South Essex councillors defend their use of Twitter

Echo: Tony Ball Tony Ball

AFTER a number of embarrasing political rows on social media, you might be forgiven for thinking Twitter is a dirty word among councillors.

The latest spat involved Gavin Callaghan and fellow councillors Phil and Pat Rackley, and is now being investigated by Basildon Council.

As one of the internet’s fastest-growing phenomena, Twitter has become the place to follow celebrities.

Many post warts-and-all comments on the world – and all the gaffes and meltdowns that come with it.

But despite controversy created by tweets, most of the major political movers and shakers in the country now have a Twitter account.

When you can tap into an almost unlimited number of your constituents in any one given area, why wouldn’t you?

South Basildon and East Thurrock Tory MP Stephen Metcalfe recently joined the site and already has more than 300 followers.

Would-be Labour MP Mr Callaghan has also joined the site. His rapid rise in politics has seen him selected as his party’s candidate for John Baron’s Basildon and Billericay seat in 2015.

Mr Callaghan has a chequered history on Twitter – he recentlymade an apology after being taken to a standards board for comments made about political rival Pat Rackley.

But he believes the power of social media helped him win his Pitsea North West seat back in 2012, and helps to hold the ruling Tory party to account. He said: “There is no doubt in Basildon, senior officers and councillors would have preferred it if my Twitter account never existed.

“They have been forced to answer questions on things which would have otherwise gone unnoticed – things like justifying the expense of guests invited to the mayor’s civic dinner.

“One of the biggest advantages for me as a Labour politician is Twitter is free.

“It costs me nothing to write messages, which can potentially be seen by thousands of people in Basildon.”

Mr Callaghan is unapologetic about his online conduct – something he feels should be applauded, not vilified.

He added: “Have I criticised Tory councillors on Twitter?

Yes. Will I do it again? Yes.

“What’s the problem with that? I don’t mince my words on or offline, and surely that is a breath of fresh air in modern- day politics?”

Meanwhile, Mr Metcalfe believes it has helped bring him closer to his constituents.

He said: “I joined Twitter primarily to make me more accessible as a politician.

“Twitter helps to democratise the world of Westminster by levelling the playing field and giving followers the chance to hear first hand about the opinions and activities of politicians. That is something which used to be the preserve of journalists.

“Equally, I also joined to keep up-to-date with local people, events, organisations and charities. It works both ways.”

Tony Ball, Tory leader of Basildon Council, started tweeting on the site in 2012.

He said: “I think it is a great tool for local people to find out what is going on with their council and what councillors are doing.

“I want to keep most of the stuff I post local and relevant to the area’s people. I will keep my private thoughts separate to that. You won’t see me tweeting about Tottenham Hotspur, for example.

“I think, as a politician, you have to be disciplined and careful.

“I’ve had a few people get in touch with me about issues, but I respond to them in private.”

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5:53pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Howard Cháse says...

They should use the brain cell they employ for twitting on actual important Council matters rather than calling each other names and acting like stupid teenagers
They should use the brain cell they employ for twitting on actual important Council matters rather than calling each other names and acting like stupid teenagers Howard Cháse

7:55pm Sat 8 Feb 14

ThisYear says...

Tony Ball said: "I think, as a politician, you have to be disciplined and
careful"

For that read deceitful!
Tony Ball said: "I think, as a politician, you have to be disciplined and careful" For that read deceitful! ThisYear

8:12pm Sat 8 Feb 14

stonybrig says...

It does not take a awful lot for them to look like twits,they say so much C**p when they want your votes but dont seem to back it up when they get voted in so how can we believe them in the first place !!!
It does not take a awful lot for them to look like twits,they say so much C**p when they want your votes but dont seem to back it up when they get voted in so how can we believe them in the first place !!! stonybrig

9:03am Sun 9 Feb 14

Mrs Bennett says...

Whilst using social media to express a political opinion is fine and valid, use of twitter to make personal rather than political points is clearly not O.K!
Whilst using social media to express a political opinion is fine and valid, use of twitter to make personal rather than political points is clearly not O.K! Mrs Bennett

9:07am Sun 9 Feb 14

profondo asbo says...

gavin callaghan is unfit to hold any public office and you can stick that on your twitter feed.
gavin callaghan is unfit to hold any public office and you can stick that on your twitter feed. profondo asbo

9:58am Sun 9 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

"They have been forced to answer questions on things which would have otherwise gone unnoticed – things like justifying the expense of guests invited to the mayor’s civic dinner.

“One of the biggest advantages for me as a Labour politician is Twitter is free."

The word that immediately jumps out at me in the above paragraph is "forced"... this sums up exactly Callaghan's bull in a China shop attitude towards his politics. "Forcing" people to accept his politics and view whatever their own opinions are and if they do not comply, he goes to town on them with false accusations, personal comments, conjecture and his own particular brand of animosity. This it seems, is the hallmark of the Left. Bully or make up lies about those who disagree with you, for self aggrandisement reasons.

As for the mayor's expenses, Callaghan appears to have a strange preoccupation with the mayor and rarely delves into other politicians' expenses. It is a matter of public knowledge that the mayor does not claim expenses and pays for events herself. She pays for prizes, food and all manner of associated items.

Also it's a matter of interest he readily criticises opposition but rarely looks into his own party's record when it comes to expenses and wastes of money and god knows, Basildon has a history of Labour waste, something the Tories had to put right when they returned to office. Callaghan was not around during that period so he needs to do his research if his remarks are going to be balanced.

Callaghan it seems, cannot take it when it's dished out - and he rapidly needs to learn that, in politics, you have to take it on the chin. Criticism that is, not uncalled for personal attacks. That should never happen from any side of the house.

He added: “Have I criticised Tory councillors on Twitter?

Yes. Will I do it again? Yes.

“What’s the problem with that? I don’t mince my words on or offline, and surely that is a breath of fresh air in modern- day politics?”

There is nothing wrong with healthy criticism but Callaghan's comments are rarely a "breath of fresh air", spiked as they are with contempt, vitriol and sheer hatred for anyone he doesn't agree with. If, as he claims, there is nothing wrong with healthy criticism, then why does he not accord the same right to his opponents? As for "healthy" criticism, that is a matter of opinion.

What Callaghan doesn't realise that in politics you conduct yourself at all times with good manners and consideration for others, even respect. Something he and his ilk do not understand. A willingness to listen to - and accept that others do not always share his politics or opinions - would be of huge advantage to an up and coming politician.

Unfortunately Callaghan does not possess these fine qualities.

He prefers instead to use social networking to attack his political opponents and anyone else who dares to disagree with him. Then gets all bent out of shape when somebody retaliates. Actually he expects no opposition and appears to think everybody should kowtow.

In the real world, this is not going to happen. There is no place for spoilt brat attitudes and truculence in politics. Dignity, always dignity. Politicians are first and foremost PUBLIC SERVANTS and need to remember that at all times. They are not there for personal gain, vanity or self promotion.

For example, the minute I challenged his views, he took to his Twitter page attacking me even though we have never been formally introduced, nor had a conversation, preferring instead to dredge up very old and very tatty, licentious, libellous and ridiculous garbage off the internet that bears no relation to who I actually am.

Callaghan is a researcher for anti trolling MP Steve Rotheram yet regularly "trolls" people whose politics do not concur with his own, via social networking. I wonder if Steve Rotheram, who is MP for Liverpool Walton.. is aware of this.

Rather than conduct his politics in the time-honoured way, in the council chamber, he launches vitriolic attacks via his Twitter page on both private citizens and those whose politics he doesn't like. He'd rather do it from behind the keyboard because in the council chamber he rarely speaks except to respond in his hallmark surly, arrogant way. Or take to his phone to do his Tweeting instead of paying full attention to the proceedings as he is paid by the public to do.

As a "researcher" for a prominent MP, he rarely does any ACTUAL research beyond reading old rubbish that has been on the internet for ages, doing the rounds and augmented by the usual band of seething, hatefilled lefties. He's usually too busy on Twitter, via his phone in council meetings.

For example, if he had been a good "researcher" he would have discovered that I am in fact a volunteer for Gateway rather than an employee and that the things he has accused me of saying on air I actually said on the Echo website.

This was a comment I made a few weeks ago with regard to "Labour's disastrous 13 year reign causing more harm to this country than Hitler ever dreamed of". A view, I might add, shared by millions if my own experience in politics is anything to go by. I stand by that view and always will, whether he likes it or not.

Maybe Callaghan chooses to ignore others' views but he was near hysterical over that comment even trying to dictate to the radio station who they should or should not employ. As if it's anything to do with Callaghan. Who does he think he is? I enjoy a good, healthy relationship with all sorts of people at the radio station and just because he gets his facts wrong he thinks he can dictate. No sorry mate, that's not in your remit. You are not an employer and I am not an employee and even if you were, you'd be subject to the law of the land. When at the radio station I have to conduct myself by Ofcom rules or I'd be out on my lughole like anyone else. And who they "employ" either as a volunteer or otherwise is a matter for them, not for interfering politicians. God forbid.

If he took the time to listen, he would have heard my views. However, it seems his local radio station is not on his agenda.

He has been invited to comment on the radio several times but always declines, on the grounds that he thinks it's "right wing" when in fact Gateway, like other radio stations is bound by strict Ofcom rules that do not allow anything libellous or personally insulting. Nor do they encourage political bias. He'd find that out if he ever "researched" anything.

All sorts of politicians have appeared on air, from all parties, including his own group leader, so what's so special about Callaghan that he looks down his nose at a local radio station?

For the record, I did make a broadcast about Twitter and Facebook trolling but never made the Hitler comment during that interview. Nor did I mention him or his ilk. And even if I had made the Hitler comment, it is merely opinion and therefore not subject to Ofcom rules (as long as I am not libelling or personally insulting anyone, which I didn't).

And in any case, I doubt Callaghan even listens to Gateway if he regards it as "right wing". Gateway has many volunteers mainly youngsters from all sorts of backgrounds who work with the rest of us to make the station interesting and lively. Gateway is not right, nor is it left.

Also Callaghan has regurgitated untrue lies and rumours about things I have said on facebook (I don't even have an account any more) and put it around that I am ex EDL and BNP... and these facts are checkable. In reality I have never been a member of either. This is easily researchable. Or he could ask me himself instead of the rather unparliamentary route he went down - putting his mobile number on here and asking me to contact him for a "chat". Not the normal or acceptable actions of an up and coming politician. Furthermore since I have never responded, as I prefer to talk to people face to face (which he has the opportunity) he goes back on Twitter to attack me again.

And even if I had been a BNP or EDL member, which I haven't, it would be none of his business. And love it or hate it, the BNP is a bona fide political party. However, I have never associated myself with either organisation.

