Southend Council deputy leader John Lamb says parents moving into areas to take up school places

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SOUTHEND Council’s deputy leader has accused some parents of getting their children into schools by moving into an area and then moving out again once a place is secured.

John Lamb, a ward councillor in West Leigh, said during a cabinet meeting this week that admissions policies which allow siblings to follow their brother or sister into a school are allowing spaces to be taken up by students in many cases who are no longer local.

He said: “People who move into the area to get a child into a school, and then move away means their sibling can go to the school because their older sibling is already there.

That is something which needs to be looked at.

“In West Leigh a number of people move into the area to get a school place, then move out.”

Southend Council is reviewing its future primary school provision, and cabinet gave the green light to expanding six schools at the meeting.

Councillor responsible for education, James Courtenay, said he did not know if the practice of parents moving into an area was having a particularly large impact, but he said a committee looking at future school places would consider the issue.

Council leader Nigel Holdcroft, also a West Leigh councillor, said the area was a particular problem because it is furthest away from Southend itself.

“If there was one council in south east Essex made up of Southend, Rochford and Castle Point, as there should be in my view, then there would be one education authority as well and students in West Leigh could go to their next nearest school in Hadleigh,” he said.

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10:12am Fri 10 Jan 14

Jack222 says...

Probably true - and not really cheating. Just a very close reading of the regulations. Alter the regulations...
Probably true - and not really cheating. Just a very close reading of the regulations. Alter the regulations... Jack222
  • Score: 20

10:30am Fri 10 Jan 14

Discouraged says...

If there weren't so many cra**y schools then parents wouldn't have to lie, cheat and move just to get a good education for their children. Mr Lamb should do something about the schools the parents are trying to avoid.
If there weren't so many cra**y schools then parents wouldn't have to lie, cheat and move just to get a good education for their children. Mr Lamb should do something about the schools the parents are trying to avoid. Discouraged
  • Score: 38

10:31am Fri 10 Jan 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Discouraged wrote:
If there weren't so many cra**y schools then parents wouldn't have to lie, cheat and move just to get a good education for their children. Mr Lamb should do something about the schools the parents are trying to avoid.
They should be offered one place, if they don't accept the location, fine them
[quote][p][bold]Discouraged[/bold] wrote: If there weren't so many cra**y schools then parents wouldn't have to lie, cheat and move just to get a good education for their children. Mr Lamb should do something about the schools the parents are trying to avoid.[/p][/quote]They should be offered one place, if they don't accept the location, fine them Nowthatsworthknowing
  • Score: -34

1:11pm Fri 10 Jan 14

rayleigh123 says...

Am i right - but Southend is actually not in Essex, they chose to become an unitarian authority.

Also from all of the comments on this forum the last thing we want in Rochford or Castle Point is anything to do with clowns from SBC.


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Am i right - but Southend is actually not in Essex, they chose to become an unitarian authority. Also from all of the comments on this forum the last thing we want in Rochford or Castle Point is anything to do with clowns from SBC. . rayleigh123
  • Score: -5

3:30pm Fri 10 Jan 14

James courtnay says...

Just shows how much Cllr Holdcroft knows of education and his Ward.
Just shows how much Cllr Holdcroft knows of education and his Ward. James courtnay
  • Score: 3

4:38pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Greatscot1777 says...

Parents moving into good school catchment areas for the sake of their childrens education goes back decades, How many estate agents openly advertise X house in within Y school catchment area. Seems to me his attention should be focused upon making the under performing schools better, so people do not have to game the system (at a huge personal expense don't forget). The impact is tiny in the scheme of things, If you are in charge of it improve it. Cure the 'disease' and not just treat the symptoms.
Parents moving into good school catchment areas for the sake of their childrens education goes back decades, How many estate agents openly advertise X house in within Y school catchment area. Seems to me his attention should be focused upon making the under performing schools better, so people do not have to game the system (at a huge personal expense don't forget). The impact is tiny in the scheme of things, If you are in charge of it improve it. Cure the 'disease' and not just treat the symptoms. Greatscot1777
  • Score: 19

4:52pm Fri 10 Jan 14

jolllyboy says...

