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Judge 'right to halt traveller eviction'
LABOUR councillors have welcomed the High Court decision to quash Basildon Council's £1.9million bid to evict travellers from illegal sites.
Basildon Labour group described the result, which has halted the eviction of 86 familes from Dale Farm, Crays Hill, and 15 from Hovefields, Wickford, as "common sense".
The comments came as up to 40 MPs of all parties agreed to sign a letter calling on the council to stop pursuing evictions.
The pledge was made at a meeting of the All Party Parliamentary Group for Gypsy and Traveller Law Reform held in Westminster.
On Friday the judge ordered no evictions take place until the welfare of people on the sites and the possibility of finding alternative homes have been assessed by the council.
Council leader Malcolm Buckley said the authority was considering whether to appeal.
Lynda Gordon, Labour group leader, said: "This is not only about enforcing planning law, but about treating people with genuine needs fairly and with compassion.
"I hope the judgement acts as a wake up call and the Tories will seriously reconsider their position and seek a realistic solution to the problem that addresses the concerns and worries of the travellers, settled community and council."
Meanwhile, Grattan Puxon, a lead campaigner for the travellers, said the council has told him it will be unable to attend a proposed eviction protocol meeting today in Brentwood.
Council 'not racist'
COUNCIL leader Malcolm Buckley has welcomed the fact the judge found no "racism" in the authority's eviction bid.
The Equality and Human Rights Commission took part in the case alongside travellers, and argued the council's stance was "direct discrimination" against gipsies.
It also claimed the council failed to properly consider the needs of disabled people and women on the sites.
The commission's involvement led campaigners to accuse the council of racism.
However, Judge Mr Justice Andrew Collins said he found no direct discrimination and decided against most of the commission's submissions.
Mr Buckley said: "I am pleased the judge found no evidence of discrimination. The judge commented on the commission taking a whole day in court and said he was minded to charge it costs."
Vicky Burton, spokeswoman for the commission, said: "The judge said he would have preferred written, rather than oral submissions, but we believe he gave weight to the arguments and we have not been awarded any costs."
6:24am Tuesday 13th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: Andrew, Shoeburyness on 7:23am Tue 13 May 08
[bold]Typical Labour, putting the rights of law breakers before the rights of the law abiding majority.
Which is why Labour will be relegated to third party status at the general election.[/bold]
Typical Labour, putting the rights of law breakers before the rights of the law abiding majority.
Which is why Labour will be relegated to third party status at the general election. Posted by: undertaker, crays hill on 7:39am Tue 13 May 08
I would'nt have expected no less from this lying cheating corrupt government.
The british electorate have woken up and realised what you have done to this once proud country.
You have had your worst drubbing in 40 years and with out of touch comments like this are you suprised.
I am looking forward to the general election so you get your just rewards. You have sold this country out and the electorate will pay you back in full.
good bye and good riddance and just drift into oblivion to rot and fester in your lies and corruption.
I would'nt have expected no less from this lying cheating corrupt government.
The british electorate have woken up and realised what you have done to this once proud country.
You have had your worst drubbing in 40 years and with out of touch comments like this are you suprised.
I am looking forward to the general election so you get your just rewards. You have sold this country out and the electorate will pay you back in full.
good bye and good riddance and just drift into oblivion to rot and fester in your lies and corruption.
Posted by: evilc, essex on 7:41am Tue 13 May 08
Hardly a surprise after all The Labour Party are a Socialist Society, Equal rights, Human Rights and all the other crap that collapsed in the Eastern Block.
The Workers will pay!!
Hardly a surprise after all The Labour Party are a Socialist Society, Equal rights, Human Rights and all the other crap that collapsed in the Eastern Block.
The Workers will pay!!
Posted by: mike b, Billericay on 8:00am Tue 13 May 08
The support of the 40 MP's will doubtless be very welcome in Crays Hill, Hovefields and Basildon Council.
At least Lynda Gordon is not suggesting that Planning Law be set aside but the Council does not need to "seriously reconsider their sition" but correct it's process a little.
How good it is to see the Judge has rejected all the rubbish about racism and discrimination.
Maybe,at last there's some light at the end of the tunnel for Crays Hill and Hovefields.
The support of the 40 MP's will doubtless be very welcome in Crays Hill, Hovefields and Basildon Council.
At least Lynda Gordon is not suggesting that Planning Law be set aside but the Council does not need to "seriously reconsider their sition" but correct it's process a little.
How good it is to see the Judge has rejected all the rubbish about racism and discrimination.
Maybe,at last there's some light at the end of the tunnel for Crays Hill and Hovefields.
Posted by: Bitta, Rip Off Britain on 8:06am Tue 13 May 08
"this lying cheating corrupt government"..
What you have said there undertaker may well be true but cast you mind back a few years, wasnt exactly the same things said about the tories when then were captain of this sinking ship we call England?
We are now the dumping ground for the whole of Europe, and it'll never change if/when the conservatives take the helm again.
"this lying cheating corrupt government"..
What you have said there undertaker may well be true but cast you mind back a few years, wasnt exactly the same things said about the tories when then were captain of this sinking ship we call England?
We are now the dumping ground for the whole of Europe, and it'll never change if/when the conservatives take the helm again.
Posted by: undertaker, crays hill on 8:33am Tue 13 May 08
[quote][bold]Bitta[/bold] wrote:
"this lying cheating corrupt government".. What you have said there undertaker may well be true but cast you mind back a few years, wasnt exactly the same things said about the tories when then were captain of this sinking ship we call England? We are now the dumping ground for the whole of Europe, and it'll never change if/when the conservatives take the helm again.[/quote] They were probably worse than this lot thats why we need a radical change.