If Callaghan is to maintain any kind of credibility as a politician he needs to learn a few good lessons. The first one being that because people don't agree with his politics, it doesn't make them monsters and nor does it give him any right to label them with "isms" or make false accusations about them. Most lefties would do well to remember this.

Any good politician will be found on the doorsteps of his local residents dealing with mundane, everyday issues that affect their lives, not probing into "expenses" that are already on public record for all to see, looking for things that aren't there.. like for example, the mayoral portrait and chain of office, neither of which were funded from public money.

A good politician will be able to deal with and expedite queries and problems from those who elected them,getting their sleeves rolled up and getting active instead of handing out spurious leaflets decrying their opponents or attacking them online.

A good politician does not personally attack,slander or personally insult other politicians or private individuals -and conducts his or herself with dignity.

A good politician engages in lively, healthy political debate and by all means, points out the transgressions of their opponents without the need for false accusation or slanderous comments. Or personal attacks on social networking.

But a good politician will conversely, learn to accept that he or she is not always right and that his or her opinions and politics do not always match those of others. They will accept their differences and work together for the good of those they serve.

Most of all, a good politician will have the humility, grace and good manners to accept when he or she is in the wrong and to be able to apologise for it properly and with dignity, not apologise in one breath then say "but I was right anyway" in the other.

That is no kind of an apology.

Callaghan needs lessons in humility, understanding and needs to show some humanity. He needs to learn that in politics, robust debate is absolutely necessary but that it does not need to be made into some kind of fairground sideshow for the delectation of all and sundry. Verbal fistfights are unseemly in politics.

If he is to stand as PPC against John Baron, he needs to realise that everything he says and does will be the subject of public scrutiny. The public do not like their politicians to waste time on pointless "investigations" or slanging matches. They want ACTION and they want to be listened to. Not have individual politicians' personal views or dislikes rammed down their throats. What will Callaghan do or say when on the doorstep of a voter who clearly detests the Labour party and all it stands for? Launch a personal attack on them?

And once and or all, for the record, I have been a member of the English Democrats, leaving of my own accord when they started to take in ex BNP types, then UKIP, letting my membership lapse two years ago because I hated the left v right infighting and the hostility shown to anyone who dared put their own point of view forward, particularly female. UKIP has some excellent local politicians, however, there are a few unsavoury characters, including local ones that I find it hard to stomach. Some of them hang round the fringe of the party making personal attacks from behind their keyboards yet never putting themselves up for public office or using their time in a positive way. They know who they are.

I have NEVER been ejected from either party, nor have I been a member of or affiliated with, the EDL.

I have stood for parliament twice and served as a Billericay town councillor once. And if Callaghan wants to probe my four years of office for expenses, I can save him the trouble. I claimed only once, for petrol, for a journey outside the area. And in any case, town councillors do not get paid a "salary". They are volunteers. Something I have done a lot of, unlike Callaghan it seems.

I have campaigned with many politicians, been involved in legitimate anti EU protests including 24 October 2011 when a large number of different groups and party members including UKIP converged on Westminster for the referendum debate.

However, I suggest that Callaghan now takes his role more seriously and takes up the day to day duties, however unglamorous they are, of a local councillor - and not the statesman he appears to think he is. True statesmen, including past Labour ones, have had one thing in common, an adherence to the original ideology behind their party, honour, dignity and an understanding of others. Something that should be there in the heart of any decent politician from the outset. A desire to serve ALL the community, including those who disagree with them.

Not engage in unseemly and personal attacks in an attempt to big themselves up in the eyes of the voting public. The voting public of Basildon are not stupid and can form their own opinions without being browbeaten.

Furthermore, for the record, I do NOT nor do I intend to, belong to any political party or organisation. I have friends who are politicians from different political backgrounds and do not always agree with them either.

I detest all party politics and now vote for individuals based on my judgement of their ability to do the job - and whether or not they are of good character. I certainly don't base it on their Twitter account.

Finally, despite Labour's best efforts during their 13 year reign of terror, there is still freedom of speech in this country and I will continue to exercise it until I draw my last breath.

Whether others like it or not. And as I am not a politician, so have nothing to prove one way or the other.
"They have been forced to answer questions on things which would have otherwise gone unnoticed – things like justifying the expense of guests invited to the mayor’s civic dinner. “One of the biggest advantages for me as a Labour politician is Twitter is free." The word that immediately jumps out at me in the above paragraph is "forced"... this sums up exactly Callaghan's bull in a China shop attitude towards his politics. "Forcing" people to accept his politics and view whatever their own opinions are and if they do not comply, he goes to town on them with false accusations, personal comments, conjecture and his own particular brand of animosity. This it seems, is the hallmark of the Left. Bully or make up lies about those who disagree with you, for self aggrandisement reasons. As for the mayor's expenses, Callaghan appears to have a strange preoccupation with the mayor and rarely delves into other politicians' expenses. It is a matter of public knowledge that the mayor does not claim expenses and pays for events herself. She pays for prizes, food and all manner of associated items. Also it's a matter of interest he readily criticises opposition but rarely looks into his own party's record when it comes to expenses and wastes of money and god knows, Basildon has a history of Labour waste, something the Tories had to put right when they returned to office. Callaghan was not around during that period so he needs to do his research if his remarks are going to be balanced. Callaghan it seems, cannot take it when it's dished out - and he rapidly needs to learn that, in politics, you have to take it on the chin. Criticism that is, not uncalled for personal attacks. That should never happen from any side of the house. He added: “Have I criticised Tory councillors on Twitter? Yes. Will I do it again? Yes. “What’s the problem with that? I don’t mince my words on or offline, and surely that is a breath of fresh air in modern- day politics?” There is nothing wrong with healthy criticism but Callaghan's comments are rarely a "breath of fresh air", spiked as they are with contempt, vitriol and sheer hatred for anyone he doesn't agree with. If, as he claims, there is nothing wrong with healthy criticism, then why does he not accord the same right to his opponents? As for "healthy" criticism, that is a matter of opinion. What Callaghan doesn't realise that in politics you conduct yourself at all times with good manners and consideration for others, even respect. Something he and his ilk do not understand. A willingness to listen to - and accept that others do not always share his politics or opinions - would be of huge advantage to an up and coming politician. Unfortunately Callaghan does not possess these fine qualities. He prefers instead to use social networking to attack his political opponents and anyone else who dares to disagree with him. Then gets all bent out of shape when somebody retaliates. Actually he expects no opposition and appears to think everybody should kowtow. In the real world, this is not going to happen. There is no place for spoilt brat attitudes and truculence in politics. Dignity, always dignity. Politicians are first and foremost PUBLIC SERVANTS and need to remember that at all times. They are not there for personal gain, vanity or self promotion. For example, the minute I challenged his views, he took to his Twitter page attacking me even though we have never been formally introduced, nor had a conversation, preferring instead to dredge up very old and very tatty, licentious, libellous and ridiculous garbage off the internet that bears no relation to who I actually am. Callaghan is a researcher for anti trolling MP Steve Rotheram yet regularly "trolls" people whose politics do not concur with his own, via social networking. I wonder if Steve Rotheram, who is MP for Liverpool Walton.. is aware of this. Rather than conduct his politics in the time-honoured way, in the council chamber, he launches vitriolic attacks via his Twitter page on both private citizens and those whose politics he doesn't like. He'd rather do it from behind the keyboard because in the council chamber he rarely speaks except to respond in his hallmark surly, arrogant way. Or take to his phone to do his Tweeting instead of paying full attention to the proceedings as he is paid by the public to do. As a "researcher" for a prominent MP, he rarely does any ACTUAL research beyond reading old rubbish that has been on the internet for ages, doing the rounds and augmented by the usual band of seething, hatefilled lefties. He's usually too busy on Twitter, via his phone in council meetings. For example, if he had been a good "researcher" he would have discovered that I am in fact a volunteer for Gateway rather than an employee and that the things he has accused me of saying on air I actually said on the Echo website. This was a comment I made a few weeks ago with regard to "Labour's disastrous 13 year reign causing more harm to this country than Hitler ever dreamed of". A view, I might add, shared by millions if my own experience in politics is anything to go by. I stand by that view and always will, whether he likes it or not. Maybe Callaghan chooses to ignore others' views but he was near hysterical over that comment even trying to dictate to the radio station who they should or should not employ. As if it's anything to do with Callaghan. Who does he think he is? I enjoy a good, healthy relationship with all sorts of people at the radio station and just because he gets his facts wrong he thinks he can dictate. No sorry mate, that's not in your remit. You are not an employer and I am not an employee and even if you were, you'd be subject to the law of the land. When at the radio station I have to conduct myself by Ofcom rules or I'd be out on my lughole like anyone else. And who they "employ" either as a volunteer or otherwise is a matter for them, not for interfering politicians. God forbid. If he took the time to listen, he would have heard my views. However, it seems his local radio station is not on his agenda. He has been invited to comment on the radio several times but always declines, on the grounds that he thinks it's "right wing" when in fact Gateway, like other radio stations is bound by strict Ofcom rules that do not allow anything libellous or personally insulting. Nor do they encourage political bias. He'd find that out if he ever "researched" anything. All sorts of politicians have appeared on air, from all parties, including his own group leader, so what's so special about Callaghan that he looks down his nose at a local radio station? For the record, I did make a broadcast about Twitter and Facebook trolling but never made the Hitler comment during that interview. Nor did I mention him or his ilk. And even if I had made the Hitler comment, it is merely opinion and therefore not subject to Ofcom rules (as long as I am not libelling or personally insulting anyone, which I didn't). And in any case, I doubt Callaghan even listens to Gateway if he regards it as "right wing". Gateway has many volunteers mainly youngsters from all sorts of backgrounds who work with the rest of us to make the station interesting and lively. Gateway is not right, nor is it left. Also Callaghan has regurgitated untrue lies and rumours about things I have said on facebook (I don't even have an account any more) and put it around that I am ex EDL and BNP... and these facts are checkable. In reality I have never been a member of either. This is easily researchable. Or he could ask me himself instead of the rather unparliamentary route he went down - putting his mobile number on here and asking me to contact him for a "chat". Not the normal or acceptable actions of an up and coming politician. Furthermore since I have never responded, as I prefer to talk to people face to face (which he has the opportunity) he goes back on Twitter to attack me again. And even if I had been a BNP or EDL member, which I haven't, it would be none of his business. And love it or hate it, the BNP is a bona fide political party. However, I have never associated myself with either organisation. If Callaghan is to maintain any kind of credibility as a politician he needs to learn a few good lessons. The first one being that because people don't agree with his politics, it doesn't make them monsters and nor does it give him any right to label them with "isms" or make false accusations about them. Most lefties would do well to remember this. Any good politician will be found on the doorsteps of his local residents dealing with mundane, everyday issues that affect their lives, not probing into "expenses" that are already on public record for all to see, looking for things that aren't there.. like for example, the mayoral portrait and chain of office, neither of which were funded from public money. A good politician will be able to deal with and expedite queries and problems from those who elected them,getting their sleeves rolled up and getting active instead of handing out spurious leaflets decrying their opponents or attacking them online. A good politician does not personally attack,slander or personally insult other politicians or private individuals -and conducts his or herself with dignity. A good politician engages in lively, healthy political debate and by all means, points out the transgressions of their opponents without the need for false accusation or slanderous comments. Or personal attacks on social networking. But a good politician will conversely, learn to accept that he or she is not always right and that his or her opinions and politics do not always match those of others. They will accept their differences and work together for the good of those they serve. Most of all, a good politician will have the humility, grace and good manners to accept when he or she is in the wrong and to be able to apologise for it properly and with dignity, not apologise in one breath then say "but I was right anyway" in the other. That is no kind of an apology. Callaghan needs lessons in humility, understanding and needs to show some humanity. He needs to learn that in politics, robust debate is absolutely necessary but that it does not need to be made into some kind of fairground sideshow for the delectation of all and sundry. Verbal fistfights are unseemly in politics. If he is to stand as PPC against John Baron, he needs to realise that everything he says and does will be the subject of public scrutiny. The public do not like their politicians to waste time on pointless "investigations" or slanging matches. They want ACTION and they want to be listened to. Not have individual politicians' personal views or dislikes rammed down their throats. What will Callaghan do or say when on the doorstep of a voter who clearly detests the Labour party and all it stands for? Launch a personal attack on them? And once and or all, for the record, I have been a member of the English Democrats, leaving of my own accord when they started to take in ex BNP types, then UKIP, letting my membership lapse two years ago because I hated the left v right infighting and the hostility shown to anyone who dared put their own point of view forward, particularly female. UKIP has some excellent local politicians, however, there are a few unsavoury characters, including local ones that I find it hard to stomach. Some of them hang round the fringe of the party making personal attacks from behind their keyboards yet never putting themselves up for public office or using their time in a positive way. They know who they are. I have NEVER been ejected from either party, nor have I been a member of or affiliated with, the EDL. I have stood for parliament twice and served as a Billericay town councillor once. And if Callaghan wants to probe my four years of office for expenses, I can save him the trouble. I claimed only once, for petrol, for a journey outside the area. And in any case, town councillors do not get paid a "salary". They are volunteers. Something I have done a lot of, unlike Callaghan it seems. I have campaigned with many politicians, been involved in legitimate anti EU protests including 24 October 2011 when a large number of different groups and party members including UKIP converged on Westminster for the referendum debate. However, I suggest that Callaghan now takes his role more seriously and takes up the day to day duties, however unglamorous they are, of a local councillor - and not the statesman he appears to think he is. True statesmen, including past Labour ones, have had one thing in common, an adherence to the original ideology behind their party, honour, dignity and an understanding of others. Something that should be there in the heart of any decent politician from the outset. A desire to serve ALL the community, including those who disagree with them. Not engage in unseemly and personal attacks in an attempt to big themselves up in the eyes of the voting public. The voting public of Basildon are not stupid and can form their own opinions without being browbeaten. Furthermore, for the record, I do NOT nor do I intend to, belong to any political party or organisation. I have friends who are politicians from different political backgrounds and do not always agree with them either. I detest all party politics and now vote for individuals based on my judgement of their ability to do the job - and whether or not they are of good character. I certainly don't base it on their Twitter account. Finally, despite Labour's best efforts during their 13 year reign of terror, there is still freedom of speech in this country and I will continue to exercise it until I draw my last breath. Whether others like it or not. And as I am not a politician, so have nothing to prove one way or the other. Kim Gandy

