Fears over loose rubbish fueling rat infestation (From Echo)

However critics are worried about rodent infestation fuelled by loose litter, especially in poorer areas,

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Why should poorer people litter more than anyone else?

It's either a sweeping generalisation or providing them with cart blanche to do so.

Rochford Rob wrote:
However critics are worried about rodent infestation fuelled by loose litter, especially in poorer areas,

????

Why should poorer people litter more than anyone else?

It's either a sweeping generalisation or providing them with cart blanche to do so.

Poorer people are more likely to spend money on food than black bin bags.

It took decades to build up a prosperous country, with good services to ensure a clean and safe environment, and now all that effort is carelessly being thrown to the four winds just to save but a few measly quid here and there.
Council people, come closer, I need to say something... closer... a little closer...
GET YOUR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER FIRST. There are hundreds of thousands to be saved on your wage bill alone by removing unnecessary jobs at the top, removing the consultancy system and the resulting exhorbitant fees, removing over-paid temporary management and cutting the salaries of highly paid fat cats at the head of the council and it's departments. And that, I dare say would just be a small fraction of what you could save if you put your mind to it.
It's about time councillors started to work for the people who actually elect them rather than ensuring they, and the fat cats they employ, remain comfortable during what promises to be a violent storm, a storm which is almost upon us.

emcee wrote:
It took decades to build up a prosperous country, with good services to ensure a clean and safe environment, and now all that effort is carelessly being thrown to the four winds just to save but a few measly quid here and there.
Council people, come closer, I need to say something... closer... a little closer...
GET YOUR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER FIRST. There are hundreds of thousands to be saved on your wage bill alone by removing unnecessary jobs at the top, removing the consultancy system and the resulting exhorbitant fees, removing over-paid temporary management and cutting the salaries of highly paid fat cats at the head of the council and it's departments. And that, I dare say would just be a small fraction of what you could save if you put your mind to it.
It's about time councillors started to work for the people who actually elect them rather than ensuring they, and the fat cats they employ, remain comfortable during what promises to be a violent storm, a storm which is almost upon us.

Well said.

emcee wrote:
It took decades to build up a prosperous country, with good services to ensure a clean and safe environment, and now all that effort is carelessly being thrown to the four winds just to save but a few measly quid here and there.
Council people, come closer, I need to say something... closer... a little closer...
GET YOUR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER FIRST. There are hundreds of thousands to be saved on your wage bill alone by removing unnecessary jobs at the top, removing the consultancy system and the resulting exhorbitant fees, removing over-paid temporary management and cutting the salaries of highly paid fat cats at the head of the council and it's departments. And that, I dare say would just be a small fraction of what you could save if you put your mind to it.
It's about time councillors started to work for the people who actually elect them rather than ensuring they, and the fat cats they employ, remain comfortable during what promises to be a violent storm, a storm which is almost upon us.

These are the Victorian values the tories love so much.

there is no excuses, 99p for a roll of black bin bags is hardly gonna break anyones piggy bank

there is a housing association estate close to where i live, that was brand new about 20 years ago, yet you walk around it now, its like a run down slum. What is their excuse, when they moved in these houses were brand new, yet because they are rental, they have the attitude "it aint mine so i dont care" wtf. its your home, you live in it. People create slums, not the other way round.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rochford Rob wrote: However critics are worried about rodent infestation fuelled by loose litter, especially in poorer areas, ???? Why should poorer people litter more than anyone else? It's either a sweeping generalisation or providing them with cart blanche to do so.

Poorer people are more likely to spend money on food than black bin bags.

Really or is that poorer areas tend to be council house areas the occupants are tenants and many of them don,t give a sh4t,, how many matresses are in front gardens on the marine estate as opposed to the woodgrange. But i doubt a bin bag bag free or not would actually stop a rat or stray dog.

Can I just say that yes the council have had to stop the supply of black bin bags, however, they will be providing bio degradable food waste bags instead. I would much rather pay for black sacks than meet the cost of the food bags and who knows, maybe if people started to put their food in them or the already funded and provided food waste bins we wouldnt have the problem of Rats? Just a thought. Everyone in Southend either has already, or can obtain, food waste bins, if you have'nt then it is your own fault. Stop being lazy and dispose of your food responsibly before those that do take extra care have to suffer for your idleness. Yes people criticise the council, but if the government did'nt have to cut the budgets allocated to each authority due to the strain and demand on the system, then the local authority would be able to provide such things but as it stands money is much better used elsewhere such as in service provission. It's bin bags for god's sake. If you can afford the junk and takeaway food as clearly displayed in the picture above then you can afford a roll of sacks. People are never satisfied and it makes me sick. Take a moment to read the breakdown of the budget when it is available and see for yourself what has to be met.There are many unnecessary strains on the public purse, most of which unfortunately are down to people abusing the system and claiming for what they are not entitled to, and believe it or not this happens in Southend too. I hope that the council clamp down hard on all those in the borough and strip them of what they are not entitled to, that way, we can have the luxury of bin bags but until that happens we have to deal with it and thats that.

