1,200 households seeking compensation from Southend Airport

A map showing the location of claimants

A map showing the location of claimants

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MORE than 1,200 households are claiming compensation from Southend Airport, which could result in a multi-million pound bill.

Residents are seeking compensation for noise nuisance and pollution they claim has reduced the value of their homes.

Confidential talks have started between airport representatives and surveyors acting for homeowners seeking payouts if the expansion of the airport has devalued their properties.

Jonathan Carrington, owner of Cardiff-based surveyor Carrick and Co, which is representing about 370 claimants, said: “I think they are going to resist the claims, but it’s difficult to say at this stage. We’re just trying to prove our case.

“We didn’t expect them to bow down and pay up straight away.

“Hopefully, when we come up with the evidence, they will pay up.”

Mr Carrington and Michael Marriott, a Westcliff-based chartered surveyor representing 800 claimants, have begun discussing the merits of claims with surveyors acting on behalf of airport owner the Stobart Group.

Chartered surveyor Chris Hunt, of Hunt Scott, Dorking, has submitted at least another 60 claims.

A series of summits are expected as the experts try to agree if the claimants can prove an increase in noise, vibration, dust, smell, light pollution, discharge or fumes as a result of the airport’s expansion has devalued their homes, under a law called the Land Compensation Act.

The surveyors would then have to agree the amount of any payouts due.

The process could take years, but if no agreement is reached after six years, cases will be referred to a tribunal.

Any individual payout, based solely on the devaluation, would likely reach tens of thousands of pounds.

Mr Hunt has claimed some homeowners who sold properties within a year of the extended runway opening, had to drop their asking price by as much as 15 per cent to sell.

Mr Marriott said: “We are discussing the merits of any claims.

How long it will take depends on the expertise and experience of those involved.”

David Lister, operations director of the airport, said: “People who believe they are impacted by the development of Southend Airport were entitled to make a claim one year from when the development was finished.

“These claims are followed by a detailed and thorough assessment over a period of time that will evaluate a number of factors.

“If there are any claims that are proved, then we would certainlymeet our responsibilities.”

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7:49am Mon 20 Jan 14

supermadmax says...

The airport should defend it all the way to court and then sue for costs.
The airport should defend it all the way to court and then sue for costs. supermadmax
  • Score: 240

8:11am Mon 20 Jan 14

Vox SoS says...

i live on the Astronaut estate in Eastwood, less than half a mile from the airport. Yes, there is additional noise and yes, we get occasional wafts of aviation fuel but we moved to our home knowing that there was an airport on our doorstep.

Our lives are probably effected more that most of the 1200 claimants but don't see any legal right, nor necessity, to claim damages. I wouldn't mind betting that 99 percent of the greedy claimants weren't evenn born before the airport was built - and i wouldn't mind betting that a lot of the claimants are merely chancers indulging in the sick money-grabbing, compensation seeking society which this country has sadly sunk into.
i live on the Astronaut estate in Eastwood, less than half a mile from the airport. Yes, there is additional noise and yes, we get occasional wafts of aviation fuel but we moved to our home knowing that there was an airport on our doorstep. Our lives are probably effected more that most of the 1200 claimants but don't see any legal right, nor necessity, to claim damages. I wouldn't mind betting that 99 percent of the greedy claimants weren't evenn born before the airport was built - and i wouldn't mind betting that a lot of the claimants are merely chancers indulging in the sick money-grabbing, compensation seeking society which this country has sadly sunk into. Vox SoS
  • Score: 223

8:42am Mon 20 Jan 14

w-jback says...

vox, and houses are selling like hot cakes on the Astronaut estate too with a huge increase over the last few years. Likewise a few houses along Southend Road appear to have sold very quickly.
How much any price drop was down to the Recession, the Airport or just the seller being over optimistic in the poor economic climate of a few years ago is difficult to prove.
vox, and houses are selling like hot cakes on the Astronaut estate too with a huge increase over the last few years. Likewise a few houses along Southend Road appear to have sold very quickly. How much any price drop was down to the Recession, the Airport or just the seller being over optimistic in the poor economic climate of a few years ago is difficult to prove. w-jback
  • Score: 193

8:46am Mon 20 Jan 14

Laughlust says...

And most of these morons, want an airshow
And most of these morons, want an airshow Laughlust
  • Score: 206

9:23am Mon 20 Jan 14

RogerChasewood says...

i wonder many of the claimants have used the benefits of having an airport on its doorstep? I would actually ban anyone in the 1200 households from using it
i wonder many of the claimants have used the benefits of having an airport on its doorstep? I would actually ban anyone in the 1200 households from using it RogerChasewood
  • Score: 40

9:48am Mon 20 Jan 14

DannyK86 says...

