Police hunt thugs who beat dog on train (From Echo)

Hope they get them and do the same to them.it was a pity I was not on the train at the time !!!!!

I cannot believe that nobody on the train called the police.

"POLICE are hunting two thugs who battered a dog on a train in front of horrified passengers.... lasting 30mis"

I'm no dog lover, but surely some of these 'horrified passengers' were, so why did no one say / do anything ?

Also were is the CCTV please Echo ? If you can be bothered, then please call British Transport Police & they will supply it.

Not being a dog owner i didn't know you can take dogs on trains.

Audioman wrote:
Hope they get them and do the same to them.it was a pity I was not on the train at the time !!!!!

give me the job. no need to bother with chains. i've got a nice set of steel toe caps.

so what happened the dog, hope these evil blokes do not still have the dog,i do wish the papers would put the whole story on here,as i find this sort of thing very upsetting there is noway i could have watched this and done nothing

The thugs acted badly enough but the people that watched for 30 mins without taking any action are far worse!! It would have been easy to pull the emergency cord, or look for the train Guard or dial 999. I hope those people are never in a situation where they need help and don't receive it, only then will they realise the situation that poor dog was in.

How could these so called concerned passengers just sit there watching the attack.

I hope you people are reading this as you are no better than the attackers, you never had the chain but you never attempted to stop it either your just as guilty.

I hope these thugs get caught and they should be given the same treatment.

How do you keyboard warriors know that the passengers didn't do anything?

You know for a fact that no-one called the police, yes?

Oh, and once you've stopped puffing yourselves up about steel toecaps and such nonsense, would you really be prepared to tackle two vicious blokes wielding a chain (with an injured, terrified dog in their tow)? Hmm.

As mary1938 said.......... and it would have only taken one passenger to interfere and I am sure others would follow. I hope they sleep soundly, because I couldn't.

Horace Wimpole wrote:
How do you keyboard warriors know that the passengers didn't do anything?

You know for a fact that no-one called the police, yes?

Oh, and once you've stopped puffing yourselves up about steel toecaps and such nonsense, would you really be prepared to tackle two vicious blokes wielding a chain (with an injured, terrified dog in their tow)? Hmm.

Its easy to say,but not so easy if you were there.I must agree with you on that.

Sureley some gustless passenger should have phoned 999 or pulled the emergency cord. GUTLESS public.

firedog wrote:

Horace Wimpole wrote: How do you keyboard warriors know that the passengers didn't do anything? You know for a fact that no-one called the police, yes? Oh, and once you've stopped puffing yourselves up about steel toecaps and such nonsense, would you really be prepared to tackle two vicious blokes wielding a chain (with an injured, terrified dog in their tow)? Hmm.

Its easy to say,but not so easy if you were there.I must agree with you on that.

I agree with you that the whole story is not told and perhaps someone did call the police. Being a commuter I would like to observe that whilst I would agree that you would not want to confront the people directly (very foolish) unless you are being stoppe dform leaving which I very much doubt it is very easy to slip off the train either by the doors in your carriage or go throught the internal doors and pull the communicaiton cord / alert the guard quite safely.
In this way the people involved do not know waht has happened.

I hope dog lovers find them before the police give them a slap on the wrist

very hard men to do that to a dog.surprised nobody gave them a slap.they would have probadly burst into tears.pity the dog didnt bite them.

Come on where are the CCTV Pics? lets get this scum banged up/beat up ASAP.

As much as this is yet another horrific story, a man has just been murdered in grays, presumably by yet another piece of human garbage, and yet there are 3 comments and no outpouring of disgust and outrage........ As soon as a dog is involved people can't sleep at night !........ No wonder the courts couldn't care less either when people seem more concerned about a dog than a human being and another family destroyed........

I feel bad for the man in Grays, but feel this is more important. Most rapists, paedophiles and torturers start hurting animals, so feel this needs to be sorted.

ilovewar wrote:
I feel bad for the man in Grays, but feel this is more important. Most rapists, paedophiles and torturers start hurting animals, so feel this needs to be sorted.