emcee wrote:
It took decades to build up a prosperous country, with good services to ensure a clean and safe environment, and now all that effort is carelessly being thrown to the four winds just to save but a few measly quid here and there.
Council people, come closer, I need to say something... closer... a little closer...
GET YOUR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER FIRST. There are hundreds of thousands to be saved on your wage bill alone by removing unnecessary jobs at the top, removing the consultancy system and the resulting exhorbitant fees, removing over-paid temporary management and cutting the salaries of highly paid fat cats at the head of the council and it's departments. And that, I dare say would just be a small fraction of what you could save if you put your mind to it.
It's about time councillors started to work for the people who actually elect them rather than ensuring they, and the fat cats they employ, remain comfortable during what promises to be a violent storm, a storm which is almost upon us.

will be the dustmen next or collections once a month, what we paying council tax for ????

You'll simply get the lot in a pink sack, so you can sort it yourself.

Rebecca says "money would be better spent elsewhere such as service provision".
Many would agree with her but, maybe, just as many would not (I for one - not having kids and no social service need, taking the my rubbish away and keeping the local area looking good are just about all I get for my £125 a month).
When is the Council's salami slicing going to stop and they actually cease doing things?
We can't afford it.

Let the people buy their own sacks, start fining offenders who refuse to comply.

We only got one roll of black bags, for most people that wopuld not have lasted six months so they would have to buy a roll or two anyway so it is not really much of a loss.

The free Bio bags will be a bonus, you need to be really very thick NOT to be able to seperate your waste.

Those who don't recycle should be dragged on to the street and named and shamed, force their kids in to the mines and mum and dad of the moment forced to sort the waste!

Tounge and cheek

Black bags on the pavements waiting for a refuse collection looks pretty gross anyway. As for plastic food bags.........Yuk! and asking for scavengers. Rochford Council has the right idea with wheely bins. No problems with rats, stray dogs or similar and probably more economic eventually. Certainly more civilised.

Buy a dustbin - simples.

Give it five years and the problem will solve itself, as there won't be enough food to go around so nothing will get wasted.

Carnabackable wrote:
Let the people buy their own sacks, start fining offenders who refuse to comply.

Yeah, that makes sense. Take people to court who can't afford bin sacks to levy fines they can't pay. Way to go, genius.

marshman wrote:
Buy a dustbin - simples.

OK, buy a dustbin. Fine, except that the binmen will not empty it. (Rules and regulations). The householder has to remove the rubbish from the bin and put it out in a bag for collection. Not worth buying a dustbin, really!

Cllr holland agued against any reduction in black bags provided when she was cabinet holder.
She stated it would cause flytipping and cost the council extra money.
Stupid idea.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:
Let the people buy their own sacks, start fining offenders who refuse to comply.

Yeah, that makes sense. Take people to court who can't afford bin sacks to levy fines they can't pay. Way to go, genius.

If they can't afford 99p roll of black sacks then they will not be able to afford food so that's not going to be a problem.

Why not take their kids off them, send them down the mines and with the adults use them for medical tests or as crash test dummies in cars or on bikes to see how the human body reacts in a crash, the young doctors could then patch them up as part of their training.

planted tongue cheek firmly

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:
Let the people buy their own sacks, start fining offenders who refuse to comply.

Yeah, that makes sense. Take people to court who can't afford bin sacks to levy fines they can't pay. Way to go, genius.

those who can't afford black sacks should try consuming a bit less. a bit less sky tv, a bit less tobacco. either that or try to acquaint themselves with the novel art of composting - granted a completely alien concept to those in question.

asbo. just the truth wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:
Let the people buy their own sacks, start fining offenders who refuse to comply.

Yeah, that makes sense. Take people to court who can't afford bin sacks to levy fines they can't pay. Way to go, genius.

those who can't afford black sacks should try consuming a bit less. a bit less sky tv, a bit less tobacco. either that or try to acquaint themselves with the novel art of composting - granted a completely alien concept to those in question.

Can you just imagine, say the residents of Quantock flats composting....

why don't the council use wheelie bins stop food getting on the streets
and foxes rippin bags the wheelie bins will pay back in time

silverleaf48 wrote:
why don't the council use wheelie bins stop food getting on the streets
and foxes rippin bags the wheelie bins will pay back in time

Cost and what about the flats.

