Southend Council wants all plans between Leigh and Shoebury to be decided in public

Echo: Concern club was waved through: Thames Estuary Yacht Club plans agreed behind closed doors Concern club was waved through: Thames Estuary Yacht Club plans agreed behind closed doors

COUNCILLORS have called for all future developments on the seafront to be discussed in public after a two-storey yacht clubhouse was agreed behind closed doors.

Southend Council’s development control committee has asked planning officers for all “significant” plans for between Two Tree Island, Leigh, and East Beach, Shoebury, to be decided publicly.

The request came after planning officers admitted they had agreed to allow the Thames Estuary Yacht Club to build a two-storey clubhouse in Western Esplanade without consulting councillors.

The Echo revealed officers recommended the “floating”

restaurant for refusal last week, due to its size, despite allowing the clubhouse a few hundred yards along the seafront.

David Norman, chairman of the committee, said: “The entire length of the seafront, from Two Tree Island, through the pier to East Beach in Shoebury is the jewel in the crown of Southend.

“Under those circumstances, any development on the seafront should be scrutinised by elected members. That particularly goes for new buildings.”

Planning officers will investigate the request.

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8:35pm Fri 7 Feb 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

it all stinks.
it all stinks. DogsMessInLeigh

10:02pm Fri 7 Feb 14

SARFENDMAN says...

It used to be a total taboo for any building to go up on the beach side of the seafront road. Not no more! This one certainly doesn't go with transparency in local government decision making. It certainly whiffs a bit.
It used to be a total taboo for any building to go up on the beach side of the seafront road. Not no more! This one certainly doesn't go with transparency in local government decision making. It certainly whiffs a bit. SARFENDMAN

10:54pm Fri 7 Feb 14

heartbeat says...

I couldn't believe it when I first saw that monstrosity going up on the sea-side of the road! It completely spoils the view and is, as one might say, a carbuncle! This "behind closed doors" thing stinks to high heaven. Whatever happened to transparency???

Someone needs to be answerable for how this has spoiled the seafront/view from the cliffs opposite. It's awful and really upset me as the seaview along the seafront is the main attraction of this town for me. There are precious few others these days!
I couldn't believe it when I first saw that monstrosity going up on the sea-side of the road! It completely spoils the view and is, as one might say, a carbuncle! This "behind closed doors" thing stinks to high heaven. Whatever happened to transparency??? Someone needs to be answerable for how this has spoiled the seafront/view from the cliffs opposite. It's awful and really upset me as the seaview along the seafront is the main attraction of this town for me. There are precious few others these days! heartbeat

11:35pm Fri 7 Feb 14

profondo asbo says...

brother can you spare a wrecking ball?
brother can you spare a wrecking ball? profondo asbo

1:14am Sat 8 Feb 14

iknowbetter says...

profondo asbo wrote:
brother can you spare a wrecking ball?
You might not need one, that building really dosn't look like it will live past this weekend or may well look very different if the weather men have it right.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: brother can you spare a wrecking ball?[/p][/quote]You might not need one, that building really dosn't look like it will live past this weekend or may well look very different if the weather men have it right. iknowbetter

8:01am Sat 8 Feb 14

profondo asbo says...

iknowbetter wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
brother can you spare a wrecking ball?
You might not need one, that building really dosn't look like it will live past this weekend or may well look very different if the weather men have it right.
crossing fingers and toes
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: brother can you spare a wrecking ball?[/p][/quote]You might not need one, that building really dosn't look like it will live past this weekend or may well look very different if the weather men have it right.[/p][/quote]crossing fingers and toes profondo asbo

8:09am Sat 8 Feb 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

behind closed doors...wonder if the decision makers have a penchant for sailing.
behind closed doors...wonder if the decision makers have a penchant for sailing. DogsMessInLeigh

11:39am Sat 8 Feb 14

pembury53 says...

could have been worse, like a hungry horse...
could have been worse, like a hungry horse... pembury53

1:53pm Sat 8 Feb 14

thamesboy says...