My parents live on Mountdale Gardens, right under the flightpath, and the effect of the planes going over really is negligible. A few seconds of noise, which has never disturbed them or myself when I've stayed there, and in the summer it gives you something interesting to look at when you're out in the garden having a BBQ! :)

It's likely that about 2% of the claimants have a genuine case, and the rest are just greedy opportunists who have been advised by these money-chasing surbeyors that there might be some free cash in it for them.
My parents live on Mountdale Gardens, right under the flightpath, and the effect of the planes going over really is negligible. A few seconds of noise, which has never disturbed them or myself when I've stayed there, and in the summer it gives you something interesting to look at when you're out in the garden having a BBQ! :) It's likely that about 2% of the claimants have a genuine case, and the rest are just greedy opportunists who have been advised by these money-chasing surbeyors that there might be some free cash in it for them. DannyK86
  • Score: 49

9:48am Mon 20 Jan 14

DannyK86 says...

*Surveyors, not surbeyors!
*Surveyors, not surbeyors! DannyK86
  • Score: 10

9:51am Mon 20 Jan 14

Howard Cháse says...

I live over fifteen miles away and get easyjet aircraft coming over low.

Aircraft traffic passing that low overhead has increased dramatically since the airport expanded. Where's my millions in compo please.....
I live over fifteen miles away and get easyjet aircraft coming over low. Aircraft traffic passing that low overhead has increased dramatically since the airport expanded. Where's my millions in compo please..... Howard Cháse
  • Score: -20

10:31am Mon 20 Jan 14

Nebs says...

I'd be more worried about the air quality than the noise if I lived under the flightpath.
I'd be more worried about the air quality than the noise if I lived under the flightpath. Nebs
  • Score: 5

10:48am Mon 20 Jan 14

Southend Andy says...

Most of the people claiming are just after £s it will be so funny if all the claims are thrown out. Are the people who are claiming going to pay all of the airports court costs...... I bet not.
Most of the people claiming are just after £s it will be so funny if all the claims are thrown out. Are the people who are claiming going to pay all of the airports court costs...... I bet not. Southend Andy
  • Score: 26

10:57am Mon 20 Jan 14

mrttev says...

Worry about air quality hey time the planes was using lots co2 and thick smoke exhaust and much noisy than today better technology planes
Worry about air quality hey time the planes was using lots co2 and thick smoke exhaust and much noisy than today better technology planes mrttev
  • Score: 13

10:58am Mon 20 Jan 14

Laughlust says...

Once a compromise over the compensation amounts, have been sorted, with each complainant signing an agreement of satisfaction, of the airport, will signal the start of phase two.
Phase two will be the new runway extensions, allowing for the more serious contenders, to operate from Southend.
Once a compromise over the compensation amounts, have been sorted, with each complainant signing an agreement of satisfaction, of the airport, will signal the start of phase two. Phase two will be the new runway extensions, allowing for the more serious contenders, to operate from Southend. Laughlust
  • Score: 8

11:01am Mon 20 Jan 14

w-jback says...

Laughlust wrote:
Once a compromise over the compensation amounts, have been sorted, with each complainant signing an agreement of satisfaction, of the airport, will signal the start of phase two.
Phase two will be the new runway extensions, allowing for the more serious contenders, to operate from Southend.
and where exactly will the new extension go, there is no room! Besides it is the width that is the issue, too many buildings would be in the way for runway widening, including the church. The airport is as large as it is ever going to get.
[quote][p][bold]Laughlust[/bold] wrote: Once a compromise over the compensation amounts, have been sorted, with each complainant signing an agreement of satisfaction, of the airport, will signal the start of phase two. Phase two will be the new runway extensions, allowing for the more serious contenders, to operate from Southend.[/p][/quote]and where exactly will the new extension go, there is no room! Besides it is the width that is the issue, too many buildings would be in the way for runway widening, including the church. The airport is as large as it is ever going to get. w-jback
  • Score: 4

11:11am Mon 20 Jan 14

sosad 1 says...

I wonder how many of these people are trying to rent out their driveways etc on websites greedy B*******DS
I wonder how many of these people are trying to rent out their driveways etc on websites greedy B*******DS sosad 1
  • Score: 27

11:24am Mon 20 Jan 14

Little John says...

To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house. Little John
  • Score: 8

11:26am Mon 20 Jan 14

mrttev says...

Who said having extension runaway planning ! No chance. There aren't any room
Who said having extension runaway planning ! No chance. There aren't any room mrttev
  • Score: -4

11:41am Mon 20 Jan 14

Vox SoS says...

Little John wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.
I think yo'll find that Heathrow and other airports have arriving/departing flights before 6am so you may be incorrect in your noise abatement law.
[quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.[/p][/quote]I think yo'll find that Heathrow and other airports have arriving/departing flights before 6am so you may be incorrect in your noise abatement law. Vox SoS
  • Score: 22

11:45am Mon 20 Jan 14

Laughlust says...

mrttev wrote:
Who said having extension runaway planning ! No chance. There aren't any room
Compulsory purchase of the properties north east of the airport, an underpass for the road
[quote][p][bold]mrttev[/bold] wrote: Who said having extension runaway planning ! No chance. There aren't any room[/p][/quote]Compulsory purchase of the properties north east of the airport, an underpass for the road Laughlust
  • Score: 3

11:52am Mon 20 Jan 14

w-jback says...