Glad you feel bad for him..... at least he wasn't a dog, would have been terrible.....

Horace Wimpole wrote:
How do you keyboard warriors know that the passengers didn't do anything? You know for a fact that no-one called the police, yes? Oh, and once you've stopped puffing yourselves up about steel toecaps and such nonsense, would you really be prepared to tackle two vicious blokes wielding a chain (with an injured, terrified dog in their tow)? Hmm.

l personally think that if they had been confronted by a few angry people it is very likely that they would have stopped.
l read a newspaper article a while ago where a group of passengers got fed up with someone on the train and bundled him off, to the cheering and clapping of the rest of the passengers!! So it proves it CAN, and was, done.

And l would imagine the police WERE NOT called, they can request assistance at on stop and the police can be there at the next stop or one after that, they do have telephone contact, so the fact that this went on for half an hour suggests that NOTHING was done, sameful.

And, they have cctv on these trains, hope that turns something up soon.

APATHETIC BRITAIN, This country gets worse by the day. The article refers to these people as " men" but they are not men, real men do not behave like that, they are simply mindless bullies, and cowards to boot.

l hope they catch them and put them inside for a while, that should concentrate their minds, if thay actually have one that is!”

supermadmax wrote:
"POLICE are hunting two thugs who battered a dog on a train in front of horrified passengers.... lasting 30mis" I'm no dog lover, but surely some of these 'horrified passengers' were, so why did no one say / do anything ? Also were is the CCTV please Echo ? If you can be bothered, then please call British Transport Police & they will supply it.

Because either they are apathetic, or scared. There is no other explanation.

supermadmax wrote:
"POLICE are hunting two thugs who battered a dog on a train in front of horrified passengers.... lasting 30mis"

I'm no dog lover, but surely some of these 'horrified passengers' were, so why did no one say / do anything ?

Also were is the CCTV please Echo ? If you can be bothered, then please call British Transport Police & they will supply it.

It only happened just over three weeks ago. You must be patient. It takes Essex Police at least two months to release any highly blured, highly pixelated, low res CCTV images they have of the idiots wearing hoodies.

The comments on here are laughable!!! I love it when the keyboard warriors start chipping in! Very very easy to say you'd put your steel toe caps to good use from the comfort of your armchair hiding behind a monitor isn't it?

I would imagine it was a frightening experience having to witness such an event. I've been in a similar situation where a group of England "supporters" started punching the lights out on an underground tube whilst chanting rascist songs. There was a big group of us with some pretty big blokes but it was a tinderbox situation and if these guys had kicked off at us, who knows what would have happened.

Let's take the scenario where someone had tried to intervened and got knifed or beaten for their troubles or they'd given the yobs a **** good pasting. Either way it would cause problems for them and they could have found themselves on the wrong side of the law or in hospital... or worse.

How funny..... the word d-a-m-n (and if it's done it again it's a structure that's used to block a river, beavers can make them too) has been ****'d out lol

Did we take a trip back into the 1800s? Hold on to your mirkins ladies, we've hit a time vortex

Is there any news of how this is going? Has anyone been caught?

Trains on what was LT&SR do Not have guards on them anymore do they?
Why have to rely on rail staff to intervene, when Joe Public could just as easily?
Did any passenger think to use their mobile to film the offence?
Was the train at a stand in Benfleet for 30 minutes

The structure used to block a river is spelt dam according to the Oxford dictionary.

