Fair Havens Hospice, Westcliff, looking for more space

Fair Havens Hospice in need of more space

Fair Havens Hospice in need of more space

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NARROW corridors, bedrooms so tiny relatives have to wait outside and stairs so steep patients are trapped upstairs mean hospice staff are struggling to offer dignified care.

Patients and their families heap praise on the dedicated, attentive staff at Fair Havens Hospice in Westcliff.

But the limits of the ageing building, made from two converted houses that sit directly on the busy Second Avenue, mean patients sometimes have to wait up to a month for a suitable room.

Once they get a place they can be subjected to undignified, distressing situations from the start to the end of their stay.

The limitations of the building, in Chalkwell Avenue, have been revealed as bosses prepare an appeal to the Government over plans for a new hospice on green belt land in Leigh.

For example, the majority of the hospice’s ten bedrooms are upstairs, but the building has no lift.

Most patients, who are very sick as they near the end of their lives, have severe mobility problems.

Some are too weak to sit on the stairlift meaning they have to wait – sometimes up to a month – for a bed downstairs.

As patients’ health deteriorates those that make it upstairs often cannot make it down again. This can be especially distressing for Christians wanting to spend quiet moments of contemplation as the hospice’s chapel is on the ground floor.

Corridors are only an arm’s length apart in places.

Nurses carrying trays of food who are used to navigating the cramped conditions wait with instinctive patience at passing places as the hospice throngs at lunch time.

But the halls are impassable for wheelchairs or beds, trapping patients in their rooms.

One room particularly isolated room is empty several times a year as it is only suitable for particularly mobile patients are suitable.

Undertakers have to carry bodies upright on stretchers to get them through the corridor and down the stairs. A door has had to be cut through to the dining room opposite a downstairs room to allow undertakers to do three-point-turns with bodies removed from the room. The dining room has to be cleared of patients at a moment’s notice so the morbid manoeuvre can take place.

Some bedrooms of the former family home are so cramped family members have to take turns to sit with patients.

The hospice has nowhere for relatives to stay overnight so they can be close by for their loved ones last moments. Instead many sleep bedside in a reclining chair.

The front door is barely a few feet from the busy Second Avenue, with family homes opposite.

Catherine Wood, head of patient services at Havens hospices, said: “If we had a patient who died the undertaker would come and back as close to the entrance as possible, but it’s still so visible and people walking past can see everything.

“They might see a really sick patient arriving. They might have tumours on their face or be really skeletal.

“They won’t want to be seen. It’s really undignified.”

Studies have shown that outdoor space reduces levels of anxiety and patients with access to a tranquil garden need less pain relief.

But the hospice’s beautiful garden – funded by the Echo – is inaccessible for anyone in a wheelchair and those who can walk out have to pass the recycling bins on the way.

Distraught family members having to make distressing calls after a patient has died often come to the garden, but they are in full view of Second Avenue.

South Essex has a shortfall of 18 palliative care cancer beds, according to a report by NHS Cancer Network.

Havens Hospices, which operates Fair Havens and Little Havens Children’s Hospice in Thundersley, wants to build a new £15million state-of-the-art 16-bed facility on green belt land off Belton Way West, Leigh.

Southend Council rejected the plans as it felt the charity failed to demonstrate a need sufficient to overcome the harm to the green belt.

But the hospice says a new facility offering privacy to patients and grieving families, tranquil views that could ease their suffering and all care on one floor with enough space for nurses to attend to complex medical problems is a strong enough need.

An eight-day public inquiry starting on June 18(2013) will decide.

MERLE Clarke saw a modern hospice when her sister-in-law needed palliative care two years ago.

So now Mrs Clarke, 82, of Southend, needs care herself after being struck down by cancer, she knows what Fair Havens is missing.

Describing her sister-in-law’s hospice in Weston-super-Mare, she said: “It was all on one floor. Everything was there.

“It had French doors that opened out onto the garden. She could even go outside.

“It’s essential that people can see a nice view. There’s a suggestion that they don’t want something nice to look at. What else are you going to think about? It’s ridiculous.”

Instead of views of a garden – or out over the estuary as Havens wants to offer from its proposed new hospice – Mrs Clarke’s cramped, narrow room has views over Second Avenue.

She said: “If the windows are open the noise from the traffic is incredible.”

There are only a couple of chairs, so if more relatives visit, they would have to sit in the en suite bathroom.

The hoist only covers the area between the bed and bathroom, so if a patient wanted to sit in the chair, staff would have to manhandle them.

Mrs Clarke is lucky. She is still fairly mobile - but the stairlift still terrifies her.

Staff have been amazingly attentive, Mrs Clarke says, always coming as soon as they are needed and filling up her water before they are asked.

But the building itself is letting staff, patients and visitors down.

She said: “The town deserves a better hospice.”

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9:20am Mon 6 May 13

Elephantman2 says...

So now the Echo is Fairhaven's publicity machine is it? This is a great charity that I will never donate to again. They need to stop wasting everybody's time and find a site that isn't on green belt to build their new hospice.
So now the Echo is Fairhaven's publicity machine is it? This is a great charity that I will never donate to again. They need to stop wasting everybody's time and find a site that isn't on green belt to build their new hospice. Elephantman2
  • Score: 0

9:48am Mon 6 May 13

Eric the Red says...

