Menace of the boy racers: we name and shame cruisers in court

Crackdown – Sgt Simon Willsher, left, and Chief Insp Ben Hodder outside Basildon Magistrates’ Court

Crackdown – Sgt Simon Willsher, left, and Chief Insp Ben Hodder outside Basildon Magistrates’ Court

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A BOY racer was arrested just minutes after being disqualified from driving for taking part in dangerous cruises at Lakeside.

Charles Watts, 24, was one of 16 people dealt with by Basildon magistrates yesterday after a police crackdown which saw 80 drivers charged.

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They were caught at speeds of up to 80mph on a 40mph stretch of dual-carriageway near the shopping centre in Thurrock.

Magistrates gave Watts six penalty points for driving at 67mph, meaning he was automatically disqualified for nine months, as he already had six points on his licence for previous offences of speeding and using a mobile phone while driving.

Sgt Simon Willsher, who led the crackdown, said Watts was later arrested in Westgate, Basildon, on suspicion of driving while disqualified and without insurance.

He will return to court on October 17.

Watts, of Congreve Street, Walworth, south east London, had claimed in court he could not pay his £183 fine as he had just £1 on him.

Boy racer “cruises” take part around Lakeside most weekends, with up to 1,800 cars from as far away as Manchester turning up and hundreds of spectators lining the kerbs to watch.

Since police launched Operation Wagtail in April and May, numbers have dropped significantly, with officers making more progress in the last six months than in the past 15 years.

Sgt Willsher added: “It’s good so many boy racers have been brought to court because it means we can deal with the issue, but at the same time I wish we didn’t have any of them up at all because that would mean we don’t have a problem in the first place.

“We have this issue with cruising all over the county, but we are prioritising Lakeside because of the extra danger of all the pedestrians who line up to watch. In any other situation, many of these people would have been offered speed awareness courses, but we are concerned about how dangerous these drivers are, as much as their speed.”

How magistrates dealt with other cases THE other drivers dealt with in court yesterday were:

AARON LO, 28, of Falcon Way, Basildon, admitted driving his Ford Escort at 65mph but claimed he was not part of the boy racer cruise. The engineer at Ford Dunton was handed six penalty points and ordered to pay a £320 fine, £90 court costs and a £20 victim surcharge.

JOSEPH TIMOTHY, 19, of Gale Street, Dagenham, was given three points on his licence and ordered to paya£37 fine, £90 in costs and a £20 victim surcharge after pleading guilty to driving his Renault Clio at 48mph on the 40mph stretch of road.

ROBERT COSSINGTON, 23, of Central Avenue, Canvey, was handed three penalty points and ordered to paya£300 fine, £90 in court costs and a £20 victim surcharge after failing to enter a plea. Cameras used in Operation Wagtail spotted him driving his Ford Fiesta at 55mph.

JACK GIDDINGS, 21, of White Hart Lane, Romford, was handed four penalty points, a £400 fine, £90 in costs and a £40 victim surcharge in his absence. Cameras used in Operation Wagtail spotted him driving his Ford Fiesta at 58mph.

PAUL MENDES DE MOURA, 21, of Hagden Lane, Watford, drove his Volkswagen Scirocco at 68mph. He was given six points on his licence and ordered to pay a £400 fine, £90 in costs and a £40 victim surcharge.

STEPHEN MARTINEZ, 27, of Blithbury Road, Dagenham, admitted driving his BMW 3 Series at 47mph. He was handed three penalty points, a £133 fine and ordered to pay £90 in court costs and a £20 victim surcharge.

NOEL ARCHER, 36, of Leighton Road, Benfleet, pleaded guilty to driving his Renault Clio at 58mph, but claimed he was not a boy racer. He was given six points on his licence and ordered to paya£73 fine, £90 in costs and a £20 victim surcharge.

ANGEL ELIANOW, 21, of Meachen Road, Colchester, was spotted driving his MG at 53mph.

He was handed three penalty points, a £200 fine and ordered to pay £90 in costs and a £20 victim surcharge in his absence.

JOSH DOYLE, 19, of Links Road, Deal, Kent, denies driving his Seat Leon at 57mph. He will return to Basildon Magistrates’ Courts on October 14.

EDWARD PEARSON, 20, of Marlborough Close, Upminster, admitted driving his Ford Puma at 57mph during the boy racer cruise. He was given five points on his licence and ordered to pay a £172 fine, £90 in court costs and a £20 victim surcharge.

STEVEN SMITH, 24, of Fairfield Road, Leigh, pleaded guilty to driving his Vauxhall Astra at 60mph.

He was handed six penalty points, a £327 fine and ordered to pay £90 in costs and a £33 victim surcharge.

KASHWINDER SOOR, 22, of South End, Milton Keynes, was spotted driving his BMW 3 Series at 61mph.

