Woman in wheelchair knocked over by bus

2:12pm Wednesday 13th March 2013 in News

Woman in wheelchair knocked over by bus in Southend Woman in wheelchair knocked over by bus in Southend

A wheelchair-bound woman has been knocked over outside Southend Victoria Station.

The woman, who was attempting to cross the shared space area between two buses, was not thought to have been seriousl injured.

She was helped by passer's by before emergency services arrived on the scene shortly before 2pm.

Comments (49)

2:47pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Noteworthy says...

I hope the lady is ok. Crossing between buses, was it one of these that hit her - perhaps moving forward?

A bit of editing for you Echo - it's Seriously, not seriousl, and it's passers by, no apostrophe - passers do not possess a by.
I hope the lady is ok. Crossing between buses, was it one of these that hit her - perhaps moving forward? A bit of editing for you Echo - it's Seriously, not seriousl, and it's passers by, no apostrophe - passers do not possess a by. Noteworthy

2:47pm Wed 13 Mar 13

guygrim says...

crossing the road between busses is stupid and whether she was crossing between busses or not people don't looks properly before crossing the road near the station
crossing the road between busses is stupid and whether she was crossing between busses or not people don't looks properly before crossing the road near the station guygrim

3:16pm Wed 13 Mar 13

pussycats says...

Was going to happen sooner or later. A very dangerous area for all pedestrians. Shared areas between buses and pedestrians will never work. If I remember rightly, bus drivers refused to use this area, when first constructed. This will the first of many.
Was going to happen sooner or later. A very dangerous area for all pedestrians. Shared areas between buses and pedestrians will never work. If I remember rightly, bus drivers refused to use this area, when first constructed. This will the first of many. pussycats

3:48pm Wed 13 Mar 13

billericay boy says...

Bus drivers have no moral's, if you are in the way , Tuff, and when they pull out from there stops, Tuff, I'm going if you hit me or not.
Bus drivers have no moral's, if you are in the way , Tuff, and when they pull out from there stops, Tuff, I'm going if you hit me or not. billericay boy

4:05pm Wed 13 Mar 13

uncle_jarvis says...

As has been said, you can't go blaming the shared space for someone in a wheelchair passing between 2 buses and getting hit by one. Unlikely the bus driver saw her.
As has been said, you can't go blaming the shared space for someone in a wheelchair passing between 2 buses and getting hit by one. Unlikely the bus driver saw her. uncle_jarvis

4:13pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Keptquiettillnow says...

Pleased that it seems the woman is doing fine. As for shared use, I think not, the speed that bus's bomb through the zone at 20mph says it all. That's not shared space.
Pleased that it seems the woman is doing fine. As for shared use, I think not, the speed that bus's bomb through the zone at 20mph says it all. That's not shared space. Keptquiettillnow

4:21pm Wed 13 Mar 13

pussycats says...

In other " shared" spaces, motor gives way to sail. If collision occurs, the motor is at fault. Is there a difference in this situation? Where a shared space construction which is man made, proves a problem, maybe it shouldn't have been constructed in the first place.
In other " shared" spaces, motor gives way to sail. If collision occurs, the motor is at fault. Is there a difference in this situation? Where a shared space construction which is man made, proves a problem, maybe it shouldn't have been constructed in the first place. pussycats

4:33pm Wed 13 Mar 13

southendshrimper says...

Who in there right mind would cross between two buses, this area is not dangerous if everyone uses a bit of common sence. I use it almost every day with my children. I always get them to stop look listen, we never cross if there is a bus moving. Hope she is ok.p
Who in there right mind would cross between two buses, this area is not dangerous if everyone uses a bit of common sence. I use it almost every day with my children. I always get them to stop look listen, we never cross if there is a bus moving. Hope she is ok.p southendshrimper

4:38pm Wed 13 Mar 13

lottie31 says...

before we moved back to southend from sheffield, i didn't know about the shared space and didn't realise that cars and buses can use that bit so i just walked out the train station with the buggy and my son walking, straight in front of a taxi. They do need to have a sign that it is shared for visitors to southend that dont know about this. but as for going between to buses that was a bit daft to be honest. you wouldn't do that on a proper road. Think it was an error on both parts here.
before we moved back to southend from sheffield, i didn't know about the shared space and didn't realise that cars and buses can use that bit so i just walked out the train station with the buggy and my son walking, straight in front of a taxi. They do need to have a sign that it is shared for visitors to southend that dont know about this. but as for going between to buses that was a bit daft to be honest. you wouldn't do that on a proper road. Think it was an error on both parts here. lottie31

4:41pm Wed 13 Mar 13

gordonbennet says...

