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A SUPERMARKET has rid its shelves of six brands of alcopops and is introducing a strict new ID policy in a bid to stamp out the scourge of binge drinking among teenagers.
Asda at the Eastgate Centre in Basildon is one of the first Asda stores in the UK to stop selling several alcopops which are favoured by under-age drinkers.
The store is also bringing in a policy where, from April 7, anyone looking under 25 will be asked to provide ID when attempting to buy booze.
New store manager Michael Haynes said: "We've removed the lines of alcopops which underage drinkers try to buy the most in the hope it will make a difference.
"In addition we are going to be very strict about the new ID policy. Anyone even looking under 25 will have to produce their passport or photo drivers licence or they won't be able to purchase alcohol.
"We will also be working with local police officers to actively prosecute anyone attempting to illegally buy alcoholic drinks in the store."
All Asda branches in the country will be following the Eastgate store over the coming weeks by introducing similar policies.
7:47am Monday 24th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: evil, essex on 9:13am Mon 24 Mar 08
Removing particular drinks will not work it is 'deperate measures' by supermarkets being seen to do something!!
We all know that Cocaine cannot be seen on supermarket shelves but it is easy for the young to gethold of AND hiding it has not stopped its use, in fact the old expression about 'hidden fruit' etc might be true.
Since the 60's drink/drugs unfortunatly have become a leisure activity in some circles, we have had EVERY type of action being taken to prevent there over use and nothing has worked in reality SO WHAT CHANCE have we got with alcohol? especially when all they will do is buy either cider or move up to whisky etc.
I like all the so called experts in reality have no serious idea on how to reduce this problem!!!!
Do we just give up?
Removing particular drinks will not work it is 'deperate measures' by supermarkets being seen to do something!!
We all know that Cocaine cannot be seen on supermarket shelves but it is easy for the young to gethold of AND hiding it has not stopped its use, in fact the old expression about 'hidden fruit' etc might be true.
Since the 60's drink/drugs unfortunatly have become a leisure activity in some circles, we have had EVERY type of action being taken to prevent there over use and nothing has worked in reality SO WHAT CHANCE have we got with alcohol? especially when all they will do is buy either cider or move up to whisky etc.
I like all the so called experts in reality have no serious idea on how to reduce this problem!!!!
Do we just give up?
Posted by: Helen, Basildon on 10:06am Mon 24 Mar 08
Enforce more responsible parenting and accountability as well as issue fines for both children and parents to be penalised for breaking the law of the land.
If this fails then parents and children alike will have to pay for ignoring and failing to take action to abide by the law. This could involve having to attend parenting classes each weekend for a specified period of time and a sessional theme of healthy working relationships involving parental imput to demonstrate they really take the matter of being a parent seriously enough to educate their children about the dangers of drinking and its effects.
Some parents just doll out the money to get their kids out of their hair instead of being proper parents and showing interest in what they are doing and whom they are seeing.
Better still ban all alcohol sales!
Enforce more responsible parenting and accountability as well as issue fines for both children and parents to be penalised for breaking the law of the land.
If this fails then parents and children alike will have to pay for ignoring and failing to take action to abide by the law. This could involve having to attend parenting classes each weekend for a specified period of time and a sessional theme of healthy working relationships involving parental imput to demonstrate they really take the matter of being a parent seriously enough to educate their children about the dangers of drinking and its effects.
Some parents just doll out the money to get their kids out of their hair instead of being proper parents and showing interest in what they are doing and whom they are seeing.
Better still ban all alcohol sales!
Posted by: evilc, essex on 10:51am Mon 24 Mar 08
Helen I agree with every single word BUT
In this Country (I did not use the word world) We have Criminal Families and Parents that do not get out of bed other than to cheat and steal.
I use the term this country because in Countries where they receive No Benefits the families seem to have respect even tho they have nothing.
Perhaps the answer is get rid of our 'Benefits Culture'
PC created irresponsible families!
Helen I agree with every single word BUT
In this Country (I did not use the word world) We have Criminal Families and Parents that do not get out of bed other than to cheat and steal.
I use the term this country because in Countries where they receive No Benefits the families seem to have respect even tho they have nothing.
Perhaps the answer is get rid of our 'Benefits Culture'
PC created irresponsible families!
Posted by: Bozo, Westcliff on 11:26am Mon 24 Mar 08
LMFAO...There is always someone who will buy it for them, probably their parents.....
LMFAO...There is always someone who will buy it for them, probably their parents.....
Posted by: beth, hawkwell on 11:45am Mon 24 Mar 08
Posted by: evilc, essex on Today
Perhaps the answer is get rid of our 'Benefits Culture'
PC created irresponsible families!
Whilst i agree wholeheartedly, i dont feel we can totally get rid of benefits, but what i think would be a great idea is to make the lazy bar stewards work for their dole money doing things in the community such as clearing out ditches, cleaning up graffiti and other such tasks the councils dont seem to find time for. I am sure if we all look around our communities we can see loads of things that the lazy "hold my hand out" brigade can do to "earn" thier right to money.
"oh my god" i can hear the pc brigade screech, "what happens to their human rights"
the lazy bar stewards wont want to work for their dole moneybecause they will then say we can earn more doing a proper job. Got an answer for you screech there to, if you can get a "proper job" get one.
I have worked since the day i left school, doing anything i can. I may not have the best qualifications in the world, but i have lots of experience, and i can honestly say that everything i own, is brought and paid for by my own hard work.
It makes me so mad and angry to see a constant stream of benefit scroungers constantly coming out and appearing to claim more than i and my husband earn, and still whinge and whine. I know someone who has never worked, had a baby when she just left school, her daughter is now following in her footsteps because she knows no different.
