Street lights switch-off in Rochford and Rayleigh at end of January

Echo: Street lights switch-off in Rochford and Rayleigh at end of January Street lights switch-off in Rochford and Rayleigh at end of January

PARTS of Rayleigh will be plunged into darkness for five hours every night from January 26, as Essex County Council continues its plan to switch off street lights.

Lights across the district will be turned off from midnight until 5am as the county council tries to save money, and reduce its carbon footprint.

Rayleigh will see residential areas around Hockley Road, High Road and High Street have the lights turned off, but parts of Helena Road, Love Lane and Daws Heath Road will remain illuminated.

The switch-offs appear to be situated predominantly south of the railway line in Rayleigh, with the area around Mill Hall Arts Centre in Rayleigh town centre escaping the scheme.

Ian Ward, chairman of Rayleigh Town Council, said: “We will consider the whole proposal under review.

“We have been told the trials elsewhere have been positive, but if this plan does lead to an increase in crime we will have to act quickly.”

The county council scheme was trialled in Maldon and Uttlesford, saving 20 per centof the energy bill – approximately £70,000 – and has since been rolled out.

It is claimed the trial sawno increase in recorded crime or road collisions, but the Echo reported earlier in January of a spate of garage raids in Colchester being blamed on the switch-off.

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Keith Hudson, Rochford councillor responsible for planning, said: “The maps are extremely complicated.

“We will need to thoroughly inspect them to see if they conform to our original representations.”

The county council blamed a delay in publishing the maps on slow roll-out in other areas, and not all residents are happy with the plans.

Brian Carlton, from the Hullbridge action group, said: “There are a number of roads that, if they are not lit, could be hazardous.

“If the council claims this is going to save it money, why is it not offering us a rebate on our council tax?”

Detail of the switch-offs can be found at www.essexhigh ways.org/Transport-and Roads/Roads-andPavements /Street-lighting/Partnightlighting/ Rochford

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8:24am Thu 16 Jan 14

pembury53 says...

"trialed in maldon and uttlesworth" where guilt of crime still established by ducking.....
"trialed in maldon and uttlesworth" where guilt of crime still established by ducking..... pembury53
  • Score: 2

10:02am Thu 16 Jan 14

Thorp55 says...

With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy.
With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy. Thorp55
  • Score: 23

10:27am Thu 16 Jan 14

Chris Flunk says...

Since the lights have been switched off in Castle Point it's been utter bedlam. Wait a minute, no it hasn't. I'd be amazed if most people have even noticed. I've been out after the lights have been switched off and the ambient light was still good enough to clearly see where you were walking. We've not had swathes of pedestrians mown down in the streets nor gangs of muggers preying on the elderly walking home from their after-hours bingo dens.
Since the lights have been switched off in Castle Point it's been utter bedlam. Wait a minute, no it hasn't. I'd be amazed if most people have even noticed. I've been out after the lights have been switched off and the ambient light was still good enough to clearly see where you were walking. We've not had swathes of pedestrians mown down in the streets nor gangs of muggers preying on the elderly walking home from their after-hours bingo dens. Chris Flunk
  • Score: 28

11:44am Thu 16 Jan 14

MitchLive says...

Thorp55 wrote:
With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy.
Yep, and I'm one of them. Last Wednesday walking home from work along Hullbridge Road, a part of the road from Lombards Farm to the Golf Club is unlit (lights are there but aren't on) and is completely pitch black. Went over on my ankle due to what I can only describe as a trench, about 2" deep, 12" wide and 10 metres long. Completely buckled my ankle, swelled to a balloon, blackened toes, the works. Had to hobble home and even a week later still hurts. Girlfriend has taken photos of my foot and of the pavement and we are looking at getting in contact with the council and taking it forward. I walk home now with a small pocket torch for this particular stretch of road.
[quote][p][bold]Thorp55[/bold] wrote: With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy.[/p][/quote]Yep, and I'm one of them. Last Wednesday walking home from work along Hullbridge Road, a part of the road from Lombards Farm to the Golf Club is unlit (lights are there but aren't on) and is completely pitch black. Went over on my ankle due to what I can only describe as a trench, about 2" deep, 12" wide and 10 metres long. Completely buckled my ankle, swelled to a balloon, blackened toes, the works. Had to hobble home and even a week later still hurts. Girlfriend has taken photos of my foot and of the pavement and we are looking at getting in contact with the council and taking it forward. I walk home now with a small pocket torch for this particular stretch of road. MitchLive
  • Score: 12

11:54am Thu 16 Jan 14

Kim Gandy says...

Chris Flunk wrote:
Since the lights have been switched off in Castle Point it's been utter bedlam. Wait a minute, no it hasn't. I'd be amazed if most people have even noticed. I've been out after the lights have been switched off and the ambient light was still good enough to clearly see where you were walking. We've not had swathes of pedestrians mown down in the streets nor gangs of muggers preying on the elderly walking home from their after-hours bingo dens.
Good for you. Here in Rayleigh there has been an increase in idiots coming out of the multitudinous pubs in this town and smashing people's faces in. Yes this happened in the town centre - on more than one occasion and the latest thing - at Christmas gangs of youths getting people out of their cars to beat them up. All of which happened in areas where there are street lamps.

