Should Southend update its image? With several high-end businesses looking to set up in Southend, is the resort ready to ditch its old image and move upmarket?

Should Southend update its image?

Should Southend update its image?

First published in News

YES 

Paul Thompson, Chairman of Southend Seafront Traders Association and owner of Pebbles One kiosk, Marine Parade

IF you look at the entertainment and food business as a whole, such as McDonald’s, they revamped their restaurants and sales have increased dramatically.

We are not moving away from the traditional customer base, but times have moved on and people want something different.

They still want fish and chips, but people expect a bit more these days.

It’s not trying to attract a different clientele – we are improving the offer that is here.

We should encourage more people to come as facilities and amenities are better, more modern and nicer quality.

Possibly the council had the idea of attracting the jet set and Range Rover brigade, but in fact what’s happening is owners are improving their offer and smartening up their businesses.

The same customers want different things – they want better things.

When you do that, it allows you to attract a different type of person as well. By improving the business, you are giving the existing customers better service, but also helping to attract a different clientele who may not have come in the past.

Businesses have to continually reinvent themselves and adapt.

Years ago, at our kiosk, we would sell instant coffee from a machine and sell thousands of cups.

These days we have Coffee Republic coffee. By doing that, not only do I please people here anyway, but if people walking past see it, they think: “That’s a nice coffee brand, I’ll get one.”

Adventure Island is rebranding itself and investing more money with the upgrade of the Sealife Adventure and the lagoon and there is a new casino coming to the Palace Hotel – things are looking up for the businesses.

They are not trying to attract new customers, they are trying to attract them back.

But with the new hotels, there might be new people who haven’t been here before.

NO

Roger Fisher, owner of Doodahs Takeaway, Marine Parade

I DON’T see any problem with improving facilities, but at the same time an awful lot of visitors just want the traditional stuff.

They still come down and want ice cream, fish and chips, burger and chips and a pint of beer.

There is obviously a certain market that will attract people who want to go to upmarket places.

It still seems most of the people come down for a bag of chips and that’s what they want.

People have been seen sitting in a Rolls Royce eating fish and chips on their lap!

People think you should be somewhere posh, eating lobster thermidor. The thing is, if you are going to move upmarket, an awful lot of local people come down and they want a reasonable day at a reasonable cost.

Money is still tight for a lot of people, although some people have plenty. The vast majority of people who come down here still want the traditional seaside element. Most of it is a traditional seaside place and when the weather is nice, people come out in good numbers.

We are here and open all the time, but we are very weather dependent.

Most of the people down here are providing the traditional fare that people come to the seaside for. The airport is helping and I’ve seen an increase in the foreign tourists who are landing at the airport and turning right and coming to Southend rather than going to London.

I don’t see a problem if people want to spend money investing in upmarket places, it’s all well and good. Whether they can get enough people through the door is another matter when the vast number of people come here for the traditional fare.

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10:32am Sun 10 Aug 14

maddriver says...

I suppose both these traders have valid points, but one fact is almighty sure. You can't keep your traditional punters, nor attract new ones, unless you improve your shopping and especially your parking facilities. Having a parking attendant or 'safety' car ticketing you is not the way to welcome visitors, up- or down-market.
I suppose both these traders have valid points, but one fact is almighty sure. You can't keep your traditional punters, nor attract new ones, unless you improve your shopping and especially your parking facilities. Having a parking attendant or 'safety' car ticketing you is not the way to welcome visitors, up- or down-market. maddriver
  • Score: 40

11:13am Sun 10 Aug 14

Howard Cháse says...

Keep it traditional.

Kiss me quick hats

fish and chips

Jellied eels and pints of winkles.

proper pubs none of this fancy nonsense

proper cockney knees up days out for the Eastenders. ...
Keep it traditional. Kiss me quick hats fish and chips Jellied eels and pints of winkles. proper pubs none of this fancy nonsense proper cockney knees up days out for the Eastenders. ... Howard Cháse
  • Score: 27

11:21am Sun 10 Aug 14

Richy don't shine shoes no more says...

If upmarket means charging more for less, they'll fail. The quality is there, just a case of maximising it. Cockle sheds in Leigh, walk up the pier, Rossi ice cream. Move away from that and make southend an expensive day out for people and you're in trouble. No one wants fish and chips served on a wooden board in Southend.

Parking is a good place to start.
If upmarket means charging more for less, they'll fail. The quality is there, just a case of maximising it. Cockle sheds in Leigh, walk up the pier, Rossi ice cream. Move away from that and make southend an expensive day out for people and you're in trouble. No one wants fish and chips served on a wooden board in Southend. Parking is a good place to start. Richy don't shine shoes no more
  • Score: 29

11:47am Sun 10 Aug 14

loolaa says...

