Plumbers caught up in Billericay cannabis raid

Echo: Pc Chris Hoy and Pc Clara Hurrell-Smith with the haul of cannabis found at a Billericay home Pc Chris Hoy and Pc Clara Hurrell-Smith with the haul of cannabis found at a Billericay home

TWO plumbers were given a shock when police stormed a family home to uncover more than 20 cannabis plants.

The unsuspecting men were fitting a new bathroom when officers moved in on the house in The Rising, Billericay.

Once inside officers found more than 20 plants in a garage at the back of the property, which could reach a street value of up to £6,000.

Police also found a further 20 smaller plants in a locked upstairs bedroom which they had to force their way into.

Growing equipment, including specialist lighting, was also found, but the homes occupants and a 26-year-old man and a woman, believed to be his mum, were not at home leaving the plumbers to be quizzed by cops.
 

Pc Clara Hurrell-Smith, of Basildon Police Station, said: “This is a large haul worth thousands of pounds. The plants in the garage look like they are probably ready for harvest within the next few weeks, so we have seized them at the right time. We have taken a large quantity of cannabis off the streets.

“People think they can get away with growing cannabis, but this should send a clear message to people that they won’t. We know this goes on elsewhere in Billericay and we are determined to crack down on it.”

Police carried out the warrant after neighbours contacted Crimestoppers anonymously to report a suspicious smell coming from the back of the house.

Sgt Paul Costin added: “I am absolutely delighted with the outcome of another successful warrant.

“We will continue to act on intelligence given to us by members of the public in our war to stamp out the few who blight our neighbourhoods. I want people to know Essex Police delivers exactly what it says on the tin.”

The raid took place shortly after 9am on Friday.

The 26-year-old man returned while police were still searching the house and was arrested on suspicion of cultivating cannabis.

His mum is expected to be arrested for allowing her premises to be used for the production of the class B drug.

The male plumbers were detained under the warrant, but had nothing to do with the cannabis find.
 

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10:19am Tue 23 Apr 13

supermadmax says...

Sgt Paul Costin added: “I am absolutely delighted with the outcome of another successful warrant."

Well it was better than the shambles in basildon last week.

I believe that the police should be concentrating on attacking producers & suppliers of harder drugs, although fair play to all involved they got the result, can't knock em for that.
Sgt Paul Costin added: “I am absolutely delighted with the outcome of another successful warrant." Well it was better than the shambles in basildon last week. I believe that the police should be concentrating on attacking producers & suppliers of harder drugs, although fair play to all involved they got the result, can't knock em for that. supermadmax

10:42am Tue 23 Apr 13

TechnoDon says...

We don't want cannabis off the streets. We want the police to stop raiding people's homes on a daily basis. decriminalise, tax and sell ganja in specially licensed coffee shops.
We don't want cannabis off the streets. We want the police to stop raiding people's homes on a daily basis. decriminalise, tax and sell ganja in specially licensed coffee shops. TechnoDon

10:45am Tue 23 Apr 13

apapa palm says...

Them there plod look happy ! ... should they be wearing a mask ?
Them there plod look happy ! ... should they be wearing a mask ? apapa palm

10:49am Tue 23 Apr 13

pendulum says...

Soft drug, less harmful than alcohol. Concentrate on heroin dealers please.
Soft drug, less harmful than alcohol. Concentrate on heroin dealers please. pendulum

10:51am Tue 23 Apr 13

Edward Landseer says...

It sounds like the only real problem here is the illegality of growing or possessing cannabis.
I am sure that if these actions were legal there would be no problem at all. I expect most of the cannabis was earmarked for the man's own consumption with a little left over to sell to friends and cover the electricity bill for the lights, that's how most 'hobby growers' like this operate.

So... far from "stopping "£6000 worth of cannabis reaching the street" this operation has stopped the man and his friends being able to obtain their cannabis without going to the large gangland suppliers who are the real problem.
Instead they will now be forced to purchase their cannabis from those gangsters and put an extra £6000 into the crime networks.

More than likely that figure is hugely overestimated anyway, because the Police are hoping to make themselves look very effective with a huge haul.