He was given six points on his licence, a £400 fine and ordered to pay £90 in costs and a £40 victim surcharge after failing to enter a plea.

CHRISTOPHER WYSS, 24, of Dene Path, South Ockendon, was handed three penalty points, a £200 fine and ordered to pay £90 in costs and a £20 victim surcharge for driving his Honda at 47mph.

JOSHUA BARKER, 22, of Brampton Field, Aylesford, Kent, pleaded guilty to driving his Nissan at 58mph, but claimed he was not a boy racer. The delivery driver was handed five penalty points and ordered to paya£140 fine, £90 in court costs and a £20 victim surcharge.

PAUL GIBBS, 42, of Purfleet Road, South Ockendon, admitted driving his VW Golf at 55mph, but claimed he was not part of the cruising event.

He was given three points on his licence and ordered to pay a £113 fine, £90 in costs and a £20 victim surcharge

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7:12am Wed 2 Oct 13

supermadmax says...

Give him 12 months +, we need to come down hard on the huge killer that is driving offensives.
Give him 12 months +, we need to come down hard on the huge killer that is driving offensives. supermadmax
  • Score: 11

7:46am Wed 2 Oct 13

the citizen says...

If they own the cars..treat them as uninsured (which they should be in committing offences), take the cars and crush them. The drivers may soon think twice.
If they own the cars..treat them as uninsured (which they should be in committing offences), take the cars and crush them. The drivers may soon think twice. the citizen
  • Score: 17

9:10am Wed 2 Oct 13

Antoine005 says...

How thick do you have to be to get disqualified, and then go straight from the court and get nicked for driving? Seriously, it's a wonder idiots like this are ever able to pass their driving tests in the first place. And, to the person commenting that they were only "having fun": let's see how much "fun" you think it is if one of your friends or family were knocked down and killed or seriously injured by one of these selfish fools.
How thick do you have to be to get disqualified, and then go straight from the court and get nicked for driving? Seriously, it's a wonder idiots like this are ever able to pass their driving tests in the first place. And, to the person commenting that they were only "having fun": let's see how much "fun" you think it is if one of your friends or family were knocked down and killed or seriously injured by one of these selfish fools. Antoine005
  • Score: 25

9:29am Wed 2 Oct 13

Vange Resident says...

Advertising there names doesn’t shame them, I bet we will get them telling there mates to have a look! If you are double the speed limit 5 year ban, anything over up to double should be a straight 3 year ban and a hefty fine in both cases that will teach them!
Advertising there names doesn’t shame them, I bet we will get them telling there mates to have a look! If you are double the speed limit 5 year ban, anything over up to double should be a straight 3 year ban and a hefty fine in both cases that will teach them! Vange Resident
  • Score: 3

10:05am Wed 2 Oct 13

Ineverknewthat says...

Most of those morons, who have had 6 points, added to their licences, will be lucky to be driving Noddy cars, by next year....their insurance premiums will shoot up, as as we all know DVLA will inform their insurance companies, of their bad driving behaviour, Lol Lol Lol
Most of those morons, who have had 6 points, added to their licences, will be lucky to be driving Noddy cars, by next year....their insurance premiums will shoot up, as as we all know DVLA will inform their insurance companies, of their bad driving behaviour, Lol Lol Lol Ineverknewthat
  • Score: 3

12:01pm Wed 2 Oct 13

emcee says...

Would be interesting to know what formula the court used to decide how much these drivers must pay in fines and how many points to issue as they all seem to be random, regardless of the speed the were doing.
Would be interesting to know what formula the court used to decide how much these drivers must pay in fines and how many points to issue as they all seem to be random, regardless of the speed the were doing. emcee
  • Score: 11

12:24pm Wed 2 Oct 13

uncle_jarvis says...

There is actually some constructive discussion to be had on this issue and the generalisations people make about ‘boy racers’ all being law breaking yobs rather than some who are simply car enthusiasts. There’s also a huge amount of hypocrisy from many who judge these ‘dangerous drivers’ who have probably driven over the speed limit on those very same roads on a Saturday afternoon when taking the kids to Lakeside.

Of course, reckless drivers should be treated with strict punishment, but this attitude the media forces upon us of anyone in a customised car being a yob is just wrong.

It doesn’t help when their only spokesman on here is ‘Crazy boy racer’.
There is actually some constructive discussion to be had on this issue and the generalisations people make about ‘boy racers’ all being law breaking yobs rather than some who are simply car enthusiasts. There’s also a huge amount of hypocrisy from many who judge these ‘dangerous drivers’ who have probably driven over the speed limit on those very same roads on a Saturday afternoon when taking the kids to Lakeside. Of course, reckless drivers should be treated with strict punishment, but this attitude the media forces upon us of anyone in a customised car being a yob is just wrong. It doesn’t help when their only spokesman on here is ‘Crazy boy racer’. uncle_jarvis
  • Score: 15

2:05pm Wed 2 Oct 13

b.c2456 says...

