workers employed to drive around looking for them as well, I think the problem is some councils like ours use their own staff and have highway departments in all the major areas, others use outsiders, which is always a cost cutting exercise , anyway hope the lady gets better soon must have been a terrible experience
Where's up here? Watford? Scotland.?
.
Aberdeenshire, which has an area of 2437 square miles compared with Essex which is 1338 sq miles, and without getting into politics is an SNP seat
How many cars use the roads in Aberdeenshire as opposed to Essex?
you will soon be independent and will see an improvement?
The number of cars using the road is irrelevant, the roads up here are damaged a lot more by the weather, water causing the surface to crack, the point l was trying to make is a 28 day turnround time is terrible, if one council can look after its users using 2 wheels, with can l add no street lights why cannot another, as Essex has a bigger population so receives more council tax why should your roads suffer
[quote][p][bold]John Bull 40[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Macduffian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maddogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Macduffian[/bold] wrote: Up here we have a system where potholes can be reported on line, with a turnround time of 48 hours, with workers employed to drive around looking for them as well, I think the problem is some councils like ours use their own staff and have highway departments in all the major areas, others use outsiders, which is always a cost cutting exercise , anyway hope the lady gets better soon must have been a terrible experience[/p][/quote]Where's up here? Watford? Scotland.? .[/p][/quote]Aberdeenshire, which has an area of 2437 square miles compared with Essex which is 1338 sq miles, and without getting into politics is an SNP seat[/p][/quote]How many cars use the roads in Aberdeenshire as opposed to Essex? you will soon be independent and will see an improvement?[/p][/quote]The number of cars using the road is irrelevant, the roads up here are damaged a lot more by the weather, water causing the surface to crack, the point l was trying to make is a 28 day turnround time is terrible, if one council can look after its users using 2 wheels, with can l add no street lights why cannot another, as Essex has a bigger population so receives more council tax why should your roads suffer The Macduffian
  • Score: 4

6:15pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The Macduffian says...

Now off for my deep fried Mars bar and a wee dram
Now off for my deep fried Mars bar and a wee dram The Macduffian
  • Score: 9

11:25pm Thu 3 Jul 14

mr_happy says...

I moved away from Southend two years ago. I returned at Christmas for a couple of weeks. I could not believe the bad state of the roads. They are disgusting and dangerous.
I moved away from Southend two years ago. I returned at Christmas for a couple of weeks. I could not believe the bad state of the roads. They are disgusting and dangerous. mr_happy
  • Score: 0

1:59am Fri 4 Jul 14

JamesGames says...

sesibollox wrote:
Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over...
This girl trains for triathlons and has all the professional gear. She has been cycling for so many years. So she knows to stay to the kerb. But the road there is terrible. This girl is such a good friend of mine. And the injuries she had sustained? She is very lucky to be alive. She is one of the most amazing people I know and this shouldn't have happened to her. If the issue was avoidable she would have done so.
[quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over...[/p][/quote]This girl trains for triathlons and has all the professional gear. She has been cycling for so many years. So she knows to stay to the kerb. But the road there is terrible. This girl is such a good friend of mine. And the injuries she had sustained? She is very lucky to be alive. She is one of the most amazing people I know and this shouldn't have happened to her. If the issue was avoidable she would have done so. JamesGames
  • Score: 6

9:13am Fri 4 Jul 14

Old Boy Rochford says...