iknowbetter wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
brother can you spare a wrecking ball?
You might not need one, that building really dosn't look like it will live past this weekend or may well look very different if the weather men have it right.
And of course, you know all about building no doubt!!!
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: brother can you spare a wrecking ball?[/p][/quote]You might not need one, that building really dosn't look like it will live past this weekend or may well look very different if the weather men have it right.[/p][/quote]And of course, you know all about building no doubt!!! thamesboy

2:33pm Sat 8 Feb 14

thamesboy says...

thamesboy wrote:
iknowbetter wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
brother can you spare a wrecking ball?
You might not need one, that building really dosn't look like it will live past this weekend or may well look very different if the weather men have it right.
And of course, you know all about building no doubt!!!
It looks a lot lot better than the seedy old shed that used to be there, that was an eyesore, well done to the club for tidying it up .
[quote][p][bold]thamesboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: brother can you spare a wrecking ball?[/p][/quote]You might not need one, that building really dosn't look like it will live past this weekend or may well look very different if the weather men have it right.[/p][/quote]And of course, you know all about building no doubt!!![/p][/quote]It looks a lot lot better than the seedy old shed that used to be there, that was an eyesore, well done to the club for tidying it up . thamesboy

3:13pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Cockle says...

'Planning officers will investigate the request' ?????

I know the planning officers have the knowledge to give guidance on decisions that are made as to their legitimacy, etc. But surely our ELECTED councillors on the Development Control Committee have the right to call for certain applications to be referred to Committee. Just who is running Southend Borough Council? More and more it looks like unelected 'officers' are making the decisions behind closed doors with no accountability; and when they're not doing it the Cabinet are doing the same. Local democracy, huh!
'Planning officers will investigate the request' ????? I know the planning officers have the knowledge to give guidance on decisions that are made as to their legitimacy, etc. But surely our ELECTED councillors on the Development Control Committee have the right to call for certain applications to be referred to Committee. Just who is running Southend Borough Council? More and more it looks like unelected 'officers' are making the decisions behind closed doors with no accountability; and when they're not doing it the Cabinet are doing the same. Local democracy, huh! Cockle

4:43pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Howard Cháse says...

Free beer and pies anyone?
Free beer and pies anyone? Howard Cháse

4:44pm Sat 8 Feb 14

profondo asbo says...

thamesboy wrote:
iknowbetter wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
brother can you spare a wrecking ball?
You might not need one, that building really dosn't look like it will live past this weekend or may well look very different if the weather men have it right.
And of course, you know all about building no doubt!!!
no but i understand aesthetics
[quote][p][bold]thamesboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: brother can you spare a wrecking ball?[/p][/quote]You might not need one, that building really dosn't look like it will live past this weekend or may well look very different if the weather men have it right.[/p][/quote]And of course, you know all about building no doubt!!![/p][/quote]no but i understand aesthetics profondo asbo

5:19pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David Caten says...

Yes a very logical comment just like the others. Looks like it will fall down in a storm.You obviously live in another country. We have had worst storms for 100 years an no damage whatsoever.
It took about 3 years of preparation to gain approval. Prior to council approval it was approved by the environmental agency, Natural England prior to going to Southend planning. It was advertised in the local press twice for one month on each occasions. Not one person contacted us or asked to view plans or put forward any objections, It then went for approval by the MMO but I guess you won't have a clue who that is! MARINE MANAGMENT ORGANISATION. Who have to approve all building on the foreshore after council approval. Pushed through, I really don't think so. May be you should look into the good that all the local yacht clubs do and may be read the papers more thoroughly. But then you would have nothing to base your factles rumours on.
Dave Caten TEYC
Yes a very logical comment just like the others. Looks like it will fall down in a storm.You obviously live in another country. We have had worst storms for 100 years an no damage whatsoever. It took about 3 years of preparation to gain approval. Prior to council approval it was approved by the environmental agency, Natural England prior to going to Southend planning. It was advertised in the local press twice for one month on each occasions. Not one person contacted us or asked to view plans or put forward any objections, It then went for approval by the MMO but I guess you won't have a clue who that is! MARINE MANAGMENT ORGANISATION. Who have to approve all building on the foreshore after council approval. Pushed through, I really don't think so. May be you should look into the good that all the local yacht clubs do and may be read the papers more thoroughly. But then you would have nothing to base your factles rumours on. Dave Caten TEYC David Caten

9:17pm Sat 8 Feb 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Out of interest whats your thoughts on the floating restaurant that they want to build next door to your place..?
Out of interest whats your thoughts on the floating restaurant that they want to build next door to your place..? DogsMessInLeigh

10:40pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David Caten says...