Think how much easier it will be for them to follow their victims till they are just outside the lit area then lay into them down some dark alley somewhere.

Rayleigh has become a nightmare this last year or so with morons, lurching around the streets drunk, puking in gutters and peeing in doorways, fights, arguments, shouting and bawling well into the early hours at weekends especially in summer.

But I suppose I'm being unreasonable, wanting to spoil their "fun".

And what of the people who have to walk home after work or after a night with friends?

Just because it hasn't happened in Castle Point yet means nothing. There's always a first time for some bunch of little cretins to do somebody over under cover of darkness and where CCTVs don't pick up detail.

And once is once too many.
[quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: Since the lights have been switched off in Castle Point it's been utter bedlam. Wait a minute, no it hasn't. I'd be amazed if most people have even noticed. I've been out after the lights have been switched off and the ambient light was still good enough to clearly see where you were walking. We've not had swathes of pedestrians mown down in the streets nor gangs of muggers preying on the elderly walking home from their after-hours bingo dens.[/p][/quote]Good for you. Here in Rayleigh there has been an increase in idiots coming out of the multitudinous pubs in this town and smashing people's faces in. Yes this happened in the town centre - on more than one occasion and the latest thing - at Christmas gangs of youths getting people out of their cars to beat them up. All of which happened in areas where there are street lamps. Think how much easier it will be for them to follow their victims till they are just outside the lit area then lay into them down some dark alley somewhere. Rayleigh has become a nightmare this last year or so with morons, lurching around the streets drunk, puking in gutters and peeing in doorways, fights, arguments, shouting and bawling well into the early hours at weekends especially in summer. But I suppose I'm being unreasonable, wanting to spoil their "fun". And what of the people who have to walk home after work or after a night with friends? Just because it hasn't happened in Castle Point yet means nothing. There's always a first time for some bunch of little cretins to do somebody over under cover of darkness and where CCTVs don't pick up detail. And once is once too many. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 14

11:56am Thu 16 Jan 14

Kim Gandy says...

....and maybe nothing nasty has happened yet because people are just too scared to be out after midnight now.
....and maybe nothing nasty has happened yet because people are just too scared to be out after midnight now. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 18

12:08pm Thu 16 Jan 14

RochfordRob says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
....and maybe nothing nasty has happened yet because people are just too scared to be out after midnight now.
You have a greater chance of getting mugged or burgled at 2pm than 2am.

Who in their right mind goes out after midnight anyway?

Apart from 'yoofs'

Let 'em go on with it - staggering about p*ssed in the dark.

Could be a good thing.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ....and maybe nothing nasty has happened yet because people are just too scared to be out after midnight now.[/p][/quote]You have a greater chance of getting mugged or burgled at 2pm than 2am. Who in their right mind goes out after midnight anyway? Apart from 'yoofs' Let 'em go on with it - staggering about p*ssed in the dark. Could be a good thing. RochfordRob
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Thu 16 Jan 14

You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat says...

Get yourself a torch, and a pair of balls, stop moaning and get on with life.
Get yourself a torch, and a pair of balls, stop moaning and get on with life. You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat
  • Score: -19

1:04pm Thu 16 Jan 14

UK Geek says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
Since the lights have been switched off in Castle Point it's been utter bedlam. Wait a minute, no it hasn't. I'd be amazed if most people have even noticed. I've been out after the lights have been switched off and the ambient light was still good enough to clearly see where you were walking. We've not had swathes of pedestrians mown down in the streets nor gangs of muggers preying on the elderly walking home from their after-hours bingo dens.
Good for you. Here in Rayleigh there has been an increase in idiots coming out of the multitudinous pubs in this town and smashing people's faces in. Yes this happened in the town centre - on more than one occasion and the latest thing - at Christmas gangs of youths getting people out of their cars to beat them up. All of which happened in areas where there are street lamps.

Think how much easier it will be for them to follow their victims till they are just outside the lit area then lay into them down some dark alley somewhere.

Rayleigh has become a nightmare this last year or so with morons, lurching around the streets drunk, puking in gutters and peeing in doorways, fights, arguments, shouting and bawling well into the early hours at weekends especially in summer.

But I suppose I'm being unreasonable, wanting to spoil their "fun".

And what of the people who have to walk home after work or after a night with friends?

Just because it hasn't happened in Castle Point yet means nothing. There's always a first time for some bunch of little cretins to do somebody over under cover of darkness and where CCTVs don't pick up detail.

And once is once too many.
I notice you are forever bleating about Rayleigh, most of it negative!

Yes it does have the occasional bit of trouble but definitely no more than any other small town!

I have lived in Rayleigh for nearly 30 years and worked in Rayleigh for over 35 years and never seen the extent of the rubbish you spew out day after day!