9:59am Sun 9 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

stonybrig wrote:
It does not take a awful lot for them to look like twits,they say so much C**p when they want your votes but dont seem to back it up when they get voted in so how can we believe them in the first place !!!
On the strength of this - and the other comments above which are representative of many views - I rest my case.
[quote][p][bold]stonybrig[/bold] wrote: It does not take a awful lot for them to look like twits,they say so much C**p when they want your votes but dont seem to back it up when they get voted in so how can we believe them in the first place !!![/p][/quote]On the strength of this - and the other comments above which are representative of many views - I rest my case. Kim Gandy

10:03am Sun 9 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

Stephen Metcalfe says:

He said: “I joined Twitter primarily to make me more accessible as a politician.

*No it doesn't. They prefer to see their politicians in the flesh.

“Twitter helps to democratise the world of Westminster by levelling the playing field and giving followers the chance to hear first hand about the opinions and activities of politicians. That is something which used to be the preserve of journalists.

*No, they can access "Theyworkforyou" to get the day to day goings on from their MP's perspective.

“Equally, I also joined to keep up-to-date with local people, events, organisations and charities. It works both ways.”

No, the "local people" would prefer you to be more actively involved, even if it's just an hour of your time.

Like getting involved in a public debate with ALL of your 2015 opponents so they can have an INFORMED opinion, rather than refusing.
Stephen Metcalfe says: He said: “I joined Twitter primarily to make me more accessible as a politician. *No it doesn't. They prefer to see their politicians in the flesh. “Twitter helps to democratise the world of Westminster by levelling the playing field and giving followers the chance to hear first hand about the opinions and activities of politicians. That is something which used to be the preserve of journalists. *No, they can access "Theyworkforyou" to get the day to day goings on from their MP's perspective. “Equally, I also joined to keep up-to-date with local people, events, organisations and charities. It works both ways.” No, the "local people" would prefer you to be more actively involved, even if it's just an hour of your time. Like getting involved in a public debate with ALL of your 2015 opponents so they can have an INFORMED opinion, rather than refusing. Kim Gandy

10:04am Sun 9 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

ThisYear wrote:
Tony Ball said: "I think, as a politician, you have to be disciplined and
careful"

For that read deceitful!
What, you mean like personally attacking people via social networking? Whatever his faults, I do not recall Ball ever doing that.

Now come on, show some balance in your comments.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: Tony Ball said: "I think, as a politician, you have to be disciplined and careful" For that read deceitful![/p][/quote]What, you mean like personally attacking people via social networking? Whatever his faults, I do not recall Ball ever doing that. Now come on, show some balance in your comments. Kim Gandy

11:02am Sun 9 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

...oh and politics in the pub? An idea ripped off from Nigel Farage, somebody whose politics Callaghan surely detests... and actually he is not the first in Basildon to do that.

I did that during the 2005 election when I stood for the English Democrats - in the Moon on the Square, with a documentary camera crew in tow.

Chatting to people in a pub is a whole lot different to the doorstep and indeed to communicating via social networking.

For a start there will be no question of personally attacking anyone whose views do not concur with yours.
...oh and politics in the pub? An idea ripped off from Nigel Farage, somebody whose politics Callaghan surely detests... and actually he is not the first in Basildon to do that. I did that during the 2005 election when I stood for the English Democrats - in the Moon on the Square, with a documentary camera crew in tow. Chatting to people in a pub is a whole lot different to the doorstep and indeed to communicating via social networking. For a start there will be no question of personally attacking anyone whose views do not concur with yours. Kim Gandy

11:57am Sun 9 Feb 14

Howard Cháse says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
...oh and politics in the pub? An idea ripped off from Nigel Farage, somebody whose politics Callaghan surely detests... and actually he is not the first in Basildon to do that.

I did that during the 2005 election when I stood for the English Democrats - in the Moon on the Square, with a documentary camera crew in tow.

Chatting to people in a pub is a whole lot different to the doorstep and indeed to communicating via social networking.

For a start there will be no question of personally attacking anyone whose views do not concur with yours.
Had a nice chat with Neil Kinnock to once in the Towngate Theatre Bar.

Lionel oops I mean Tony Blair steered well clear of the bar though.

David Aimless ran away like a startled deer every time he dared step into the place.....
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ...oh and politics in the pub? An idea ripped off from Nigel Farage, somebody whose politics Callaghan surely detests... and actually he is not the first in Basildon to do that. I did that during the 2005 election when I stood for the English Democrats - in the Moon on the Square, with a documentary camera crew in tow. Chatting to people in a pub is a whole lot different to the doorstep and indeed to communicating via social networking. For a start there will be no question of personally attacking anyone whose views do not concur with yours.[/p][/quote]Had a nice chat with Neil Kinnock to once in the Towngate Theatre Bar. Lionel oops I mean Tony Blair steered well clear of the bar though. David Aimless ran away like a startled deer every time he dared step into the place..... Howard Cháse

6:30pm Sun 9 Feb 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
"They have been forced to answer questions on things which would have otherwise gone unnoticed – things like justifying the expense of guests invited to the mayor’s civic dinner.

“One of the biggest advantages for me as a Labour politician is Twitter is free."

The word that immediately jumps out at me in the above paragraph is "forced"... this sums up exactly Callaghan's bull in a China shop attitude towards his politics. "Forcing" people to accept his politics and view whatever their own opinions are and if they do not comply, he goes to town on them with false accusations, personal comments, conjecture and his own particular brand of animosity. This it seems, is the hallmark of the Left. Bully or make up lies about those who disagree with you, for self aggrandisement reasons.

As for the mayor's expenses, Callaghan appears to have a strange preoccupation with the mayor and rarely delves into other politicians' expenses. It is a matter of public knowledge that the mayor does not claim expenses and pays for events herself. She pays for prizes, food and all manner of associated items.

Also it's a matter of interest he readily criticises opposition but rarely looks into his own party's record when it comes to expenses and wastes of money and god knows, Basildon has a history of Labour waste, something the Tories had to put right when they returned to office. Callaghan was not around during that period so he needs to do his research if his remarks are going to be balanced.

Callaghan it seems, cannot take it when it's dished out - and he rapidly needs to learn that, in politics, you have to take it on the chin. Criticism that is, not uncalled for personal attacks. That should never happen from any side of the house.

He added: “Have I criticised Tory councillors on Twitter?

Yes. Will I do it again? Yes.

“What’s the problem with that? I don’t mince my words on or offline, and surely that is a breath of fresh air in modern- day politics?”

There is nothing wrong with healthy criticism but Callaghan's comments are rarely a "breath of fresh air", spiked as they are with contempt, vitriol and sheer hatred for anyone he doesn't agree with. If, as he claims, there is nothing wrong with healthy criticism, then why does he not accord the same right to his opponents? As for "healthy" criticism, that is a matter of opinion.