Go away pc brigade, look what you have helped sow and create with all your namby pambying and constant screeching of human rights. we have a generation of benefit scroungers/cheaters/
liars/thieves, we reap what has been sown. yuck
Posted by: evilc, essex on Today
Perhaps the answer is get rid of our 'Benefits Culture'
PC created irresponsible families!
Whilst i agree wholeheartedly, i dont feel we can totally get rid of benefits, but what i think would be a great idea is to make the lazy bar stewards work for their dole money doing things in the community such as clearing out ditches, cleaning up graffiti and other such tasks the councils dont seem to find time for. I am sure if we all look around our communities we can see loads of things that the lazy "hold my hand out" brigade can do to "earn" thier right to money.
"oh my god" i can hear the pc brigade screech, "what happens to their human rights"
the lazy bar stewards wont want to work for their dole moneybecause they will then say we can earn more doing a proper job. Got an answer for you screech there to, if you can get a "proper job" get one.
I have worked since the day i left school, doing anything i can. I may not have the best qualifications in the world, but i have lots of experience, and i can honestly say that everything i own, is brought and paid for by my own hard work.
It makes me so mad and angry to see a constant stream of benefit scroungers constantly coming out and appearing to claim more than i and my husband earn, and still whinge and whine. I know someone who has never worked, had a baby when she just left school, her daughter is now following in her footsteps because she knows no different.
Go away pc brigade, look what you have helped sow and create with all your namby pambying and constant screeching of human rights. we have a generation of benefit scroungers/cheaters/
liars/thieves, we reap what has been sown. yuck
Posted by: c. cutting, basildon on 12:32pm Mon 24 Mar 08
guess i will be shopping else where bfor my drinks then, its not just kids who drink, but responsible adults who know their limits! another freedom of choice taken away..[bold]bold[/bold]
guess i will be shopping else where bfor my drinks then, its not just kids who drink, but responsible adults who know their limits! another freedom of choice taken away..
Posted by: Paul Myleg, laindon on 3:23pm Mon 24 Mar 08
[bold]I am on benefits and all the time they dish money out to me, why should I go to work. If I get a job I would probably have to get a car, make sandwiches for lunch and go out in the cold in winter. Now why would I do that, if for a little bit less money in my pocket I can get my rent and council tax paid and sit nice and snug on me setee and watch Jeremy Kyle. Now thats the life.
Oh and as for the alcol pops, you can always get someone to get them for you from the offy.
Taking it of the shelf will just change the way kids get it. Almost all people in our county will know someone who uses or sells canabis. If this can be got hold off believe me, alco pops will be as easy to get as buying bread.
Schools should show alcohol abuse videos to young kids and let them grow up seeing how alcohol can ruin lives.
Schools teach sex education and discuss smoking and they should include lessons on drinking alcohol.
I blame the teaching system.
Got to go, Jeremy's on ITV2[/bold]
I am on benefits and all the time they dish money out to me, why should I go to work. If I get a job I would probably have to get a car, make sandwiches for lunch and go out in the cold in winter. Now why would I do that, if for a little bit less money in my pocket I can get my rent and council tax paid and sit nice and snug on me setee and watch Jeremy Kyle. Now thats the life.
Oh and as for the alcol pops, you can always get someone to get them for you from the offy.
Taking it of the shelf will just change the way kids get it. Almost all people in our county will know someone who uses or sells canabis. If this can be got hold off believe me, alco pops will be as easy to get as buying bread.
Schools should show alcohol abuse videos to young kids and let them grow up seeing how alcohol can ruin lives.
Schools teach sex education and discuss smoking and they should include lessons on drinking alcohol.
I blame the teaching system.
Got to go, Jeremy's on ITV2 Posted by: Mark Crosby, Pitsea, Basildon on 4:07pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Alcohol is too cheap these days! The unemployed can afford alcohol, which means it must be too cheap! Years ago, people couldn't afford to get so drunk. The price of alcohol has gone down and down, and now anyone can afford it. We need to increase the price of alcohol, and we need to do it now.
Alcohol is too cheap these days! The unemployed can afford alcohol, which means it must be too cheap! Years ago, people couldn't afford to get so drunk. The price of alcohol has gone down and down, and now anyone can afford it. We need to increase the price of alcohol, and we need to do it now.
Posted by: Mark Crosby, Pitsea, Basildon on 4:14pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Paul Myleg, are you really happy with "just coping" with life other than actually achieving something in your life, or are you like the rest of the dole dossers in Basildon who have a totally negative effect on society? Are you not better off dead? There is more to life than dole.
Paul Myleg, are you really happy with "just coping" with life other than actually achieving something in your life, or are you like the rest of the dole dossers in Basildon who have a totally negative effect on society? Are you not better off dead? There is more to life than dole.
Posted by: J, Benfleet on 4:14pm Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Helen[/bold] wrote:
Enforce more responsible parenting and accountability as well as issue fines for both children and parents to be penalised for breaking the law of the land. If this fails then parents and children alike will have to pay for ignoring and failing to take action to abide by the law. This could involve having to attend parenting classes each weekend for a specified period of time and a sessional theme of healthy working relationships involving parental imput to demonstrate they really take the matter of being a parent seriously enough to educate their children about the dangers of drinking and its effects. Some parents just doll out the money to get their kids out of their hair instead of being proper parents and showing interest in what they are doing and whom they are seeing. Better still ban all alcohol sales! [/quote] at last somebody has put their finger dead centre on everything that's wrong!!! well said Helen![bold]bold[/bold]
Helen wrote:
Enforce more responsible parenting and accountability as well as issue fines for both children and parents to be penalised for breaking the law of the land. If this fails then parents and children alike will have to pay for ignoring and failing to take action to abide by the law. This could involve having to attend parenting classes each weekend for a specified period of time and a sessional theme of healthy working relationships involving parental imput to demonstrate they really take the matter of being a parent seriously enough to educate their children about the dangers of drinking and its effects. Some parents just doll out the money to get their kids out of their hair instead of being proper parents and showing interest in what they are doing and whom they are seeing. Better still ban all alcohol sales!
at last somebody has put their finger dead centre on everything that's wrong!!! well said Helen!
