Thames crossing from Southend or Canvey?

Echo: Thames crossing from Southend or Canvey? Thames crossing from Southend or Canvey?

AN MP has called on the Government to look again at building a new Thames crossing in Canvey or Southend.

Jackie Doyle-Price, Tory MP for Thurrock, yesterday said the Government should look at options to build a crossing from Kent other than in her constituency.

The Government wants to build the new crossing to make way for an expected rise in car travel and to ease congestion at the Dartford crossing. It is consulting on four options, which all pass through Thurrock.

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10:25am Wed 3 Jul 13

landydave says...

ease congestion by removing the toll that was only supposed to last until the bridge had been paid for.
ease congestion by removing the toll that was only supposed to last until the bridge had been paid for. landydave
  • Score: 15

10:29am Wed 3 Jul 13

Chris Flunk says...

Construct a tunnel from Canvey and use the spoil to extend the island. Everyone's a winner!
Construct a tunnel from Canvey and use the spoil to extend the island. Everyone's a winner! Chris Flunk
  • Score: 3

10:30am Wed 3 Jul 13

Nebs says...

Extend the A130 over Canvey into Kent.
Extend the A130 over Canvey into Kent. Nebs
  • Score: 6

10:53am Wed 3 Jul 13

the citizen says...

landydave wrote:
ease congestion by removing the toll that was only supposed to last until the bridge had been paid for.
This has to be the first option. It would deal with SO much congestion and radically improve the traffic flow per hour over the existing crossings. Perhaps companies should start billing the Govt for delays due to congestion caused by tolls? Remove the tolls and THEN do a study about a further crossing.
[quote][p][bold]landydave[/bold] wrote: ease congestion by removing the toll that was only supposed to last until the bridge had been paid for.[/p][/quote]This has to be the first option. It would deal with SO much congestion and radically improve the traffic flow per hour over the existing crossings. Perhaps companies should start billing the Govt for delays due to congestion caused by tolls? Remove the tolls and THEN do a study about a further crossing. the citizen
  • Score: 19

11:39am Wed 3 Jul 13

the citizen says...

Also......Now that they are completing the lane widening north of the river we can expect traffic to arrive at the existing crossing in greater numbers per hour. It does not take a genius to work out that if you increase the capacity of the road then more vehicles arrive at any choke point eg Toll booths. Remove the tolls now and watch the flow work . We will have 4 lanes each way with uninterrupted passage. Why don't they try it for a period of 3 months to see? It could save us all a fortune.
Also......Now that they are completing the lane widening north of the river we can expect traffic to arrive at the existing crossing in greater numbers per hour. It does not take a genius to work out that if you increase the capacity of the road then more vehicles arrive at any choke point eg Toll booths. Remove the tolls now and watch the flow work . We will have 4 lanes each way with uninterrupted passage. Why don't they try it for a period of 3 months to see? It could save us all a fortune. the citizen
  • Score: 2

11:41am Wed 3 Jul 13

Howard Chase says...

build it on Canvey, after all they're always going on about having another road off the Island...
build it on Canvey, after all they're always going on about having another road off the Island... Howard Chase
  • Score: 1

11:44am Wed 3 Jul 13

landydave says...

Money.... money for the toll and money for the fuel being used sat waiting to pay the toll. It's a joke. Another crossing isnt needed. The only people benefiting at the moment are the people running the bridge and the government.
Money.... money for the toll and money for the fuel being used sat waiting to pay the toll. It's a joke. Another crossing isnt needed. The only people benefiting at the moment are the people running the bridge and the government. landydave
  • Score: 3

12:01pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Kursaal76 says...

are they stupid. southend and canvey are both grid locked at peak times. so when residents want to go shopping ect they will have to deal with more trouble.
are they stupid. southend and canvey are both grid locked at peak times. so when residents want to go shopping ect they will have to deal with more trouble. Kursaal76
  • Score: 3

12:01pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Kursaal76 says...

are they stupid. southend and canvey are both grid locked at peak times. so when residents want to go shopping ect they will have to deal with more trouble.
are they stupid. southend and canvey are both grid locked at peak times. so when residents want to go shopping ect they will have to deal with more trouble. Kursaal76
  • Score: 1

12:12pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Shimmy shammy says...

