Government transport minister to hear proposals for third road off Canvey

5:30pm Thursday 21st March 2013 in News

Time for change? - Rebecca Harris MP with Transport Minister Stephen Hammond MP at Waterside Farm roundabout Time for change? - Rebecca Harris MP with Transport Minister Stephen Hammond MP at Waterside Farm roundabout

A SENIOR Government official has agreed to hear proposals to build a third road off Canvey.

Campaigns to build a third access route off Canvey in a bid to dramatically reduce congestion have been ongoing for a generation as currently only two roads link the island to the mainland.

Now, MP Stephen Hammond, Secretary of State for Transport, has agreed to a meeting with Essex County Council and Castle Point Council to discuss proposals to extend Northwick Road to Pitsea.

This comes after political heavyweights county councillor Ray Howard and Castle Point MP Rebecca Harris, who will also be attending, wrote to the minister to try and get Government backing for the scheme.

Mr Howard said: “Getting a third road off of our island is something that I have been campaigning for on behalf of residents for a long time. I believe now, with the immanent opening of the DP world super port just next to Coryton, the proposed opening of a business park at the junction of Northwick Road and the new Roscommon Way, the economic case to present to the Government has never been so strong.

“But this is not just about economics, our island suffers dreadfully from traffic congestion, one incident near waterside farm and the gridlock can snarl up most of Canvey.”

Both roads off the island travel through Waterside Roundabout, meaning motorists are subjected to chaos on both highways if there is an accident on the busy junction.

The move would mean drivers would have an alternative route off which does not take them to Waterside roundabout.

Islanders suffered extensive delays last Christmas when Ferry Road in Benfleet was shut due to repair works at Benfleet train station, and accident on Waterside Farm as well as a slip lane closure at Sadlers Farm left them essentially trapped.

Mrs Harris said:“Previously Ray and I bought the Minister here to see how badly a third road is needed for the island with his own eyes. This is the number one issue for many people on Canvey and with the Government’s new focus on boosting local infrastructure, it could be a good time to be making the case.

“This could really boost the local economy of our whole borough and make a major difference to the day to day lives of many people on the island.”
 

The meeting will take place on April 16 in Westminster.

Comments (45)

5:40pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Wooosh says...

Building for months and probably ruining the nature reserve which runs alongside the road....hmmm, don't agree with Ray on this one!
Building for months and probably ruining the nature reserve which runs alongside the road....hmmm, don't agree with Ray on this one! Wooosh

5:52pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Carnabackable says...

You can't bring the Ferry Road bridge work, into the equation, as it was a one off, perhaps the best route could be to two tree island, linking Canvey with Leigh
You can't bring the Ferry Road bridge work, into the equation, as it was a one off, perhaps the best route could be to two tree island, linking Canvey with Leigh Carnabackable

6:16pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Carnabackable says...

Though it must be said, the proposal to build the road, via Northwick Road does seem the most favoured, as it's 40% complete already, and most of those leaving Canvey, are heading west.
One way to ensure the road is built, would be to have a small charge to use it, like the Dartford crossing, say 2 pounds to leave, and 1 pound to return.
Though it must be said, the proposal to build the road, via Northwick Road does seem the most favoured, as it's 40% complete already, and most of those leaving Canvey, are heading west. One way to ensure the road is built, would be to have a small charge to use it, like the Dartford crossing, say 2 pounds to leave, and 1 pound to return. Carnabackable

6:32pm Thu 21 Mar 13

marshman says...

Carnabackable wrote:
You can't bring the Ferry Road bridge work, into the equation, as it was a one off, perhaps the best route could be to two tree island, linking Canvey with Leigh
That was first proposed in the 1950's together with a tram-way and road at the base of the sea-wall from the point. Suggest it today and all the environmentalists (tree huggers, country park lovers, bird lovers, tiny little creepy crawly lovers etc etc) would try to lynch you.
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: You can't bring the Ferry Road bridge work, into the equation, as it was a one off, perhaps the best route could be to two tree island, linking Canvey with Leigh[/p][/quote]That was first proposed in the 1950's together with a tram-way and road at the base of the sea-wall from the point. Suggest it today and all the environmentalists (tree huggers, country park lovers, bird lovers, tiny little creepy crawly lovers etc etc) would try to lynch you. marshman

6:40pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Carnabackable says...

marshman wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
You can't bring the Ferry Road bridge work, into the equation, as it was a one off, perhaps the best route could be to two tree island, linking Canvey with Leigh
That was first proposed in the 1950's together with a tram-way and road at the base of the sea-wall from the point. Suggest it today and all the environmentalists (tree huggers, country park lovers, bird lovers, tiny little creepy crawly lovers etc etc) would try to lynch you.
I agree, after all Canvey and Pitsea, do somehow go together well, most workers leaving Canvey are heading west, hope it's a dual carriageway..
[quote][p][bold]marshman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: You can't bring the Ferry Road bridge work, into the equation, as it was a one off, perhaps the best route could be to two tree island, linking Canvey with Leigh[/p][/quote]That was first proposed in the 1950's together with a tram-way and road at the base of the sea-wall from the point. Suggest it today and all the environmentalists (tree huggers, country park lovers, bird lovers, tiny little creepy crawly lovers etc etc) would try to lynch you.[/p][/quote]I agree, after all Canvey and Pitsea, do somehow go together well, most workers leaving Canvey are heading west, hope it's a dual carriageway.. Carnabackable

6:42pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Nebs says...

