Canvey man says vapour trails are a genuine threat

Echo: Canvey man says vapour trails are a genuine threat Canvey man says vapour trails are a genuine threat

THE man behind rubbished claims that Canvey is being covered by clouds from aircraft trails says it is not a conspiracy theory, but a genuine threat.

Pat Muldoon, 47, of Eton Close, Canvey, told Canvey Town Council planes were leaving long vapour trails in the sky which were blocking sunlight from the town.

Fears were raised at the last town council meeting on September 2 that chemicals were being discarded from planes over Canvey’s flight path.

Mr Muldoon said it was not chemicals coming from planes, but instead white trails from their exhausts which were covering the island.

He said: “The trails are not a conspiracy, but real, recognised by the Department for Transport with full acknowledgement they can last for several hours, expand, and form artificial cloud cover that impacts on the amount of sunlight we get.”

Councillor John Anderson said: “Our MP would have looked into it in more detail if there was something going on that shouldn’t be.”

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7:06am Mon 30 Sep 13

Ray1963 says...

Get a life matey.
Get a life matey. Ray1963
  • Score: 11

7:16am Mon 30 Sep 13

Ineverknewthat says...

What rubbish, my sister lives under the flight path, of the easy jet route, and has never seen a vapour trail of any sort, once you see it, 4 seconds later it's over the Thames ,climbing and gone.
What rubbish, my sister lives under the flight path, of the easy jet route, and has never seen a vapour trail of any sort, once you see it, 4 seconds later it's over the Thames ,climbing and gone. Ineverknewthat
  • Score: 4

8:25am Mon 30 Sep 13

Biker One says...

What a great start to the week, is this guy for real?
What a great start to the week, is this guy for real? Biker One
  • Score: 12

9:36am Mon 30 Sep 13

DogsMessInLeigh says...

we're all doomed.. doomed i tell ye...said Mr Muldoomed
we're all doomed.. doomed i tell ye...said Mr Muldoomed DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 8

10:28am Mon 30 Sep 13

Clifford Close says...

why would they want to block sunlight from Canvey though?
why would they want to block sunlight from Canvey though? Clifford Close
  • Score: 6

12:53pm Mon 30 Sep 13

Alekhine says...

The in flight lunch will be chicken curry. We ask passengers NOT to flush the toilet over Canvey.
The in flight lunch will be chicken curry. We ask passengers NOT to flush the toilet over Canvey. Alekhine
  • Score: 2

2:43pm Mon 30 Sep 13

emcee says...

The vast majority of the trails are water vapour and depending on altitude and atmospheric conditions can hang around for quite a while, just like real clouds.
Mr Muldoon, I think you will find naturally occuring weather will be your prime suspect in reducing sunshine over Canvey, not some miniscule amount of exhaust vapour from a few aircraft, thosands of feet up.
The vast majority of the trails are water vapour and depending on altitude and atmospheric conditions can hang around for quite a while, just like real clouds. Mr Muldoon, I think you will find naturally occuring weather will be your prime suspect in reducing sunshine over Canvey, not some miniscule amount of exhaust vapour from a few aircraft, thosands of feet up. emcee
  • Score: -52

5:01pm Mon 30 Sep 13

Steve H says...

I just had to check the date as I thought it might've been April 1st!!
I just had to check the date as I thought it might've been April 1st!! Steve H
  • Score: 12

6:04pm Mon 30 Sep 13

Audioman says...

He vis just a plain NUTTER should be locked up
He vis just a plain NUTTER should be locked up Audioman
  • Score: 13

9:14pm Mon 30 Sep 13

Letmetryagain says...

Ineverknewthat wrote:
What rubbish, my sister lives under the flight path, of the easy jet route, and has never seen a vapour trail of any sort, once you see it, 4 seconds later it's over the Thames ,climbing and gone.
You won't see them, they aren't flying high enough.

Apparently the Red Arrows were seen contrailing today, on their return from Malta.
[quote][p][bold]Ineverknewthat[/bold] wrote: What rubbish, my sister lives under the flight path, of the easy jet route, and has never seen a vapour trail of any sort, once you see it, 4 seconds later it's over the Thames ,climbing and gone.[/p][/quote]You won't see them, they aren't flying high enough. Apparently the Red Arrows were seen contrailing today, on their return from Malta. Letmetryagain
  • Score: 1

11:14pm Mon 30 Sep 13

lastlaugh.,. says...

