Streetlight ban is blamed for wave of car vandalism

Streetlight ban is blamed for wave of car vandalism

Streetlight ban is blamed for wave of car vandalism

First published in News

VANDALS have targeted cars parked across Canvey during a spate of late-night attacks.

The Echo reported last week that five parked cars, in Hawkesbury Road, were damaged after paint stripper was thrown over them, causing thousands of pounds of damage.

However, it has now been revealed roads including First Avenue, Hilton Road and Ash Road have also been hit.

At least seven more cars have been severely damaged and it is thought paint stripper was again used to damage the cars.

One owner said the street light switch-off across Castle Point is making it difficult to catch the yobs, as noone was caught on CCTV.

Emma Huer, of Ash Road, said it could cost her hundreds of pounds to repair the bodywork of her blue Fiat Punto.

She said: “I am absolutely furious. I don’t want to go through my insurance because I’ll have to pay a £300 excess.

“I have better things to spend my money on. I have no idea why people would target these cars. It doesn’t make any sense. And it seems like they are going for fairly new cars. I don’t know if it is a jealousy thing, but it’s ridiculous. I go out to work, my husband goes out to work. It’s the last thing we need.”

Steven Cole, Canvey Independent councillor for Winter Garden ward, blames the street light switch-off.

He said: “I just think it’s ironic they have switched off the lights and it seems the crime rate is going up. When the lights go out it’s scary outside, especially for women, they feel so threatened.”

A police spokesman said the damage had been caused between 10am on Tuesday, April 22, and 8am on Wednesday, April 23.

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9:04am Thu 1 May 14

Jack222 says...

Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime.

Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on.

Save our council tax!!
Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!! Jack222
  • Score: -18

9:14am Thu 1 May 14

morbeous says...

Jack222 wrote:
Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime.

Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on.

Save our council tax!!
I hope they target your car next
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!![/p][/quote]I hope they target your car next morbeous
  • Score: 9

9:19am Thu 1 May 14

Adrenaline_Junkie says...

We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act.

In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.
We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act. In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage. Adrenaline_Junkie
  • Score: -15

9:32am Thu 1 May 14

blackheart says...

Why can't they fit infra red sensors to the streetlights?
Why can't they fit infra red sensors to the streetlights? blackheart
  • Score: 6

10:10am Thu 1 May 14

Howard Cháse says...

I blame the vandals.
I blame the vandals. Howard Cháse
  • Score: 16

10:38am Thu 1 May 14

LoopyLou88 says...

no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.
no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises. LoopyLou88
  • Score: -5

11:02am Thu 1 May 14

Chris Flunk says...

LoopyLou88 wrote:
no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.
Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer.

The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year.

Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off:

Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported.
Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported.
0% change in crime rates.

Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported.
Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported.
11% reduction in crime rates.

No surprises?
[quote][p][bold]LoopyLou88[/bold] wrote: no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.[/p][/quote]Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer. The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year. Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off: Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported. Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported. 0% change in crime rates. Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported. Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported. 11% reduction in crime rates. No surprises? Chris Flunk
  • Score: 8

11:10am Thu 1 May 14

pembury53 says...

blackheart wrote:
Why can't they fit infra red sensors to the streetlights?
1. ££££££
2. they take several minutes to switch on from cold being sodium lamps
3. it would be like the worlds biggest disco with every, fox, cat, badger, human, car........
[quote][p][bold]blackheart[/bold] wrote: Why can't they fit infra red sensors to the streetlights?[/p][/quote]1. ££££££ 2. they take several minutes to switch on from cold being sodium lamps 3. it would be like the worlds biggest disco with every, fox, cat, badger, human, car........ pembury53
  • Score: 15

11:37am Thu 1 May 14

shoess3 says...

Or just do what Southend Borough Council are doing. No street lights will be switched off at night; instead they're spending money replacing all lamps with LED ones. Surely this is the most sensible approach to the problem?!
Or just do what Southend Borough Council are doing. No street lights will be switched off at night; instead they're spending money replacing all lamps with LED ones. Surely this is the most sensible approach to the problem?! shoess3
  • Score: 14

12:07pm Thu 1 May 14

Hockleyt Woods says...

Jack222 wrote:
Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime.

Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on.

Save our council tax!!
No it's not going up, (crime), and I have that on good authority.

Wanton vandalism happens all the time caused by local yobbo's.

Lights on lights off makes no difference, criminals are scared of the dark too.
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!![/p][/quote]No it's not going up, (crime), and I have that on good authority. Wanton vandalism happens all the time caused by local yobbo's. Lights on lights off makes no difference, criminals are scared of the dark too. Hockleyt Woods
  • Score: 7

12:23pm Thu 1 May 14

Ian P says...

shoess3 wrote:
Or just do what Southend Borough Council are doing. No street lights will be switched off at night; instead they're spending money replacing all lamps with LED ones. Surely this is the most sensible approach to the problem?!
While what you say is true, Bass & Co have already wasted £6.5mil on the equipment to turn the lights on and off. Unfortunately this is what happens when you allow people without the necessary knowledge and experience into positions of power.
[quote][p][bold]shoess3[/bold] wrote: Or just do what Southend Borough Council are doing. No street lights will be switched off at night; instead they're spending money replacing all lamps with LED ones. Surely this is the most sensible approach to the problem?![/p][/quote]While what you say is true, Bass & Co have already wasted £6.5mil on the equipment to turn the lights on and off. Unfortunately this is what happens when you allow people without the necessary knowledge and experience into positions of power. Ian P
  • Score: 9

12:28pm Thu 1 May 14

sesibollox says...

Chris Flunk wrote:
LoopyLou88 wrote:
no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.
Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer.

The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year.

Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off:

Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported.
Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported.
0% change in crime rates.

Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported.
Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported.
11% reduction in crime rates.

No surprises?
If anything crime goes down with the Lights off, people will always scratch a shiney car, because they are jealous and angry not to own one themselves, a consideration, to remember, if you have such a problem.
[quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoopyLou88[/bold] wrote: no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.[/p][/quote]Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer. The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year. Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off: Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported. Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported. 0% change in crime rates. Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported. Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported. 11% reduction in crime rates. No surprises?[/p][/quote]If anything crime goes down with the Lights off, people will always scratch a shiney car, because they are jealous and angry not to own one themselves, a consideration, to remember, if you have such a problem. sesibollox
  • Score: 8

12:30pm Thu 1 May 14

Ian P says...

Hockleyt Woods wrote:
Jack222 wrote: Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!!
No it's not going up, (crime), and I have that on good authority. Wanton vandalism happens all the time caused by local yobbo's. Lights on lights off makes no difference, criminals are scared of the dark too.
I think you are missing the point. Those criminals not scared of the dark no longer have the deterant of CCTV because most of it does not work in darkness.
[quote][p][bold]Hockleyt Woods[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!![/p][/quote]No it's not going up, (crime), and I have that on good authority. Wanton vandalism happens all the time caused by local yobbo's. Lights on lights off makes no difference, criminals are scared of the dark too.[/p][/quote]I think you are missing the point. Those criminals not scared of the dark no longer have the deterant of CCTV because most of it does not work in darkness. Ian P
  • Score: -5

12:32pm Thu 1 May 14

sesibollox says...

A police spokesman said the damage had been caused between 10am on Tuesday, April 22, and 8am on Wednesday, April 23..................
...
As for the ridiculous claim, that people are as good as blind with the lights off, people are actually better off, as once the short time of your eyes getting used to the darkness, no problem, in fact without the street lights on, you can see more
A police spokesman said the damage had been caused between 10am on Tuesday, April 22, and 8am on Wednesday, April 23.................. ... As for the ridiculous claim, that people are as good as blind with the lights off, people are actually better off, as once the short time of your eyes getting used to the darkness, no problem, in fact without the street lights on, you can see more sesibollox
  • Score: 3

12:38pm Thu 1 May 14

sesibollox says...