JamesGames wrote:
sesibollox wrote:
Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over...
This girl trains for triathlons and has all the professional gear. She has been cycling for so many years. So she knows to stay to the kerb. But the road there is terrible. This girl is such a good friend of mine. And the injuries she had sustained? She is very lucky to be alive. She is one of the most amazing people I know and this shouldn't have happened to her. If the issue was avoidable she would have done so.
At the spot where this happened is narrow. Not enough room to allow a car coming from Southend, a cyclist and a car. As we don't know of all the circumstances yet. We presume that the driver did not allow enough room to pass her. The young lady concerned, yes has so many broken bones it's unbelievable . I wish her a speedy recovery.
[quote][p][bold]JamesGames[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over...[/p][/quote]This girl trains for triathlons and has all the professional gear. She has been cycling for so many years. So she knows to stay to the kerb. But the road there is terrible. This girl is such a good friend of mine. And the injuries she had sustained? She is very lucky to be alive. She is one of the most amazing people I know and this shouldn't have happened to her. If the issue was avoidable she would have done so.[/p][/quote]At the spot where this happened is narrow. Not enough room to allow a car coming from Southend, a cyclist and a car. As we don't know of all the circumstances yet. We presume that the driver did not allow enough room to pass her. The young lady concerned, yes has so many broken bones it's unbelievable . I wish her a speedy recovery. Old Boy Rochford
  • Score: -9

9:26am Fri 4 Jul 14

ddf35 says...

Democrat wrote:
This young lady is seriously injured because our council don't take their responsibilities seriously enough. I hope she makes a full recovery with no long term effects.

Why do local government 'officers' always hide behind arbitrary 28 day deadlines? In an efficient and cost-effective organisation these false limits are unnecessary. In my experience if you give someone 28 days it implies no urgency. Someone has to visit the reported pothole sometime so why not the day after the report?

A two-man team with an equipped lorry could fill potholes all day long. The excuse will be that they need to find out which utility company's contractors bodged the job in the first place. No, fill the pothole then invoice the firm for parts and labour. The pothole team could pay for itself.

The various councils owe us the public a duty of care so they had better get on with it.
I agree - give a pot holing filling van team the same routes the recycling lorries take and they can cover the whole area in a week. At least all owned roads will be covered and if there is a bad pot hole , a more substantial team can address it.

I put a claim in to ECC because i got a flat tyre from a hideous pothole, but after 2 months the answer was no "we wont give you £20 for the part worn tyre you had to buy because we looked at it 1 month before and it was fine then, so **** off"

yet a couple of weeks later they resurfaced the entire stretch of road...
[quote][p][bold]Democrat[/bold] wrote: This young lady is seriously injured because our council don't take their responsibilities seriously enough. I hope she makes a full recovery with no long term effects. Why do local government 'officers' always hide behind arbitrary 28 day deadlines? In an efficient and cost-effective organisation these false limits are unnecessary. In my experience if you give someone 28 days it implies no urgency. Someone has to visit the reported pothole sometime so why not the day after the report? A two-man team with an equipped lorry could fill potholes all day long. The excuse will be that they need to find out which utility company's contractors bodged the job in the first place. No, fill the pothole then invoice the firm for parts and labour. The pothole team could pay for itself. The various councils owe us the public a duty of care so they had better get on with it.[/p][/quote]I agree - give a pot holing filling van team the same routes the recycling lorries take and they can cover the whole area in a week. At least all owned roads will be covered and if there is a bad pot hole , a more substantial team can address it. I put a claim in to ECC because i got a flat tyre from a hideous pothole, but after 2 months the answer was no "we wont give you £20 for the part worn tyre you had to buy because we looked at it 1 month before and it was fine then, so **** off" yet a couple of weeks later they resurfaced the entire stretch of road... ddf35
  • Score: 0

11:29am Fri 4 Jul 14

Howard Cháse says...

ddf35 wrote:
Democrat wrote:
This young lady is seriously injured because our council don't take their responsibilities seriously enough. I hope she makes a full recovery with no long term effects.

Why do local government 'officers' always hide behind arbitrary 28 day deadlines? In an efficient and cost-effective organisation these false limits are unnecessary. In my experience if you give someone 28 days it implies no urgency. Someone has to visit the reported pothole sometime so why not the day after the report?

A two-man team with an equipped lorry could fill potholes all day long. The excuse will be that they need to find out which utility company's contractors bodged the job in the first place. No, fill the pothole then invoice the firm for parts and labour. The pothole team could pay for itself.

The various councils owe us the public a duty of care so they had better get on with it.
I agree - give a pot holing filling van team the same routes the recycling lorries take and they can cover the whole area in a week. At least all owned roads will be covered and if there is a bad pot hole , a more substantial team can address it.

