Double tax bill for flooded out family

Double tax bill for flooded out family

Double tax bill for flooded out family

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A FAMILY forced to move out of their flooded home have been told they have to pay council tax on both properties.

Daniel Thipthorpe, 40, who lives on Canvey with his wife, two children and two pet dogs, was forced to move last Tuesday because of severe damage caused by floods.

The three-bedroom house has become uninhabitable, with no electricity, and the family have now moved into a temporary home in Thundersley.

Mr Thipthorpe said: “Me and my family have had to move out of the house because the floods destroyed a lot of the property.

We’ve lost many of our valuables.

“We were planning to go away this August, but have had to cancel the trip. I haven’t been to work for two weeks. I’ve lost everything.”

The family plan to live in their temporary home for no more than six months while their house is repaired.

However, the taxi driver has been told by Castle Point Council he will have to pay council tax on both properties from September, after a relief period of one month.

He said: “They told me to get my insurance to cover the council tax, but why should they?

“It is pretty disgusting. The house is only empty because we can’t live there.”

Mr Thipthorpe and his family were not in the property when it flooded and he believes up to four of his neighbours have also been affected.

He said: “I thought the council would be a lot more compassionate, it’s horrible.

“There is no furniture, the house has been stripped to the bone and then I find out they are charging me tax for two properties.”

A spokeswoman for the council has confirmed after a one-month period of no payment, Mr Thipthorpe will have to pay council tax on both properties.

She said: “We are sympathetic to the situation Mr Thipthorpe and others are facing as result of the recent severe flooding which affected Canvey and parts of the mainland.

“It is the case that council tax will become payable after 28 days even though it will be empty, and that Mr Thipthorpe has to pay council tax on his temporary accommodation.”

The council also said it will reconsider if the tax cannot be claimed on insurance.

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7:14pm Wed 6 Aug 14

chunkus04 says...

The council also said it will reconsider if the tax cannot be claimed on insurance.
is it me or is this totally out of order??? its ok because the insurance will pay.... its because of things like that our insurance premiums keep going up!!

disgusting!!
The council also said it will reconsider if the tax cannot be claimed on insurance. is it me or is this totally out of order??? its ok because the insurance will pay.... its because of things like that our insurance premiums keep going up!! disgusting!! chunkus04
  • Score: 32

7:23pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Cliff West says...

I can't believe that you have to be council tax on a property which is uninhabitable. Come on council be moreunderstanding. Totally agreed with previous comment.
I can't believe that you have to be council tax on a property which is uninhabitable. Come on council be moreunderstanding. Totally agreed with previous comment. Cliff West
  • Score: 26

7:38pm Wed 6 Aug 14

jolllyboy says...

I third the above. I cannot believe that they have to pay on a house which is uninhabitable. I cant believe other councils do this in areas that have flooded - national papers..............
...?
I third the above. I cannot believe that they have to pay on a house which is uninhabitable. I cant believe other councils do this in areas that have flooded - national papers.............. ...? jolllyboy
  • Score: 17

7:49pm Wed 6 Aug 14

arejaywill says...

This unfortunately is cpdc for you. Find ways of ripping its residents off but when you need something done they tell you they haven't got the money. Disgusting.
This unfortunately is cpdc for you. Find ways of ripping its residents off but when you need something done they tell you they haven't got the money. Disgusting. arejaywill
  • Score: 15

8:06pm Wed 6 Aug 14

volunteer driver says...

A property incapable of beneficial occupation is exempt from council tax
A property incapable of beneficial occupation is exempt from council tax volunteer driver
  • Score: 11

10:38pm Wed 6 Aug 14

emcee says...

This seems like a type of insurance fraud to me.
This seems like a type of insurance fraud to me. emcee
  • Score: 9

10:41pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Knightrider1981 says...