Elephantman2 wrote:
So now the Echo is Fairhaven's publicity machine is it? This is a great charity that I will never donate to again. They need to stop wasting everybody's time and find a site that isn't on green belt to build their new hospice.
Yes - more emotional blackmail to get their 16-bed-but-massive-c
omplex imposed on the Green Belt.
[quote][p][bold]Elephantman2[/bold] wrote: So now the Echo is Fairhaven's publicity machine is it? This is a great charity that I will never donate to again. They need to stop wasting everybody's time and find a site that isn't on green belt to build their new hospice.[/p][/quote]Yes - more emotional blackmail to get their 16-bed-but-massive-c omplex imposed on the Green Belt. Eric the Red
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10:07am Mon 6 May 13

Bluebs says...

I've raised thousands for Fairhavens over the years, London Marathons, dog walks, cycle rides, motor days etc etc...but I will never give another penny, they have wasted thousands of pounds fighting the very people who support them by trying to bully their new building onto a green belt area.
They have made their point that their present hospice is too small...yes we understand that, thank you very much, what we don't understand is why in all of Essex, only Belton Hill will be suitable for you?????
Biting off the hand that feeds you, is very apt.
I've raised thousands for Fairhavens over the years, London Marathons, dog walks, cycle rides, motor days etc etc...but I will never give another penny, they have wasted thousands of pounds fighting the very people who support them by trying to bully their new building onto a green belt area. They have made their point that their present hospice is too small...yes we understand that, thank you very much, what we don't understand is why in all of Essex, only Belton Hill will be suitable for you????? Biting off the hand that feeds you, is very apt. Bluebs
  • Score: 0

11:32am Mon 6 May 13

Kursaal76 says...

what is wrong with you people! you need to think back to when your houses was built! bet that was on a nice green field so its ok for your houses to be on nice green land but not theres? these poor people go to them to die and your moaning because they want a bit of green belt land. you lot should be ashamed of yourself s.
what is wrong with you people! you need to think back to when your houses was built! bet that was on a nice green field so its ok for your houses to be on nice green land but not theres? these poor people go to them to die and your moaning because they want a bit of green belt land. you lot should be ashamed of yourself s. Kursaal76
  • Score: -1

11:35am Mon 6 May 13

the citizen says...

Bluebs wrote:
I've raised thousands for Fairhavens over the years, London Marathons, dog walks, cycle rides, motor days etc etc...but I will never give another penny, they have wasted thousands of pounds fighting the very people who support them by trying to bully their new building onto a green belt area.
They have made their point that their present hospice is too small...yes we understand that, thank you very much, what we don't understand is why in all of Essex, only Belton Hill will be suitable for you?????
Biting off the hand that feeds you, is very apt.
"In all of Essex...." ???Talk about missing the point. We need a LOCAL hospice that is suitable for local people. Whilst appreciative of your efforts and support, (and all the others who have decided to cease supporting the work) It never ceases to amaze me that the principle of ring-fencing finances for the new development (wherever it ends up) and which cant be used for general purposes) has not registered with many who are now withdrawing their support. Interesting change of tack from the Echo though.
[quote][p][bold]Bluebs[/bold] wrote: I've raised thousands for Fairhavens over the years, London Marathons, dog walks, cycle rides, motor days etc etc...but I will never give another penny, they have wasted thousands of pounds fighting the very people who support them by trying to bully their new building onto a green belt area. They have made their point that their present hospice is too small...yes we understand that, thank you very much, what we don't understand is why in all of Essex, only Belton Hill will be suitable for you????? Biting off the hand that feeds you, is very apt.[/p][/quote]"In all of Essex...." ???Talk about missing the point. We need a LOCAL hospice that is suitable for local people. Whilst appreciative of your efforts and support, (and all the others who have decided to cease supporting the work) It never ceases to amaze me that the principle of ring-fencing finances for the new development (wherever it ends up) and which cant be used for general purposes) has not registered with many who are now withdrawing their support. Interesting change of tack from the Echo though. the citizen
  • Score: 4

11:54am Mon 6 May 13

norfolkbroad says...