I think you need to embrace change! if not, just P*ss off from our lovely town.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: Since the lights have been switched off in Castle Point it's been utter bedlam. Wait a minute, no it hasn't. I'd be amazed if most people have even noticed. I've been out after the lights have been switched off and the ambient light was still good enough to clearly see where you were walking. We've not had swathes of pedestrians mown down in the streets nor gangs of muggers preying on the elderly walking home from their after-hours bingo dens.[/p][/quote]Good for you. Here in Rayleigh there has been an increase in idiots coming out of the multitudinous pubs in this town and smashing people's faces in. Yes this happened in the town centre - on more than one occasion and the latest thing - at Christmas gangs of youths getting people out of their cars to beat them up. All of which happened in areas where there are street lamps. Think how much easier it will be for them to follow their victims till they are just outside the lit area then lay into them down some dark alley somewhere. Rayleigh has become a nightmare this last year or so with morons, lurching around the streets drunk, puking in gutters and peeing in doorways, fights, arguments, shouting and bawling well into the early hours at weekends especially in summer. But I suppose I'm being unreasonable, wanting to spoil their "fun". And what of the people who have to walk home after work or after a night with friends? Just because it hasn't happened in Castle Point yet means nothing. There's always a first time for some bunch of little cretins to do somebody over under cover of darkness and where CCTVs don't pick up detail. And once is once too many.[/p][/quote]I notice you are forever bleating about Rayleigh, most of it negative! Yes it does have the occasional bit of trouble but definitely no more than any other small town! I have lived in Rayleigh for nearly 30 years and worked in Rayleigh for over 35 years and never seen the extent of the rubbish you spew out day after day! I think you need to embrace change! if not, just P*ss off from our lovely town. UK Geek
  • Score: -7

1:17pm Thu 16 Jan 14

pembury53 says...

MitchLive wrote:
Thorp55 wrote: With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy.
Yep, and I'm one of them. Last Wednesday walking home from work along Hullbridge Road, a part of the road from Lombards Farm to the Golf Club is unlit (lights are there but aren't on) and is completely pitch black. Went over on my ankle due to what I can only describe as a trench, about 2" deep, 12" wide and 10 metres long. Completely buckled my ankle, swelled to a balloon, blackened toes, the works. Had to hobble home and even a week later still hurts. Girlfriend has taken photos of my foot and of the pavement and we are looking at getting in contact with the council and taking it forward. I walk home now with a small pocket torch for this particular stretch of road.
recommend an LED torch for unlit path..... also great for avoiding dog foul
[quote][p][bold]MitchLive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thorp55[/bold] wrote: With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy.[/p][/quote]Yep, and I'm one of them. Last Wednesday walking home from work along Hullbridge Road, a part of the road from Lombards Farm to the Golf Club is unlit (lights are there but aren't on) and is completely pitch black. Went over on my ankle due to what I can only describe as a trench, about 2" deep, 12" wide and 10 metres long. Completely buckled my ankle, swelled to a balloon, blackened toes, the works. Had to hobble home and even a week later still hurts. Girlfriend has taken photos of my foot and of the pavement and we are looking at getting in contact with the council and taking it forward. I walk home now with a small pocket torch for this particular stretch of road.[/p][/quote]recommend an LED torch for unlit path..... also great for avoiding dog foul pembury53
  • Score: 8

1:18pm Thu 16 Jan 14

pembury53 says...

pembury53 wrote:
MitchLive wrote:
Thorp55 wrote: With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy.
Yep, and I'm one of them. Last Wednesday walking home from work along Hullbridge Road, a part of the road from Lombards Farm to the Golf Club is unlit (lights are there but aren't on) and is completely pitch black. Went over on my ankle due to what I can only describe as a trench, about 2" deep, 12" wide and 10 metres long. Completely buckled my ankle, swelled to a balloon, blackened toes, the works. Had to hobble home and even a week later still hurts. Girlfriend has taken photos of my foot and of the pavement and we are looking at getting in contact with the council and taking it forward. I walk home now with a small pocket torch for this particular stretch of road.
recommend an LED torch for unlit path..... also great for avoiding dog foul
apologies..... hadn't read last line
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MitchLive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thorp55[/bold] wrote: With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy.[/p][/quote]Yep, and I'm one of them. Last Wednesday walking home from work along Hullbridge Road, a part of the road from Lombards Farm to the Golf Club is unlit (lights are there but aren't on) and is completely pitch black. Went over on my ankle due to what I can only describe as a trench, about 2" deep, 12" wide and 10 metres long. Completely buckled my ankle, swelled to a balloon, blackened toes, the works. Had to hobble home and even a week later still hurts. Girlfriend has taken photos of my foot and of the pavement and we are looking at getting in contact with the council and taking it forward. I walk home now with a small pocket torch for this particular stretch of road.[/p][/quote]recommend an LED torch for unlit path..... also great for avoiding dog foul[/p][/quote]apologies..... hadn't read last line pembury53
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Penffa says...