The generalisations are very annoying. I go to near enough every car meet in Essex. I own a modified car and yes it is fast! However I do not break the speed limit. I go to show other car enthusiasts my car, the hard work and amount of money I have put into it. My car is taxed, tested and fully insured.

The majority of the people at these meets are just there to look at other peoples cars. It gives us a chance to make new friends with cars we see driving around in the day and there are usually shops/restaurants nearby which must generate so much profit when a meet is on. Yes, the minority do sometimes spoil it and the Echo does a wonderful job at picking up on this and branding everyone as “Yobs” however the Echo NEVER portrays the other side of it. Maybe a report on a car meet from the car enthusiast’s side would be good?

Some people at these meets do speed and drive dangerously and should 100% be pulled, however people speed every day including the police, although this is no excuse.

With reference to Vange Resident's comment "anything over up to double should be a straight 3 year ban and a hefty fine." This is a little extreme.... a 3 year ban you think?!

People who drive dangerously or speed should be dealt with accordingly whether they are at a car meet, popping to the shops or on the school run. There is plenty of dangerous driving I see everyday.

People are out to have a good evening, middle aged parents come along with their children. There is a monthly meet in Rayleigh the police attend which is great. They are friendly, they talk to you, talk about your cars and it is a good evening with them there. I know people’s opinions will not change on car enthusiasts, but people need to lighten up a bit and understand cars are a hobby for some people.
The generalisations are very annoying. I go to near enough every car meet in Essex. I own a modified car and yes it is fast! However I do not break the speed limit. I go to show other car enthusiasts my car, the hard work and amount of money I have put into it. My car is taxed, tested and fully insured. The majority of the people at these meets are just there to look at other peoples cars. It gives us a chance to make new friends with cars we see driving around in the day and there are usually shops/restaurants nearby which must generate so much profit when a meet is on. Yes, the minority do sometimes spoil it and the Echo does a wonderful job at picking up on this and branding everyone as “Yobs” however the Echo NEVER portrays the other side of it. Maybe a report on a car meet from the car enthusiast’s side would be good? Some people at these meets do speed and drive dangerously and should 100% be pulled, however people speed every day including the police, although this is no excuse. With reference to Vange Resident's comment "anything over up to double should be a straight 3 year ban and a hefty fine." This is a little extreme.... a 3 year ban you think?! People who drive dangerously or speed should be dealt with accordingly whether they are at a car meet, popping to the shops or on the school run. There is plenty of dangerous driving I see everyday. People are out to have a good evening, middle aged parents come along with their children. There is a monthly meet in Rayleigh the police attend which is great. They are friendly, they talk to you, talk about your cars and it is a good evening with them there. I know people’s opinions will not change on car enthusiasts, but people need to lighten up a bit and understand cars are a hobby for some people. b.c2456
  • Score: 20

3:51pm Wed 2 Oct 13

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Noel Archer 36.......Ha ha, he should have been at home reading to the kids or painting the spare room, instead he was racing around in his little clio.
Noel Archer 36.......Ha ha, he should have been at home reading to the kids or painting the spare room, instead he was racing around in his little clio. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 3

5:27pm Wed 2 Oct 13

Blackblood says...

It's time all cars were fitted with black boxes to constantly record speed, accelleration, braking force etc. and the results automatically uploaded to insurance companies and the police each week. The roads would be clear of dangerous drivers in months.
It's time all cars were fitted with black boxes to constantly record speed, accelleration, braking force etc. and the results automatically uploaded to insurance companies and the police each week. The roads would be clear of dangerous drivers in months. Blackblood
  • Score: -6

6:08pm Wed 2 Oct 13

Keptquiettillnow says...

Why do some of these people even get the chance of a speed awareness course?
The sooner they are priced off the road the better for all.
Why do some of these people even get the chance of a speed awareness course? The sooner they are priced off the road the better for all. Keptquiettillnow
  • Score: 0

7:08pm Wed 2 Oct 13

st_skittles says...

b.c2456 wrote:
The generalisations are very annoying. I go to near enough every car meet in Essex. I own a modified car and yes it is fast! However I do not break the speed limit. I go to show other car enthusiasts my car, the hard work and amount of money I have put into it. My car is taxed, tested and fully insured.

The majority of the people at these meets are just there to look at other peoples cars. It gives us a chance to make new friends with cars we see driving around in the day and there are usually shops/restaurants nearby which must generate so much profit when a meet is on. Yes, the minority do sometimes spoil it and the Echo does a wonderful job at picking up on this and branding everyone as “Yobs” however the Echo NEVER portrays the other side of it. Maybe a report on a car meet from the car enthusiast’s side would be good?

Some people at these meets do speed and drive dangerously and should 100% be pulled, however people speed every day including the police, although this is no excuse.