the citizen wrote:
Bluebs wrote:
I've raised thousands for Fairhavens over the years, London Marathons, dog walks, cycle rides, motor days etc etc...but I will never give another penny, they have wasted thousands of pounds fighting the very people who support them by trying to bully their new building onto a green belt area.
They have made their point that their present hospice is too small...yes we understand that, thank you very much, what we don't understand is why in all of Essex, only Belton Hill will be suitable for you?????
Biting off the hand that feeds you, is very apt.
"In all of Essex...." ???Talk about missing the point. We need a LOCAL hospice that is suitable for local people. Whilst appreciative of your efforts and support, (and all the others who have decided to cease supporting the work) It never ceases to amaze me that the principle of ring-fencing finances for the new development (wherever it ends up) and which cant be used for general purposes) has not registered with many who are now withdrawing their support. Interesting change of tack from the Echo though.
No, we all get that the money is ring-fenced. We've just withdrawn all support because of the emotional blackmail and refusal to understand how deeply unpopular this plan is. Go away and build it on Brown field land - Victoria Avenue, or go to Little Havens and build it as big as you wish.
[quote][p][bold]the citizen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bluebs[/bold] wrote: I've raised thousands for Fairhavens over the years, London Marathons, dog walks, cycle rides, motor days etc etc...but I will never give another penny, they have wasted thousands of pounds fighting the very people who support them by trying to bully their new building onto a green belt area. They have made their point that their present hospice is too small...yes we understand that, thank you very much, what we don't understand is why in all of Essex, only Belton Hill will be suitable for you????? Biting off the hand that feeds you, is very apt.[/p][/quote]"In all of Essex...." ???Talk about missing the point. We need a LOCAL hospice that is suitable for local people. Whilst appreciative of your efforts and support, (and all the others who have decided to cease supporting the work) It never ceases to amaze me that the principle of ring-fencing finances for the new development (wherever it ends up) and which cant be used for general purposes) has not registered with many who are now withdrawing their support. Interesting change of tack from the Echo though.[/p][/quote]No, we all get that the money is ring-fenced. We've just withdrawn all support because of the emotional blackmail and refusal to understand how deeply unpopular this plan is. Go away and build it on Brown field land - Victoria Avenue, or go to Little Havens and build it as big as you wish. norfolkbroad
  • Score: 0

12:55pm Mon 6 May 13

marybelle says...

Why do people with a cause to fight believe they speak for the majority?

fair havens wherever they go will build a nice environmentally friendly building a credit to any area and the impact to the area will be minimal.

little Havens is a good example, very few residents surrounding that building actually know it is there.

If it is not built as the Salvation Army is a caring Church perhaps an entire estate of Council properties that do not need planning could go there, that will certainly keep the NIMBYS on their toes.
Why do people with a cause to fight believe they speak for the majority? fair havens wherever they go will build a nice environmentally friendly building a credit to any area and the impact to the area will be minimal. little Havens is a good example, very few residents surrounding that building actually know it is there. If it is not built as the Salvation Army is a caring Church perhaps an entire estate of Council properties that do not need planning could go there, that will certainly keep the NIMBYS on their toes. marybelle
  • Score: 5

3:11pm Mon 6 May 13

GrumpyofLeigh says...

Has the Echo merely cut 'n paste a Fair Havens release?
Its building has always suffered from these limitations but why put it out now?.....oh yeah, goddit
Has the Echo merely cut 'n paste a Fair Havens release? Its building has always suffered from these limitations but why put it out now?.....oh yeah, goddit GrumpyofLeigh
  • Score: -2

3:12pm Mon 6 May 13

Broadwaywatch says...

I have read the artical but cant really see the difference in the premises Fair Havens has now than that when they first purchased it other than the knocking of two houses into one. Surely the lack of space was the same then so why did Fairhavens buy that particular cramped and far from ideal premises back then. Why has it taken all this time to discover that the space is, as they maintain, to cramped. It is dispicable and disrepectful to use the example of how some of the deceased are moved just to further the campain to move on to Green Belt land but as it has been mentioned I question.... did not those same problems with moving the living as well as the dead exist those many years ago when the property was first bought. Have the corridors got narrower, have the stairs become more steep? I think Fairhavens do a wonderful job but I am not in agreement with the attempts of emotional blackmail they seem to be using more and more often. There is in the artical the mention of a Chapel on the ground floor for Christians. I now ask a polite question..... why the mention of such; are not all faiths catered for at Fairhavens, I always presumed that they were.
I have read the artical but cant really see the difference in the premises Fair Havens has now than that when they first purchased it other than the knocking of two houses into one. Surely the lack of space was the same then so why did Fairhavens buy that particular cramped and far from ideal premises back then. Why has it taken all this time to discover that the space is, as they maintain, to cramped. It is dispicable and disrepectful to use the example of how some of the deceased are moved just to further the campain to move on to Green Belt land but as it has been mentioned I question.... did not those same problems with moving the living as well as the dead exist those many years ago when the property was first bought. Have the corridors got narrower, have the stairs become more steep? I think Fairhavens do a wonderful job but I am not in agreement with the attempts of emotional blackmail they seem to be using more and more often. There is in the artical the mention of a Chapel on the ground floor for Christians. I now ask a polite question..... why the mention of such; are not all faiths catered for at Fairhavens, I always presumed that they were. Broadwaywatch
  • Score: 1

3:37pm Mon 6 May 13

Alice_Westcliff says...

Trying to remove Belton Way from the equation, I think what the charity is attempting to demonstrate her is how urgent it is that they move. The council reckon they've got time to wait around and there isn't an urgent need. I think it becomes urgent when their spouse/parent/friend needs somewhere, other than a hospital ward or home, to be cared for.

Hard-hitting, but reality, I suppose. When we were there you're just grateful for their wonderful care. It's only in retrospect that you think, yeah, it would have been nice to wheel mum into the garden or that we were fortunate to be downstairs.

In response to the Christian question, all faiths can definitely be cared there, AND if you don't have a "defined" faith like us. The chapel is just somewhere quiet to go if you need a moment.