A bad result all round.
It sounds like the only real problem here is the illegality of growing or possessing cannabis. I am sure that if these actions were legal there would be no problem at all. I expect most of the cannabis was earmarked for the man's own consumption with a little left over to sell to friends and cover the electricity bill for the lights, that's how most 'hobby growers' like this operate. So... far from "stopping "£6000 worth of cannabis reaching the street" this operation has stopped the man and his friends being able to obtain their cannabis without going to the large gangland suppliers who are the real problem. Instead they will now be forced to purchase their cannabis from those gangsters and put an extra £6000 into the crime networks. More than likely that figure is hugely overestimated anyway, because the Police are hoping to make themselves look very effective with a huge haul. A bad result all round. Edward Landseer

11:00am Tue 23 Apr 13

Canvey van says...

pendulum wrote:
Soft drug, less harmful than alcohol. Concentrate on heroin dealers please.
I very much doubt the % of people who take heroin started by taking heroin. The vast majority would have started there involvement with drugs through smoke a bit of pot.
[quote][p][bold]pendulum[/bold] wrote: Soft drug, less harmful than alcohol. Concentrate on heroin dealers please.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt the % of people who take heroin started by taking heroin. The vast majority would have started there involvement with drugs through smoke a bit of pot. Canvey van

11:04am Tue 23 Apr 13

Howard Chase says...

Canvey van wrote:
pendulum wrote:
Soft drug, less harmful than alcohol. Concentrate on heroin dealers please.
I very much doubt the % of people who take heroin started by taking heroin. The vast majority would have started there involvement with drugs through smoke a bit of pot.
pot is a gateway drug, I would never have smoked tobacco if it wasn't for toking a doobie or several.


Took years to get off the baccy habit....
[quote][p][bold]Canvey van[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pendulum[/bold] wrote: Soft drug, less harmful than alcohol. Concentrate on heroin dealers please.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt the % of people who take heroin started by taking heroin. The vast majority would have started there involvement with drugs through smoke a bit of pot.[/p][/quote]pot is a gateway drug, I would never have smoked tobacco if it wasn't for toking a doobie or several. Took years to get off the baccy habit.... Howard Chase

11:51am Tue 23 Apr 13

ORACUS says...

Canvey van wrote:
pendulum wrote:
Soft drug, less harmful than alcohol. Concentrate on heroin dealers please.
I very much doubt the % of people who take heroin started by taking heroin. The vast majority would have started there involvement with drugs through smoke a bit of pot.
100% of people taking heroin started on tea or coffee then moved on to alcohol.
When you go to the newsagents to buy a paper there’s a chance you might buy a chocolate bar.
Weed is not a stepping stone drug the only connection is the point of sale.
This raid has cost the tax payer tens of thousands of pounds and has no effect on supply.
Legalise it and tax it what is better waste £20,000 or gain £2,000?
[quote][p][bold]Canvey van[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pendulum[/bold] wrote: Soft drug, less harmful than alcohol. Concentrate on heroin dealers please.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt the % of people who take heroin started by taking heroin. The vast majority would have started there involvement with drugs through smoke a bit of pot.[/p][/quote]100% of people taking heroin started on tea or coffee then moved on to alcohol. When you go to the newsagents to buy a paper there’s a chance you might buy a chocolate bar. Weed is not a stepping stone drug the only connection is the point of sale. This raid has cost the tax payer tens of thousands of pounds and has no effect on supply. Legalise it and tax it what is better waste £20,000 or gain £2,000? ORACUS

12:14pm Tue 23 Apr 13

ORACUS says...

Are the two coppers in the picture smiling for the camera or are they getting high off the smell?
Are the two coppers in the picture smiling for the camera or are they getting high off the smell? ORACUS

12:32pm Tue 23 Apr 13

jack0305 says...

Well I predict a 27% drop in local takeaway revenue.
Well I predict a 27% drop in local takeaway revenue. jack0305

1:07pm Tue 23 Apr 13

marybelle says...

ORACUS wrote:
Are the two coppers in the picture smiling for the camera or are they getting high off the smell?
How much higher can Chris Hoy go?
[quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: Are the two coppers in the picture smiling for the camera or are they getting high off the smell?[/p][/quote]How much higher can Chris Hoy go? marybelle

1:47pm Tue 23 Apr 13

Bigen says...

20 plants £6000, I think you'll find if done properly they would fetch closer the £12,000 mark, another example of Essex police knowing jack shizzle! ( and before anyone starts , this information is readily available on the net) unfortunately the old bill are fighting a losing battle, 20 plants is a pee in the ocean
20 plants £6000, I think you'll find if done properly they would fetch closer the £12,000 mark, another example of Essex police knowing jack shizzle! ( and before anyone starts , this information is readily available on the net) unfortunately the old bill are fighting a losing battle, 20 plants is a pee in the ocean Bigen

2:20pm Tue 23 Apr 13

Tone-Fu says...