Ian P wrote:
Hockleyt Woods wrote:
Jack222 wrote: Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!!
No it's not going up, (crime), and I have that on good authority. Wanton vandalism happens all the time caused by local yobbo's. Lights on lights off makes no difference, criminals are scared of the dark too.
I think you are missing the point. Those criminals not scared of the dark no longer have the deterant of CCTV because most of it does not work in darkness.
TIME TO STOP sitting on your Laurels - upgrade for little extra cost, to see in the dark, in fact it's higly likely that if your cameras cannot see in the dark, they need replacing, how much do you value your stuff for ???
[quote][p][bold]Ian P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hockleyt Woods[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!![/p][/quote]No it's not going up, (crime), and I have that on good authority. Wanton vandalism happens all the time caused by local yobbo's. Lights on lights off makes no difference, criminals are scared of the dark too.[/p][/quote]I think you are missing the point. Those criminals not scared of the dark no longer have the deterant of CCTV because most of it does not work in darkness.[/p][/quote]TIME TO STOP sitting on your Laurels - upgrade for little extra cost, to see in the dark, in fact it's higly likely that if your cameras cannot see in the dark, they need replacing, how much do you value your stuff for ??? sesibollox
  • Score: 1

12:47pm Thu 1 May 14

Mattster says...

shoess3 wrote:
Or just do what Southend Borough Council are doing. No street lights will be switched off at night; instead they're spending money replacing all lamps with LED ones. Surely this is the most sensible approach to the problem?!
No because LED streetlamps are $hite!
[quote][p][bold]shoess3[/bold] wrote: Or just do what Southend Borough Council are doing. No street lights will be switched off at night; instead they're spending money replacing all lamps with LED ones. Surely this is the most sensible approach to the problem?![/p][/quote]No because LED streetlamps are $hite! Mattster
  • Score: -2

12:47pm Thu 1 May 14

sesibollox says...

Time to clear your rubbish filled garages of all the cr@p, and use it as it was intended for, no garage ? get an older car, thus scratch resistant........
Time to clear your rubbish filled garages of all the cr@p, and use it as it was intended for, no garage ? get an older car, thus scratch resistant........ sesibollox
  • Score: 2

12:51pm Thu 1 May 14

shoess3 says...

Mattster wrote:
shoess3 wrote:
Or just do what Southend Borough Council are doing. No street lights will be switched off at night; instead they're spending money replacing all lamps with LED ones. Surely this is the most sensible approach to the problem?!
No because LED streetlamps are $hite!
Better than pitch black darkness. Also, it's a matter of opinion - they are brighter and whiter, making CCTV recordings even clearer.
[quote][p][bold]Mattster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoess3[/bold] wrote: Or just do what Southend Borough Council are doing. No street lights will be switched off at night; instead they're spending money replacing all lamps with LED ones. Surely this is the most sensible approach to the problem?![/p][/quote]No because LED streetlamps are $hite![/p][/quote]Better than pitch black darkness. Also, it's a matter of opinion - they are brighter and whiter, making CCTV recordings even clearer. shoess3
  • Score: 4

12:51pm Thu 1 May 14

sesibollox says...

Adrenaline_Junkie wrote:
We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act.

In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.
Like most folk should be at this hour, asleep, resting for the days work later, the car garaged...
[quote][p][bold]Adrenaline_Junkie[/bold] wrote: We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act. In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.[/p][/quote]Like most folk should be at this hour, asleep, resting for the days work later, the car garaged... sesibollox
  • Score: -2

1:03pm Thu 1 May 14

pembury53 says...

Chris Flunk wrote:
LoopyLou88 wrote: no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.
Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer. The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year. Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off: Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported. Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported. 0% change in crime rates. Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported. Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported. 11% reduction in crime rates. No surprises?
"Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported.
Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported.
0% change in crime rates".......... or cut and paste
[quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoopyLou88[/bold] wrote: no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.[/p][/quote]Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer. The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year. Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off: Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported. Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported. 0% change in crime rates. Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported. Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported. 11% reduction in crime rates. No surprises?[/p][/quote]"Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported. Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported. 0% change in crime rates".......... or cut and paste pembury53
  • Score: 4

1:08pm Thu 1 May 14

profondo asbo says...

Chris Flunk wrote:
LoopyLou88 wrote:
no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.
Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer.

The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year.

Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off:

Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported.
Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported.
0% change in crime rates.

Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported.
Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported.
11% reduction in crime rates.

No surprises?
less crime is reported because it's a complete waste of time reporting it.
[quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoopyLou88[/bold] wrote: no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.[/p][/quote]Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer. The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year. Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off: Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported. Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported. 0% change in crime rates. Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported. Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported. 11% reduction in crime rates. No surprises?[/p][/quote]less crime is reported because it's a complete waste of time reporting it. profondo asbo
  • Score: 7

1:17pm Thu 1 May 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

profondo asbo wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
LoopyLou88 wrote:
no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.
Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer.

The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year.

Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off:

Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported.
Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported.
0% change in crime rates.

Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported.
Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported.
11% reduction in crime rates.

No surprises?
less crime is reported because it's a complete waste of time reporting it.
Must hurt to learn the simple fact, the switch off, hasn't changed a bean, in regards to rising crime, now you lot, find another story to winge on about
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoopyLou88[/bold] wrote: no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.[/p][/quote]Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer. The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year. Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off: Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported. Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported. 0% change in crime rates. Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported. Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported. 11% reduction in crime rates. No surprises?[/p][/quote]less crime is reported because it's a complete waste of time reporting it.[/p][/quote]Must hurt to learn the simple fact, the switch off, hasn't changed a bean, in regards to rising crime, now you lot, find another story to winge on about carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 5

1:38pm Thu 1 May 14

profondo asbo says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
LoopyLou88 wrote:
no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.
Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer.

The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year.

Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off:

Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported.
Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported.
0% change in crime rates.

Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported.
Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported.
11% reduction in crime rates.

No surprises?
less crime is reported because it's a complete waste of time reporting it.
Must hurt to learn the simple fact, the switch off, hasn't changed a bean, in regards to rising crime, now you lot, find another story to winge on about
you think 2 months of numbers makes a trend? didn't it pi55 down in jan/feb? crime stats are always lower in bad weather - just like retail sales. reported crimes will be significantly higher in march and april - you heard it here first.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoopyLou88[/bold] wrote: no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.[/p][/quote]Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer. The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year. Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off: Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported. Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported. 0% change in crime rates. Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported. Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported. 11% reduction in crime rates. No surprises?[/p][/quote]less crime is reported because it's a complete waste of time reporting it.[/p][/quote]Must hurt to learn the simple fact, the switch off, hasn't changed a bean, in regards to rising crime, now you lot, find another story to winge on about[/p][/quote]you think 2 months of numbers makes a trend? didn't it pi55 down in jan/feb? crime stats are always lower in bad weather - just like retail sales. reported crimes will be significantly higher in march and april - you heard it here first. profondo asbo
  • Score: 2

1:43pm Thu 1 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

Jack222 wrote:
Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime.

Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on.

Save our council tax!!
...and are we saving our council tax? No. We are getting few hours' lighting and paying the same.

This whole shenanigan cost £6.7 million pounds which will take over seven years to pay off. And our council tax is no less.

The crime rate is going up during after lights out hours. This newspaper has been reporting these incidents for weeks but you are conveniently ignoring them.

Also what about those in the night time economy who can't afford cab fares home. I was talking to some night staff in Tesco and they were saying how scary it was going home after dark.

Most people don't have a problem driving in it but walking is a different matter. And the elderly and vulnerable who live alone are scared to set foot outside their front doors.

And don't give me the old "folk should be tucked up in their beds by midnight" routine.

You can't dictate people's lifestyles or livelihoods.

This could have been dealt with more sensibly. For example they could have turned every other streetlight off , that wouldn't have incurred any extra expense at all.

Check your facts before opining.
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!![/p][/quote]...and are we saving our council tax? No. We are getting few hours' lighting and paying the same. This whole shenanigan cost £6.7 million pounds which will take over seven years to pay off. And our council tax is no less. The crime rate is going up during after lights out hours. This newspaper has been reporting these incidents for weeks but you are conveniently ignoring them. Also what about those in the night time economy who can't afford cab fares home. I was talking to some night staff in Tesco and they were saying how scary it was going home after dark. Most people don't have a problem driving in it but walking is a different matter. And the elderly and vulnerable who live alone are scared to set foot outside their front doors. And don't give me the old "folk should be tucked up in their beds by midnight" routine. You can't dictate people's lifestyles or livelihoods. This could have been dealt with more sensibly. For example they could have turned every other streetlight off , that wouldn't have incurred any extra expense at all. Check your facts before opining. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -2

1:48pm Thu 1 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

Adrenaline_Junkie wrote:
We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act.

In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.
You are so proud of yourself aren't you?

There are men out in the front line in Afghanistan, people in the fire service and ambulance crews, all people putting their lives on the line; meanwhile people like you can sit on here spouting this rubbish.

How would you like it if I chucked stuff over your car, or broke into your house and trashed it. You'd just come and have a "quiet word" with me would you?

Pull the other one.

I hope somebody trashes your car real soon. I hope you leave it somewhere parked and somebody comes along and gives you the treatment.