With reference to Vange Resident's comment "anything over up to double should be a straight 3 year ban and a hefty fine." This is a little extreme.... a 3 year ban you think?!

People who drive dangerously or speed should be dealt with accordingly whether they are at a car meet, popping to the shops or on the school run. There is plenty of dangerous driving I see everyday.

People are out to have a good evening, middle aged parents come along with their children. There is a monthly meet in Rayleigh the police attend which is great. They are friendly, they talk to you, talk about your cars and it is a good evening with them there. I know people’s opinions will not change on car enthusiasts, but people need to lighten up a bit and understand cars are a hobby for some people.
I go to that monthly meet in Rayleigh as well its good :)
[quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: The generalisations are very annoying. I go to near enough every car meet in Essex. I own a modified car and yes it is fast! However I do not break the speed limit. I go to show other car enthusiasts my car, the hard work and amount of money I have put into it. My car is taxed, tested and fully insured. The majority of the people at these meets are just there to look at other peoples cars. It gives us a chance to make new friends with cars we see driving around in the day and there are usually shops/restaurants nearby which must generate so much profit when a meet is on. Yes, the minority do sometimes spoil it and the Echo does a wonderful job at picking up on this and branding everyone as “Yobs” however the Echo NEVER portrays the other side of it. Maybe a report on a car meet from the car enthusiast’s side would be good? Some people at these meets do speed and drive dangerously and should 100% be pulled, however people speed every day including the police, although this is no excuse. With reference to Vange Resident's comment "anything over up to double should be a straight 3 year ban and a hefty fine." This is a little extreme.... a 3 year ban you think?! People who drive dangerously or speed should be dealt with accordingly whether they are at a car meet, popping to the shops or on the school run. There is plenty of dangerous driving I see everyday. People are out to have a good evening, middle aged parents come along with their children. There is a monthly meet in Rayleigh the police attend which is great. They are friendly, they talk to you, talk about your cars and it is a good evening with them there. I know people’s opinions will not change on car enthusiasts, but people need to lighten up a bit and understand cars are a hobby for some people.[/p][/quote]I go to that monthly meet in Rayleigh as well its good :) st_skittles
  • Score: 1

7:12pm Wed 2 Oct 13

st_skittles says...

b.c2456 wrote:
The generalisations are very annoying. I go to near enough every car meet in Essex. I own a modified car and yes it is fast! However I do not break the speed limit. I go to show other car enthusiasts my car, the hard work and amount of money I have put into it. My car is taxed, tested and fully insured.

The majority of the people at these meets are just there to look at other peoples cars. It gives us a chance to make new friends with cars we see driving around in the day and there are usually shops/restaurants nearby which must generate so much profit when a meet is on. Yes, the minority do sometimes spoil it and the Echo does a wonderful job at picking up on this and branding everyone as “Yobs” however the Echo NEVER portrays the other side of it. Maybe a report on a car meet from the car enthusiast’s side would be good?

Some people at these meets do speed and drive dangerously and should 100% be pulled, however people speed every day including the police, although this is no excuse.

With reference to Vange Resident's comment "anything over up to double should be a straight 3 year ban and a hefty fine." This is a little extreme.... a 3 year ban you think?!

People who drive dangerously or speed should be dealt with accordingly whether they are at a car meet, popping to the shops or on the school run. There is plenty of dangerous driving I see everyday.

People are out to have a good evening, middle aged parents come along with their children. There is a monthly meet in Rayleigh the police attend which is great. They are friendly, they talk to you, talk about your cars and it is a good evening with them there. I know people’s opinions will not change on car enthusiasts, but people need to lighten up a bit and understand cars are a hobby for some people.
I go to that monthly meet in Rayleigh and think its quite good :)
[quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: The generalisations are very annoying. I go to near enough every car meet in Essex. I own a modified car and yes it is fast! However I do not break the speed limit. I go to show other car enthusiasts my car, the hard work and amount of money I have put into it. My car is taxed, tested and fully insured. The majority of the people at these meets are just there to look at other peoples cars. It gives us a chance to make new friends with cars we see driving around in the day and there are usually shops/restaurants nearby which must generate so much profit when a meet is on. Yes, the minority do sometimes spoil it and the Echo does a wonderful job at picking up on this and branding everyone as “Yobs” however the Echo NEVER portrays the other side of it. Maybe a report on a car meet from the car enthusiast’s side would be good? Some people at these meets do speed and drive dangerously and should 100% be pulled, however people speed every day including the police, although this is no excuse. With reference to Vange Resident's comment "anything over up to double should be a straight 3 year ban and a hefty fine." This is a little extreme.... a 3 year ban you think?! People who drive dangerously or speed should be dealt with accordingly whether they are at a car meet, popping to the shops or on the school run. There is plenty of dangerous driving I see everyday. People are out to have a good evening, middle aged parents come along with their children. There is a monthly meet in Rayleigh the police attend which is great. They are friendly, they talk to you, talk about your cars and it is a good evening with them there. I know people’s opinions will not change on car enthusiasts, but people need to lighten up a bit and understand cars are a hobby for some people.[/p][/quote]I go to that monthly meet in Rayleigh and think its quite good :) st_skittles
  • Score: -2

7:45pm Wed 2 Oct 13

FFYR-ECS says...