Posted by: guessoo, basildon on 4:29pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Paul, you're getting too good at this, you'll be believing your own publicity soon!
Paul, you're getting too good at this, you'll be believing your own publicity soon!
Posted by: Dan, North Leigh on 6:19pm Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote]Since the 60's drink/drugs unfortunatly have become a leisure activity in some circles[/quote]
Drink has ALWAYS been a leisure activity. Pubs weren't invented in 1962 you know!
Good riddance to alcopops though, they taste disgusting and are usually pretty overpriced anyway. When I binge drink I prefer to stick to beer and not mix, minimises the hangovers!
Since the 60's drink/drugs unfortunatly have become a leisure activity in some circles
Drink has ALWAYS been a leisure activity. Pubs weren't invented in 1962 you know!
Good riddance to alcopops though, they taste disgusting and are usually pretty overpriced anyway. When I binge drink I prefer to stick to beer and not mix, minimises the hangovers!
Posted by: Doughnut, Benfleet on 6:40pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Nice idea, but if I was 24, I'd be furious !! Totally within my rights to buy alcohol..in fact, had been for 6 years !! and asked to provide proof of id ? Instant loss of street cred ...
Nice idea, but if I was 24, I'd be furious !! Totally within my rights to buy alcohol..in fact, had been for 6 years !! and asked to provide proof of id ? Instant loss of street cred ...
Posted by: Helen, Basildon on 7:35pm Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]J[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Helen[/bold] wrote: Enforce more responsible parenting and accountability as well as issue fines for both children and parents to be penalised for breaking the law of the land. If this fails then parents and children alike will have to pay for ignoring and failing to take action to abide by the law. This could involve having to attend parenting classes each weekend for a specified period of time and a sessional theme of healthy working relationships involving parental imput to demonstrate they really take the matter of being a parent seriously enough to educate their children about the dangers of drinking and its effects. Some parents just doll out the money to get their kids out of their hair instead of being proper parents and showing interest in what they are doing and whom they are seeing. Better still ban all alcohol sales! [/quote] at last somebody has put their finger dead centre on everything that's wrong!!! well said Helen![bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] Thank you J of Benfleet.
J wrote:
Helen wrote: Enforce more responsible parenting and accountability as well as issue fines for both children and parents to be penalised for breaking the law of the land. If this fails then parents and children alike will have to pay for ignoring and failing to take action to abide by the law. This could involve having to attend parenting classes each weekend for a specified period of time and a sessional theme of healthy working relationships involving parental imput to demonstrate they really take the matter of being a parent seriously enough to educate their children about the dangers of drinking and its effects. Some parents just doll out the money to get their kids out of their hair instead of being proper parents and showing interest in what they are doing and whom they are seeing. Better still ban all alcohol sales!
at last somebody has put their finger dead centre on everything that's wrong!!! well said Helen!
Thank you J of Benfleet.
Posted by: Helen, Basildon on 7:48pm Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]evilc[/bold] wrote:
Helen I agree with every single word BUT In this Country (I did not use the word world) We have Criminal Families and Parents that do not get out of bed other than to cheat and steal. I use the term this country because in Countries where they receive No Benefits the families seem to have respect even tho they have nothing. Perhaps the answer is get rid of our 'Benefits Culture' PC created irresponsible families![/quote] No probs with people whom genuinely deserve access to benefits, though to those whom flout the system, more should be done to closely monitor their movements and engage them in voluntary work within their communities as a compulsory
issue. This action would show they can be offered the opportunity to develop some self respect, build some structure to their daily routines in a positive way and freed of the 'yoke' that they are benefit scroungers, at the same time, be seen to be putting something back into society of their own free will, which will eventually enable them to take responsibility to find suitable paid employment to support themselves and their families.
evilc wrote:
Helen I agree with every single word BUT In this Country (I did not use the word world) We have Criminal Families and Parents that do not get out of bed other than to cheat and steal. I use the term this country because in Countries where they receive No Benefits the families seem to have respect even tho they have nothing. Perhaps the answer is get rid of our 'Benefits Culture' PC created irresponsible families!
No probs with people whom genuinely deserve access to benefits, though to those whom flout the system, more should be done to closely monitor their movements and engage them in voluntary work within their communities as a compulsory
issue. This action would show they can be offered the opportunity to develop some self respect, build some structure to their daily routines in a positive way and freed of the 'yoke' that they are benefit scroungers, at the same time, be seen to be putting something back into society of their own free will, which will eventually enable them to take responsibility to find suitable paid employment to support themselves and their families.
Posted by: paul, laindon on 8:02pm Mon 24 Mar 08
this is the same supermarket that has a big banner outside advertising cheap booze!!!
enough said!!![bold]bold[/bold]
this is the same supermarket that has a big banner outside advertising cheap booze!!!
enough said!!!
Posted by: roger, westcliff on 10:25pm Mon 24 Mar 08
The current younger generation are not the first to get drunk. We should not be looking at the products so much more the reasons why our youth feel the need to be plastered 24/7??? Has the elder generation really created such an environment where this kind of behaviour can flourish?
The current younger generation are not the first to get drunk. We should not be looking at the products so much more the reasons why our youth feel the need to be plastered 24/7??? Has the elder generation really created such an environment where this kind of behaviour can flourish?