The same old tired nonsense about marijuana being a 'gateway drug' - honestly, it's 2013, haven't we digested the research which points to the contrary and moved on from this narrow minded nonsense yet?
The same old tired nonsense about marijuana being a 'gateway drug' - honestly, it's 2013, haven't we digested the research which points to the contrary and moved on from this narrow minded nonsense yet? Tone-Fu

2:23pm Tue 23 Apr 13

ORACUS says...

Bigen wrote:
20 plants £6000, I think you'll find if done properly they would fetch closer the £12,000 mark, another example of Essex police knowing jack shizzle! ( and before anyone starts , this information is readily available on the net) unfortunately the old bill are fighting a losing battle, 20 plants is a pee in the ocean
The war on drugs is like trying to stop a freight train by throwing a grain of dust at it.
[quote][p][bold]Bigen[/bold] wrote: 20 plants £6000, I think you'll find if done properly they would fetch closer the £12,000 mark, another example of Essex police knowing jack shizzle! ( and before anyone starts , this information is readily available on the net) unfortunately the old bill are fighting a losing battle, 20 plants is a pee in the ocean[/p][/quote]The war on drugs is like trying to stop a freight train by throwing a grain of dust at it. ORACUS

2:38pm Tue 23 Apr 13

ORACUS says...

Tone-Fu wrote:
The same old tired nonsense about marijuana being a 'gateway drug' - honestly, it's 2013, haven't we digested the research which points to the contrary and moved on from this narrow minded nonsense yet?
I love the proper-gander that says marijuana causes psychological problems a study in the USA thirty years ago came to the conclusion that people with problems are more likely to self medicate.
[quote][p][bold]Tone-Fu[/bold] wrote: The same old tired nonsense about marijuana being a 'gateway drug' - honestly, it's 2013, haven't we digested the research which points to the contrary and moved on from this narrow minded nonsense yet?[/p][/quote]I love the proper-gander that says marijuana causes psychological problems a study in the USA thirty years ago came to the conclusion that people with problems are more likely to self medicate. ORACUS

2:59pm Tue 23 Apr 13

Nebs says...

Well done the police. Lets have more of the same.
Well done the police. Lets have more of the same. Nebs

3:54pm Tue 23 Apr 13

Howard Chase says...

nice to see Chris Hoy got himself a new job so quickly after announcing his retirement from competitive cycling.....
nice to see Chris Hoy got himself a new job so quickly after announcing his retirement from competitive cycling..... Howard Chase

4:14pm Tue 23 Apr 13

The original stropmag says...

“People think they can get away with growing cannabis, but this should send a clear message to people that they won’t..."

Er, yeah, right.
“People think they can get away with growing cannabis, but this should send a clear message to people that they won’t..." Er, yeah, right. The original stropmag

6:04pm Tue 23 Apr 13

TechnoDon says...

Clara Hurrell-Smith can have a photo with my plants when it's no longer a crime to sow a seed and water it
Clara Hurrell-Smith can have a photo with my plants when it's no longer a crime to sow a seed and water it TechnoDon

8:34pm Tue 23 Apr 13

hoppie says...

Legalise cannibis then the Government can Tax it. That would get rid of the national dept. Anything the public likes or needs is Taxed if it's not it's not legal. So smokers what do you want legal and taxed or illegal and face the police. One way or the other you LOSE unless you don't smoke.
Legalise cannibis then the Government can Tax it. That would get rid of the national dept. Anything the public likes or needs is Taxed if it's not it's not legal. So smokers what do you want legal and taxed or illegal and face the police. One way or the other you LOSE unless you don't smoke. hoppie

9:19pm Tue 23 Apr 13

asbo in a coma says...

our lives are so hollow and empty we need to escape the mundanity of our own existence....yeah. high five me popeye the sailor
our lives are so hollow and empty we need to escape the mundanity of our own existence....yeah. high five me popeye the sailor asbo in a coma

9:24pm Tue 23 Apr 13

asbo in a coma says...

can we just euthanase cannabis users already.
can we just euthanase cannabis users already. asbo in a coma

11:46am Wed 24 Apr 13

Owen Richards says...