What Callaghan doesn't realise that in politics you conduct yourself at all times with good manners and consideration for others, even respect. Something he and his ilk do not understand. A willingness to listen to - and accept that others do not always share his politics or opinions - would be of huge advantage to an up and coming politician.

Unfortunately Callaghan does not possess these fine qualities.

He prefers instead to use social networking to attack his political opponents and anyone else who dares to disagree with him. Then gets all bent out of shape when somebody retaliates. Actually he expects no opposition and appears to think everybody should kowtow.

In the real world, this is not going to happen. There is no place for spoilt brat attitudes and truculence in politics. Dignity, always dignity. Politicians are first and foremost PUBLIC SERVANTS and need to remember that at all times. They are not there for personal gain, vanity or self promotion.

For example, the minute I challenged his views, he took to his Twitter page attacking me even though we have never been formally introduced, nor had a conversation, preferring instead to dredge up very old and very tatty, licentious, libellous and ridiculous garbage off the internet that bears no relation to who I actually am.

Callaghan is a researcher for anti trolling MP Steve Rotheram yet regularly "trolls" people whose politics do not concur with his own, via social networking. I wonder if Steve Rotheram, who is MP for Liverpool Walton.. is aware of this.

Rather than conduct his politics in the time-honoured way, in the council chamber, he launches vitriolic attacks via his Twitter page on both private citizens and those whose politics he doesn't like. He'd rather do it from behind the keyboard because in the council chamber he rarely speaks except to respond in his hallmark surly, arrogant way. Or take to his phone to do his Tweeting instead of paying full attention to the proceedings as he is paid by the public to do.

As a "researcher" for a prominent MP, he rarely does any ACTUAL research beyond reading old rubbish that has been on the internet for ages, doing the rounds and augmented by the usual band of seething, hatefilled lefties. He's usually too busy on Twitter, via his phone in council meetings.

For example, if he had been a good "researcher" he would have discovered that I am in fact a volunteer for Gateway rather than an employee and that the things he has accused me of saying on air I actually said on the Echo website.

This was a comment I made a few weeks ago with regard to "Labour's disastrous 13 year reign causing more harm to this country than Hitler ever dreamed of". A view, I might add, shared by millions if my own experience in politics is anything to go by. I stand by that view and always will, whether he likes it or not.

Maybe Callaghan chooses to ignore others' views but he was near hysterical over that comment even trying to dictate to the radio station who they should or should not employ. As if it's anything to do with Callaghan. Who does he think he is? I enjoy a good, healthy relationship with all sorts of people at the radio station and just because he gets his facts wrong he thinks he can dictate. No sorry mate, that's not in your remit. You are not an employer and I am not an employee and even if you were, you'd be subject to the law of the land. When at the radio station I have to conduct myself by Ofcom rules or I'd be out on my lughole like anyone else. And who they "employ" either as a volunteer or otherwise is a matter for them, not for interfering politicians. God forbid.

If he took the time to listen, he would have heard my views. However, it seems his local radio station is not on his agenda.

He has been invited to comment on the radio several times but always declines, on the grounds that he thinks it's "right wing" when in fact Gateway, like other radio stations is bound by strict Ofcom rules that do not allow anything libellous or personally insulting. Nor do they encourage political bias. He'd find that out if he ever "researched" anything.

All sorts of politicians have appeared on air, from all parties, including his own group leader, so what's so special about Callaghan that he looks down his nose at a local radio station?

For the record, I did make a broadcast about Twitter and Facebook trolling but never made the Hitler comment during that interview. Nor did I mention him or his ilk. And even if I had made the Hitler comment, it is merely opinion and therefore not subject to Ofcom rules (as long as I am not libelling or personally insulting anyone, which I didn't).

And in any case, I doubt Callaghan even listens to Gateway if he regards it as "right wing". Gateway has many volunteers mainly youngsters from all sorts of backgrounds who work with the rest of us to make the station interesting and lively. Gateway is not right, nor is it left.

Also Callaghan has regurgitated untrue lies and rumours about things I have said on facebook (I don't even have an account any more) and put it around that I am ex EDL and BNP... and these facts are checkable. In reality I have never been a member of either. This is easily researchable. Or he could ask me himself instead of the rather unparliamentary route he went down - putting his mobile number on here and asking me to contact him for a "chat". Not the normal or acceptable actions of an up and coming politician. Furthermore since I have never responded, as I prefer to talk to people face to face (which he has the opportunity) he goes back on Twitter to attack me again.

And even if I had been a BNP or EDL member, which I haven't, it would be none of his business. And love it or hate it, the BNP is a bona fide political party. However, I have never associated myself with either organisation.

If Callaghan is to maintain any kind of credibility as a politician he needs to learn a few good lessons. The first one being that because people don't agree with his politics, it doesn't make them monsters and nor does it give him any right to label them with "isms" or make false accusations about them. Most lefties would do well to remember this.

Any good politician will be found on the doorsteps of his local residents dealing with mundane, everyday issues that affect their lives, not probing into "expenses" that are already on public record for all to see, looking for things that aren't there.. like for example, the mayoral portrait and chain of office, neither of which were funded from public money.

A good politician will be able to deal with and expedite queries and problems from those who elected them,getting their sleeves rolled up and getting active instead of handing out spurious leaflets decrying their opponents or attacking them online.

A good politician does not personally attack,slander or personally insult other politicians or private individuals -and conducts his or herself with dignity.

A good politician engages in lively, healthy political debate and by all means, points out the transgressions of their opponents without the need for false accusation or slanderous comments. Or personal attacks on social networking.

But a good politician will conversely, learn to accept that he or she is not always right and that his or her opinions and politics do not always match those of others. They will accept their differences and work together for the good of those they serve.

Most of all, a good politician will have the humility, grace and good manners to accept when he or she is in the wrong and to be able to apologise for it properly and with dignity, not apologise in one breath then say "but I was right anyway" in the other.

That is no kind of an apology.

Callaghan needs lessons in humility, understanding and needs to show some humanity. He needs to learn that in politics, robust debate is absolutely necessary but that it does not need to be made into some kind of fairground sideshow for the delectation of all and sundry. Verbal fistfights are unseemly in politics.

If he is to stand as PPC against John Baron, he needs to realise that everything he says and does will be the subject of public scrutiny. The public do not like their politicians to waste time on pointless "investigations" or slanging matches. They want ACTION and they want to be listened to. Not have individual politicians' personal views or dislikes rammed down their throats. What will Callaghan do or say when on the doorstep of a voter who clearly detests the Labour party and all it stands for? Launch a personal attack on them?

And once and or all, for the record, I have been a member of the English Democrats, leaving of my own accord when they started to take in ex BNP types, then UKIP, letting my membership lapse two years ago because I hated the left v right infighting and the hostility shown to anyone who dared put their own point of view forward, particularly female. UKIP has some excellent local politicians, however, there are a few unsavoury characters, including local ones that I find it hard to stomach. Some of them hang round the fringe of the party making personal attacks from behind their keyboards yet never putting themselves up for public office or using their time in a positive way. They know who they are.

I have NEVER been ejected from either party, nor have I been a member of or affiliated with, the EDL.

I have stood for parliament twice and served as a Billericay town councillor once. And if Callaghan wants to probe my four years of office for expenses, I can save him the trouble. I claimed only once, for petrol, for a journey outside the area. And in any case, town councillors do not get paid a "salary". They are volunteers. Something I have done a lot of, unlike Callaghan it seems.

I have campaigned with many politicians, been involved in legitimate anti EU protests including 24 October 2011 when a large number of different groups and party members including UKIP converged on Westminster for the referendum debate.

However, I suggest that Callaghan now takes his role more seriously and takes up the day to day duties, however unglamorous they are, of a local councillor - and not the statesman he appears to think he is. True statesmen, including past Labour ones, have had one thing in common, an adherence to the original ideology behind their party, honour, dignity and an understanding of others. Something that should be there in the heart of any decent politician from the outset. A desire to serve ALL the community, including those who disagree with them.

Not engage in unseemly and personal attacks in an attempt to big themselves up in the eyes of the voting public. The voting public of Basildon are not stupid and can form their own opinions without being browbeaten.

Furthermore, for the record, I do NOT nor do I intend to, belong to any political party or organisation. I have friends who are politicians from different political backgrounds and do not always agree with them either.

I detest all party politics and now vote for individuals based on my judgement of their ability to do the job - and whether or not they are of good character. I certainly don't base it on their Twitter account.

Finally, despite Labour's best efforts during their 13 year reign of terror, there is still freedom of speech in this country and I will continue to exercise it until I draw my last breath.

Whether others like it or not. And as I am not a politician, so have nothing to prove one way or the other.
Kim...pipe down