Saen, why do you think you deserve a seat on the ACC ? You are just a nuisance pressure group? You are not elected, you do not represent the people of Leigh, Rochford or Southend, only those few hundred members you have.
Saen, why do you think you deserve a seat on the ACC ? You are just a nuisance pressure group? You are not elected, you do not represent the people of Leigh, Rochford or Southend, only those few hundred members you have. w-jback
  • Score: 15

12:00pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Little John says...

Vox SoS wrote:
Little John wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.
I think yo'll find that Heathrow and other airports have arriving/departing flights before 6am so you may be incorrect in your noise abatement law.
Just checked it out. It is called The Noise Abatement Act 1960. It does apply to all business and people.....airports, however are excluded from the act I just discovered.

Gutted! How does that work then? Between certain hours you can't have a bloke strimming the verge with a 20cc petrol engine, he can be fined but it's OK to have a couple of jet engines screaming away 150 metres or so from the roof of your house at any time of day.
[quote][p][bold]Vox SoS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.[/p][/quote]I think yo'll find that Heathrow and other airports have arriving/departing flights before 6am so you may be incorrect in your noise abatement law.[/p][/quote]Just checked it out. It is called The Noise Abatement Act 1960. It does apply to all business and people.....airports, however are excluded from the act I just discovered. Gutted! How does that work then? Between certain hours you can't have a bloke strimming the verge with a 20cc petrol engine, he can be fined but it's OK to have a couple of jet engines screaming away 150 metres or so from the roof of your house at any time of day. Little John
  • Score: 11

12:04pm Mon 20 Jan 14

disenfranchisedpast says...

Vox SoS wrote:
Little John wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.
I think yo'll find that Heathrow and other airports have arriving/departing flights before 6am so you may be incorrect in your noise abatement law.
I believe the noise abatement act specifically excludes aircraft noise.

I would be surprised if any of these compo claims are successful, I can literally see the airport and the squeezyjets from where I am on the rochford road and not once have I been woken by them. I get more noise from the road, and a quick check of zoopla shows property prices around here have risen inline or above the national average.
[quote][p][bold]Vox SoS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.[/p][/quote]I think yo'll find that Heathrow and other airports have arriving/departing flights before 6am so you may be incorrect in your noise abatement law.[/p][/quote]I believe the noise abatement act specifically excludes aircraft noise. I would be surprised if any of these compo claims are successful, I can literally see the airport and the squeezyjets from where I am on the rochford road and not once have I been woken by them. I get more noise from the road, and a quick check of zoopla shows property prices around here have risen inline or above the national average. disenfranchisedpast
  • Score: 19

12:24pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Ian P says...

Little John wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.
" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.
[quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.[/p][/quote]" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds. Ian P
  • Score: 15

12:43pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Little John says...

Ian P wrote:
Little John wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.
" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.
Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too.

I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all.
Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though.
[quote][p][bold]Ian P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.[/p][/quote]" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.[/p][/quote]Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too. I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all. Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though. Little John
  • Score: 14

12:46pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Danshrimp says...

Laughlust wrote:
mrttev wrote:
Who said having extension runaway planning ! No chance. There aren't any room
Compulsory purchase of the properties north east of the airport, an underpass for the road
And the train line?
[quote][p][bold]Laughlust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrttev[/bold] wrote: Who said having extension runaway planning ! No chance. There aren't any room[/p][/quote]Compulsory purchase of the properties north east of the airport, an underpass for the road[/p][/quote]And the train line? Danshrimp
  • Score: 4

1:12pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Laughlust says...

Danshrimp wrote:
Laughlust wrote:
mrttev wrote:
Who said having extension runaway planning ! No chance. There aren't any room
Compulsory purchase of the properties north east of the airport, an underpass for the road
And the train line?
The new runway extension will look similar to the bow of HMS Hermes, with a raised portion for the initial 2000 metres, the train will be sunk into a new deeper cutting.
[quote][p][bold]Danshrimp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laughlust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrttev[/bold] wrote: Who said having extension runaway planning ! No chance. There aren't any room[/p][/quote]Compulsory purchase of the properties north east of the airport, an underpass for the road[/p][/quote]And the train line?[/p][/quote]The new runway extension will look similar to the bow of HMS Hermes, with a raised portion for the initial 2000 metres, the train will be sunk into a new deeper cutting. Laughlust
  • Score: -5

1:44pm Mon 20 Jan 14

DannyK86 says...

Little John wrote:
Ian P wrote:
Little John wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.
" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.
Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too.

I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all.
Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though.
Where in Leigh? If the noise is negligible on Mountdale Gardens, at the top end of Leigh, then anywhere further south will have even less of an effect. Either that or you need to invest in proper double glazing...
[quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.[/p][/quote]" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.[/p][/quote]Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too. I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all. Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though.[/p][/quote]Where in Leigh? If the noise is negligible on Mountdale Gardens, at the top end of Leigh, then anywhere further south will have even less of an effect. Either that or you need to invest in proper double glazing... DannyK86
  • Score: 3

2:12pm Mon 20 Jan 14

emcee says...