I hope the lady wasn't badly hurt. It was only a matter of time before someone got knocked down here; I use the station every day and frequently see buses exceeding the 20 mph limit. I've been halfway across the road when a bus has pulled away from the stop and simply driven straight at me. What a way to welcome visitors to Southend!
I hope the lady wasn't badly hurt. It was only a matter of time before someone got knocked down here; I use the station every day and frequently see buses exceeding the 20 mph limit. I've been halfway across the road when a bus has pulled away from the stop and simply driven straight at me. What a way to welcome visitors to Southend! gordonbennet

4:42pm Wed 13 Mar 13

MHWoods says...

If everyone is considerate - drivers, cyclists and pedestrians alike - and uses their common sense there should be no problem. The rules of the road still apply and pedestrians should exercise caution when crossing any vehicle carriageway. Likewise, drivers should be aware that pedestrians are likely to wander across the road, ear glued to their mobile phone and without seemingly a care in the world. Share the space means exactly that - it doesn't entitle anyone to absolute right of way!
If everyone is considerate - drivers, cyclists and pedestrians alike - and uses their common sense there should be no problem. The rules of the road still apply and pedestrians should exercise caution when crossing any vehicle carriageway. Likewise, drivers should be aware that pedestrians are likely to wander across the road, ear glued to their mobile phone and without seemingly a care in the world. Share the space means exactly that - it doesn't entitle anyone to absolute right of way! MHWoods

4:50pm Wed 13 Mar 13

perini says...

Shared spaces do not, and never will work, in this country!
Shared spaces do not, and never will work, in this country! perini

4:54pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Keptquiettillnow says...

The problem with shared space in the UK is we do not have ‘strict liability’ that other N.European countries use. Once you have that in place everyone is forced to drive safely and play nice.
The problem with shared space in the UK is we do not have ‘strict liability’ that other N.European countries use. Once you have that in place everyone is forced to drive safely and play nice. Keptquiettillnow

4:54pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Basildon_Boy says...

All this shared space crap in Southend is pathetic. Buses, pedestrians and cyclists will never mix. There was a young girl knocked down on the seafront a few weeks back. Shared space again. Its plain and simple, people do not have common sense these days, well they might, but people are to busy day dreaming or on their phones. The article just says it all, 'womain wheelchair went between two buses'. I mean how stupid can you be. Only a matter of time before someone is killed.
All this shared space crap in Southend is pathetic. Buses, pedestrians and cyclists will never mix. There was a young girl knocked down on the seafront a few weeks back. Shared space again. Its plain and simple, people do not have common sense these days, well they might, but people are to busy day dreaming or on their phones. The article just says it all, 'womain wheelchair went between two buses'. I mean how stupid can you be. Only a matter of time before someone is killed. Basildon_Boy

4:57pm Wed 13 Mar 13

gordonbennet says...

MHWoods wrote:
If everyone is considerate - drivers, cyclists and pedestrians alike - and uses their common sense there should be no problem. The rules of the road still apply and pedestrians should exercise caution when crossing any vehicle carriageway. Likewise, drivers should be aware that pedestrians are likely to wander across the road, ear glued to their mobile phone and without seemingly a care in the world. Share the space means exactly that - it doesn't entitle anyone to absolute right of way!
Completely agree. Unfortunately, there's no real kerb outside the station - and the road is paved in similar stone to the pavement - so it's not obvious that you're about to step into a road. When the scheme was first opened, the council had staff positioned outside the station to warn people about the road layout However, that was always going to be a temporary measure until people got used to the idea. Thing is, not everyone who uses Southend Victoria lives in Southend or is familiar with Victoria Gateway. Maybe there need to be a few signs put up, or even a warning painted on the pavement.
[quote][p][bold]MHWoods[/bold] wrote: If everyone is considerate - drivers, cyclists and pedestrians alike - and uses their common sense there should be no problem. The rules of the road still apply and pedestrians should exercise caution when crossing any vehicle carriageway. Likewise, drivers should be aware that pedestrians are likely to wander across the road, ear glued to their mobile phone and without seemingly a care in the world. Share the space means exactly that - it doesn't entitle anyone to absolute right of way![/p][/quote]Completely agree. Unfortunately, there's no real kerb outside the station - and the road is paved in similar stone to the pavement - so it's not obvious that you're about to step into a road. When the scheme was first opened, the council had staff positioned outside the station to warn people about the road layout However, that was always going to be a temporary measure until people got used to the idea. Thing is, not everyone who uses Southend Victoria lives in Southend or is familiar with Victoria Gateway. Maybe there need to be a few signs put up, or even a warning painted on the pavement. gordonbennet