We could always go back to those cute little galvanised steel dustbins, with those big husky dustmen picking them up from our gardens, emptying them and returning them to where you keep them. Neat and tidy, no world damaging black plastic sacks (sold for £1.47p from Basildon council offices) Interestingly, whilst most of us in Basildon were issued Black sacks, made of the thinnest plastic available to mankind, certain better off areas were presented with green wheelies. The plastic sacks do provide food for the poor foxes that are now rife in and around the town centre, so perhaps the nature lovers could provide them!

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

emcee wrote:
It took decades to build up a prosperous country, with good services to ensure a clean and safe environment, and now all that effort is carelessly being thrown to the four winds just to save but a few measly quid here and there.
Council people, come closer, I need to say something... closer... a little closer...
GET YOUR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER FIRST. There are hundreds of thousands to be saved on your wage bill alone by removing unnecessary jobs at the top, removing the consultancy system and the resulting exhorbitant fees, removing over-paid temporary management and cutting the salaries of highly paid fat cats at the head of the council and it's departments. And that, I dare say would just be a small fraction of what you could save if you put your mind to it.
It's about time councillors started to work for the people who actually elect them rather than ensuring they, and the fat cats they employ, remain comfortable during what promises to be a violent storm, a storm which is almost upon us.

These are the Victorian values the tories love so much.

Forget the politics on this one. Councillors are ALL the same....Most of them are clueless when running, what is by and large, a huge business.
Agree with emcee totally......

Lead by example. If you require your employees to work harder bearing in mind the current economic conditions, start by cutting salaries at the top. Removing waste and EARN respect. It does not come without being earned...

colsmith wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

emcee wrote:
It took decades to build up a prosperous country, with good services to ensure a clean and safe environment, and now all that effort is carelessly being thrown to the four winds just to save but a few measly quid here and there.
Council people, come closer, I need to say something... closer... a little closer...
GET YOUR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER FIRST. There are hundreds of thousands to be saved on your wage bill alone by removing unnecessary jobs at the top, removing the consultancy system and the resulting exhorbitant fees, removing over-paid temporary management and cutting the salaries of highly paid fat cats at the head of the council and it's departments. And that, I dare say would just be a small fraction of what you could save if you put your mind to it.
It's about time councillors started to work for the people who actually elect them rather than ensuring they, and the fat cats they employ, remain comfortable during what promises to be a violent storm, a storm which is almost upon us.

These are the Victorian values the tories love so much.

Forget the politics on this one. Councillors are ALL the same....Most of them are clueless when running, what is by and large, a huge business.
Agree with emcee totally......

Lead by example. If you require your employees to work harder bearing in mind the current economic conditions, start by cutting salaries at the top. Removing waste and EARN respect. It does not come without being earned...

It's a conservative council. It's a conservative decision.

silverleaf48 wrote:
why don't the council use wheelie bins stop food getting on the streets
and foxes rippin bags the wheelie bins will pay back in time

Foxes wouldn't rip binbags if people put the bags out when they're supposed to - on the morning of collection only -instead of on any day of the week.

Agree with emcee and cyclist completely . And remember, you get what you vote/or don't vote for. Vote Tory? Stop complaining. Don't vote? You have no right to complain.

High time Shoeburyness had it's own land fill site, to serve the eastern end of Southend, a good place could be the East Beach, grassed area it could then be used as part of the new sea defences, planned for the area, it would lessen the erosion of the beach, and serve as a useful tip.

Beth the original one wrote:
there is no excuses, 99p for a roll of black bin bags is hardly gonna break anyones piggy bank

For some people it makes a world of difference e.g. whether they can have a meal or not

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

silverleaf48 wrote:
why don't the council use wheelie bins stop food getting on the streets
and foxes rippin bags the wheelie bins will pay back in time

Foxes wouldn't rip binbags if people put the bags out when they're supposed to - on the morning of collection only -instead of on any day of the week.