I wish people namely the echo/council would quantify things:

'The county council scheme was trialled in Maldon and Uttlesford, saving 20 per cent of the energy bill – approximately £70,000 – and has since been rolled out'

Is this bill a month a year or some other undesignated time period. I only say this since if we are talking about £70,000 over a year that probably doesn't even cover the Mayor's wages. If you are making a saving of £70,000 a year then it's probably not worth it with the perceived increase in crime (Burglaries/Assaults
), personal injury claims. By the time you have paid the police, courts and claims you would probably run at a loss. I would be interested to see any increase in those figures for the trial areas.
I wish people namely the echo/council would quantify things: 'The county council scheme was trialled in Maldon and Uttlesford, saving 20 per cent of the energy bill – approximately £70,000 – and has since been rolled out' Is this bill a month a year or some other undesignated time period. I only say this since if we are talking about £70,000 over a year that probably doesn't even cover the Mayor's wages. If you are making a saving of £70,000 a year then it's probably not worth it with the perceived increase in crime (Burglaries/Assaults ), personal injury claims. By the time you have paid the police, courts and claims you would probably run at a loss. I would be interested to see any increase in those figures for the trial areas. Penffa
  • Score: 2

2:31pm Thu 16 Jan 14

George80 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
Since the lights have been switched off in Castle Point it's been utter bedlam. Wait a minute, no it hasn't. I'd be amazed if most people have even noticed. I've been out after the lights have been switched off and the ambient light was still good enough to clearly see where you were walking. We've not had swathes of pedestrians mown down in the streets nor gangs of muggers preying on the elderly walking home from their after-hours bingo dens.
Good for you. Here in Rayleigh there has been an increase in idiots coming out of the multitudinous pubs in this town and smashing people's faces in. Yes this happened in the town centre - on more than one occasion and the latest thing - at Christmas gangs of youths getting people out of their cars to beat them up. All of which happened in areas where there are street lamps.

Think how much easier it will be for them to follow their victims till they are just outside the lit area then lay into them down some dark alley somewhere.

Rayleigh has become a nightmare this last year or so with morons, lurching around the streets drunk, puking in gutters and peeing in doorways, fights, arguments, shouting and bawling well into the early hours at weekends especially in summer.

But I suppose I'm being unreasonable, wanting to spoil their "fun".

And what of the people who have to walk home after work or after a night with friends?

Just because it hasn't happened in Castle Point yet means nothing. There's always a first time for some bunch of little cretins to do somebody over under cover of darkness and where CCTVs don't pick up detail.

And once is once too many.
CCTV is getting turned off in Rayleigh also as part of the cuts
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: Since the lights have been switched off in Castle Point it's been utter bedlam. Wait a minute, no it hasn't. I'd be amazed if most people have even noticed. I've been out after the lights have been switched off and the ambient light was still good enough to clearly see where you were walking. We've not had swathes of pedestrians mown down in the streets nor gangs of muggers preying on the elderly walking home from their after-hours bingo dens.[/p][/quote]Good for you. Here in Rayleigh there has been an increase in idiots coming out of the multitudinous pubs in this town and smashing people's faces in. Yes this happened in the town centre - on more than one occasion and the latest thing - at Christmas gangs of youths getting people out of their cars to beat them up. All of which happened in areas where there are street lamps. Think how much easier it will be for them to follow their victims till they are just outside the lit area then lay into them down some dark alley somewhere. Rayleigh has become a nightmare this last year or so with morons, lurching around the streets drunk, puking in gutters and peeing in doorways, fights, arguments, shouting and bawling well into the early hours at weekends especially in summer. But I suppose I'm being unreasonable, wanting to spoil their "fun". And what of the people who have to walk home after work or after a night with friends? Just because it hasn't happened in Castle Point yet means nothing. There's always a first time for some bunch of little cretins to do somebody over under cover of darkness and where CCTVs don't pick up detail. And once is once too many.[/p][/quote]CCTV is getting turned off in Rayleigh also as part of the cuts George80
  • Score: 2

5:02pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

George80 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
Since the lights have been switched off in Castle Point it's been utter bedlam. Wait a minute, no it hasn't. I'd be amazed if most people have even noticed. I've been out after the lights have been switched off and the ambient light was still good enough to clearly see where you were walking. We've not had swathes of pedestrians mown down in the streets nor gangs of muggers preying on the elderly walking home from their after-hours bingo dens.
Good for you. Here in Rayleigh there has been an increase in idiots coming out of the multitudinous pubs in this town and smashing people's faces in. Yes this happened in the town centre - on more than one occasion and the latest thing - at Christmas gangs of youths getting people out of their cars to beat them up. All of which happened in areas where there are street lamps.

Think how much easier it will be for them to follow their victims till they are just outside the lit area then lay into them down some dark alley somewhere.

Rayleigh has become a nightmare this last year or so with morons, lurching around the streets drunk, puking in gutters and peeing in doorways, fights, arguments, shouting and bawling well into the early hours at weekends especially in summer.

But I suppose I'm being unreasonable, wanting to spoil their "fun".

And what of the people who have to walk home after work or after a night with friends?

Just because it hasn't happened in Castle Point yet means nothing. There's always a first time for some bunch of little cretins to do somebody over under cover of darkness and where CCTVs don't pick up detail.