They all have their noses in the trough but i dont think the tories would pander to the needs of the so called minorities at the expense of the indiginous population.
Bitta wrote:
"this lying cheating corrupt government".. What you have said there undertaker may well be true but cast you mind back a few years, wasnt exactly the same things said about the tories when then were captain of this sinking ship we call England? We are now the dumping ground for the whole of Europe, and it'll never change if/when the conservatives take the helm again.
They were probably worse than this lot thats why we need a radical change.
They all have their noses in the trough but i dont think the tories would pander to the needs of the so called minorities at the expense of the indiginous population.
Posted by: Sherry, At work :( on 9:03am Tue 13 May 08
Typical resonse from Labour, sucking up to the whims of non-conformists.
As for the pictures in the paper yesterday, well, i would just like to go to that court and rip that sign off above the heads of those women, where has 'justice' been served there then?, and where are the men from Dale Farm?, anyone would think only women lived there.
This government would do well to sit back and contemplate how to claw back the 18 million a year it costs to evict these travellers, money which comes out of MY wages.
I can't wait for a general election to get these nobs out who are so out of touch with reality it's untrue.
Typical resonse from Labour, sucking up to the whims of non-conformists.
As for the pictures in the paper yesterday, well, i would just like to go to that court and rip that sign off above the heads of those women, where has 'justice' been served there then?, and where are the men from Dale Farm?, anyone would think only women lived there.
This government would do well to sit back and contemplate how to claw back the 18 million a year it costs to evict these travellers, money which comes out of MY wages.
I can't wait for a general election to get these nobs out who are so out of touch with reality it's untrue.
Posted by: Daniel, Pitsea on 9:07am Tue 13 May 08
Well done the Labour representatives.
Lynda Gordon seems to prefer common sense to appeasing the bigoted mob.
Some people in the area really do talk about the Travellers in the same way that the Nazis talked about not only Travellers, but Jews and others too.
Well done the Labour representatives.
Lynda Gordon seems to prefer common sense to appeasing the bigoted mob.
Some people in the area really do talk about the Travellers in the same way that the Nazis talked about not only Travellers, but Jews and others too.
Posted by: Andrew, Shoeburyness on 9:36am Tue 13 May 08
[bold]Godwin's Law within 8 posts. Is that a record?[/bold]
Godwin's Law within 8 posts. Is that a record? Posted by: Gary, Basildon on 9:50am Tue 13 May 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Typical Labour, putting the rights of law breakers before the rights of the law abiding majority. Which is why Labour will be relegated to third party status at the general election.[/bold] [/quote] Backed by 40 MPs across [bold]ALL[/bold] parties.
The problem of course is that eviction now would no doubt mean another illegal site being opened elsewhere by the travellers. We need to get them moved but we also have to ensure that the problem doesn't resurface a few miles away again, which costs the council tax payers more millions in lawyers bills.
Andrew wrote:
Typical Labour, putting the rights of law breakers before the rights of the law abiding majority. Which is why Labour will be relegated to third party status at the general election.
Backed by 40 MPs across
ALL parties.
The problem of course is that eviction now would no doubt mean another illegal site being opened elsewhere by the travellers. We need to get them moved but we also have to ensure that the problem doesn't resurface a few miles away again, which costs the council tax payers more millions in lawyers bills.
Posted by: shallotman, Basildon on 9:53am Tue 13 May 08
Maybe the solution is that the traveller's sites be designated as part of the Olympics.[italic]italic[/italic]
Maybe the solution is that the traveller's sites be designated as part of the Olympics.
Posted by: Andrew, Shoeburyness on 9:54am Tue 13 May 08
[italic]'as up to 40 MPs of all parties agreed to sign a letter calling on the council [bold]not[/bold] to stop pursuing evictions.'[/italic]
'as up to 40 MPs of all parties agreed to sign a letter calling on the council not to stop pursuing evictions.' Posted by: V.Meldrew, Benfleet on 10:04am Tue 13 May 08
Basildon Council should use the extension of time to properly identify and means test every resident on the sites - both legal and illegal.
All housing, benefit and welfare organisations in conjunction with Tax and Inland Revenue have the power to do this without consent if they need to.They should do this to identify just who "needs" housing and who does not.
All vehicles on the sites could also be checked against DVLA records and if they don't tally - crush them.
This is not against their rights, simply something that the rest of us accept every day of our lives.
It might even succeed in getting them moving faster than any Court order!
Basildon Council should use the extension of time to properly identify and means test every resident on the sites - both legal and illegal.
All housing, benefit and welfare organisations in conjunction with Tax and Inland Revenue have the power to do this without consent if they need to.They should do this to identify just who "needs" housing and who does not.
All vehicles on the sites could also be checked against DVLA records and if they don't tally - crush them.
This is not against their rights, simply something that the rest of us accept every day of our lives.
It might even succeed in getting them moving faster than any Court order!
Posted by: Nigel on 10:06am Tue 13 May 08
This explains why Labour will never again be a serious contender for power, either locally or nationally.
It is time to wipe them from the electoral map and move on. Dinosaur politics, favouring scroungers and spongers has no place in modern Britain.
This explains why Labour will never again be a serious contender for power, either locally or nationally.
It is time to wipe them from the electoral map and move on. Dinosaur politics, favouring scroungers and spongers has no place in modern Britain.