My earlier comment appears to have been removed and I can only assume it was removed because some one realised they have posted and printed incorrect information and its removal confirms this fact.
There will be more
Dave Caten
My earlier comment appears to have been removed and I can only assume it was removed because some one realised they have posted and printed incorrect information and its removal confirms this fact. There will be more Dave Caten David Caten

11:00pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David Caten says...

David Caten wrote:
My earlier comment appears to have been removed and I can only assume it was removed because some one realised they have posted and printed incorrect information and its removal confirms this fact.
There will be more
Dave Caten
It will not affect us in any way, we are a amateur sports club that aims to promote sailing as a sport . I am for the improvement of the seafront. I never intend to condem what other want to build without giving g it a lot of thought as we did when we proposed our project.. it is also totally wrong for people to make unfounded accusations about something they know nothing about especially when it is not even complete
If the council give permission for the restaurant they will still need to go down all the avenues that we did. It's not quick, it's not cheap, but it has to be done
[quote][p][bold]David Caten[/bold] wrote: My earlier comment appears to have been removed and I can only assume it was removed because some one realised they have posted and printed incorrect information and its removal confirms this fact. There will be more Dave Caten[/p][/quote]It will not affect us in any way, we are a amateur sports club that aims to promote sailing as a sport . I am for the improvement of the seafront. I never intend to condem what other want to build without giving g it a lot of thought as we did when we proposed our project.. it is also totally wrong for people to make unfounded accusations about something they know nothing about especially when it is not even complete If the council give permission for the restaurant they will still need to go down all the avenues that we did. It's not quick, it's not cheap, but it has to be done David Caten

11:16pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Thumper45 says...

To those tactless people complaining about the aesthetics of the structure, claiming it ruins the view of the sea from the cliffs. You are entitled to your opinion but even if you are an architect your opinion still makes no difference at all.
This building went through all the necessary stages of the planning process and this did include giving the public a chance to object, I know for a fact that this project was publicised in a local paper BEFORE it was granted planning permission.
The councils decision to reject the application for the floating restaurant may or may not demonstrate inconsistency in their planning policies, and the local planning officers decision making. However this should not lead to defamatory articles about clubs that contribute to local community.
To those tactless people complaining about the aesthetics of the structure, claiming it ruins the view of the sea from the cliffs. You are entitled to your opinion but even if you are an architect your opinion still makes no difference at all. This building went through all the necessary stages of the planning process and this did include giving the public a chance to object, I know for a fact that this project was publicised in a local paper BEFORE it was granted planning permission. The councils decision to reject the application for the floating restaurant may or may not demonstrate inconsistency in their planning policies, and the local planning officers decision making. However this should not lead to defamatory articles about clubs that contribute to local community. Thumper45

11:18pm Sat 8 Feb 14

profondo asbo says...