Might the guy not have a point?

http://www.examiner.
com/article/climate-
manipulation-what-ar
e-they-spraying-our-
skies

Geo-engineering re: 'Global warming/Climate change'
Might the guy not have a point? http://www.examiner. com/article/climate- manipulation-what-ar e-they-spraying-our- skies Geo-engineering re: 'Global warming/Climate change' lastlaugh.,.
  • Score: -17

12:03pm Tue 1 Oct 13

Rochford Rob says...

No such thing as Global Warming - it's all bluff and bluster made up to tax us.

The planet has been cooling for the past few years.

Don't you read anything?? (Rhetorical question there as I know that answer - a resounding 'No')

The only point you've made is the one in your tin foil hat.

Audioman wrote:

"He is just a plain NUTTER should be locked up"

Either you have more than one monnicker or the guy saw your post before you wrote it. .

Pip Pip !
No such thing as Global Warming - it's all bluff and bluster made up to tax us. The planet has been cooling for the past few years. Don't you read anything?? (Rhetorical question there as I know that answer - a resounding 'No') The only point you've made is the one in your tin foil hat. Audioman wrote: "He is just a plain NUTTER should be locked up" Either you have more than one monnicker or the guy saw your post before you wrote it. . Pip Pip ! Rochford Rob
  • Score: 3

2:43pm Fri 11 Oct 13

hotair101 says...

I'm Mr Muldoon.

Firstly, it's not myself that is saying the vapour trails are real it's the Department for Transport, whom are responsible for air quality. To try to clarify some points for those of you who have a genuine interest I'll quote directly from the reply Canvey town council received from the Department of Transport when an information request was sent in. FYI 'contrails' are naturally occurring trails that aircraft leave behind.
'If atmospheric conditions of temperature and humidity are favourable, the contrails can continue to spread forming persistent contrails that can last for several hours and become indistinguishable from naturally occurring cirrus clouds.' In other words the aircraft trails can last for hours, expand and create artificial cloud cover, exactly what we see over Canvey and the rest of the country.
The Department was also asked if they were aware of 'chemtrails' to which they replied, 'we are aware that other countries have on occasions used weather modification techniques, such as cloud seeding (spraying chemicals into the clouds) which causes precipitation by introducing substances into cumulus clouds that cause condensation.' In other words yes, they are aware of it and china for one is on record as boasting about it's chemtrail programme. The Department of Transport went on to say that 'in 1977 countries agreed the 'Convention of the Prohibition of MIlitary or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques (ENMOD). In other words these techniques can be used in war time to cause either drought or flooding and this treaty aims at preventing this.
The reply also said. 'There is now widely accepted scientific evidence that contrails can grow and persist in the sky to form larger clouds that become indistinguishable from natural cirrus clouds. The Committee on Climate Change report "Meeting the UK aviation target - options for reducing emissions to 2050" states that 'depending on meteorological conditions, the flight of aircraft can also cause formation of linear ice clouds (contrails) and can lead to further subsequent aviation induced cloudiness'. In other words aircraft trails can form artificial cloud cover that can block out natural sunlight just like regular clouds.
Finally the department states that 'The Department for Transport has a contract with Manchester Metropolitan University lead by Professor David Lee to provide evidence, technical modelling and scientific expertise covering areas of climate change and air quality in aviation. This includes the non CO2 climate effects of aviation to which contrails and contrail cirrus will likely have a major role.' The department further states that 'current scientific understanding is that contrails cause an additional warming of the atmosphere.' In other words they are aware of the problem to such an extent that they have put scientists onto it. Are you getting any of this?
So in dumbed down simplified terms contrails may last for hours, expand, form artificial cloud cover that effect the climate. Hope this helps the more ignorant of you. Remember, it's not me saying this its the government and scientists.
To the guy who said his sister lives under the flight path on Canvey and that the trails only last for four seconds. Some do last for a short time but many last for hours as the Department of Transport has confirmed. Your sister needs to look a little more often and she'll soon see I'm right. It won't take long asl this happens almost every day. If she is really interested I have numerous pictures and video I am happy to email to her anytime which demonstrate just how bad this phenomenon gets..
Clifford asks, 'why would they want to block sunlight from Canvey?' It's not intentional, Clifford, but rather a side effect. The worry is why are they forming at such low altitude and how much worse will it get when additional flights leave from Southend? You literally won't be able to see any blue sky on certain days.
Last Laugh, you need to be careful what you read on the net. There is a lot of conspiracy surrounding this subject including misinformation and disinformation. I spent a lot of time researching this and cross checking before I made my conclusions.
Lastly, to all, I did not send this story to the Echo, rather a reporter was at a council meeting when this issue came up and she wrote the original story without consulting anyone, certainly not myself, on this matter. If anyone has any serious questions I'd be happy to answer them if I can.