Posted by: mike b, Billericay on 10:44am Tue 13 May 08
Echo's story has changed - earlier it said 40 MP's supported the council,now it's saying the opposite but I'm sure the council will know that most of the MP's saying nothing are actually right behind them.
As for the 40 MP's urging the council to back off,it looks like they have read the court judgement and drawn appropriate conclusions about the proximity of the end of the road.
Echo's story has changed - earlier it said 40 MP's supported the council,now it's saying the opposite but I'm sure the council will know that most of the MP's saying nothing are actually right behind them.
As for the 40 MP's urging the council to back off,it looks like they have read the court judgement and drawn appropriate conclusions about the proximity of the end of the road.
Posted by: Gary, Basildon on 11:22am Tue 13 May 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
[italic]\\\'as up to 40 MPs of all parties agreed to sign a letter calling on the council [bold]not[/bold] to stop pursuing evictions.\\\'[/italic] [/quote] no [bold]not[/bold] in the report I read.
Andrew wrote:
'as up to 40 MPs of all parties agreed to sign a letter calling on the council not to stop pursuing evictions.'
no
not in the report I read.
Posted by: Jane, Basildon on 11:58am Tue 13 May 08
[quote][bold]V.Meldrew[/bold] wrote:
Basildon Council should use the extension of time to properly identify and means test every resident on the sites - both legal and illegal. All housing, benefit and welfare organisations in conjunction with Tax and Inland Revenue have the power to do this without consent if they need to.They should do this to identify just who "needs" housing and who does not. All vehicles on the sites could also be checked against DVLA records and if they don't tally - crush them. This is not against their rights, simply something that the rest of us accept every day of our lives. It might even succeed in getting them moving faster than any Court order! [/quote] I completely agree with this. The difficulty will be finding someone at the Benefits Agency who has enough of a spine to instigate it!
V.Meldrew wrote:
Basildon Council should use the extension of time to properly identify and means test every resident on the sites - both legal and illegal. All housing, benefit and welfare organisations in conjunction with Tax and Inland Revenue have the power to do this without consent if they need to.They should do this to identify just who "needs" housing and who does not. All vehicles on the sites could also be checked against DVLA records and if they don't tally - crush them. This is not against their rights, simply something that the rest of us accept every day of our lives. It might even succeed in getting them moving faster than any Court order!
I completely agree with this. The difficulty will be finding someone at the Benefits Agency who has enough of a spine to instigate it!
Posted by: jimbo, bilericay on 12:19pm Tue 13 May 08
[quote][bold]V.Meldrew[/bold] wrote:
Basildon Council should use the extension of time to properly identify and means test every resident on the sites - both legal and illegal.
All housing, benefit and welfare organisations in conjunction with Tax and Inland Revenue have the power to do this without consent if they need to.They should do this to identify just who "needs" housing and who does not.
All vehicles on the sites could also be checked against DVLA records and if they don't tally - crush them.
This is not against their rights, simply something that the rest of us accept every day of our lives.
It might even succeed in getting them moving faster than any Court order! [/quote] Well said, Meldew, ol' chap.
Is there anyone out there qualified to advise us as to why these Outlaws never appear to be investigated by the the applicable agencies.
Words like 'Benefit abuse', Tax avoidance', Illegal Utility connections, Anti-social behaviour, Law and Order, and general identification issues and Health and Safety immediately spring to mind.
Nobody would connect services to my caravan in my field, so why do they do it??
V.Meldrew wrote:
Basildon Council should use the extension of time to properly identify and means test every resident on the sites - both legal and illegal.
All housing, benefit and welfare organisations in conjunction with Tax and Inland Revenue have the power to do this without consent if they need to.They should do this to identify just who "needs" housing and who does not.
All vehicles on the sites could also be checked against DVLA records and if they don't tally - crush them.
This is not against their rights, simply something that the rest of us accept every day of our lives.
It might even succeed in getting them moving faster than any Court order!
Well said, Meldew, ol' chap.
Is there anyone out there qualified to advise us as to why these Outlaws never appear to be investigated by the the applicable agencies.
Words like 'Benefit abuse', Tax avoidance', Illegal Utility connections, Anti-social behaviour, Law and Order, and general identification issues and Health and Safety immediately spring to mind.
Nobody would connect services to my caravan in my field, so why do they do it??
Posted by: Paul on 3:37pm Tue 13 May 08
[quote][bold]Sherry[/bold] wrote:
Typical resonse from Labour, sucking up to the whims of non-conformists. As for the pictures in the paper yesterday, well, i would just like to go to that court and rip that sign off above the heads of those women, where has 'justice' been served there then?, and where are the men from Dale Farm?, anyone would think only women lived there. This government would do well to sit back and contemplate how to claw back the 18 million a year it costs to evict these travellers, money which comes out of MY wages. I can't wait for a general election to get these nobs out who are so out of touch with reality it's untrue.[/quote] [quote]Where are the men from Dale Farm?[/quote]
I reckon they must be camera shy Sherry!?!?!
Sherry wrote:
Typical resonse from Labour, sucking up to the whims of non-conformists. As for the pictures in the paper yesterday, well, i would just like to go to that court and rip that sign off above the heads of those women, where has 'justice' been served there then?, and where are the men from Dale Farm?, anyone would think only women lived there. This government would do well to sit back and contemplate how to claw back the 18 million a year it costs to evict these travellers, money which comes out of MY wages. I can't wait for a general election to get these nobs out who are so out of touch with reality it's untrue.
Where are the men from Dale Farm?
I reckon they must be camera shy Sherry!?!?!