What is a political councillor? Can you advise as it seems you were once one.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: "They have been forced to answer questions on things which would have otherwise gone unnoticed – things like justifying the expense of guests invited to the mayor’s civic dinner. “One of the biggest advantages for me as a Labour politician is Twitter is free." The word that immediately jumps out at me in the above paragraph is "forced"... this sums up exactly Callaghan's bull in a China shop attitude towards his politics. "Forcing" people to accept his politics and view whatever their own opinions are and if they do not comply, he goes to town on them with false accusations, personal comments, conjecture and his own particular brand of animosity. This it seems, is the hallmark of the Left. Bully or make up lies about those who disagree with you, for self aggrandisement reasons. As for the mayor's expenses, Callaghan appears to have a strange preoccupation with the mayor and rarely delves into other politicians' expenses. It is a matter of public knowledge that the mayor does not claim expenses and pays for events herself. She pays for prizes, food and all manner of associated items. Also it's a matter of interest he readily criticises opposition but rarely looks into his own party's record when it comes to expenses and wastes of money and god knows, Basildon has a history of Labour waste, something the Tories had to put right when they returned to office. Callaghan was not around during that period so he needs to do his research if his remarks are going to be balanced. Callaghan it seems, cannot take it when it's dished out - and he rapidly needs to learn that, in politics, you have to take it on the chin. Criticism that is, not uncalled for personal attacks. That should never happen from any side of the house. He added: “Have I criticised Tory councillors on Twitter? Yes. Will I do it again? Yes. “What’s the problem with that? I don’t mince my words on or offline, and surely that is a breath of fresh air in modern- day politics?” There is nothing wrong with healthy criticism but Callaghan's comments are rarely a "breath of fresh air", spiked as they are with contempt, vitriol and sheer hatred for anyone he doesn't agree with. If, as he claims, there is nothing wrong with healthy criticism, then why does he not accord the same right to his opponents? As for "healthy" criticism, that is a matter of opinion. What Callaghan doesn't realise that in politics you conduct yourself at all times with good manners and consideration for others, even respect. Something he and his ilk do not understand. A willingness to listen to - and accept that others do not always share his politics or opinions - would be of huge advantage to an up and coming politician. Unfortunately Callaghan does not possess these fine qualities. He prefers instead to use social networking to attack his political opponents and anyone else who dares to disagree with him. Then gets all bent out of shape when somebody retaliates. Actually he expects no opposition and appears to think everybody should kowtow. In the real world, this is not going to happen. There is no place for spoilt brat attitudes and truculence in politics. Dignity, always dignity. Politicians are first and foremost PUBLIC SERVANTS and need to remember that at all times. They are not there for personal gain, vanity or self promotion. For example, the minute I challenged his views, he took to his Twitter page attacking me even though we have never been formally introduced, nor had a conversation, preferring instead to dredge up very old and very tatty, licentious, libellous and ridiculous garbage off the internet that bears no relation to who I actually am. Callaghan is a researcher for anti trolling MP Steve Rotheram yet regularly "trolls" people whose politics do not concur with his own, via social networking. I wonder if Steve Rotheram, who is MP for Liverpool Walton.. is aware of this. Rather than conduct his politics in the time-honoured way, in the council chamber, he launches vitriolic attacks via his Twitter page on both private citizens and those whose politics he doesn't like. He'd rather do it from behind the keyboard because in the council chamber he rarely speaks except to respond in his hallmark surly, arrogant way. Or take to his phone to do his Tweeting instead of paying full attention to the proceedings as he is paid by the public to do. As a "researcher" for a prominent MP, he rarely does any ACTUAL research beyond reading old rubbish that has been on the internet for ages, doing the rounds and augmented by the usual band of seething, hatefilled lefties. He's usually too busy on Twitter, via his phone in council meetings. For example, if he had been a good "researcher" he would have discovered that I am in fact a volunteer for Gateway rather than an employee and that the things he has accused me of saying on air I actually said on the Echo website. This was a comment I made a few weeks ago with regard to "Labour's disastrous 13 year reign causing more harm to this country than Hitler ever dreamed of". A view, I might add, shared by millions if my own experience in politics is anything to go by. I stand by that view and always will, whether he likes it or not. Maybe Callaghan chooses to ignore others' views but he was near hysterical over that comment even trying to dictate to the radio station who they should or should not employ. As if it's anything to do with Callaghan. Who does he think he is? I enjoy a good, healthy relationship with all sorts of people at the radio station and just because he gets his facts wrong he thinks he can dictate. No sorry mate, that's not in your remit. You are not an employer and I am not an employee and even if you were, you'd be subject to the law of the land. When at the radio station I have to conduct myself by Ofcom rules or I'd be out on my lughole like anyone else. And who they "employ" either as a volunteer or otherwise is a matter for them, not for interfering politicians. God forbid. If he took the time to listen, he would have heard my views. However, it seems his local radio station is not on his agenda. He has been invited to comment on the radio several times but always declines, on the grounds that he thinks it's "right wing" when in fact Gateway, like other radio stations is bound by strict Ofcom rules that do not allow anything libellous or personally insulting. Nor do they encourage political bias. He'd find that out if he ever "researched" anything. All sorts of politicians have appeared on air, from all parties, including his own group leader, so what's so special about Callaghan that he looks down his nose at a local radio station? For the record, I did make a broadcast about Twitter and Facebook trolling but never made the Hitler comment during that interview. Nor did I mention him or his ilk. And even if I had made the Hitler comment, it is merely opinion and therefore not subject to Ofcom rules (as long as I am not libelling or personally insulting anyone, which I didn't). And in any case, I doubt Callaghan even listens to Gateway if he regards it as "right wing". Gateway has many volunteers mainly youngsters from all sorts of backgrounds who work with the rest of us to make the station interesting and lively. Gateway is not right, nor is it left. Also Callaghan has regurgitated untrue lies and rumours about things I have said on facebook (I don't even have an account any more) and put it around that I am ex EDL and BNP... and these facts are checkable. In reality I have never been a member of either. This is easily researchable. Or he could ask me himself instead of the rather unparliamentary route he went down - putting his mobile number on here and asking me to contact him for a "chat". Not the normal or acceptable actions of an up and coming politician. Furthermore since I have never responded, as I prefer to talk to people face to face (which he has the opportunity) he goes back on Twitter to attack me again. And even if I had been a BNP or EDL member, which I haven't, it would be none of his business. And love it or hate it, the BNP is a bona fide political party. However, I have never associated myself with either organisation. If Callaghan is to maintain any kind of credibility as a politician he needs to learn a few good lessons. The first one being that because people don't agree with his politics, it doesn't make them monsters and nor does it give him any right to label them with "isms" or make false accusations about them. Most lefties would do well to remember this. Any good politician will be found on the doorsteps of his local residents dealing with mundane, everyday issues that affect their lives, not probing into "expenses" that are already on public record for all to see, looking for things that aren't there.. like for example, the mayoral portrait and chain of office, neither of which were funded from public money. A good politician will be able to deal with and expedite queries and problems from those who elected them,getting their sleeves rolled up and getting active instead of handing out spurious leaflets decrying their opponents or attacking them online. A good politician does not personally attack,slander or personally insult other politicians or private individuals -and conducts his or herself with dignity. A good politician engages in lively, healthy political debate and by all means, points out the transgressions of their opponents without the need for false accusation or slanderous comments. Or personal attacks on social networking. But a good politician will conversely, learn to accept that he or she is not always right and that his or her opinions and politics do not always match those of others. They will accept their differences and work together for the good of those they serve. Most of all, a good politician will have the humility, grace and good manners to accept when he or she is in the wrong and to be able to apologise for it properly and with dignity, not apologise in one breath then say "but I was right anyway" in the other. That is no kind of an apology. Callaghan needs lessons in humility, understanding and needs to show some humanity. He needs to learn that in politics, robust debate is absolutely necessary but that it does not need to be made into some kind of fairground sideshow for the delectation of all and sundry. Verbal fistfights are unseemly in politics. If he is to stand as PPC against John Baron, he needs to realise that everything he says and does will be the subject of public scrutiny. The public do not like their politicians to waste time on pointless "investigations" or slanging matches. They want ACTION and they want to be listened to. Not have individual politicians' personal views or dislikes rammed down their throats. What will Callaghan do or say when on the doorstep of a voter who clearly detests the Labour party and all it stands for? Launch a personal attack on them? And once and or all, for the record, I have been a member of the English Democrats, leaving of my own accord when they started to take in ex BNP types, then UKIP, letting my membership lapse two years ago because I hated the left v right infighting and the hostility shown to anyone who dared put their own point of view forward, particularly female. UKIP has some excellent local politicians, however, there are a few unsavoury characters, including local ones that I find it hard to stomach. Some of them hang round the fringe of the party making personal attacks from behind their keyboards yet never putting themselves up for public office or using their time in a positive way. They know who they are. I have NEVER been ejected from either party, nor have I been a member of or affiliated with, the EDL. I have stood for parliament twice and served as a Billericay town councillor once. And if Callaghan wants to probe my four years of office for expenses, I can save him the trouble. I claimed only once, for petrol, for a journey outside the area. And in any case, town councillors do not get paid a "salary". They are volunteers. Something I have done a lot of, unlike Callaghan it seems. I have campaigned with many politicians, been involved in legitimate anti EU protests including 24 October 2011 when a large number of different groups and party members including UKIP converged on Westminster for the referendum debate. However, I suggest that Callaghan now takes his role more seriously and takes up the day to day duties, however unglamorous they are, of a local councillor - and not the statesman he appears to think he is. True statesmen, including past Labour ones, have had one thing in common, an adherence to the original ideology behind their party, honour, dignity and an understanding of others. Something that should be there in the heart of any decent politician from the outset. A desire to serve ALL the community, including those who disagree with them. Not engage in unseemly and personal attacks in an attempt to big themselves up in the eyes of the voting public. The voting public of Basildon are not stupid and can form their own opinions without being browbeaten. Furthermore, for the record, I do NOT nor do I intend to, belong to any political party or organisation. I have friends who are politicians from different political backgrounds and do not always agree with them either. I detest all party politics and now vote for individuals based on my judgement of their ability to do the job - and whether or not they are of good character. I certainly don't base it on their Twitter account. Finally, despite Labour's best efforts during their 13 year reign of terror, there is still freedom of speech in this country and I will continue to exercise it until I draw my last breath. Whether others like it or not. And as I am not a politician, so have nothing to prove one way or the other.[/p][/quote]Kim...pipe down What is a political councillor? Can you advise as it seems you were once one. ThisYear

6:32pm Sun 9 Feb 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Tony Ball said: "I think, as a politician, you have to be disciplined and
careful"

For that read deceitful!
What, you mean like personally attacking people via social networking? Whatever his faults, I do not recall Ball ever doing that.

Now come on, show some balance in your comments.
Kim..make yourself a coffee...it will keep you busy and stop you bombarding this thread with reams of personal denials...again.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: Tony Ball said: "I think, as a politician, you have to be disciplined and careful" For that read deceitful![/p][/quote]What, you mean like personally attacking people via social networking? Whatever his faults, I do not recall Ball ever doing that. Now come on, show some balance in your comments.[/p][/quote]Kim..make yourself a coffee...it will keep you busy and stop you bombarding this thread with reams of personal denials...again. ThisYear

6:34pm Sun 9 Feb 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
...oh and politics in the pub? An idea ripped off from Nigel Farage, somebody whose politics Callaghan surely detests... and actually he is not the first in Basildon to do that.

I did that during the 2005 election when I stood for the English Democrats - in the Moon on the Square, with a documentary camera crew in tow.

Chatting to people in a pub is a whole lot different to the doorstep and indeed to communicating via social networking.

For a start there will be no question of personally attacking anyone whose views do not concur with yours.
Kim for the unenlightened what os the difference between the ED, the NF, the BNP and the EDL?

Im sure most of us on here wont know..
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ...oh and politics in the pub? An idea ripped off from Nigel Farage, somebody whose politics Callaghan surely detests... and actually he is not the first in Basildon to do that. I did that during the 2005 election when I stood for the English Democrats - in the Moon on the Square, with a documentary camera crew in tow. Chatting to people in a pub is a whole lot different to the doorstep and indeed to communicating via social networking. For a start there will be no question of personally attacking anyone whose views do not concur with yours.[/p][/quote]Kim for the unenlightened what os the difference between the ED, the NF, the BNP and the EDL? Im sure most of us on here wont know.. ThisYear

6:54pm Sun 9 Feb 14

profondo asbo says...