I've been told the same thing by CPBC, I've been moved out of my house and moved into the Holiday Inn, Southend Airport.. Don't get me wrong I'm in a lovely Suite but it's not my home and the Insurance company can't find me a suitable home as I'm disabled and in a wheelchair. CPBC have told me that I have to pay both.
I've been told the same thing by CPBC, I've been moved out of my house and moved into the Holiday Inn, Southend Airport.. Don't get me wrong I'm in a lovely Suite but it's not my home and the Insurance company can't find me a suitable home as I'm disabled and in a wheelchair. CPBC have told me that I have to pay both. Knightrider1981
  • Score: -1

11:14pm Wed 6 Aug 14

maddriver says...

I can't see what the problem is here. Depending on the level of cover, all out of pocket expenses should be covered.
The Council don't seem to be acting unreasonably as most policies will cover this kind of expense.
I can't see what the problem is here. Depending on the level of cover, all out of pocket expenses should be covered. The Council don't seem to be acting unreasonably as most policies will cover this kind of expense. maddriver
  • Score: -7

11:18pm Wed 6 Aug 14

marmaladejack says...

So council tax pays for recycling, rubbish collection, street lighting, library's and leisure services, roads, police, fire, health and safety, cemeteries and churchyards, parks, public spaces, public registers, and planning to name but a few, however I really don't understand how a family flooded out of their home and relocated to a temporary accommodation are going to suddenly going to start using double of these services. Perhaps if the council had planned better they would not have been flooded out in the first place. Still its good to know that the council have everyone's best interests at the top of their agendas.
So council tax pays for recycling, rubbish collection, street lighting, library's and leisure services, roads, police, fire, health and safety, cemeteries and churchyards, parks, public spaces, public registers, and planning to name but a few, however I really don't understand how a family flooded out of their home and relocated to a temporary accommodation are going to suddenly going to start using double of these services. Perhaps if the council had planned better they would not have been flooded out in the first place. Still its good to know that the council have everyone's best interests at the top of their agendas. marmaladejack
  • Score: 11

12:00am Thu 7 Aug 14

sesibollox says...

Could go upstairs n live there,
Could go upstairs n live there, sesibollox
  • Score: -4

6:04am Thu 7 Aug 14

poortaxpayer says...

Tucked away hidden in the Council Tax Legislation is the power for any Council to reduce Council Tax by any amount they see fit to zero for any length of time they see fit. The Council can reduce the Council tax to nil until it is habitable again. If the Council claim they can't do this then they are lying.

These poor people who are homeless through no fault of their own should appeal immediately and demand a nil bill from their Council under the following regulations:-

Local Government Finance Act 2012 - Council Tax Reforms. Council tax liability may be reduced to such an extent as the billing authority thinks
fit, in particular cases and by determining a class of case (new Section 13A(7)) and they can reduce that liability to nil (new Section13A(6)).
Tucked away hidden in the Council Tax Legislation is the power for any Council to reduce Council Tax by any amount they see fit to zero for any length of time they see fit. The Council can reduce the Council tax to nil until it is habitable again. If the Council claim they can't do this then they are lying. These poor people who are homeless through no fault of their own should appeal immediately and demand a nil bill from their Council under the following regulations:- Local Government Finance Act 2012 - Council Tax Reforms. Council tax liability may be reduced to such an extent as the billing authority thinks fit, in particular cases and by determining a class of case (new Section 13A(7)) and they can reduce that liability to nil (new Section13A(6)). poortaxpayer
  • Score: 9

6:09am Thu 7 Aug 14

poortaxpayer says...

The heartless and pointless pen pushers should find their hearts and some common sense and give these folk a break instead of piling on yet more worry and financial burdens on what is already a very stressful situation.
The heartless and pointless pen pushers should find their hearts and some common sense and give these folk a break instead of piling on yet more worry and financial burdens on what is already a very stressful situation. poortaxpayer
  • Score: 6

7:56am Thu 7 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

poortaxpayer wrote:
The heartless and pointless pen pushers should find their hearts and some common sense and give these folk a break instead of piling on yet more worry and financial burdens on what is already a very stressful situation.
That's too much like common sense.