It never ceases to surprise me that people on here justify their comments by saying 'I used to give money but don't anymore." If that is indeed true (and there are many commenters whom I would doubt hugely) you're not depriving the charity, but those who rely on its care. And despite your invincibility against cancer, it seems, it really could be you one day.
Trying to remove Belton Way from the equation, I think what the charity is attempting to demonstrate her is how urgent it is that they move. The council reckon they've got time to wait around and there isn't an urgent need. I think it becomes urgent when their spouse/parent/friend needs somewhere, other than a hospital ward or home, to be cared for. Hard-hitting, but reality, I suppose. When we were there you're just grateful for their wonderful care. It's only in retrospect that you think, yeah, it would have been nice to wheel mum into the garden or that we were fortunate to be downstairs. In response to the Christian question, all faiths can definitely be cared there, AND if you don't have a "defined" faith like us. The chapel is just somewhere quiet to go if you need a moment. It never ceases to surprise me that people on here justify their comments by saying 'I used to give money but don't anymore." If that is indeed true (and there are many commenters whom I would doubt hugely) you're not depriving the charity, but those who rely on its care. And despite your invincibility against cancer, it seems, it really could be you one day. Alice_Westcliff
  • Score: 6

4:23pm Mon 6 May 13

firedog says...

Alice_Westcliff wrote:
Trying to remove Belton Way from the equation, I think what the charity is attempting to demonstrate her is how urgent it is that they move. The council reckon they've got time to wait around and there isn't an urgent need. I think it becomes urgent when their spouse/parent/friend needs somewhere, other than a hospital ward or home, to be cared for.

Hard-hitting, but reality, I suppose. When we were there you're just grateful for their wonderful care. It's only in retrospect that you think, yeah, it would have been nice to wheel mum into the garden or that we were fortunate to be downstairs.

In response to the Christian question, all faiths can definitely be cared there, AND if you don't have a "defined" faith like us. The chapel is just somewhere quiet to go if you need a moment.

It never ceases to surprise me that people on here justify their comments by saying 'I used to give money but don't anymore." If that is indeed true (and there are many commenters whom I would doubt hugely) you're not depriving the charity, but those who rely on its care. And despite your invincibility against cancer, it seems, it really could be you one day.
I totally agree with your logical post.Anyone can say I used to give thousands
to this and that,I wont call them liars just dreamers.
[quote][p][bold]Alice_Westcliff[/bold] wrote: Trying to remove Belton Way from the equation, I think what the charity is attempting to demonstrate her is how urgent it is that they move. The council reckon they've got time to wait around and there isn't an urgent need. I think it becomes urgent when their spouse/parent/friend needs somewhere, other than a hospital ward or home, to be cared for. Hard-hitting, but reality, I suppose. When we were there you're just grateful for their wonderful care. It's only in retrospect that you think, yeah, it would have been nice to wheel mum into the garden or that we were fortunate to be downstairs. In response to the Christian question, all faiths can definitely be cared there, AND if you don't have a "defined" faith like us. The chapel is just somewhere quiet to go if you need a moment. It never ceases to surprise me that people on here justify their comments by saying 'I used to give money but don't anymore." If that is indeed true (and there are many commenters whom I would doubt hugely) you're not depriving the charity, but those who rely on its care. And despite your invincibility against cancer, it seems, it really could be you one day.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with your logical post.Anyone can say I used to give thousands to this and that,I wont call them liars just dreamers. firedog
  • Score: 2

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7:31pm Mon 6 May 13

Bluebs says...

Firedog..anytime you want to see my London Marathon pics wearing a Havens running vest, just ask. Whether money is ring fenced or not, it seems a shame to waste it on expensive lawyers. Alice, surely the fundwasters at Havens are depriving the people they are supposedly caring for, by spending cash on fighting their own supporters. Sounds like the head waster has taken a leaf out of Ratners book on how to wreck a successful business.
I personally disagree with the building on the green belt land, there are many other areas that are just as suitable, we know it and the Havens fund wasters know it...so I'm afraid whether Firedog and Alice believe me or not...I couldn't care less, but when Havens start to suffer a massive decrease in funds, they'll at least know why people have chosen not to donate.
Firedog..anytime you want to see my London Marathon pics wearing a Havens running vest, just ask. Whether money is ring fenced or not, it seems a shame to waste it on expensive lawyers. Alice, surely the fundwasters at Havens are depriving the people they are supposedly caring for, by spending cash on fighting their own supporters. Sounds like the head waster has taken a leaf out of Ratners book on how to wreck a successful business. I personally disagree with the building on the green belt land, there are many other areas that are just as suitable, we know it and the Havens fund wasters know it...so I'm afraid whether Firedog and Alice believe me or not...I couldn't care less, but when Havens start to suffer a massive decrease in funds, they'll at least know why people have chosen not to donate. Bluebs
  • Score: -2

1:02pm Tue 7 May 13

perini says...

Who wrote this emotional blackmail rubbish - Mr Smith?
As an earlier poster reminds you - the current building hasn't got smaller so why now, is it suddenly cramped? It must have been cramped from Day 1 so why did Fairhavens take it on?
Mr Smith - Nebs has very kindly done some research for you and found a suitable property, a lot cheaper, and more accessible - or doesn't that have the resale appeal?
Who wrote this emotional blackmail rubbish - Mr Smith? As an earlier poster reminds you - the current building hasn't got smaller so why now, is it suddenly cramped? It must have been cramped from Day 1 so why did Fairhavens take it on? Mr Smith - Nebs has very kindly done some research for you and found a suitable property, a lot cheaper, and more accessible - or doesn't that have the resale appeal? perini
  • Score: -1

1:17pm Tue 7 May 13

PRoch says...