I put a claim in to ECC because i got a flat tyre from a hideous pothole, but after 2 months the answer was no "we wont give you £20 for the part worn tyre you had to buy because we looked at it 1 month before and it was fine then, so **** off"

yet a couple of weeks later they resurfaced the entire stretch of road...
Send the 'spy car' round all the roads with it's cameras turned to the road surface and take footage of all the roads I order to evaluate them for prioritisation for resurfacing.

Then get on with it sharpish before the next bout of winter weather comes along and makes all existing potholes worse.
[quote][p][bold]ddf35[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Democrat[/bold] wrote: This young lady is seriously injured because our council don't take their responsibilities seriously enough. I hope she makes a full recovery with no long term effects. Why do local government 'officers' always hide behind arbitrary 28 day deadlines? In an efficient and cost-effective organisation these false limits are unnecessary. In my experience if you give someone 28 days it implies no urgency. Someone has to visit the reported pothole sometime so why not the day after the report? A two-man team with an equipped lorry could fill potholes all day long. The excuse will be that they need to find out which utility company's contractors bodged the job in the first place. No, fill the pothole then invoice the firm for parts and labour. The pothole team could pay for itself. The various councils owe us the public a duty of care so they had better get on with it.[/p][/quote]I agree - give a pot holing filling van team the same routes the recycling lorries take and they can cover the whole area in a week. At least all owned roads will be covered and if there is a bad pot hole , a more substantial team can address it. I put a claim in to ECC because i got a flat tyre from a hideous pothole, but after 2 months the answer was no "we wont give you £20 for the part worn tyre you had to buy because we looked at it 1 month before and it was fine then, so **** off" yet a couple of weeks later they resurfaced the entire stretch of road...[/p][/quote]Send the 'spy car' round all the roads with it's cameras turned to the road surface and take footage of all the roads I order to evaluate them for prioritisation for resurfacing. Then get on with it sharpish before the next bout of winter weather comes along and makes all existing potholes worse. Howard Cháse
  • Score: 2

11:29am Fri 4 Jul 14

Old Boy Rochford says...

I cannot understand why there are so many thumbs down to these comments.
I cannot understand why there are so many thumbs down to these comments. Old Boy Rochford
  • Score: 1

4:44pm Fri 4 Jul 14

andy:) says...

People should be suing/starting court action against ECC for injuries/damage, the limit for small claims is now £15,000 and its quite an easy process, especially if you use the MCOL online facilty, there generally are no 'costs' awarded so you wouldnt get stuck with huge costs even if you lose.
People should be suing/starting court action against ECC for injuries/damage, the limit for small claims is now £15,000 and its quite an easy process, especially if you use the MCOL online facilty, there generally are no 'costs' awarded so you wouldnt get stuck with huge costs even if you lose. andy:)
  • Score: 0

4:47pm Fri 4 Jul 14

andy:) says...

John Right wrote:
Trouble is these days, a lot of cyclists ride as if they were in a race, now if they simply plodded along, then they would see a pothole, and steer around it. But they must pretend they are in the Tour De France..
Sow what speed should cyclists been riding at ?. People dont ride as if in a race, they simply want to get from A to B efficiently, you seem to be implying that this poor girl was at fault ?

Sudden verving to avoid a pothole can also be dangerous as the car behind may hit you, maybe you should try cycling on the road some time and educate youself instead of making dumb comments.
[quote][p][bold]John Right[/bold] wrote: Trouble is these days, a lot of cyclists ride as if they were in a race, now if they simply plodded along, then they would see a pothole, and steer around it. But they must pretend they are in the Tour De France..[/p][/quote]Sow what speed should cyclists been riding at ?. People dont ride as if in a race, they simply want to get from A to B efficiently, you seem to be implying that this poor girl was at fault ? Sudden verving to avoid a pothole can also be dangerous as the car behind may hit you, maybe you should try cycling on the road some time and educate youself instead of making dumb comments. andy:)
  • Score: 7

5:10pm Fri 4 Jul 14

John Right says...

andy:) wrote:
John Right wrote:
Trouble is these days, a lot of cyclists ride as if they were in a race, now if they simply plodded along, then they would see a pothole, and steer around it. But they must pretend they are in the Tour De France..
Sow what speed should cyclists been riding at ?. People dont ride as if in a race, they simply want to get from A to B efficiently, you seem to be implying that this poor girl was at fault ?