We are not all the same though, sure we have a few divs that turn up to a meet, the same as you will always get a prat turn up at a pub off his rocker... its people like that, give us all a bad name. Ive got a modded car its all legal and insured mot the lot, i go to the cruises park up, admire other peoples hard work and commitment, when the cruise is over i go home. There was a cruise up Beckton a few weeks ago we raised money for charity, (the decent car enthusists NOT racers ... enthusists) we got no recognition, we got tarnished with the same brush because a few **** turnt up that "heard about the cruise" we cannot control that, we try so hard working with police to pick a place that we won't bother people. The police and council changed that location from lakeside to beckton, back to lakeside then back to beckton, we worked alongside them and raised money that night and guess what the papers wrote "boy racers scared away from lakeside" that was'nt what happened. I in no way condone the dick head unsafe drivers that ruin it for the rest of us.... all i ask is that you do not tarnish all of us with the same brush x and I have not come on here to be abused or give abuse just to speak up in a mature and calm manor that others sometimes cannot do x
We are not all the same though, sure we have a few divs that turn up to a meet, the same as you will always get a prat turn up at a pub off his rocker... its people like that, give us all a bad name. Ive got a modded car its all legal and insured mot the lot, i go to the cruises park up, admire other peoples hard work and commitment, when the cruise is over i go home. There was a cruise up Beckton a few weeks ago we raised money for charity, (the decent car enthusists NOT racers ... enthusists) we got no recognition, we got tarnished with the same brush because a few **** turnt up that "heard about the cruise" we cannot control that, we try so hard working with police to pick a place that we won't bother people. The police and council changed that location from lakeside to beckton, back to lakeside then back to beckton, we worked alongside them and raised money that night and guess what the papers wrote "boy racers scared away from lakeside" that was'nt what happened. I in no way condone the dick head unsafe drivers that ruin it for the rest of us.... all i ask is that you do not tarnish all of us with the same brush x and I have not come on here to be abused or give abuse just to speak up in a mature and calm manor that others sometimes cannot do x FFYR-ECS
  • Score: 7

10:32pm Wed 2 Oct 13

Nebs says...

1800 cars turned up. 80 were charged.
I'd guess you could get a similar strike rate from 1800 random cars on any A or B road on a Friday or Saturday night.
1800 cars turned up. 80 were charged. I'd guess you could get a similar strike rate from 1800 random cars on any A or B road on a Friday or Saturday night. Nebs
  • Score: 6

9:21am Thu 3 Oct 13

MissPeachie says...

b.c2456 wrote:
The generalisations are very annoying. I go to near enough every car meet in Essex. I own a modified car and yes it is fast! However I do not break the speed limit. I go to show other car enthusiasts my car, the hard work and amount of money I have put into it. My car is taxed, tested and fully insured.

The majority of the people at these meets are just there to look at other peoples cars. It gives us a chance to make new friends with cars we see driving around in the day and there are usually shops/restaurants nearby which must generate so much profit when a meet is on. Yes, the minority do sometimes spoil it and the Echo does a wonderful job at picking up on this and branding everyone as “Yobs” however the Echo NEVER portrays the other side of it. Maybe a report on a car meet from the car enthusiast’s side would be good?

Some people at these meets do speed and drive dangerously and should 100% be pulled, however people speed every day including the police, although this is no excuse.

With reference to Vange Resident's comment "anything over up to double should be a straight 3 year ban and a hefty fine." This is a little extreme.... a 3 year ban you think?!

People who drive dangerously or speed should be dealt with accordingly whether they are at a car meet, popping to the shops or on the school run. There is plenty of dangerous driving I see everyday.