And once is once too many.
CCTV is getting turned off in Rayleigh also as part of the cuts
Let the fun begin
[quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: Since the lights have been switched off in Castle Point it's been utter bedlam. Wait a minute, no it hasn't. I'd be amazed if most people have even noticed. I've been out after the lights have been switched off and the ambient light was still good enough to clearly see where you were walking. We've not had swathes of pedestrians mown down in the streets nor gangs of muggers preying on the elderly walking home from their after-hours bingo dens.[/p][/quote]Good for you. Here in Rayleigh there has been an increase in idiots coming out of the multitudinous pubs in this town and smashing people's faces in. Yes this happened in the town centre - on more than one occasion and the latest thing - at Christmas gangs of youths getting people out of their cars to beat them up. All of which happened in areas where there are street lamps. Think how much easier it will be for them to follow their victims till they are just outside the lit area then lay into them down some dark alley somewhere. Rayleigh has become a nightmare this last year or so with morons, lurching around the streets drunk, puking in gutters and peeing in doorways, fights, arguments, shouting and bawling well into the early hours at weekends especially in summer. But I suppose I'm being unreasonable, wanting to spoil their "fun". And what of the people who have to walk home after work or after a night with friends? Just because it hasn't happened in Castle Point yet means nothing. There's always a first time for some bunch of little cretins to do somebody over under cover of darkness and where CCTVs don't pick up detail. And once is once too many.[/p][/quote]CCTV is getting turned off in Rayleigh also as part of the cuts[/p][/quote]Let the fun begin Nowthatsworthknowing
  • Score: -12

8:22pm Thu 16 Jan 14

heartbeat says...

Thorp55 wrote:
With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy.
If roads around train stations (and bus stops) are having their lights switched off this is surely a massive deterrent to people who use public transport! How does that fit with Councils' "green' policies to cut emissions? Oh yeah, we the public must be green, obviously.

Ok buses are usually practically non-existent after about 7pm in a lot of parts of town anyway, but trains run through to Southend Victoria and Shoeburyness from London with the last trains arriving after 1.30am! People are SERIOUSLY expected to walk home from stations along the way in pitch black darkness??? Anyone looking for someone to mug will know exactly what time and where to pounce, and God help any commuters who might have dared stop to have a drink or two after work.
[quote][p][bold]Thorp55[/bold] wrote: With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy.[/p][/quote]If roads around train stations (and bus stops) are having their lights switched off this is surely a massive deterrent to people who use public transport! How does that fit with Councils' "green' policies to cut emissions? Oh yeah, we the public must be green, obviously. Ok buses are usually practically non-existent after about 7pm in a lot of parts of town anyway, but trains run through to Southend Victoria and Shoeburyness from London with the last trains arriving after 1.30am! People are SERIOUSLY expected to walk home from stations along the way in pitch black darkness??? Anyone looking for someone to mug will know exactly what time and where to pounce, and God help any commuters who might have dared stop to have a drink or two after work. heartbeat
  • Score: 19

9:01pm Thu 16 Jan 14

niki-loo says...

heartbeat wrote:
Thorp55 wrote:
With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy.
If roads around train stations (and bus stops) are having their lights switched off this is surely a massive deterrent to people who use public transport! How does that fit with Councils' "green' policies to cut emissions? Oh yeah, we the public must be green, obviously.

Ok buses are usually practically non-existent after about 7pm in a lot of parts of town anyway, but trains run through to Southend Victoria and Shoeburyness from London with the last trains arriving after 1.30am! People are SERIOUSLY expected to walk home from stations along the way in pitch black darkness??? Anyone looking for someone to mug will know exactly what time and where to pounce, and God help any commuters who might have dared stop to have a drink or two after work.
theres a taxi rank just outside the train station and i'm pretty sure buses don't run between 12-5am....muggers will mug you whether its daylight or pitch black. So yes i SERIOUSLY expect people to be able to walk home
[quote][p][bold]heartbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thorp55[/bold] wrote: With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy.[/p][/quote]If roads around train stations (and bus stops) are having their lights switched off this is surely a massive deterrent to people who use public transport! How does that fit with Councils' "green' policies to cut emissions? Oh yeah, we the public must be green, obviously. Ok buses are usually practically non-existent after about 7pm in a lot of parts of town anyway, but trains run through to Southend Victoria and Shoeburyness from London with the last trains arriving after 1.30am! People are SERIOUSLY expected to walk home from stations along the way in pitch black darkness??? Anyone looking for someone to mug will know exactly what time and where to pounce, and God help any commuters who might have dared stop to have a drink or two after work.[/p][/quote]theres a taxi rank just outside the train station and i'm pretty sure buses don't run between 12-5am....muggers will mug you whether its daylight or pitch black. So yes i SERIOUSLY expect people to be able to walk home niki-loo
  • Score: -21

9:12pm Thu 16 Jan 14

andyh says...

That description of which roads will have part-time lights and which won't doesn't quite appear to correspond to the ECC maps (which mark each individual street light … and are very nice maps, well worth downloading).
That description of which roads will have part-time lights and which won't doesn't quite appear to correspond to the ECC maps (which mark each individual street light … and are very nice maps, well worth downloading). andyh
  • Score: 11

1:46am Fri 17 Jan 14

heartbeat says...

niki-loo wrote:
heartbeat wrote:
Thorp55 wrote:
With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy.
If roads around train stations (and bus stops) are having their lights switched off this is surely a massive deterrent to people who use public transport! How does that fit with Councils' "green' policies to cut emissions? Oh yeah, we the public must be green, obviously.