Russ13 wrote:
The comments on here are laughable!!! I love it when the keyboard warriors start chipping in! Very very easy to say you'd put your steel toe caps to good use from the comfort of your armchair hiding behind a monitor isn't it? I would imagine it was a frightening experience having to witness such an event. I've been in a similar situation where a group of England "supporters" started punching the lights out on an underground tube whilst chanting rascist songs. There was a big group of us with some pretty big blokes but it was a tinderbox situation and if these guys had kicked off at us, who knows what would have happened. Let's take the scenario where someone had tried to intervened and got knifed or beaten for their troubles or they'd given the yobs a **** good pasting. Either way it would cause problems for them and they could have found themselves on the wrong side of the law or in hospital... or worse.

NOT tackled by just one person, that would obviously been asking for trouble, but with a few people, particularly strong men these people WOULD have backed down, l`m sure of it.
There is strength in numbers, " united we stand" is a very true saying, and hopefully the dog would have turned on them too!!

mary1938@btinternet.
com wrote:
The thugs acted badly enough but the people that watched for 30 mins without taking any action are far worse!! It would have been easy to pull the emergency cord, or look for the train Guard or dial 999. I hope those people are never in a situation where they need help and don't receive it, only then will they realise the situation that poor dog was in.

How exactly is a failure to report the incident 'far worse' than what the perpetrators did?

Not A Native wrote:

mary1938@btinternet. com wrote: The thugs acted badly enough but the people that watched for 30 mins without taking any action are far worse!! It would have been easy to pull the emergency cord, or look for the train Guard or dial 999. I hope those people are never in a situation where they need help and don't receive it, only then will they realise the situation that poor dog was in.

How exactly is a failure to report the incident 'far worse' than what the perpetrators did?

Well it isn`t " far worse" that`s for sure, but l do see a point here.

The people in that carraige and the ba-----s doing the attack, were all in the same scenario, those people attacking the dog were focused more on the dog than the people, that gave ANYONE in there the opportunity to pull the cord.
ln a way, they were ultimately responsible for the outcome, by their actions, or inaction, they could have changed the outcome.
There is a saying " all that it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" and it`s very true.

Russ13 wrote:
The comments on here are laughable!!! I love it when the keyboard warriors start chipping in! Very very easy to say you'd put your steel toe caps to good use from the comfort of your armchair hiding behind a monitor isn't it?

I would imagine it was a frightening experience having to witness such an event. I've been in a similar situation where a group of England "supporters" started punching the lights out on an underground tube whilst chanting rascist songs. There was a big group of us with some pretty big blokes but it was a tinderbox situation and if these guys had kicked off at us, who knows what would have happened.

Let's take the scenario where someone had tried to intervened and got knifed or beaten for their troubles or they'd given the yobs a **** good pasting. Either way it would cause problems for them and they could have found themselves on the wrong side of the law or in hospital... or worse.

Having been in a similar situation myself - Yes it is frightening but it is everyone's DUTY to step in and take some kind of action instead of pretending not to notice. It is because no-one takes any action or says anything that bad things like this are allowed to happen and worse continue to happen because people like this think they will not be opposed.
The article said the abuse went on for 30mins - shame on those people on the train. Someone should have taken some action. Just as fear spreads, so does courage.

fruitcakegsi wrote:

Russ13 wrote: The comments on here are laughable!!! I love it when the keyboard warriors start chipping in! Very very easy to say you'd put your steel toe caps to good use from the comfort of your armchair hiding behind a monitor isn't it? I would imagine it was a frightening experience having to witness such an event. I've been in a similar situation where a group of England "supporters" started punching the lights out on an underground tube whilst chanting rascist songs. There was a big group of us with some pretty big blokes but it was a tinderbox situation and if these guys had kicked off at us, who knows what would have happened. Let's take the scenario where someone had tried to intervened and got knifed or beaten for their troubles or they'd given the yobs a **** good pasting. Either way it would cause problems for them and they could have found themselves on the wrong side of the law or in hospital... or worse.

Having been in a similar situation myself - Yes it is frightening but it is everyone's DUTY to step in and take some kind of action instead of pretending not to notice. It is because no-one takes any action or says anything that bad things like this are allowed to happen and worse continue to happen because people like this think they will not be opposed. The article said the abuse went on for 30mins - shame on those people on the train. Someone should have taken some action. Just as fear spreads, so does courage.