People are out to have a good evening, middle aged parents come along with their children. There is a monthly meet in Rayleigh the police attend which is great. They are friendly, they talk to you, talk about your cars and it is a good evening with them there. I know people’s opinions will not change on car enthusiasts, but people need to lighten up a bit and understand cars are a hobby for some people.
I totally agree. I go to most car meets in Essex as well. The majority of people behave themselves.
[quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: The generalisations are very annoying. I go to near enough every car meet in Essex. I own a modified car and yes it is fast! However I do not break the speed limit. I go to show other car enthusiasts my car, the hard work and amount of money I have put into it. My car is taxed, tested and fully insured. The majority of the people at these meets are just there to look at other peoples cars. It gives us a chance to make new friends with cars we see driving around in the day and there are usually shops/restaurants nearby which must generate so much profit when a meet is on. Yes, the minority do sometimes spoil it and the Echo does a wonderful job at picking up on this and branding everyone as “Yobs” however the Echo NEVER portrays the other side of it. Maybe a report on a car meet from the car enthusiast’s side would be good? Some people at these meets do speed and drive dangerously and should 100% be pulled, however people speed every day including the police, although this is no excuse. With reference to Vange Resident's comment "anything over up to double should be a straight 3 year ban and a hefty fine." This is a little extreme.... a 3 year ban you think?! People who drive dangerously or speed should be dealt with accordingly whether they are at a car meet, popping to the shops or on the school run. There is plenty of dangerous driving I see everyday. People are out to have a good evening, middle aged parents come along with their children. There is a monthly meet in Rayleigh the police attend which is great. They are friendly, they talk to you, talk about your cars and it is a good evening with them there. I know people’s opinions will not change on car enthusiasts, but people need to lighten up a bit and understand cars are a hobby for some people.[/p][/quote]I totally agree. I go to most car meets in Essex as well. The majority of people behave themselves. MissPeachie
  • Score: -3

9:24am Thu 3 Oct 13

MissPeachie says...

FFYR-ECS wrote:
Self Rightous Be Thankful wrote:
FFYR-ECS wrote:
We are not all the same though, sure we have a few divs that turn up to a meet, the same as you will always get a prat turn up at a pub off his rocker... its people like that, give us all a bad name. Ive got a modded car its all legal and insured mot the lot, i go to the cruises park up, admire other peoples hard work and commitment, when the cruise is over i go home. There was a cruise up Beckton a few weeks ago we raised money for charity, (the decent car enthusists NOT racers ... enthusists) we got no recognition, we got tarnished with the same brush because a few **** turnt up that "heard about the cruise" we cannot control that, we try so hard working with police to pick a place that we won't bother people. The police and council changed that location from lakeside to beckton, back to lakeside then back to beckton, we worked alongside them and raised money that night and guess what the papers wrote "boy racers scared away from lakeside" that was'nt what happened. I in no way condone the dick head unsafe drivers that ruin it for the rest of us.... all i ask is that you do not tarnish all of us with the same brush x and I have not come on here to be abused or give abuse just to speak up in a mature and calm manor that others sometimes cannot do x
Spoken like a true boy racer, will you be happier, when some one is killed, by your juvenilistic attitude to road safety.
No see that's where your wrong I'am NOT a boy racer... For starters I'm Female.... I am a car enth so your saying f1 racers are boy racers? Don't do like the rest of the nation and label someone because it's easy it's judgemental and wrong
I back you up FFYR-ECS. Im a female too and go to these meets. My car is insured and 100% legal. No one actually realises that most of us are law abiding. You do get the complete idiots that screw it up for the rest of us and its frustrating. Those who brand us all as boy racers are mostly those who are boring and sit at home on their bums without a life.
[quote][p][bold]FFYR-ECS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Self Rightous Be Thankful[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FFYR-ECS[/bold] wrote: We are not all the same though, sure we have a few divs that turn up to a meet, the same as you will always get a prat turn up at a pub off his rocker... its people like that, give us all a bad name. Ive got a modded car its all legal and insured mot the lot, i go to the cruises park up, admire other peoples hard work and commitment, when the cruise is over i go home. There was a cruise up Beckton a few weeks ago we raised money for charity, (the decent car enthusists NOT racers ... enthusists) we got no recognition, we got tarnished with the same brush because a few **** turnt up that "heard about the cruise" we cannot control that, we try so hard working with police to pick a place that we won't bother people. The police and council changed that location from lakeside to beckton, back to lakeside then back to beckton, we worked alongside them and raised money that night and guess what the papers wrote "boy racers scared away from lakeside" that was'nt what happened. I in no way condone the dick head unsafe drivers that ruin it for the rest of us.... all i ask is that you do not tarnish all of us with the same brush x and I have not come on here to be abused or give abuse just to speak up in a mature and calm manor that others sometimes cannot do x[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true boy racer, will you be happier, when some one is killed, by your juvenilistic attitude to road safety.[/p][/quote]No see that's where your wrong I'am NOT a boy racer... For starters I'm Female.... I am a car enth so your saying f1 racers are boy racers? Don't do like the rest of the nation and label someone because it's easy it's judgemental and wrong[/p][/quote]I back you up FFYR-ECS. Im a female too and go to these meets. My car is insured and 100% legal. No one actually realises that most of us are law abiding. You do get the complete idiots that screw it up for the rest of us and its frustrating. Those who brand us all as boy racers are mostly those who are boring and sit at home on their bums without a life. MissPeachie
  • Score: 2

9:33am Thu 3 Oct 13

Rouge9 says...

