I got a parking fine on council business

Cheesed off – county councillor Mark Ellis with his £70 parking fine

Cheesed off – county councillor Mark Ellis with his £70 parking fine

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A COUNTY councillor was slapped with a £70 parking fine by County Hall while collecting salt bags as a favour for the authority.

Mark Ellis, Ukip councillor for Laindon Park and Fryerns, parked outside his house in Samuel Road, Langdon Hills, to make room for a seven tonne delivery lorry.

He had agreed to store two tonnes of salt to hand out to residents as part of the winter salt bag partnership scheme – led by Essex County Council.

As he was waiting for a lorry to deliver the 25kg bags, a parking warden came along and handed Mr Ellis a ticket.

He had parked on yellow lines while restrictions banning parking between 9am and noon were in place.

Mr Ellis, who was elected as a county councillor for the first time in May, said: “I took half a day off from work and came home to have the salt bags delivered.

“I didn't park on the drive because there would have been no room for the lorry to load the bags into my car. I was just following the delivery requirements.

“When the warden came along I explained the situation and he said he had to do his job, which I completely understand, but I could appeal and it would get quashed straight away.”

He was handed the £70 fine on October 31 and spent three months waiting for the outcome of the appeal – only to find out if had not been successful.

Mr Ellis is considering going to court to argue his case.

Essex County Council refused to comment on the case as the South Essex Parking Partnership manages parking enforcement on its behalf.

Mr Ellis added: “I feel like I’m being penalised for trying to help people out.

I think it’s absolutely outrageous.

“I’m not asking for special treatment, but I think sometimes they need to look at the reasons for things.”

The salt bags have now been delivered to local residents.

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9:11am Wed 19 Feb 14

CHRISTMAS CAROL says...

SO
SO CHRISTMAS CAROL
  • Score: 2

9:18am Wed 19 Feb 14

pembury53 says...

“I’m not asking for special treatment".... but if you were parked illegally then surely that's exactly what you are asking for ?
“I’m not asking for special treatment".... but if you were parked illegally then surely that's exactly what you are asking for ? pembury53
  • Score: 17

9:29am Wed 19 Feb 14

DCLEIGH says...

Keep an eye on his expenses claims.....Nobody is above the law.
Keep an eye on his expenses claims.....Nobody is above the law. DCLEIGH
  • Score: 13

9:40am Wed 19 Feb 14

Howard Cháse says...

If you park in a no parking zone and get a ticket, suck it up and pay the fine. Don't come whining to The Echo about it.
If you park in a no parking zone and get a ticket, suck it up and pay the fine. Don't come whining to The Echo about it. Howard Cháse
  • Score: 12

9:51am Wed 19 Feb 14

RochfordRob says...

These politicos get the notion that they are above the law very early into their careers don't they?

No wonder the 650 + thieves at Westminster are all at it wholesale.
These politicos get the notion that they are above the law very early into their careers don't they? No wonder the 650 + thieves at Westminster are all at it wholesale. RochfordRob
  • Score: 14

10:02am Wed 19 Feb 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

"I think it’s absolutely outrageous".

"“I’m not asking for special treatment"

_______________

Ha...this one made me laugh, so Mr Ellis was actually at home waiting for the truck...so why didn't he move his vehicle from the drive when the truck came..? the parking person was right to dish one out and was right in not getting it cancelled, what a fool this chap sounds, maybe he should have applied for a dispensation to enable him to park there.

Ask your self...
if i am going into the council office to cough up my council tax i can park on double yellows...?

or visiting the council on a council matter i can park right outside on yellows and not expect to get a ticket.?

you know the right answer.

do go to court and make matters worse...which i'll wager he won't open a case up.


Ohh and another thing to enlighten you....you spent too long chit chatting to the parking person in that time around 5mins it took for him to complete things, you could have moved the car and avoided the £70 and all the fuss thats come with it.
people need to sharpen up a bit..
"I think it’s absolutely outrageous". "“I’m not asking for special treatment" _______________ Ha...this one made me laugh, so Mr Ellis was actually at home waiting for the truck...so why didn't he move his vehicle from the drive when the truck came..? the parking person was right to dish one out and was right in not getting it cancelled, what a fool this chap sounds, maybe he should have applied for a dispensation to enable him to park there. Ask your self... if i am going into the council office to cough up my council tax i can park on double yellows...? or visiting the council on a council matter i can park right outside on yellows and not expect to get a ticket.? you know the right answer. do go to court and make matters worse...which i'll wager he won't open a case up. Ohh and another thing to enlighten you....you spent too long chit chatting to the parking person in that time around 5mins it took for him to complete things, you could have moved the car and avoided the £70 and all the fuss thats come with it. people need to sharpen up a bit.. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 8

