Boris: Don't sideline my Thames Estuary airport plan

Boris: Don't sideline my Thames Estuary airport plan

Boris: Don't sideline my Thames Estuary airport plan

First published in News

LONDON Mayor Boris Johnson has urged the commission deciding on future airport capacity not to sideline a Thames Estuary airport plan.

The Whitehall-appointed Airports Commission announced last month it had shortlisted for further study new runway options at Heathrow or Gatwick.

Led by former Financial Services Authority chief Sir Howard Davies, the commission did not shortlist any of the Thames Estuary airport plans – schemes which are supported by Mr Johnson. But the commission left the door open by saying it would look further at one of the estuary schemes, for a new airport on the Isle of Grain.

Mr Johnson has written to Sir Howard expressing concern that assessment of the Isle of Grain plan could fall behind that of Heathrow and Gatwick.

The letter said: “Such a delay would place a severe disadvantage on the Isle of Grain proposal and imposing it would give the impression you had prejudged the findings of the additional work on an Isle of Grain option before it had even begun.”

Sir Howard and his team are due to produce their final report on airport capacity in the summer of 2015 – after the next general election.

Launching the commission’s interim report last month, Sir Howard said the estuary airport plan could cost as much £112 billion – much more than either the Heathrow or Gatwick options.

He also said the construction challenge in building a new estuary airport would be “massive”.

Mr Johnson is vehemently opposed to the expansion of Heathrow. An extra, third runway at Heathrow was given the goahead by the Labour government in 2009, but scrapped by the coalition Government when it took power in May 2010.

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9:06am Fri 17 Jan 14

Alice in Her Own Land :P says...

I never thought I'd compare airports to buses ... wait long enough and 2 turn up at once!
Personally I would rather the airport in Rochford remained as it is without Boris's idea.
I never thought I'd compare airports to buses ... wait long enough and 2 turn up at once! Personally I would rather the airport in Rochford remained as it is without Boris's idea. Alice in Her Own Land :P
  • Score: 1

9:11am Fri 17 Jan 14

Howard Cháse says...

Naff off Doris....
Naff off Doris.... Howard Cháse
  • Score: -4

10:19am Fri 17 Jan 14

tws123 says...

Easy for him to suggest where a new airport should be built. He has no idea what the consequences would be for the people of South Essex and North Kent! Expand Heathrow and save us the money.
Easy for him to suggest where a new airport should be built. He has no idea what the consequences would be for the people of South Essex and North Kent! Expand Heathrow and save us the money. tws123
  • Score: 6

10:19am Fri 17 Jan 14

Jack222 says...

No support for this idea.

Frankly its obvious that it should be at Stansted with it being north of London and with good road and train links. (I know the NIMBYs will complain.) The only reason Heathrow is overcrowded is that the rest of the world does not know that there is an alternative to Heathrow... So, rename Gatwick Heathrow B, call Stansted Heathrow C and watch the world happily have their planes land all round London...
No support for this idea. Frankly its obvious that it should be at Stansted with it being north of London and with good road and train links. (I know the NIMBYs will complain.) The only reason Heathrow is overcrowded is that the rest of the world does not know that there is an alternative to Heathrow... So, rename Gatwick Heathrow B, call Stansted Heathrow C and watch the world happily have their planes land all round London... Jack222
  • Score: 1

10:35am Fri 17 Jan 14

Nebs says...

Do both, Boris Island and an extra runway at Heathrow. By the time the work is finished on one we'll need another anyway.
Do both, Boris Island and an extra runway at Heathrow. By the time the work is finished on one we'll need another anyway. Nebs
  • Score: -6

12:29pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Ian P says...