Blackblood wrote:
It's time all cars were fitted with black boxes to constantly record speed, accelleration, braking force etc. and the results automatically uploaded to insurance companies and the police each week. The roads would be clear of dangerous drivers in months.
Thank you Big Brother!
[quote][p][bold]Blackblood[/bold] wrote: It's time all cars were fitted with black boxes to constantly record speed, accelleration, braking force etc. and the results automatically uploaded to insurance companies and the police each week. The roads would be clear of dangerous drivers in months.[/p][/quote]Thank you Big Brother! Rouge9
  • Score: -3

10:49am Thu 3 Oct 13

keith_l says...

To those who say that their modded cars are "fully insured", this is only the case if ALL mods (including styling, window tinitng and ICE) are declared to the insurance company even if they don't affect performance and handling. The car will still show up on ASKMID adn ANPR as insured, but if you are involved in an accident then the insurance company may not pay out, and if the police check the car over you can be done for no insurance.

I know that some modded car enthusiasts do comply, but also that a lot don't due to the fact that it ramps up the insurance permium whatever the mod.
To those who say that their modded cars are "fully insured", this is only the case if ALL mods (including styling, window tinitng and ICE) are declared to the insurance company even if they don't affect performance and handling. The car will still show up on ASKMID adn ANPR as insured, but if you are involved in an accident then the insurance company may not pay out, and if the police check the car over you can be done for no insurance. I know that some modded car enthusiasts do comply, but also that a lot don't due to the fact that it ramps up the insurance permium whatever the mod. keith_l
  • Score: 1

12:10pm Thu 3 Oct 13

Rouge9 says...

keith_l wrote:
To those who say that their modded cars are "fully insuredyou are half right. an insurance company can refute Any claim, even on a car you may view as non moddified.

Example, you need new brake pads and shoes for your repmobile Ford Mondeo, but, the mechanic doesn't have the spec items, so fits you with some that fit, and have a better performance. Not long after, you are involved in a non fault incident. Insurance assessor looks at the car and states that your brakes have been upgraded and are no longer factory spec. Claim refused.

Ever changed your radio? oh dear, non declared modification.
Put a roof rack on your car? and then a luggage box? that's a moddification too.

Any car can be "modded" in the eyes of an Insurance company. Any claim can be refused because of said alteration beyond the condition the car left the factory

As for those who see modded cars and think hooligans/speed junkie and the like, have probably never been to a car meet, where people are willing to show off their hard work, their pride and joy. These folk won;t be the dipsticks as the car has a lot of money invested in it, and said person won't want to lose that.
While I agree there are idiots amongst us, they are but the minority. If you want to drive like a loon, fine, but expect your car to be crushed when you're caught.
[quote][p][bold]keith_l[/bold] wrote: To those who say that their modded cars are "fully insuredyou are half right. an insurance company can refute Any claim, even on a car you may view as non moddified. Example, you need new brake pads and shoes for your repmobile Ford Mondeo, but, the mechanic doesn't have the spec items, so fits you with some that fit, and have a better performance. Not long after, you are involved in a non fault incident. Insurance assessor looks at the car and states that your brakes have been upgraded and are no longer factory spec. Claim refused. Ever changed your radio? oh dear, non declared modification. Put a roof rack on your car? and then a luggage box? that's a moddification too. Any car can be "modded" in the eyes of an Insurance company. Any claim can be refused because of said alteration beyond the condition the car left the factory As for those who see modded cars and think hooligans/speed junkie and the like, have probably never been to a car meet, where people are willing to show off their hard work, their pride and joy. These folk won;t be the dipsticks as the car has a lot of money invested in it, and said person won't want to lose that. While I agree there are idiots amongst us, they are but the minority. If you want to drive like a loon, fine, but expect your car to be crushed when you're caught. Rouge9
  • Score: 3

12:37pm Thu 3 Oct 13

Rouge9 says...