Posted by: The Vicar, In his Gnomemobile on 3:48pm Tue 13 May 08
I hate to say it but it's the kind of response you'd expect from Labour these days.
They know their only votes will come from the minority groups now as the masses have given up on them completely.
Desperation.
I hate to say it but it's the kind of response you'd expect from Labour these days.
They know their only votes will come from the minority groups now as the masses have given up on them completely.
Desperation.
Posted by: Jason, Crays Hill on 5:57pm Tue 13 May 08
Just how much money are these scum paying the Labour traitors in backhanders???
Just how much money are these scum paying the Labour traitors in backhanders???
Posted by: Kim Gandy, Rayleigh on 5:59pm Tue 13 May 08
[quote][bold]Sherry[/bold] wrote:
Typical resonse from Labour, sucking up to the whims of non-conformists. As for the pictures in the paper yesterday, well, i would just like to go to that court and rip that sign off above the heads of those women, where has \'justice\' been served there then?, and where are the men from Dale Farm?, anyone would think only women lived there. This government would do well to sit back and contemplate how to claw back the 18 million a year it costs to evict these travellers, money which comes out of MY wages. I can\'t wait for a general election to get these nobs out who are so out of touch with reality it\'s untrue.[/quote] [quote]Lynda Gordon, Labour group leader, said: "This is not only about enforcing planning law, but about treating people with genuine needs fairly and with compassion.[/quote]
Well just you wait and see Lynda, when your party gets a thorough pasting at the next general election.
I wonder why Gord hasn't yet asked US who we want for prime minister?
As for the masses deserting labour, the only thing that worries me Vicar, is the fact that this government is openly importing voters.
I speak to my foreign colleagues who are under the mistaken impression that this is a good government.
Of course it is, as far as they are concerned. But I am on a crusade to inform them exactly how this government is using them for cheap labour and replacing lost votes.
I have no truck with my Polish and Philippino - and African colleagues because they work hard and I get on great with them - but I am going to leave them under no illusion as to what kind of regime they are working under.
Sherry, they ALWAYS operate this way. Shove the women and children in the front line when the TV cameras start rolling. I should know, having been there, face to face with the McCarthy woman.
The men have even have their faces blanked out when they are in camera shot. Now I wonder why that is? Anybody who has nothing to hide doesn't have their faces blanked out.
It's the same with evictions, shoving their children in the way of vehicles and machinery and then claiming that the bailiffs are endangering their children's lives.
They know every trick in the book, every wrinkle and every loophole - and they exploit it to the max.
You only have to look at the quotes issued by Sheridan when acting as spokesman - and McCarthy for that matter.
You just know their do gooders are writing it all - and their fatcat lawyers are supplying all the info about racism and discrimination. Words they would never have heard of until such people put them into their heads.
It's all so blatant and inyerface and I singularly fail to understand why they still incur support from brainwashed individuals who have an inate inability to see the wood for the trees. It never ceases to amaze me, particularly in the case of the professional do gooders.
Incidentally, from contacting Lord Avebury, Clive Mardner and others instrumental in the recent £12,000 community centre travesty, I received replies only from Avebury.
Full of wishy washy politically correct garbage in which he makes it obvious he understands they are breaking the law and he appears to be not only going along with it but openly encouraging it by being at the official opening.
He has no concept of the good old British "fairness and listening to two sides of the story" concept and seems to live in a Cloud Cuckoo Land Nirvana where everybody and everything exists equally - or should do.
He just ignores the inequalities abd the discrimination against local people and seems ignorant of all the other issues surrounding this case.
He totally ignored my questions about slaves. So his Human Rights benevolence obviously doesn't extend to down and outs who are being exploited.
Unbelievable.
Only when you talk to these people do you understand just exactly how out of touch and intrinsically stupid they really are.
Sherry wrote:
Typical resonse from Labour, sucking up to the whims of non-conformists. As for the pictures in the paper yesterday, well, i would just like to go to that court and rip that sign off above the heads of those women, where has \'justice\' been served there then?, and where are the men from Dale Farm?, anyone would think only women lived there. This government would do well to sit back and contemplate how to claw back the 18 million a year it costs to evict these travellers, money which comes out of MY wages. I can\'t wait for a general election to get these nobs out who are so out of touch with reality it\'s untrue.
Lynda Gordon, Labour group leader, said: "This is not only about enforcing planning law, but about treating people with genuine needs fairly and with compassion.
Well just you wait and see Lynda, when your party gets a thorough pasting at the next general election.
I wonder why Gord hasn't yet asked US who we want for prime minister?
As for the masses deserting labour, the only thing that worries me Vicar, is the fact that this government is openly importing voters.
I speak to my foreign colleagues who are under the mistaken impression that this is a good government.
Of course it is, as far as they are concerned. But I am on a crusade to inform them exactly how this government is using them for cheap labour and replacing lost votes.
I have no truck with my Polish and Philippino - and African colleagues because they work hard and I get on great with them - but I am going to leave them under no illusion as to what kind of regime they are working under.
Sherry, they ALWAYS operate this way. Shove the women and children in the front line when the TV cameras start rolling. I should know, having been there, face to face with the McCarthy woman.
The men have even have their faces blanked out when they are in camera shot. Now I wonder why that is? Anybody who has nothing to hide doesn't have their faces blanked out.
It's the same with evictions, shoving their children in the way of vehicles and machinery and then claiming that the bailiffs are endangering their children's lives.
They know every trick in the book, every wrinkle and every loophole - and they exploit it to the max.