Answer - improve the other schools.
I see Nigel Holdcroft is at it again to enlarge the southend empire. If Rochford,and Castle Point residents have any sense they should fight it. there are downsides to a unitary borough status as well as advantages. However if they wish to be run by a quorum of 8 like we are.................
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Answer - improve the other schools. I see Nigel Holdcroft is at it again to enlarge the southend empire. If Rochford,and Castle Point residents have any sense they should fight it. there are downsides to a unitary borough status as well as advantages. However if they wish to be run by a quorum of 8 like we are................. ........ jolllyboy
  • Score: 3

5:06pm Fri 10 Jan 14

maxell says...

roll on election time to see the back of holdcroft, its quite simple really if you dont want this to happen tactically vote its only likley to happen under the cons and isnt that the right word.
roll on election time to see the back of holdcroft, its quite simple really if you dont want this to happen tactically vote its only likley to happen under the cons and isnt that the right word. maxell
  • Score: 1

5:10pm Fri 10 Jan 14

stopmoaning1 says...

rayleigh123 wrote:
Am i right - but Southend is actually not in Essex, they chose to become an unitarian authority.

Also from all of the comments on this forum the last thing we want in Rochford or Castle Point is anything to do with clowns from SBC.


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A **unitarian** authority?

Christopher Reeve was a Unitarian, now he would have been a great Council leader. Rochford and Castle Point wouldn't want to mess with Superman!
[quote][p][bold]rayleigh123[/bold] wrote: Am i right - but Southend is actually not in Essex, they chose to become an unitarian authority. Also from all of the comments on this forum the last thing we want in Rochford or Castle Point is anything to do with clowns from SBC. .[/p][/quote]A **unitarian** authority? Christopher Reeve was a Unitarian, now he would have been a great Council leader. Rochford and Castle Point wouldn't want to mess with Superman! stopmoaning1
  • Score: 2

6:26pm Fri 10 Jan 14

jayman says...

The local Tory 'voice box' wouldn't be trying to distract from the fact that Southend council have no meaningful plans to address the scandalous lack of school places available, would he?

Southend council don't know where they are. They don't know who they are and they don't know what the hell they are doing..

i wouldn't trust Southends cabinet to have fun in a toy shop, let alone provide a good future for our children..
The local Tory 'voice box' wouldn't be trying to distract from the fact that Southend council have no meaningful plans to address the scandalous lack of school places available, would he? Southend council don't know where they are. They don't know who they are and they don't know what the hell they are doing.. i wouldn't trust Southends cabinet to have fun in a toy shop, let alone provide a good future for our children.. jayman
  • Score: 11

6:38pm Fri 10 Jan 14

stopmoaning1 says...

jayman wrote:
The local Tory 'voice box' wouldn't be trying to distract from the fact that Southend council have no meaningful plans to address the scandalous lack of school places available, would he?

Southend council don't know where they are. They don't know who they are and they don't know what the hell they are doing..

i wouldn't trust Southends cabinet to have fun in a toy shop, let alone provide a good future for our children..
Wow, I agree with you.
Well it is New Year still I suppose.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: The local Tory 'voice box' wouldn't be trying to distract from the fact that Southend council have no meaningful plans to address the scandalous lack of school places available, would he? Southend council don't know where they are. They don't know who they are and they don't know what the hell they are doing.. i wouldn't trust Southends cabinet to have fun in a toy shop, let alone provide a good future for our children..[/p][/quote]Wow, I agree with you. Well it is New Year still I suppose. stopmoaning1
  • Score: 2

9:00pm Fri 10 Jan 14

saveDeanesschool says...

I believe in the near future we are to be looking at the boroughs uniting in the south of the county and there being a northern sector also.
The north /south Essex divide is definitely on the books..
I believe in the near future we are to be looking at the boroughs uniting in the south of the county and there being a northern sector also. The north /south Essex divide is definitely on the books.. saveDeanesschool
  • Score: -5

8:42am Sat 11 Jan 14

Nebs says...

saveDeanesschool wrote:
I believe in the near future we are to be looking at the boroughs uniting in the south of the county and there being a northern sector also.
The north /south Essex divide is definitely on the books..
Perhaps Essex could vote on independence, similar to what Scotland will be doing.
[quote][p][bold]saveDeanesschool[/bold] wrote: I believe in the near future we are to be looking at the boroughs uniting in the south of the county and there being a northern sector also. The north /south Essex divide is definitely on the books..[/p][/quote]Perhaps Essex could vote on independence, similar to what Scotland will be doing. Nebs
  • Score: 0

1:06am Sun 12 Jan 14

hebdenk says...