Rubbish!!!

If it was a person/child being attacked then yes, I would step in and hope people back me up.

How many times do we read about incidents with dogs and the police are reluctant to follow up because in a lot of instances dogs aren't covered by the same laws as people.

"Yes officer, I ended up using reasonable force because the person was attacking another person" is a World apart from "Yes officer, I used reasonable force because the person was being nasty to his pet"

I'm not saying it's right and the scumbags who did this need to be dealt with by vigilante justice where a dog is concerned could leave you in a whole heap of trouble! To a point, the system is to blame.

The bottom line is, by all accounts this person was attacking his own dog, it's wrong, it's cruel and it shouldn't happen but it's not something I'm going to put my neck on the line for..... by all means get a good look at the scumbags in question and pass on as much info to the police as possible.

For all we know these thugs are probably dealing in drugs and are deliberately trying to turn this into an attack dog Wouldn't have been wise to intervene as somebody said they may have had knives but agree police should have been called. But how do we know from reading this story whether somebody called the police or not
Another staffie who probably is or will become vicious and have to be put down because its owned by morons.

Sounds suspiciously like not the whole truth to me..... 30 mins on a train from benfleet is not far short of all the way to fenchurch street... Its a friday night so can't believe the 'witnesses' were a constant for the whole journey and that nothing was done for a sustained 'horrifying' attack lasting that long.... was it really that sustained, or really 30 mins ? Still, not very nice though....

Russ13 wrote:

fruitcakegsi wrote:

Russ13 wrote: The comments on here are laughable!!! I love it when the keyboard warriors start chipping in! Very very easy to say you'd put your steel toe caps to good use from the comfort of your armchair hiding behind a monitor isn't it? I would imagine it was a frightening experience having to witness such an event. I've been in a similar situation where a group of England "supporters" started punching the lights out on an underground tube whilst chanting rascist songs. There was a big group of us with some pretty big blokes but it was a tinderbox situation and if these guys had kicked off at us, who knows what would have happened. Let's take the scenario where someone had tried to intervened and got knifed or beaten for their troubles or they'd given the yobs a **** good pasting. Either way it would cause problems for them and they could have found themselves on the wrong side of the law or in hospital... or worse.

Having been in a similar situation myself - Yes it is frightening but it is everyone's DUTY to step in and take some kind of action instead of pretending not to notice. It is because no-one takes any action or says anything that bad things like this are allowed to happen and worse continue to happen because people like this think they will not be opposed. The article said the abuse went on for 30mins - shame on those people on the train. Someone should have taken some action. Just as fear spreads, so does courage.

Rubbish!!!

If it was a person/child being attacked then yes, I would step in and hope people back me up.

How many times do we read about incidents with dogs and the police are reluctant to follow up because in a lot of instances dogs aren't covered by the same laws as people.

"Yes officer, I ended up using reasonable force because the person was attacking another person" is a World apart from "Yes officer, I used reasonable force because the person was being nasty to his pet"

I'm not saying it's right and the scumbags who did this need to be dealt with by vigilante justice where a dog is concerned could leave you in a whole heap of trouble! To a point, the system is to blame.

The bottom line is, by all accounts this person was attacking his own dog, it's wrong, it's cruel and it shouldn't happen but it's not something I'm going to put my neck on the line for..... by all means get a good look at the scumbags in question and pass on as much info to the police as possible.