Sudden verving to avoid a pothole can also be dangerous as the car behind may hit you, maybe you should try cycling on the road some time and educate youself instead of making dumb comments.
Sow ???? it's So learn basic spelling, before you attempt to reply to my comments, moron.
[quote][p][bold]andy:)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Right[/bold] wrote: Trouble is these days, a lot of cyclists ride as if they were in a race, now if they simply plodded along, then they would see a pothole, and steer around it. But they must pretend they are in the Tour De France..[/p][/quote]Sow what speed should cyclists been riding at ?. People dont ride as if in a race, they simply want to get from A to B efficiently, you seem to be implying that this poor girl was at fault ? Sudden verving to avoid a pothole can also be dangerous as the car behind may hit you, maybe you should try cycling on the road some time and educate youself instead of making dumb comments.[/p][/quote]Sow ???? it's So learn basic spelling, before you attempt to reply to my comments, moron. John Right
  • Score: -5

5:52pm Fri 4 Jul 14

CHRISTMAS CAROL says...

Rochford council are crap when it comes to potholes, especially in Southend Road. We have had new springs put in our car twice as a result of apathy from the council and these serious injuries could cost the council much more in compensation. GET IT SORTED BEFORE APATHY BECOMES SLEEP. Wish the lady well.
Rochford council are crap when it comes to potholes, especially in Southend Road. We have had new springs put in our car twice as a result of apathy from the council and these serious injuries could cost the council much more in compensation. GET IT SORTED BEFORE APATHY BECOMES SLEEP. Wish the lady well. CHRISTMAS CAROL
  • Score: 2

5:54pm Fri 4 Jul 14

CHRISTMAS CAROL says...

ddf35 wrote:
sesibollox wrote:
Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over...
that's not really going to work in all cases - there have been a lot of potholes at the edge of the road, and particularly developing around drain covers - so it's not really a much safer place to be.
I have had a pothole around a drain cover for 2 years , reported it twice ignored twice
[quote][p][bold]ddf35[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over...[/p][/quote]that's not really going to work in all cases - there have been a lot of potholes at the edge of the road, and particularly developing around drain covers - so it's not really a much safer place to be.[/p][/quote]I have had a pothole around a drain cover for 2 years , reported it twice ignored twice CHRISTMAS CAROL
  • Score: 0

6:57pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Old Boy Rochford says...

Friday 4th 1835hrs. Just came by the pothole if fact they have repaired 2. They are just packing up so the road will be open soon.
As I said before if you see a pothole report it. Don't bank on either Rochford council or even Essex county council reporting them.
Go on the ECC web site highways it takes about 3 mins to do.
Friday 4th 1835hrs. Just came by the pothole if fact they have repaired 2. They are just packing up so the road will be open soon. As I said before if you see a pothole report it. Don't bank on either Rochford council or even Essex county council reporting them. Go on the ECC web site highways it takes about 3 mins to do. Old Boy Rochford
  • Score: 0

2:27pm Sat 5 Jul 14

essex_al says...

The Macduffian wrote:
Maddogg wrote:
The Macduffian wrote:
Up here we have a system where potholes can be reported on line, with a turnround time of 48 hours, with workers employed to drive around looking for them as well, I think the problem is some councils like ours use their own staff and have highway departments in all the major areas, others use outsiders, which is always a cost cutting exercise , anyway hope the lady gets better soon must have been a terrible experience
Where's up here? Watford? Scotland.?
.
Aberdeenshire, which has an area of 2437 square miles compared with Essex which is 1338 sq miles, and without getting into politics is an SNP seat
The reason things get done more quickly in Scotland is because their government is so heavily subsidised by the English taxpayers.