Most parents would do whatever is within their power to try to get the best education for their children. It does not make them "bad".
Most parents would do whatever is within their power to try to get the best education for their children. It does not make them "bad". hebdenk
  • Score: 5

2:18pm Sun 12 Jan 14

pembury53 says...

hebdenk wrote:
Most parents would do whatever is within their power to try to get the best education for their children. It does not make them "bad".
yes it does..... their selfish actions deprive other kids of a rightfull place in a school.... they should be exposed as cheats and their spoilt kids ostracised in school
[quote][p][bold]hebdenk[/bold] wrote: Most parents would do whatever is within their power to try to get the best education for their children. It does not make them "bad".[/p][/quote]yes it does..... their selfish actions deprive other kids of a rightfull place in a school.... they should be exposed as cheats and their spoilt kids ostracised in school pembury53
  • Score: -5

12:41am Mon 13 Jan 14

heartbeat says...

pembury53 wrote:
hebdenk wrote:
Most parents would do whatever is within their power to try to get the best education for their children. It does not make them "bad".
yes it does..... their selfish actions deprive other kids of a rightfull place in a school.... they should be exposed as cheats and their spoilt kids ostracised in school
I can't see anywhere it says they are cheating, or why the word "accused" is being used. If they were lying about where they or their children live on forms that is a different matter, but if the rules don't say you have to live in a certain area for X amount of time to qualify for a place at a good school they are just being clever playing the system surely? I would have thought it was the kind of behaviour that many Councillors applaud and aspire to.
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hebdenk[/bold] wrote: Most parents would do whatever is within their power to try to get the best education for their children. It does not make them "bad".[/p][/quote]yes it does..... their selfish actions deprive other kids of a rightfull place in a school.... they should be exposed as cheats and their spoilt kids ostracised in school[/p][/quote]I can't see anywhere it says they are cheating, or why the word "accused" is being used. If they were lying about where they or their children live on forms that is a different matter, but if the rules don't say you have to live in a certain area for X amount of time to qualify for a place at a good school they are just being clever playing the system surely? I would have thought it was the kind of behaviour that many Councillors applaud and aspire to. heartbeat
  • Score: 2

12:44am Mon 13 Jan 14

heartbeat says...

heartbeat wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
hebdenk wrote:
Most parents would do whatever is within their power to try to get the best education for their children. It does not make them "bad".
yes it does..... their selfish actions deprive other kids of a rightfull place in a school.... they should be exposed as cheats and their spoilt kids ostracised in school
I can't see anywhere it says they are cheating, or why the word "accused" is being used. If they were lying about where they or their children live on forms that is a different matter, but if the rules don't say you have to live in a certain area for X amount of time to qualify for a place at a good school they are just being clever playing the system surely? I would have thought it was the kind of behaviour that many Councillors applaud and aspire to.
I've just noticed the Echo has used the word "cheat" in their link to the article, though it is not the same heading used at the top of the article. It doesn't therefore appear to make any sense as it doesn't clarify anywhere what form the cheating is taking.
[quote][p][bold]heartbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hebdenk[/bold] wrote: Most parents would do whatever is within their power to try to get the best education for their children. It does not make them "bad".[/p][/quote]yes it does..... their selfish actions deprive other kids of a rightfull place in a school.... they should be exposed as cheats and their spoilt kids ostracised in school[/p][/quote]I can't see anywhere it says they are cheating, or why the word "accused" is being used. If they were lying about where they or their children live on forms that is a different matter, but if the rules don't say you have to live in a certain area for X amount of time to qualify for a place at a good school they are just being clever playing the system surely? I would have thought it was the kind of behaviour that many Councillors applaud and aspire to.[/p][/quote]I've just noticed the Echo has used the word "cheat" in their link to the article, though it is not the same heading used at the top of the article. It doesn't therefore appear to make any sense as it doesn't clarify anywhere what form the cheating is taking. heartbeat
  • Score: 2

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