We should be looking at making better use of the airport capacity we have available, before we build more airports. For example Stansted has a runway which can handle very large aircraft, but many of aircraft that use the airport are relatively small, making shorthaul flights around Europe, which can be flown safely in & out of an airport with much shorter runways. Perhaps some of the these flights could be moved to other airports freeing up capacity for the larger aircraft that need longer runways. Is Gatwick, one of our southern most airports, ideally located for all the holiday flights it handles? Should we be looking at where passengers travel from to Gatwick and see if there is a more appropriate airport? It seems to me that all that is being considered is where can we best build additional runways, rather than how can we best use the ones we have?
We should be looking at making better use of the airport capacity we have available, before we build more airports. For example Stansted has a runway which can handle very large aircraft, but many of aircraft that use the airport are relatively small, making shorthaul flights around Europe, which can be flown safely in & out of an airport with much shorter runways. Perhaps some of the these flights could be moved to other airports freeing up capacity for the larger aircraft that need longer runways. Is Gatwick, one of our southern most airports, ideally located for all the holiday flights it handles? Should we be looking at where passengers travel from to Gatwick and see if there is a more appropriate airport? It seems to me that all that is being considered is where can we best build additional runways, rather than how can we best use the ones we have? Ian P
  • Score: 5

12:49pm Fri 17 Jan 14

whataday says...

tws123 wrote:
Easy for him to suggest where a new airport should be built. He has no idea what the consequences would be for the people of South Essex and North Kent! Expand Heathrow and save us the money.
Nor does he care
[quote][p][bold]tws123[/bold] wrote: Easy for him to suggest where a new airport should be built. He has no idea what the consequences would be for the people of South Essex and North Kent! Expand Heathrow and save us the money.[/p][/quote]Nor does he care whataday
  • Score: -2

2:21pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Hope the build it and build it BIG
Hope the build it and build it BIG Nowthatsworthknowing
  • Score: 0

3:28pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Nebs says...

They could redevelop Chalgrove, surrounded by farmland, close to the M40, suitable for all those west of London.
They could redevelop Chalgrove, surrounded by farmland, close to the M40, suitable for all those west of London. Nebs
  • Score: 7

6:39pm Fri 17 Jan 14

John T Pharro says...

For the umpteenth time of telling you. You are Mayor of London Barmy Boris not Kent or Essex. We had no say in electing you so bog off and stop wasting tax payers money on YOUR ideas in pursuit of your own political ambitions.
For the umpteenth time of telling you. You are Mayor of London Barmy Boris not Kent or Essex. We had no say in electing you so bog off and stop wasting tax payers money on YOUR ideas in pursuit of your own political ambitions. John T Pharro
  • Score: 4

6:46pm Fri 17 Jan 14

MaplinMonkey says...

OPEN LETTER TO THE LONDON MAYOR BORIS JOHNSON

Hello Boris, I am appalled by the state of the commission too, do these people not understand future London planning needs at all?

By the time Heathrow or Gatwick have additional runway facilities built, the aviation capacity at either site would most probably be so high that we would be having this conversation again in the future.

A Third runway at Heathrow would probably cost West London the towns of Sipson and Harlington, where are these people going to live and what about the increased air traffic across London, it's madness!

My view as a small to medium enterprise in the UK is to build future proof facilities and infrastructure with my hard earned HMRC contributions and not support planning errors from previous generations ineptitude.

Please investigate and develop proper plans for Maplin Sands which was given rightful consent and consideration years ago in the 70's. The commission report will have to look at these plans again as it could be THE global number one aviation hub and would be cheaper now than in the 70's as the super container port has already been built further up Thames.

Benefits include:

A new tidal defence and river crossing instead of another bridge at Dartford that is being currently planned I hear?

Extensions to Cross Rail via a high speed rail link for services into London and to the new airport facilities with the rail route branching from Rochford and crossing Sutton and Shopland with additional services from Shoeburyness also connecting the new facilities.

Creation of high speed river services into Docklands and Central London, with docking facilities via the new access roads at the super container port off the A13 / M25 for motor vehicle access to the airport with additional docking to connect North Kent and access to the high speed channel tunnel rail link, let's use the Thames as an asset!

Build a whole new technology town upon Heathrow with additional residential property on the current Heathrow site. Close London City Airport and build residential properties to further service the busy London business and services market.

Instead of the MoD testing range build a whole new town to service the new airport and reclaim the land by dredging the Thames Estuary.