Roll on September 18th. Let's see how things go when you have to finance yourselves!!!
[quote][p][bold]The Macduffian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maddogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Macduffian[/bold] wrote: Up here we have a system where potholes can be reported on line, with a turnround time of 48 hours, with workers employed to drive around looking for them as well, I think the problem is some councils like ours use their own staff and have highway departments in all the major areas, others use outsiders, which is always a cost cutting exercise , anyway hope the lady gets better soon must have been a terrible experience[/p][/quote]Where's up here? Watford? Scotland.? .[/p][/quote]Aberdeenshire, which has an area of 2437 square miles compared with Essex which is 1338 sq miles, and without getting into politics is an SNP seat[/p][/quote]The reason things get done more quickly in Scotland is because their government is so heavily subsidised by the English taxpayers. Roll on September 18th. Let's see how things go when you have to finance yourselves!!! essex_al
  • Score: 3

2:41pm Sat 5 Jul 14

white5093 says...

I commute by bike between Great Baddow and Thorpe Bay. The section of road from the nursing home in Ashingdon to the Anne Boleyn pub is a cyclist's nightmare. As well as potholes, the ironwork, and uneven road surface surrounding it, are a constant problem. In this built up area, I would argue the road is too narrow for motorists to pass a cyclist safely if other vehicles are coming in the opposite direction. And yet that is what a significant number of motorists do. During rush hour, I can keep up with traffic by taking the centre of the lane which avoids the dangers lurking at the side of the road. I have had a hostile reaction several times when I do this. The point is, many factors contribute to unnecessarily heightened risk. The road is awful - there's no denying that. But all road users can bear this in mind in the way they use the road. Btw I drive to work this way too. All categories of road users have an equal and legal right to use roads; don't turn this into a motorist vs. cyclist war as both make good and bad decisions. Thoughts and prayers are with the young lady and her family for her recovery.
I commute by bike between Great Baddow and Thorpe Bay. The section of road from the nursing home in Ashingdon to the Anne Boleyn pub is a cyclist's nightmare. As well as potholes, the ironwork, and uneven road surface surrounding it, are a constant problem. In this built up area, I would argue the road is too narrow for motorists to pass a cyclist safely if other vehicles are coming in the opposite direction. And yet that is what a significant number of motorists do. During rush hour, I can keep up with traffic by taking the centre of the lane which avoids the dangers lurking at the side of the road. I have had a hostile reaction several times when I do this. The point is, many factors contribute to unnecessarily heightened risk. The road is awful - there's no denying that. But all road users can bear this in mind in the way they use the road. Btw I drive to work this way too. All categories of road users have an equal and legal right to use roads; don't turn this into a motorist vs. cyclist war as both make good and bad decisions. Thoughts and prayers are with the young lady and her family for her recovery. white5093
  • Score: 5

4:53pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Robin Reliant says...

JamesGames wrote:
sesibollox wrote:
Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over...
This girl trains for triathlons and has all the professional gear. She has been cycling for so many years. So she knows to stay to the kerb. But the road there is terrible. This girl is such a good friend of mine. And the injuries she had sustained? She is very lucky to be alive. She is one of the most amazing people I know and this shouldn't have happened to her. If the issue was avoidable she would have done so.
Cyclists sometimes cannot swerve out further into the road as that can be a dangerous manoeuvre, that is a tight bit of road too, how ever i will be a few feet from the kerb to start with so i have a bit more room.
[quote][p][bold]JamesGames[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over...[/p][/quote]This girl trains for triathlons and has all the professional gear. She has been cycling for so many years. So she knows to stay to the kerb. But the road there is terrible. This girl is such a good friend of mine. And the injuries she had sustained? She is very lucky to be alive. She is one of the most amazing people I know and this shouldn't have happened to her. If the issue was avoidable she would have done so.[/p][/quote]Cyclists sometimes cannot swerve out further into the road as that can be a dangerous manoeuvre, that is a tight bit of road too, how ever i will be a few feet from the kerb to start with so i have a bit more room. Robin Reliant
  • Score: 0

8:31pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Nebs says...