Sooner or later you will be on the receiving end of karma so I wouldn't be so smug if I were you.

You may well be tucked up in your bed but there are people working in the night time economy, in hospitals and other services whose shoes you are not worthy of licking.

Your complacency and pride are due for a fall. Big style.
[quote][p][bold]Adrenaline_Junkie[/bold] wrote: We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act. In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.[/p][/quote]You are so proud of yourself aren't you? There are men out in the front line in Afghanistan, people in the fire service and ambulance crews, all people putting their lives on the line; meanwhile people like you can sit on here spouting this rubbish. How would you like it if I chucked stuff over your car, or broke into your house and trashed it. You'd just come and have a "quiet word" with me would you? Pull the other one. I hope somebody trashes your car real soon. I hope you leave it somewhere parked and somebody comes along and gives you the treatment. Sooner or later you will be on the receiving end of karma so I wouldn't be so smug if I were you. You may well be tucked up in your bed but there are people working in the night time economy, in hospitals and other services whose shoes you are not worthy of licking. Your complacency and pride are due for a fall. Big style. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 3

1:50pm Thu 1 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

Hockleyt Woods wrote:
Jack222 wrote:
Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime.

Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on.

Save our council tax!!
No it's not going up, (crime), and I have that on good authority.

Wanton vandalism happens all the time caused by local yobbo's.

Lights on lights off makes no difference, criminals are scared of the dark too.
Aw bless em.
[quote][p][bold]Hockleyt Woods[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!![/p][/quote]No it's not going up, (crime), and I have that on good authority. Wanton vandalism happens all the time caused by local yobbo's. Lights on lights off makes no difference, criminals are scared of the dark too.[/p][/quote]Aw bless em. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -2

1:51pm Thu 1 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

shoess3 wrote:
Or just do what Southend Borough Council are doing. No street lights will be switched off at night; instead they're spending money replacing all lamps with LED ones. Surely this is the most sensible approach to the problem?!
Sensible doesn't come into it unfortunately. It's all about appeasing Brussels and their Warmist diktats.
[quote][p][bold]shoess3[/bold] wrote: Or just do what Southend Borough Council are doing. No street lights will be switched off at night; instead they're spending money replacing all lamps with LED ones. Surely this is the most sensible approach to the problem?![/p][/quote]Sensible doesn't come into it unfortunately. It's all about appeasing Brussels and their Warmist diktats. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -1

1:51pm Thu 1 May 14

profondo asbo says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Adrenaline_Junkie wrote:
We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act.

In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.
You are so proud of yourself aren't you?

There are men out in the front line in Afghanistan, people in the fire service and ambulance crews, all people putting their lives on the line; meanwhile people like you can sit on here spouting this rubbish.

How would you like it if I chucked stuff over your car, or broke into your house and trashed it. You'd just come and have a "quiet word" with me would you?

Pull the other one.

I hope somebody trashes your car real soon. I hope you leave it somewhere parked and somebody comes along and gives you the treatment.

Sooner or later you will be on the receiving end of karma so I wouldn't be so smug if I were you.

You may well be tucked up in your bed but there are people working in the night time economy, in hospitals and other services whose shoes you are not worthy of licking.

Your complacency and pride are due for a fall. Big style.
i now pronounce you adrenaline junky and wife.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrenaline_Junkie[/bold] wrote: We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act. In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.[/p][/quote]You are so proud of yourself aren't you? There are men out in the front line in Afghanistan, people in the fire service and ambulance crews, all people putting their lives on the line; meanwhile people like you can sit on here spouting this rubbish. How would you like it if I chucked stuff over your car, or broke into your house and trashed it. You'd just come and have a "quiet word" with me would you? Pull the other one. I hope somebody trashes your car real soon. I hope you leave it somewhere parked and somebody comes along and gives you the treatment. Sooner or later you will be on the receiving end of karma so I wouldn't be so smug if I were you. You may well be tucked up in your bed but there are people working in the night time economy, in hospitals and other services whose shoes you are not worthy of licking. Your complacency and pride are due for a fall. Big style.[/p][/quote]i now pronounce you adrenaline junky and wife. profondo asbo
  • Score: 0

1:56pm Thu 1 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

Ian P wrote:
shoess3 wrote:
Or just do what Southend Borough Council are doing. No street lights will be switched off at night; instead they're spending money replacing all lamps with LED ones. Surely this is the most sensible approach to the problem?!
While what you say is true, Bass & Co have already wasted £6.5mil on the equipment to turn the lights on and off. Unfortunately this is what happens when you allow people without the necessary knowledge and experience into positions of power.
Exactly... but who is allowing these "people without the necessary knowledge and experience into positions of power"?

Yes, that's right, everyone who votes liblabcon or worse still, those who can't be bothered - or make excuses not to vote.

When it all boils down, in the end it's the apathetic sheeple who are responsible for the state of the country and the problems locally too.

People forget that councillors are public SERVANTS, not masters. And it doesn't hurt to remind them of it regularly by use of the ballot box and by keeping tabs on them when they are in office.

There will be another chance to put that right both locally and at European level on 22nd May.
[quote][p][bold]Ian P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoess3[/bold] wrote: Or just do what Southend Borough Council are doing. No street lights will be switched off at night; instead they're spending money replacing all lamps with LED ones. Surely this is the most sensible approach to the problem?![/p][/quote]While what you say is true, Bass & Co have already wasted £6.5mil on the equipment to turn the lights on and off. Unfortunately this is what happens when you allow people without the necessary knowledge and experience into positions of power.[/p][/quote]Exactly... but who is allowing these "people without the necessary knowledge and experience into positions of power"? Yes, that's right, everyone who votes liblabcon or worse still, those who can't be bothered - or make excuses not to vote. When it all boils down, in the end it's the apathetic sheeple who are responsible for the state of the country and the problems locally too. People forget that councillors are public SERVANTS, not masters. And it doesn't hurt to remind them of it regularly by use of the ballot box and by keeping tabs on them when they are in office. There will be another chance to put that right both locally and at European level on 22nd May. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 0

1:57pm Thu 1 May 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

profondo asbo wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma

kessense
wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
LoopyLou88 wrote:
no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.
Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer.

The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year.

Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off:

Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported.
Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported.
0% change in crime rates.

Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported.
Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported.
11% reduction in crime rates.

No surprises?
less crime is reported because it's a complete waste of time reporting it.
Must hurt to learn the simple fact, the switch off, hasn't changed a bean, in regards to rising crime, now you lot, find another story to winge on about
you think 2 months of numbers makes a trend? didn't it pi55 down in jan/feb? crime stats are always lower in bad weather - just like retail sales. reported crimes will be significantly higher in march and april - you heard it here first.
They can remain off longer in summer...
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoopyLou88[/bold] wrote: no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.[/p][/quote]Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer. The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year. Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off: Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported. Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported. 0% change in crime rates. Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported. Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported. 11% reduction in crime rates. No surprises?[/p][/quote]less crime is reported because it's a complete waste of time reporting it.[/p][/quote]Must hurt to learn the simple fact, the switch off, hasn't changed a bean, in regards to rising crime, now you lot, find another story to winge on about[/p][/quote]you think 2 months of numbers makes a trend? didn't it pi55 down in jan/feb? crime stats are always lower in bad weather - just like retail sales. reported crimes will be significantly higher in march and april - you heard it here first.[/p][/quote]They can remain off longer in summer... carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 0

2:04pm Thu 1 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

profondo asbo wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Adrenaline_Junkie wrote:
We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act.

In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.
You are so proud of yourself aren't you?

There are men out in the front line in Afghanistan, people in the fire service and ambulance crews, all people putting their lives on the line; meanwhile people like you can sit on here spouting this rubbish.

How would you like it if I chucked stuff over your car, or broke into your house and trashed it. You'd just come and have a "quiet word" with me would you?

Pull the other one.

I hope somebody trashes your car real soon. I hope you leave it somewhere parked and somebody comes along and gives you the treatment.

Sooner or later you will be on the receiving end of karma so I wouldn't be so smug if I were you.

You may well be tucked up in your bed but there are people working in the night time economy, in hospitals and other services whose shoes you are not worthy of licking.

Your complacency and pride are due for a fall. Big style.
i now pronounce you adrenaline junky and wife.
What ARE you gabbling on about? If you have a point to make, make it.

Oh but I forgot, it's all personal with you isn't it? You never actually make a valid point.