Ok buses are usually practically non-existent after about 7pm in a lot of parts of town anyway, but trains run through to Southend Victoria and Shoeburyness from London with the last trains arriving after 1.30am! People are SERIOUSLY expected to walk home from stations along the way in pitch black darkness??? Anyone looking for someone to mug will know exactly what time and where to pounce, and God help any commuters who might have dared stop to have a drink or two after work.
theres a taxi rank just outside the train station and i'm pretty sure buses don't run between 12-5am....muggers will mug you whether its daylight or pitch black. So yes i SERIOUSLY expect people to be able to walk home
Errrrr…not everyone can afford a taxi every time they get off a train after midnight, and that's assuming there would always be a taxi sitting there waiting for everyone in the first place. You are, however, correct about buses not running between 12.00 - 5pm (apart from the X30 etc.). Muggers will quite obviously always be opportunistic, and my point is that there will be a lot more opportunity created if roads (around stations and other places) are unlit during the hours when several people are getting off trains and walking along unlit roads. Countless studies have shown that the safest routes to take are always those which are well-lit and overlooked…..I rest my case!
[quote][p][bold]niki-loo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heartbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thorp55[/bold] wrote: With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy.[/p][/quote]If roads around train stations (and bus stops) are having their lights switched off this is surely a massive deterrent to people who use public transport! How does that fit with Councils' "green' policies to cut emissions? Oh yeah, we the public must be green, obviously. Ok buses are usually practically non-existent after about 7pm in a lot of parts of town anyway, but trains run through to Southend Victoria and Shoeburyness from London with the last trains arriving after 1.30am! People are SERIOUSLY expected to walk home from stations along the way in pitch black darkness??? Anyone looking for someone to mug will know exactly what time and where to pounce, and God help any commuters who might have dared stop to have a drink or two after work.[/p][/quote]theres a taxi rank just outside the train station and i'm pretty sure buses don't run between 12-5am....muggers will mug you whether its daylight or pitch black. So yes i SERIOUSLY expect people to be able to walk home[/p][/quote]Errrrr…not everyone can afford a taxi every time they get off a train after midnight, and that's assuming there would always be a taxi sitting there waiting for everyone in the first place. You are, however, correct about buses not running between 12.00 - 5pm (apart from the X30 etc.). Muggers will quite obviously always be opportunistic, and my point is that there will be a lot more opportunity created if roads (around stations and other places) are unlit during the hours when several people are getting off trains and walking along unlit roads. Countless studies have shown that the safest routes to take are always those which are well-lit and overlooked…..I rest my case! heartbeat
  • Score: 15

7:08am Fri 17 Jan 14

barneydrop says...

I bet none of the street lights that are turned off are anywhere near to where a councillor or any of there family members live.
I bet none of the street lights that are turned off are anywhere near to where a councillor or any of there family members live. barneydrop
  • Score: 21

11:50pm Fri 17 Jan 14

woolstone says...

Midnight is too early to turn street lights off, at weekends the lights need to be left on until 2 am or close the clubs earlier. I think is absolutely madness to turn lights off there is only going to be problems for the public and the councillors won't care. Just remember when the local elections come around whose idea it was to do this and be careful who you vote for.
Midnight is too early to turn street lights off, at weekends the lights need to be left on until 2 am or close the clubs earlier. I think is absolutely madness to turn lights off there is only going to be problems for the public and the councillors won't care. Just remember when the local elections come around whose idea it was to do this and be careful who you vote for. woolstone
  • Score: 10

7:29am Mon 27 Jan 14

CHRISTMAS CAROL says...

I opened my front door last night to complete blackness, it was quite disconcerting to say the least.
I opened my front door last night to complete blackness, it was quite disconcerting to say the least. CHRISTMAS CAROL
  • Score: 7

8:29am Mon 27 Jan 14

robb789 says...

CHRISTMAS CAROL wrote:
I opened my front door last night to complete blackness, it was quite disconcerting to say the least.
Cameron's Britain!!
[quote][p][bold]CHRISTMAS CAROL[/bold] wrote: I opened my front door last night to complete blackness, it was quite disconcerting to say the least.[/p][/quote]Cameron's Britain!! robb789
  • Score: 3

8:52am Mon 27 Jan 14

bob7 says...

The street lights came in handy if you need to get up for the loo in the night. Just enough illumination not to have to turn a light on and wake anybody else up.
As for lights keeping the morons away, doesn't work. They still wander down London Road shouting, singing, mucking about in peoples gardens and leaving beer cans and bottles on the ground.
The street lights came in handy if you need to get up for the loo in the night. Just enough illumination not to have to turn a light on and wake anybody else up. As for lights keeping the morons away, doesn't work. They still wander down London Road shouting, singing, mucking about in peoples gardens and leaving beer cans and bottles on the ground. bob7
  • Score: 2

5:42pm Mon 27 Jan 14

_Lotus_ says...

RochfordRob wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
....and maybe nothing nasty has happened yet because people are just too scared to be out after midnight now.
You have a greater chance of getting mugged or burgled at 2pm than 2am.