You only have to look at the quotes issued by Sheridan when acting as spokesman - and McCarthy for that matter.
You just know their do gooders are writing it all - and their fatcat lawyers are supplying all the info about racism and discrimination. Words they would never have heard of until such people put them into their heads.
It's all so blatant and inyerface and I singularly fail to understand why they still incur support from brainwashed individuals who have an inate inability to see the wood for the trees. It never ceases to amaze me, particularly in the case of the professional do gooders.
Incidentally, from contacting Lord Avebury, Clive Mardner and others instrumental in the recent £12,000 community centre travesty, I received replies only from Avebury.
Full of wishy washy politically correct garbage in which he makes it obvious he understands they are breaking the law and he appears to be not only going along with it but openly encouraging it by being at the official opening.
He has no concept of the good old British "fairness and listening to two sides of the story" concept and seems to live in a Cloud Cuckoo Land Nirvana where everybody and everything exists equally - or should do.
He just ignores the inequalities abd the discrimination against local people and seems ignorant of all the other issues surrounding this case.
He totally ignored my questions about slaves. So his Human Rights benevolence obviously doesn't extend to down and outs who are being exploited.
Unbelievable.
Only when you talk to these people do you understand just exactly how out of touch and intrinsically stupid they really are.
Posted by: wellblowme, Anywhere but here on 6:35pm Tue 13 May 08
Why is the [bold]'proposed eviction protocol meeting'[/bold] being held in Brentwwod when Brentwood have no traveller sites?
Brentwood residents were sent a questionaire last year that was so full of legal speak and jargon that it was impossible to answer. The result was no traveller sites approved!!! due to public response!
Basildon is the dumping ground in Essex for all these people, but who has seen any questionaire or poll directed at the taxpayer ? I can answer that question... no one!
Why is the
'proposed eviction protocol meeting' being held in Brentwwod when Brentwood have no traveller sites?
Brentwood residents were sent a questionaire last year that was so full of legal speak and jargon that it was impossible to answer. The result was no traveller sites approved!!! due to public response!
Basildon is the dumping ground in Essex for all these people, but who has seen any questionaire or poll directed at the taxpayer ? I can answer that question... no one!
Posted by: undertaker, crays hill on 6:48pm Tue 13 May 08
[quote][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sherry[/bold] wrote: Typical resonse from Labour, sucking up to the whims of non-conformists. As for the pictures in the paper yesterday, well, i would just like to go to that court and rip that sign off above the heads of those women, where has \'justice\' been served there then?, and where are the men from Dale Farm?, anyone would think only women lived there. This government would do well to sit back and contemplate how to claw back the 18 million a year it costs to evict these travellers, money which comes out of MY wages. I can\'t wait for a general election to get these nobs out who are so out of touch with reality it\'s untrue.[/quote] [quote]Lynda Gordon, Labour group leader, said: "This is not only about enforcing planning law, but about treating people with genuine needs fairly and with compassion.[/quote] Well just you wait and see Lynda, when your party gets a thorough pasting at the next general election. I wonder why Gord hasn't yet asked US who we want for prime minister? As for the masses deserting labour, the only thing that worries me Vicar, is the fact that this government is openly importing voters. I speak to my foreign colleagues who are under the mistaken impression that this is a good government. Of course it is, as far as they are concerned. But I am on a crusade to inform them exactly how this government is using them for cheap labour and replacing lost votes. I have no truck with my Polish and Philippino - and African colleagues because they work hard and I get on great with them - but I am going to leave them under no illusion as to what kind of regime they are working under. Sherry, they ALWAYS operate this way. Shove the women and children in the front line when the TV cameras start rolling. I should know, having been there, face to face with the McCarthy woman. The men have even have their faces blanked out when they are in camera shot. Now I wonder why that is? Anybody who has nothing to hide doesn't have their faces blanked out. It's the same with evictions, shoving their children in the way of vehicles and machinery and then claiming that the bailiffs are endangering their children's lives. They know every trick in the book, every wrinkle and every loophole - and they exploit it to the max. You only have to look at the quotes issued by Sheridan when acting as spokesman - and McCarthy for that matter. You just know their do gooders are writing it all - and their fatcat lawyers are supplying all the info about racism and discrimination. Words they would never have heard of until such people put them into their heads. It's all so blatant and inyerface and I singularly fail to understand why they still incur support from brainwashed individuals who have an inate inability to see the wood for the trees. It never ceases to amaze me, particularly in the case of the professional do gooders. Incidentally, from contacting Lord Avebury, Clive Mardner and others instrumental in the recent £12,000 community centre travesty, I received replies only from Avebury. Full of wishy washy politically correct garbage in which he makes it obvious he understands they are breaking the law and he appears to be not only going along with it but openly encouraging it by being at the official opening. He has no concept of the good old British "fairness and listening to two sides of the story" concept and seems to live in a Cloud Cuckoo Land Nirvana where everybody and everything exists equally - or should do. He just ignores the inequalities abd the discrimination against local people and seems ignorant of all the other issues surrounding this case. He totally ignored my questions about slaves. So his Human Rights benevolence obviously doesn't extend to down and outs who are being exploited. Unbelievable. Only when you talk to these people do you understand just exactly how out of touch and intrinsically stupid they really are. [/quote] These are the very same people who try to convince us that islam is a religion of peace.So i dont expect anymore from their so called perfect world of idealism.
They should start to look at the world as it is and not how they pretend it to be.