"The current building hasn't got smaller so why now?" and "Why did Fair Havens buy that small site back then when they knew it wouldn't be suitable now?"
That's like saying if you bought a two bedroom house and planned to have one child but then gave birth to sextuplets that it's your fault you didn't envisage that!
Blimey. Anyone would think that there hasn't been an increase in cancer or other illnesses since the 1980s.
Day 1 of the hospice was 30 years ago so don't be idiotic.
And that's the whole reason havens are doing this - to prepare for the future.
"The current building hasn't got smaller so why now?" and "Why did Fair Havens buy that small site back then when they knew it wouldn't be suitable now?" That's like saying if you bought a two bedroom house and planned to have one child but then gave birth to sextuplets that it's your fault you didn't envisage that! Blimey. Anyone would think that there hasn't been an increase in cancer or other illnesses since the 1980s. Day 1 of the hospice was 30 years ago so don't be idiotic. And that's the whole reason havens are doing this - to prepare for the future. PRoch
  • Score: 3

5:07pm Tue 7 May 13

firedog says...

Bluebs wrote:
Firedog..anytime you want to see my London Marathon pics wearing a Havens running vest, just ask. Whether money is ring fenced or not, it seems a shame to waste it on expensive lawyers. Alice, surely the fundwasters at Havens are depriving the people they are supposedly caring for, by spending cash on fighting their own supporters. Sounds like the head waster has taken a leaf out of Ratners book on how to wreck a successful business.
I personally disagree with the building on the green belt land, there are many other areas that are just as suitable, we know it and the Havens fund wasters know it...so I'm afraid whether Firedog and Alice believe me or not...I couldn't care less, but when Havens start to suffer a massive decrease in funds, they'll at least know why people have chosen not to donate.
I am an airline pilot,and I have pictures to prove it,and the camera never lies
does it?Or was I a warship captain, I cant remember which uniform I hired
now.
[quote][p][bold]Bluebs[/bold] wrote: Firedog..anytime you want to see my London Marathon pics wearing a Havens running vest, just ask. Whether money is ring fenced or not, it seems a shame to waste it on expensive lawyers. Alice, surely the fundwasters at Havens are depriving the people they are supposedly caring for, by spending cash on fighting their own supporters. Sounds like the head waster has taken a leaf out of Ratners book on how to wreck a successful business. I personally disagree with the building on the green belt land, there are many other areas that are just as suitable, we know it and the Havens fund wasters know it...so I'm afraid whether Firedog and Alice believe me or not...I couldn't care less, but when Havens start to suffer a massive decrease in funds, they'll at least know why people have chosen not to donate.[/p][/quote]I am an airline pilot,and I have pictures to prove it,and the camera never lies does it?Or was I a warship captain, I cant remember which uniform I hired now. firedog
  • Score: 2

8:01pm Tue 7 May 13

Bluebs says...

Yes of course..you're so right, must be great being you...wish I had a big dressing up box,although not sure you can hire a havens running vest, anyway I'll just have to raise money for a charity where the head fund waster isn't chasing a MBE....at the expense of the people he's supposed to be caring for. End.
Yes of course..you're so right, must be great being you...wish I had a big dressing up box,although not sure you can hire a havens running vest, anyway I'll just have to raise money for a charity where the head fund waster isn't chasing a MBE....at the expense of the people he's supposed to be caring for. End. Bluebs
  • Score: -2

8:36pm Tue 7 May 13

bezzie says...

Individuals on here making negative comments are just soooo irritating. I hope people like you never ever need the services of Fairhavens as unless you have had use of the hospice facilities you just cannot make fair comment. All these threats of "I am never donating to them again" -call yourself fund raisers- thats a joke.Anyway every day Fairhavens will have new fund raisers because if ever you have had a family member die there - you just want to raise money for them so they can continue with the excellent care that they provide to families.
Individuals on here making negative comments are just soooo irritating. I hope people like you never ever need the services of Fairhavens as unless you have had use of the hospice facilities you just cannot make fair comment. All these threats of "I am never donating to them again" -call yourself fund raisers- thats a joke.Anyway every day Fairhavens will have new fund raisers because if ever you have had a family member die there - you just want to raise money for them so they can continue with the excellent care that they provide to families. bezzie
  • Score: 2

9:17pm Tue 7 May 13

Alan Robbo says...

I find all this fascinating, has no one got anything good to say about Havens Hospice?
I find it a wonderful place, but now getting out dated and worn out, and in need of replacement.
Belton Way West can only be improved with this wonderful building.
I am a volunteer at Havens Hospice and shall remain so.
I find all this fascinating, has no one got anything good to say about Havens Hospice? I find it a wonderful place, but now getting out dated and worn out, and in need of replacement. Belton Way West can only be improved with this wonderful building. I am a volunteer at Havens Hospice and shall remain so. Alan Robbo
  • Score: 3

5:37pm Wed 8 May 13

firedog says...