marshman wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
You can't bring the Ferry Road bridge work, into the equation, as it was a one off, perhaps the best route could be to two tree island, linking Canvey with Leigh
That was first proposed in the 1950's together with a tram-way and road at the base of the sea-wall from the point. Suggest it today and all the environmentalists (tree huggers, country park lovers, bird lovers, tiny little creepy crawly lovers etc etc) would try to lynch you.
How about south, via a bridge or tunnel, to Kent.
[quote][p][bold]marshman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: You can't bring the Ferry Road bridge work, into the equation, as it was a one off, perhaps the best route could be to two tree island, linking Canvey with Leigh[/p][/quote]That was first proposed in the 1950's together with a tram-way and road at the base of the sea-wall from the point. Suggest it today and all the environmentalists (tree huggers, country park lovers, bird lovers, tiny little creepy crawly lovers etc etc) would try to lynch you.[/p][/quote]How about south, via a bridge or tunnel, to Kent. Nebs

6:50pm Thu 21 Mar 13

DIABOLIC says...

marshman wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
You can't bring the Ferry Road bridge work, into the equation, as it was a one off, perhaps the best route could be to two tree island, linking Canvey with Leigh
That was first proposed in the 1950's together with a tram-way and road at the base of the sea-wall from the point. Suggest it today and all the environmentalists (tree huggers, country park lovers, bird lovers, tiny little creepy crawly lovers etc etc) would try to lynch you.
A tram was first proposed in 1902 by Hester to link his wintergardens tramway with Leigh.... I don't think you'll fine Leigh on Sea residents allowing any such thing, let alone the environmentalist!
[quote][p][bold]marshman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: You can't bring the Ferry Road bridge work, into the equation, as it was a one off, perhaps the best route could be to two tree island, linking Canvey with Leigh[/p][/quote]That was first proposed in the 1950's together with a tram-way and road at the base of the sea-wall from the point. Suggest it today and all the environmentalists (tree huggers, country park lovers, bird lovers, tiny little creepy crawly lovers etc etc) would try to lynch you.[/p][/quote]A tram was first proposed in 1902 by Hester to link his wintergardens tramway with Leigh.... I don't think you'll fine Leigh on Sea residents allowing any such thing, let alone the environmentalist! DIABOLIC

6:50pm Thu 21 Mar 13

DIABOLIC says...

^ find
^ find DIABOLIC

7:07pm Thu 21 Mar 13

joe2345 says...

The money wasted on sadler's farm and the road to nowhere would have easily paid for a third road.
The money wasted on sadler's farm and the road to nowhere would have easily paid for a third road. joe2345

7:22pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Sean4u says...

The last thing Canvey needs is more road access - it has become a cheap motel as it is. Build a cable car from Canvey Heights to Two Tree Island / Leigh instead. That way some of the traffic currently going through Benfleet could go that way and at least some of the rush hour traffic on the Island would be using the other side of the road.
The last thing Canvey needs is more road access - it has become a cheap motel as it is. Build a cable car from Canvey Heights to Two Tree Island / Leigh instead. That way some of the traffic currently going through Benfleet could go that way and at least some of the rush hour traffic on the Island would be using the other side of the road. Sean4u

7:32pm Thu 21 Mar 13

joe2345 says...

Sean4u wrote:
The last thing Canvey needs is more road access - it has become a cheap motel as it is. Build a cable car from Canvey Heights to Two Tree Island / Leigh instead. That way some of the traffic currently going through Benfleet could go that way and at least some of the rush hour traffic on the Island would be using the other side of the road.
The traffic would still come to a halt in the A13 towards southend, aka Traffic Light central
[quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: The last thing Canvey needs is more road access - it has become a cheap motel as it is. Build a cable car from Canvey Heights to Two Tree Island / Leigh instead. That way some of the traffic currently going through Benfleet could go that way and at least some of the rush hour traffic on the Island would be using the other side of the road.[/p][/quote]The traffic would still come to a halt in the A13 towards southend, aka Traffic Light central joe2345

7:39pm Thu 21 Mar 13

GrumpyofLeigh says...

Nooooooooooooooo - leave 'em there
Nooooooooooooooo - leave 'em there GrumpyofLeigh

10:47pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Nebs says...

Why are they always referred to as roads OFF Canvey when you can travel in both directions?
Why are they always referred to as roads OFF Canvey when you can travel in both directions? Nebs

7:03am Fri 22 Mar 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

Link any new road to kent, another crossing is far more urgent.
Link any new road to kent, another crossing is far more urgent. notinwestcliffanymore

7:33am Fri 22 Mar 13

John T Pharro says...

Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there?
As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.
Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it. John T Pharro

8:22am Fri 22 Mar 13

John T Pharro says...

joe2345 wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
The last thing Canvey needs is more road access - it has become a cheap motel as it is. Build a cable car from Canvey Heights to Two Tree Island / Leigh instead. That way some of the traffic currently going through Benfleet could go that way and at least some of the rush hour traffic on the Island would be using the other side of the road.
The traffic would still come to a halt in the A13 towards southend, aka Traffic Light central
Not to mention how do you get a car in a cable car? Sean4U cannot understand your likening Canvey to a "cheap motel". The houses are not dissimilar to those in Benfleet or Rayleigh, or is this another dig about the people that live here?
[quote][p][bold]joe2345[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: The last thing Canvey needs is more road access - it has become a cheap motel as it is. Build a cable car from Canvey Heights to Two Tree Island / Leigh instead. That way some of the traffic currently going through Benfleet could go that way and at least some of the rush hour traffic on the Island would be using the other side of the road.[/p][/quote]The traffic would still come to a halt in the A13 towards southend, aka Traffic Light central[/p][/quote]Not to mention how do you get a car in a cable car? Sean4U cannot understand your likening Canvey to a "cheap motel". The houses are not dissimilar to those in Benfleet or Rayleigh, or is this another dig about the people that live here? John T Pharro

8:32am Fri 22 Mar 13

John T Pharro says...