5:09pm Wed 13 Mar 13

newbie80 says...

This accident happened right in front of me, the lady was very shaken but unhurt, luckily (or not) the electric wheelchair took the brunt. She came from behind one bus straight into the front of another, the driver wouldn't of seen her. I hope her and the driver are ok. And as for the woman who was sat at the back of the bus who was suffereing with 'shock', get over yourself, think about the lady and driver and the shock they've received!
This accident happened right in front of me, the lady was very shaken but unhurt, luckily (or not) the electric wheelchair took the brunt. She came from behind one bus straight into the front of another, the driver wouldn't of seen her. I hope her and the driver are ok. And as for the woman who was sat at the back of the bus who was suffereing with 'shock', get over yourself, think about the lady and driver and the shock they've received! newbie80

5:31pm Wed 13 Mar 13

jolllyboy says...

Shared space does not work - end of.
Shared space does not work - end of. jolllyboy

6:38pm Wed 13 Mar 13

jantone says...

shared space DOES work!!they have already installed this system in Ashford,Kent. It's going to be rolled out throughout the country, so every other council approves of the idea as did southend council. People just have to take care when they cross the road, its not that difficult, just a bit of common sence!!!!!!!!!!!!
shared space DOES work!!they have already installed this system in Ashford,Kent. It's going to be rolled out throughout the country, so every other council approves of the idea as did southend council. People just have to take care when they cross the road, its not that difficult, just a bit of common sence!!!!!!!!!!!! jantone

6:41pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

jolllyboy wrote:
Shared space does not work - end of.
Only if you are think and stupid, people of reasonable intelligence have no problems...

I'd stay away if I were you!
[quote][p][bold]jolllyboy[/bold] wrote: Shared space does not work - end of.[/p][/quote]Only if you are think and stupid, people of reasonable intelligence have no problems... I'd stay away if I were you! Joe Wildman-Clark

6:45pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

Keptquiettillnow wrote:
Pleased that it seems the woman is doing fine. As for shared use, I think not, the speed that bus's bomb through the zone at 20mph says it all. That's not shared space.
The buses are fitted with black boxes like aircraft, IF you have seen one "speeding" through the shared space area get it's number and report it, state the time and date, the operators will be able to check and take action should any offence have taken place in shared space.
[quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: Pleased that it seems the woman is doing fine. As for shared use, I think not, the speed that bus's bomb through the zone at 20mph says it all. That's not shared space.[/p][/quote]The buses are fitted with black boxes like aircraft, IF you have seen one "speeding" through the shared space area get it's number and report it, state the time and date, the operators will be able to check and take action should any offence have taken place in shared space. Joe Wildman-Clark

6:54pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd says...

What is it going to take for Southend Council to abandon these hazardous shared space schemes? Someone getting killed???
Lets not forget one of the councils spy cars running over a young lad along the seafront shared space a while back.
What is it going to take for Southend Council to abandon these hazardous shared space schemes? Someone getting killed??? Lets not forget one of the councils spy cars running over a young lad along the seafront shared space a while back. Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd

7:00pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Devils Advocate says...

Basildon_Boy wrote:
All this shared space crap in Southend is pathetic. Buses, pedestrians and cyclists will never mix. There was a young girl knocked down on the seafront a few weeks back. Shared space again. Its plain and simple, people do not have common sense these days, well they might, but people are to busy day dreaming or on their phones. The article just says it all, 'womain wheelchair went between two buses'. I mean how stupid can you be. Only a matter of time before someone is killed.
You could have looked on that as "Only two accidents in the shared space, compared with heaven knows how many outside of it!"