10:06am Wed 19 Feb 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

....i'm not finished yet, should have asked a neighbour if you could park for a few hours on their empty driveway, even if it looks like you can get more than 1 car on your driveway if that is infact your very long driveway in the photo.
No one likes getting a ticket but sometimes if you are well in the wrong its better to pay up and put it down to experience.
....i'm not finished yet, should have asked a neighbour if you could park for a few hours on their empty driveway, even if it looks like you can get more than 1 car on your driveway if that is infact your very long driveway in the photo. No one likes getting a ticket but sometimes if you are well in the wrong its better to pay up and put it down to experience. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 5

10:37am Wed 19 Feb 14

stopmoaning1 says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
....i'm not finished yet, should have asked a neighbour if you could park for a few hours on their empty driveway, even if it looks like you can get more than 1 car on your driveway if that is infact your very long driveway in the photo.
No one likes getting a ticket but sometimes if you are well in the wrong its better to pay up and put it down to experience.
Not defending him but bad argument from you on this last one. I suspect the very long drive is where he agreed to store the two tons of salt.
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: ....i'm not finished yet, should have asked a neighbour if you could park for a few hours on their empty driveway, even if it looks like you can get more than 1 car on your driveway if that is infact your very long driveway in the photo. No one likes getting a ticket but sometimes if you are well in the wrong its better to pay up and put it down to experience.[/p][/quote]Not defending him but bad argument from you on this last one. I suspect the very long drive is where he agreed to store the two tons of salt. stopmoaning1
  • Score: 10

10:40am Wed 19 Feb 14

Discouraged says...

So, a councillor can park in a no parking area, and an MP can fiddle expenses, and a magistrate act irresponsibly; NO.
So, a councillor can park in a no parking area, and an MP can fiddle expenses, and a magistrate act irresponsibly; NO. Discouraged
  • Score: 7

10:44am Wed 19 Feb 14

Minceir. says...

Perhaps Mr Ellis should resign his councillorship as he would seem to have neither the brains nor the gonads for it.
Perhaps Mr Ellis should resign his councillorship as he would seem to have neither the brains nor the gonads for it. Minceir.
  • Score: 3

10:49am Wed 19 Feb 14

Leighdweller says...

Are County Councillors above the law? Just wondered...
Are County Councillors above the law? Just wondered... Leighdweller
  • Score: 8

11:15am Wed 19 Feb 14

GTA Essex says...

I wouldn't have payed the parking fine anyway. I don't give a sh1t about anything lol.
I wouldn't have payed the parking fine anyway. I don't give a sh1t about anything lol. GTA Essex
  • Score: -8

11:42am Wed 19 Feb 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
....i'm not finished yet, should have asked a neighbour if you could park for a few hours on their empty driveway, even if it looks like you can get more than 1 car on your driveway if that is infact your very long driveway in the photo.
No one likes getting a ticket but sometimes if you are well in the wrong its better to pay up and put it down to experience.
Not defending him but bad argument from you on this last one. I suspect the very long drive is where he agreed to store the two tons of salt.
2 ton of salt in bag form...how many bags is that on a pallet..not many, plenty of room, so my point still stands i reckon.... could of off loaded by hand per bag too.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: ....i'm not finished yet, should have asked a neighbour if you could park for a few hours on their empty driveway, even if it looks like you can get more than 1 car on your driveway if that is infact your very long driveway in the photo. No one likes getting a ticket but sometimes if you are well in the wrong its better to pay up and put it down to experience.[/p][/quote]Not defending him but bad argument from you on this last one. I suspect the very long drive is where he agreed to store the two tons of salt.[/p][/quote]2 ton of salt in bag form...how many bags is that on a pallet..not many, plenty of room, so my point still stands i reckon.... could of off loaded by hand per bag too. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: -4

11:59am Wed 19 Feb 14

Keptquiettillnow says...

UKIP jokers
UKIP jokers Keptquiettillnow
  • Score: -1

2:18pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

So if any of you lot above were having saltbags delivered to you by your county councillor you would make it as difficult as possible then?

Tell me, when was the last time any of you had salt bags delivered to you by your county councillor?

That's right. Probably never.

UKIP I am not fond of but I do know that a lot of local UKIP councillors are very much on the ball and indeed are the ones bringing waste spending to our attention.

So don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

When a public servant is actually serving the public, why criticise.

And in any case, as most here will know, I don't advocate over use of parking fascists, not unless somebody is causing a genuine obstruction.

In this case, the man was parking where he had been advised and was actually doing his duty - you know, what you pay him to do.

I am the first to slag off politicians for not doing what they should be doing. Indeed, a lot of them round here spend more time Tweeting than serving the public. But when somebody is actually doing what they are paid for I think consideration should be made.