DIABOLIC wrote:
marshman wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
You can't bring the Ferry Road bridge work, into the equation, as it was a one off, perhaps the best route could be to two tree island, linking Canvey with Leigh
That was first proposed in the 1950's together with a tram-way and road at the base of the sea-wall from the point. Suggest it today and all the environmentalists (tree huggers, country park lovers, bird lovers, tiny little creepy crawly lovers etc etc) would try to lynch you.
A tram was first proposed in 1902 by Hester to link his wintergardens tramway with Leigh.... I don't think you'll fine Leigh on Sea residents allowing any such thing, let alone the environmentalist!
One look at the map our MP is holding makes that clear. Just where on the A13 in Hadleigh or Leigh do you put that road route into and just where for that matter will it exactly come from on Canvey? The eastern end of Canvey has single lane roads and is a solid residential area.
[quote][p][bold]DIABOLIC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marshman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: You can't bring the Ferry Road bridge work, into the equation, as it was a one off, perhaps the best route could be to two tree island, linking Canvey with Leigh[/p][/quote]That was first proposed in the 1950's together with a tram-way and road at the base of the sea-wall from the point. Suggest it today and all the environmentalists (tree huggers, country park lovers, bird lovers, tiny little creepy crawly lovers etc etc) would try to lynch you.[/p][/quote]A tram was first proposed in 1902 by Hester to link his wintergardens tramway with Leigh.... I don't think you'll fine Leigh on Sea residents allowing any such thing, let alone the environmentalist![/p][/quote]One look at the map our MP is holding makes that clear. Just where on the A13 in Hadleigh or Leigh do you put that road route into and just where for that matter will it exactly come from on Canvey? The eastern end of Canvey has single lane roads and is a solid residential area. John T Pharro

8:53am Fri 22 Mar 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

put the road through your newly drained park..
put the road through your newly drained park.. notinwestcliffanymore

9:56am Fri 22 Mar 13

Whatthe* says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there?
As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.
I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.[/p][/quote]I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established Whatthe*

10:23am Fri 22 Mar 13

Sean4u says...

John T Pharro wrote:
joe2345 wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
The last thing Canvey needs is more road access - it has become a cheap motel as it is. Build a cable car from Canvey Heights to Two Tree Island / Leigh instead. That way some of the traffic currently going through Benfleet could go that way and at least some of the rush hour traffic on the Island would be using the other side of the road.
The traffic would still come to a halt in the A13 towards southend, aka Traffic Light central
Not to mention how do you get a car in a cable car? Sean4U cannot understand your likening Canvey to a "cheap motel". The houses are not dissimilar to those in Benfleet or Rayleigh, or is this another dig about the people that live here?
It was more a dig at past planning decisions, though Canvey's physical appearance is perhaps more a consequence of its inhabitants' choices than any other place. I think the Island is ruined by people choosing it as 'the cheapest place to get a house with plenty of parking' who then spend as little time as possible on it, choosing instead to drive off it at every opportunity. Nebs made an insightful comment about roads "OFF Canvey": that's the aspirational direction.

Adding another road will only make Canvey less pleasant. Adding a road at the West end of the Island risks worsening the 'bad cul de sac' aspect of Canvey. If money is to be spent on Canvey infrastructure it should have an overwhelming character of 'improving Canvey' about it: making the evacuation channel wider sends out the wrong message.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joe2345[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: The last thing Canvey needs is more road access - it has become a cheap motel as it is. Build a cable car from Canvey Heights to Two Tree Island / Leigh instead. That way some of the traffic currently going through Benfleet could go that way and at least some of the rush hour traffic on the Island would be using the other side of the road.[/p][/quote]The traffic would still come to a halt in the A13 towards southend, aka Traffic Light central[/p][/quote]Not to mention how do you get a car in a cable car? Sean4U cannot understand your likening Canvey to a "cheap motel". The houses are not dissimilar to those in Benfleet or Rayleigh, or is this another dig about the people that live here?[/p][/quote]It was more a dig at past planning decisions, though Canvey's physical appearance is perhaps more a consequence of its inhabitants' choices than any other place. I think the Island is ruined by people choosing it as 'the cheapest place to get a house with plenty of parking' who then spend as little time as possible on it, choosing instead to drive off it at every opportunity. Nebs made an insightful comment about roads "OFF Canvey": that's the aspirational direction. Adding another road will only make Canvey less pleasant. Adding a road at the West end of the Island risks worsening the 'bad cul de sac' aspect of Canvey. If money is to be spent on Canvey infrastructure it should have an overwhelming character of 'improving Canvey' about it: making the evacuation channel wider sends out the wrong message. Sean4u

12:20pm Fri 22 Mar 13

crazyminis says...

The last thing commuters need is more Road works casuing delays. I commute on/off Canvey daily and cannot complain about the time it takes since Sadlers Farm has finally been finished. Once in six years I have been 'stuck' on the island and not attempted to go the work. 1/1500 days is not a realistic ratio to warrant another road. What are Rebacca Harris & Ray Howard doing for the people? because they are certainly not listening to their needs! and if Stephen Hammond doesnt commute through Waterside farm Roundabout then why is he even given an opinion???
Spent the funds on fixing pot holes or something else useful like a running a Fire Station!
The last thing commuters need is more Road works casuing delays. I commute on/off Canvey daily and cannot complain about the time it takes since Sadlers Farm has finally been finished. Once in six years I have been 'stuck' on the island and not attempted to go the work. 1/1500 days is not a realistic ratio to warrant another road. What are Rebacca Harris & Ray Howard doing for the people? because they are certainly not listening to their needs! and if Stephen Hammond doesnt commute through Waterside farm Roundabout then why is he even given an opinion??? Spent the funds on fixing pot holes or something else useful like a running a Fire Station! crazyminis

12:52pm Fri 22 Mar 13

John T Pharro says...

Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there?
As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.
I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established
That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.
[quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.[/p][/quote]I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established[/p][/quote]That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now. John T Pharro

1:58pm Fri 22 Mar 13

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2:23pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Whatthe* says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.
I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established
That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.
John
you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea.
Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.[/p][/quote]I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established[/p][/quote]That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.[/p][/quote]John you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea. Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state. Whatthe*

2:48pm Fri 22 Mar 13

John T Pharro says...

Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.
I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established
That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.
John
you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea.
Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state.
Of course it is the "Echo" that says Pitsea and yes it looks sensible to build to Corringham. However, does not change my comments about having to stop lorries using it from the port does it? Do you not think if it were a better cheaper option with all the money Dubai Ports (who are building Corringham have) or for our Government to fund it wouldn't have been part of the port development?
[quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.[/p][/quote]I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established[/p][/quote]That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.[/p][/quote]John you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea. Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state.[/p][/quote]Of course it is the "Echo" that says Pitsea and yes it looks sensible to build to Corringham. However, does not change my comments about having to stop lorries using it from the port does it? Do you not think if it were a better cheaper option with all the money Dubai Ports (who are building Corringham have) or for our Government to fund it wouldn't have been part of the port development? John T Pharro

2:51pm Fri 22 Mar 13

John T Pharro says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.
I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established
That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.
John
you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea.
Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state.
Of course it is the "Echo" that says Pitsea and yes it looks sensible to build to Corringham. However, does not change my comments about having to stop lorries using it from the port does it? Do you not think if it were a better cheaper option with all the money Dubai Ports (who are building Corringham have) or for our Government to fund it wouldn't have been part of the port development?
By the way where is the land in Basildon at Pitsea? Watt Tyler Park I don't think so. They have just flooded Vange Marsh to make it a wetland. Don't you think that the duelling of Canvey Way would ease th traffic problem for the CURRENT residents?
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.[/p][/quote]I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established[/p][/quote]That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.[/p][/quote]John you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea. Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state.[/p][/quote]Of course it is the "Echo" that says Pitsea and yes it looks sensible to build to Corringham. However, does not change my comments about having to stop lorries using it from the port does it? Do you not think if it were a better cheaper option with all the money Dubai Ports (who are building Corringham have) or for our Government to fund it wouldn't have been part of the port development?[/p][/quote]By the way where is the land in Basildon at Pitsea? Watt Tyler Park I don't think so. They have just flooded Vange Marsh to make it a wetland. Don't you think that the duelling of Canvey Way would ease th traffic problem for the CURRENT residents? John T Pharro

2:55pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Whatthe* says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.
I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established
That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.
John you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea. Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state.
Of course it is the "Echo" that says Pitsea and yes it looks sensible to build to Corringham. However, does not change my comments about having to stop lorries using it from the port does it? Do you not think if it were a better cheaper option with all the money Dubai Ports (who are building Corringham have) or for our Government to fund it wouldn't have been part of the port development?
The question should be if Lorries use it do Canvey Residents say no we do not want that option ?


Yes the money could come from the Dubai Port which could fund an expensive road in times of funding shortages but even if lorries use it it must be a massive positive and if the LPG plant decides to tanker it off it would by-pass nearly all residents.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.[/p][/quote]I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established[/p][/quote]That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.[/p][/quote]John you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea. Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state.[/p][/quote]Of course it is the "Echo" that says Pitsea and yes it looks sensible to build to Corringham. However, does not change my comments about having to stop lorries using it from the port does it? Do you not think if it were a better cheaper option with all the money Dubai Ports (who are building Corringham have) or for our Government to fund it wouldn't have been part of the port development?[/p][/quote]The question should be if Lorries use it do Canvey Residents say no we do not want that option ? Yes the money could come from the Dubai Port which could fund an expensive road in times of funding shortages but even if lorries use it it must be a massive positive and if the LPG plant decides to tanker it off it would by-pass nearly all residents. Whatthe*

3:01pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Whatthe* says...

John T Pharro wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.
I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established
That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.
John you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea. Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state.
Of course it is the "Echo" that says Pitsea and yes it looks sensible to build to Corringham. However, does not change my comments about having to stop lorries using it from the port does it? Do you not think if it were a better cheaper option with all the money Dubai Ports (who are building Corringham have) or for our Government to fund it wouldn't have been part of the port development?
By the way where is the land in Basildon at Pitsea? Watt Tyler Park I don't think so. They have just flooded Vange Marsh to make it a wetland. Don't you think that the duelling of Canvey Way would ease th traffic problem for the CURRENT residents?
The duelling of Canvey way would help yes i agree but thats not the only issue of Canvey residents is it ?
They want a alternative route on and off Canvey that does not involve Waterside roundabout, ideally in a perfect world where money was not an issue then both options would be better, but as it isn't pick one and fight for it .
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.[/p][/quote]I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established[/p][/quote]That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.[/p][/quote]John you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea. Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state.[/p][/quote]Of course it is the "Echo" that says Pitsea and yes it looks sensible to build to Corringham. However, does not change my comments about having to stop lorries using it from the port does it? Do you not think if it were a better cheaper option with all the money Dubai Ports (who are building Corringham have) or for our Government to fund it wouldn't have been part of the port development?[/p][/quote]By the way where is the land in Basildon at Pitsea? Watt Tyler Park I don't think so. They have just flooded Vange Marsh to make it a wetland. Don't you think that the duelling of Canvey Way would ease th traffic problem for the CURRENT residents?[/p][/quote]The duelling of Canvey way would help yes i agree but thats not the only issue of Canvey residents is it ? They want a alternative route on and off Canvey that does not involve Waterside roundabout, ideally in a perfect world where money was not an issue then both options would be better, but as it isn't pick one and fight for it . Whatthe*

3:02pm Fri 22 Mar 13

John T Pharro says...

Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.
I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established
That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.
John you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea. Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state.
Of course it is the "Echo" that says Pitsea and yes it looks sensible to build to Corringham. However, does not change my comments about having to stop lorries using it from the port does it? Do you not think if it were a better cheaper option with all the money Dubai Ports (who are building Corringham have) or for our Government to fund it wouldn't have been part of the port development?
The question should be if Lorries use it do Canvey Residents say no we do not want that option ?


Yes the money could come from the Dubai Port which could fund an expensive road in times of funding shortages but even if lorries use it it must be a massive positive and if the LPG plant decides to tanker it off it would by-pass nearly all residents.
Are you serious have you any idea how many lorry movements there will be? There are 20000 people going to work at this port? Can you imagine Waterside Farm and a single lane Canvey Way coping?
Actually the chances of a third road off Canvey are zero, because if we cannot get the obvious and easiest thing done getting Canvey Way duelled do you really think it has any chance?
[quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.[/p][/quote]I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established[/p][/quote]That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.[/p][/quote]John you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea. Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state.[/p][/quote]Of course it is the "Echo" that says Pitsea and yes it looks sensible to build to Corringham. However, does not change my comments about having to stop lorries using it from the port does it? Do you not think if it were a better cheaper option with all the money Dubai Ports (who are building Corringham have) or for our Government to fund it wouldn't have been part of the port development?[/p][/quote]The question should be if Lorries use it do Canvey Residents say no we do not want that option ? Yes the money could come from the Dubai Port which could fund an expensive road in times of funding shortages but even if lorries use it it must be a massive positive and if the LPG plant decides to tanker it off it would by-pass nearly all residents.[/p][/quote]Are you serious have you any idea how many lorry movements there will be? There are 20000 people going to work at this port? Can you imagine Waterside Farm and a single lane Canvey Way coping? Actually the chances of a third road off Canvey are zero, because if we cannot get the obvious and easiest thing done getting Canvey Way duelled do you really think it has any chance? John T Pharro

3:11pm Fri 22 Mar 13

G Man says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.
I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established
That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.
John you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea. Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state.
Of course it is the "Echo" that says Pitsea and yes it looks sensible to build to Corringham. However, does not change my comments about having to stop lorries using it from the port does it? Do you not think if it were a better cheaper option with all the money Dubai Ports (who are building Corringham have) or for our Government to fund it wouldn't have been part of the port development?
The question should be if Lorries use it do Canvey Residents say no we do not want that option ? Yes the money could come from the Dubai Port which could fund an expensive road in times of funding shortages but even if lorries use it it must be a massive positive and if the LPG plant decides to tanker it off it would by-pass nearly all residents.
Are you serious have you any idea how many lorry movements there will be? There are 20000 people going to work at this port? Can you imagine Waterside Farm and a single lane Canvey Way coping? Actually the chances of a third road off Canvey are zero, because if we cannot get the obvious and easiest thing done getting Canvey Way duelled do you really think it has any chance?
Read this and then make your own judgement on ho wmuch traffic will use a Thurrock - Canvey link road:
http://canveygb.word

press.com/2013/03/22

/canvey-island-to-re

ceive-more-than-its-

fair-share-of-the-bo

roughs-funding/
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.[/p][/quote]I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established[/p][/quote]That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.[/p][/quote]John you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea. Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state.[/p][/quote]Of course it is the "Echo" that says Pitsea and yes it looks sensible to build to Corringham. However, does not change my comments about having to stop lorries using it from the port does it? Do you not think if it were a better cheaper option with all the money Dubai Ports (who are building Corringham have) or for our Government to fund it wouldn't have been part of the port development?[/p][/quote]The question should be if Lorries use it do Canvey Residents say no we do not want that option ? Yes the money could come from the Dubai Port which could fund an expensive road in times of funding shortages but even if lorries use it it must be a massive positive and if the LPG plant decides to tanker it off it would by-pass nearly all residents.[/p][/quote]Are you serious have you any idea how many lorry movements there will be? There are 20000 people going to work at this port? Can you imagine Waterside Farm and a single lane Canvey Way coping? Actually the chances of a third road off Canvey are zero, because if we cannot get the obvious and easiest thing done getting Canvey Way duelled do you really think it has any chance?[/p][/quote]Read this and then make your own judgement on ho wmuch traffic will use a Thurrock - Canvey link road: http://canveygb.word press.com/2013/03/22 /canvey-island-to-re ceive-more-than-its- fair-share-of-the-bo roughs-funding/ G Man

3:21pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Whatthe* says...