Robin Reliant wrote:
JamesGames wrote:
sesibollox wrote:
Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over...
This girl trains for triathlons and has all the professional gear. She has been cycling for so many years. So she knows to stay to the kerb. But the road there is terrible. This girl is such a good friend of mine. And the injuries she had sustained? She is very lucky to be alive. She is one of the most amazing people I know and this shouldn't have happened to her. If the issue was avoidable she would have done so.
Cyclists sometimes cannot swerve out further into the road as that can be a dangerous manoeuvre, that is a tight bit of road too, how ever i will be a few feet from the kerb to start with so i have a bit more room.
No need to swerve, just cycle at a speed where you can slow down or stop if you see a pothole, then check behind you and move out when it is safe to do so.
[quote][p][bold]Robin Reliant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesGames[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over...[/p][/quote]This girl trains for triathlons and has all the professional gear. She has been cycling for so many years. So she knows to stay to the kerb. But the road there is terrible. This girl is such a good friend of mine. And the injuries she had sustained? She is very lucky to be alive. She is one of the most amazing people I know and this shouldn't have happened to her. If the issue was avoidable she would have done so.[/p][/quote]Cyclists sometimes cannot swerve out further into the road as that can be a dangerous manoeuvre, that is a tight bit of road too, how ever i will be a few feet from the kerb to start with so i have a bit more room.[/p][/quote]No need to swerve, just cycle at a speed where you can slow down or stop if you see a pothole, then check behind you and move out when it is safe to do so. Nebs
  • Score: 5

11:22pm Sat 5 Jul 14

_Lotus_ says...

Nebs wrote:
Robin Reliant wrote:
JamesGames wrote:
sesibollox wrote:
Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over...
This girl trains for triathlons and has all the professional gear. She has been cycling for so many years. So she knows to stay to the kerb. But the road there is terrible. This girl is such a good friend of mine. And the injuries she had sustained? She is very lucky to be alive. She is one of the most amazing people I know and this shouldn't have happened to her. If the issue was avoidable she would have done so.
Cyclists sometimes cannot swerve out further into the road as that can be a dangerous manoeuvre, that is a tight bit of road too, how ever i will be a few feet from the kerb to start with so i have a bit more room.
No need to swerve, just cycle at a speed where you can slow down or stop if you see a pothole, then check behind you and move out when it is safe to do so.
No that simple if it is in the dark and you can't see it until you are on top of it.

However, rest assured, if a cyclist does see a pothole in the way you describe, I am sure they would do exactly as you advise.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin Reliant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesGames[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: Always cycle near the kerb, less chance of hitting a pothole. Use chunky tyres, softens the blow as a pothole is ridden over...[/p][/quote]This girl trains for triathlons and has all the professional gear. She has been cycling for so many years. So she knows to stay to the kerb. But the road there is terrible. This girl is such a good friend of mine. And the injuries she had sustained? She is very lucky to be alive. She is one of the most amazing people I know and this shouldn't have happened to her. If the issue was avoidable she would have done so.[/p][/quote]Cyclists sometimes cannot swerve out further into the road as that can be a dangerous manoeuvre, that is a tight bit of road too, how ever i will be a few feet from the kerb to start with so i have a bit more room.[/p][/quote]No need to swerve, just cycle at a speed where you can slow down or stop if you see a pothole, then check behind you and move out when it is safe to do so.[/p][/quote]No that simple if it is in the dark and you can't see it until you are on top of it. However, rest assured, if a cyclist does see a pothole in the way you describe, I am sure they would do exactly as you advise. _Lotus_
  • Score: 0

6:09pm Sun 6 Jul 14

bazza 1 says...

Old Boy Rochford wrote:
I cannot understand why there are so many thumbs down to these comments.
Idiots and Trolls mate. The World is full of them, unfortunately.
[quote][p][bold]Old Boy Rochford[/bold] wrote: I cannot understand why there are so many thumbs down to these comments.[/p][/quote]Idiots and Trolls mate. The World is full of them, unfortunately. bazza 1
  • Score: 0

2:34pm Mon 7 Jul 14

andy:) says...