Posted by: devil's advocate, boozeildon on 10:47pm Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]evilc[/bold] wrote:
Helen I agree with every single word BUT In this Country (I did not use the word world) We have Criminal Families and Parents that do not get out of bed other than to cheat and steal. I use the term this country because in Countries where they receive No Benefits the families seem to have respect even tho they have nothing. Perhaps the answer is get rid of our 'Benefits Culture' PC created irresponsible families![/quote] By all means teach people to respect themselves and each other, but remember, If you put the underclass to work,you will have to start paying reasonable wages and as the biggest and richest union, the CBI used to chant, if we pay you more we will have to put more people out of work. Only one class can create the work, don't blame the peasants for this, blame the ones who are supposed to create the wealth and hence the work! They have let this country degenerate to it's current third world status. Also, we don't have any industry left but the influx of non nationals seems to keep on increasing. Demoralised yet?
evilc wrote:
Helen I agree with every single word BUT In this Country (I did not use the word world) We have Criminal Families and Parents that do not get out of bed other than to cheat and steal. I use the term this country because in Countries where they receive No Benefits the families seem to have respect even tho they have nothing. Perhaps the answer is get rid of our 'Benefits Culture' PC created irresponsible families!
By all means teach people to respect themselves and each other, but remember, If you put the underclass to work,you will have to start paying reasonable wages and as the biggest and richest union, the CBI used to chant, if we pay you more we will have to put more people out of work. Only one class can create the work, don't blame the peasants for this, blame the ones who are supposed to create the wealth and hence the work! They have let this country degenerate to it's current third world status. Also, we don't have any industry left but the influx of non nationals seems to keep on increasing. Demoralised yet?
Posted by: issiteasy, Basildon on 10:55pm Mon 24 Mar 08
The idea of checking the age of anyone apparently under 25 has been in place for years in Canada and works very well. Also, it is illegal to drink alcahol on the street. This includes front gardens and you cannot carry alcahol on the street unless it is packaged. This has certainly made Canada a better place. Asda's move should be backed up strongly, then perhaps they will be encouraged to push common sense even further!
The idea of checking the age of anyone apparently under 25 has been in place for years in Canada and works very well. Also, it is illegal to drink alcahol on the street. This includes front gardens and you cannot carry alcahol on the street unless it is packaged. This has certainly made Canada a better place. Asda's move should be backed up strongly, then perhaps they will be encouraged to push common sense even further!
Posted by: steve on 11:46pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Why did this dumb a55 government introduce the new drinking law in which p155 heads can now binge drink 24-7, and who defended it?... Tessa Jowell, that's who.
Crazy!!!!!
Why did this dumb a55 government introduce the new drinking law in which p155 heads can now binge drink 24-7, and who defended it?... Tessa Jowell, that's who.
Crazy!!!!!
Posted by: J, Woodstock on 1:18am Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Helen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]J[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Helen[/bold] wrote: Enforce more responsible parenting and accountability as well as issue fines for both children and parents to be penalised for breaking the law of the land. If this fails then parents and children alike will have to pay for ignoring and failing to take action to abide by the law. This could involve having to attend parenting classes each weekend for a specified period of time and a sessional theme of healthy working relationships involving parental imput to demonstrate they really take the matter of being a parent seriously enough to educate their children about the dangers of drinking and its effects. Some parents just doll out the money to get their kids out of their hair instead of being proper parents and showing interest in what they are doing and whom they are seeing. Better still ban all alcohol sales! [/quote] at last somebody has put their finger dead centre on everything that\\\'s wrong!!! well said Helen![bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] Thank you J of Benfleet.[/quote] [bold]bold[/bold] You're welcome Helen. I live in a fairly affluent area, so poverty is no excuse. The kids are running riot through the streets and the parents don't give two hoots. Some of the comments I post on this site on various topics may make me seem as if I'm some kind of snotty moralist, but I'm actually an ex drug user, an ex hippie, an ex boozer - I never went out smashing peoples heads in and neither did my friends. We were brought up properly and our parents cared about us. I see the yob culture and the drink culture as going largely hand-in-hand, and I feel these kids are doing little more than copying their irresponsible and wayward parents.[bold]bold[/bold]
Helen wrote:
J wrote: Helen wrote: Enforce more responsible parenting and accountability as well as issue fines for both children and parents to be penalised for breaking the law of the land. If this fails then parents and children alike will have to pay for ignoring and failing to take action to abide by the law. This could involve having to attend parenting classes each weekend for a specified period of time and a sessional theme of healthy working relationships involving parental imput to demonstrate they really take the matter of being a parent seriously enough to educate their children about the dangers of drinking and its effects. Some parents just doll out the money to get their kids out of their hair instead of being proper parents and showing interest in what they are doing and whom they are seeing. Better still ban all alcohol sales!
at last somebody has put their finger dead centre on everything that's wrong!!! well said Helen!
Thank you J of Benfleet.
You're welcome Helen. I live in a fairly affluent area, so poverty is no excuse. The kids are running riot through the streets and the parents don't give two hoots. Some of the comments I post on this site on various topics may make me seem as if I'm some kind of snotty moralist, but I'm actually an ex drug user, an ex hippie, an ex boozer - I never went out smashing peoples heads in and neither did my friends. We were brought up properly and our parents cared about us. I see the yob culture and the drink culture as going largely hand-in-hand, and I feel these kids are doing little more than copying their irresponsible and wayward parents.
Posted by: zero tolerance, Basildon on 9:25am Tue 25 Mar 08
If alcohol was banned for the under 25's that would be a start in the right direction perhaps?
After all, it works in Canada and America and the citizens know the consequences if they do not abide by the law, besides they are encouraged by their parents to respect the law!
As for the over 25's issue them with a card with so many points on and once these have been exhausted as a result of their binge drinking activities, quite simply they will have to go without or go along to the local 'Band Of Hope' group if preferred?
