£1.5bn superport creates another 1,000 jobs in Essex (From Echo)

Sounds like fantastic news, hope the rumours about other areas of the Thames, are not affected like some say.
Such as shore erosion and marinas silting up, cockle beds affected etc.
It will make way for the super container ships, queuing up like an armada

Shame the road network will be unable to cope with all the container lorries. Other than that, seems like all good news.

carnacation wrote:
Sounds like fantastic news, hope the rumours about other areas of the Thames, are not affected like some say. Such as shore erosion and marinas silting up, cockle beds affected etc. It will make way for the super container ships, queuing up like an armada

I agree, great news for the area - hopefully TIlbury docks will still be operational as it may take a chunk of existing carrier's cargo / routing.
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In saying that, if Tilbury Docks do close as a result of Coryton (and Felixstowe's expansion) it will leave Tilbury as a developers' dream

Nebs wrote:
Shame the road network will be unable to cope with all the container lorries. Other than that, seems like all good news.

Incorrect, the road and rail networks local to the site are being expanded - doubt the A13 will be though.
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It will have its own dedicated rail terminal - as you could not have a super port without one.

Good news all round. With the exception of Tobacco / Drug smuggling into the U.K. of which I know goes on in buckets loads through Tilbury.

Nebs: Totally agree - absolute grid-lock anywhere near the crossing on a constant basis - unless they improve the A13/M25 and add another Dartford crossing

another bloke wrote:
Good news all round. With the exception of Tobacco / Drug smuggling into the U.K. of which I know goes on in buckets loads through Tilbury.

Trust you have reported this to the Police ?

jobs for local people or foreign imports?

perini wrote:
Nebs: Totally agree - absolute grid-lock anywhere near the crossing on a constant basis - unless they improve the A13/M25 and add another Dartford crossing

Not really, as some of the trade lanes exist out of Thamesport and Southampton already – so total number of lorries using the road systems will not increase that much, until the shipping industry picks up.

MrFrogFace wrote:
jobs for local people or foreign imports?

what's the difference ?

al coniston wrote:

MrFrogFace wrote: jobs for local people or foreign imports?

what's the difference ?

LOL!!

Where does it say container port? It could be oil and/or drybulk cargoes. Any more details echo?

'It will help Britain maintain its competitiveness, drive, productivity, and, crucially, strengthen our links with Asia and beyond'

well the link between us and Asia will be a one way affair . . . stuffed to the brim containers coming in and empty ones heading out

richomack360 wrote:

perini wrote: Nebs: Totally agree - absolute grid-lock anywhere near the crossing on a constant basis - unless they improve the A13/M25 and add another Dartford crossing

Not really, as some of the trade lanes exist out of Thamesport and Southampton already – so total number of lorries using the road systems will not increase that much, until the shipping industry picks up.

I was under the impression that the size of ships using the port and the increased container capacity would mean a truck leaving every 2 mins or similar. As you say some routes are already in place but they will be run at a much higher capacity.

When the vast size container ships arrive at this new facity they will drawf existing ships current handled by Tilbury. The sheer volume of cargo and tonnage hitting the road at rush hour will see the queue for the M25/A13 slip road start at the dock gate.

Support the port development 100 percent but unless all cargo was moved compulsorily by rail we will never have the investment in road capacity at critical road junctions to avoid misery for anyone London bound on the A13 or toward the Dartford crossing. We know it, they know it, but everyone is in denial.

Cant we move the Dale farm lot over to Tilbury. Plenty of work for them and Tilbury being Tibury they'll be amongst their own.

Greatscot1777 wrote:
When the vast size container ships arrive at this new facity they will drawf existing ships current handled by Tilbury. The sheer volume of cargo and tonnage hitting the road at rush hour will see the queue for the M25/A13 slip road start at the dock gate.

Support the port development 100 percent but unless all cargo was moved compulsorily by rail we will never have the investment in road capacity at critical road junctions to avoid misery for anyone London bound on the A13 or toward the Dartford crossing. We know it, they know it, but everyone is in denial.

You are right, the road structure will certainly suffer, leading to many more HGV's on the roads. Hope they can cope.