Yes, yes, a crossing from Canvey please, you know it makes sense
Yes, yes, a crossing from Canvey please, you know it makes sense Shimmy shammy
  • Score: -4

12:21pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Ian P says...

Shimmy shammy wrote:
Yes, yes, a crossing from Canvey please, you know it makes sense
It makes about as much sense as a chocolate teapot. Last Sunday by midday the A127 east bound was basically grilocked back from Southend to the Fairglen interchange and beyond. Can you imagine how much worse it would have been if traffic was also trying to reach a crossing to Kent?
[quote][p][bold]Shimmy shammy[/bold] wrote: Yes, yes, a crossing from Canvey please, you know it makes sense[/p][/quote]It makes about as much sense as a chocolate teapot. Last Sunday by midday the A127 east bound was basically grilocked back from Southend to the Fairglen interchange and beyond. Can you imagine how much worse it would have been if traffic was also trying to reach a crossing to Kent? Ian P
  • Score: 4

12:27pm Wed 3 Jul 13

BASILBRUSH says...

Remove the tolls at the QE2 bridge. Instant infrastructure congestion bust = a better economy.
Remove the tolls at the QE2 bridge. Instant infrastructure congestion bust = a better economy. BASILBRUSH
  • Score: 3

1:05pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Jubilation says...

Double the toll fees at the bridge, when the funds are in place, build from Canvey, use the spoils for the needed sea defences up river.
Fact is they could triple the toll fees, not many would use another route, bring in the cash....
Double the toll fees at the bridge, when the funds are in place, build from Canvey, use the spoils for the needed sea defences up river. Fact is they could triple the toll fees, not many would use another route, bring in the cash.... Jubilation
  • Score: 0

1:06pm Wed 3 Jul 13

pembury53 says...

It would be hard to find a greater example of greed and corruption than the dartford crossing.... when it comes to lining pockets who cares about a bit of pollution and traffic congestion..... however, as i understand it the barriers are to be removed, although of course charges will remain and use pre-payment systems like the congestion charge.... my guess is the new crossing will be to canvey which is one reason why the A130 and junctions were improved.... a crossing at southend is a ludicrous idea...
It would be hard to find a greater example of greed and corruption than the dartford crossing.... when it comes to lining pockets who cares about a bit of pollution and traffic congestion..... however, as i understand it the barriers are to be removed, although of course charges will remain and use pre-payment systems like the congestion charge.... my guess is the new crossing will be to canvey which is one reason why the A130 and junctions were improved.... a crossing at southend is a ludicrous idea... pembury53
  • Score: 2

1:17pm Wed 3 Jul 13

AndyBSG says...

Kursaal76 wrote:
are they stupid. southend and canvey are both grid locked at peak times. so when residents want to go shopping ect they will have to deal with more trouble.
This... People can't get on or off Canvey during rush hour as it is so having it as the staging point for a Thames Crossing is the most stupid idea ever and this woman is an elected official?
[quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: are they stupid. southend and canvey are both grid locked at peak times. so when residents want to go shopping ect they will have to deal with more trouble.[/p][/quote]This... People can't get on or off Canvey during rush hour as it is so having it as the staging point for a Thames Crossing is the most stupid idea ever and this woman is an elected official? AndyBSG
  • Score: 5

1:20pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Jubilation says...

Never mind Canvey, remember where it came from, ideal location, for the "Essex" end of the bridge to Kent. Toll of a tenner should get the cash tills a ringing...ding
Never mind Canvey, remember where it came from, ideal location, for the "Essex" end of the bridge to Kent. Toll of a tenner should get the cash tills a ringing...ding Jubilation
  • Score: 1

4:42pm Wed 3 Jul 13

runwellian says...

Canvey is a death trap and anything that encourages more traffic on Canvey is a 'no go' stupid idea.

If they are happy to allow a new hospice to spoil Leigh then allow a new access road to Thurrock!
Canvey is a death trap and anything that encourages more traffic on Canvey is a 'no go' stupid idea. If they are happy to allow a new hospice to spoil Leigh then allow a new access road to Thurrock! runwellian
  • Score: 0

8:43pm Wed 3 Jul 13

EssexPerson says...