Sorry you feel I'm talking rubbish. I'm afraid I see things very black and white. I guess I don't discriminate between people and animals - they both feel pain and for my part, I personally could not sit idly by, for the reported 30 mins, and do nothing. And I cannot believe that, if you had physically been there yourself, that you would do nothing either. What happened is plain and simply evil, and people should have the backbone to standup to it, otherwise we are sending a message to these thugs that they can do it anytime they like and get away with it.
That said, we can each only do what we can. I happen to be 6'3" and keen on martial arts. However, I'm not advocating vigilante justice. The aim is to stop them hitting the dog however you can. There's always something you can do. Even if a bunch of folks just stood up and objected, I'd bet that would likely be enough. Worst case scenario? the most feeble person with no support from fellow passengers could have at least followed these thugs off the train and armed only with a mobile phone could have alerted the police to their location.
Finally, regarding your point about the law. I can't believe that the law would not favour a person taking action to stop animal cruelty. And if it did then the law isn't worth respecting.

It's a sad sign of the times when a brace of bully-boys can/will behave like this without fear of intervention.

A different day and different people.... and they may well have ended up being defenestrated!

fruitcakegsi wrote:

Russ13 wrote:

fruitcakegsi wrote:

Russ13 wrote: The comments on here are laughable!!! I love it when the keyboard warriors start chipping in! Very very easy to say you'd put your steel toe caps to good use from the comfort of your armchair hiding behind a monitor isn't it? I would imagine it was a frightening experience having to witness such an event. I've been in a similar situation where a group of England "supporters" started punching the lights out on an underground tube whilst chanting rascist songs. There was a big group of us with some pretty big blokes but it was a tinderbox situation and if these guys had kicked off at us, who knows what would have happened. Let's take the scenario where someone had tried to intervened and got knifed or beaten for their troubles or they'd given the yobs a **** good pasting. Either way it would cause problems for them and they could have found themselves on the wrong side of the law or in hospital... or worse.

Having been in a similar situation myself - Yes it is frightening but it is everyone's DUTY to step in and take some kind of action instead of pretending not to notice. It is because no-one takes any action or says anything that bad things like this are allowed to happen and worse continue to happen because people like this think they will not be opposed. The article said the abuse went on for 30mins - shame on those people on the train. Someone should have taken some action. Just as fear spreads, so does courage.

Rubbish!!! If it was a person/child being attacked then yes, I would step in and hope people back me up. How many times do we read about incidents with dogs and the police are reluctant to follow up because in a lot of instances dogs aren't covered by the same laws as people. "Yes officer, I ended up using reasonable force because the person was attacking another person" is a World apart from "Yes officer, I used reasonable force because the person was being nasty to his pet" I'm not saying it's right and the scumbags who did this need to be dealt with by vigilante justice where a dog is concerned could leave you in a whole heap of trouble! To a point, the system is to blame. The bottom line is, by all accounts this person was attacking his own dog, it's wrong, it's cruel and it shouldn't happen but it's not something I'm going to put my neck on the line for..... by all means get a good look at the scumbags in question and pass on as much info to the police as possible.

Sorry you feel I'm talking rubbish. I'm afraid I see things very black and white. I guess I don't discriminate between people and animals - they both feel pain and for my part, I personally could not sit idly by, for the reported 30 mins, and do nothing. And I cannot believe that, if you had physically been there yourself, that you would do nothing either. What happened is plain and simply evil, and people should have the backbone to standup to it, otherwise we are sending a message to these thugs that they can do it anytime they like and get away with it. That said, we can each only do what we can. I happen to be 6'3" and keen on martial arts. However, I'm not advocating vigilante justice. The aim is to stop them hitting the dog however you can. There's always something you can do. Even if a bunch of folks just stood up and objected, I'd bet that would likely be enough. Worst case scenario? the most feeble person with no support from fellow passengers could have at least followed these thugs off the train and armed only with a mobile phone could have alerted the police to their location. Finally, regarding your point about the law. I can't believe that the law would not favour a person taking action to stop animal cruelty. And if it did then the law isn't worth respecting.

l agree completely with your comments and have written further along on this subject, twice l believe.
l am 66 and female, and l KNOW, because l know myself, that l would have said something to these bullies, l couldn`t have kept quiet l`m afraid!! and l would have told them if they didn`t stop l`d call the police.
Too many in the uk are apathetic, they moan a lot between themselves, but when an opportunity presents itself to say or do something they do NOTHING.