Kim Gandy wrote:
Sherry wrote: Typical resonse from Labour, sucking up to the whims of non-conformists. As for the pictures in the paper yesterday, well, i would just like to go to that court and rip that sign off above the heads of those women, where has \'justice\' been served there then?, and where are the men from Dale Farm?, anyone would think only women lived there. This government would do well to sit back and contemplate how to claw back the 18 million a year it costs to evict these travellers, money which comes out of MY wages. I can\'t wait for a general election to get these nobs out who are so out of touch with reality it\'s untrue.
Lynda Gordon, Labour group leader, said: "This is not only about enforcing planning law, but about treating people with genuine needs fairly and with compassion.
Well just you wait and see Lynda, when your party gets a thorough pasting at the next general election. I wonder why Gord hasn't yet asked US who we want for prime minister? As for the masses deserting labour, the only thing that worries me Vicar, is the fact that this government is openly importing voters. I speak to my foreign colleagues who are under the mistaken impression that this is a good government. Of course it is, as far as they are concerned. But I am on a crusade to inform them exactly how this government is using them for cheap labour and replacing lost votes. I have no truck with my Polish and Philippino - and African colleagues because they work hard and I get on great with them - but I am going to leave them under no illusion as to what kind of regime they are working under. Sherry, they ALWAYS operate this way. Shove the women and children in the front line when the TV cameras start rolling. I should know, having been there, face to face with the McCarthy woman. The men have even have their faces blanked out when they are in camera shot. Now I wonder why that is? Anybody who has nothing to hide doesn't have their faces blanked out. It's the same with evictions, shoving their children in the way of vehicles and machinery and then claiming that the bailiffs are endangering their children's lives. They know every trick in the book, every wrinkle and every loophole - and they exploit it to the max. You only have to look at the quotes issued by Sheridan when acting as spokesman - and McCarthy for that matter. You just know their do gooders are writing it all - and their fatcat lawyers are supplying all the info about racism and discrimination. Words they would never have heard of until such people put them into their heads. It's all so blatant and inyerface and I singularly fail to understand why they still incur support from brainwashed individuals who have an inate inability to see the wood for the trees. It never ceases to amaze me, particularly in the case of the professional do gooders. Incidentally, from contacting Lord Avebury, Clive Mardner and others instrumental in the recent £12,000 community centre travesty, I received replies only from Avebury. Full of wishy washy politically correct garbage in which he makes it obvious he understands they are breaking the law and he appears to be not only going along with it but openly encouraging it by being at the official opening. He has no concept of the good old British "fairness and listening to two sides of the story" concept and seems to live in a Cloud Cuckoo Land Nirvana where everybody and everything exists equally - or should do. He just ignores the inequalities abd the discrimination against local people and seems ignorant of all the other issues surrounding this case. He totally ignored my questions about slaves. So his Human Rights benevolence obviously doesn't extend to down and outs who are being exploited. Unbelievable. Only when you talk to these people do you understand just exactly how out of touch and intrinsically stupid they really are.
These are the very same people who try to convince us that islam is a religion of peace.So i dont expect anymore from their so called perfect world of idealism.
They should start to look at the world as it is and not how they pretend it to be.
Posted by: Clueless, Cuckoo Land on 7:31pm Tue 13 May 08
[quote][bold]Daniel[/bold] wrote:
Well done the Labour representatives. Lynda Gordon seems to prefer common sense to appeasing the bigoted mob. Some people in the area really do talk about the Travellers in the same way that the Nazis talked about not only Travellers, but Jews and others too.[/quote] Blast those Nazi's and their horrendous treatment of Irish Travellers
What on Earth are you on about?
Daniel wrote:
Well done the Labour representatives. Lynda Gordon seems to prefer common sense to appeasing the bigoted mob. Some people in the area really do talk about the Travellers in the same way that the Nazis talked about not only Travellers, but Jews and others too.
Blast those Nazi's and their horrendous treatment of Irish Travellers
What on Earth are you on about?
Posted by: undertaker, crays hill on 8:10pm Tue 13 May 08
[quote][bold]Daniel[/bold] wrote:
Well done the Labour representatives. Lynda Gordon seems to prefer common sense to appeasing the bigoted mob. Some people in the area really do talk about the Travellers in the same way that the Nazis talked about not only Travellers, but Jews and others too.[/quote] You do talk bo11ocks dont you.
Daniel wrote:
Well done the Labour representatives. Lynda Gordon seems to prefer common sense to appeasing the bigoted mob. Some people in the area really do talk about the Travellers in the same way that the Nazis talked about not only Travellers, but Jews and others too.
You do talk bo11ocks dont you.
Posted by: Fed up, Southend on 10:30pm Tue 13 May 08
Labour - thank you for increasing the support of the BNP.
I have had enough of cowardly politicians and only the BNP will get my vote from now on. And if they ever get full power you labourites had better get running.
Labour - thank you for increasing the support of the BNP.
I have had enough of cowardly politicians and only the BNP will get my vote from now on. And if they ever get full power you labourites had better get running.
Posted by: A Resident on 11:06pm Tue 13 May 08
[quote][bold]Sherry[/bold] wrote:
Typical resonse from Labour, sucking up to the whims of non-conformists. As for the pictures in the paper yesterday, well, i would just like to go to that court and rip that sign off above the heads of those women, where has 'justice' been served there then?, and where are the men from Dale Farm?, anyone would think only women lived there. This government would do well to sit back and contemplate how to claw back the 18 million a year it costs to evict these travellers, money which comes out of MY wages. I can't wait for a general election to get these nobs out who are so out of touch with reality it's untrue.[/quote] Let's ask Lisa if she can find out why we never see any men folk shall we - maybe she has the answer, as I, like you Sherry, are very curious indeed as to their absence in such important matters.