Self Rightous Be Thankful wrote:
MissPeachie wrote: b.c2456 wrote: Self Rightous Be Thankful wrote: MissPeachie wrote: b.c2456 wrote: The generalisations are very annoying. I go to near enough every car meet in Essex. I own a modified car and yes it is fast! However I do not break the speed limit. I go to show other car enthusiasts my car, the hard work and amount of money I have put into it. My car is taxed, tested and fully insured. The majority of the people at these meets are just there to look at other peoples cars. It gives us a chance to make new friends with cars we see driving around in the day and there are usually shops/restaurants nearby which must generate so much profit when a meet is on. Yes, the minority do sometimes spoil it and the Echo does a wonderful job at picking up on this and branding everyone as “Yobs” however the Echo NEVER portrays the other side of it. Maybe a report on a car meet from the car enthusiast’s side would be good? Some people at these meets do speed and drive dangerously and should 100% be pulled, however people speed every day including the police, although this is no excuse. With reference to Vange Resident's comment "anything over up to double should be a straight 3 year ban and a hefty fine.When did Thought-Crime apear on the statute books?
[quote][p][bold]Self Rightous Be Thankful[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MissPeachie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Self Rightous Be Thankful[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MissPeachie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: The generalisations are very annoying. I go to near enough every car meet in Essex. I own a modified car and yes it is fast! However I do not break the speed limit. I go to show other car enthusiasts my car, the hard work and amount of money I have put into it. My car is taxed, tested and fully insured. The majority of the people at these meets are just there to look at other peoples cars. It gives us a chance to make new friends with cars we see driving around in the day and there are usually shops/restaurants nearby which must generate so much profit when a meet is on. Yes, the minority do sometimes spoil it and the Echo does a wonderful job at picking up on this and branding everyone as “Yobs” however the Echo NEVER portrays the other side of it. Maybe a report on a car meet from the car enthusiast’s side would be good? Some people at these meets do speed and drive dangerously and should 100% be pulled, however people speed every day including the police, although this is no excuse. With reference to Vange Resident's comment "anything over up to double should be a straight 3 year ban and a hefty fine.When did Thought-Crime apear on the statute books? Rouge9
  • Score: 3

5:01pm Thu 3 Oct 13

Emilouwhu says...

Would like to say on behalf of all teenage drivers that by the heading of "boy racers" gives of a impression that the people involved are teenagers however in actual fact they are men. I attended most Essex cruises and lakeside static cruise are no trouble .
Would like to say on behalf of all teenage drivers that by the heading of "boy racers" gives of a impression that the people involved are teenagers however in actual fact they are men. I attended most Essex cruises and lakeside static cruise are no trouble . Emilouwhu
  • Score: 0

7:24am Fri 4 Oct 13

b.c2456 says...

Just wanted to let you all know that the meet in Rayleigh last night went well. 3 police officers were there chatting with us and a burger van. No one messed around... just parked up and looked at each others cars.

Was great to see all the people commenting on here there...............
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Just wanted to let you all know that the meet in Rayleigh last night went well. 3 police officers were there chatting with us and a burger van. No one messed around... just parked up and looked at each others cars. Was great to see all the people commenting on here there............... .................... .................... .. b.c2456
  • Score: 4

7:04pm Sun 6 Oct 13

Steve H says...

Emilouwhu wrote:
Would like to say on behalf of all teenage drivers that by the heading of "boy racers" gives of a impression that the people involved are teenagers however in actual fact they are men. I attended most Essex cruises and lakeside static cruise are no trouble .
I remember the Lakeside Cruise from circa 1991, a static cruise where people got together to look at cars.

Those that attend today give cruisers a bad name, why do you have to drive like idiots? Don't say you don't because it's obvious that you do.

If you want to drive, attend a track day or hire out an airfield, don't put innocent road users at risk.
[quote][p][bold]Emilouwhu[/bold] wrote: Would like to say on behalf of all teenage drivers that by the heading of "boy racers" gives of a impression that the people involved are teenagers however in actual fact they are men. I attended most Essex cruises and lakeside static cruise are no trouble .[/p][/quote]I remember the Lakeside Cruise from circa 1991, a static cruise where people got together to look at cars. Those that attend today give cruisers a bad name, why do you have to drive like idiots? Don't say you don't because it's obvious that you do. If you want to drive, attend a track day or hire out an airfield, don't put innocent road users at risk. Steve H
  • Score: 2

12:37pm Mon 7 Oct 13

Emilouwhu says...

Not everyone that goes to a cruise drives like an idiot? Until you've attended a recent car meet and seen it for yourself.... I don't think these any need to comment..... To many judgemental people.
Not everyone that goes to a cruise drives like an idiot? Until you've attended a recent car meet and seen it for yourself.... I don't think these any need to comment..... To many judgemental people. Emilouwhu
  • Score: 2

1:18pm Mon 7 Oct 13

b.c2456 says...

Emilouwhu wrote:
Not everyone that goes to a cruise drives like an idiot? Until you've attended a recent car meet and seen it for yourself.... I don't think these any need to comment..... To many judgemental people.
Well said! Would be good if they came to one.
[quote][p][bold]Emilouwhu[/bold] wrote: Not everyone that goes to a cruise drives like an idiot? Until you've attended a recent car meet and seen it for yourself.... I don't think these any need to comment..... To many judgemental people.[/p][/quote]Well said! Would be good if they came to one. b.c2456
  • Score: 2

1:23pm Mon 7 Oct 13

Emilouwhu says...

I attend most cruises and would rather spend my Saturday nights looking at cars than hitting every drug possible and getting so drunk I carnt even remember where I live...
I attend most cruises and would rather spend my Saturday nights looking at cars than hitting every drug possible and getting so drunk I carnt even remember where I live... Emilouwhu
  • Score: 2

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