G-Man
I have read that report on the web site, some housing will occur on Canvey and 500 have already been lined up for the next 5 years with slightly more on the mainland, the traffic is equally bad on the mainland and the estimated homes target for the last part of the 15 housing target is likely to be on the mainland.
I find it hard to believe that anyone would be against any extra method to enter or exit Canvey people have asked for it for decades and now the possibility has taken a small step forward and extra circumstances ( ie DP )are helping, some Canvey people are still moaning I do not get it.
G-Man I have read that report on the web site, some housing will occur on Canvey and 500 have already been lined up for the next 5 years with slightly more on the mainland, the traffic is equally bad on the mainland and the estimated homes target for the last part of the 15 housing target is likely to be on the mainland. I find it hard to believe that anyone would be against any extra method to enter or exit Canvey people have asked for it for decades and now the possibility has taken a small step forward and extra circumstances ( ie DP )are helping, some Canvey people are still moaning I do not get it. Whatthe*

3:54pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Carnabackable says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.
I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established
That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.
John you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea. Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state.
Of course it is the "Echo" that says Pitsea and yes it looks sensible to build to Corringham. However, does not change my comments about having to stop lorries using it from the port does it? Do you not think if it were a better cheaper option with all the money Dubai Ports (who are building Corringham have) or for our Government to fund it wouldn't have been part of the port development?
The question should be if Lorries use it do Canvey Residents say no we do not want that option ?


Yes the money could come from the Dubai Port which could fund an expensive road in times of funding shortages but even if lorries use it it must be a massive positive and if the LPG plant decides to tanker it off it would by-pass nearly all residents.
Are you serious have you any idea how many lorry movements there will be? There are 20000 people going to work at this port? Can you imagine Waterside Farm and a single lane Canvey Way coping?
Actually the chances of a third road off Canvey are zero, because if we cannot get the obvious and easiest thing done getting Canvey Way duelled do you really think it has any chance?
Pharro, stop burying your head in the island clay, if Canvey has another road, Northwick will be it...
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Not as simple as it looks on the map. That emergency road comes out at the railway level crossing at Tesco Pitsea. Just how do you put in the infrastructure to accommodate a major road junction there? As Canvey Way was not duelled when the recent Sadler's Farm roadworks were done our MP might just as well turn the map she is holding into a kite and fly it.[/p][/quote]I think the option is not for the emergency road as the route but connecting from Morissons to Mobile Oil Club shortest route with best roads already established[/p][/quote]That is to Corringham and I think you will find the road if our MP is looking at it is the current emergency road to Pitsea it comes out where I said. There,as far as I can see, no link to Corringham. Floated out years ago, massive anti from Corringham residents and the new port now being built if now a road is built would have to ensure lorries are banned, otherwise night and day it would be lorry after lorry coming down Northwick Road and up Canvey Way. That is the real reason for all the Sadler's Farm road "improvements" now.[/p][/quote]John you are relying on the ECHO for the facts Northwick Road points directly at Corringham and the Mobile site before it bends to Pitsea. Of course Basildon maybe more receptive to Canvey traffic exiting on to their land than Thurrock are but the Thurrock route is straighter and in a better state.[/p][/quote]Of course it is the "Echo" that says Pitsea and yes it looks sensible to build to Corringham. However, does not change my comments about having to stop lorries using it from the port does it? Do you not think if it were a better cheaper option with all the money Dubai Ports (who are building Corringham have) or for our Government to fund it wouldn't have been part of the port development?[/p][/quote]The question should be if Lorries use it do Canvey Residents say no we do not want that option ? Yes the money could come from the Dubai Port which could fund an expensive road in times of funding shortages but even if lorries use it it must be a massive positive and if the LPG plant decides to tanker it off it would by-pass nearly all residents.[/p][/quote]Are you serious have you any idea how many lorry movements there will be? There are 20000 people going to work at this port? Can you imagine Waterside Farm and a single lane Canvey Way coping? Actually the chances of a third road off Canvey are zero, because if we cannot get the obvious and easiest thing done getting Canvey Way duelled do you really think it has any chance?[/p][/quote]Pharro, stop burying your head in the island clay, if Canvey has another road, Northwick will be it... Carnabackable

4:01pm Fri 22 Mar 13

G Man says...

Whatthe* wrote:
G-Man I have read that report on the web site, some housing will occur on Canvey and 500 have already been lined up for the next 5 years with slightly more on the mainland, the traffic is equally bad on the mainland and the estimated homes target for the last part of the 15 housing target is likely to be on the mainland. I find it hard to believe that anyone would be against any extra method to enter or exit Canvey people have asked for it for decades and now the possibility has taken a small step forward and extra circumstances ( ie DP )are helping, some Canvey people are still moaning I do not get it.
I've just re-read the article and can't see it as moaning, just observations. Can't say I am glad to hear the Mainland will be taking the last part of the 15 year housing supply, if what you say is true, although some housing regeneration is needed looking at the Census figures for the Mainland.
I don't think you will find any Canvey person against another option of access to the Island, good luck to Ray and Rebecca. But you can't ignore the quote lifted from a consultation document regarding the Canvey Thurrock link and the new Port being of little use, if that is correct.
[quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: G-Man I have read that report on the web site, some housing will occur on Canvey and 500 have already been lined up for the next 5 years with slightly more on the mainland, the traffic is equally bad on the mainland and the estimated homes target for the last part of the 15 housing target is likely to be on the mainland. I find it hard to believe that anyone would be against any extra method to enter or exit Canvey people have asked for it for decades and now the possibility has taken a small step forward and extra circumstances ( ie DP )are helping, some Canvey people are still moaning I do not get it.[/p][/quote]I've just re-read the article and can't see it as moaning, just observations. Can't say I am glad to hear the Mainland will be taking the last part of the 15 year housing supply, if what you say is true, although some housing regeneration is needed looking at the Census figures for the Mainland. I don't think you will find any Canvey person against another option of access to the Island, good luck to Ray and Rebecca. But you can't ignore the quote lifted from a consultation document regarding the Canvey Thurrock link and the new Port being of little use, if that is correct. G Man

4:08pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Whatthe* says...