Have you ever met the average council officer? If you have a brick wall or a couple of railway sleepers in the vicinity, you'd be better off talking to them.

In my experience they are all thick, box ticking lefties.
[quote][p][bold]poortaxpayer[/bold] wrote: The heartless and pointless pen pushers should find their hearts and some common sense and give these folk a break instead of piling on yet more worry and financial burdens on what is already a very stressful situation.[/p][/quote]That's too much like common sense. Have you ever met the average council officer? If you have a brick wall or a couple of railway sleepers in the vicinity, you'd be better off talking to them. In my experience they are all thick, box ticking lefties. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 1

8:13am Thu 7 Aug 14

pembury53 says...

not sure what he's complaining about ? He's been given a months grace, just needs to crack on and sort it..... there wont be time to lay about watching the cricket though....
not sure what he's complaining about ? He's been given a months grace, just needs to crack on and sort it..... there wont be time to lay about watching the cricket though.... pembury53
  • Score: -8

9:22am Thu 7 Aug 14

I-say-you-say says...

You don't move to tornado valley and complain when your house gets blown apart - you don't move to Canvey then complain when your property is flooded.

It's not like people haven't been aware of the huge risks of floods on Canvey for many, many years! Common sense dictates (and yes I know it's in short supply at present), that if you buy a property on Canvey, there's a bigger risk of flooding than most other places and the consequences of this must be considered when buying a property there. Sadly payment of Council Tax is one of those consequences.

They've been given a months' grace, as Pembury53 said...get on with it, get it done and there's no problem! They put houses up from scratch in less time than that!
You don't move to tornado valley and complain when your house gets blown apart - you don't move to Canvey then complain when your property is flooded. It's not like people haven't been aware of the huge risks of floods on Canvey for many, many years! Common sense dictates (and yes I know it's in short supply at present), that if you buy a property on Canvey, there's a bigger risk of flooding than most other places and the consequences of this must be considered when buying a property there. Sadly payment of Council Tax is one of those consequences. They've been given a months' grace, as Pembury53 said...get on with it, get it done and there's no problem! They put houses up from scratch in less time than that! I-say-you-say
  • Score: -9

11:02am Thu 7 Aug 14

stopmoaning1 says...

Knightrider1981 wrote:
I've been told the same thing by CPBC, I've been moved out of my house and moved into the Holiday Inn, Southend Airport.. Don't get me wrong I'm in a lovely Suite but it's not my home and the Insurance company can't find me a suitable home as I'm disabled and in a wheelchair. CPBC have told me that I have to pay both.
CPBC told you you have to pay both what?
[quote][p][bold]Knightrider1981[/bold] wrote: I've been told the same thing by CPBC, I've been moved out of my house and moved into the Holiday Inn, Southend Airport.. Don't get me wrong I'm in a lovely Suite but it's not my home and the Insurance company can't find me a suitable home as I'm disabled and in a wheelchair. CPBC have told me that I have to pay both.[/p][/quote]CPBC told you you have to pay both what? stopmoaning1
  • Score: 3

2:34pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Chris Flunk says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
Knightrider1981 wrote: I've been told the same thing by CPBC, I've been moved out of my house and moved into the Holiday Inn, Southend Airport.. Don't get me wrong I'm in a lovely Suite but it's not my home and the Insurance company can't find me a suitable home as I'm disabled and in a wheelchair. CPBC have told me that I have to pay both.
CPBC told you you have to pay both what?
Yes, I would be very surprised if CPBC are asking you to pay council tax on a hotel suite in Southend. That would be somewhat unusual.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Knightrider1981[/bold] wrote: I've been told the same thing by CPBC, I've been moved out of my house and moved into the Holiday Inn, Southend Airport.. Don't get me wrong I'm in a lovely Suite but it's not my home and the Insurance company can't find me a suitable home as I'm disabled and in a wheelchair. CPBC have told me that I have to pay both.[/p][/quote]CPBC told you you have to pay both what?[/p][/quote]Yes, I would be very surprised if CPBC are asking you to pay council tax on a hotel suite in Southend. That would be somewhat unusual. Chris Flunk
  • Score: 6