Quote: "...could result in a multi-million pound bill".
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Could but probably won't. These claims are nothing more than a load of chancers trying it on, based on scaremongering tactics by "no win, no fee" solicitors and a handfull of anti airport campaigners.
Quote: "...could result in a multi-million pound bill". - Could but probably won't. These claims are nothing more than a load of chancers trying it on, based on scaremongering tactics by "no win, no fee" solicitors and a handfull of anti airport campaigners. emcee
  • Score: 15

2:19pm Mon 20 Jan 14

paintlad3 says...

hear hear on that last Quote!!
hear hear on that last Quote!! paintlad3
  • Score: 9

2:35pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Little John says...

DannyK86 wrote:
Little John wrote:
Ian P wrote:
Little John wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.
" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.
Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too.

I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all.
Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though.
Where in Leigh? If the noise is negligible on Mountdale Gardens, at the top end of Leigh, then anywhere further south will have even less of an effect. Either that or you need to invest in proper double glazing...
I'm near Belfairs swimming pool. Don't know if it's something to do with the height they get to by the time they are overhead making the sound last longer.

Funny enough, it's the take off's that are the most unpleasant. The landings, whilst loud are not as bad and the sound doesn't last as long. Maybe because the engines are being powered down for landings. The only time it's acceptable when they take off is when there is a real stiff south-westerly wind which gives them enough lift to be too high to bother me.

I've seen posts from folk over in Rochford stating it isn't that bad there. Could be the planes need to be a little higher for the sound to get annoying....Oh, I've got double glazing. Anyway, my point is not to get rid of the airport, just to have the flights at a reasonable time of day. I work from home, often in my garden in the summer making calls and tapping on my laptop. Lost count of the amount of times I've had to pause on a call when a planes over head because I can't hear the person I'm talking to. That said, at least it's during the day. It's the 6.30am flight I don't like most.
[quote][p][bold]DannyK86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.[/p][/quote]" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.[/p][/quote]Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too. I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all. Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though.[/p][/quote]Where in Leigh? If the noise is negligible on Mountdale Gardens, at the top end of Leigh, then anywhere further south will have even less of an effect. Either that or you need to invest in proper double glazing...[/p][/quote]I'm near Belfairs swimming pool. Don't know if it's something to do with the height they get to by the time they are overhead making the sound last longer. Funny enough, it's the take off's that are the most unpleasant. The landings, whilst loud are not as bad and the sound doesn't last as long. Maybe because the engines are being powered down for landings. The only time it's acceptable when they take off is when there is a real stiff south-westerly wind which gives them enough lift to be too high to bother me. I've seen posts from folk over in Rochford stating it isn't that bad there. Could be the planes need to be a little higher for the sound to get annoying....Oh, I've got double glazing. Anyway, my point is not to get rid of the airport, just to have the flights at a reasonable time of day. I work from home, often in my garden in the summer making calls and tapping on my laptop. Lost count of the amount of times I've had to pause on a call when a planes over head because I can't hear the person I'm talking to. That said, at least it's during the day. It's the 6.30am flight I don't like most. Little John
  • Score: 2

3:15pm Mon 20 Jan 14

DannyK86 says...

Little John wrote:
DannyK86 wrote:
Little John wrote:
Ian P wrote:
Little John wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.
" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.
Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too.

I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all.
Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though.
Where in Leigh? If the noise is negligible on Mountdale Gardens, at the top end of Leigh, then anywhere further south will have even less of an effect. Either that or you need to invest in proper double glazing...
I'm near Belfairs swimming pool. Don't know if it's something to do with the height they get to by the time they are overhead making the sound last longer.

Funny enough, it's the take off's that are the most unpleasant. The landings, whilst loud are not as bad and the sound doesn't last as long. Maybe because the engines are being powered down for landings. The only time it's acceptable when they take off is when there is a real stiff south-westerly wind which gives them enough lift to be too high to bother me.