G-Man
was not your comments I was referering as moaning but others on this thread.
I get the impression most of the 15 year supply will be mainland but who knows for sure ?
Most of the housing targets Ihave heard are to high for a small Borough just because we have built few houses even in boom years shows there is not the demand we are know expected to support and now with back dated supply.
G-Man was not your comments I was referering as moaning but others on this thread. I get the impression most of the 15 year supply will be mainland but who knows for sure ? Most of the housing targets Ihave heard are to high for a small Borough just because we have built few houses even in boom years shows there is not the demand we are know expected to support and now with back dated supply. Whatthe*

4:18pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Whatthe* says...

G Man wrote:
Whatthe* wrote: G-Man I have read that report on the web site, some housing will occur on Canvey and 500 have already been lined up for the next 5 years with slightly more on the mainland, the traffic is equally bad on the mainland and the estimated homes target for the last part of the 15 housing target is likely to be on the mainland. I find it hard to believe that anyone would be against any extra method to enter or exit Canvey people have asked for it for decades and now the possibility has taken a small step forward and extra circumstances ( ie DP )are helping, some Canvey people are still moaning I do not get it.
I've just re-read the article and can't see it as moaning, just observations. Can't say I am glad to hear the Mainland will be taking the last part of the 15 year housing supply, if what you say is true, although some housing regeneration is needed looking at the Census figures for the Mainland. I don't think you will find any Canvey person against another option of access to the Island, good luck to Ray and Rebecca. But you can't ignore the quote lifted from a consultation document regarding the Canvey Thurrock link and the new Port being of little use, if that is correct.
The Dubai Port ( DP ) needs a fast and wide access route to all the major highway routes through out the UK , the M25 and A12 being the obvious ones affecting Castle Point the most.
It could be a new route from DP through Canvey to the A130 to A12 to Harwich could be a driving force behind it ? would this be bad news for Canvey ? possibly it is , maybe not as DP will not always work at rush hour times but surely its worth a look ?
[quote][p][bold]G Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: G-Man I have read that report on the web site, some housing will occur on Canvey and 500 have already been lined up for the next 5 years with slightly more on the mainland, the traffic is equally bad on the mainland and the estimated homes target for the last part of the 15 housing target is likely to be on the mainland. I find it hard to believe that anyone would be against any extra method to enter or exit Canvey people have asked for it for decades and now the possibility has taken a small step forward and extra circumstances ( ie DP )are helping, some Canvey people are still moaning I do not get it.[/p][/quote]I've just re-read the article and can't see it as moaning, just observations. Can't say I am glad to hear the Mainland will be taking the last part of the 15 year housing supply, if what you say is true, although some housing regeneration is needed looking at the Census figures for the Mainland. I don't think you will find any Canvey person against another option of access to the Island, good luck to Ray and Rebecca. But you can't ignore the quote lifted from a consultation document regarding the Canvey Thurrock link and the new Port being of little use, if that is correct.[/p][/quote]The Dubai Port ( DP ) needs a fast and wide access route to all the major highway routes through out the UK , the M25 and A12 being the obvious ones affecting Castle Point the most. It could be a new route from DP through Canvey to the A130 to A12 to Harwich could be a driving force behind it ? would this be bad news for Canvey ? possibly it is , maybe not as DP will not always work at rush hour times but surely its worth a look ? Whatthe*

4:19pm Fri 22 Mar 13

G Man says...

Whatthe*
Point taken. I think Mainlanders and Islanders have more incommon than is apparent. Shame Borough politics tends to polarise so many residents.
Whatthe* Point taken. I think Mainlanders and Islanders have more incommon than is apparent. Shame Borough politics tends to polarise so many residents. G Man

4:24pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Whatthe* says...

G Man wrote:
Whatthe* Point taken. I think Mainlanders and Islanders have more incommon than is apparent. Shame Borough politics tends to polarise so many residents.
how true
[quote][p][bold]G Man[/bold] wrote: Whatthe* Point taken. I think Mainlanders and Islanders have more incommon than is apparent. Shame Borough politics tends to polarise so many residents.[/p][/quote]how true Whatthe*

4:37pm Fri 22 Mar 13

G Man says...

RH says " I believe now, with the immanent opening of the DP world super port just next to Coryton, the proposed opening of a business park at the junction of Northwick Road and the new Roscommon Way, the economic case to present to the Government has never been so strong."
As with Veola contributing to the West Canvey Marsh RSPB site, perhaps the opportunity is there for DP World to contribute to opening up Canvey - Pitsea as a PR exercise. With the A13 - A130 underpass open at Sadlers Farm I can't see DP Port container vehicle entertaining sitting alongside us commuters sharing Canvey Way!
RH says " I believe now, with the immanent opening of the DP world super port just next to Coryton, the proposed opening of a business park at the junction of Northwick Road and the new Roscommon Way, the economic case to present to the Government has never been so strong." As with Veola contributing to the West Canvey Marsh RSPB site, perhaps the opportunity is there for DP World to contribute to opening up Canvey - Pitsea as a PR exercise. With the A13 - A130 underpass open at Sadlers Farm I can't see DP Port container vehicle entertaining sitting alongside us commuters sharing Canvey Way! G Man

7:08pm Fri 22 Mar 13

John T Pharro says...