Why don't we try taking a completely new approach to cannabis? In Britain, 30% of us use cannabis in our lifetime, three million people use it at least once per month and we consume more than three tonnes every day. The idea that we can prevent people using it is nonsense.

We waste £500 million every year on police, court and prison resources when a large proportion of society uses cannabis without any problem at all. In fact, the only real problem with cannabis is that it's illegal.

The risks to health are very small - much, much less than alcohol or tobacco. Professor Terrie Moffitt of the Institute of Psychiatry said recently that cannabis is "safe for over 18s". If we took responsibility and introduced a tax and regulate system we could protect children far more effectively than we do at present.

We could have a properly regulated supply chain with no criminals involved, no theft of electricity, no human trafficking, no destruction of property and disruption of neighbourhoods. Then there would be some control over this huge market. There would be thousands of new jobs, sales would be from licensed outlets to adults only with guaranteed quality and safety. Then our police could start going after some real wrongdoing instead of trying to fight a crime that exists only because of a misguided government policy.

Also, very importantly, science now proves that cannabis is one of the safest and most effective medicines for a wide range of conditions. While the government promotes the lie that "there is no medicinal value in cannabis", it has granted an unlawful monopoly to GW Pharmaceuticals to grow 20 tonnes a year for, you guessed it, medicine!
Cannabis Law Reform (CLEAR) published independent research last year that shows a cannabis tax and regulate policy would provide a boost to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa as well as reducing all health and social harms.

The only thing that keeps the present absurd status quo in place is weak politicians corrupted by Big Booze and the GW Pharma monopoly.
Why don't we try taking a completely new approach to cannabis? In Britain, 30% of us use cannabis in our lifetime, three million people use it at least once per month and we consume more than three tonnes every day. The idea that we can prevent people using it is nonsense. We waste £500 million every year on police, court and prison resources when a large proportion of society uses cannabis without any problem at all. In fact, the only real problem with cannabis is that it's illegal. The risks to health are very small - much, much less than alcohol or tobacco. Professor Terrie Moffitt of the Institute of Psychiatry said recently that cannabis is "safe for over 18s". If we took responsibility and introduced a tax and regulate system we could protect children far more effectively than we do at present. We could have a properly regulated supply chain with no criminals involved, no theft of electricity, no human trafficking, no destruction of property and disruption of neighbourhoods. Then there would be some control over this huge market. There would be thousands of new jobs, sales would be from licensed outlets to adults only with guaranteed quality and safety. Then our police could start going after some real wrongdoing instead of trying to fight a crime that exists only because of a misguided government policy. Also, very importantly, science now proves that cannabis is one of the safest and most effective medicines for a wide range of conditions. While the government promotes the lie that "there is no medicinal value in cannabis", it has granted an unlawful monopoly to GW Pharmaceuticals to grow 20 tonnes a year for, you guessed it, medicine! Cannabis Law Reform (CLEAR) published independent research last year that shows a cannabis tax and regulate policy would provide a boost to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa as well as reducing all health and social harms. The only thing that keeps the present absurd status quo in place is weak politicians corrupted by Big Booze and the GW Pharma monopoly. Owen Richards

12:01pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Brian K says...

For goodness sake. Just legalise the plant. Alcohol and tobacco are way more damaging to human health and mental stability yet anyone can purchase and overindulge in these legal substances. Cannabis has been proven to have huge medicinal potential and yet the government makes it impossible for these potentially ground breaking discoveries to be made. Let someone grow a reasonable amount for personal consumption and allow the government to control the flow of commercial cannabis, imagine the cash flow the U.K. could benefit from if the government taxes cannabis. Money to reduce the deficit and ultimately money that wont end up in the pocket of drug dealers helping to fund organised crime. Silly outdated , unreasonable laws!
For goodness sake. Just legalise the plant. Alcohol and tobacco are way more damaging to human health and mental stability yet anyone can purchase and overindulge in these legal substances. Cannabis has been proven to have huge medicinal potential and yet the government makes it impossible for these potentially ground breaking discoveries to be made. Let someone grow a reasonable amount for personal consumption and allow the government to control the flow of commercial cannabis, imagine the cash flow the U.K. could benefit from if the government taxes cannabis. Money to reduce the deficit and ultimately money that wont end up in the pocket of drug dealers helping to fund organised crime. Silly outdated , unreasonable laws! Brian K

12:21pm Wed 24 Apr 13

grasmith says...