The thing that I find worrying is that many of these roller skate thingies are driven by people who may not have any training in their safe use.
(I must add that I have no idea if this was the case here, and am not suggesting for one moment that it was.)
However, perhaps the drivers of these devices should undergo some kind of safety training, because there have been many, many accidents involving them and pedestrians,perhaps this is something that was just waiting to happen?.
[quote][p][bold]Basildon_Boy[/bold] wrote: All this shared space crap in Southend is pathetic. Buses, pedestrians and cyclists will never mix. There was a young girl knocked down on the seafront a few weeks back. Shared space again. Its plain and simple, people do not have common sense these days, well they might, but people are to busy day dreaming or on their phones. The article just says it all, 'womain wheelchair went between two buses'. I mean how stupid can you be. Only a matter of time before someone is killed.[/p][/quote]You could have looked on that as "Only two accidents in the shared space, compared with heaven knows how many outside of it!" The thing that I find worrying is that many of these roller skate thingies are driven by people who may not have any training in their safe use. (I must add that I have no idea if this was the case here, and am not suggesting for one moment that it was.) However, perhaps the drivers of these devices should undergo some kind of safety training, because there have been many, many accidents involving them and pedestrians,perhaps this is something that was just waiting to happen?. Devils Advocate

7:20pm Wed 13 Mar 13

WhateverS says...

billericay boy wrote:
Bus drivers have no moral's, if you are in the way , Tuff, and when they pull out from there stops, Tuff, I'm going if you hit me or not.
Totally agree. They drive like nutters they don't give two hoots for no one
[quote][p][bold]billericay boy[/bold] wrote: Bus drivers have no moral's, if you are in the way , Tuff, and when they pull out from there stops, Tuff, I'm going if you hit me or not.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. They drive like nutters they don't give two hoots for no one WhateverS

8:12pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd wrote:
What is it going to take for Southend Council to abandon these hazardous shared space schemes? Someone getting killed???
Lets not forget one of the councils spy cars running over a young lad along the seafront shared space a while back.
How many accidents happen outside shared space?

the spy car incident if I remeber rightly happened outside the New York amusement arcade where there is a kerb, so it was clear that there was a road there, so prehaps a lack of road sence had a lot to play.

Why not if you do not like/agree with the new road layouts use a diffrent route or are you too set in your ways to change.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd[/bold] wrote: What is it going to take for Southend Council to abandon these hazardous shared space schemes? Someone getting killed??? Lets not forget one of the councils spy cars running over a young lad along the seafront shared space a while back.[/p][/quote]How many accidents happen outside shared space? the spy car incident if I remeber rightly happened outside the New York amusement arcade where there is a kerb, so it was clear that there was a road there, so prehaps a lack of road sence had a lot to play. Why not if you do not like/agree with the new road layouts use a diffrent route or are you too set in your ways to change. Joe Wildman-Clark

9:42pm Wed 13 Mar 13

bumper says...

lot of people getting hit by buss lately
in southend ......
lot of people getting hit by buss lately in southend ...... bumper

1:04am Thu 14 Mar 13

Nebs says...

Who designed the shared space?
Who designed the shared space? Nebs

9:44am Thu 14 Mar 13

ballyblue says...

I saw what happened and she was hit by a bus not at speed but enough to clip her wheelchair, as for the comment from guygrim about being stupid. that's bang out of order as she may not have been able to see or to turn her neck. what I will say tho is that the bus drivers race to the lights and are going at speed. I was on crutches a while back and left enough time to go over when a bus suddleny speed up and then hooted at me!
I saw what happened and she was hit by a bus not at speed but enough to clip her wheelchair, as for the comment from guygrim about being stupid. that's bang out of order as she may not have been able to see or to turn her neck. what I will say tho is that the bus drivers race to the lights and are going at speed. I was on crutches a while back and left enough time to go over when a bus suddleny speed up and then hooted at me! ballyblue

10:28am Thu 14 Mar 13

Hannah Foster says...