I'll probably get shot down by all the Echo trolls for typo or grammar errors but WTH, I have to say something as it will solve transport problems for future generations to come, good luck Boris, may the force be with you!
OPEN LETTER TO THE LONDON MAYOR BORIS JOHNSON Hello Boris, I am appalled by the state of the commission too, do these people not understand future London planning needs at all? By the time Heathrow or Gatwick have additional runway facilities built, the aviation capacity at either site would most probably be so high that we would be having this conversation again in the future. A Third runway at Heathrow would probably cost West London the towns of Sipson and Harlington, where are these people going to live and what about the increased air traffic across London, it's madness! My view as a small to medium enterprise in the UK is to build future proof facilities and infrastructure with my hard earned HMRC contributions and not support planning errors from previous generations ineptitude. Please investigate and develop proper plans for Maplin Sands which was given rightful consent and consideration years ago in the 70's. The commission report will have to look at these plans again as it could be THE global number one aviation hub and would be cheaper now than in the 70's as the super container port has already been built further up Thames. Benefits include: A new tidal defence and river crossing instead of another bridge at Dartford that is being currently planned I hear? Extensions to Cross Rail via a high speed rail link for services into London and to the new airport facilities with the rail route branching from Rochford and crossing Sutton and Shopland with additional services from Shoeburyness also connecting the new facilities. Creation of high speed river services into Docklands and Central London, with docking facilities via the new access roads at the super container port off the A13 / M25 for motor vehicle access to the airport with additional docking to connect North Kent and access to the high speed channel tunnel rail link, let's use the Thames as an asset! Build a whole new technology town upon Heathrow with additional residential property on the current Heathrow site. Close London City Airport and build residential properties to further service the busy London business and services market. Instead of the MoD testing range build a whole new town to service the new airport and reclaim the land by dredging the Thames Estuary. I'll probably get shot down by all the Echo trolls for typo or grammar errors but WTH, I have to say something as it will solve transport problems for future generations to come, good luck Boris, may the force be with you! MaplinMonkey
  • Score: 3

11:04pm Fri 17 Jan 14

emcee says...

I agree with MaplinMonkey.
We should not be looking at "expansion" but at developing a brand new hub which can handle a massive load of air traffic and future proof further into the future than the odd extra runway, here and there, will allow.
Unless travel technology changes drastically in the next 40 years or so, or the need for worldwide travel diminishes somewhat, we will soon be talking extra airports anyway, not just extra runways, so we may as well build now.
Expanding an existing London Airport is too little, too late, and would only accommodate ten or fifteen years extra traffic. Then it will be another expansion at another airport and then at another airport ten or fifteen years after that. We need a brand new hub, with four runways now but built in an area where we could add another four in the coming decades as and when needed. If Boris Island is not suitable for this then Maplin Sands certainly is.
I agree with MaplinMonkey. We should not be looking at "expansion" but at developing a brand new hub which can handle a massive load of air traffic and future proof further into the future than the odd extra runway, here and there, will allow. Unless travel technology changes drastically in the next 40 years or so, or the need for worldwide travel diminishes somewhat, we will soon be talking extra airports anyway, not just extra runways, so we may as well build now. Expanding an existing London Airport is too little, too late, and would only accommodate ten or fifteen years extra traffic. Then it will be another expansion at another airport and then at another airport ten or fifteen years after that. We need a brand new hub, with four runways now but built in an area where we could add another four in the coming decades as and when needed. If Boris Island is not suitable for this then Maplin Sands certainly is. emcee
  • Score: 4

5:49pm Sat 18 Jan 14

LadyOr says...

Clearly expanding Heathrow or Gatwick would be calamitous for London, toxic fumes from cars and more flights creating noise and air pollution, affecting millions of people, not a great plan? Are the government trying to loose the election, before the pre-election poll. Lol

NO MORE RUNWAYS AT HEATHROW!!
Clearly expanding Heathrow or Gatwick would be calamitous for London, toxic fumes from cars and more flights creating noise and air pollution, affecting millions of people, not a great plan? Are the government trying to loose the election, before the pre-election poll. Lol NO MORE RUNWAYS AT HEATHROW!! LadyOr
  • Score: 0

6:33pm Sat 18 Jan 14

John T Pharro says...