1,000 jobs. A mere bagatelle. The Dartford River Crossing creates over 1,500 jobs, and that is in addition to all those jobs related to the bridge itself. 150,000 vehicles a day, each vehicle delayed by 5 minutes, that makes 750,000 minutes a day, or 12,500 hours a day, or 1,562 8 hour working days. While people are waiting to pay the toll they are not working, so someone else has to do their job. An extra 1,562 people are needed to cover the lost production every day in UK PLC due to the delays at the Dartford River Crossing.

Where will these jobs be advertised?

From the BBC;
The owners of the London Gateway port say the project is due to open in the last three months of 2013.

DP World says the site will initially be able to handle 1.6 million standard shipping containers a year. Over time, the Dubai-headquartered group plans to raise capacity to 3.5m containers.

Construction work began near Thurrock, Essex, in January 2010 on the site of a former Shell oil refinery.

When complete, it will be the largest deep-sea port in the UK.

DP World says the Thames Estuary development has already created 600 jobs and it plans to increase that number by a further 1,000 over the coming months. Seven hundred of the new posts will be in construction, while the other 300 are described as port jobs.

The firm estimates that eventually, the port and a neighbouring logistics centre will help create 32,000 jobs, adding £3.2bn to the UK economy each year.

'Environmentally friendly'
The company says the project is also good for the environment. It says that by allowing the world's largest cargo ships to unload their goods next to a major distribution centre, 65 million road freight miles can be saved every year.

DP World's chief executive, Mohammed Sharaf, said: "London Gateway is a giant leap forward for the UK's supply chains and will benefit our customers tremendously through more efficient transportation of goods."

Business Secretary Vince Cable also welcomed the news, saying: "It will help Britain maintain its competitiveness, drive productivity, and crucially strengthen our links with Asia and beyond."

richomack360 wrote:

carnacation wrote:
Sounds like fantastic news, hope the rumours about other areas of the Thames, are not affected like some say. Such as shore erosion and marinas silting up, cockle beds affected etc. It will make way for the super container ships, queuing up like an armada

I agree, great news for the area - hopefully TIlbury docks will still be operational as it may take a chunk of existing carrier's cargo / routing.
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In saying that, if Tilbury Docks do close as a result of Coryton (and Felixstowe's expansion) it will leave Tilbury as a developers' dream

looking at this super ports ability to have so many huge container ships, docking at the same time, it looks as if Tilbury;s time will be short lived, once operations at Shell Haven are up and running.

Alekhine wrote:
Where does it say container port? It could be oil and/or drybulk cargoes. Any more details echo?

have a look at the BBC news sites to determine the masses of containers planned for the new port, four million cubic metres of dredging has already been achieved, the bow waves created by these huge container ships, might allow canvey to become a popular surfing resort...

perini wrote:

richomack360 wrote:

perini wrote: Nebs: Totally agree - absolute grid-lock anywhere near the crossing on a constant basis - unless they improve the A13/M25 and add another Dartford crossing

Not really, as some of the trade lanes exist out of Thamesport and Southampton already – so total number of lorries using the road systems will not increase that much, until the shipping industry picks up.

I was under the impression that the size of ships using the port and the increased container capacity would mean a truck leaving every 2 mins or similar. As you say some routes are already in place but they will be run at a much higher capacity.

Well only Maersk and CMA (or is it MSC) own, or will be purchasing the 10,000 teu "mega" ships - like the Maersk Emma, furthermore Maersk currently has its home hub in Felixstowe and a very much unlikely to move their operations to another port.
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This doesn't mean that the port will be quiet as I believe it will sap a lot of the trades from Tilbury and Southampton.
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Carnac - more than likely yes - Tilbury's port is very small and cannot be expanded - however, the closing of Tilbury Port (if it does happen) can be a good thing for the area as the whole quay /wharf front could be redeveloped and bring much needed cash to the run down areas of Tilbury.
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I for one am looking forward to the new port - hopefully priority, for jobs, are given to those who have been made redundant / local area workers or transferees from the dock crews at Tilbury.

pussycatpurrs wrote:
Where will these jobs be advertised?

Eastern Europe

Ian P wrote:

pussycatpurrs wrote:
Where will these jobs be advertised?

Eastern Europe

Dale Farm notice board.