Who in their right mind goes out after midnight anyway?

Apart from 'yoofs'

Let 'em go on with it - staggering about p*ssed in the dark.

Could be a good thing.
Who in their right mind goes out after midnight? Well those poor sods coming home from a late shift at work for one.
[quote][p][bold]RochfordRob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ....and maybe nothing nasty has happened yet because people are just too scared to be out after midnight now.[/p][/quote]You have a greater chance of getting mugged or burgled at 2pm than 2am. Who in their right mind goes out after midnight anyway? Apart from 'yoofs' Let 'em go on with it - staggering about p*ssed in the dark. Could be a good thing.[/p][/quote]Who in their right mind goes out after midnight? Well those poor sods coming home from a late shift at work for one. _Lotus_
  • Score: 9

5:45pm Mon 27 Jan 14

_Lotus_ says...

heartbeat wrote:
niki-loo wrote:
heartbeat wrote:
Thorp55 wrote:
With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy.
If roads around train stations (and bus stops) are having their lights switched off this is surely a massive deterrent to people who use public transport! How does that fit with Councils' "green' policies to cut emissions? Oh yeah, we the public must be green, obviously.

Ok buses are usually practically non-existent after about 7pm in a lot of parts of town anyway, but trains run through to Southend Victoria and Shoeburyness from London with the last trains arriving after 1.30am! People are SERIOUSLY expected to walk home from stations along the way in pitch black darkness??? Anyone looking for someone to mug will know exactly what time and where to pounce, and God help any commuters who might have dared stop to have a drink or two after work.
theres a taxi rank just outside the train station and i'm pretty sure buses don't run between 12-5am....muggers will mug you whether its daylight or pitch black. So yes i SERIOUSLY expect people to be able to walk home
Errrrr…not everyone can afford a taxi every time they get off a train after midnight, and that's assuming there would always be a taxi sitting there waiting for everyone in the first place. You are, however, correct about buses not running between 12.00 - 5pm (apart from the X30 etc.). Muggers will quite obviously always be opportunistic, and my point is that there will be a lot more opportunity created if roads (around stations and other places) are unlit during the hours when several people are getting off trains and walking along unlit roads. Countless studies have shown that the safest routes to take are always those which are well-lit and overlooked…..I rest my case!
there is no taxi rank out Southend East station - just saying.
[quote][p][bold]heartbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]niki-loo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heartbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thorp55[/bold] wrote: With the state of some pavements and potholes in the road, I should imagine the council will soon be inundated with claims from pedestrians who have fallen over.also would the powers that be like their relatives or teenagers walking home after working late or an evening out, with no lighting.lets not forget the last train from London gets in after 1am and it is always very busy.[/p][/quote]If roads around train stations (and bus stops) are having their lights switched off this is surely a massive deterrent to people who use public transport! How does that fit with Councils' "green' policies to cut emissions? Oh yeah, we the public must be green, obviously. Ok buses are usually practically non-existent after about 7pm in a lot of parts of town anyway, but trains run through to Southend Victoria and Shoeburyness from London with the last trains arriving after 1.30am! People are SERIOUSLY expected to walk home from stations along the way in pitch black darkness??? Anyone looking for someone to mug will know exactly what time and where to pounce, and God help any commuters who might have dared stop to have a drink or two after work.[/p][/quote]theres a taxi rank just outside the train station and i'm pretty sure buses don't run between 12-5am....muggers will mug you whether its daylight or pitch black. So yes i SERIOUSLY expect people to be able to walk home[/p][/quote]Errrrr…not everyone can afford a taxi every time they get off a train after midnight, and that's assuming there would always be a taxi sitting there waiting for everyone in the first place. You are, however, correct about buses not running between 12.00 - 5pm (apart from the X30 etc.). Muggers will quite obviously always be opportunistic, and my point is that there will be a lot more opportunity created if roads (around stations and other places) are unlit during the hours when several people are getting off trains and walking along unlit roads. Countless studies have shown that the safest routes to take are always those which are well-lit and overlooked…..I rest my case![/p][/quote]there is no taxi rank out Southend East station - just saying. _Lotus_
  • Score: 2

5:48pm Mon 27 Jan 14

_Lotus_ says...

UK Geek wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
Since the lights have been switched off in Castle Point it's been utter bedlam. Wait a minute, no it hasn't. I'd be amazed if most people have even noticed. I've been out after the lights have been switched off and the ambient light was still good enough to clearly see where you were walking. We've not had swathes of pedestrians mown down in the streets nor gangs of muggers preying on the elderly walking home from their after-hours bingo dens.
Good for you. Here in Rayleigh there has been an increase in idiots coming out of the multitudinous pubs in this town and smashing people's faces in. Yes this happened in the town centre - on more than one occasion and the latest thing - at Christmas gangs of youths getting people out of their cars to beat them up. All of which happened in areas where there are street lamps.

Think how much easier it will be for them to follow their victims till they are just outside the lit area then lay into them down some dark alley somewhere.

Rayleigh has become a nightmare this last year or so with morons, lurching around the streets drunk, puking in gutters and peeing in doorways, fights, arguments, shouting and bawling well into the early hours at weekends especially in summer.