Bluebs wrote:
Yes of course..you're so right, must be great being you...wish I had a big dressing up box,although not sure you can hire a havens running vest, anyway I'll just have to raise money for a charity where the head fund waster isn't chasing a MBE....at the expense of the people he's supposed to be caring for. End.
You would only need one costume in your dressing up box,-Scrooge!
[quote][p][bold]Bluebs[/bold] wrote: Yes of course..you're so right, must be great being you...wish I had a big dressing up box,although not sure you can hire a havens running vest, anyway I'll just have to raise money for a charity where the head fund waster isn't chasing a MBE....at the expense of the people he's supposed to be caring for. End.[/p][/quote]You would only need one costume in your dressing up box,-Scrooge! firedog
  • Score: 0

10:15pm Wed 8 May 13

Bluebs says...

How can you call me scrooge, when I've already donated thousands?...when they stop wasting my hard earned money on expensive lawyers, then I'll reconsider...I'm all for the work they do...just not for all the money they are wasting fighting the people who support them...I've typed that really slowly so Firedog might be able to understand it....
How can you call me scrooge, when I've already donated thousands?...when they stop wasting my hard earned money on expensive lawyers, then I'll reconsider...I'm all for the work they do...just not for all the money they are wasting fighting the people who support them...I've typed that really slowly so Firedog might be able to understand it.... Bluebs
  • Score: 0

10:28pm Wed 8 May 13

Lamur1 says...

Emotional blackmail... Yawn. How can dealing with death be anything but emotional?
Emotional blackmail... Yawn. How can dealing with death be anything but emotional? Lamur1
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5:36pm Thu 9 May 13

firedog says...

Bluebs wrote:
How can you call me scrooge, when I've already donated thousands?...when they stop wasting my hard earned money on expensive lawyers, then I'll reconsider...I'm all for the work they do...just not for all the money they are wasting fighting the people who support them...I've typed that really slowly so Firedog might be able to understand it....
No I still cant understand your point,if you look criticly at all charities,you would never donate,even in your dreams.
[quote][p][bold]Bluebs[/bold] wrote: How can you call me scrooge, when I've already donated thousands?...when they stop wasting my hard earned money on expensive lawyers, then I'll reconsider...I'm all for the work they do...just not for all the money they are wasting fighting the people who support them...I've typed that really slowly so Firedog might be able to understand it....[/p][/quote]No I still cant understand your point,if you look criticly at all charities,you would never donate,even in your dreams. firedog
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3:22pm Fri 10 May 13

Bluebs says...

Poor old Firedog, he can't offer a valid point, so has to resort to questioning my honesty. What a small jealous little fellow...must dash off to treat the family to a show and slap up meal up in town...better than giving it to the fundwasters at Havens...xxx
Poor old Firedog, he can't offer a valid point, so has to resort to questioning my honesty. What a small jealous little fellow...must dash off to treat the family to a show and slap up meal up in town...better than giving it to the fundwasters at Havens...xxx Bluebs
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5:54pm Fri 10 May 13

firedog says...

Bluebs wrote:
Poor old Firedog, he can't offer a valid point, so has to resort to questioning my honesty. What a small jealous little fellow...must dash off to treat the family to a show and slap up meal up in town...better than giving it to the fundwasters at Havens...xxx
What a sad little dreamer you are,I shall look out for you and your family in
McDonalds,you will probably be wearing your marathon copy tee shirt.
[quote][p][bold]Bluebs[/bold] wrote: Poor old Firedog, he can't offer a valid point, so has to resort to questioning my honesty. What a small jealous little fellow...must dash off to treat the family to a show and slap up meal up in town...better than giving it to the fundwasters at Havens...xxx[/p][/quote]What a sad little dreamer you are,I shall look out for you and your family in McDonalds,you will probably be wearing your marathon copy tee shirt. firedog
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6:04pm Fri 10 May 13

Bluebs says...

Ha ha ha...still no valid contribution regarding the actual subject..."copy tee shirt" ?...I don't think so..."Macdonalds"...
thats for losers like you to spend their benefit on, well that which you haven't blown on scratch cards and fags.....
Now if you want to discuss the stupid idea of trying to build a hospice on greenbelt land, then we can crack on, but it's really boring of you playing the jealous keyboard warrior, you wouldn't call me a liar to my face, but from the safety of your council flat, you're quite a killer aint ya?
Ha ha ha...still no valid contribution regarding the actual subject..."copy tee shirt" ?...I don't think so..."Macdonalds"... thats for losers like you to spend their benefit on, well that which you haven't blown on scratch cards and fags..... Now if you want to discuss the stupid idea of trying to build a hospice on greenbelt land, then we can crack on, but it's really boring of you playing the jealous keyboard warrior, you wouldn't call me a liar to my face, but from the safety of your council flat, you're quite a killer aint ya? Bluebs
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7:28pm Fri 10 May 13

firedog says...

Your silly assumptions about my life,are about as accurate as your views on a scrappy wedge of so called greenbelt.
I didn't realise you could see it from
your council flat.I must admit I am
jealous of your vivid imagination.
Your silly assumptions about my life,are about as accurate as your views on a scrappy wedge of so called greenbelt. I didn't realise you could see it from your council flat.I must admit I am jealous of your vivid imagination. firedog
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9:48pm Fri 10 May 13

Bluebs says...