Almeda11 wrote:

fruitcakegsi wrote:

Russ13 wrote:

fruitcakegsi wrote:

Russ13 wrote: The comments on here are laughable!!! I love it when the keyboard warriors start chipping in! Very very easy to say you'd put your steel toe caps to good use from the comfort of your armchair hiding behind a monitor isn't it? I would imagine it was a frightening experience having to witness such an event. I've been in a similar situation where a group of England "supporters" started punching the lights out on an underground tube whilst chanting rascist songs. There was a big group of us with some pretty big blokes but it was a tinderbox situation and if these guys had kicked off at us, who knows what would have happened. Let's take the scenario where someone had tried to intervened and got knifed or beaten for their troubles or they'd given the yobs a **** good pasting. Either way it would cause problems for them and they could have found themselves on the wrong side of the law or in hospital... or worse.

Having been in a similar situation myself - Yes it is frightening but it is everyone's DUTY to step in and take some kind of action instead of pretending not to notice. It is because no-one takes any action or says anything that bad things like this are allowed to happen and worse continue to happen because people like this think they will not be opposed. The article said the abuse went on for 30mins - shame on those people on the train. Someone should have taken some action. Just as fear spreads, so does courage.

Rubbish!!! If it was a person/child being attacked then yes, I would step in and hope people back me up. How many times do we read about incidents with dogs and the police are reluctant to follow up because in a lot of instances dogs aren't covered by the same laws as people. "Yes officer, I ended up using reasonable force because the person was attacking another person" is a World apart from "Yes officer, I used reasonable force because the person was being nasty to his pet" I'm not saying it's right and the scumbags who did this need to be dealt with by vigilante justice where a dog is concerned could leave you in a whole heap of trouble! To a point, the system is to blame. The bottom line is, by all accounts this person was attacking his own dog, it's wrong, it's cruel and it shouldn't happen but it's not something I'm going to put my neck on the line for..... by all means get a good look at the scumbags in question and pass on as much info to the police as possible.

Sorry you feel I'm talking rubbish. I'm afraid I see things very black and white. I guess I don't discriminate between people and animals - they both feel pain and for my part, I personally could not sit idly by, for the reported 30 mins, and do nothing. And I cannot believe that, if you had physically been there yourself, that you would do nothing either. What happened is plain and simply evil, and people should have the backbone to standup to it, otherwise we are sending a message to these thugs that they can do it anytime they like and get away with it. That said, we can each only do what we can. I happen to be 6'3" and keen on martial arts. However, I'm not advocating vigilante justice. The aim is to stop them hitting the dog however you can. There's always something you can do. Even if a bunch of folks just stood up and objected, I'd bet that would likely be enough. Worst case scenario? the most feeble person with no support from fellow passengers could have at least followed these thugs off the train and armed only with a mobile phone could have alerted the police to their location. Finally, regarding your point about the law. I can't believe that the law would not favour a person taking action to stop animal cruelty. And if it did then the law isn't worth respecting.

l agree completely with your comments and have written further along on this subject, twice l believe. l am 66 and female, and l KNOW, because l know myself, that l would have said something to these bullies, l couldn`t have kept quiet l`m afraid!! and l would have told them if they didn`t stop l`d call the police. Too many in the uk are apathetic, they moan a lot between themselves, but when an opportunity presents itself to say or do something they do NOTHING.