David Caten wrote:
Yes a very logical comment just like the others. Looks like it will fall down in a storm.You obviously live in another country. We have had worst storms for 100 years an no damage whatsoever.
It took about 3 years of preparation to gain approval. Prior to council approval it was approved by the environmental agency, Natural England prior to going to Southend planning. It was advertised in the local press twice for one month on each occasions. Not one person contacted us or asked to view plans or put forward any objections, It then went for approval by the MMO but I guess you won't have a clue who that is! MARINE MANAGMENT ORGANISATION. Who have to approve all building on the foreshore after council approval. Pushed through, I really don't think so. May be you should look into the good that all the local yacht clubs do and may be read the papers more thoroughly. But then you would have nothing to base your factles rumours on.
Dave Caten TEYC
so if you got planning approval why build a crappy shed? btw i found your architect's white cane in the street.
[quote][p][bold]David Caten[/bold] wrote: Yes a very logical comment just like the others. Looks like it will fall down in a storm.You obviously live in another country. We have had worst storms for 100 years an no damage whatsoever. It took about 3 years of preparation to gain approval. Prior to council approval it was approved by the environmental agency, Natural England prior to going to Southend planning. It was advertised in the local press twice for one month on each occasions. Not one person contacted us or asked to view plans or put forward any objections, It then went for approval by the MMO but I guess you won't have a clue who that is! MARINE MANAGMENT ORGANISATION. Who have to approve all building on the foreshore after council approval. Pushed through, I really don't think so. May be you should look into the good that all the local yacht clubs do and may be read the papers more thoroughly. But then you would have nothing to base your factles rumours on. Dave Caten TEYC[/p][/quote]so if you got planning approval why build a crappy shed? btw i found your architect's white cane in the street. profondo asbo

11:50pm Sat 8 Feb 14

profondo asbo says...

Thumper45 wrote:
To those tactless people complaining about the aesthetics of the structure, claiming it ruins the view of the sea from the cliffs. You are entitled to your opinion but even if you are an architect your opinion still makes no difference at all.
This building went through all the necessary stages of the planning process and this did include giving the public a chance to object, I know for a fact that this project was publicised in a local paper BEFORE it was granted planning permission.
The councils decision to reject the application for the floating restaurant may or may not demonstrate inconsistency in their planning policies, and the local planning officers decision making. However this should not lead to defamatory articles about clubs that contribute to local community.
would it be more tactful to describe it as a disgusting excrescence? let's pray for an act of god
[quote][p][bold]Thumper45[/bold] wrote: To those tactless people complaining about the aesthetics of the structure, claiming it ruins the view of the sea from the cliffs. You are entitled to your opinion but even if you are an architect your opinion still makes no difference at all. This building went through all the necessary stages of the planning process and this did include giving the public a chance to object, I know for a fact that this project was publicised in a local paper BEFORE it was granted planning permission. The councils decision to reject the application for the floating restaurant may or may not demonstrate inconsistency in their planning policies, and the local planning officers decision making. However this should not lead to defamatory articles about clubs that contribute to local community.[/p][/quote]would it be more tactful to describe it as a disgusting excrescence? let's pray for an act of god profondo asbo

11:56pm Sat 8 Feb 14

profondo asbo says...

David Caten wrote:
David Caten wrote:
My earlier comment appears to have been removed and I can only assume it was removed because some one realised they have posted and printed incorrect information and its removal confirms this fact.
There will be more
Dave Caten
It will not affect us in any way, we are a amateur sports club that aims to promote sailing as a sport . I am for the improvement of the seafront. I never intend to condem what other want to build without giving g it a lot of thought as we did when we proposed our project.. it is also totally wrong for people to make unfounded accusations about something they know nothing about especially when it is not even complete
If the council give permission for the restaurant they will still need to go down all the avenues that we did. It's not quick, it's not cheap, but it has to be done
in what universe is erecting this eyesore an improvement to the seafront?
[quote][p][bold]David Caten[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Caten[/bold] wrote: My earlier comment appears to have been removed and I can only assume it was removed because some one realised they have posted and printed incorrect information and its removal confirms this fact. There will be more Dave Caten[/p][/quote]It will not affect us in any way, we are a amateur sports club that aims to promote sailing as a sport . I am for the improvement of the seafront. I never intend to condem what other want to build without giving g it a lot of thought as we did when we proposed our project.. it is also totally wrong for people to make unfounded accusations about something they know nothing about especially when it is not even complete If the council give permission for the restaurant they will still need to go down all the avenues that we did. It's not quick, it's not cheap, but it has to be done[/p][/quote]in what universe is erecting this eyesore an improvement to the seafront? profondo asbo

12:02pm Sun 9 Feb 14

profondo asbo says...