I've seen posts from folk over in Rochford stating it isn't that bad there. Could be the planes need to be a little higher for the sound to get annoying....Oh, I've got double glazing. Anyway, my point is not to get rid of the airport, just to have the flights at a reasonable time of day. I work from home, often in my garden in the summer making calls and tapping on my laptop. Lost count of the amount of times I've had to pause on a call when a planes over head because I can't hear the person I'm talking to. That said, at least it's during the day. It's the 6.30am flight I don't like most.
Well fair enough - 6.30am is pretty early. I wonder where that flight goes, presumably it's timed like that to be a business flight to Amsterdam or something?
[quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DannyK86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.[/p][/quote]" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.[/p][/quote]Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too. I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all. Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though.[/p][/quote]Where in Leigh? If the noise is negligible on Mountdale Gardens, at the top end of Leigh, then anywhere further south will have even less of an effect. Either that or you need to invest in proper double glazing...[/p][/quote]I'm near Belfairs swimming pool. Don't know if it's something to do with the height they get to by the time they are overhead making the sound last longer. Funny enough, it's the take off's that are the most unpleasant. The landings, whilst loud are not as bad and the sound doesn't last as long. Maybe because the engines are being powered down for landings. The only time it's acceptable when they take off is when there is a real stiff south-westerly wind which gives them enough lift to be too high to bother me. I've seen posts from folk over in Rochford stating it isn't that bad there. Could be the planes need to be a little higher for the sound to get annoying....Oh, I've got double glazing. Anyway, my point is not to get rid of the airport, just to have the flights at a reasonable time of day. I work from home, often in my garden in the summer making calls and tapping on my laptop. Lost count of the amount of times I've had to pause on a call when a planes over head because I can't hear the person I'm talking to. That said, at least it's during the day. It's the 6.30am flight I don't like most.[/p][/quote]Well fair enough - 6.30am is pretty early. I wonder where that flight goes, presumably it's timed like that to be a business flight to Amsterdam or something? DannyK86
  • Score: 0

4:02pm Mon 20 Jan 14

niki-loo says...

Little John wrote:
DannyK86 wrote:
Little John wrote:
Ian P wrote:
Little John wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.
" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.
Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too.

I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all.
Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though.
Where in Leigh? If the noise is negligible on Mountdale Gardens, at the top end of Leigh, then anywhere further south will have even less of an effect. Either that or you need to invest in proper double glazing...
I'm near Belfairs swimming pool. Don't know if it's something to do with the height they get to by the time they are overhead making the sound last longer.

Funny enough, it's the take off's that are the most unpleasant. The landings, whilst loud are not as bad and the sound doesn't last as long. Maybe because the engines are being powered down for landings. The only time it's acceptable when they take off is when there is a real stiff south-westerly wind which gives them enough lift to be too high to bother me.

I've seen posts from folk over in Rochford stating it isn't that bad there. Could be the planes need to be a little higher for the sound to get annoying....Oh, I've got double glazing. Anyway, my point is not to get rid of the airport, just to have the flights at a reasonable time of day. I work from home, often in my garden in the summer making calls and tapping on my laptop. Lost count of the amount of times I've had to pause on a call when a planes over head because I can't hear the person I'm talking to. That said, at least it's during the day. It's the 6.30am flight I don't like most.
get some earplugs
[quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DannyK86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.[/p][/quote]" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.[/p][/quote]Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too. I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all. Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though.[/p][/quote]Where in Leigh? If the noise is negligible on Mountdale Gardens, at the top end of Leigh, then anywhere further south will have even less of an effect. Either that or you need to invest in proper double glazing...[/p][/quote]I'm near Belfairs swimming pool. Don't know if it's something to do with the height they get to by the time they are overhead making the sound last longer. Funny enough, it's the take off's that are the most unpleasant. The landings, whilst loud are not as bad and the sound doesn't last as long. Maybe because the engines are being powered down for landings. The only time it's acceptable when they take off is when there is a real stiff south-westerly wind which gives them enough lift to be too high to bother me. I've seen posts from folk over in Rochford stating it isn't that bad there. Could be the planes need to be a little higher for the sound to get annoying....Oh, I've got double glazing. Anyway, my point is not to get rid of the airport, just to have the flights at a reasonable time of day. I work from home, often in my garden in the summer making calls and tapping on my laptop. Lost count of the amount of times I've had to pause on a call when a planes over head because I can't hear the person I'm talking to. That said, at least it's during the day. It's the 6.30am flight I don't like most.[/p][/quote]get some earplugs niki-loo
  • Score: -3

4:31pm Mon 20 Jan 14

jolllyboy says...

DannyK86 must be deaf. Mountdale Gdns does NOT have neglible noise. It is bad enough the early starts for the planes but they are turning before they get out to sea which is NOT allowed and this increases the noise. The afternoon flights are the ones that get people at weekends when they are in their gardens after a hard week at work. If the airport is going to expand more it will have to go the way it always should have - towards Rochford because to expand it any further the other way will be sitting on people's roofs.
The pollution is awful, the airport sits on land that is liable to flood, where will the chemicals go when they de-ice the plane, the roads already cannot take the traffic and increasing the lanes at tesco will NOT help, I project it will be worse. i bet Stobarts wishes now they had held on and bought Cardiff instead, all that money and they will never be free of moans. Have they paid their rent yet ? not much profit for SBC in that.
DannyK86 must be deaf. Mountdale Gdns does NOT have neglible noise. It is bad enough the early starts for the planes but they are turning before they get out to sea which is NOT allowed and this increases the noise. The afternoon flights are the ones that get people at weekends when they are in their gardens after a hard week at work. If the airport is going to expand more it will have to go the way it always should have - towards Rochford because to expand it any further the other way will be sitting on people's roofs. The pollution is awful, the airport sits on land that is liable to flood, where will the chemicals go when they de-ice the plane, the roads already cannot take the traffic and increasing the lanes at tesco will NOT help, I project it will be worse. i bet Stobarts wishes now they had held on and bought Cardiff instead, all that money and they will never be free of moans. Have they paid their rent yet ? not much profit for SBC in that. jolllyboy
  • Score: -1

4:31pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Alekhine says...