I do not doubt what you say in the least, but you need to bear in mind that if a 30 or 40 year old male intervened he would be much more likey to get hammered into hospital than a women, of any age. Then, to add insult to serious injury, the courts would deliver the sort of justice that is the principal reason people can't be bothered anymore..... This kind of thuggery and apethetic response to it will not change until there is a serious overhaul of the criminal justice system, and that can only be achieved by radical thinking come election time...

fruitcakegsi wrote:

Russ13 wrote:

fruitcakegsi wrote:

Russ13 wrote: The comments on here are laughable!!! I love it when the keyboard warriors start chipping in! Very very easy to say you'd put your steel toe caps to good use from the comfort of your armchair hiding behind a monitor isn't it? I would imagine it was a frightening experience having to witness such an event. I've been in a similar situation where a group of England "supporters" started punching the lights out on an underground tube whilst chanting rascist songs. There was a big group of us with some pretty big blokes but it was a tinderbox situation and if these guys had kicked off at us, who knows what would have happened. Let's take the scenario where someone had tried to intervened and got knifed or beaten for their troubles or they'd given the yobs a **** good pasting. Either way it would cause problems for them and they could have found themselves on the wrong side of the law or in hospital... or worse.

Having been in a similar situation myself - Yes it is frightening but it is everyone's DUTY to step in and take some kind of action instead of pretending not to notice. It is because no-one takes any action or says anything that bad things like this are allowed to happen and worse continue to happen because people like this think they will not be opposed. The article said the abuse went on for 30mins - shame on those people on the train. Someone should have taken some action. Just as fear spreads, so does courage.

Rubbish!!!

If it was a person/child being attacked then yes, I would step in and hope people back me up.

How many times do we read about incidents with dogs and the police are reluctant to follow up because in a lot of instances dogs aren't covered by the same laws as people.

"Yes officer, I ended up using reasonable force because the person was attacking another person" is a World apart from "Yes officer, I used reasonable force because the person was being nasty to his pet"

I'm not saying it's right and the scumbags who did this need to be dealt with by vigilante justice where a dog is concerned could leave you in a whole heap of trouble! To a point, the system is to blame.

The bottom line is, by all accounts this person was attacking his own dog, it's wrong, it's cruel and it shouldn't happen but it's not something I'm going to put my neck on the line for..... by all means get a good look at the scumbags in question and pass on as much info to the police as possible.

Sorry you feel I'm talking rubbish. I'm afraid I see things very black and white. I guess I don't discriminate between people and animals - they both feel pain and for my part, I personally could not sit idly by, for the reported 30 mins, and do nothing. And I cannot believe that, if you had physically been there yourself, that you would do nothing either. What happened is plain and simply evil, and people should have the backbone to standup to it, otherwise we are sending a message to these thugs that they can do it anytime they like and get away with it.
That said, we can each only do what we can. I happen to be 6'3" and keen on martial arts. However, I'm not advocating vigilante justice. The aim is to stop them hitting the dog however you can. There's always something you can do. Even if a bunch of folks just stood up and objected, I'd bet that would likely be enough. Worst case scenario? the most feeble person with no support from fellow passengers could have at least followed these thugs off the train and armed only with a mobile phone could have alerted the police to their location.
Finally, regarding your point about the law. I can't believe that the law would not favour a person taking action to stop animal cruelty. And if it did then the law isn't worth respecting.

Your worst case scenario is wrong.

Worst case, and not an unlikely scenario, is you intervene and get a blade in your stomach.

uncle_jarvis wrote:

fruitcakegsi wrote:

Russ13 wrote:

fruitcakegsi wrote:

Russ13 wrote: The comments on here are laughable!!! I love it when the keyboard warriors start chipping in! Very very easy to say you'd put your steel toe caps to good use from the comfort of your armchair hiding behind a monitor isn't it? I would imagine it was a frightening experience having to witness such an event. I've been in a similar situation where a group of England "supporters" started punching the lights out on an underground tube whilst chanting rascist songs. There was a big group of us with some pretty big blokes but it was a tinderbox situation and if these guys had kicked off at us, who knows what would have happened. Let's take the scenario where someone had tried to intervened and got knifed or beaten for their troubles or they'd given the yobs a **** good pasting. Either way it would cause problems for them and they could have found themselves on the wrong side of the law or in hospital... or worse.