Shops and pubs that sell alcohol to make profit should take the added responsibility of ensuring their customers are not put at risk of harming their health or others, this would be a way of recording and checking out alcohol consumption as well as controlling amounts sold to people that are intent on abusing it!
PS More Policing too would be advantageous in catching those too p*ssed to run away and charge them for being a) under age or b) drunk and disorderly, that should get their crime figures up!
If alcohol was banned for the under 25's that would be a start in the right direction perhaps?
After all, it works in Canada and America and the citizens know the consequences if they do not abide by the law, besides they are encouraged by their parents to respect the law!
As for the over 25's issue them with a card with so many points on and once these have been exhausted as a result of their binge drinking activities, quite simply they will have to go without or go along to the local 'Band Of Hope' group if preferred?
Shops and pubs that sell alcohol to make profit should take the added responsibility of ensuring their customers are not put at risk of harming their health or others, this would be a way of recording and checking out alcohol consumption as well as controlling amounts sold to people that are intent on abusing it!
PS More Policing too would be advantageous in catching those too p*ssed to run away and charge them for being a) under age or b) drunk and disorderly, that should get their crime figures up!
Posted by: Helen, Basildon on 9:40am Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]J[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Helen[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]J[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Helen[/bold] wrote: Enforce more responsible parenting and accountability as well as issue fines for both children and parents to be penalised for breaking the law of the land. If this fails then parents and children alike will have to pay for ignoring and failing to take action to abide by the law. This could involve having to attend parenting classes each weekend for a specified period of time and a sessional theme of healthy working relationships involving parental imput to demonstrate they really take the matter of being a parent seriously enough to educate their children about the dangers of drinking and its effects. Some parents just doll out the money to get their kids out of their hair instead of being proper parents and showing interest in what they are doing and whom they are seeing. Better still ban all alcohol sales! [/quote] at last somebody has put their finger dead centre on everything that\\\'s wrong!!! well said Helen![bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] Thank you J of Benfleet.[/quote] [bold]bold[/bold] You're welcome Helen. I live in a fairly affluent area, so poverty is no excuse. The kids are running riot through the streets and the parents don't give two hoots. Some of the comments I post on this site on various topics may make me seem as if I'm some kind of snotty moralist, but I'm actually an ex drug user, an ex hippie, an ex boozer - I never went out smashing peoples heads in and neither did my friends. We were brought up properly and our parents cared about us. I see the yob culture and the drink culture as going largely hand-in-hand, and I feel these kids are doing little more than copying their irresponsible and wayward parents.[bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] As the Beatles once sang "Money can't buy me love."
Point is, today too many parents (not all) throw money at their children (after all they are children, being minors)and give them a false sense of security, make them ill mannered, insensitive to others needs, selfish and not even capable of holding down a reasonable conversation, in favour of grunting and encouraging them to become rebels without a cause.
It makes me angry as a Mother and Grandmother to think how people can be so irresponsible, let alone be allowed to breed more like themselves.
When I was growing up, we were taught self respect, respect for others,politeness and good manners as a matter of principle.
No wonder we are living in a Maccy 'D's world today - instant gratification, little or no respect, attitudinal and just plain rude in some cases!
I'd be ashamed to call myself a parent in this day and age if I didn't do the job properly - never mind about materialism!
J wrote:
Helen wrote: J wrote: Helen wrote: Enforce more responsible parenting and accountability as well as issue fines for both children and parents to be penalised for breaking the law of the land. If this fails then parents and children alike will have to pay for ignoring and failing to take action to abide by the law. This could involve having to attend parenting classes each weekend for a specified period of time and a sessional theme of healthy working relationships involving parental imput to demonstrate they really take the matter of being a parent seriously enough to educate their children about the dangers of drinking and its effects. Some parents just doll out the money to get their kids out of their hair instead of being proper parents and showing interest in what they are doing and whom they are seeing. Better still ban all alcohol sales!
at last somebody has put their finger dead centre on everything that's wrong!!! well said Helen!
Thank you J of Benfleet.
You're welcome Helen. I live in a fairly affluent area, so poverty is no excuse. The kids are running riot through the streets and the parents don't give two hoots. Some of the comments I post on this site on various topics may make me seem as if I'm some kind of snotty moralist, but I'm actually an ex drug user, an ex hippie, an ex boozer - I never went out smashing peoples heads in and neither did my friends. We were brought up properly and our parents cared about us. I see the yob culture and the drink culture as going largely hand-in-hand, and I feel these kids are doing little more than copying their irresponsible and wayward parents.
As the Beatles once sang "Money can't buy me love."
Point is, today too many parents (not all) throw money at their children (after all they are children, being minors)and give them a false sense of security, make them ill mannered, insensitive to others needs, selfish and not even capable of holding down a reasonable conversation, in favour of grunting and encouraging them to become rebels without a cause.
It makes me angry as a Mother and Grandmother to think how people can be so irresponsible, let alone be allowed to breed more like themselves.
When I was growing up, we were taught self respect, respect for others,politeness and good manners as a matter of principle.
No wonder we are living in a Maccy 'D's world today - instant gratification, little or no respect, attitudinal and just plain rude in some cases!
I'd be ashamed to call myself a parent in this day and age if I didn't do the job properly - never mind about materialism!
Posted by: ????, ???? on 11:01am Tue 25 Mar 08
well done asda! you have now started something that will turn into something worse than you already have.
Instead of buying alcopops, they will now be buying beer or vodka and getting into even worse situations than they already are.
ID should always be checked! Why penalise people that drink respectfully when it is idiots that cause all these problems!
I hope you know what you have let yourselves in for...
well done asda! you have now started something that will turn into something worse than you already have.
Instead of buying alcopops, they will now be buying beer or vodka and getting into even worse situations than they already are.