Don't bother to reply. I have better things to do.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrenaline_Junkie[/bold] wrote: We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act. In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.[/p][/quote]You are so proud of yourself aren't you? There are men out in the front line in Afghanistan, people in the fire service and ambulance crews, all people putting their lives on the line; meanwhile people like you can sit on here spouting this rubbish. How would you like it if I chucked stuff over your car, or broke into your house and trashed it. You'd just come and have a "quiet word" with me would you? Pull the other one. I hope somebody trashes your car real soon. I hope you leave it somewhere parked and somebody comes along and gives you the treatment. Sooner or later you will be on the receiving end of karma so I wouldn't be so smug if I were you. You may well be tucked up in your bed but there are people working in the night time economy, in hospitals and other services whose shoes you are not worthy of licking. Your complacency and pride are due for a fall. Big style.[/p][/quote]i now pronounce you adrenaline junky and wife.[/p][/quote]What ARE you gabbling on about? If you have a point to make, make it. Oh but I forgot, it's all personal with you isn't it? You never actually make a valid point. Don't bother to reply. I have better things to do. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -1

2:10pm Thu 1 May 14

profondo asbo says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Adrenaline_Junkie wrote:
We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act.

In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.
You are so proud of yourself aren't you?

There are men out in the front line in Afghanistan, people in the fire service and ambulance crews, all people putting their lives on the line; meanwhile people like you can sit on here spouting this rubbish.

How would you like it if I chucked stuff over your car, or broke into your house and trashed it. You'd just come and have a "quiet word" with me would you?

Pull the other one.

I hope somebody trashes your car real soon. I hope you leave it somewhere parked and somebody comes along and gives you the treatment.

Sooner or later you will be on the receiving end of karma so I wouldn't be so smug if I were you.

You may well be tucked up in your bed but there are people working in the night time economy, in hospitals and other services whose shoes you are not worthy of licking.

Your complacency and pride are due for a fall. Big style.
i now pronounce you adrenaline junky and wife.
What ARE you gabbling on about? If you have a point to make, make it.

Oh but I forgot, it's all personal with you isn't it? You never actually make a valid point.

Don't bother to reply. I have better things to do.
it would appear you don't have better things to do
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrenaline_Junkie[/bold] wrote: We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act. In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.[/p][/quote]You are so proud of yourself aren't you? There are men out in the front line in Afghanistan, people in the fire service and ambulance crews, all people putting their lives on the line; meanwhile people like you can sit on here spouting this rubbish. How would you like it if I chucked stuff over your car, or broke into your house and trashed it. You'd just come and have a "quiet word" with me would you? Pull the other one. I hope somebody trashes your car real soon. I hope you leave it somewhere parked and somebody comes along and gives you the treatment. Sooner or later you will be on the receiving end of karma so I wouldn't be so smug if I were you. You may well be tucked up in your bed but there are people working in the night time economy, in hospitals and other services whose shoes you are not worthy of licking. Your complacency and pride are due for a fall. Big style.[/p][/quote]i now pronounce you adrenaline junky and wife.[/p][/quote]What ARE you gabbling on about? If you have a point to make, make it. Oh but I forgot, it's all personal with you isn't it? You never actually make a valid point. Don't bother to reply. I have better things to do.[/p][/quote]it would appear you don't have better things to do profondo asbo
  • Score: 0

2:15pm Thu 1 May 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Adrenaline_Junkie wrote:
We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act.

In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.
You are so proud of yourself aren't you?

There are men out in the front line in Afghanistan, people in the fire service and ambulance crews, all people putting their lives on the line; meanwhile people like you can sit on here spouting this rubbish.

How would you like it if I chucked stuff over your car, or broke into your house and trashed it. You'd just come and have a "quiet word" with me would you?

Pull the other one.

I hope somebody trashes your car real soon. I hope you leave it somewhere parked and somebody comes along and gives you the treatment.

Sooner or later you will be on the receiving end of karma so I wouldn't be so smug if I were you.

You may well be tucked up in your bed but there are people working in the night time economy, in hospitals and other services whose shoes you are not worthy of licking.

Your complacency and pride are due for a fall. Big style.
Don't forget us women, have you Gandy seen the bronze memorial in London's Whitehall, to remember the women of war ? do hate such sexist comments, from people who's only affiliation with a ribbon is a Christmas present.
I've ribbons from both Gulf conflicts as well as Afghanistan, not forgetting the former Yugoslavia and Northern Island.
When I'm at work as a volunteer, people call me Marm...
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrenaline_Junkie[/bold] wrote: We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act. In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.[/p][/quote]You are so proud of yourself aren't you? There are men out in the front line in Afghanistan, people in the fire service and ambulance crews, all people putting their lives on the line; meanwhile people like you can sit on here spouting this rubbish. How would you like it if I chucked stuff over your car, or broke into your house and trashed it. You'd just come and have a "quiet word" with me would you? Pull the other one. I hope somebody trashes your car real soon. I hope you leave it somewhere parked and somebody comes along and gives you the treatment. Sooner or later you will be on the receiving end of karma so I wouldn't be so smug if I were you. You may well be tucked up in your bed but there are people working in the night time economy, in hospitals and other services whose shoes you are not worthy of licking. Your complacency and pride are due for a fall. Big style.[/p][/quote]Don't forget us women, have you Gandy seen the bronze memorial in London's Whitehall, to remember the women of war ? do hate such sexist comments, from people who's only affiliation with a ribbon is a Christmas present. I've ribbons from both Gulf conflicts as well as Afghanistan, not forgetting the former Yugoslavia and Northern Island. When I'm at work as a volunteer, people call me Marm... carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: -1

2:19pm Thu 1 May 14

cg1blue says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Jack222 wrote: Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!!
...and are we saving our council tax? No. We are getting few hours' lighting and paying the same. This whole shenanigan cost £6.7 million pounds which will take over seven years to pay off. And our council tax is no less. The crime rate is going up during after lights out hours. This newspaper has been reporting these incidents for weeks but you are conveniently ignoring them. Also what about those in the night time economy who can't afford cab fares home. I was talking to some night staff in Tesco and they were saying how scary it was going home after dark. Most people don't have a problem driving in it but walking is a different matter. And the elderly and vulnerable who live alone are scared to set foot outside their front doors. And don't give me the old "folk should be tucked up in their beds by midnight" routine. You can't dictate people's lifestyles or livelihoods. This could have been dealt with more sensibly. For example they could have turned every other streetlight off , that wouldn't have incurred any extra expense at all. Check your facts before opining.
Well said. Too many people on here only think about their own circumstances, and whether or not it affects them personally.

The blanket switch-off was not thought through, and will bring fear and more opportunist crime to many areas.

There were better ways to approach the issue, but the councillors were too busy with their heads in the trough to consider other options.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!![/p][/quote]...and are we saving our council tax? No. We are getting few hours' lighting and paying the same. This whole shenanigan cost £6.7 million pounds which will take over seven years to pay off. And our council tax is no less. The crime rate is going up during after lights out hours. This newspaper has been reporting these incidents for weeks but you are conveniently ignoring them. Also what about those in the night time economy who can't afford cab fares home. I was talking to some night staff in Tesco and they were saying how scary it was going home after dark. Most people don't have a problem driving in it but walking is a different matter. And the elderly and vulnerable who live alone are scared to set foot outside their front doors. And don't give me the old "folk should be tucked up in their beds by midnight" routine. You can't dictate people's lifestyles or livelihoods. This could have been dealt with more sensibly. For example they could have turned every other streetlight off , that wouldn't have incurred any extra expense at all. Check your facts before opining.[/p][/quote]Well said. Too many people on here only think about their own circumstances, and whether or not it affects them personally. The blanket switch-off was not thought through, and will bring fear and more opportunist crime to many areas. There were better ways to approach the issue, but the councillors were too busy with their heads in the trough to consider other options. cg1blue
  • Score: -3

2:21pm Thu 1 May 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

cg1blue wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Jack222 wrote: Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!!
...and are we saving our council tax? No. We are getting few hours' lighting and paying the same. This whole shenanigan cost £6.7 million pounds which will take over seven years to pay off. And our council tax is no less. The crime rate is going up during after lights out hours. This newspaper has been reporting these incidents for weeks but you are conveniently ignoring them. Also what about those in the night time economy who can't afford cab fares home. I was talking to some night staff in Tesco and they were saying how scary it was going home after dark. Most people don't have a problem driving in it but walking is a different matter. And the elderly and vulnerable who live alone are scared to set foot outside their front doors. And don't give me the old "folk should be tucked up in their beds by midnight" routine. You can't dictate people's lifestyles or livelihoods. This could have been dealt with more sensibly. For example they could have turned every other streetlight off , that wouldn't have incurred any extra expense at all. Check your facts before opining.
Well said. Too many people on here only think about their own circumstances, and whether or not it affects them personally.