They are planning on removing the tolls in 2014, but dont get too excited as they are installing number plate cameras to charge people, like with the Congestion Charge. Oh, and theres likely to be a £180 fine for non-payment. Lucky us!

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/motoring/news
/9658277/Motorists-f
ace-180-fine-for-fai
ling-to-pay-Dartford
-toll.html
They are planning on removing the tolls in 2014, but dont get too excited as they are installing number plate cameras to charge people, like with the Congestion Charge. Oh, and theres likely to be a £180 fine for non-payment. Lucky us! http://www.telegraph .co.uk/motoring/news /9658277/Motorists-f ace-180-fine-for-fai ling-to-pay-Dartford -toll.html EssexPerson
  • Score: -1

1:50am Thu 4 Jul 13

rodgdodge says...

Any new crossing will only make the A 13/ A 127, even worse than it is now.
And of course , we have not seen the extra effect on the area yet , when the new container port opens
Still massive delays at Sadlers farm at the peak.
Removing tolls , the only way to improve traffic flow.
Any new crossing will only make the A 13/ A 127, even worse than it is now. And of course , we have not seen the extra effect on the area yet , when the new container port opens Still massive delays at Sadlers farm at the peak. Removing tolls , the only way to improve traffic flow. rodgdodge
  • Score: 2

8:51am Thu 4 Jul 13

Nebs says...

Drivers in Essex and Kent are being discriminated against. There should be a toll on every bridge across the Thames, not just the bridge joining our counties.
Drivers in Essex and Kent are being discriminated against. There should be a toll on every bridge across the Thames, not just the bridge joining our counties. Nebs
  • Score: 0

9:49am Thu 4 Jul 13

John T Pharro says...

Kursaal76 wrote:
are they stupid. southend and canvey are both grid locked at peak times. so when residents want to go shopping ect they will have to deal with more trouble.
Plus it is the best part of 3 miles to Kent just think of the cost. The consultation is now being held and the 3 proposals are up for consultation. Obviously had a route from Canvey or Southend been a viable or cost effective alternative it would have been included. It wasn't and quite rightly so.
[quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: are they stupid. southend and canvey are both grid locked at peak times. so when residents want to go shopping ect they will have to deal with more trouble.[/p][/quote]Plus it is the best part of 3 miles to Kent just think of the cost. The consultation is now being held and the 3 proposals are up for consultation. Obviously had a route from Canvey or Southend been a viable or cost effective alternative it would have been included. It wasn't and quite rightly so. John T Pharro
  • Score: 3

11:15am Thu 4 Jul 13

maxell says...