ID should always be checked! Why penalise people that drink respectfully when it is idiots that cause all these problems!
I hope you know what you have let yourselves in for...
Posted by: LOL, Southend on 11:57am Tue 25 Mar 08
[bold]To all the people that moans about everyone that is on benefits are scum bags & a waste of space they should consider thinking of the people that are disabled & that cant get a job because of there disability. They must be the ones that are guilty of letting there kids run riot & are trying to blame everyone else for there mistakes "Oh look they are on benefits so they must be the ones to blame, oh look he/she just beat him up so he/she must be on benefits as well" (but in reality he/she could be living of mummy & daddy's money or have a well paid job but still get accused of being on benefits). I am 32 & i get incapacity benefit because i had an injury to my lower back in 1999 then a year later my left lung collapsed for no reason i have tried getting back into work by doing several college courses & rehab work done on my back as well as injections into the spine i finally got a job last year but i got treat like a sixteen year old then i came down ill & had to leave the job because of it now im back on benefits till i have had more examinations done as i have now been diagnosed with spongealitus of the neck . But back onto the subject its not just todays teengers that are all binge drinking its been a problem for a long time now & its still gonna b a problem like i say we all have been there & done it when we was younger so we all cant be hypocritical about it except for the ones that r causing a problem for everyone well when i was about 14 i used to go home drunk but i never caused anybody any problems neither did my mates & the other thing the people that are on benefits cant always afford to give there kids the money for alcohol unless they are getting another sort of income & it is them type of people that should be called scroungers & not the genuine ones. Well i lived with my nan & she could never afford the money for me to go out & get drunk it was always my mates with parents that had money that always bought the drinks & sometimes it was there parents that bought the drinks for us so like i say its not just the people that are on benefits that are the problem its everyone the shops for selling the alcohol, the people that buy it for the younger kids & the parents that give the money or supply it for them to drink on the streets are the problem i have 3 kids & i know they will more than likely do it when they are older as well but its not cause we are bad parents its because they will experiment like all teenagers will do & there is nothing that can be done cause its the society that we live in today cause your not allowed to tell them of like you used to be able to, a smack on the back of the hand never hurt anyone years ago it never hurt me my mate used to get the belt if he was naughty it never done him any harm even schools used to give the kilds the belt but did it harm any of them & look at the crime then but now the kids think they can get away with murder & only get put in a corner for 14 mins well depends on how old they are & as helen from basildon says respect that is whats needed now a days more respect, respect from the old, middle aged & the young everybody needs respect each other & themselves[/bold]
To all the people that moans about everyone that is on benefits are scum bags & a waste of space they should consider thinking of the people that are disabled & that cant get a job because of there disability. They must be the ones that are guilty of letting there kids run riot & are trying to blame everyone else for there mistakes "Oh look they are on benefits so they must be the ones to blame, oh look he/she just beat him up so he/she must be on benefits as well" (but in reality he/she could be living of mummy & daddy's money or have a well paid job but still get accused of being on benefits). I am 32 & i get incapacity benefit because i had an injury to my lower back in 1999 then a year later my left lung collapsed for no reason i have tried getting back into work by doing several college courses & rehab work done on my back as well as injections into the spine i finally got a job last year but i got treat like a sixteen year old then i came down ill & had to leave the job because of it now im back on benefits till i have had more examinations done as i have now been diagnosed with spongealitus of the neck . But back onto the subject its not just todays teengers that are all binge drinking its been a problem for a long time now & its still gonna b a problem like i say we all have been there & done it when we was younger so we all cant be hypocritical about it except for the ones that r causing a problem for everyone well when i was about 14 i used to go home drunk but i never caused anybody any problems neither did my mates & the other thing the people that are on benefits cant always afford to give there kids the money for alcohol unless they are getting another sort of income & it is them type of people that should be called scroungers & not the genuine ones. Well i lived with my nan & she could never afford the money for me to go out & get drunk it was always my mates with parents that had money that always bought the drinks & sometimes it was there parents that bought the drinks for us so like i say its not just the people that are on benefits that are the problem its everyone the shops for selling the alcohol, the people that buy it for the younger kids & the parents that give the money or supply it for them to drink on the streets are the problem i have 3 kids & i know they will more than likely do it when they are older as well but its not cause we are bad parents its because they will experiment like all teenagers will do & there is nothing that can be done cause its the society that we live in today cause your not allowed to tell them of like you used to be able to, a smack on the back of the hand never hurt anyone years ago it never hurt me my mate used to get the belt if he was naughty it never done him any harm even schools used to give the kilds the belt but did it harm any of them & look at the crime then but now the kids think they can get away with murder & only get put in a corner for 14 mins well depends on how old they are & as helen from basildon says respect that is whats needed now a days more respect, respect from the old, middle aged & the young everybody needs respect each other & themselves Posted by: Mark Crosby, Pitsea, Basildon on 1:59am Wed 26 Mar 08
The problem age seems to be around 15-18 - School leavers who didn't bother getting further education after school ended.
I believe the schools secretary Ed Balls is already addressing this problem by raising the leaving age to 18. (http://news.bbc.co.
uk/1/hi/education/62
54833.stm)
We need to raise the price of alcohol, and make sure our children are educated to know the dangers of alcohol.
We all need to do our bit to curb this problem. I don't think we should leave it all to the government to sort out.
We need to be educating our children about this - not leaving it up to the government and schools.
The problem age seems to be around 15-18 - School leavers who didn't bother getting further education after school ended.
I believe the schools secretary Ed Balls is already addressing this problem by raising the leaving age to 18. (http://news.bbc.co.
uk/1/hi/education/62
54833.stm)
We need to raise the price of alcohol, and make sure our children are educated to know the dangers of alcohol.