The blanket switch-off was not thought through, and will bring fear and more opportunist crime to many areas.

There were better ways to approach the issue, but the councillors were too busy with their heads in the trough to consider other options.
The switch off has nothing to do with saving the individual money, it has been done to save the fragile climate, and thwart the scurge of damage to our planet.
[quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!![/p][/quote]...and are we saving our council tax? No. We are getting few hours' lighting and paying the same. This whole shenanigan cost £6.7 million pounds which will take over seven years to pay off. And our council tax is no less. The crime rate is going up during after lights out hours. This newspaper has been reporting these incidents for weeks but you are conveniently ignoring them. Also what about those in the night time economy who can't afford cab fares home. I was talking to some night staff in Tesco and they were saying how scary it was going home after dark. Most people don't have a problem driving in it but walking is a different matter. And the elderly and vulnerable who live alone are scared to set foot outside their front doors. And don't give me the old "folk should be tucked up in their beds by midnight" routine. You can't dictate people's lifestyles or livelihoods. This could have been dealt with more sensibly. For example they could have turned every other streetlight off , that wouldn't have incurred any extra expense at all. Check your facts before opining.[/p][/quote]Well said. Too many people on here only think about their own circumstances, and whether or not it affects them personally. The blanket switch-off was not thought through, and will bring fear and more opportunist crime to many areas. There were better ways to approach the issue, but the councillors were too busy with their heads in the trough to consider other options.[/p][/quote]The switch off has nothing to do with saving the individual money, it has been done to save the fragile climate, and thwart the scurge of damage to our planet. carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: -4

2:41pm Thu 1 May 14

cg1blue says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
cg1blue wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Jack222 wrote: Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!!
...and are we saving our council tax? No. We are getting few hours' lighting and paying the same. This whole shenanigan cost £6.7 million pounds which will take over seven years to pay off. And our council tax is no less. The crime rate is going up during after lights out hours. This newspaper has been reporting these incidents for weeks but you are conveniently ignoring them. Also what about those in the night time economy who can't afford cab fares home. I was talking to some night staff in Tesco and they were saying how scary it was going home after dark. Most people don't have a problem driving in it but walking is a different matter. And the elderly and vulnerable who live alone are scared to set foot outside their front doors. And don't give me the old "folk should be tucked up in their beds by midnight" routine. You can't dictate people's lifestyles or livelihoods. This could have been dealt with more sensibly. For example they could have turned every other streetlight off , that wouldn't have incurred any extra expense at all. Check your facts before opining.
Well said. Too many people on here only think about their own circumstances, and whether or not it affects them personally. The blanket switch-off was not thought through, and will bring fear and more opportunist crime to many areas. There were better ways to approach the issue, but the councillors were too busy with their heads in the trough to consider other options.
The switch off has nothing to do with saving the individual money, it has been done to save the fragile climate, and thwart the scurge of damage to our planet.
If it reduces damage to our climate, that would be a positive. But don't kid yourself that's why the council did it.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!![/p][/quote]...and are we saving our council tax? No. We are getting few hours' lighting and paying the same. This whole shenanigan cost £6.7 million pounds which will take over seven years to pay off. And our council tax is no less. The crime rate is going up during after lights out hours. This newspaper has been reporting these incidents for weeks but you are conveniently ignoring them. Also what about those in the night time economy who can't afford cab fares home. I was talking to some night staff in Tesco and they were saying how scary it was going home after dark. Most people don't have a problem driving in it but walking is a different matter. And the elderly and vulnerable who live alone are scared to set foot outside their front doors. And don't give me the old "folk should be tucked up in their beds by midnight" routine. You can't dictate people's lifestyles or livelihoods. This could have been dealt with more sensibly. For example they could have turned every other streetlight off , that wouldn't have incurred any extra expense at all. Check your facts before opining.[/p][/quote]Well said. Too many people on here only think about their own circumstances, and whether or not it affects them personally. The blanket switch-off was not thought through, and will bring fear and more opportunist crime to many areas. There were better ways to approach the issue, but the councillors were too busy with their heads in the trough to consider other options.[/p][/quote]The switch off has nothing to do with saving the individual money, it has been done to save the fragile climate, and thwart the scurge of damage to our planet.[/p][/quote]If it reduces damage to our climate, that would be a positive. But don't kid yourself that's why the council did it. cg1blue
  • Score: 1

3:02pm Thu 1 May 14

poortaxpayer says...

Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?
Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us? poortaxpayer
  • Score: 4

3:15pm Thu 1 May 14

cg1blue says...

poortaxpayer wrote:
Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?
What does this have to do with the topic here?
Why don't you follow her on Twitter or something if you're that obsessed
[quote][p][bold]poortaxpayer[/bold] wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?[/p][/quote]What does this have to do with the topic here? Why don't you follow her on Twitter or something if you're that obsessed cg1blue
  • Score: 1

3:47pm Thu 1 May 14

iknowbetter says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Jack222 wrote:
Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime.

Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on.

Save our council tax!!
...and are we saving our council tax? No. We are getting few hours' lighting and paying the same.

This whole shenanigan cost £6.7 million pounds which will take over seven years to pay off. And our council tax is no less.

The crime rate is going up during after lights out hours. This newspaper has been reporting these incidents for weeks but you are conveniently ignoring them.

Also what about those in the night time economy who can't afford cab fares home. I was talking to some night staff in Tesco and they were saying how scary it was going home after dark.

Most people don't have a problem driving in it but walking is a different matter. And the elderly and vulnerable who live alone are scared to set foot outside their front doors.

And don't give me the old "folk should be tucked up in their beds by midnight" routine.

You can't dictate people's lifestyles or livelihoods.

This could have been dealt with more sensibly. For example they could have turned every other streetlight off , that wouldn't have incurred any extra expense at all.

Check your facts before opining.
No one said turning off the street lights would reduce Council tax Kim, you seem to be missing the point, the Government reduced Council budgets which means the Council has to reduce expenditure, its either street lights or another service, I.M.O street lights being switched off is a mere inconvenience to some where as cutting other services would result in more people suffering.
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Incidentally Basildon did not come up with the idea of turning off street lights so blaming the local Council for coming up with the idea is complete hogwash.
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As for the old and infirm all of a sudden taking trips out after midnight, get real. its a lame excuse for having the street lights turned back on.
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As for crime figures, we can ll assume and make up the fact all of a sudden some are petrified walking the streets after dark, but the fact is those people would be scared to walk the streets day or night, and to use any increase in crime as an excuse for the lights being off, again its a lame duck of an excuse, one there is no proof crime has risen, infact the latest figures show crime reduced.
On the upside at least the national grid has benefited, in that its less pressure on them as well as saving money contrary to belief of some on here.
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If all people have to moan or worry about is not having street lights after midnight and before 5am then one could argue things are not all that bad in the world.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Prove that they would not have done it with street lights on... I note the comment 'seems the crime rate is going up.'. Is it or isnt it? That's the issue. In areas where this has been around for a while turning street lights off does NOT increas crime. Random one off vandal attacks, although annoying, are not a reason to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds to put the lights back on. Save our council tax!![/p][/quote]...and are we saving our council tax? No. We are getting few hours' lighting and paying the same. This whole shenanigan cost £6.7 million pounds which will take over seven years to pay off. And our council tax is no less. The crime rate is going up during after lights out hours. This newspaper has been reporting these incidents for weeks but you are conveniently ignoring them. Also what about those in the night time economy who can't afford cab fares home. I was talking to some night staff in Tesco and they were saying how scary it was going home after dark. Most people don't have a problem driving in it but walking is a different matter. And the elderly and vulnerable who live alone are scared to set foot outside their front doors. And don't give me the old "folk should be tucked up in their beds by midnight" routine. You can't dictate people's lifestyles or livelihoods. This could have been dealt with more sensibly. For example they could have turned every other streetlight off , that wouldn't have incurred any extra expense at all. Check your facts before opining.[/p][/quote]No one said turning off the street lights would reduce Council tax Kim, you seem to be missing the point, the Government reduced Council budgets which means the Council has to reduce expenditure, its either street lights or another service, I.M.O street lights being switched off is a mere inconvenience to some where as cutting other services would result in more people suffering. ** Incidentally Basildon did not come up with the idea of turning off street lights so blaming the local Council for coming up with the idea is complete hogwash. ** As for the old and infirm all of a sudden taking trips out after midnight, get real. its a lame excuse for having the street lights turned back on. ** As for crime figures, we can ll assume and make up the fact all of a sudden some are petrified walking the streets after dark, but the fact is those people would be scared to walk the streets day or night, and to use any increase in crime as an excuse for the lights being off, again its a lame duck of an excuse, one there is no proof crime has risen, infact the latest figures show crime reduced. On the upside at least the national grid has benefited, in that its less pressure on them as well as saving money contrary to belief of some on here. ** If all people have to moan or worry about is not having street lights after midnight and before 5am then one could argue things are not all that bad in the world. iknowbetter
  • Score: 8