Jack222 wrote:
No support for this idea.

Frankly its obvious that it should be at Stansted with it being north of London and with good road and train links. (I know the NIMBYs will complain.) The only reason Heathrow is overcrowded is that the rest of the world does not know that there is an alternative to Heathrow... So, rename Gatwick Heathrow B, call Stansted Heathrow C and watch the world happily have their planes land all round London...
As you say the Nimbys do not like your comment. I think you will find the land around Stansted Airport is already owned by the airport owners and leased to farmers. Had two runways been built in the first place maybe there would not be the problem we have now. Don't forget if Boris Island is built Heathrow will not be returned to Hounslow Heath and become the farming land and common it once was it will be just built on. Just as Hendon, Croydon and Feltham airfields were.
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: No support for this idea. Frankly its obvious that it should be at Stansted with it being north of London and with good road and train links. (I know the NIMBYs will complain.) The only reason Heathrow is overcrowded is that the rest of the world does not know that there is an alternative to Heathrow... So, rename Gatwick Heathrow B, call Stansted Heathrow C and watch the world happily have their planes land all round London...[/p][/quote]As you say the Nimbys do not like your comment. I think you will find the land around Stansted Airport is already owned by the airport owners and leased to farmers. Had two runways been built in the first place maybe there would not be the problem we have now. Don't forget if Boris Island is built Heathrow will not be returned to Hounslow Heath and become the farming land and common it once was it will be just built on. Just as Hendon, Croydon and Feltham airfields were. John T Pharro
  • Score: 1

6:37pm Sat 18 Jan 14

John T Pharro says...

emcee wrote:
I agree with MaplinMonkey.
We should not be looking at "expansion" but at developing a brand new hub which can handle a massive load of air traffic and future proof further into the future than the odd extra runway, here and there, will allow.
Unless travel technology changes drastically in the next 40 years or so, or the need for worldwide travel diminishes somewhat, we will soon be talking extra airports anyway, not just extra runways, so we may as well build now.
Expanding an existing London Airport is too little, too late, and would only accommodate ten or fifteen years extra traffic. Then it will be another expansion at another airport and then at another airport ten or fifteen years after that. We need a brand new hub, with four runways now but built in an area where we could add another four in the coming decades as and when needed. If Boris Island is not suitable for this then Maplin Sands certainly is.
If Maplin is built should be an interesting flight over the wind farms.
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: I agree with MaplinMonkey. We should not be looking at "expansion" but at developing a brand new hub which can handle a massive load of air traffic and future proof further into the future than the odd extra runway, here and there, will allow. Unless travel technology changes drastically in the next 40 years or so, or the need for worldwide travel diminishes somewhat, we will soon be talking extra airports anyway, not just extra runways, so we may as well build now. Expanding an existing London Airport is too little, too late, and would only accommodate ten or fifteen years extra traffic. Then it will be another expansion at another airport and then at another airport ten or fifteen years after that. We need a brand new hub, with four runways now but built in an area where we could add another four in the coming decades as and when needed. If Boris Island is not suitable for this then Maplin Sands certainly is.[/p][/quote]If Maplin is built should be an interesting flight over the wind farms. John T Pharro
  • Score: 2

9:54am Mon 20 Jan 14

DannyK86 says...

Expand Heathrow. Better to put further airport capacity in a place where the infrastructure is already there, and all the local residents no doubt already have soundproofed houses paid for by the airport - why bother extending the noise to somewhere new?

Really, HS2 should be built ASAP to Birmingham airport, which will then be just half hour from Heathrow and able to act as an additional runway.
Expand Heathrow. Better to put further airport capacity in a place where the infrastructure is already there, and all the local residents no doubt already have soundproofed houses paid for by the airport - why bother extending the noise to somewhere new? Really, HS2 should be built ASAP to Birmingham airport, which will then be just half hour from Heathrow and able to act as an additional runway. DannyK86
  • Score: 1

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