John Right wrote:
andy:) wrote:
John Right wrote: Trouble is these days, a lot of cyclists ride as if they were in a race, now if they simply plodded along, then they would see a pothole, and steer around it. But they must pretend they are in the Tour De France..
Sow what speed should cyclists been riding at ?. People dont ride as if in a race, they simply want to get from A to B efficiently, you seem to be implying that this poor girl was at fault ? Sudden verving to avoid a pothole can also be dangerous as the car behind may hit you, maybe you should try cycling on the road some time and educate youself instead of making dumb comments.
Sow ???? it's So learn basic spelling, before you attempt to reply to my comments, moron.
Idiot. I can spell thank you. When typing lots of people sometimes make typos and this site doesnt have any edit features unlike most forums. But I guess you type everything perfect first time being the wonderful human being that you are.

You are the one implying that the poor injured girl is somewhat at fault, not me, let hope a member of your family is never involved in a road accident.
[quote][p][bold]John Right[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andy:)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Right[/bold] wrote: Trouble is these days, a lot of cyclists ride as if they were in a race, now if they simply plodded along, then they would see a pothole, and steer around it. But they must pretend they are in the Tour De France..[/p][/quote]Sow what speed should cyclists been riding at ?. People dont ride as if in a race, they simply want to get from A to B efficiently, you seem to be implying that this poor girl was at fault ? Sudden verving to avoid a pothole can also be dangerous as the car behind may hit you, maybe you should try cycling on the road some time and educate youself instead of making dumb comments.[/p][/quote]Sow ???? it's So learn basic spelling, before you attempt to reply to my comments, moron.[/p][/quote]Idiot. I can spell thank you. When typing lots of people sometimes make typos and this site doesnt have any edit features unlike most forums. But I guess you type everything perfect first time being the wonderful human being that you are. You are the one implying that the poor injured girl is somewhat at fault, not me, let hope a member of your family is never involved in a road accident. andy:)
  • Score: -3

2:15pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Last Poster says...

There is a lot of blame being tossed around here but two points.
Firstly, the poor girl was thrown off her bike, we do not know how far from her riding position so it would be totally unfair to blame the motorist. I always give cyclists at least half of my lane, indicator on and a wide pull out taking half the other lane. If you can't do that you don't overtake.

One thing is clear though, the Council seem to have made their own rules regarding responsibility. It is now more than three years since I reported the missing "Keep right" sign at the East end of the Gore "Traffic Calming" where the width restriction jut out into the road. This is marked now by two turns of white tape on the 50mm x 50cm scaffold pipe that the solar-powered sign was mounted on. If a cyclist falls on that it will be surely be fatal, and of course all the lights go out in that street at midnight. Plus, at the junction a few yards further down are the failed keep left signs, the Give way sign facing away from the road and not illuminated and the adjacent street light failed. These have now been out for two years and nobody seems capable of repairing them.

Could Corporate responsibility not be levelled at our Councils? It seems they have been told not to bother with anything!
There is a lot of blame being tossed around here but two points. Firstly, the poor girl was thrown off her bike, we do not know how far from her riding position so it would be totally unfair to blame the motorist. I always give cyclists at least half of my lane, indicator on and a wide pull out taking half the other lane. If you can't do that you don't overtake. One thing is clear though, the Council seem to have made their own rules regarding responsibility. It is now more than three years since I reported the missing "Keep right" sign at the East end of the Gore "Traffic Calming" where the width restriction jut out into the road. This is marked now by two turns of white tape on the 50mm x 50cm scaffold pipe that the solar-powered sign was mounted on. If a cyclist falls on that it will be surely be fatal, and of course all the lights go out in that street at midnight. Plus, at the junction a few yards further down are the failed keep left signs, the Give way sign facing away from the road and not illuminated and the adjacent street light failed. These have now been out for two years and nobody seems capable of repairing them. Could Corporate responsibility not be levelled at our Councils? It seems they have been told not to bother with anything! Last Poster
  • Score: 1

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