4:11pm Thu 1 May 14

Chris Flunk says...

profondo asbo wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
LoopyLou88 wrote: no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.
Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer. The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year. Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off: Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported. Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported. 0% change in crime rates. Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported. Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported. 11% reduction in crime rates. No surprises?
less crime is reported because it's a complete waste of time reporting it.
Must hurt to learn the simple fact, the switch off, hasn't changed a bean, in regards to rising crime, now you lot, find another story to winge on about
you think 2 months of numbers makes a trend? didn't it pi55 down in jan/feb? crime stats are always lower in bad weather - just like retail sales. reported crimes will be significantly higher in march and april - you heard it here first.
Good grief, please read my comment before sniping at it. That is why I compared January with January and February with February. Any statistician worth their salt knows to use comparable samples. If anything, the weather in Jan and Feb 2013 was as bad, if not worse than 2014. We had ice and snow rather than wind and rain.

I'm not saying it's a trend, the sample is not big enough. I am saying that the people who claim that crime is rising are making a subjective judgement with even less analysis.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoopyLou88[/bold] wrote: no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.[/p][/quote]Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer. The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year. Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off: Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported. Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported. 0% change in crime rates. Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported. Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported. 11% reduction in crime rates. No surprises?[/p][/quote]less crime is reported because it's a complete waste of time reporting it.[/p][/quote]Must hurt to learn the simple fact, the switch off, hasn't changed a bean, in regards to rising crime, now you lot, find another story to winge on about[/p][/quote]you think 2 months of numbers makes a trend? didn't it pi55 down in jan/feb? crime stats are always lower in bad weather - just like retail sales. reported crimes will be significantly higher in march and april - you heard it here first.[/p][/quote]Good grief, please read my comment before sniping at it. That is why I compared January with January and February with February. Any statistician worth their salt knows to use comparable samples. If anything, the weather in Jan and Feb 2013 was as bad, if not worse than 2014. We had ice and snow rather than wind and rain. I'm not saying it's a trend, the sample is not big enough. I am saying that the people who claim that crime is rising are making a subjective judgement with even less analysis. Chris Flunk
  • Score: 4

4:21pm Thu 1 May 14

profondo asbo says...

Chris Flunk wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
LoopyLou88 wrote: no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.
Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer. The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year. Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off: Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported. Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported. 0% change in crime rates. Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported. Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported. 11% reduction in crime rates. No surprises?
less crime is reported because it's a complete waste of time reporting it.
Must hurt to learn the simple fact, the switch off, hasn't changed a bean, in regards to rising crime, now you lot, find another story to winge on about
you think 2 months of numbers makes a trend? didn't it pi55 down in jan/feb? crime stats are always lower in bad weather - just like retail sales. reported crimes will be significantly higher in march and april - you heard it here first.
Good grief, please read my comment before sniping at it. That is why I compared January with January and February with February. Any statistician worth their salt knows to use comparable samples. If anything, the weather in Jan and Feb 2013 was as bad, if not worse than 2014. We had ice and snow rather than wind and rain.

I'm not saying it's a trend, the sample is not big enough. I am saying that the people who claim that crime is rising are making a subjective judgement with even less analysis.
my response to your post was there was zero point in reporting crime and that is why crime stats have fallen year on year. the trend comments were in response to the rayleigh prince of darkness. as you yourself noted there are only 2 months of data.
[quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoopyLou88[/bold] wrote: no surprises there then lights go out crime goes up.... no surprises.[/p][/quote]Does crime go up ? Surely that is the fundamental question and it should be easy to answer. The best info that I have to hand is from the UK Crime Statistics website which so far only has data for January and February of this year. Comparing the Castle Point figures for the first 2 months of the year with the same months of the previous year shows just how much crime has gone up since the lights were switched off: Jan 2013 - 385 crimes reported. Jan 2014 - 385 crimes reported. 0% change in crime rates. Feb 2013 - 395 crimes reported. Feb 2014 - 351 crimes reported. 11% reduction in crime rates. No surprises?[/p][/quote]less crime is reported because it's a complete waste of time reporting it.[/p][/quote]Must hurt to learn the simple fact, the switch off, hasn't changed a bean, in regards to rising crime, now you lot, find another story to winge on about[/p][/quote]you think 2 months of numbers makes a trend? didn't it pi55 down in jan/feb? crime stats are always lower in bad weather - just like retail sales. reported crimes will be significantly higher in march and april - you heard it here first.[/p][/quote]Good grief, please read my comment before sniping at it. That is why I compared January with January and February with February. Any statistician worth their salt knows to use comparable samples. If anything, the weather in Jan and Feb 2013 was as bad, if not worse than 2014. We had ice and snow rather than wind and rain. I'm not saying it's a trend, the sample is not big enough. I am saying that the people who claim that crime is rising are making a subjective judgement with even less analysis.[/p][/quote]my response to your post was there was zero point in reporting crime and that is why crime stats have fallen year on year. the trend comments were in response to the rayleigh prince of darkness. as you yourself noted there are only 2 months of data. profondo asbo
  • Score: -4

4:24pm Thu 1 May 14

the25man says...

Lights on or off makes little difference to the fact that there is little or no respect for people or property. It's time that respect be taught at a very early age and Parents made accountable for there children's actions
Lights on or off makes little difference to the fact that there is little or no respect for people or property. It's time that respect be taught at a very early age and Parents made accountable for there children's actions the25man
  • Score: 4

4:33pm Thu 1 May 14

iknowbetter says...

And how do you know people are not reporting crime? And if we only have 2 months of data then how is it people are so quick to blame no street lighting on a rise in crime? All this does is demonstrate that most of the people on here and that are moaning about no street lighting have NO FACTS to base their made up arguments on.
Incidentally there are no facts that the damage to these vehicles was done during the hours the street lights are out, and if this lady pictured needs to get crime figures then I'm sure her Policeman husband could get them for her. ;)
And how do you know people are not reporting crime? And if we only have 2 months of data then how is it people are so quick to blame no street lighting on a rise in crime? All this does is demonstrate that most of the people on here and that are moaning about no street lighting have NO FACTS to base their made up arguments on. Incidentally there are no facts that the damage to these vehicles was done during the hours the street lights are out, and if this lady pictured needs to get crime figures then I'm sure her Policeman husband could get them for her. ;) iknowbetter
  • Score: 5

4:34pm Thu 1 May 14

Mattster says...

shoess3 wrote:
Mattster wrote:
shoess3 wrote:
Or just do what Southend Borough Council are doing. No street lights will be switched off at night; instead they're spending money replacing all lamps with LED ones. Surely this is the most sensible approach to the problem?!
No because LED streetlamps are $hite!
Better than pitch black darkness. Also, it's a matter of opinion - they are brighter and whiter, making CCTV recordings even clearer.
Actually there worse, or rather the current implementations are. Check out LED street lights in Romford - nothing more than a dim glow or there are examples where they are bright but produce no spread of light so you end up with lots of very bright but very small areas of illumination. Both are worse than no lights at all IMO.
[quote][p][bold]shoess3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mattster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoess3[/bold] wrote: Or just do what Southend Borough Council are doing. No street lights will be switched off at night; instead they're spending money replacing all lamps with LED ones. Surely this is the most sensible approach to the problem?![/p][/quote]No because LED streetlamps are $hite![/p][/quote]Better than pitch black darkness. Also, it's a matter of opinion - they are brighter and whiter, making CCTV recordings even clearer.[/p][/quote]Actually there worse, or rather the current implementations are. Check out LED street lights in Romford - nothing more than a dim glow or there are examples where they are bright but produce no spread of light so you end up with lots of very bright but very small areas of illumination. Both are worse than no lights at all IMO. Mattster
  • Score: 0

4:52pm Thu 1 May 14

cg1blue says...