7:32pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Basildon30 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
poortaxpayer wrote:
The heartless and pointless pen pushers should find their hearts and some common sense and give these folk a break instead of piling on yet more worry and financial burdens on what is already a very stressful situation.
That's too much like common sense.

Have you ever met the average council officer? If you have a brick wall or a couple of railway sleepers in the vicinity, you'd be better off talking to them.

In my experience they are all thick, box ticking lefties.
As a previous Council worker I take offence to your comments.

Let it also be known that these rules are made by central government and implemented by local authorities so any finger pointing about how bad this situation is being handled should be directed at David Cameron and his MP's.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poortaxpayer[/bold] wrote: The heartless and pointless pen pushers should find their hearts and some common sense and give these folk a break instead of piling on yet more worry and financial burdens on what is already a very stressful situation.[/p][/quote]That's too much like common sense. Have you ever met the average council officer? If you have a brick wall or a couple of railway sleepers in the vicinity, you'd be better off talking to them. In my experience they are all thick, box ticking lefties.[/p][/quote]As a previous Council worker I take offence to your comments. Let it also be known that these rules are made by central government and implemented by local authorities so any finger pointing about how bad this situation is being handled should be directed at David Cameron and his MP's. Basildon30
  • Score: 5

12:40pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Rat-man says...

If my memory serves it was the Canvey Independent Party who, true to their ex-Labour trade unionist roots, voted for a full tax on second homes in order to prevent people having second holiday homes.

In their rush to get this tax implemented the CIIP ignored, and not for the first time, advice given by officers.

So those people who are bleating about having to pay council tax twice now know who to blame.
If my memory serves it was the Canvey Independent Party who, true to their ex-Labour trade unionist roots, voted for a full tax on second homes in order to prevent people having second holiday homes. In their rush to get this tax implemented the CIIP ignored, and not for the first time, advice given by officers. So those people who are bleating about having to pay council tax twice now know who to blame. Rat-man
  • Score: 2

12:56pm Fri 8 Aug 14

stopmoaning1 says...

Basildon30 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
poortaxpayer wrote:
The heartless and pointless pen pushers should find their hearts and some common sense and give these folk a break instead of piling on yet more worry and financial burdens on what is already a very stressful situation.
That's too much like common sense.

Have you ever met the average council officer? If you have a brick wall or a couple of railway sleepers in the vicinity, you'd be better off talking to them.

In my experience they are all thick, box ticking lefties.
As a previous Council worker I take offence to your comments.

Let it also be known that these rules are made by central government and implemented by local authorities so any finger pointing about how bad this situation is being handled should be directed at David Cameron and his MP's.
Let it also be known the law allows the council full discretion in certain circumstances. This being one!
[quote][p][bold]Basildon30[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poortaxpayer[/bold] wrote: The heartless and pointless pen pushers should find their hearts and some common sense and give these folk a break instead of piling on yet more worry and financial burdens on what is already a very stressful situation.[/p][/quote]That's too much like common sense. Have you ever met the average council officer? If you have a brick wall or a couple of railway sleepers in the vicinity, you'd be better off talking to them. In my experience they are all thick, box ticking lefties.[/p][/quote]As a previous Council worker I take offence to your comments. Let it also be known that these rules are made by central government and implemented by local authorities so any finger pointing about how bad this situation is being handled should be directed at David Cameron and his MP's.[/p][/quote]Let it also be known the law allows the council full discretion in certain circumstances. This being one! stopmoaning1
  • Score: 0

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