The police cannot prevent drug use.People use cannabis for the pleasure it brings and they have done through the millenia and will no doubt continue to do so.Ken Clarke recently told the Select Committee in the commons that "the war on drugs is lost" and "drug use in prisons was out of control"
This raid and the subsequent court case costs the taxpayer how much ??.If they cannot control drugs in prisons what hope do they have in the wider international society.
If I was on £53 pounds per week and I read this article I would think 20 seeds (@about a fiver each = £6000 every twelve weeks. May as well get a couple.
The police cannot prevent drug use.People use cannabis for the pleasure it brings and they have done through the millenia and will no doubt continue to do so.Ken Clarke recently told the Select Committee in the commons that "the war on drugs is lost" and "drug use in prisons was out of control" This raid and the subsequent court case costs the taxpayer how much ??.If they cannot control drugs in prisons what hope do they have in the wider international society. If I was on £53 pounds per week and I read this article I would think 20 seeds (@about a fiver each = £6000 every twelve weeks. May as well get a couple. grasmith

12:53pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Bigen says...

grasmith wrote:
The police cannot prevent drug use.People use cannabis for the pleasure it brings and they have done through the millenia and will no doubt continue to do so.Ken Clarke recently told the Select Committee in the commons that "the war on drugs is lost" and "drug use in prisons was out of control"
This raid and the subsequent court case costs the taxpayer how much ??.If they cannot control drugs in prisons what hope do they have in the wider international society.
If I was on £53 pounds per week and I read this article I would think 20 seeds (@about a fiver each = £6000 every twelve weeks. May as well get a couple.
As I said above , 20 plants would yeild cannabis to the value of between 10-12k 4x a year , in this particular instance smaller plants were found in another room besides the 20 foundin the garage, that means they could turn a cycle round every 8 weeks which would earn them a min of 60k a year , with very minimal out goings, legalising cannabis will dig the uk of the hole were in !
[quote][p][bold]grasmith[/bold] wrote: The police cannot prevent drug use.People use cannabis for the pleasure it brings and they have done through the millenia and will no doubt continue to do so.Ken Clarke recently told the Select Committee in the commons that "the war on drugs is lost" and "drug use in prisons was out of control" This raid and the subsequent court case costs the taxpayer how much ??.If they cannot control drugs in prisons what hope do they have in the wider international society. If I was on £53 pounds per week and I read this article I would think 20 seeds (@about a fiver each = £6000 every twelve weeks. May as well get a couple.[/p][/quote]As I said above , 20 plants would yeild cannabis to the value of between 10-12k 4x a year , in this particular instance smaller plants were found in another room besides the 20 foundin the garage, that means they could turn a cycle round every 8 weeks which would earn them a min of 60k a year , with very minimal out goings, legalising cannabis will dig the uk of the hole were in ! Bigen

2:53pm Wed 24 Apr 13

ORACUS says...

Politician that pass laws but don’t provide the resources to enforce those laws are simply buying votes.
Politician that pass laws but don’t provide the resources to enforce those laws are simply buying votes. ORACUS

2:53pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Edward Landseer says...

Bigen wrote:
grasmith wrote:
The police cannot prevent drug use.People use cannabis for the pleasure it brings and they have done through the millenia and will no doubt continue to do so.Ken Clarke recently told the Select Committee in the commons that "the war on drugs is lost" and "drug use in prisons was out of control"
This raid and the subsequent court case costs the taxpayer how much ??.If they cannot control drugs in prisons what hope do they have in the wider international society.
If I was on £53 pounds per week and I read this article I would think 20 seeds (@about a fiver each = £6000 every twelve weeks. May as well get a couple.
As I said above , 20 plants would yeild cannabis to the value of between 10-12k 4x a year , in this particular instance smaller plants were found in another room besides the 20 foundin the garage, that means they could turn a cycle round every 8 weeks which would earn them a min of 60k a year , with very minimal out goings, legalising cannabis will dig the uk of the hole were in !
So the profitable cannabis industry is really being wasted at the moment as a large number of people could be employed there earning a good living and contributing to the economy. In addition it could be providing a really useful medical and social product.