Laughlust wrote:
Danshrimp wrote:
Laughlust wrote:
mrttev wrote: Who said having extension runaway planning ! No chance. There aren't any room
Compulsory purchase of the properties north east of the airport, an underpass for the road
And the train line?
The new runway extension will look similar to the bow of HMS Hermes, with a raised portion for the initial 2000 metres, the train will be sunk into a new deeper cutting.
Are you sure you don't smoke?
[quote][p][bold]Laughlust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Danshrimp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laughlust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrttev[/bold] wrote: Who said having extension runaway planning ! No chance. There aren't any room[/p][/quote]Compulsory purchase of the properties north east of the airport, an underpass for the road[/p][/quote]And the train line?[/p][/quote]The new runway extension will look similar to the bow of HMS Hermes, with a raised portion for the initial 2000 metres, the train will be sunk into a new deeper cutting.[/p][/quote]Are you sure you don't smoke? Alekhine
  • Score: 2

5:14pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Letmetryagain says...

Laughlust wrote:
And most of these morons, want an airshow
How will an airshow affect those living close to the airport ?
[quote][p][bold]Laughlust[/bold] wrote: And most of these morons, want an airshow[/p][/quote]How will an airshow affect those living close to the airport ? Letmetryagain
  • Score: 1

5:28pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Laughlust says...

Laughlust wrote:
And most of these morons, want an airshow
Read again and see the high thumbs up I have, thats why cretins like you have to ask.
[quote][p][bold]Laughlust[/bold] wrote: And most of these morons, want an airshow[/p][/quote]Read again and see the high thumbs up I have, thats why cretins like you have to ask. Laughlust
  • Score: -15

6:05pm Mon 20 Jan 14

disenfranchisedpast says...

Little John wrote:
Ian P wrote:
Little John wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.
" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.
Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too.

I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all.
Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though.
I think the 60s/70s part is probably aimed at the fact that the airport was once massively busy (3rd in the country) with much much louder aircraft. It is not a new airport which has sprang up overnight, there is a very real and quantifiable history of southend being busy, which often gets ignored by the anti brigade.

When you buy a house near an airport your survey/property sea4ches generally flag up the presence of an airport, if people choose to ignore this then they have to accept responsibility for it.
[quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.[/p][/quote]" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.[/p][/quote]Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too. I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all. Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though.[/p][/quote]I think the 60s/70s part is probably aimed at the fact that the airport was once massively busy (3rd in the country) with much much louder aircraft. It is not a new airport which has sprang up overnight, there is a very real and quantifiable history of southend being busy, which often gets ignored by the anti brigade. When you buy a house near an airport your survey/property sea4ches generally flag up the presence of an airport, if people choose to ignore this then they have to accept responsibility for it. disenfranchisedpast
  • Score: 10

6:30pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Little John says...

disenfranchisedpast wrote:
Little John wrote:
Ian P wrote:
Little John wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.
" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.
Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too.

I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all.
Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though.
I think the 60s/70s part is probably aimed at the fact that the airport was once massively busy (3rd in the country) with much much louder aircraft. It is not a new airport which has sprang up overnight, there is a very real and quantifiable history of southend being busy, which often gets ignored by the anti brigade.

When you buy a house near an airport your survey/property sea4ches generally flag up the presence of an airport, if people choose to ignore this then they have to accept responsibility for it.
Yes you are right. My survey picked up that there was an airport down the road with a runway too short to be able to deal with large passenger jet aircraft and therefore was used mostly by flying clubs and an occasional unladen aircraft coming in for repairs. No biggie over the last 25 years, a Cessna or two buzzing over head. They certainly didn't wake me up!
The goal posts moved a bit in the last few years. As I have said though, I don't object to the airport. I object to flights at an unsocial hour.
[quote][p][bold]disenfranchisedpast[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.[/p][/quote]" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.[/p][/quote]Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too. I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all. Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though.[/p][/quote]I think the 60s/70s part is probably aimed at the fact that the airport was once massively busy (3rd in the country) with much much louder aircraft. It is not a new airport which has sprang up overnight, there is a very real and quantifiable history of southend being busy, which often gets ignored by the anti brigade. When you buy a house near an airport your survey/property sea4ches generally flag up the presence of an airport, if people choose to ignore this then they have to accept responsibility for it.[/p][/quote]Yes you are right. My survey picked up that there was an airport down the road with a runway too short to be able to deal with large passenger jet aircraft and therefore was used mostly by flying clubs and an occasional unladen aircraft coming in for repairs. No biggie over the last 25 years, a Cessna or two buzzing over head. They certainly didn't wake me up! The goal posts moved a bit in the last few years. As I have said though, I don't object to the airport. I object to flights at an unsocial hour. Little John
  • Score: 7

7:38pm Mon 20 Jan 14

tophat27dt says...