No thats just more jealous mumblings...not really a valid point...bye bye boring person.
No thats just more jealous mumblings...not really a valid point...bye bye boring person. Bluebs
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5:04pm Sat 11 May 13

firedog says...

Bluebs wrote:
No thats just more jealous mumblings...not really a valid point...bye bye boring person.
You seem to be running out of steam,which is the only running you do.
[quote][p][bold]Bluebs[/bold] wrote: No thats just more jealous mumblings...not really a valid point...bye bye boring person.[/p][/quote]You seem to be running out of steam,which is the only running you do. firedog
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9:12pm Sat 11 May 13

Bluebs says...

FFS up your game, I typed it slow enough for you...the task was to demonstrate valid points as to why the hospice should be built on the greenbelt...not try and make your own inadequate existance seem better by slagging off someone who is infinately more successful than yourself. Generally I wouldn't bother talking to quarter wits like you but I sometimes feel that I should try and help educate the less fortunate.
I've got garden shrubs with a higher IQ than you...so instead of wasting anymore of my time trying to find any intelligent life from your call sign, I'll "jog on".
FFS up your game, I typed it slow enough for you...the task was to demonstrate valid points as to why the hospice should be built on the greenbelt...not try and make your own inadequate existance seem better by slagging off someone who is infinately more successful than yourself. Generally I wouldn't bother talking to quarter wits like you but I sometimes feel that I should try and help educate the less fortunate. I've got garden shrubs with a higher IQ than you...so instead of wasting anymore of my time trying to find any intelligent life from your call sign, I'll "jog on". Bluebs
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9:51pm Sat 11 May 13

Nebs says...

perini wrote:
Who wrote this emotional blackmail rubbish - Mr Smith?
As an earlier poster reminds you - the current building hasn't got smaller so why now, is it suddenly cramped? It must have been cramped from Day 1 so why did Fairhavens take it on?
Mr Smith - Nebs has very kindly done some research for you and found a suitable property, a lot cheaper, and more accessible - or doesn't that have the resale appeal?
I wonder why they felt that this one was not worth bidding for...
http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/10407092.Plush_ap
artments_planned_for
_High_Street/
[quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: Who wrote this emotional blackmail rubbish - Mr Smith? As an earlier poster reminds you - the current building hasn't got smaller so why now, is it suddenly cramped? It must have been cramped from Day 1 so why did Fairhavens take it on? Mr Smith - Nebs has very kindly done some research for you and found a suitable property, a lot cheaper, and more accessible - or doesn't that have the resale appeal?[/p][/quote]I wonder why they felt that this one was not worth bidding for... http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/10407092.Plush_ap artments_planned_for _High_Street/ Nebs
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9:51pm Sat 11 May 13

bezzie says...

Bluebs wrote:
How can you call me scrooge, when I've already donated thousands?...when they stop wasting my hard earned money on expensive lawyers, then I'll reconsider...I'm all for the work they do...just not for all the money they are wasting fighting the people who support them...I've typed that really slowly so Firedog might be able to understand it....
sadly they have to waste their "hard earned money on expensive lawyers" because of ignorant people like you.
[quote][p][bold]Bluebs[/bold] wrote: How can you call me scrooge, when I've already donated thousands?...when they stop wasting my hard earned money on expensive lawyers, then I'll reconsider...I'm all for the work they do...just not for all the money they are wasting fighting the people who support them...I've typed that really slowly so Firedog might be able to understand it....[/p][/quote]sadly they have to waste their "hard earned money on expensive lawyers" because of ignorant people like you. bezzie
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9:56am Sun 12 May 13

Bluebs says...

No, it's my hard earned money they are wasting...if I'd known they were going to try and build the new hospice on land that would cause such bad feeling towards Havens, then I wouldn't have donated. Rather simple concept really, no need for rudeness and calling me ignorant.
The fall in donations to the hospice is an indication of the reduction of support it is receiving from the like minded previous fundraisers, I totally support the work the hospices do, and I have, despite the inaccurate and poisonous comments by some of the posters, raised thousands of pounds, money that I am sad to say has been poured into the fat wallets of the lawyers.
I feel that the Trustees of the hospice need to re-examine what their role and moral duty is...Is it to offer the best care available to the needy...or to follow and build Andy Smith's big shiney palace.
No, it's my hard earned money they are wasting...if I'd known they were going to try and build the new hospice on land that would cause such bad feeling towards Havens, then I wouldn't have donated. Rather simple concept really, no need for rudeness and calling me ignorant. The fall in donations to the hospice is an indication of the reduction of support it is receiving from the like minded previous fundraisers, I totally support the work the hospices do, and I have, despite the inaccurate and poisonous comments by some of the posters, raised thousands of pounds, money that I am sad to say has been poured into the fat wallets of the lawyers. I feel that the Trustees of the hospice need to re-examine what their role and moral duty is...Is it to offer the best care available to the needy...or to follow and build Andy Smith's big shiney palace. Bluebs
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5:50pm Sun 12 May 13

firedog says...