We all need to do our bit to curb this problem. I don't think we should leave it all to the government to sort out.
We need to be educating our children about this - not leaving it up to the government and schools.
Posted by: Kim Gandy, Rayleigh on 5:38am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Helen[/bold] wrote:
Enforce more responsible parenting and accountability as well as issue fines for both children and parents to be penalised for breaking the law of the land. If this fails then parents and children alike will have to pay for ignoring and failing to take action to abide by the law. This could involve having to attend parenting classes each weekend for a specified period of time and a sessional theme of healthy working relationships involving parental imput to demonstrate they really take the matter of being a parent seriously enough to educate their children about the dangers of drinking and its effects. Some parents just doll out the money to get their kids out of their hair instead of being proper parents and showing interest in what they are doing and whom they are seeing. Better still ban all alcohol sales! [/quote] Er, which planet do you inhabit?
Do you have teenage children?
You sound as if you have no children at all.
I have a 17 year old daughter. I have brought her up to understand that drinking and smoking is bad for her health.
I have brought her up to respect other people's privacy and rights to peace and quiet.
I have instilled into her all of the things a decent parent would do.
However, I am NOT able to track her every move.
Therefore, I cannot be held responsible for anything she might do when she is outside my line of vision.
All I can hope is that she conducts herself in a manner of which I would be proud.
I know her and her friends can get themselves in clus and the majority of them do these days.
I don't like it but short of strapping her down and bolting all the doors, I fail to see what I can do about it.
However, i know my daughter well enough to know that she wouldn't harm others or intimidate or threaten, like so many yobs do these days.
yes, I have responsibilities as a parent but I also HAD rights which this government has robbed me of.
Parents cannot now use any form of corporal punishment. Of course I don't advocate beating or anything like that but when I was younger, you got a clip round the ear or a slap on the leg for being rude and disrespectful.
Now schools have been divested of any responsibility, rewarding bullies instead of punishing them.
Parents can be left in the dark about 12, 13, 14 and 15 year olds putting themselves on the pill.
And this government has created a 24 hour booze culture.
So go and address your rant at the pathetic left wing liberal moronocracy whose politically correct "punish the victims, reward the bullies" policies have created the very climate in which binge drinking now flourishes.
Helen wrote:
Enforce more responsible parenting and accountability as well as issue fines for both children and parents to be penalised for breaking the law of the land. If this fails then parents and children alike will have to pay for ignoring and failing to take action to abide by the law. This could involve having to attend parenting classes each weekend for a specified period of time and a sessional theme of healthy working relationships involving parental imput to demonstrate they really take the matter of being a parent seriously enough to educate their children about the dangers of drinking and its effects. Some parents just doll out the money to get their kids out of their hair instead of being proper parents and showing interest in what they are doing and whom they are seeing. Better still ban all alcohol sales!
Er, which planet do you inhabit?
Do you have teenage children?
You sound as if you have no children at all.
I have a 17 year old daughter. I have brought her up to understand that drinking and smoking is bad for her health.
I have brought her up to respect other people's privacy and rights to peace and quiet.
I have instilled into her all of the things a decent parent would do.
However, I am NOT able to track her every move.
Therefore, I cannot be held responsible for anything she might do when she is outside my line of vision.
All I can hope is that she conducts herself in a manner of which I would be proud.
I know her and her friends can get themselves in clus and the majority of them do these days.
I don't like it but short of strapping her down and bolting all the doors, I fail to see what I can do about it.
However, i know my daughter well enough to know that she wouldn't harm others or intimidate or threaten, like so many yobs do these days.
yes, I have responsibilities as a parent but I also HAD rights which this government has robbed me of.
Parents cannot now use any form of corporal punishment. Of course I don't advocate beating or anything like that but when I was younger, you got a clip round the ear or a slap on the leg for being rude and disrespectful.
Now schools have been divested of any responsibility, rewarding bullies instead of punishing them.
Parents can be left in the dark about 12, 13, 14 and 15 year olds putting themselves on the pill.
And this government has created a 24 hour booze culture.
So go and address your rant at the pathetic left wing liberal moronocracy whose politically correct "punish the victims, reward the bullies" policies have created the very climate in which binge drinking now flourishes.
Posted by: Helen, Basildon on 10:13am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Helen[/bold] wrote: Enforce more responsible parenting and accountability as well as issue fines for both children and parents to be penalised for breaking the law of the land. If this fails then parents and children alike will have to pay for ignoring and failing to take action to abide by the law. This could involve having to attend parenting classes each weekend for a specified period of time and a sessional theme of healthy working relationships involving parental imput to demonstrate they really take the matter of being a parent seriously enough to educate their children about the dangers of drinking and its effects. Some parents just doll out the money to get their kids out of their hair instead of being proper parents and showing interest in what they are doing and whom they are seeing. Better still ban all alcohol sales! [/quote] Er, which planet do you inhabit? Do you have teenage children? You sound as if you have no children at all. I have a 17 year old daughter. I have brought her up to understand that drinking and smoking is bad for her health. I have brought her up to respect other people's privacy and rights to peace and quiet. I have instilled into her all of the things a decent parent would do. However, I am NOT able to track her every move. Therefore, I cannot be held responsible for anything she might do when she is outside my line of vision. All I can hope is that she conducts herself in a manner of which I would be proud. I know her and her friends can get themselves in clus and the majority of them do these days. I don't like it but short of strapping her down and bolting all the doors, I fail to see what I can do about it. However, i know my daughter well enough to know that she wouldn't harm others or intimidate or threaten, like so many yobs do these days. yes, I have responsibilities as a parent but I also HAD rights which this government has robbed me of. Parents cannot now use any form of corporal punishment. Of course I don't advocate beating or anything like that but when I was younger, you got a clip round the ear or a slap on the leg for being rude and disrespectful. Now schools have been divested of any responsibility, rewarding bullies instead of punishing them. Parents can be left in the dark about 12, 13, 14 and 15 year olds putting themselves on the pill. And this government has created a 24 hour booze culture. So go and address your rant at the pathetic left wing liberal moronocracy whose politically correct "punish the victims, reward the bullies" policies have created the very climate in which binge drinking now flourishes.[/quote] Actually I have two grown up sons aged 29 and 31 respectively and I am also a Grandmother of two granddaughters aged 5 and 7.