ThisYear wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
"They have been forced to answer questions on things which would have otherwise gone unnoticed – things like justifying the expense of guests invited to the mayor’s civic dinner.

“One of the biggest advantages for me as a Labour politician is Twitter is free."

The word that immediately jumps out at me in the above paragraph is "forced"... this sums up exactly Callaghan's bull in a China shop attitude towards his politics. "Forcing" people to accept his politics and view whatever their own opinions are and if they do not comply, he goes to town on them with false accusations, personal comments, conjecture and his own particular brand of animosity. This it seems, is the hallmark of the Left. Bully or make up lies about those who disagree with you, for self aggrandisement reasons.

As for the mayor's expenses, Callaghan appears to have a strange preoccupation with the mayor and rarely delves into other politicians' expenses. It is a matter of public knowledge that the mayor does not claim expenses and pays for events herself. She pays for prizes, food and all manner of associated items.

Also it's a matter of interest he readily criticises opposition but rarely looks into his own party's record when it comes to expenses and wastes of money and god knows, Basildon has a history of Labour waste, something the Tories had to put right when they returned to office. Callaghan was not around during that period so he needs to do his research if his remarks are going to be balanced.

Callaghan it seems, cannot take it when it's dished out - and he rapidly needs to learn that, in politics, you have to take it on the chin. Criticism that is, not uncalled for personal attacks. That should never happen from any side of the house.

He added: “Have I criticised Tory councillors on Twitter?

Yes. Will I do it again? Yes.

“What’s the problem with that? I don’t mince my words on or offline, and surely that is a breath of fresh air in modern- day politics?”

There is nothing wrong with healthy criticism but Callaghan's comments are rarely a "breath of fresh air", spiked as they are with contempt, vitriol and sheer hatred for anyone he doesn't agree with. If, as he claims, there is nothing wrong with healthy criticism, then why does he not accord the same right to his opponents? As for "healthy" criticism, that is a matter of opinion.

What Callaghan doesn't realise that in politics you conduct yourself at all times with good manners and consideration for others, even respect. Something he and his ilk do not understand. A willingness to listen to - and accept that others do not always share his politics or opinions - would be of huge advantage to an up and coming politician.

Unfortunately Callaghan does not possess these fine qualities.

He prefers instead to use social networking to attack his political opponents and anyone else who dares to disagree with him. Then gets all bent out of shape when somebody retaliates. Actually he expects no opposition and appears to think everybody should kowtow.

In the real world, this is not going to happen. There is no place for spoilt brat attitudes and truculence in politics. Dignity, always dignity. Politicians are first and foremost PUBLIC SERVANTS and need to remember that at all times. They are not there for personal gain, vanity or self promotion.

For example, the minute I challenged his views, he took to his Twitter page attacking me even though we have never been formally introduced, nor had a conversation, preferring instead to dredge up very old and very tatty, licentious, libellous and ridiculous garbage off the internet that bears no relation to who I actually am.

Callaghan is a researcher for anti trolling MP Steve Rotheram yet regularly "trolls" people whose politics do not concur with his own, via social networking. I wonder if Steve Rotheram, who is MP for Liverpool Walton.. is aware of this.

Rather than conduct his politics in the time-honoured way, in the council chamber, he launches vitriolic attacks via his Twitter page on both private citizens and those whose politics he doesn't like. He'd rather do it from behind the keyboard because in the council chamber he rarely speaks except to respond in his hallmark surly, arrogant way. Or take to his phone to do his Tweeting instead of paying full attention to the proceedings as he is paid by the public to do.

As a "researcher" for a prominent MP, he rarely does any ACTUAL research beyond reading old rubbish that has been on the internet for ages, doing the rounds and augmented by the usual band of seething, hatefilled lefties. He's usually too busy on Twitter, via his phone in council meetings.

For example, if he had been a good "researcher" he would have discovered that I am in fact a volunteer for Gateway rather than an employee and that the things he has accused me of saying on air I actually said on the Echo website.

This was a comment I made a few weeks ago with regard to "Labour's disastrous 13 year reign causing more harm to this country than Hitler ever dreamed of". A view, I might add, shared by millions if my own experience in politics is anything to go by. I stand by that view and always will, whether he likes it or not.

Maybe Callaghan chooses to ignore others' views but he was near hysterical over that comment even trying to dictate to the radio station who they should or should not employ. As if it's anything to do with Callaghan. Who does he think he is? I enjoy a good, healthy relationship with all sorts of people at the radio station and just because he gets his facts wrong he thinks he can dictate. No sorry mate, that's not in your remit. You are not an employer and I am not an employee and even if you were, you'd be subject to the law of the land. When at the radio station I have to conduct myself by Ofcom rules or I'd be out on my lughole like anyone else. And who they "employ" either as a volunteer or otherwise is a matter for them, not for interfering politicians. God forbid.

If he took the time to listen, he would have heard my views. However, it seems his local radio station is not on his agenda.

He has been invited to comment on the radio several times but always declines, on the grounds that he thinks it's "right wing" when in fact Gateway, like other radio stations is bound by strict Ofcom rules that do not allow anything libellous or personally insulting. Nor do they encourage political bias. He'd find that out if he ever "researched" anything.

All sorts of politicians have appeared on air, from all parties, including his own group leader, so what's so special about Callaghan that he looks down his nose at a local radio station?

For the record, I did make a broadcast about Twitter and Facebook trolling but never made the Hitler comment during that interview. Nor did I mention him or his ilk. And even if I had made the Hitler comment, it is merely opinion and therefore not subject to Ofcom rules (as long as I am not libelling or personally insulting anyone, which I didn't).

And in any case, I doubt Callaghan even listens to Gateway if he regards it as "right wing". Gateway has many volunteers mainly youngsters from all sorts of backgrounds who work with the rest of us to make the station interesting and lively. Gateway is not right, nor is it left.

Also Callaghan has regurgitated untrue lies and rumours about things I have said on facebook (I don't even have an account any more) and put it around that I am ex EDL and BNP... and these facts are checkable. In reality I have never been a member of either. This is easily researchable. Or he could ask me himself instead of the rather unparliamentary route he went down - putting his mobile number on here and asking me to contact him for a "chat". Not the normal or acceptable actions of an up and coming politician. Furthermore since I have never responded, as I prefer to talk to people face to face (which he has the opportunity) he goes back on Twitter to attack me again.

And even if I had been a BNP or EDL member, which I haven't, it would be none of his business. And love it or hate it, the BNP is a bona fide political party. However, I have never associated myself with either organisation.

If Callaghan is to maintain any kind of credibility as a politician he needs to learn a few good lessons. The first one being that because people don't agree with his politics, it doesn't make them monsters and nor does it give him any right to label them with "isms" or make false accusations about them. Most lefties would do well to remember this.

Any good politician will be found on the doorsteps of his local residents dealing with mundane, everyday issues that affect their lives, not probing into "expenses" that are already on public record for all to see, looking for things that aren't there.. like for example, the mayoral portrait and chain of office, neither of which were funded from public money.

A good politician will be able to deal with and expedite queries and problems from those who elected them,getting their sleeves rolled up and getting active instead of handing out spurious leaflets decrying their opponents or attacking them online.

A good politician does not personally attack,slander or personally insult other politicians or private individuals -and conducts his or herself with dignity.

A good politician engages in lively, healthy political debate and by all means, points out the transgressions of their opponents without the need for false accusation or slanderous comments. Or personal attacks on social networking.

But a good politician will conversely, learn to accept that he or she is not always right and that his or her opinions and politics do not always match those of others. They will accept their differences and work together for the good of those they serve.

Most of all, a good politician will have the humility, grace and good manners to accept when he or she is in the wrong and to be able to apologise for it properly and with dignity, not apologise in one breath then say "but I was right anyway" in the other.

That is no kind of an apology.

Callaghan needs lessons in humility, understanding and needs to show some humanity. He needs to learn that in politics, robust debate is absolutely necessary but that it does not need to be made into some kind of fairground sideshow for the delectation of all and sundry. Verbal fistfights are unseemly in politics.

If he is to stand as PPC against John Baron, he needs to realise that everything he says and does will be the subject of public scrutiny. The public do not like their politicians to waste time on pointless "investigations" or slanging matches. They want ACTION and they want to be listened to. Not have individual politicians' personal views or dislikes rammed down their throats. What will Callaghan do or say when on the doorstep of a voter who clearly detests the Labour party and all it stands for? Launch a personal attack on them?

And once and or all, for the record, I have been a member of the English Democrats, leaving of my own accord when they started to take in ex BNP types, then UKIP, letting my membership lapse two years ago because I hated the left v right infighting and the hostility shown to anyone who dared put their own point of view forward, particularly female. UKIP has some excellent local politicians, however, there are a few unsavoury characters, including local ones that I find it hard to stomach. Some of them hang round the fringe of the party making personal attacks from behind their keyboards yet never putting themselves up for public office or using their time in a positive way. They know who they are.

I have NEVER been ejected from either party, nor have I been a member of or affiliated with, the EDL.

I have stood for parliament twice and served as a Billericay town councillor once. And if Callaghan wants to probe my four years of office for expenses, I can save him the trouble. I claimed only once, for petrol, for a journey outside the area. And in any case, town councillors do not get paid a "salary". They are volunteers. Something I have done a lot of, unlike Callaghan it seems.

I have campaigned with many politicians, been involved in legitimate anti EU protests including 24 October 2011 when a large number of different groups and party members including UKIP converged on Westminster for the referendum debate.

However, I suggest that Callaghan now takes his role more seriously and takes up the day to day duties, however unglamorous they are, of a local councillor - and not the statesman he appears to think he is. True statesmen, including past Labour ones, have had one thing in common, an adherence to the original ideology behind their party, honour, dignity and an understanding of others. Something that should be there in the heart of any decent politician from the outset. A desire to serve ALL the community, including those who disagree with them.

Not engage in unseemly and personal attacks in an attempt to big themselves up in the eyes of the voting public. The voting public of Basildon are not stupid and can form their own opinions without being browbeaten.

Furthermore, for the record, I do NOT nor do I intend to, belong to any political party or organisation. I have friends who are politicians from different political backgrounds and do not always agree with them either.

I detest all party politics and now vote for individuals based on my judgement of their ability to do the job - and whether or not they are of good character. I certainly don't base it on their Twitter account.

Finally, despite Labour's best efforts during their 13 year reign of terror, there is still freedom of speech in this country and I will continue to exercise it until I draw my last breath.