I can see the posatives of a new crossing but sighting is most important as there are many cosiderations. I see DP world as being the precedent as where it should be placed, or should it be a tunnel rather than a bridge , for easten residence who whish to visit places like cantabury, or margate to name a few would benifit from a more local crossing as it would save both on time and fule costs lowering any carbon footprints, however a bridge would put pay to any airport plans as the danger risk would far to grate, a tunnel may not be so much of a danger issue, a crossing could allow people to get to our local airport with more ease but could our roads cope, I suspect not, but you would would be suprised what saristics can show, dp world has documented 1000,000 container movments pa and to move freight to southend airport would cause 675 lorries a day if the stobart group was to take just a 25% stake, which would with out doubt congest southend , if thames were to come around then it could mean a light railway over a bridge moving the containers to the airport saving congestion and carbon footprint, placing the the crossing to far up the line would passibly make it to close to dartford, and the estuary widens as we travel east, then we have the old thing about the montgomery, and yet more dredging. In my opinion be right or wrong very much doubt that the vessle would cause as much devastation as we are led to blieve, it may break a few windows from the percussion wave. I cant understand that as conainer vessels carrying 18,000 containers will be coming up the thames .the bow wave will be huge, yet this wont affect the montgomary, I think this card would be played if the bridge was to be sighted shoebury side , and of course should this be the case then major roadwork and all the associated comp purchase would come into play as the need for a by pass from shoebury to more than likly link with retendon . what many wont know there is extensive infrastucture work already underway across the thames so this has probably already been decided.
I can see the posatives of a new crossing but sighting is most important as there are many cosiderations. I see DP world as being the precedent as where it should be placed, or should it be a tunnel rather than a bridge , for easten residence who whish to visit places like cantabury, or margate to name a few would benifit from a more local crossing as it would save both on time and fule costs lowering any carbon footprints, however a bridge would put pay to any airport plans as the danger risk would far to grate, a tunnel may not be so much of a danger issue, a crossing could allow people to get to our local airport with more ease but could our roads cope, I suspect not, but you would would be suprised what saristics can show, dp world has documented 1000,000 container movments pa and to move freight to southend airport would cause 675 lorries a day if the stobart group was to take just a 25% stake, which would with out doubt congest southend , if thames were to come around then it could mean a light railway over a bridge moving the containers to the airport saving congestion and carbon footprint, placing the the crossing to far up the line would passibly make it to close to dartford, and the estuary widens as we travel east, then we have the old thing about the montgomery, and yet more dredging. In my opinion be right or wrong very much doubt that the vessle would cause as much devastation as we are led to blieve, it may break a few windows from the percussion wave. I cant understand that as conainer vessels carrying 18,000 containers will be coming up the thames .the bow wave will be huge, yet this wont affect the montgomary, I think this card would be played if the bridge was to be sighted shoebury side , and of course should this be the case then major roadwork and all the associated comp purchase would come into play as the need for a by pass from shoebury to more than likly link with retendon . what many wont know there is extensive infrastucture work already underway across the thames so this has probably already been decided. maxell
  • Score: 1

10:02pm Fri 5 Jul 13

ary1042 says...

I don't doubt everything has already been decided, the public consultations being just a sham to keep everyone quiet.
I don't doubt everything has already been decided, the public consultations being just a sham to keep everyone quiet. ary1042
  • Score: 1

2:31pm Mon 8 Jul 13

Kim Gandy says...

We still haven't finished paying for the last one.

Time to scrap the toll charge on QE2 Bridge; that is the best way of easing the congestion.

This con has gone on far too long and is another stealth tax.
We still haven't finished paying for the last one. Time to scrap the toll charge on QE2 Bridge; that is the best way of easing the congestion. This con has gone on far too long and is another stealth tax. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 2

2:32pm Mon 8 Jul 13

Kim Gandy says...

Jubilation wrote:
Double the toll fees at the bridge, when the funds are in place, build from Canvey, use the spoils for the needed sea defences up river.
Fact is they could triple the toll fees, not many would use another route, bring in the cash....
started reading this quote, then realised it could only be one of yours.

You really are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. You are the consummate attention seeker. Trouble is, you are also stupid.
[quote][p][bold]Jubilation[/bold] wrote: Double the toll fees at the bridge, when the funds are in place, build from Canvey, use the spoils for the needed sea defences up river. Fact is they could triple the toll fees, not many would use another route, bring in the cash....[/p][/quote]started reading this quote, then realised it could only be one of yours. You really are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. You are the consummate attention seeker. Trouble is, you are also stupid. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 1

2:35pm Mon 8 Jul 13

Kim Gandy says...

I see the usual background noise is infiltrating this thread. Perhaps one day it will disappear - funny you never hear the noise in real time, most likely because it wouldn't appear face to face with real people. Such noises only tend to occur from anonymous keyboards.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I see the usual background noise is infiltrating this thread. Perhaps one day it will disappear - funny you never hear the noise in real time, most likely because it wouldn't appear face to face with real people. Such noises only tend to occur from anonymous keyboards. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Kim Gandy
  • Score: 0

2:35pm Mon 8 Jul 13

Kim Gandy says...

I see the usual background noise is infiltrating this thread. Perhaps one day it will disappear - funny you never hear the noise in real time, most likely because it wouldn't appear face to face with real people. Such noises only tend to occur from anonymous keyboards.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I see the usual background noise is infiltrating this thread. Perhaps one day it will disappear - funny you never hear the noise in real time, most likely because it wouldn't appear face to face with real people. Such noises only tend to occur from anonymous keyboards. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Kim Gandy
  • Score: 0

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