It's all a scandal......this compensation culture thing........if the aircraft are proven to cause damage then I am ok about people receiving some....but otherwise they are all on a lost cause.
It's all a scandal......this compensation culture thing........if the aircraft are proven to cause damage then I am ok about people receiving some....but otherwise they are all on a lost cause. tophat27dt
  • Score: 4

9:21am Tue 21 Jan 14

costa-del-blowfly says...

Whilst on the subject. If you want a laugh, I suggest that you head to SAEN's Facebook page and read Jon Fuller's New Years message. I paraphrase slightly, but he claims that almost everyone they have asked who lives near the airport say that their lives have been made a misery, whilst the few who say that they are not are old and probably suffering from impaired hearing.

You really couldn't make it up.
Whilst on the subject. If you want a laugh, I suggest that you head to SAEN's Facebook page and read Jon Fuller's New Years message. I paraphrase slightly, but he claims that almost everyone they have asked who lives near the airport say that their lives have been made a misery, whilst the few who say that they are not are old and probably suffering from impaired hearing. You really couldn't make it up. costa-del-blowfly
  • Score: 7

12:25pm Tue 21 Jan 14

DannyK86 says...

jolllyboy wrote:
DannyK86 must be deaf. Mountdale Gdns does NOT have neglible noise. It is bad enough the early starts for the planes but they are turning before they get out to sea which is NOT allowed and this increases the noise. The afternoon flights are the ones that get people at weekends when they are in their gardens after a hard week at work. If the airport is going to expand more it will have to go the way it always should have - towards Rochford because to expand it any further the other way will be sitting on people's roofs.
The pollution is awful, the airport sits on land that is liable to flood, where will the chemicals go when they de-ice the plane, the roads already cannot take the traffic and increasing the lanes at tesco will NOT help, I project it will be worse. i bet Stobarts wishes now they had held on and bought Cardiff instead, all that money and they will never be free of moans. Have they paid their rent yet ? not much profit for SBC in that.
Nonsense. The noise is very occasional, and increased pollution is not noticeable at all. The roads in Southend are also not noticeably worse due to the airport - they are always bad anyway.
[quote][p][bold]jolllyboy[/bold] wrote: DannyK86 must be deaf. Mountdale Gdns does NOT have neglible noise. It is bad enough the early starts for the planes but they are turning before they get out to sea which is NOT allowed and this increases the noise. The afternoon flights are the ones that get people at weekends when they are in their gardens after a hard week at work. If the airport is going to expand more it will have to go the way it always should have - towards Rochford because to expand it any further the other way will be sitting on people's roofs. The pollution is awful, the airport sits on land that is liable to flood, where will the chemicals go when they de-ice the plane, the roads already cannot take the traffic and increasing the lanes at tesco will NOT help, I project it will be worse. i bet Stobarts wishes now they had held on and bought Cardiff instead, all that money and they will never be free of moans. Have they paid their rent yet ? not much profit for SBC in that.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. The noise is very occasional, and increased pollution is not noticeable at all. The roads in Southend are also not noticeably worse due to the airport - they are always bad anyway. DannyK86
  • Score: 9

3:21pm Wed 22 Jan 14

maxell says...

Laughlust wrote:
Once a compromise over the compensation amounts, have been sorted, with each complainant signing an agreement of satisfaction, of the airport, will signal the start of phase two.
Phase two will be the new runway extensions, allowing for the more serious contenders, to operate from Southend.
you make one fundemental mistake here should as you mention happen claiments will be able to put in for a second claim , and if more expansion after that a 3rd and 4th , read the land compensation act.
[quote][p][bold]Laughlust[/bold] wrote: Once a compromise over the compensation amounts, have been sorted, with each complainant signing an agreement of satisfaction, of the airport, will signal the start of phase two. Phase two will be the new runway extensions, allowing for the more serious contenders, to operate from Southend.[/p][/quote]you make one fundemental mistake here should as you mention happen claiments will be able to put in for a second claim , and if more expansion after that a 3rd and 4th , read the land compensation act. maxell
  • Score: -1

3:55pm Wed 22 Jan 14

RochfordRob says...

Laughlust wrote:
Laughlust wrote: And most of these morons, want an airshow
Read again and see the high thumbs up I have, thats why cretins like you have to ask.
You appear to be thicker than the original LL, this week, next week or whatever he's called today.

You seem to have MINUS 13 at present.

You are Ed 'Twelvety' Balls and I claim my £5.00.
[quote][p][bold]Laughlust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laughlust[/bold] wrote: And most of these morons, want an airshow[/p][/quote]Read again and see the high thumbs up I have, thats why cretins like you have to ask.[/p][/quote]You appear to be thicker than the original LL, this week, next week or whatever he's called today. You seem to have MINUS 13 at present. You are Ed 'Twelvety' Balls and I claim my £5.00. RochfordRob
  • Score: 0

7:35pm Wed 22 Jan 14

ThisYear says...