Regards.

Pat.
I'm Mr Muldoon. Firstly, it's not myself that is saying the vapour trails are real it's the Department for Transport, whom are responsible for air quality. To try to clarify some points for those of you who have a genuine interest I'll quote directly from the reply Canvey town council received from the Department of Transport when an information request was sent in. FYI 'contrails' are naturally occurring trails that aircraft leave behind. 'If atmospheric conditions of temperature and humidity are favourable, the contrails can continue to spread forming persistent contrails that can last for several hours and become indistinguishable from naturally occurring cirrus clouds.' In other words the aircraft trails can last for hours, expand and create artificial cloud cover, exactly what we see over Canvey and the rest of the country. The Department was also asked if they were aware of 'chemtrails' to which they replied, 'we are aware that other countries have on occasions used weather modification techniques, such as cloud seeding (spraying chemicals into the clouds) which causes precipitation by introducing substances into cumulus clouds that cause condensation.' In other words yes, they are aware of it and china for one is on record as boasting about it's chemtrail programme. The Department of Transport went on to say that 'in 1977 countries agreed the 'Convention of the Prohibition of MIlitary or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques (ENMOD). In other words these techniques can be used in war time to cause either drought or flooding and this treaty aims at preventing this. The reply also said. 'There is now widely accepted scientific evidence that contrails can grow and persist in the sky to form larger clouds that become indistinguishable from natural cirrus clouds. The Committee on Climate Change report "Meeting the UK aviation target - options for reducing emissions to 2050" states that 'depending on meteorological conditions, the flight of aircraft can also cause formation of linear ice clouds (contrails) and can lead to further subsequent aviation induced cloudiness'. In other words aircraft trails can form artificial cloud cover that can block out natural sunlight just like regular clouds. Finally the department states that 'The Department for Transport has a contract with Manchester Metropolitan University lead by Professor David Lee to provide evidence, technical modelling and scientific expertise covering areas of climate change and air quality in aviation. This includes the non CO2 climate effects of aviation to which contrails and contrail cirrus will likely have a major role.' The department further states that 'current scientific understanding is that contrails cause an additional warming of the atmosphere.' In other words they are aware of the problem to such an extent that they have put scientists onto it. Are you getting any of this? So in dumbed down simplified terms contrails may last for hours, expand, form artificial cloud cover that effect the climate. Hope this helps the more ignorant of you. Remember, it's not me saying this its the government and scientists. To the guy who said his sister lives under the flight path on Canvey and that the trails only last for four seconds. Some do last for a short time but many last for hours as the Department of Transport has confirmed. Your sister needs to look a little more often and she'll soon see I'm right. It won't take long asl this happens almost every day. If she is really interested I have numerous pictures and video I am happy to email to her anytime which demonstrate just how bad this phenomenon gets.. Clifford asks, 'why would they want to block sunlight from Canvey?' It's not intentional, Clifford, but rather a side effect. The worry is why are they forming at such low altitude and how much worse will it get when additional flights leave from Southend? You literally won't be able to see any blue sky on certain days. Last Laugh, you need to be careful what you read on the net. There is a lot of conspiracy surrounding this subject including misinformation and disinformation. I spent a lot of time researching this and cross checking before I made my conclusions. Lastly, to all, I did not send this story to the Echo, rather a reporter was at a council meeting when this issue came up and she wrote the original story without consulting anyone, certainly not myself, on this matter. If anyone has any serious questions I'd be happy to answer them if I can. Regards. Pat. hotair101
  • Score: 2

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