Whether others like it or not. And as I am not a politician, so have nothing to prove one way or the other.
Kim...pipe down

What is a political councillor? Can you advise as it seems you were once one.
sister can you spare the abridged version?
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: "They have been forced to answer questions on things which would have otherwise gone unnoticed – things like justifying the expense of guests invited to the mayor’s civic dinner. “One of the biggest advantages for me as a Labour politician is Twitter is free." The word that immediately jumps out at me in the above paragraph is "forced"... this sums up exactly Callaghan's bull in a China shop attitude towards his politics. "Forcing" people to accept his politics and view whatever their own opinions are and if they do not comply, he goes to town on them with false accusations, personal comments, conjecture and his own particular brand of animosity. This it seems, is the hallmark of the Left. Bully or make up lies about those who disagree with you, for self aggrandisement reasons. As for the mayor's expenses, Callaghan appears to have a strange preoccupation with the mayor and rarely delves into other politicians' expenses. It is a matter of public knowledge that the mayor does not claim expenses and pays for events herself. She pays for prizes, food and all manner of associated items. Also it's a matter of interest he readily criticises opposition but rarely looks into his own party's record when it comes to expenses and wastes of money and god knows, Basildon has a history of Labour waste, something the Tories had to put right when they returned to office. Callaghan was not around during that period so he needs to do his research if his remarks are going to be balanced. Callaghan it seems, cannot take it when it's dished out - and he rapidly needs to learn that, in politics, you have to take it on the chin. Criticism that is, not uncalled for personal attacks. That should never happen from any side of the house. He added: “Have I criticised Tory councillors on Twitter? Yes. Will I do it again? Yes. “What’s the problem with that? I don’t mince my words on or offline, and surely that is a breath of fresh air in modern- day politics?” There is nothing wrong with healthy criticism but Callaghan's comments are rarely a "breath of fresh air", spiked as they are with contempt, vitriol and sheer hatred for anyone he doesn't agree with. If, as he claims, there is nothing wrong with healthy criticism, then why does he not accord the same right to his opponents? As for "healthy" criticism, that is a matter of opinion. What Callaghan doesn't realise that in politics you conduct yourself at all times with good manners and consideration for others, even respect. Something he and his ilk do not understand. A willingness to listen to - and accept that others do not always share his politics or opinions - would be of huge advantage to an up and coming politician. Unfortunately Callaghan does not possess these fine qualities. He prefers instead to use social networking to attack his political opponents and anyone else who dares to disagree with him. Then gets all bent out of shape when somebody retaliates. Actually he expects no opposition and appears to think everybody should kowtow. In the real world, this is not going to happen. There is no place for spoilt brat attitudes and truculence in politics. Dignity, always dignity. Politicians are first and foremost PUBLIC SERVANTS and need to remember that at all times. They are not there for personal gain, vanity or self promotion. For example, the minute I challenged his views, he took to his Twitter page attacking me even though we have never been formally introduced, nor had a conversation, preferring instead to dredge up very old and very tatty, licentious, libellous and ridiculous garbage off the internet that bears no relation to who I actually am. Callaghan is a researcher for anti trolling MP Steve Rotheram yet regularly "trolls" people whose politics do not concur with his own, via social networking. I wonder if Steve Rotheram, who is MP for Liverpool Walton.. is aware of this. Rather than conduct his politics in the time-honoured way, in the council chamber, he launches vitriolic attacks via his Twitter page on both private citizens and those whose politics he doesn't like. He'd rather do it from behind the keyboard because in the council chamber he rarely speaks except to respond in his hallmark surly, arrogant way. Or take to his phone to do his Tweeting instead of paying full attention to the proceedings as he is paid by the public to do. As a "researcher" for a prominent MP, he rarely does any ACTUAL research beyond reading old rubbish that has been on the internet for ages, doing the rounds and augmented by the usual band of seething, hatefilled lefties. He's usually too busy on Twitter, via his phone in council meetings. For example, if he had been a good "researcher" he would have discovered that I am in fact a volunteer for Gateway rather than an employee and that the things he has accused me of saying on air I actually said on the Echo website. This was a comment I made a few weeks ago with regard to "Labour's disastrous 13 year reign causing more harm to this country than Hitler ever dreamed of". A view, I might add, shared by millions if my own experience in politics is anything to go by. I stand by that view and always will, whether he likes it or not. Maybe Callaghan chooses to ignore others' views but he was near hysterical over that comment even trying to dictate to the radio station who they should or should not employ. As if it's anything to do with Callaghan. Who does he think he is? I enjoy a good, healthy relationship with all sorts of people at the radio station and just because he gets his facts wrong he thinks he can dictate. No sorry mate, that's not in your remit. You are not an employer and I am not an employee and even if you were, you'd be subject to the law of the land. When at the radio station I have to conduct myself by Ofcom rules or I'd be out on my lughole like anyone else. And who they "employ" either as a volunteer or otherwise is a matter for them, not for interfering politicians. God forbid. If he took the time to listen, he would have heard my views. However, it seems his local radio station is not on his agenda. He has been invited to comment on the radio several times but always declines, on the grounds that he thinks it's "right wing" when in fact Gateway, like other radio stations is bound by strict Ofcom rules that do not allow anything libellous or personally insulting. Nor do they encourage political bias. He'd find that out if he ever "researched" anything. All sorts of politicians have appeared on air, from all parties, including his own group leader, so what's so special about Callaghan that he looks down his nose at a local radio station? For the record, I did make a broadcast about Twitter and Facebook trolling but never made the Hitler comment during that interview. Nor did I mention him or his ilk. And even if I had made the Hitler comment, it is merely opinion and therefore not subject to Ofcom rules (as long as I am not libelling or personally insulting anyone, which I didn't). And in any case, I doubt Callaghan even listens to Gateway if he regards it as "right wing". Gateway has many volunteers mainly youngsters from all sorts of backgrounds who work with the rest of us to make the station interesting and lively. Gateway is not right, nor is it left. Also Callaghan has regurgitated untrue lies and rumours about things I have said on facebook (I don't even have an account any more) and put it around that I am ex EDL and BNP... and these facts are checkable. In reality I have never been a member of either. This is easily researchable. Or he could ask me himself instead of the rather unparliamentary route he went down - putting his mobile number on here and asking me to contact him for a "chat". Not the normal or acceptable actions of an up and coming politician. Furthermore since I have never responded, as I prefer to talk to people face to face (which he has the opportunity) he goes back on Twitter to attack me again. And even if I had been a BNP or EDL member, which I haven't, it would be none of his business. And love it or hate it, the BNP is a bona fide political party. However, I have never associated myself with either organisation. If Callaghan is to maintain any kind of credibility as a politician he needs to learn a few good lessons. The first one being that because people don't agree with his politics, it doesn't make them monsters and nor does it give him any right to label them with "isms" or make false accusations about them. Most lefties would do well to remember this. Any good politician will be found on the doorsteps of his local residents dealing with mundane, everyday issues that affect their lives, not probing into "expenses" that are already on public record for all to see, looking for things that aren't there.. like for example, the mayoral portrait and chain of office, neither of which were funded from public money. A good politician will be able to deal with and expedite queries and problems from those who elected them,getting their sleeves rolled up and getting active instead of handing out spurious leaflets decrying their opponents or attacking them online. A good politician does not personally attack,slander or personally insult other politicians or private individuals -and conducts his or herself with dignity. A good politician engages in lively, healthy political debate and by all means, points out the transgressions of their opponents without the need for false accusation or slanderous comments. Or personal attacks on social networking. But a good politician will conversely, learn to accept that he or she is not always right and that his or her opinions and politics do not always match those of others. They will accept their differences and work together for the good of those they serve. Most of all, a good politician will have the humility, grace and good manners to accept when he or she is in the wrong and to be able to apologise for it properly and with dignity, not apologise in one breath then say "but I was right anyway" in the other. That is no kind of an apology. Callaghan needs lessons in humility, understanding and needs to show some humanity. He needs to learn that in politics, robust debate is absolutely necessary but that it does not need to be made into some kind of fairground sideshow for the delectation of all and sundry. Verbal fistfights are unseemly in politics. If he is to stand as PPC against John Baron, he needs to realise that everything he says and does will be the subject of public scrutiny. The public do not like their politicians to waste time on pointless "investigations" or slanging matches. They want ACTION and they want to be listened to. Not have individual politicians' personal views or dislikes rammed down their throats. What will Callaghan do or say when on the doorstep of a voter who clearly detests the Labour party and all it stands for? Launch a personal attack on them? And once and or all, for the record, I have been a member of the English Democrats, leaving of my own accord when they started to take in ex BNP types, then UKIP, letting my membership lapse two years ago because I hated the left v right infighting and the hostility shown to anyone who dared put their own point of view forward, particularly female. UKIP has some excellent local politicians, however, there are a few unsavoury characters, including local ones that I find it hard to stomach. Some of them hang round the fringe of the party making personal attacks from behind their keyboards yet never putting themselves up for public office or using their time in a positive way. They know who they are. I have NEVER been ejected from either party, nor have I been a member of or affiliated with, the EDL. I have stood for parliament twice and served as a Billericay town councillor once. And if Callaghan wants to probe my four years of office for expenses, I can save him the trouble. I claimed only once, for petrol, for a journey outside the area. And in any case, town councillors do not get paid a "salary". They are volunteers. Something I have done a lot of, unlike Callaghan it seems. I have campaigned with many politicians, been involved in legitimate anti EU protests including 24 October 2011 when a large number of different groups and party members including UKIP converged on Westminster for the referendum debate. However, I suggest that Callaghan now takes his role more seriously and takes up the day to day duties, however unglamorous they are, of a local councillor - and not the statesman he appears to think he is. True statesmen, including past Labour ones, have had one thing in common, an adherence to the original ideology behind their party, honour, dignity and an understanding of others. Something that should be there in the heart of any decent politician from the outset. A desire to serve ALL the community, including those who disagree with them. Not engage in unseemly and personal attacks in an attempt to big themselves up in the eyes of the voting public. The voting public of Basildon are not stupid and can form their own opinions without being browbeaten. Furthermore, for the record, I do NOT nor do I intend to, belong to any political party or organisation. I have friends who are politicians from different political backgrounds and do not always agree with them either. I detest all party politics and now vote for individuals based on my judgement of their ability to do the job - and whether or not they are of good character. I certainly don't base it on their Twitter account. Finally, despite Labour's best efforts during their 13 year reign of terror, there is still freedom of speech in this country and I will continue to exercise it until I draw my last breath. Whether others like it or not. And as I am not a politician, so have nothing to prove one way or the other.[/p][/quote]Kim...pipe down What is a political councillor? Can you advise as it seems you were once one.[/p][/quote]sister can you spare the abridged version? profondo asbo

7:18pm Sun 9 Feb 14

RochfordRob says...