And I would put forward the same argument for anyone else acting in the course of their duty, be they politician, salesman or delivery driver.
So if any of you lot above were having saltbags delivered to you by your county councillor you would make it as difficult as possible then? Tell me, when was the last time any of you had salt bags delivered to you by your county councillor? That's right. Probably never. UKIP I am not fond of but I do know that a lot of local UKIP councillors are very much on the ball and indeed are the ones bringing waste spending to our attention. So don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. When a public servant is actually serving the public, why criticise. And in any case, as most here will know, I don't advocate over use of parking fascists, not unless somebody is causing a genuine obstruction. In this case, the man was parking where he had been advised and was actually doing his duty - you know, what you pay him to do. I am the first to slag off politicians for not doing what they should be doing. Indeed, a lot of them round here spend more time Tweeting than serving the public. But when somebody is actually doing what they are paid for I think consideration should be made. And I would put forward the same argument for anyone else acting in the course of their duty, be they politician, salesman or delivery driver. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -3

2:37pm Wed 19 Feb 14

RochfordRob says...

'Doing his duty' What duty is that in regard to the distribution of salt and grit?

Is he part of the highways dept? if not, he has no duty at all.

He can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer to receive a parking fine outside his own house.

Anyone with half a brain cell would have moved the vehicle as soon as the warden arrived. They can't ticket a car that isn't there.

Massive fail on his part and now expects sympathy / compo for his stupidity.

I don't like parking restrictions either, but if I don't want to get fined I don't flout them.

Quite simple really.
'Doing his duty' What duty is that in regard to the distribution of salt and grit? Is he part of the highways dept? if not, he has no duty at all. He can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer to receive a parking fine outside his own house. Anyone with half a brain cell would have moved the vehicle as soon as the warden arrived. They can't ticket a car that isn't there. Massive fail on his part and now expects sympathy / compo for his stupidity. I don't like parking restrictions either, but if I don't want to get fined I don't flout them. Quite simple really. RochfordRob
  • Score: 4

3:49pm Wed 19 Feb 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
So if any of you lot above were having saltbags delivered to you by your county councillor you would make it as difficult as possible then?

Tell me, when was the last time any of you had salt bags delivered to you by your county councillor?

That's right. Probably never.

UKIP I am not fond of but I do know that a lot of local UKIP councillors are very much on the ball and indeed are the ones bringing waste spending to our attention.

So don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

When a public servant is actually serving the public, why criticise.

And in any case, as most here will know, I don't advocate over use of parking fascists, not unless somebody is causing a genuine obstruction.

In this case, the man was parking where he had been advised and was actually doing his duty - you know, what you pay him to do.

I am the first to slag off politicians for not doing what they should be doing. Indeed, a lot of them round here spend more time Tweeting than serving the public. But when somebody is actually doing what they are paid for I think consideration should be made.

And I would put forward the same argument for anyone else acting in the course of their duty, be they politician, salesman or delivery driver.
No never had salt bags delivered by the council/councillor.. although a gritter did and still does bring some salt our way and i did purchase some last year and they came in handy, you can also use the yellow salt boxes dotted around too.

so the council 'advised' him to park in a restricted area then..is that what you are saying, if so he would be given a dispensation pass to display, you are 100% certain he was advised by the council to park where he did...?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: So if any of you lot above were having saltbags delivered to you by your county councillor you would make it as difficult as possible then? Tell me, when was the last time any of you had salt bags delivered to you by your county councillor? That's right. Probably never. UKIP I am not fond of but I do know that a lot of local UKIP councillors are very much on the ball and indeed are the ones bringing waste spending to our attention. So don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. When a public servant is actually serving the public, why criticise. And in any case, as most here will know, I don't advocate over use of parking fascists, not unless somebody is causing a genuine obstruction. In this case, the man was parking where he had been advised and was actually doing his duty - you know, what you pay him to do. I am the first to slag off politicians for not doing what they should be doing. Indeed, a lot of them round here spend more time Tweeting than serving the public. But when somebody is actually doing what they are paid for I think consideration should be made. And I would put forward the same argument for anyone else acting in the course of their duty, be they politician, salesman or delivery driver.[/p][/quote]No never had salt bags delivered by the council/councillor.. although a gritter did and still does bring some salt our way and i did purchase some last year and they came in handy, you can also use the yellow salt boxes dotted around too. so the council 'advised' him to park in a restricted area then..is that what you are saying, if so he would be given a dispensation pass to display, you are 100% certain he was advised by the council to park where he did...? DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 5

6:55pm Wed 19 Feb 14

John T Pharro says...

Councillor Ellis you are not "being penalised for helping people out" you are being fined for a parking offence which you committed.
Councillor Ellis you are not "being penalised for helping people out" you are being fined for a parking offence which you committed. John T Pharro
  • Score: 5

7:30pm Wed 19 Feb 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

The councillor has no right whatsoever, using his own property to store this property, he has taken upon himself to meddle, storing this corrosive chemical, without the required by law COSH, storage facilities, he has then in the process of this illegal storage, parked illegally. Then has the temerity to go running to the press, when he's caught
The councillor has no right whatsoever, using his own property to store this property, he has taken upon himself to meddle, storing this corrosive chemical, without the required by law COSH, storage facilities, he has then in the process of this illegal storage, parked illegally. Then has the temerity to go running to the press, when he's caught carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: -18

8:38pm Wed 19 Feb 14

stopmoaning1 says...