Sherry wrote:
Typical resonse from Labour, sucking up to the whims of non-conformists. As for the pictures in the paper yesterday, well, i would just like to go to that court and rip that sign off above the heads of those women, where has 'justice' been served there then?, and where are the men from Dale Farm?, anyone would think only women lived there. This government would do well to sit back and contemplate how to claw back the 18 million a year it costs to evict these travellers, money which comes out of MY wages. I can't wait for a general election to get these nobs out who are so out of touch with reality it's untrue.
Let's ask Lisa if she can find out why we never see any men folk shall we - maybe she has the answer, as I, like you Sherry, are very curious indeed as to their absence in such important matters.
Posted by: Derek Mace, Wickford on 11:42pm Tue 13 May 08
This has all gone on for far too long, everyone talks and nobody acts. BNP get my vote next time around perhaps they can do something ,this bloody mob can`t.
This has all gone on for far too long, everyone talks and nobody acts. BNP get my vote next time around perhaps they can do something ,this bloody mob can`t.
Posted by: Hovefields resident, Wickford on 12:07am Wed 14 May 08
The settled community still have to live with these low life benefit scroungers. Still we are suffering abuse and our needs and safety are completely ignored.
Lynda Gordon, Labour group leader, said: "This is not only about enforcing planning law, but about treating people with genuine needs fairly and with compassion". She is talking rubbish, they do not know the meaning of genuine needs, she should come and stay here for a week and then she would see that they do not deserve this right. For godsake can't someone have the backbone to get rid of them they are evil. We have been let down so badly by the government and the judicial system it is grossly, immoral and downright scandalous.
The settled community still have to live with these low life benefit scroungers. Still we are suffering abuse and our needs and safety are completely ignored.
Lynda Gordon, Labour group leader, said: "This is not only about enforcing planning law, but about treating people with genuine needs fairly and with compassion". She is talking rubbish, they do not know the meaning of genuine needs, she should come and stay here for a week and then she would see that they do not deserve this right. For godsake can't someone have the backbone to get rid of them they are evil. We have been let down so badly by the government and the judicial system it is grossly, immoral and downright scandalous.
Posted by: Sherry, At work :( on 8:54am Wed 14 May 08
I just want to know why the word 'BIGOT' and 'NAZI' always crop up when there is a discussion about the travellers. I am not prejudiced, i don't have an irrational opinion, i am not causing harm to someone's rights, and i am certainly not a supporter of the Nazi's!. It wouldn't matter to me who they were or where they came from, my feelings would still be the same, they shouldn't be there, they are taking the p1ss, and they should be made to leave. It was their decision to live this life, they were not forced into it, they are not homeless, so why should our money be spent funding this fiasco?
(I'm so glad Labour are acting in this way too, it just means even more nails in the coffin, roll on that election) :)
I just want to know why the word 'BIGOT' and 'NAZI' always crop up when there is a discussion about the travellers. I am not prejudiced, i don't have an irrational opinion, i am not causing harm to someone's rights, and i am certainly not a supporter of the Nazi's!. It wouldn't matter to me who they were or where they came from, my feelings would still be the same, they shouldn't be there, they are taking the p1ss, and they should be made to leave. It was their decision to live this life, they were not forced into it, they are not homeless, so why should our money be spent funding this fiasco?
(I'm so glad Labour are acting in this way too, it just means even more nails in the coffin, roll on that election) :)
Posted by: Andrew, Shoeburyness on 9:05am Wed 14 May 08
[bold]Sherry, as I sid earlier, it is '[italic]Godwin's Law[/italic] ' (google it). In all internet debates, sooner or later the losing side will compare someone or something to Hitler or the Nazis.[/bold]
Sherry, as I sid earlier, it is 'Godwin's Law ' (google it). In all internet debates, sooner or later the losing side will compare someone or something to Hitler or the Nazis. Posted by: undertaker, crays hill on 9:24am Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]Sherry[/bold] wrote:
I just want to know why the word 'BIGOT' and 'NAZI' always crop up when there is a discussion about the travellers. I am not prejudiced, i don't have an irrational opinion, i am not causing harm to someone's rights, and i am certainly not a supporter of the Nazi's!. It wouldn't matter to me who they were or where they came from, my feelings would still be the same, they shouldn't be there, they are taking the p1ss, and they should be made to leave. It was their decision to live this life, they were not forced into it, they are not homeless, so why should our money be spent funding this fiasco? (I'm so glad Labour are acting in this way too, it just means even more nails in the coffin, roll on that election) :)[/quote] The easiest way to answer those gullible fools is to read my answer to daniel.:)
Sherry wrote:
I just want to know why the word 'BIGOT' and 'NAZI' always crop up when there is a discussion about the travellers. I am not prejudiced, i don't have an irrational opinion, i am not causing harm to someone's rights, and i am certainly not a supporter of the Nazi's!. It wouldn't matter to me who they were or where they came from, my feelings would still be the same, they shouldn't be there, they are taking the p1ss, and they should be made to leave. It was their decision to live this life, they were not forced into it, they are not homeless, so why should our money be spent funding this fiasco? (I'm so glad Labour are acting in this way too, it just means even more nails in the coffin, roll on that election) :)
The easiest way to answer those gullible fools is to read my answer to daniel.:)
Posted by: undertaker, crays hill on 9:31am Wed 14 May 08
Just read it andrew very interesting and very accurate.