iknowbetter wrote:
And how do you know people are not reporting crime? And if we only have 2 months of data then how is it people are so quick to blame no street lighting on a rise in crime? All this does is demonstrate that most of the people on here and that are moaning about no street lighting have NO FACTS to base their made up arguments on. Incidentally there are no facts that the damage to these vehicles was done during the hours the street lights are out, and if this lady pictured needs to get crime figures then I'm sure her Policeman husband could get them for her. ;)
It's just common sense.
If you were a mugger or a vandal, which would you prefer - lights on or lights off?
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: And how do you know people are not reporting crime? And if we only have 2 months of data then how is it people are so quick to blame no street lighting on a rise in crime? All this does is demonstrate that most of the people on here and that are moaning about no street lighting have NO FACTS to base their made up arguments on. Incidentally there are no facts that the damage to these vehicles was done during the hours the street lights are out, and if this lady pictured needs to get crime figures then I'm sure her Policeman husband could get them for her. ;)[/p][/quote]It's just common sense. If you were a mugger or a vandal, which would you prefer - lights on or lights off? cg1blue
  • Score: -2

4:57pm Thu 1 May 14

profondo asbo says...

cg1blue wrote:
iknowbetter wrote:
And how do you know people are not reporting crime? And if we only have 2 months of data then how is it people are so quick to blame no street lighting on a rise in crime? All this does is demonstrate that most of the people on here and that are moaning about no street lighting have NO FACTS to base their made up arguments on. Incidentally there are no facts that the damage to these vehicles was done during the hours the street lights are out, and if this lady pictured needs to get crime figures then I'm sure her Policeman husband could get them for her. ;)
It's just common sense.
If you were a mugger or a vandal, which would you prefer - lights on or lights off?
you hit the nail squarely on the head.
[quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: And how do you know people are not reporting crime? And if we only have 2 months of data then how is it people are so quick to blame no street lighting on a rise in crime? All this does is demonstrate that most of the people on here and that are moaning about no street lighting have NO FACTS to base their made up arguments on. Incidentally there are no facts that the damage to these vehicles was done during the hours the street lights are out, and if this lady pictured needs to get crime figures then I'm sure her Policeman husband could get them for her. ;)[/p][/quote]It's just common sense. If you were a mugger or a vandal, which would you prefer - lights on or lights off?[/p][/quote]you hit the nail squarely on the head. profondo asbo
  • Score: -1

5:06pm Thu 1 May 14

iknowbetter says...

cg1blue wrote:
iknowbetter wrote:
And how do you know people are not reporting crime? And if we only have 2 months of data then how is it people are so quick to blame no street lighting on a rise in crime? All this does is demonstrate that most of the people on here and that are moaning about no street lighting have NO FACTS to base their made up arguments on. Incidentally there are no facts that the damage to these vehicles was done during the hours the street lights are out, and if this lady pictured needs to get crime figures then I'm sure her Policeman husband could get them for her. ;)
It's just common sense.
If you were a mugger or a vandal, which would you prefer - lights on or lights off?
And how do you know people are not reporting crime? And if we only have 2 months of data then how is it people are so quick to blame no street lighting on a rise in crime? All this does is demonstrate that most of the people on here and that are moaning about no street lighting have NO FACTS to base their made up arguments on.
Incidentally there are no facts that the damage to these vehicles was done during the hours the street lights are out, and if this lady pictured needs to get crime figures then I'm sure her Policeman husband could get them for her. ;)
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Get proof then my friend.. At present there is none, just scaremongering amongst those that wish to have the street lights back on. We have heard every excuse in the book and some that are not, from hoards of old people all of a sudden walking the streets after midnight to a massive influx in crime, all of which is unfounded and un proven.
F.Y.I since when do muggers use common sense!!!!
[quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: And how do you know people are not reporting crime? And if we only have 2 months of data then how is it people are so quick to blame no street lighting on a rise in crime? All this does is demonstrate that most of the people on here and that are moaning about no street lighting have NO FACTS to base their made up arguments on. Incidentally there are no facts that the damage to these vehicles was done during the hours the street lights are out, and if this lady pictured needs to get crime figures then I'm sure her Policeman husband could get them for her. ;)[/p][/quote]It's just common sense. If you were a mugger or a vandal, which would you prefer - lights on or lights off?[/p][/quote]And how do you know people are not reporting crime? And if we only have 2 months of data then how is it people are so quick to blame no street lighting on a rise in crime? All this does is demonstrate that most of the people on here and that are moaning about no street lighting have NO FACTS to base their made up arguments on. Incidentally there are no facts that the damage to these vehicles was done during the hours the street lights are out, and if this lady pictured needs to get crime figures then I'm sure her Policeman husband could get them for her. ;) ** Get proof then my friend.. At present there is none, just scaremongering amongst those that wish to have the street lights back on. We have heard every excuse in the book and some that are not, from hoards of old people all of a sudden walking the streets after midnight to a massive influx in crime, all of which is unfounded and un proven. F.Y.I since when do muggers use common sense!!!! iknowbetter
  • Score: 0

6:44pm Thu 1 May 14

Living the La Vida Legra says...

I wish they would turn off the lights in Leigh. Here's hoping
Note to all having a car is expensive Get over it!
I wish they would turn off the lights in Leigh. Here's hoping Note to all having a car is expensive Get over it! Living the La Vida Legra
  • Score: 1

10:28pm Thu 1 May 14

Adrenaline_Junkie says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Adrenaline_Junkie wrote:
We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act.

In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.
You are so proud of yourself aren't you?

There are men out in the front line in Afghanistan, people in the fire service and ambulance crews, all people putting their lives on the line; meanwhile people like you can sit on here spouting this rubbish.

How would you like it if I chucked stuff over your car, or broke into your house and trashed it. You'd just come and have a "quiet word" with me would you?

Pull the other one.

I hope somebody trashes your car real soon. I hope you leave it somewhere parked and somebody comes along and gives you the treatment.

Sooner or later you will be on the receiving end of karma so I wouldn't be so smug if I were you.

You may well be tucked up in your bed but there are people working in the night time economy, in hospitals and other services whose shoes you are not worthy of licking.

Your complacency and pride are due for a fall. Big style.
Can't you read Kim? In my comment it clearly states I leave my car in a garage. Yeah well don't get me started on the war. It's their choice they went to the middle east, and all what they do anyway is kill innocent women and children.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrenaline_Junkie[/bold] wrote: We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act. In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.[/p][/quote]You are so proud of yourself aren't you? There are men out in the front line in Afghanistan, people in the fire service and ambulance crews, all people putting their lives on the line; meanwhile people like you can sit on here spouting this rubbish. How would you like it if I chucked stuff over your car, or broke into your house and trashed it. You'd just come and have a "quiet word" with me would you? Pull the other one. I hope somebody trashes your car real soon. I hope you leave it somewhere parked and somebody comes along and gives you the treatment. Sooner or later you will be on the receiving end of karma so I wouldn't be so smug if I were you. You may well be tucked up in your bed but there are people working in the night time economy, in hospitals and other services whose shoes you are not worthy of licking. Your complacency and pride are due for a fall. Big style.[/p][/quote]Can't you read Kim? In my comment it clearly states I leave my car in a garage. Yeah well don't get me started on the war. It's their choice they went to the middle east, and all what they do anyway is kill innocent women and children. Adrenaline_Junkie
  • Score: -4

10:44pm Thu 1 May 14

smiffy22 says...

Adrenaline_Junkie wrote:
We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act.

In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.
No, this kind of thing is only done by worthless thick scum. We need to be able to lock them away for at least a decade if they are caught. We need to get rid of the trash, it is wrong that civilised people should have to live around them.
Regards,
Smiffy22
[quote][p][bold]Adrenaline_Junkie[/bold] wrote: We used to do stuff like that when we were kids. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun. I wouldn't do it now though obviously as it's just a kid thing. If the police do catch them, they should go round their houses and have a quiet word with them or their parents warning about the frustration caused by this rather pointless act. In the mean time, I agree the lights should go back on. Then again it don't even bother me as i'm fast asleep during the blackout hours, and keep my car in a garage.[/p][/quote]No, this kind of thing is only done by worthless thick scum. We need to be able to lock them away for at least a decade if they are caught. We need to get rid of the trash, it is wrong that civilised people should have to live around them. Regards, Smiffy22 smiffy22
  • Score: 0

12:13am Fri 2 May 14

ThisYear says...

poortaxpayer wrote:
Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?
She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.
[quote][p][bold]poortaxpayer[/bold] wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?[/p][/quote]She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy. ThisYear
  • Score: -1

4:52pm Fri 2 May 14

Alekhine says...

ThisYear wrote:
poortaxpayer wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?
She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.
Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:-

Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poortaxpayer[/bold] wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?[/p][/quote]She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.[/p][/quote]Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:- Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA? Alekhine
  • Score: 6

12:11am Sat 3 May 14

ThisYear says...

Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
poortaxpayer wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?
She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.
Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:-

Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?
Why should you ask a random question about a question you deem random?

The answer to your last question is on the other thread...go find it.
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poortaxpayer[/bold] wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?[/p][/quote]She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.[/p][/quote]Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:- Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?[/p][/quote]Why should you ask a random question about a question you deem random? The answer to your last question is on the other thread...go find it. ThisYear
  • Score: -5

10:31am Sat 3 May 14

ThisYear says...

Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
poortaxpayer wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?
She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.
Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:-

Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?
Btw, your question on caravans and trailers in the USA?...

Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poortaxpayer[/bold] wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?[/p][/quote]She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.[/p][/quote]Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:- Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?[/p][/quote]Btw, your question on caravans and trailers in the USA?... Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?" ThisYear
  • Score: -6

2:26pm Mon 5 May 14

Alekhine says...

ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
poortaxpayer wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?
She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.
Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:-

Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?
Btw, your question on caravans and trailers in the USA?...

Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"
No reason at all. You never answer questions, just ask them randomly when it suits your agenda to do so.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poortaxpayer[/bold] wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?[/p][/quote]She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.[/p][/quote]Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:- Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?[/p][/quote]Btw, your question on caravans and trailers in the USA?... Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"[/p][/quote]No reason at all. You never answer questions, just ask them randomly when it suits your agenda to do so. Alekhine
  • Score: 2

7:21pm Mon 5 May 14

ThisYear says...

Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
poortaxpayer wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?
She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.
Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:-

Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?
Btw, your question on caravans and trailers in the USA?...

Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"
No reason at all. You never answer questions, just ask them randomly when it suits your agenda to do so.
So you ask why Gandy should reply to a question and then complain that I dont answer any..(Which of course isn't true) Not very consistent are you?
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poortaxpayer[/bold] wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?[/p][/quote]She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.[/p][/quote]Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:- Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?[/p][/quote]Btw, your question on caravans and trailers in the USA?... Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"[/p][/quote]No reason at all. You never answer questions, just ask them randomly when it suits your agenda to do so.[/p][/quote]So you ask why Gandy should reply to a question and then complain that I dont answer any..(Which of course isn't true) Not very consistent are you? ThisYear
  • Score: -2

6:34pm Tue 6 May 14

Alekhine says...

ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
poortaxpayer wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?
She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.
Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:- Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?
Btw, your question on caravans and trailers in the USA?... Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"
No reason at all. You never answer questions, just ask them randomly when it suits your agenda to do so.
So you ask why Gandy should reply to a question and then complain that I dont answer any..(Which of course isn't true) Not very consistent are you?
I never expected you to answer the question. You are, in that respect, very consistent. Kindly note that an answer is not the same a reply containing a dozen other questions.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poortaxpayer[/bold] wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?[/p][/quote]She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.[/p][/quote]Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:- Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?[/p][/quote]Btw, your question on caravans and trailers in the USA?... Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"[/p][/quote]No reason at all. You never answer questions, just ask them randomly when it suits your agenda to do so.[/p][/quote]So you ask why Gandy should reply to a question and then complain that I dont answer any..(Which of course isn't true) Not very consistent are you?[/p][/quote]I never expected you to answer the question. You are, in that respect, very consistent. Kindly note that an answer is not the same a reply containing a dozen other questions. Alekhine
  • Score: 0

8:04pm Tue 6 May 14

ThisYear says...

Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
poortaxpayer wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?
She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.
Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:- Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?
Btw, your question on caravans and trailers in the USA?... Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"
No reason at all. You never answer questions, just ask them randomly when it suits your agenda to do so.
So you ask why Gandy should reply to a question and then complain that I dont answer any..(Which of course isn't true) Not very consistent are you?
I never expected you to answer the question. You are, in that respect, very consistent. Kindly note that an answer is not the same a reply containing a dozen other questions.
Still no real reply to my question...as it stands you not only feel Gandy shouldn't reply to questions but neither should you, while expecting others to do so...
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poortaxpayer[/bold] wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?[/p][/quote]She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.[/p][/quote]Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:- Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?[/p][/quote]Btw, your question on caravans and trailers in the USA?... Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"[/p][/quote]No reason at all. You never answer questions, just ask them randomly when it suits your agenda to do so.[/p][/quote]So you ask why Gandy should reply to a question and then complain that I dont answer any..(Which of course isn't true) Not very consistent are you?[/p][/quote]I never expected you to answer the question. You are, in that respect, very consistent. Kindly note that an answer is not the same a reply containing a dozen other questions.[/p][/quote]Still no real reply to my question...as it stands you not only feel Gandy shouldn't reply to questions but neither should you, while expecting others to do so... ThisYear
  • Score: -2

1:51pm Wed 7 May 14

Alekhine says...

ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
poortaxpayer wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?
She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.
Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:- Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?
Btw, your question on caravans and trailers in the USA?... Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"
No reason at all. You never answer questions, just ask them randomly when it suits your agenda to do so.
So you ask why Gandy should reply to a question and then complain that I dont answer any..(Which of course isn't true) Not very consistent are you?
I never expected you to answer the question. You are, in that respect, very consistent. Kindly note that an answer is not the same a reply containing a dozen other questions.
Still no real reply to my question...as it stands you not only feel Gandy shouldn't reply to questions but neither should you, while expecting others to do so...
I have answered your question if you care to use your eyes.

Q. Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"I never expected you to answer the question.

You are very predictable in that respect. But you still expect Gandy to answer random questions.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poortaxpayer[/bold] wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?[/p][/quote]She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.[/p][/quote]Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:- Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?[/p][/quote]Btw, your question on caravans and trailers in the USA?... Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"[/p][/quote]No reason at all. You never answer questions, just ask them randomly when it suits your agenda to do so.[/p][/quote]So you ask why Gandy should reply to a question and then complain that I dont answer any..(Which of course isn't true) Not very consistent are you?[/p][/quote]I never expected you to answer the question. You are, in that respect, very consistent. Kindly note that an answer is not the same a reply containing a dozen other questions.[/p][/quote]Still no real reply to my question...as it stands you not only feel Gandy shouldn't reply to questions but neither should you, while expecting others to do so...[/p][/quote]I have answered your question if you care to use your eyes. Q. Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"[/ A. ]I never expected you to answer the question. You are very predictable in that respect. But you still expect Gandy to answer random questions. Alekhine
  • Score: 1

10:33pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
poortaxpayer wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?
She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.
Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:- Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?
Btw, your question on caravans and trailers in the USA?... Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"
No reason at all. You never answer questions, just ask them randomly when it suits your agenda to do so.
So you ask why Gandy should reply to a question and then complain that I dont answer any..(Which of course isn't true) Not very consistent are you?
I never expected you to answer the question. You are, in that respect, very consistent. Kindly note that an answer is not the same a reply containing a dozen other questions.
Still no real reply to my question...as it stands you not only feel Gandy shouldn't reply to questions but neither should you, while expecting others to do so...
I have answered your question if you care to use your eyes.

Q. Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"I never expected you to answer the question.

You are very predictable in that respect. But you still expect Gandy to answer random questions.
Im not sure Gandy's question was random..but...why did you ask a likewise question and then complain it isn't answered?
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poortaxpayer[/bold] wrote: Considering the complete nutters, fruitcakes and racists currently getting publicity in the Ukip party, I wonder exactly what Kim Gandy's behaviour must have been for her to be expelled from Ukip? Perhaps Kim could enlighten us?[/p][/quote]She will flee the scene for a few days now until the question is forgotten; then return ranting like a politician lapping up gravy.[/p][/quote]Why should she answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string? If you like randoms questions how about answering this one:- Are there more people living in caravans and trailers than houses in the USA?[/p][/quote]Btw, your question on caravans and trailers in the USA?... Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"[/p][/quote]No reason at all. You never answer questions, just ask them randomly when it suits your agenda to do so.[/p][/quote]So you ask why Gandy should reply to a question and then complain that I dont answer any..(Which of course isn't true) Not very consistent are you?[/p][/quote]I never expected you to answer the question. You are, in that respect, very consistent. Kindly note that an answer is not the same a reply containing a dozen other questions.[/p][/quote]Still no real reply to my question...as it stands you not only feel Gandy shouldn't reply to questions but neither should you, while expecting others to do so...[/p][/quote]I have answered your question if you care to use your eyes. Q. Why should I "answer a random question that has nothing to do with the string?"[/ A. ]I never expected you to answer the question. You are very predictable in that respect. But you still expect Gandy to answer random questions.[/p][/quote]Im not sure Gandy's question was random..but...why did you ask a likewise question and then complain it isn't answered? ThisYear
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