I didn't know storing salt was illegal.
I've got some bags in the garden at the side of the house.
What special storage facilities should I install to keep them in?
When I bought them from Tesco they didn't tell me I needed special storage and they were selling them inside the shop stacked up just inside the door, so I had no idea I'd be breaking the law by putting them in the garden.
I didn't know storing salt was illegal. I've got some bags in the garden at the side of the house. What special storage facilities should I install to keep them in? When I bought them from Tesco they didn't tell me I needed special storage and they were selling them inside the shop stacked up just inside the door, so I had no idea I'd be breaking the law by putting them in the garden. stopmoaning1
  • Score: 27

9:39pm Wed 19 Feb 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
I didn't know storing salt was illegal.
I've got some bags in the garden at the side of the house.
What special storage facilities should I install to keep them in?
When I bought them from Tesco they didn't tell me I needed special storage and they were selling them inside the shop stacked up just inside the door, so I had no idea I'd be breaking the law by putting them in the garden.
one or two bags, not a problem, but anymore than five, then by law you need a locked cage, with a certificate from COSH
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: I didn't know storing salt was illegal. I've got some bags in the garden at the side of the house. What special storage facilities should I install to keep them in? When I bought them from Tesco they didn't tell me I needed special storage and they were selling them inside the shop stacked up just inside the door, so I had no idea I'd be breaking the law by putting them in the garden.[/p][/quote]one or two bags, not a problem, but anymore than five, then by law you need a locked cage, with a certificate from COSH carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: -22

10:15pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
The councillor has no right whatsoever, using his own property to store this property, he has taken upon himself to meddle, storing this corrosive chemical, without the required by law COSH, storage facilities, he has then in the process of this illegal storage, parked illegally. Then has the temerity to go running to the press, when he's caught
oh do shut up and take your elfnsafety claptrap somewhere else.

You people drive me nuts.

Corrosive chemical... you are acting like he's storing acid in an unsecured location.

This is SALT BAGS to keep people safe on icy roads. OK so we haven't had any snow but is that his fault? (And yes I know salt is corrosive but it's hardly like storing battery acid is it?)

You people are always bellyaching about politicians but I bet half of you either don't vote or keep voting in the same rubbish.

They get criticised when they don't do anything and criticised when they do. Damned if you do; damned if you don't. Can't win.

I'd be pretty p*ssed off if I was doing something useful for the community and some little Hitler in a uniform collared me. And the rest of you would be bellyaching too if you had stopped to do something necessary or useful and found some jobsworth sticking a ticket on your car.

Admit you are not perfect. For once.

You people are so hung up on this crap you lose touch with reality:

People who really deserve to be slagged off for being so openly public about their arrogance and profligacy you just ignore - and pick on less obvious targets because they're easier.

Like lazy journalism, this is lazy commentary.

One day you will wake up and realise how imperfect YOU are.

This holier than thou attitude really is getting a little tedious.

Don't bother with the usual slaggings off. I very RARELY read the stuff. Too predictable.

And sometimes it's too much fun to see how easily wound up some of you plaster saints are.

Still no real names either so it's so easy to stick it up other people isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: The councillor has no right whatsoever, using his own property to store this property, he has taken upon himself to meddle, storing this corrosive chemical, without the required by law COSH, storage facilities, he has then in the process of this illegal storage, parked illegally. Then has the temerity to go running to the press, when he's caught[/p][/quote]oh do shut up and take your elfnsafety claptrap somewhere else. You people drive me nuts. Corrosive chemical... you are acting like he's storing acid in an unsecured location. This is SALT BAGS to keep people safe on icy roads. OK so we haven't had any snow but is that his fault? (And yes I know salt is corrosive but it's hardly like storing battery acid is it?) You people are always bellyaching about politicians but I bet half of you either don't vote or keep voting in the same rubbish. They get criticised when they don't do anything and criticised when they do. Damned if you do; damned if you don't. Can't win. I'd be pretty p*ssed off if I was doing something useful for the community and some little Hitler in a uniform collared me. And the rest of you would be bellyaching too if you had stopped to do something necessary or useful and found some jobsworth sticking a ticket on your car. Admit you are not perfect. For once. You people are so hung up on this crap you lose touch with reality: People who really deserve to be slagged off for being so openly public about their arrogance and profligacy you just ignore - and pick on less obvious targets because they're easier. Like lazy journalism, this is lazy commentary. One day you will wake up and realise how imperfect YOU are. This holier than thou attitude really is getting a little tedious. Don't bother with the usual slaggings off. I very RARELY read the stuff. Too predictable. And sometimes it's too much fun to see how easily wound up some of you plaster saints are. Still no real names either so it's so easy to stick it up other people isn't it? Kim Gandy
  • Score: -7