Thumper45 wrote:
To those tactless people complaining about the aesthetics of the structure, claiming it ruins the view of the sea from the cliffs. You are entitled to your opinion but even if you are an architect your opinion still makes no difference at all.
This building went through all the necessary stages of the planning process and this did include giving the public a chance to object, I know for a fact that this project was publicised in a local paper BEFORE it was granted planning permission.
The councils decision to reject the application for the floating restaurant may or may not demonstrate inconsistency in their planning policies, and the local planning officers decision making. However this should not lead to defamatory articles about clubs that contribute to local community.
so re-reading your post - the ramshackle abortion is a sweet eff you with love from all at teyc?
[quote][p][bold]Thumper45[/bold] wrote: To those tactless people complaining about the aesthetics of the structure, claiming it ruins the view of the sea from the cliffs. You are entitled to your opinion but even if you are an architect your opinion still makes no difference at all. This building went through all the necessary stages of the planning process and this did include giving the public a chance to object, I know for a fact that this project was publicised in a local paper BEFORE it was granted planning permission. The councils decision to reject the application for the floating restaurant may or may not demonstrate inconsistency in their planning policies, and the local planning officers decision making. However this should not lead to defamatory articles about clubs that contribute to local community.[/p][/quote]so re-reading your post - the ramshackle abortion is a sweet eff you with love from all at teyc? profondo asbo

12:03pm Sun 9 Feb 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

David Caten wrote:
My earlier comment appears to have been removed and I can only assume it was removed because some one realised they have posted and printed incorrect information and its removal confirms this fact.
There will be more
Dave Caten
Its still there...i can see it.
[quote][p][bold]David Caten[/bold] wrote: My earlier comment appears to have been removed and I can only assume it was removed because some one realised they have posted and printed incorrect information and its removal confirms this fact. There will be more Dave Caten[/p][/quote]Its still there...i can see it. DogsMessInLeigh

12:04pm Sun 9 Feb 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

David Caten wrote:
Yes a very logical comment just like the others. Looks like it will fall down in a storm.You obviously live in another country. We have had worst storms for 100 years an no damage whatsoever.
It took about 3 years of preparation to gain approval. Prior to council approval it was approved by the environmental agency, Natural England prior to going to Southend planning. It was advertised in the local press twice for one month on each occasions. Not one person contacted us or asked to view plans or put forward any objections, It then went for approval by the MMO but I guess you won't have a clue who that is! MARINE MANAGMENT ORGANISATION. Who have to approve all building on the foreshore after council approval. Pushed through, I really don't think so. May be you should look into the good that all the local yacht clubs do and may be read the papers more thoroughly. But then you would have nothing to base your factles rumours on.
Dave Caten TEYC
Here.
[quote][p][bold]David Caten[/bold] wrote: Yes a very logical comment just like the others. Looks like it will fall down in a storm.You obviously live in another country. We have had worst storms for 100 years an no damage whatsoever. It took about 3 years of preparation to gain approval. Prior to council approval it was approved by the environmental agency, Natural England prior to going to Southend planning. It was advertised in the local press twice for one month on each occasions. Not one person contacted us or asked to view plans or put forward any objections, It then went for approval by the MMO but I guess you won't have a clue who that is! MARINE MANAGMENT ORGANISATION. Who have to approve all building on the foreshore after council approval. Pushed through, I really don't think so. May be you should look into the good that all the local yacht clubs do and may be read the papers more thoroughly. But then you would have nothing to base your factles rumours on. Dave Caten TEYC[/p][/quote]Here. DogsMessInLeigh

2:44pm Sun 9 Feb 14

iknowbetter says...

thamesboy wrote:
iknowbetter wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
brother can you spare a wrecking ball?
You might not need one, that building really dosn't look like it will live past this weekend or may well look very different if the weather men have it right.
And of course, you know all about building no doubt!!!
As it happens yes I do. :)
[quote][p][bold]thamesboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: brother can you spare a wrecking ball?[/p][/quote]You might not need one, that building really dosn't look like it will live past this weekend or may well look very different if the weather men have it right.[/p][/quote]And of course, you know all about building no doubt!!![/p][/quote]As it happens yes I do. :) iknowbetter

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