Whether or not this lady was at fault I am sick and tired of seeing people walk out into the road without so much as a glance. I never cross a road without stoping and checking but it seems to be the exception rather than the norm to actually see people waiting on the pavement until it is safe to cross. I see it every single day. Parents just stroll out pushing their buggies without any consideration for their children, themselves or drivers. I frequently turn into my road and surprise people who, despite my indicator and slow speed shake their fists in annoyance. PLEASE learn how to cross the roads and show your children by active example. It is a wonder that there are not many more accidents. There really is no excuse.
Whether or not this lady was at fault I am sick and tired of seeing people walk out into the road without so much as a glance. I never cross a road without stoping and checking but it seems to be the exception rather than the norm to actually see people waiting on the pavement until it is safe to cross. I see it every single day. Parents just stroll out pushing their buggies without any consideration for their children, themselves or drivers. I frequently turn into my road and surprise people who, despite my indicator and slow speed shake their fists in annoyance. PLEASE learn how to cross the roads and show your children by active example. It is a wonder that there are not many more accidents. There really is no excuse. Hannah Foster

12:16pm Thu 14 Mar 13

_champagne2 says...

I agree with many of the comments on here regarding shared spaces for all, its an accident waiting to happen and it has. People visiting the area from the train are not going to know about it either - signs please SBC - useless lot as usual. I was on a bus the day before when a young man walked straight in front of a bus I was on just o/s Travelodge in Southend, he didn't even look. The bus driver looked grief stricken, it had been snowing, if he had been going any faster the guy would have died. I feel sorry for the drivers, people in Southend are day dreaming or on their phones in the main and some are just plain stupid
I agree with many of the comments on here regarding shared spaces for all, its an accident waiting to happen and it has. People visiting the area from the train are not going to know about it either - signs please SBC - useless lot as usual. I was on a bus the day before when a young man walked straight in front of a bus I was on just o/s Travelodge in Southend, he didn't even look. The bus driver looked grief stricken, it had been snowing, if he had been going any faster the guy would have died. I feel sorry for the drivers, people in Southend are day dreaming or on their phones in the main and some are just plain stupid _champagne2

12:50pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Ian P says...

jolllyboy wrote:
Shared space does not work - end of.
In Boston, (Lincs not US), they have turned the high street and large town centre square into shared space. The high street was formally a pedestrian only zone but now buses drive through the high street at walking pace with an audiable warning signal sounding. This works fine and there are no squished pedestrians left in the wake of the buses. As for the town centre square, pedestrians and motorised vehicles mix without an issue. Shared space can work unless those using it are determined to make it fail so that they can then say 'I told you so'.
[quote][p][bold]jolllyboy[/bold] wrote: Shared space does not work - end of.[/p][/quote]In Boston, (Lincs not US), they have turned the high street and large town centre square into shared space. The high street was formally a pedestrian only zone but now buses drive through the high street at walking pace with an audiable warning signal sounding. This works fine and there are no squished pedestrians left in the wake of the buses. As for the town centre square, pedestrians and motorised vehicles mix without an issue. Shared space can work unless those using it are determined to make it fail so that they can then say 'I told you so'. Ian P

1:58pm Thu 14 Mar 13

carlosfandango30 says...

i feel for the bus driver in this instance.

If the pedestrian is a local woman then she will be fully aware of the shared space area outside the station. If not then the mere road layout with the crossings and different coloured paving are a huge indication as to have your wits about you.

The bus driver should be able to do his job without fear of repriasals for SBCs bad planning.

This said I hope the lady is ok.
i feel for the bus driver in this instance. If the pedestrian is a local woman then she will be fully aware of the shared space area outside the station. If not then the mere road layout with the crossings and different coloured paving are a huge indication as to have your wits about you. The bus driver should be able to do his job without fear of repriasals for SBCs bad planning. This said I hope the lady is ok. carlosfandango30

1:59pm Thu 14 Mar 13

carlosfandango30 says...

perini wrote:
Shared spaces do not, and never will work, in this country!
because of the arrogance of the few. How many people/cars/buses use this daily and how many accidents?
[quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: Shared spaces do not, and never will work, in this country![/p][/quote]because of the arrogance of the few. How many people/cars/buses use this daily and how many accidents? carlosfandango30