10:15pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Nebs says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
I didn't know storing salt was illegal.
I've got some bags in the garden at the side of the house.
What special storage facilities should I install to keep them in?
When I bought them from Tesco they didn't tell me I needed special storage and they were selling them inside the shop stacked up just inside the door, so I had no idea I'd be breaking the law by putting them in the garden.
one or two bags, not a problem, but anymore than five, then by law you need a locked cage, with a certificate from COSH
Are you saying Tesco was breaking the law?
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: I didn't know storing salt was illegal. I've got some bags in the garden at the side of the house. What special storage facilities should I install to keep them in? When I bought them from Tesco they didn't tell me I needed special storage and they were selling them inside the shop stacked up just inside the door, so I had no idea I'd be breaking the law by putting them in the garden.[/p][/quote]one or two bags, not a problem, but anymore than five, then by law you need a locked cage, with a certificate from COSH[/p][/quote]Are you saying Tesco was breaking the law? Nebs
  • Score: 11

11:15pm Wed 19 Feb 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Maybe Tesco have a differant salt...the white crystal rapid ice melt variety and not the reddish brown rock salt, i know Aldi stock the white variety.
Maybe Tesco have a differant salt...the white crystal rapid ice melt variety and not the reddish brown rock salt, i know Aldi stock the white variety. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: -14

11:26pm Wed 19 Feb 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma

kessense
wrote:
The councillor has no right whatsoever, using his own property to store this property, he has taken upon himself to meddle, storing this corrosive chemical, without the required by law COSH, storage facilities, he has then in the process of this illegal storage, parked illegally. Then has the temerity to go running to the press, when he's caught
oh do shut up and take your elfnsafety claptrap somewhere else.

You people drive me nuts.

Corrosive chemical... you are acting like he's storing acid in an unsecured location.

This is SALT BAGS to keep people safe on icy roads. OK so we haven't had any snow but is that his fault? (And yes I know salt is corrosive but it's hardly like storing battery acid is it?)

You people are always bellyaching about politicians but I bet half of you either don't vote or keep voting in the same rubbish.

They get criticised when they don't do anything and criticised when they do. Damned if you do; damned if you don't. Can't win.

I'd be pretty p*ssed off if I was doing something useful for the community and some little Hitler in a uniform collared me. And the rest of you would be bellyaching too if you had stopped to do something necessary or useful and found some jobsworth sticking a ticket on your car.

Admit you are not perfect. For once.

You people are so hung up on this crap you lose touch with reality:

People who really deserve to be slagged off for being so openly public about their arrogance and profligacy you just ignore - and pick on less obvious targets because they're easier.

Like lazy journalism, this is lazy commentary.

One day you will wake up and realise how imperfect YOU are.

This holier than thou attitude really is getting a little tedious.

Don't bother with the usual slaggings off. I very RARELY read the stuff. Too predictable.

And sometimes it's too much fun to see how easily wound up some of you plaster saints are.

Still no real names either so it's so easy to stick it up other people isn't it?
.
he did wrong...its simple as that, he had NO permission from the council to park illegally and got a ticket...simple, but he really should have thought about moving his car instead of getting into a conversation with the person with the ticket machine, would have been home and dry and would not have got an icy reception and gritty responses from us.

incidently i seen the SBC gritters out a few nights back(and a few times over the last few weeks)....very mild for time of year too the dafs are popping out as are other plant/flower forms even see a wasp the other day too, maybe the thermometer in the office was playing up
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: The councillor has no right whatsoever, using his own property to store this property, he has taken upon himself to meddle, storing this corrosive chemical, without the required by law COSH, storage facilities, he has then in the process of this illegal storage, parked illegally. Then has the temerity to go running to the press, when he's caught[/p][/quote]oh do shut up and take your elfnsafety claptrap somewhere else. You people drive me nuts. Corrosive chemical... you are acting like he's storing acid in an unsecured location. This is SALT BAGS to keep people safe on icy roads. OK so we haven't had any snow but is that his fault? (And yes I know salt is corrosive but it's hardly like storing battery acid is it?) You people are always bellyaching about politicians but I bet half of you either don't vote or keep voting in the same rubbish. They get criticised when they don't do anything and criticised when they do. Damned if you do; damned if you don't. Can't win. I'd be pretty p*ssed off if I was doing something useful for the community and some little Hitler in a uniform collared me. And the rest of you would be bellyaching too if you had stopped to do something necessary or useful and found some jobsworth sticking a ticket on your car. Admit you are not perfect. For once. You people are so hung up on this crap you lose touch with reality: People who really deserve to be slagged off for being so openly public about their arrogance and profligacy you just ignore - and pick on less obvious targets because they're easier. Like lazy journalism, this is lazy commentary. One day you will wake up and realise how imperfect YOU are. This holier than thou attitude really is getting a little tedious. Don't bother with the usual slaggings off. I very RARELY read the stuff. Too predictable. And sometimes it's too much fun to see how easily wound up some of you plaster saints are. Still no real names either so it's so easy to stick it up other people isn't it?[/p][/quote]. he did wrong...its simple as that, he had NO permission from the council to park illegally and got a ticket...simple, but he really should have thought about moving his car instead of getting into a conversation with the person with the ticket machine, would have been home and dry and would not have got an icy reception and gritty responses from us. incidently i seen the SBC gritters out a few nights back(and a few times over the last few weeks)....very mild for time of year too the dafs are popping out as are other plant/flower forms even see a wasp the other day too, maybe the thermometer in the office was playing up DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 0