At the moment a lot of the work in the industry is done by slaves trafficked in by some very unscrupulous people.
[quote][p][bold]Bigen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grasmith[/bold] wrote: The police cannot prevent drug use.People use cannabis for the pleasure it brings and they have done through the millenia and will no doubt continue to do so.Ken Clarke recently told the Select Committee in the commons that "the war on drugs is lost" and "drug use in prisons was out of control" This raid and the subsequent court case costs the taxpayer how much ??.If they cannot control drugs in prisons what hope do they have in the wider international society. If I was on £53 pounds per week and I read this article I would think 20 seeds (@about a fiver each = £6000 every twelve weeks. May as well get a couple.[/p][/quote]As I said above , 20 plants would yeild cannabis to the value of between 10-12k 4x a year , in this particular instance smaller plants were found in another room besides the 20 foundin the garage, that means they could turn a cycle round every 8 weeks which would earn them a min of 60k a year , with very minimal out goings, legalising cannabis will dig the uk of the hole were in ![/p][/quote]So the profitable cannabis industry is really being wasted at the moment as a large number of people could be employed there earning a good living and contributing to the economy. In addition it could be providing a really useful medical and social product. At the moment a lot of the work in the industry is done by slaves trafficked in by some very unscrupulous people. Edward Landseer

4:13pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Bigen says...

Edward Landseer wrote:
Bigen wrote:
grasmith wrote:
The police cannot prevent drug use.People use cannabis for the pleasure it brings and they have done through the millenia and will no doubt continue to do so.Ken Clarke recently told the Select Committee in the commons that "the war on drugs is lost" and "drug use in prisons was out of control"
This raid and the subsequent court case costs the taxpayer how much ??.If they cannot control drugs in prisons what hope do they have in the wider international society.
If I was on £53 pounds per week and I read this article I would think 20 seeds (@about a fiver each = £6000 every twelve weeks. May as well get a couple.
As I said above , 20 plants would yeild cannabis to the value of between 10-12k 4x a year , in this particular instance smaller plants were found in another room besides the 20 foundin the garage, that means they could turn a cycle round every 8 weeks which would earn them a min of 60k a year , with very minimal out goings, legalising cannabis will dig the uk of the hole were in !
So the profitable cannabis industry is really being wasted at the moment as a large number of people could be employed there earning a good living and contributing to the economy. In addition it could be providing a really useful medical and social product.

At the moment a lot of the work in the industry is done by slaves trafficked in by some very unscrupulous people.
You hit the nail on the head my friend
[quote][p][bold]Edward Landseer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bigen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grasmith[/bold] wrote: The police cannot prevent drug use.People use cannabis for the pleasure it brings and they have done through the millenia and will no doubt continue to do so.Ken Clarke recently told the Select Committee in the commons that "the war on drugs is lost" and "drug use in prisons was out of control" This raid and the subsequent court case costs the taxpayer how much ??.If they cannot control drugs in prisons what hope do they have in the wider international society. If I was on £53 pounds per week and I read this article I would think 20 seeds (@about a fiver each = £6000 every twelve weeks. May as well get a couple.[/p][/quote]As I said above , 20 plants would yeild cannabis to the value of between 10-12k 4x a year , in this particular instance smaller plants were found in another room besides the 20 foundin the garage, that means they could turn a cycle round every 8 weeks which would earn them a min of 60k a year , with very minimal out goings, legalising cannabis will dig the uk of the hole were in ![/p][/quote]So the profitable cannabis industry is really being wasted at the moment as a large number of people could be employed there earning a good living and contributing to the economy. In addition it could be providing a really useful medical and social product. At the moment a lot of the work in the industry is done by slaves trafficked in by some very unscrupulous people.[/p][/quote]You hit the nail on the head my friend Bigen

4:58pm Wed 24 Apr 13

ORACUS says...

A new review suggests that drugs similar to marijuana’s active ingredients may hold promise for preventing— or even reversing— brain ageing and possibly Alzheimer‘s and other degenerative brain diseases.

http://healthland.ti
me.com/2012/10/29/ho
w-cannabinoids-may-s
low-brain-aging/

The very people who's votes are being bought the old are the very people who would benefit.
Oh the irony.
A new review suggests that drugs similar to marijuana’s active ingredients may hold promise for preventing— or even reversing— brain ageing and possibly Alzheimer‘s and other degenerative brain diseases. http://healthland.ti me.com/2012/10/29/ho w-cannabinoids-may-s low-brain-aging/ The very people who's votes are being bought the old are the very people who would benefit. Oh the irony. ORACUS

5:55pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Howard Chase says...