2:48pm Thu 14 Mar 13

perini says...

carlosfandango30 wrote:
perini wrote: Shared spaces do not, and never will work, in this country!
because of the arrogance of the few. How many people/cars/buses use this daily and how many accidents?
One accident is one too many!
[quote][p][bold]carlosfandango30[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: Shared spaces do not, and never will work, in this country![/p][/quote]because of the arrogance of the few. How many people/cars/buses use this daily and how many accidents?[/p][/quote]One accident is one too many! perini

4:23pm Thu 14 Mar 13

r6keith says...

perini wrote:
carlosfandango30 wrote:
perini wrote: Shared spaces do not, and never will work, in this country!
because of the arrogance of the few. How many people/cars/buses use this daily and how many accidents?
One accident is one too many!
Best we get rid of everything thats ever been involved in an accident then, bloody hell theres nothing left !
[quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlosfandango30[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: Shared spaces do not, and never will work, in this country![/p][/quote]because of the arrogance of the few. How many people/cars/buses use this daily and how many accidents?[/p][/quote]One accident is one too many![/p][/quote]Best we get rid of everything thats ever been involved in an accident then, bloody hell theres nothing left ! r6keith

4:29pm Thu 14 Mar 13

r6keith says...

Reading the article and the statements on here this is down to someone crossing the road from behind a parked vehicle then getting hit by one coming the other way ! This is not the problem of shared space its just bad road crossing by the lady involved. Maybe waiting a moment till the road was clear so she had a good view before crossing would have been the correct thing to do !
Reading the article and the statements on here this is down to someone crossing the road from behind a parked vehicle then getting hit by one coming the other way ! This is not the problem of shared space its just bad road crossing by the lady involved. Maybe waiting a moment till the road was clear so she had a good view before crossing would have been the correct thing to do ! r6keith

4:32pm Thu 14 Mar 13

r6keith says...

If there is a problem with shared space its that to many people go into them with the thought it's MY SPACE !
If there is a problem with shared space its that to many people go into them with the thought it's MY SPACE ! r6keith

4:56pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

r6keith wrote:
perini wrote:
carlosfandango30 wrote:
perini wrote: Shared spaces do not, and never will work, in this country!
because of the arrogance of the few. How many people/cars/buses use this daily and how many accidents?
One accident is one too many!
Best we get rid of everything thats ever been involved in an accident then, bloody hell theres nothing left !
Agreed, if we have to get shot of shared space because of an accident than we must also get rid of EVERY road where somebody has been hit....

perini would you agree with that? or is it a case of you don't agree/like it so it must be wrong.
[quote][p][bold]r6keith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlosfandango30[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: Shared spaces do not, and never will work, in this country![/p][/quote]because of the arrogance of the few. How many people/cars/buses use this daily and how many accidents?[/p][/quote]One accident is one too many![/p][/quote]Best we get rid of everything thats ever been involved in an accident then, bloody hell theres nothing left ![/p][/quote]Agreed, if we have to get shot of shared space because of an accident than we must also get rid of EVERY road where somebody has been hit.... perini would you agree with that? or is it a case of you don't agree/like it so it must be wrong. Joe Wildman-Clark

5:04pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Keptquiettillnow says...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
Keptquiettillnow wrote:
Pleased that it seems the woman is doing fine. As for shared use, I think not, the speed that bus's bomb through the zone at 20mph says it all. That's not shared space.
The buses are fitted with black boxes like aircraft, IF you have seen one "speeding" through the shared space area get it's number and report it, state the time and date, the operators will be able to check and take action should any offence have taken place in shared space.
Like I said 'at 20mph' as directed by the speed signs at the start of the shared zone. Its not shared space when a bus, or any other vehicle is bombing through at 20mph.
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: Pleased that it seems the woman is doing fine. As for shared use, I think not, the speed that bus's bomb through the zone at 20mph says it all. That's not shared space.[/p][/quote]The buses are fitted with black boxes like aircraft, IF you have seen one "speeding" through the shared space area get it's number and report it, state the time and date, the operators will be able to check and take action should any offence have taken place in shared space.[/p][/quote]Like I said 'at 20mph' as directed by the speed signs at the start of the shared zone. Its not shared space when a bus, or any other vehicle is bombing through at 20mph. Keptquiettillnow