9:48am Thu 20 Feb 14

stopmoaning1 says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
I didn't know storing salt was illegal.
I've got some bags in the garden at the side of the house.
What special storage facilities should I install to keep them in?
When I bought them from Tesco they didn't tell me I needed special storage and they were selling them inside the shop stacked up just inside the door, so I had no idea I'd be breaking the law by putting them in the garden.
one or two bags, not a problem, but anymore than five, then by law you need a locked cage, with a certificate from COSH
Ha ha, I love posts from people who are experts in their own minds.

One or two bags is not a problem is ok, but any more than five needs a locked cage and COSH certificate.

So one or two bags is ok, as is three, for or five bags then.
What size bags do you mean?
A cosh is a weapon.
I suspect you are attempting to be an expert in COSHH. Control of Substances Hazardous to Health
I guess the locked cage would need to be made of plastic to stop it corroding, and I guess too that the holes in the cage will need to be filled in to stop the salt that has escaped from the bags getting out of the cage.
A cage in the form of a plastic box sounds ideal for this.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: I didn't know storing salt was illegal. I've got some bags in the garden at the side of the house. What special storage facilities should I install to keep them in? When I bought them from Tesco they didn't tell me I needed special storage and they were selling them inside the shop stacked up just inside the door, so I had no idea I'd be breaking the law by putting them in the garden.[/p][/quote]one or two bags, not a problem, but anymore than five, then by law you need a locked cage, with a certificate from COSH[/p][/quote]Ha ha, I love posts from people who are experts in their own minds. One or two bags is not a problem is ok, but any more than five needs a locked cage and COSH certificate. So one or two bags is ok, as is three, for or five bags then. What size bags do you mean? A cosh is a weapon. I suspect you are attempting to be an expert in COSHH. Control of Substances Hazardous to Health I guess the locked cage would need to be made of plastic to stop it corroding, and I guess too that the holes in the cage will need to be filled in to stop the salt that has escaped from the bags getting out of the cage. A cage in the form of a plastic box sounds ideal for this. stopmoaning1
  • Score: 14

9:52am Thu 20 Feb 14

stopmoaning1 says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
I didn't know storing salt was illegal.
I've got some bags in the garden at the side of the house.
What special storage facilities should I install to keep them in?
When I bought them from Tesco they didn't tell me I needed special storage and they were selling them inside the shop stacked up just inside the door, so I had no idea I'd be breaking the law by putting them in the garden.
one or two bags, not a problem, but anymore than five, then by law you need a locked cage, with a certificate from COSH
Ha ha, I love posts from people who are experts in their own minds.

One or two bags is not a problem is ok, but any more than five needs a locked cage and COSH certificate.

So one or two bags is ok, as is three, for or five bags then.
What size bags do you mean?
A cosh is a weapon.
I suspect you are attempting to be an expert in COSHH. Control of Substances Hazardous to Health
I guess the locked cage would need to be made of plastic to stop it corroding, and I guess too that the holes in the cage will need to be filled in to stop the salt that has escaped from the bags getting out of the cage.
A cage in the form of a plastic box sounds ideal for this.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: I didn't know storing salt was illegal. I've got some bags in the garden at the side of the house. What special storage facilities should I install to keep them in? When I bought them from Tesco they didn't tell me I needed special storage and they were selling them inside the shop stacked up just inside the door, so I had no idea I'd be breaking the law by putting them in the garden.[/p][/quote]one or two bags, not a problem, but anymore than five, then by law you need a locked cage, with a certificate from COSH[/p][/quote]Ha ha, I love posts from people who are experts in their own minds. One or two bags is not a problem is ok, but any more than five needs a locked cage and COSH certificate. So one or two bags is ok, as is three, for or five bags then. What size bags do you mean? A cosh is a weapon. I suspect you are attempting to be an expert in COSHH. Control of Substances Hazardous to Health I guess the locked cage would need to be made of plastic to stop it corroding, and I guess too that the holes in the cage will need to be filled in to stop the salt that has escaped from the bags getting out of the cage. A cage in the form of a plastic box sounds ideal for this. stopmoaning1
  • Score: -2

9:54am Thu 20 Feb 14

stopmoaning1 says...

sorry for the double post, **** web site!
sorry for the double post, **** web site! stopmoaning1
  • Score: 0

12:30pm Thu 20 Feb 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Well the ticket still stands, as for the use of his domestic property for the storage of council property, and distribution of same, he may now face further precedings, as he has now breached the housing act
Well the ticket still stands, as for the use of his domestic property for the storage of council property, and distribution of same, he may now face further precedings, as he has now breached the housing act carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: -15