I am sorry to pick you up on this, but there is a whole swathe of people who are called "Shift workers?" they are known for working long and anti social hours. There are also others who have to leave for work very early in the morning. These people aren't always able to put their bags out in the morning. So they put them out late the night before. Guess which creatures wander the streets once most people are sound asleep? When the council cut out the dustbins and replaced them with, in the first instance, with paper bags, they created the perfect environment for foxes. But, realising the problem, they provided the better off with wheelie bins. I wonder why that was?

the problem with the left wing is not their politics. it's that there's always an excuse for anti social behavior. if you can't toe the lie and put your rubbish out on the correct day then take it to the dump the day after. and if you can't manage that and still insist on polluting the environment there should be a kneecapping gerry adams stylee

cc martin mcguiness. bcc bobby buried unda the sands

asbo. just the truth wrote:
the problem with the left wing is not their politics. it's that there's always an excuse for anti social behavior. if you can't toe the lie and put your rubbish out on the correct day then take it to the dump the day after. and if you can't manage that and still insist on polluting the environment there should be a kneecapping gerry adams stylee

I don't get the left-wing bit, we are talking about rubbish sacks, not football!
My Council say: It should be left out before 7:30 am on the day of collection. Should the people on shift pack in their job, go on the dole just to appease rules that are not compatible with hard-working shift workers? As for taking it to the tip the day after. Coming off a night shift, pick up the bags, go to the bus stop. be refused admission onto the bus. Load them on to the motorbike, get stopped by the Police. Just because you have plenty of time off work and your own 4x4 please do not presume everybody does.

Devils Advocate wrote:

asbo. just the truth wrote:
the problem with the left wing is not their politics. it's that there's always an excuse for anti social behavior. if you can't toe the lie and put your rubbish out on the correct day then take it to the dump the day after. and if you can't manage that and still insist on polluting the environment there should be a kneecapping gerry adams stylee

I don't get the left-wing bit, we are talking about rubbish sacks, not football!
My Council say: It should be left out before 7:30 am on the day of collection. Should the people on shift pack in their job, go on the dole just to appease rules that are not compatible with hard-working shift workers? As for taking it to the tip the day after. Coming off a night shift, pick up the bags, go to the bus stop. be refused admission onto the bus. Load them on to the motorbike, get stopped by the Police. Just because you have plenty of time off work and your own 4x4 please do not presume everybody does.

oh pur-leeese. so that's the 5 people in basildon who do shift work with no-one else at home to put the rubbish out. what's your excuse for the rest of the rabble?

asbo. just the truth wrote:

Devils Advocate wrote:

asbo. just the truth wrote:
the problem with the left wing is not their politics. it's that there's always an excuse for anti social behavior. if you can't toe the lie and put your rubbish out on the correct day then take it to the dump the day after. and if you can't manage that and still insist on polluting the environment there should be a kneecapping gerry adams stylee

I don't get the left-wing bit, we are talking about rubbish sacks, not football!
My Council say: It should be left out before 7:30 am on the day of collection. Should the people on shift pack in their job, go on the dole just to appease rules that are not compatible with hard-working shift workers? As for taking it to the tip the day after. Coming off a night shift, pick up the bags, go to the bus stop. be refused admission onto the bus. Load them on to the motorbike, get stopped by the Police. Just because you have plenty of time off work and your own 4x4 please do not presume everybody does.

oh pur-leeese. so that's the 5 people in basildon who do shift work with no-one else at home to put the rubbish out. what's your excuse for the rest of the rabble?

You are doing what you do best. If that pleases you....

whataday wrote:

Beth the original one wrote:
there is no excuses, 99p for a roll of black bin bags is hardly gonna break anyones piggy bank

For some people it makes a world of difference e.g. whether they can have a meal or not

LOL - these aren't Dickensian times any more!

If someone doesn't have 99p for a meal OR a roll of bin bags they're doing something startlingly wrong. Spending it on fags or dog food instead maybe?

babybird0404 wrote:

whataday wrote:

Beth the original one wrote:
there is no excuses, 99p for a roll of black bin bags is hardly gonna break anyones piggy bank

For some people it makes a world of difference e.g. whether they can have a meal or not

LOL - these aren't Dickensian times any more!

If someone doesn't have 99p for a meal OR a roll of bin bags they're doing something startlingly wrong. Spending it on fags or dog food instead maybe?

Not quite Dickensian times but about five years ago a friend of mine used to visit an old lady. Her small house was her own but was dilapidated. It let in the weather, big time. She was in her 90s and always felt cold so even in the warm months she used to have to use the heating. Just enough to keep the chill off but her elctricity bill was horrendous. Her income was only the state pension and, because of bills, electricity, phone etc. (which she insisted had to be paid first), she rarely had enough food to last her until next pension day and often drank sweet tea when she could not afford to feed herself.
Anyway, my friend started to help her out, taking round bread, milk, butter, sugar, teabags, just the general stuff. She always offered to pay but he never took the money.
When she died he was told he was mentioned in the will and was to have the contents of her bank account.
He recieved a grand total of just over £2. He used it to buy some daffodils and put them on her grave.
People really do count every penny, even in this day and age.

I sprayed Rataway Fragrance to protect my property from rats nesting rats and mice.