6:48pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

Keptquiettillnow wrote:
Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
Keptquiettillnow wrote:
Pleased that it seems the woman is doing fine. As for shared use, I think not, the speed that bus's bomb through the zone at 20mph says it all. That's not shared space.
The buses are fitted with black boxes like aircraft, IF you have seen one "speeding" through the shared space area get it's number and report it, state the time and date, the operators will be able to check and take action should any offence have taken place in shared space.
Like I said 'at 20mph' as directed by the speed signs at the start of the shared zone. Its not shared space when a bus, or any other vehicle is bombing through at 20mph.
And that is the fault of shared space...

If you see a bus speeding through report it, make a note of time, number, direction of travel and report it, they are all fitted with black boxes so it can be checked if they were sppeding through shared space, the driver log will show who was driving and action can be taken.

Not rocket science is it, but for some even that couse of action is too hard...
[quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: Pleased that it seems the woman is doing fine. As for shared use, I think not, the speed that bus's bomb through the zone at 20mph says it all. That's not shared space.[/p][/quote]The buses are fitted with black boxes like aircraft, IF you have seen one "speeding" through the shared space area get it's number and report it, state the time and date, the operators will be able to check and take action should any offence have taken place in shared space.[/p][/quote]Like I said 'at 20mph' as directed by the speed signs at the start of the shared zone. Its not shared space when a bus, or any other vehicle is bombing through at 20mph.[/p][/quote]And that is the fault of shared space... If you see a bus speeding through report it, make a note of time, number, direction of travel and report it, they are all fitted with black boxes so it can be checked if they were sppeding through shared space, the driver log will show who was driving and action can be taken. Not rocket science is it, but for some even that couse of action is too hard... Joe Wildman-Clark

7:49pm Thu 14 Mar 13

whataday says...

I don't live in Southend nor do I visit very often but looking at the picture above I would assume that was a pedestriansed area i.e. I would not expect any motor vehicles to be using it.
I don't live in Southend nor do I visit very often but looking at the picture above I would assume that was a pedestriansed area i.e. I would not expect any motor vehicles to be using it. whataday

11:35am Fri 15 Mar 13

Jax0310 says...

This is the most stupid traffic arrangement there has ever been. There is an enormous amount of wasted area now used for skateboarders and a silly statue that is too small and cost a fortune. Anyone coming round the turning by the multistorey has to swing out right to turn at the station. If you then go right people along side nearly crash into you as they swing in the outside lane. You can't turn into Short Street where the post office depot is- you have to go up Victoria Ave until you can find some way to turn round and come back. If you go into the car park you are directed out into a road with a green arrow that indicates that you can only turn right into town, as a result people go straight on and narrowly avoid crashing into cars coming from the other lanes - CRAZY who designed it - Monty Python?
This is the most stupid traffic arrangement there has ever been. There is an enormous amount of wasted area now used for skateboarders and a silly statue that is too small and cost a fortune. Anyone coming round the turning by the multistorey has to swing out right to turn at the station. If you then go right people along side nearly crash into you as they swing in the outside lane. You can't turn into Short Street where the post office depot is- you have to go up Victoria Ave until you can find some way to turn round and come back. If you go into the car park you are directed out into a road with a green arrow that indicates that you can only turn right into town, as a result people go straight on and narrowly avoid crashing into cars coming from the other lanes - CRAZY who designed it - Monty Python? Jax0310

2:44pm Fri 15 Mar 13

fredfoot says...

There were two buses waiting at the traffic lights to enter Victoria Avenue the lady went between these two in here buggy and was hit by a bus entering from Victoria Avenue the driver had no chance don't blame him.
There were two buses waiting at the traffic lights to enter Victoria Avenue the lady went between these two in here buggy and was hit by a bus entering from Victoria Avenue the driver had no chance don't blame him. fredfoot

4:42pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

fredfoot wrote:
There were two buses waiting at the traffic lights to enter Victoria Avenue the lady went between these two in here buggy and was hit by a bus entering from Victoria Avenue the driver had no chance don't blame him.
People don't care for facts, they probably expect bus drivers to have xray vision to see through buses, infrared vision to pick up heat signatures and radar to detect any buggys that might be positioned between two buses...
[quote][p][bold]fredfoot[/bold] wrote: There were two buses waiting at the traffic lights to enter Victoria Avenue the lady went between these two in here buggy and was hit by a bus entering from Victoria Avenue the driver had no chance don't blame him.[/p][/quote]People don't care for facts, they probably expect bus drivers to have xray vision to see through buses, infrared vision to pick up heat signatures and radar to detect any buggys that might be positioned between two buses... Joe Wildman-Clark

1:13pm Mon 18 Mar 13

predator 107 says...