1:51pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Maverick06 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote: The councillor has no right whatsoever, using his own property to store this property, he has taken upon himself to meddle, storing this corrosive chemical, without the required by law COSH, storage facilities, he has then in the process of this illegal storage, parked illegally. Then has the temerity to go running to the press, when he's caught
oh do shut up and take your elfnsafety claptrap somewhere else. You people drive me nuts. Corrosive chemical... you are acting like he's storing acid in an unsecured location. This is SALT BAGS to keep people safe on icy roads. OK so we haven't had any snow but is that his fault? (And yes I know salt is corrosive but it's hardly like storing battery acid is it?) You people are always bellyaching about politicians but I bet half of you either don't vote or keep voting in the same rubbish. They get criticised when they don't do anything and criticised when they do. Damned if you do; damned if you don't. Can't win. I'd be pretty p*ssed off if I was doing something useful for the community and some little Hitler in a uniform collared me. And the rest of you would be bellyaching too if you had stopped to do something necessary or useful and found some jobsworth sticking a ticket on your car. Admit you are not perfect. For once. You people are so hung up on this crap you lose touch with reality: People who really deserve to be slagged off for being so openly public about their arrogance and profligacy you just ignore - and pick on less obvious targets because they're easier. Like lazy journalism, this is lazy commentary. One day you will wake up and realise how imperfect YOU are. This holier than thou attitude really is getting a little tedious. Don't bother with the usual slaggings off. I very RARELY read the stuff. Too predictable. And sometimes it's too much fun to see how easily wound up some of you plaster saints are. Still no real names either so it's so easy to stick it up other people isn't it?
Pathetic idiots like you use the words Fascist, little Hitler and jobs worth for people doing their job correctly, but you think some Councillor who goes running to the paper, trying to get off a parking ticket is right, just because he thinks he is doing a good deed over some salt?
He got caught and should pay up and shut up!
He probably told the Traffic Warden that he was a Councillor expecting him /her to tip their cap, bow their head slightly and say “sorry sir”!
How did this even get almost a full page in the paper?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: The councillor has no right whatsoever, using his own property to store this property, he has taken upon himself to meddle, storing this corrosive chemical, without the required by law COSH, storage facilities, he has then in the process of this illegal storage, parked illegally. Then has the temerity to go running to the press, when he's caught[/p][/quote]oh do shut up and take your elfnsafety claptrap somewhere else. You people drive me nuts. Corrosive chemical... you are acting like he's storing acid in an unsecured location. This is SALT BAGS to keep people safe on icy roads. OK so we haven't had any snow but is that his fault? (And yes I know salt is corrosive but it's hardly like storing battery acid is it?) You people are always bellyaching about politicians but I bet half of you either don't vote or keep voting in the same rubbish. They get criticised when they don't do anything and criticised when they do. Damned if you do; damned if you don't. Can't win. I'd be pretty p*ssed off if I was doing something useful for the community and some little Hitler in a uniform collared me. And the rest of you would be bellyaching too if you had stopped to do something necessary or useful and found some jobsworth sticking a ticket on your car. Admit you are not perfect. For once. You people are so hung up on this crap you lose touch with reality: People who really deserve to be slagged off for being so openly public about their arrogance and profligacy you just ignore - and pick on less obvious targets because they're easier. Like lazy journalism, this is lazy commentary. One day you will wake up and realise how imperfect YOU are. This holier than thou attitude really is getting a little tedious. Don't bother with the usual slaggings off. I very RARELY read the stuff. Too predictable. And sometimes it's too much fun to see how easily wound up some of you plaster saints are. Still no real names either so it's so easy to stick it up other people isn't it?[/p][/quote]Pathetic idiots like you use the words Fascist, little Hitler and jobs worth for people doing their job correctly, but you think some Councillor who goes running to the paper, trying to get off a parking ticket is right, just because he thinks he is doing a good deed over some salt? He got caught and should pay up and shut up! He probably told the Traffic Warden that he was a Councillor expecting him /her to tip their cap, bow their head slightly and say “sorry sir”! How did this even get almost a full page in the paper? Maverick06
  • Score: 4

2:31pm Thu 20 Feb 14

stopmoaning1 says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
Well the ticket still stands, as for the use of his domestic property for the storage of council property, and distribution of same, he may now face further precedings, as he has now breached the housing act
Ah, expert in that too eh?
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Well the ticket still stands, as for the use of his domestic property for the storage of council property, and distribution of same, he may now face further precedings, as he has now breached the housing act[/p][/quote]Ah, expert in that too eh? stopmoaning1
  • Score: 11

3:56pm Thu 20 Feb 14

the25man says...