But I suppose I'm being unreasonable, wanting to spoil their "fun".

And what of the people who have to walk home after work or after a night with friends?

Just because it hasn't happened in Castle Point yet means nothing. There's always a first time for some bunch of little cretins to do somebody over under cover of darkness and where CCTVs don't pick up detail.

And once is once too many.
I notice you are forever bleating about Rayleigh, most of it negative!

Yes it does have the occasional bit of trouble but definitely no more than any other small town!

I have lived in Rayleigh for nearly 30 years and worked in Rayleigh for over 35 years and never seen the extent of the rubbish you spew out day after day!

I think you need to embrace change! if not, just P*ss off from our lovely town.
Unfortunately, there really were cases of a bunch of kids stopping people in their cars and beating them up, not too long ago either, in fact, very recently.
[quote][p][bold]UK Geek[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: Since the lights have been switched off in Castle Point it's been utter bedlam. Wait a minute, no it hasn't. I'd be amazed if most people have even noticed. I've been out after the lights have been switched off and the ambient light was still good enough to clearly see where you were walking. We've not had swathes of pedestrians mown down in the streets nor gangs of muggers preying on the elderly walking home from their after-hours bingo dens.[/p][/quote]Good for you. Here in Rayleigh there has been an increase in idiots coming out of the multitudinous pubs in this town and smashing people's faces in. Yes this happened in the town centre - on more than one occasion and the latest thing - at Christmas gangs of youths getting people out of their cars to beat them up. All of which happened in areas where there are street lamps. Think how much easier it will be for them to follow their victims till they are just outside the lit area then lay into them down some dark alley somewhere. Rayleigh has become a nightmare this last year or so with morons, lurching around the streets drunk, puking in gutters and peeing in doorways, fights, arguments, shouting and bawling well into the early hours at weekends especially in summer. But I suppose I'm being unreasonable, wanting to spoil their "fun". And what of the people who have to walk home after work or after a night with friends? Just because it hasn't happened in Castle Point yet means nothing. There's always a first time for some bunch of little cretins to do somebody over under cover of darkness and where CCTVs don't pick up detail. And once is once too many.[/p][/quote]I notice you are forever bleating about Rayleigh, most of it negative! Yes it does have the occasional bit of trouble but definitely no more than any other small town! I have lived in Rayleigh for nearly 30 years and worked in Rayleigh for over 35 years and never seen the extent of the rubbish you spew out day after day! I think you need to embrace change! if not, just P*ss off from our lovely town.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, there really were cases of a bunch of kids stopping people in their cars and beating them up, not too long ago either, in fact, very recently. _Lotus_
  • Score: 4

12:27am Tue 28 Jan 14

>insert username here says...

There are so many people here that have no idea what they're on about it's actually quite funny, the same can be said for most of the comment sections on this site, just local nut jobs that decide their solution is so much better, well it might be better, for you. Just try and get a bit of perspective people!! The world doesn't revolve around you!! People need to realise that they are just one out of 7 billion voices, at the end of the day, nobody of any importance cares about me, you or your late night trips in the dark.
There are so many people here that have no idea what they're on about it's actually quite funny, the same can be said for most of the comment sections on this site, just local nut jobs that decide their solution is so much better, well it might be better, for you. Just try and get a bit of perspective people!! The world doesn't revolve around you!! People need to realise that they are just one out of 7 billion voices, at the end of the day, nobody of any importance cares about me, you or your late night trips in the dark. >insert username here
  • Score: -4

12:15pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Alekhine says...

Now i understand why the council is spraying luminous paint on dog turds.
Now i understand why the council is spraying luminous paint on dog turds. Alekhine
  • Score: 5

2:46pm Tue 28 Jan 14

RochfordRob says...

Street lights have been off for a few days where I live - before midnight and certainly later than 5am.

Roundabouts and junctions seem to have them, as for the rest - it's quite pleasant - less light pollution, and strangely, quieter.

Common place when I was growing up - and no one got murdered in their beds then either.
Street lights have been off for a few days where I live - before midnight and certainly later than 5am. Roundabouts and junctions seem to have them, as for the rest - it's quite pleasant - less light pollution, and strangely, quieter. Common place when I was growing up - and no one got murdered in their beds then either. RochfordRob
  • Score: 3

10:35pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Letmetryagain says...

Once all lights are converted to LED technology, the need for turning the lights off will be gone. Although that in itself is going to cost a fortune.
Once all lights are converted to LED technology, the need for turning the lights off will be gone. Although that in itself is going to cost a fortune. Letmetryagain
  • Score: 0

6:22am Wed 29 Jan 14

SARFENDMAN says...

Bit of a mess with confusing media informtaion and contradictions as appears that supposed areas where the lights were supposed to stay are on including High Street/High Road areas of Rayleigh are now off. Will be fun come the weekend,
Bit of a mess with confusing media informtaion and contradictions as appears that supposed areas where the lights were supposed to stay are on including High Street/High Road areas of Rayleigh are now off. Will be fun come the weekend, SARFENDMAN
  • Score: 0

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