Education has always been top of the agenda when dealing with parenting issues as well as determination to see it through if faced with a challenge?
I would do the same style of parenting all over again if I had to because it worked as a result of being responsible and committed to ensuring that our children grew up civilised, well mannered and taught about morals and how to respect others.
Incidentally, I never once struck either of my children as a form of punishment, but took the time and effort to explain to them their mistakes.
Even to this day they have both thanked me for the upbringing they received and have turned out well adjusted respectable young men.
I have no need to rant but am forever open to listen to others' point of view.
Kim Gandy wrote:
Helen wrote: Enforce more responsible parenting and accountability as well as issue fines for both children and parents to be penalised for breaking the law of the land. If this fails then parents and children alike will have to pay for ignoring and failing to take action to abide by the law. This could involve having to attend parenting classes each weekend for a specified period of time and a sessional theme of healthy working relationships involving parental imput to demonstrate they really take the matter of being a parent seriously enough to educate their children about the dangers of drinking and its effects. Some parents just doll out the money to get their kids out of their hair instead of being proper parents and showing interest in what they are doing and whom they are seeing. Better still ban all alcohol sales!
Er, which planet do you inhabit? Do you have teenage children? You sound as if you have no children at all. I have a 17 year old daughter. I have brought her up to understand that drinking and smoking is bad for her health. I have brought her up to respect other people's privacy and rights to peace and quiet. I have instilled into her all of the things a decent parent would do. However, I am NOT able to track her every move. Therefore, I cannot be held responsible for anything she might do when she is outside my line of vision. All I can hope is that she conducts herself in a manner of which I would be proud. I know her and her friends can get themselves in clus and the majority of them do these days. I don't like it but short of strapping her down and bolting all the doors, I fail to see what I can do about it. However, i know my daughter well enough to know that she wouldn't harm others or intimidate or threaten, like so many yobs do these days. yes, I have responsibilities as a parent but I also HAD rights which this government has robbed me of. Parents cannot now use any form of corporal punishment. Of course I don't advocate beating or anything like that but when I was younger, you got a clip round the ear or a slap on the leg for being rude and disrespectful. Now schools have been divested of any responsibility, rewarding bullies instead of punishing them. Parents can be left in the dark about 12, 13, 14 and 15 year olds putting themselves on the pill. And this government has created a 24 hour booze culture. So go and address your rant at the pathetic left wing liberal moronocracy whose politically correct "punish the victims, reward the bullies" policies have created the very climate in which binge drinking now flourishes.
Actually I have two grown up sons aged 29 and 31 respectively and I am also a Grandmother of two granddaughters aged 5 and 7.
Education has always been top of the agenda when dealing with parenting issues as well as determination to see it through if faced with a challenge?
I would do the same style of parenting all over again if I had to because it worked as a result of being responsible and committed to ensuring that our children grew up civilised, well mannered and taught about morals and how to respect others.
Incidentally, I never once struck either of my children as a form of punishment, but took the time and effort to explain to them their mistakes.
Even to this day they have both thanked me for the upbringing they received and have turned out well adjusted respectable young men.
I have no need to rant but am forever open to listen to others' point of view.
Posted by: Dougal, 419-198 on 8:01pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Kim gandy has lost it again. The article is about banning alcopops and she goes on about how she misses beating her kids. What a mother to have.
Kim gandy has lost it again. The article is about banning alcopops and she goes on about how she misses beating her kids. What a mother to have.
Posted by: Steve on 9:45pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Dougal[/bold] wrote:
Kim gandy has lost it again. The article is about banning alcopops and she goes on about how she misses beating her kids. What a mother to have.[/quote] You don't like her do you!!
Dougal wrote:
Kim gandy has lost it again. The article is about banning alcopops and she goes on about how she misses beating her kids. What a mother to have.
You don't like her do you!!
Posted by: Dougal on 7:21am Fri 28 Mar 08
Steve,
Not much. She is a ranting self centred wannabe politician. She has a very low opinion of the human race (scots, irish, travellers, scum, van drivers, immigrants, liberals, tories, labour, BNP, well basically everyone who isn't kim gandy) and should expect similar in return.
But hey i suppose it takes all sorts.
Steve,
Not much. She is a ranting self centred wannabe politician. She has a very low opinion of the human race (scots, irish, travellers, scum, van drivers, immigrants, liberals, tories, labour, BNP, well basically everyone who isn't kim gandy) and should expect similar in return.
But hey i suppose it takes all sorts.
Posted by: Steve on 8:03pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Dougal[/bold] wrote:
Steve, Not much. She is a ranting self centred wannabe politician. She has a very low opinion of the human race (scots, irish, travellers, scum, van drivers, immigrants, liberals, tories, labour, BNP, well basically everyone who isn't kim gandy) and should expect similar in return. But hey i suppose it takes all sorts.[/quote] Point taken
Dougal wrote:
Steve, Not much. She is a ranting self centred wannabe politician. She has a very low opinion of the human race (scots, irish, travellers, scum, van drivers, immigrants, liberals, tories, labour, BNP, well basically everyone who isn't kim gandy) and should expect similar in return. But hey i suppose it takes all sorts.
Point taken
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