Edward Landseer wrote:
Bigen wrote:
grasmith wrote:
The police cannot prevent drug use.People use cannabis for the pleasure it brings and they have done through the millenia and will no doubt continue to do so.Ken Clarke recently told the Select Committee in the commons that "the war on drugs is lost" and "drug use in prisons was out of control"
This raid and the subsequent court case costs the taxpayer how much ??.If they cannot control drugs in prisons what hope do they have in the wider international society.
If I was on £53 pounds per week and I read this article I would think 20 seeds (@about a fiver each = £6000 every twelve weeks. May as well get a couple.
As I said above , 20 plants would yeild cannabis to the value of between 10-12k 4x a year , in this particular instance smaller plants were found in another room besides the 20 foundin the garage, that means they could turn a cycle round every 8 weeks which would earn them a min of 60k a year , with very minimal out goings, legalising cannabis will dig the uk of the hole were in !
So the profitable cannabis industry is really being wasted at the moment as a large number of people could be employed there earning a good living and contributing to the economy. In addition it could be providing a really useful medical and social product.

At the moment a lot of the work in the industry is done by slaves trafficked in by some very unscrupulous people.
can I get a job in quality control
[quote][p][bold]Edward Landseer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bigen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grasmith[/bold] wrote: The police cannot prevent drug use.People use cannabis for the pleasure it brings and they have done through the millenia and will no doubt continue to do so.Ken Clarke recently told the Select Committee in the commons that "the war on drugs is lost" and "drug use in prisons was out of control" This raid and the subsequent court case costs the taxpayer how much ??.If they cannot control drugs in prisons what hope do they have in the wider international society. If I was on £53 pounds per week and I read this article I would think 20 seeds (@about a fiver each = £6000 every twelve weeks. May as well get a couple.[/p][/quote]As I said above , 20 plants would yeild cannabis to the value of between 10-12k 4x a year , in this particular instance smaller plants were found in another room besides the 20 foundin the garage, that means they could turn a cycle round every 8 weeks which would earn them a min of 60k a year , with very minimal out goings, legalising cannabis will dig the uk of the hole were in ![/p][/quote]So the profitable cannabis industry is really being wasted at the moment as a large number of people could be employed there earning a good living and contributing to the economy. In addition it could be providing a really useful medical and social product. At the moment a lot of the work in the industry is done by slaves trafficked in by some very unscrupulous people.[/p][/quote]can I get a job in quality control Howard Chase

6:48pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Edward Landseer says...

Howard Chase wrote:
Edward Landseer wrote:
Bigen wrote:
grasmith wrote:
The police cannot prevent drug use.People use cannabis for the pleasure it brings and they have done through the millenia and will no doubt continue to do so.Ken Clarke recently told the Select Committee in the commons that "the war on drugs is lost" and "drug use in prisons was out of control"
This raid and the subsequent court case costs the taxpayer how much ??.If they cannot control drugs in prisons what hope do they have in the wider international society.
If I was on £53 pounds per week and I read this article I would think 20 seeds (@about a fiver each = £6000 every twelve weeks. May as well get a couple.
As I said above , 20 plants would yeild cannabis to the value of between 10-12k 4x a year , in this particular instance smaller plants were found in another room besides the 20 foundin the garage, that means they could turn a cycle round every 8 weeks which would earn them a min of 60k a year , with very minimal out goings, legalising cannabis will dig the uk of the hole were in !
So the profitable cannabis industry is really being wasted at the moment as a large number of people could be employed there earning a good living and contributing to the economy. In addition it could be providing a really useful medical and social product.