G Man wrote:
RH says " I believe now, with the immanent opening of the DP world super port just next to Coryton, the proposed opening of a business park at the junction of Northwick Road and the new Roscommon Way, the economic case to present to the Government has never been so strong."
As with Veola contributing to the West Canvey Marsh RSPB site, perhaps the opportunity is there for DP World to contribute to opening up Canvey - Pitsea as a PR exercise. With the A13 - A130 underpass open at Sadlers Farm I can't see DP Port container vehicle entertaining sitting alongside us commuters sharing Canvey Way!
They would have to and the port will be operating 24 hours a day.Be careful what you wish for. If this was a viable cost effective proposition Dubai Ports would have already asked for it.
Would not all the great powers that be have already looked at this. There are more kites flying now than in Mary Poppins.
[quote][p][bold]G Man[/bold] wrote: RH says " I believe now, with the immanent opening of the DP world super port just next to Coryton, the proposed opening of a business park at the junction of Northwick Road and the new Roscommon Way, the economic case to present to the Government has never been so strong." As with Veola contributing to the West Canvey Marsh RSPB site, perhaps the opportunity is there for DP World to contribute to opening up Canvey - Pitsea as a PR exercise. With the A13 - A130 underpass open at Sadlers Farm I can't see DP Port container vehicle entertaining sitting alongside us commuters sharing Canvey Way![/p][/quote]They would have to and the port will be operating 24 hours a day.Be careful what you wish for. If this was a viable cost effective proposition Dubai Ports would have already asked for it. Would not all the great powers that be have already looked at this. There are more kites flying now than in Mary Poppins. John T Pharro

9:39pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Carnabackable says...

John T Pharro wrote:
G Man wrote:
RH says " I believe now, with the immanent opening of the DP world super port just next to Coryton, the proposed opening of a business park at the junction of Northwick Road and the new Roscommon Way, the economic case to present to the Government has never been so strong."
As with Veola contributing to the West Canvey Marsh RSPB site, perhaps the opportunity is there for DP World to contribute to opening up Canvey - Pitsea as a PR exercise. With the A13 - A130 underpass open at Sadlers Farm I can't see DP Port container vehicle entertaining sitting alongside us commuters sharing Canvey Way!
They would have to and the port will be operating 24 hours a day.Be careful what you wish for. If this was a viable cost effective proposition Dubai Ports would have already asked for it.
Would not all the great powers that be have already looked at this. There are more kites flying now than in Mary Poppins.
So you've heard the rumours as well............
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Man[/bold] wrote: RH says " I believe now, with the immanent opening of the DP world super port just next to Coryton, the proposed opening of a business park at the junction of Northwick Road and the new Roscommon Way, the economic case to present to the Government has never been so strong." As with Veola contributing to the West Canvey Marsh RSPB site, perhaps the opportunity is there for DP World to contribute to opening up Canvey - Pitsea as a PR exercise. With the A13 - A130 underpass open at Sadlers Farm I can't see DP Port container vehicle entertaining sitting alongside us commuters sharing Canvey Way![/p][/quote]They would have to and the port will be operating 24 hours a day.Be careful what you wish for. If this was a viable cost effective proposition Dubai Ports would have already asked for it. Would not all the great powers that be have already looked at this. There are more kites flying now than in Mary Poppins.[/p][/quote]So you've heard the rumours as well............ Carnabackable

7:44am Sun 24 Mar 13

marybelle says...

Before they build anymore roads they should repair all the roads they have.
The potholes are getting worse daily, and the terrible repairs they did last year that money should be reclaimed.
Before they build anymore roads they should repair all the roads they have. The potholes are getting worse daily, and the terrible repairs they did last year that money should be reclaimed. marybelle

7:47am Sun 24 Mar 13

marybelle says...

I do not think Rebecca will be an MP for much longer who will vote for any Government that keeps delivering bad news?
I do not think Rebecca will be an MP for much longer who will vote for any Government that keeps delivering bad news? marybelle

8:12am Mon 25 Mar 13

Sim0n says...

marybelle wrote:
I do not think Rebecca will be an MP for much longer who will vote for any Government that keeps delivering bad news?
What bad news Marybelle ?

Have you reported the pot holes ?
here is the link to report all highways defects not just pot holes please use it and get others to do the same please.

https://secureweb1.e
ssexcc.gov.uk/Highwa
ys/Report-a-highway-
problem.aspx
[quote][p][bold]marybelle[/bold] wrote: I do not think Rebecca will be an MP for much longer who will vote for any Government that keeps delivering bad news?[/p][/quote]What bad news Marybelle ? Have you reported the pot holes ? here is the link to report all highways defects not just pot holes please use it and get others to do the same please. https://secureweb1.e ssexcc.gov.uk/Highwa ys/Report-a-highway- problem.aspx Sim0n

9:46am Mon 25 Mar 13

Whatthe* says...

marybelle wrote:
I do not think Rebecca will be an MP for much longer who will vote for any Government that keeps delivering bad news?
I agree that the recent hole filling has not worked and needs to be changed.
[quote][p][bold]marybelle[/bold] wrote: I do not think Rebecca will be an MP for much longer who will vote for any Government that keeps delivering bad news?[/p][/quote]I agree that the recent hole filling has not worked and needs to be changed. Whatthe*

1:57pm Tue 26 Mar 13

John T Pharro says...

Relevant to the route today's "Echo" clearly shows the route through to Pitsea on the emergency road leading to the Tesco roundabout. Now what route is our MP proposing?
Relevant to the route today's "Echo" clearly shows the route through to Pitsea on the emergency road leading to the Tesco roundabout. Now what route is our MP proposing? John T Pharro

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