Bluebs wrote:
No, it's my hard earned money they are wasting...if I'd known they were going to try and build the new hospice on land that would cause such bad feeling towards Havens, then I wouldn't have donated. Rather simple concept really, no need for rudeness and calling me ignorant.
The fall in donations to the hospice is an indication of the reduction of support it is receiving from the like minded previous fundraisers, I totally support the work the hospices do, and I have, despite the inaccurate and poisonous comments by some of the posters, raised thousands of pounds, money that I am sad to say has been poured into the fat wallets of the lawyers.
I feel that the Trustees of the hospice need to re-examine what their role and moral duty is...Is it to offer the best care available to the needy...or to follow and build Andy Smith's big shiney palace.
Still dreaming about all the thousands
you have donated,I doubt if your donations would buy a paper clip.
[quote][p][bold]Bluebs[/bold] wrote: No, it's my hard earned money they are wasting...if I'd known they were going to try and build the new hospice on land that would cause such bad feeling towards Havens, then I wouldn't have donated. Rather simple concept really, no need for rudeness and calling me ignorant. The fall in donations to the hospice is an indication of the reduction of support it is receiving from the like minded previous fundraisers, I totally support the work the hospices do, and I have, despite the inaccurate and poisonous comments by some of the posters, raised thousands of pounds, money that I am sad to say has been poured into the fat wallets of the lawyers. I feel that the Trustees of the hospice need to re-examine what their role and moral duty is...Is it to offer the best care available to the needy...or to follow and build Andy Smith's big shiney palace.[/p][/quote]Still dreaming about all the thousands you have donated,I doubt if your donations would buy a paper clip. firedog
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8:12pm Sun 12 May 13

Bluebs says...

Another excellent contribution to the debate Firedog...your Special Needs teacher will be most proud.
Another excellent contribution to the debate Firedog...your Special Needs teacher will be most proud. Bluebs
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12:47pm Mon 13 May 13

mikey-leigh says...

Bluebs, you said that you were happy to share the pics of you in the Marathon vest. Put your money (insert own predictable retort here) where your mouth is and reveal your identity. I'm sure there's someone out there who can verify whether you ran or not, in the absence of being able to share pictures on here.
Bluebs, you said that you were happy to share the pics of you in the Marathon vest. Put your money (insert own predictable retort here) where your mouth is and reveal your identity. I'm sure there's someone out there who can verify whether you ran or not, in the absence of being able to share pictures on here. mikey-leigh
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4:22pm Mon 13 May 13

Bluebs says...

Mikey...by placing the comment (insert own predictable retort here) it shows that no matter what I say, I would not be able to convince you, likewise why should I ? I have nothing to prove, certainly not by revealing my identity to a bunch of halfwits on the internet, personal security is far more important than trying to educate some keyboard warrior.
You seem to be another, who cannot offer any justifiable reason for the building of the hospice on green belt, so wish to divert the subject into " I bet he never even ran the marathon"... Louise G. knows who I am, and why I won't continue to raise funds, in the meantime,you and firedog should try really hard to comprehend the width, depth and breadth of the f**k I do not give about your curiosity. Very end..bye bye!!
Mikey...by placing the comment (insert own predictable retort here) it shows that no matter what I say, I would not be able to convince you, likewise why should I ? I have nothing to prove, certainly not by revealing my identity to a bunch of halfwits on the internet, personal security is far more important than trying to educate some keyboard warrior. You seem to be another, who cannot offer any justifiable reason for the building of the hospice on green belt, so wish to divert the subject into " I bet he never even ran the marathon"... Louise G. knows who I am, and why I won't continue to raise funds, in the meantime,you and firedog should try really hard to comprehend the width, depth and breadth of the f**k I do not give about your curiosity. Very end..bye bye!! Bluebs
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5:03pm Mon 13 May 13

firedog says...

Bluebs wrote:
Mikey...by placing the comment (insert own predictable retort here) it shows that no matter what I say, I would not be able to convince you, likewise why should I ? I have nothing to prove, certainly not by revealing my identity to a bunch of halfwits on the internet, personal security is far more important than trying to educate some keyboard warrior.
You seem to be another, who cannot offer any justifiable reason for the building of the hospice on green belt, so wish to divert the subject into " I bet he never even ran the marathon"... Louise G. knows who I am, and why I won't continue to raise funds, in the meantime,you and firedog should try really hard to comprehend the width, depth and breadth of the f**k I do not give about your curiosity. Very end..bye bye!!
Why do you keep posting silly comments then?
[quote][p][bold]Bluebs[/bold] wrote: Mikey...by placing the comment (insert own predictable retort here) it shows that no matter what I say, I would not be able to convince you, likewise why should I ? I have nothing to prove, certainly not by revealing my identity to a bunch of halfwits on the internet, personal security is far more important than trying to educate some keyboard warrior. You seem to be another, who cannot offer any justifiable reason for the building of the hospice on green belt, so wish to divert the subject into " I bet he never even ran the marathon"... Louise G. knows who I am, and why I won't continue to raise funds, in the meantime,you and firedog should try really hard to comprehend the width, depth and breadth of the f**k I do not give about your curiosity. Very end..bye bye!![/p][/quote]Why do you keep posting silly comments then? firedog
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