At the moment a lot of the work in the industry is done by slaves trafficked in by some very unscrupulous people.
can I get a job in quality control
product development :-)
[quote][p][bold]Howard Chase[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Edward Landseer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bigen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grasmith[/bold] wrote: The police cannot prevent drug use.People use cannabis for the pleasure it brings and they have done through the millenia and will no doubt continue to do so.Ken Clarke recently told the Select Committee in the commons that "the war on drugs is lost" and "drug use in prisons was out of control" This raid and the subsequent court case costs the taxpayer how much ??.If they cannot control drugs in prisons what hope do they have in the wider international society. If I was on £53 pounds per week and I read this article I would think 20 seeds (@about a fiver each = £6000 every twelve weeks. May as well get a couple.[/p][/quote]As I said above , 20 plants would yeild cannabis to the value of between 10-12k 4x a year , in this particular instance smaller plants were found in another room besides the 20 foundin the garage, that means they could turn a cycle round every 8 weeks which would earn them a min of 60k a year , with very minimal out goings, legalising cannabis will dig the uk of the hole were in ![/p][/quote]So the profitable cannabis industry is really being wasted at the moment as a large number of people could be employed there earning a good living and contributing to the economy. In addition it could be providing a really useful medical and social product. At the moment a lot of the work in the industry is done by slaves trafficked in by some very unscrupulous people.[/p][/quote]can I get a job in quality control[/p][/quote]product development :-) Edward Landseer

3:21pm Thu 25 Apr 13

Convicted_Criminal says...

Owen Richards wrote:
Why don't we try taking a completely new approach to cannabis? In Britain, 30% of us use cannabis in our lifetime, three million people use it at least once per month and we consume more than three tonnes every day. The idea that we can prevent people using it is nonsense.

We waste £500 million every year on police, court and prison resources when a large proportion of society uses cannabis without any problem at all. In fact, the only real problem with cannabis is that it's illegal.

The risks to health are very small - much, much less than alcohol or tobacco. Professor Terrie Moffitt of the Institute of Psychiatry said recently that cannabis is "safe for over 18s". If we took responsibility and introduced a tax and regulate system we could protect children far more effectively than we do at present.

We could have a properly regulated supply chain with no criminals involved, no theft of electricity, no human trafficking, no destruction of property and disruption of neighbourhoods. Then there would be some control over this huge market. There would be thousands of new jobs, sales would be from licensed outlets to adults only with guaranteed quality and safety. Then our police could start going after some real wrongdoing instead of trying to fight a crime that exists only because of a misguided government policy.

Also, very importantly, science now proves that cannabis is one of the safest and most effective medicines for a wide range of conditions. While the government promotes the lie that "there is no medicinal value in cannabis", it has granted an unlawful monopoly to GW Pharmaceuticals to grow 20 tonnes a year for, you guessed it, medicine!
Cannabis Law Reform (CLEAR) published independent research last year that shows a cannabis tax and regulate policy would provide a boost to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa as well as reducing all health and social harms.

The only thing that keeps the present absurd status quo in place is weak politicians corrupted by Big Booze and the GW Pharma monopoly.
Here here! Cannabis should be legalised in UK. No one has ever died directly from cannabis. I drive stoned most off the time. It's the only way it gets me to slow down!!
[quote][p][bold]Owen Richards[/bold] wrote: Why don't we try taking a completely new approach to cannabis? In Britain, 30% of us use cannabis in our lifetime, three million people use it at least once per month and we consume more than three tonnes every day. The idea that we can prevent people using it is nonsense. We waste £500 million every year on police, court and prison resources when a large proportion of society uses cannabis without any problem at all. In fact, the only real problem with cannabis is that it's illegal. The risks to health are very small - much, much less than alcohol or tobacco. Professor Terrie Moffitt of the Institute of Psychiatry said recently that cannabis is "safe for over 18s". If we took responsibility and introduced a tax and regulate system we could protect children far more effectively than we do at present. We could have a properly regulated supply chain with no criminals involved, no theft of electricity, no human trafficking, no destruction of property and disruption of neighbourhoods. Then there would be some control over this huge market. There would be thousands of new jobs, sales would be from licensed outlets to adults only with guaranteed quality and safety. Then our police could start going after some real wrongdoing instead of trying to fight a crime that exists only because of a misguided government policy. Also, very importantly, science now proves that cannabis is one of the safest and most effective medicines for a wide range of conditions. While the government promotes the lie that "there is no medicinal value in cannabis", it has granted an unlawful monopoly to GW Pharmaceuticals to grow 20 tonnes a year for, you guessed it, medicine! Cannabis Law Reform (CLEAR) published independent research last year that shows a cannabis tax and regulate policy would provide a boost to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa as well as reducing all health and social harms. The only thing that keeps the present absurd status quo in place is weak politicians corrupted by Big Booze and the GW Pharma monopoly.[/p][/quote]Here here! Cannabis should be legalised in UK. No one has ever died directly from cannabis. I drive stoned most off the time. It's the only way it gets me to slow down!! Convicted_Criminal

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