There's a hell of a lot of nazis on this site.....!
sieg heil...! :)
Just read it andrew very interesting and very accurate.
There's a hell of a lot of nazis on this site.....!
sieg heil...! :)
Posted by: Andrew, Shoeburyness on 12:06pm Wed 14 May 08
[bold]The apologists for these lawbreakers are even turning up on Youtube now:[/bold]
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=3JAyI-oB5
dc
The apologists for these lawbreakers are even turning up on Youtube now:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=3JAyI-oB5
dc
Posted by: jimbo, billericay on 2:32pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
[bold]The apologists for these lawbreakers are even turning up on Youtube now:[/bold]
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=3JAyI-oB5
dc[/quote] Jeeze, I could not watch it for long. How much lying do they think they can get away with. "Oh, the children", "we have nowhere to go", "heavy handed police", "poor effing us".
I'm afraid, you Crays Hill residents, that unless you get yourselves organised, this load of Outlaws will get their own way in the end and then Gawd help us all!!
Andrew wrote:
The apologists for these lawbreakers are even turning up on Youtube now:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=3JAyI-oB5
dc
Jeeze, I could not watch it for long. How much lying do they think they can get away with. "Oh, the children", "we have nowhere to go", "heavy handed police", "poor effing us".
I'm afraid, you Crays Hill residents, that unless you get yourselves organised, this load of Outlaws will get their own way in the end and then Gawd help us all!!
Posted by: Sherry, At work :( on 5:48pm Wed 14 May 08
Kim - What sort of people would put the most precious gift of a child into the firing line of an eviction? Any normal human being would shield them from harms way.
Paul - I guess you are right.
A Resident - Some how i don't think Lisa will answer that one!
Undertaker - You're right - It's double b0ll0cks :)
Kim - What sort of people would put the most precious gift of a child into the firing line of an eviction? Any normal human being would shield them from harms way.
Paul - I guess you are right.
A Resident - Some how i don't think Lisa will answer that one!
Undertaker - You're right - It's double b0ll0cks :)
Posted by: Sherry, At work :( on 5:50pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Sherry, as I sid earlier, it is '[italic]Godwin's Law[/italic] ' (google it). In all internet debates, sooner or later the losing side will compare someone or something to Hitler or the Nazis.[/bold] [/quote] Thanks, i learnt something new today :)
Andrew wrote:
Sherry, as I sid earlier, it is 'Godwin's Law ' (google it). In all internet debates, sooner or later the losing side will compare someone or something to Hitler or the Nazis.
Thanks, i learnt something new today :)
Posted by: bonzer, essex on 6:02pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]jimbo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote: [bold]The apologists for these lawbreakers are even turning up on Youtube now:[/bold] http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=3JAyI-oB5 dc[/quote] Jeeze, I could not watch it for long. How much lying do they think they can get away with. "Oh, the children", "we have nowhere to go", "heavy handed police", "poor effing us". I'm afraid, you Crays Hill residents, that unless you get yourselves organised, this load of Outlaws will get their own way in the end and then Gawd help us all!! [/quote] The stuff on You Tube,like the 40 MP's signing a letter is propaganda but it's getting more desperate since the court judgement last week put the writing on the wall.
If they were going to get their own way - all staying where they are with planning consent - it would already have happened.
I think you'll find that the people in Crays Hill are better organised and better informed than you might think.
jimbo wrote:
Andrew wrote: The apologists for these lawbreakers are even turning up on Youtube now: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=3JAyI-oB5 dc
Jeeze, I could not watch it for long. How much lying do they think they can get away with. "Oh, the children", "we have nowhere to go", "heavy handed police", "poor effing us". I'm afraid, you Crays Hill residents, that unless you get yourselves organised, this load of Outlaws will get their own way in the end and then Gawd help us all!!
The stuff on You Tube,like the 40 MP's signing a letter is propaganda but it's getting more desperate since the court judgement last week put the writing on the wall.
If they were going to get their own way - all staying where they are with planning consent - it would already have happened.
I think you'll find that the people in Crays Hill are better organised and better informed than you might think.
Posted by: Andrew, Shoeburyness on 6:46pm Wed 14 May 08
[bold]Bonzer, its all the pc liberal messages supporting these criminals under the video that get me.[/bold]
Bonzer, its all the pc liberal messages supporting these criminals under the video that get me. Posted by: bonzer, essex on 10:43pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Bonzer, its all the pc liberal messages supporting these criminals under the video that get me.[/bold] [/quote] Andrew - it's very hard to ignore them but a lot of it is just a wind up and I don't think they have any real influence - at least I hope not !
Andrew wrote:
Bonzer, its all the pc liberal messages supporting these criminals under the video that get me.
Andrew - it's very hard to ignore them but a lot of it is just a wind up and I don't think they have any real influence - at least I hope not !
Posted by: Godwin on 1:28pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Godwin's Law within 8 posts. Is that a record?[/bold] [/quote] It must be close.
Not only that, but within 22 posts we have the equally inevitable (and equally futile) mention of do-gooders.
Perhaps we should call it Gandy's Corollary to Godwin's Law.
You saw it here first folks.
(Apart from the other 245,564 times she's done it)
Andrew wrote:
Godwin's Law within 8 posts. Is that a record?
It must be close.
Not only that, but within 22 posts we have the equally inevitable (and equally futile) mention of do-gooders.
Perhaps we should call it Gandy's Corollary to Godwin's Law.
You saw it here first folks.
(Apart from the other 245,564 times she's done it)
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