Good communication:

Accuracy
Brevity
Speed.

Take note, Twitterers and others.
Good communication: Accuracy Brevity Speed. Take note, Twitterers and others. RochfordRob

8:19am Mon 10 Feb 14

A Pedant says...

RochfordRob says...

Good communication:

Accuracy
Brevity
Speed.

Take note, Twitterers and others.

Particularly Kim 'the internet lies about me but is gospel when I want to use it to make a point' Gandy...
RochfordRob says... Good communication: Accuracy Brevity Speed. Take note, Twitterers and others. Particularly Kim 'the internet lies about me but is gospel when I want to use it to make a point' Gandy... A Pedant

7:29pm Mon 10 Feb 14

ThisYear says...

A Pedant wrote:
RochfordRob says...

Good communication:

Accuracy
Brevity
Speed.

Take note, Twitterers and others.

Particularly Kim 'the internet lies about me but is gospel when I want to use it to make a point' Gandy...
Shh.. Kim and RRob are beans from the same tin.
[quote][p][bold]A Pedant[/bold] wrote: RochfordRob says... Good communication: Accuracy Brevity Speed. Take note, Twitterers and others. Particularly Kim 'the internet lies about me but is gospel when I want to use it to make a point' Gandy...[/p][/quote]Shh.. Kim and RRob are beans from the same tin. ThisYear

8:02am Tue 11 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

Oh dear, Callaghan has now launched a personal vendetta, it seems, against everybody who knows me. That's because he can't take me to the Standards Board, however, I can if he gives me enough grounds - and he's getting there.

Sooner or later he is going to come unstuck. Big style. I am a believer in the laws of Karma. What goes around...

Callaghan is good at digging around for information he can use against others and "monitoring" people.

That works two ways.

Anything I will do will be above board and no amount of personal vendettas is going to stop me speaking my mind.

I have spoken the truth above as always and will continue to do so. I haven't bothered to read the other comments but I know they are there - and I know they are Callaghan's little stooges..

Understand this: Callaghan's agenda is to stop anybody who opposes him exercising their freedom of speech - and that alone will ensure he DOES NOT get elected as an MP. The British hate having their freedoms curtailed.

I think it's called fascism? What other label could there be?

Even Labour supporters will not put up with that.

If Callaghan is going to launch a personal vendetta against everyone who publicly opposes him he is going to have his work cut out. He has already made enough enemies to sink a battleship.

FACT: if you are in politics, people WILL oppose you whether you like it or not - and if you cannot handle it it's time to get out.

It's called DEMOCRACY. Something Callaghan doesn't recognise. He can take pot shots at others but isn't too happy when they turn the tables.

However, his current behaviour has confirmed his gross unsuitability to a life in public office.

Hate campaigns against other politicians AND members of the public and now, private organisations.

This will all come out - and is not going to do Callaghan's election campaign much good.

It is not just myself who is monitoring Callaghan. And there is still well over a year till the general election. They say a week is a long time in politics.

A year is even longer.

Arrogant people eventually hang themselves by their own petard.

Nobody is invincible.
Oh dear, Callaghan has now launched a personal vendetta, it seems, against everybody who knows me. That's because he can't take me to the Standards Board, however, I can if he gives me enough grounds - and he's getting there. Sooner or later he is going to come unstuck. Big style. I am a believer in the laws of Karma. What goes around... Callaghan is good at digging around for information he can use against others and "monitoring" people. That works two ways. Anything I will do will be above board and no amount of personal vendettas is going to stop me speaking my mind. I have spoken the truth above as always and will continue to do so. I haven't bothered to read the other comments but I know they are there - and I know they are Callaghan's little stooges.. Understand this: Callaghan's agenda is to stop anybody who opposes him exercising their freedom of speech - and that alone will ensure he DOES NOT get elected as an MP. The British hate having their freedoms curtailed. I think it's called fascism? What other label could there be? Even Labour supporters will not put up with that. If Callaghan is going to launch a personal vendetta against everyone who publicly opposes him he is going to have his work cut out. He has already made enough enemies to sink a battleship. FACT: if you are in politics, people WILL oppose you whether you like it or not - and if you cannot handle it it's time to get out. It's called DEMOCRACY. Something Callaghan doesn't recognise. He can take pot shots at others but isn't too happy when they turn the tables. However, his current behaviour has confirmed his gross unsuitability to a life in public office. Hate campaigns against other politicians AND members of the public and now, private organisations. This will all come out - and is not going to do Callaghan's election campaign much good. It is not just myself who is monitoring Callaghan. And there is still well over a year till the general election. They say a week is a long time in politics. A year is even longer. Arrogant people eventually hang themselves by their own petard. Nobody is invincible. Kim Gandy

11:53am Tue 11 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

I have not read the comments above but have been informed that the snide attacks have started, bad mouthing and misrepresenting me. However, there are also those who agree.

Good.

I am glad.

Because it proves ALL the points I have made above BEAUTIFULLY. Lefties are the biggest fascists going.

My comments were made articulately and with truth and FACT, whereas I understand a lot of the garbage written above is just knee jerk nastiness from people I have never even met.

So like I said, thankyou VERY much for helping me to prove my point.

I will let DECENT people judge my well chosen words, written in a way even the most simplistic person can understand - and the rantings of the Left who make a lot of noise about "equality" and "freedom of speech" but don't like it when anybody opposes them. Practice what you preach eh?

Sorry if the truth hurts.... and further rantings below this comment will just prove one thing - I am a better person than you are.

At least I don't send letters to people's friends or employers or rake up false accusations against them, Photoshopped rubbish and lies and rumour. We all know that Twitter and Facebook are hotbeds of nasty evilness and are themselves responsible for ruined lives and even deaths.

Says a lot about the sort of people who use them as a tool doesn't it?

Again I say, Hitler opposed freedom of speech.

Hitler was a member of the SOCIALIST Workers' Party. SOCIALIST.

The Nazis falsely accused, bullied, scorned, degraded and harassed those who did not agree..

Hitler was a bully and full of hate.... Hitler's regime was responsible for the deaths and torture of millions. Hitler's political roots were in SOCIALISM. FACT. I repeat. FACT.

Read the rantings of those above who don't like the truth.

See any similarities?
I have not read the comments above but have been informed that the snide attacks have started, bad mouthing and misrepresenting me. However, there are also those who agree. Good. I am glad. Because it proves ALL the points I have made above BEAUTIFULLY. Lefties are the biggest fascists going. My comments were made articulately and with truth and FACT, whereas I understand a lot of the garbage written above is just knee jerk nastiness from people I have never even met. So like I said, thankyou VERY much for helping me to prove my point. I will let DECENT people judge my well chosen words, written in a way even the most simplistic person can understand - and the rantings of the Left who make a lot of noise about "equality" and "freedom of speech" but don't like it when anybody opposes them. Practice what you preach eh? Sorry if the truth hurts.... and further rantings below this comment will just prove one thing - I am a better person than you are. At least I don't send letters to people's friends or employers or rake up false accusations against them, Photoshopped rubbish and lies and rumour. We all know that Twitter and Facebook are hotbeds of nasty evilness and are themselves responsible for ruined lives and even deaths. Says a lot about the sort of people who use them as a tool doesn't it? Again I say, Hitler opposed freedom of speech. Hitler was a member of the SOCIALIST Workers' Party. SOCIALIST. The Nazis falsely accused, bullied, scorned, degraded and harassed those who did not agree.. Hitler was a bully and full of hate.... Hitler's regime was responsible for the deaths and torture of millions. Hitler's political roots were in SOCIALISM. FACT. I repeat. FACT. Read the rantings of those above who don't like the truth. See any similarities? Kim Gandy

11:47am Wed 12 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

Callaghan, you can scream and shout all you like. Ask questions of who you like. You will get nowhere.

I DID NOT MAKE ANY SUCH BROADCAST AND IT CAN BE PROVED.

Keep this going and I will give as good as I get.

You will NOT bully me.
Callaghan, you can scream and shout all you like. Ask questions of who you like. You will get nowhere. I DID NOT MAKE ANY SUCH BROADCAST AND IT CAN BE PROVED. Keep this going and I will give as good as I get. You will NOT bully me. Kim Gandy

11:39pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

Oh dear, toys well and truly out of the pram.

D I L L I G A F

...actually nobody else does either...

...and for all your gobbing off, where WERE you on Holocaust Day.

That's right. Didn't turn up. So much for your spouting.
Oh dear, toys well and truly out of the pram. D I L L I G A F ...actually nobody else does either... ...and for all your gobbing off, where WERE you on Holocaust Day. That's right. Didn't turn up. So much for your spouting. Kim Gandy

6:04pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2448851/Ex-press-sec
retary-fleeced-UKIP-
MEP-went-spending-sp
ree-disapproving-pol
icies.html

This is the sort of company Callaghan keeps on his Twitter page

A convicted fraudster, lunatic and liar.

Jazna Badzak
http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2448851/Ex-press-sec retary-fleeced-UKIP- MEP-went-spending-sp ree-disapproving-pol icies.html This is the sort of company Callaghan keeps on his Twitter page A convicted fraudster, lunatic and liar. Jazna Badzak Kim Gandy

6:17pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

Judge Michael Gledhill QC told Badzak that she would have been jailed for a year had she not been the sole carer for her 15-year-old son, who is studying his GCSEs.
Instead, he suspended her 12-month month prison sentence for two years to ‘avoid wrecking her son’s life’.

Nuff said eh Callaghan.... SHE's the one that was arrested. Total nutjob. But then, they seem attracted to you judging by your Twitter page. SHE is former EDL. Fancy you associating with her eh

Oh and the EDLnews garbage is written by similar nutjobs.


Read more: http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2448851/Ex-press-sec
retary-fleeced-UKIP-
MEP-went-spending-sp
ree-disapproving-pol
icies.html#ixzz2tE9G
GbqE
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Judge Michael Gledhill QC told Badzak that she would have been jailed for a year had she not been the sole carer for her 15-year-old son, who is studying his GCSEs. Instead, he suspended her 12-month month prison sentence for two years to ‘avoid wrecking her son’s life’. Nuff said eh Callaghan.... SHE's the one that was arrested. Total nutjob. But then, they seem attracted to you judging by your Twitter page. SHE is former EDL. Fancy you associating with her eh Oh and the EDLnews garbage is written by similar nutjobs. Read more: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2448851/Ex-press-sec retary-fleeced-UKIP- MEP-went-spending-sp ree-disapproving-pol icies.html#ixzz2tE9G GbqE Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Kim Gandy

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