RochfordRob wrote:
Laughlust wrote:
Laughlust wrote: And most of these morons, want an airshow
Read again and see the high thumbs up I have, thats why cretins like you have to ask.
You appear to be thicker than the original LL, this week, next week or whatever he's called today.

You seem to have MINUS 13 at present.

You are Ed 'Twelvety' Balls and I claim my £5.00.
When I get to the point of being as stupid as you I will start to worry..but I dont think Ill get that thick in this lifetime...
[quote][p][bold]RochfordRob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laughlust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laughlust[/bold] wrote: And most of these morons, want an airshow[/p][/quote]Read again and see the high thumbs up I have, thats why cretins like you have to ask.[/p][/quote]You appear to be thicker than the original LL, this week, next week or whatever he's called today. You seem to have MINUS 13 at present. You are Ed 'Twelvety' Balls and I claim my £5.00.[/p][/quote]When I get to the point of being as stupid as you I will start to worry..but I dont think Ill get that thick in this lifetime... ThisYear
  • Score: -1

10:55am Fri 24 Jan 14

Nebs says...

Little John wrote:
disenfranchisedpast wrote:
Little John wrote:
Ian P wrote:
Little John wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.
" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.
Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too.

I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all.
Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though.
I think the 60s/70s part is probably aimed at the fact that the airport was once massively busy (3rd in the country) with much much louder aircraft. It is not a new airport which has sprang up overnight, there is a very real and quantifiable history of southend being busy, which often gets ignored by the anti brigade.

When you buy a house near an airport your survey/property sea4ches generally flag up the presence of an airport, if people choose to ignore this then they have to accept responsibility for it.
Yes you are right. My survey picked up that there was an airport down the road with a runway too short to be able to deal with large passenger jet aircraft and therefore was used mostly by flying clubs and an occasional unladen aircraft coming in for repairs. No biggie over the last 25 years, a Cessna or two buzzing over head. They certainly didn't wake me up!
The goal posts moved a bit in the last few years. As I have said though, I don't object to the airport. I object to flights at an unsocial hour.
When you buy a house near an airport your survey/property searches generally flag up the presence of an airport.
When you buy an airport to expand near houses your survey/property searches generally flag up the presence of houses.
[quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]disenfranchisedpast[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little John[/bold] wrote: To be honest, I wouldn't mind the flights so much if they didn't start so early. It is rare for me to sleep past 6.30am when the first one takes off in the morning. Each plane is clearly heard loudly inside my house for around 45 seconds when taking off until it's out of range. This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's. Apparently, according to the Noise abatement Act 19 something or other, it is illegal to make undue noise between the hours of 11pm and 7am. This means builders and landscapers for instance can't start work in the street before 7am so's to not disturb neighbours sleep. They can be fined if they ignore the act. what I don't understand is if this applies to people going about their lawful business, how does it not apply to Stobart? 45 seconds of noise btw might not sound like long to some people, but I assure you, it's long enough to wake up all in my house.[/p][/quote]" This was never a problem until the airport expanded. All we had before where an occasional big plane coming in for repairs and a few Cessna's". These two sentences say it all. You clearly moved in after the airport's previous hayday in the 60's & 70's, when the majority of planes were prop and not jet powered. In those days an aircraft called a Carvair made several flights a day in and out, carrying cars and their passengers to and from the continent. These planes had four large prop engines and when they went overhead, particularly on take-off the noise was deafening and lasted a time measured in minutes, rather than seconds.[/p][/quote]Yes, you are right, I moved to Leigh around 25 years ago and have enjoyed living in a nice quiet area for the best part of a quarter of a century until recently. The airport played no part in my life whatsoever before. Now it's the best alarm clock you can get (unless it's foggy). However, I don't need to get up at 6.30am, especially not at weekends too. I'm all for having the airport and the jobs it provides but not at the expense of disturbing mine and others sleep patterns. I would prefer the flights to be a little later in the day, that's all. Not sure what your point is about the 60s and 70s though.[/p][/quote]I think the 60s/70s part is probably aimed at the fact that the airport was once massively busy (3rd in the country) with much much louder aircraft. It is not a new airport which has sprang up overnight, there is a very real and quantifiable history of southend being busy, which often gets ignored by the anti brigade. When you buy a house near an airport your survey/property sea4ches generally flag up the presence of an airport, if people choose to ignore this then they have to accept responsibility for it.[/p][/quote]Yes you are right. My survey picked up that there was an airport down the road with a runway too short to be able to deal with large passenger jet aircraft and therefore was used mostly by flying clubs and an occasional unladen aircraft coming in for repairs. No biggie over the last 25 years, a Cessna or two buzzing over head. They certainly didn't wake me up! The goal posts moved a bit in the last few years. As I have said though, I don't object to the airport. I object to flights at an unsocial hour.[/p][/quote]When you buy a house near an airport your survey/property searches generally flag up the presence of an airport. When you buy an airport to expand near houses your survey/property searches generally flag up the presence of houses. Nebs
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