There are times when it is necessary to park in restricted areas but to do this you have to have a dispensation letter from the parking authority. If Mr Ellis had permission from the Council he would still have to get the dispensation letter. Even the wardens on motor bikes have to park in legal bays..Mr Ellis its your own fault so just pay up
There are times when it is necessary to park in restricted areas but to do this you have to have a dispensation letter from the parking authority. If Mr Ellis had permission from the Council he would still have to get the dispensation letter. Even the wardens on motor bikes have to park in legal bays..Mr Ellis its your own fault so just pay up the25man
  • Score: 1

8:46pm Thu 20 Feb 14

EchoDave says...

You know everyone of you who have had a go at Mark Ellis should hang your heads in shame when have any of you done anything for your local community this man went out of his way to do something for his local community and all you can do is slate him Yeah he parked illegely but i bet if it was a labour, conservative or lib-dem councillor they would have had there fine dropped at appeal but because Mark is UKIP his appeal isn't upheld.
and you don't see any of the councillers from the other partys taking in salt to give out to there community. So until any of you have done something for your community none of you have the right to have a go at Mark
You know everyone of you who have had a go at Mark Ellis should hang your heads in shame when have any of you done anything for your local community this man went out of his way to do something for his local community and all you can do is slate him Yeah he parked illegely but i bet if it was a labour, conservative or lib-dem councillor they would have had there fine dropped at appeal but because Mark is UKIP his appeal isn't upheld. and you don't see any of the councillers from the other partys taking in salt to give out to there community. So until any of you have done something for your community none of you have the right to have a go at Mark EchoDave
  • Score: -5

10:51am Fri 21 Feb 14

Barry Bas says...

EchoDave wrote:
You know everyone of you who have had a go at Mark Ellis should hang your heads in shame when have any of you done anything for your local community this man went out of his way to do something for his local community and all you can do is slate him Yeah he parked illegely but i bet if it was a labour, conservative or lib-dem councillor they would have had there fine dropped at appeal but because Mark is UKIP his appeal isn't upheld. and you don't see any of the councillers from the other partys taking in salt to give out to there community. So until any of you have done something for your community none of you have the right to have a go at Mark
Maybe the other councillors have taken in salt yet we haven't heard about it as they parked correctly when it was delivered so didn't get a fine and didn't go running to the papers bleating about how unfair it was.

Also you say none of us have the right to have a go at him, I'm afraid by going to the papers he gave everybody their right to reply in the comments.
[quote][p][bold]EchoDave[/bold] wrote: You know everyone of you who have had a go at Mark Ellis should hang your heads in shame when have any of you done anything for your local community this man went out of his way to do something for his local community and all you can do is slate him Yeah he parked illegely but i bet if it was a labour, conservative or lib-dem councillor they would have had there fine dropped at appeal but because Mark is UKIP his appeal isn't upheld. and you don't see any of the councillers from the other partys taking in salt to give out to there community. So until any of you have done something for your community none of you have the right to have a go at Mark[/p][/quote]Maybe the other councillors have taken in salt yet we haven't heard about it as they parked correctly when it was delivered so didn't get a fine and didn't go running to the papers bleating about how unfair it was. Also you say none of us have the right to have a go at him, I'm afraid by going to the papers he gave everybody their right to reply in the comments. Barry Bas
  • Score: 10

3:19pm Sun 23 Feb 14

jolllyboy says...

Now you know how it feels. Mind you any opportunity the councils get to knock UKIP they will take. They are worried - bring it on...........no-one will deter us from voting UKIP.
Now you know how it feels. Mind you any opportunity the councils get to knock UKIP they will take. They are worried - bring it on...........no-one will deter us from voting UKIP. jolllyboy
  • Score: 3

3:06pm Mon 24 Feb 14

ThisYear says...

jolllyboy wrote:
Now you know how it feels. Mind you any opportunity the councils get to knock UKIP they will take. They are worried - bring it on...........no-one will deter us from voting UKIP.
You are entitled to waste your vote anyway you like..
[quote][p][bold]jolllyboy[/bold] wrote: Now you know how it feels. Mind you any opportunity the councils get to knock UKIP they will take. They are worried - bring it on...........no-one will deter us from voting UKIP.[/p][/quote]You are entitled to waste your vote anyway you like.. ThisYear
  • Score: -1

5:07pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Bernard Fatsack says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
I didn't know storing salt was illegal.
I've got some bags in the garden at the side of the house.
What special storage facilities should I install to keep them in?
When I bought them from Tesco they didn't tell me I needed special storage and they were selling them inside the shop stacked up just inside the door, so I had no idea I'd be breaking the law by putting them in the garden.
To penalise farmers in medieval times they would put salt (sodium chloride) on there land to render it useless.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: I didn't know storing salt was illegal. I've got some bags in the garden at the side of the house. What special storage facilities should I install to keep them in? When I bought them from Tesco they didn't tell me I needed special storage and they were selling them inside the shop stacked up just inside the door, so I had no idea I'd be breaking the law by putting them in the garden.[/p][/quote]To penalise farmers in medieval times they would put salt (sodium chloride) on there land to render it useless. Bernard Fatsack
  • Score: 0

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