Having been in a similar situation myself - Yes it is frightening but it is everyone's DUTY to step in and take some kind of action instead of pretending not to notice. It is because no-one takes any action or says anything that bad things like this are allowed to happen and worse continue to happen because people like this think they will not be opposed. The article said the abuse went on for 30mins - shame on those people on the train. Someone should have taken some action. Just as fear spreads, so does courage.

Rubbish!!!

If it was a person/child being attacked then yes, I would step in and hope people back me up.

How many times do we read about incidents with dogs and the police are reluctant to follow up because in a lot of instances dogs aren't covered by the same laws as people.

"Yes officer, I ended up using reasonable force because the person was attacking another person" is a World apart from "Yes officer, I used reasonable force because the person was being nasty to his pet"

I'm not saying it's right and the scumbags who did this need to be dealt with by vigilante justice where a dog is concerned could leave you in a whole heap of trouble! To a point, the system is to blame.

The bottom line is, by all accounts this person was attacking his own dog, it's wrong, it's cruel and it shouldn't happen but it's not something I'm going to put my neck on the line for..... by all means get a good look at the scumbags in question and pass on as much info to the police as possible.

Sorry you feel I'm talking rubbish. I'm afraid I see things very black and white. I guess I don't discriminate between people and animals - they both feel pain and for my part, I personally could not sit idly by, for the reported 30 mins, and do nothing. And I cannot believe that, if you had physically been there yourself, that you would do nothing either. What happened is plain and simply evil, and people should have the backbone to standup to it, otherwise we are sending a message to these thugs that they can do it anytime they like and get away with it.
That said, we can each only do what we can. I happen to be 6'3" and keen on martial arts. However, I'm not advocating vigilante justice. The aim is to stop them hitting the dog however you can. There's always something you can do. Even if a bunch of folks just stood up and objected, I'd bet that would likely be enough. Worst case scenario? the most feeble person with no support from fellow passengers could have at least followed these thugs off the train and armed only with a mobile phone could have alerted the police to their location.
Finally, regarding your point about the law. I can't believe that the law would not favour a person taking action to stop animal cruelty. And if it did then the law isn't worth respecting.

Your worst case scenario is wrong.

Worst case, and not an unlikely scenario, is you intervene and get a blade in your stomach.

Sorry, didn't mean 'worst case' like that. I meant the least someone could do in the event that they are unable to intervene.
With regard to your point, then sure if you choose to intervene directly (i.e. physically), then there's always a chance it could 'go south' (I had someone pull a gun on me once) but you never know and that's a risk that I would personally take. I simply couldn't live with the guilt of turning the other cheek when a person/animal is in trouble. But I guess the message is that each scenario is different but there's always something folks can do, especially if it's a group.

At the end of the day i am a 40 yr old female and i am sick of these scumbags i know for a fact if i was in that carriage i would of first quietly made a police call and then i would of gone straight up to the bloke hitting the dog and stood between him and his chain i would of took the beating for that poor helpless dog but i also would of kicked his goolies into oblivion. These scum think they are untouchable because they act so "hard" theres no way i could of sat there and do nothing its time to stand up people stop your ignorance and stop these scum from taking over .

Kels1001 wrote:
At the end of the day i am a 40 yr old female and i am sick of these scumbags i know for a fact if i was in that carriage i would of first quietly made a police call and then i would of gone straight up to the bloke hitting the dog and stood between him and his chain i would of took the beating for that poor helpless dog but i also would of kicked his goolies into oblivion. These scum think they are untouchable because they act so "hard" theres no way i could of sat there and do nothing its time to stand up people stop your ignorance and stop these scum from taking over .

But the scum are taking over because the 'authorities' have basically caved in to the politically correct cancer that is destroying society..... you have virtually no protection..... read the article on here today about the women attacked by feral teenagers for refusing them entry to her house, and direct your anger there...