Roads are for motor vehicles, pavements are for people. Even though I am a conservative supporter, this stupid council needs to be replaced with new conservative minded people. Get rid of the current award hungry, holier than thou, bunch who forget about residents and their damaged roads, paths and lighting. Disgusting people in the current council.
Roads are for motor vehicles, pavements are for people. Even though I am a conservative supporter, this stupid council needs to be replaced with new conservative minded people. Get rid of the current award hungry, holier than thou, bunch who forget about residents and their damaged roads, paths and lighting. Disgusting people in the current council. predator 107

10:58am Tue 19 Mar 13

max zorin says...

most of you were not even there so how can you comment!
most of you were not even there so how can you comment! max zorin

12:05pm Tue 19 Mar 13

norfolkbroad says...

Wow. What nasty comments...I wasn't there so I have no intention of judging, but I AM confined to a wheelchair and I CAN say: life is hard enough for anyone in a wheelchair without these sorts of comments. Whatever happened was surely not an intentional act by either side and you shouldn't judge anyone until you've walked in their shoes - or in this case,sat unable to walk at all! And by the way, we ARE trained to use a powered wheelchair by professionals. It isn't rocket science and it is more often than not the walking public not looking where they are going who bump into us and not the other way around. A wheelchair is not as manoeverable as a person so please bear that in mind the next time you run out of a shop without looking. I am sure the lady in this story would have been crossing by a ramped area. i.e. the only place she could cross in a wheelchair. I find this part of town very difficult to use safely and avoid it if I can.
Wow. What nasty comments...I wasn't there so I have no intention of judging, but I AM confined to a wheelchair and I CAN say: life is hard enough for anyone in a wheelchair without these sorts of comments. Whatever happened was surely not an intentional act by either side and you shouldn't judge anyone until you've walked in their shoes - or in this case,sat unable to walk at all! And by the way, we ARE trained to use a powered wheelchair by professionals. It isn't rocket science and it is more often than not the walking public not looking where they are going who bump into us and not the other way around. A wheelchair is not as manoeverable as a person so please bear that in mind the next time you run out of a shop without looking. I am sure the lady in this story would have been crossing by a ramped area. i.e. the only place she could cross in a wheelchair. I find this part of town very difficult to use safely and avoid it if I can. norfolkbroad

7:41pm Tue 19 Mar 13

gangsta_len says...

Shared space works if you look where you are going. Firstly engage brain then walk across shared space being careful not to get run over.
Shared space works if you look where you are going. Firstly engage brain then walk across shared space being careful not to get run over. gangsta_len

7:41pm Tue 19 Mar 13

gangsta_len says...

Or in this case wheel but you get the idea.
Or in this case wheel but you get the idea. gangsta_len

12:33pm Wed 20 Mar 13

gordonbennet says...

According to the Department for Transport, shared space is defined as 'a street or place designed to improve pedstrian movement and comfort by reducing the dominance of motor vehicles and enabling users to share the space rather than follow the clearly-defined rules implied by more conventional designs'. They go on to say that an appropriate design speed for sharing is 15 mph or less. Unfortunately, Southend council do not appear to have followed the guidelines and the result is confusion for road users and pedestrians alike, both at Victoria Gateway and City Beach.
According to the Department for Transport, shared space is defined as 'a street or place designed to improve pedstrian movement and comfort by reducing the dominance of motor vehicles and enabling users to share the space rather than follow the clearly-defined rules implied by more conventional designs'. They go on to say that an appropriate design speed for sharing is 15 mph or less. Unfortunately, Southend council do not appear to have followed the guidelines and the result is confusion for road users and pedestrians alike, both at Victoria Gateway and City Beach. gordonbennet

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