I went to doodahs once it cost nearly as much as a normal main meal in a restaurant very over priced for what it was so on this basis would much rather more upmarket establishments (upmarket from a takeaway kiosk) and I think this would attract a greater range of people. Bobby Joes is a great example of a nice friendly place to visit which Is always full up and the only reason I would come down to the seafront.
I went to doodahs once it cost nearly as much as a normal main meal in a restaurant very over priced for what it was so on this basis would much rather more upmarket establishments (upmarket from a takeaway kiosk) and I think this would attract a greater range of people. Bobby Joes is a great example of a nice friendly place to visit which Is always full up and the only reason I would come down to the seafront. loolaa
  • Score: 7

11:47am Sun 10 Aug 14

CHRISTMAS CAROL says...

Yes parking!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes parking!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! CHRISTMAS CAROL
  • Score: 21

11:52am Sun 10 Aug 14

Robin Reliant says...

maddriver wrote:
I suppose both these traders have valid points, but one fact is almighty sure. You can't keep your traditional punters, nor attract new ones, unless you improve your shopping and especially your parking facilities. Having a parking attendant or 'safety' car ticketing you is not the way to welcome visitors, up- or down-market.
Parking is pants, charging up to 9pm along the front is wrong, too high costs also no one really likes a parking attendant but if you pay and display then things are good, but why do they not visit along the papilon stretch and ticket the many vehicles(with bone idle owners) that park in the no parking zone early evenings?, Doodhas is against as he sells burgers and fried onions and that don't fit in with upmarket too much fried cheapo foods, i think it needs to go upmarket and more trendy right along, i didn't think that before but it looks like it is changing shape more now, its the only way.
[quote][p][bold]maddriver[/bold] wrote: I suppose both these traders have valid points, but one fact is almighty sure. You can't keep your traditional punters, nor attract new ones, unless you improve your shopping and especially your parking facilities. Having a parking attendant or 'safety' car ticketing you is not the way to welcome visitors, up- or down-market.[/p][/quote]Parking is pants, charging up to 9pm along the front is wrong, too high costs also no one really likes a parking attendant but if you pay and display then things are good, but why do they not visit along the papilon stretch and ticket the many vehicles(with bone idle owners) that park in the no parking zone early evenings?, Doodhas is against as he sells burgers and fried onions and that don't fit in with upmarket too much fried cheapo foods, i think it needs to go upmarket and more trendy right along, i didn't think that before but it looks like it is changing shape more now, its the only way. Robin Reliant
  • Score: -5

12:05pm Sun 10 Aug 14

John Right says...

Robin Reliant wrote:
maddriver wrote:
I suppose both these traders have valid points, but one fact is almighty sure. You can't keep your traditional punters, nor attract new ones, unless you improve your shopping and especially your parking facilities. Having a parking attendant or 'safety' car ticketing you is not the way to welcome visitors, up- or down-market.
Parking is pants, charging up to 9pm along the front is wrong, too high costs also no one really likes a parking attendant but if you pay and display then things are good, but why do they not visit along the papilon stretch and ticket the many vehicles(with bone idle owners) that park in the no parking zone early evenings?, Doodhas is against as he sells burgers and fried onions and that don't fit in with upmarket too much fried cheapo foods, i think it needs to go upmarket and more trendy right along, i didn't think that before but it looks like it is changing shape more now, its the only way.
Same old same old, nothing will change, apart from the debts created with the pointless so called improvements, what a farce outside Vic station, the seafront the parking the shambles....
[quote][p][bold]Robin Reliant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maddriver[/bold] wrote: I suppose both these traders have valid points, but one fact is almighty sure. You can't keep your traditional punters, nor attract new ones, unless you improve your shopping and especially your parking facilities. Having a parking attendant or 'safety' car ticketing you is not the way to welcome visitors, up- or down-market.[/p][/quote]Parking is pants, charging up to 9pm along the front is wrong, too high costs also no one really likes a parking attendant but if you pay and display then things are good, but why do they not visit along the papilon stretch and ticket the many vehicles(with bone idle owners) that park in the no parking zone early evenings?, Doodhas is against as he sells burgers and fried onions and that don't fit in with upmarket too much fried cheapo foods, i think it needs to go upmarket and more trendy right along, i didn't think that before but it looks like it is changing shape more now, its the only way.[/p][/quote]Same old same old, nothing will change, apart from the debts created with the pointless so called improvements, what a farce outside Vic station, the seafront the parking the shambles.... John Right
  • Score: 22

12:11pm Sun 10 Aug 14

nataliedawn68 says...

Yeah keep it as it is, keep the drunks on the seafront, the graffiti everywhere, the spit and dogends all over the pavements....lovely.
Yeah keep it as it is, keep the drunks on the seafront, the graffiti everywhere, the spit and dogends all over the pavements....lovely. nataliedawn68
  • Score: 9

12:17pm Sun 10 Aug 14

The Macduffian says...

As someone who moved away some fifteen years ago for a better life and who occasionally returns l would like to see the entrances to the town spruced up, parking and public transport improved, the High Street sorted out, Southend should be fit for the local community as they have money to spend 52 weeks of the year, the weather is an advantage to the area , not everybody wants to spend all day on the Golden Mile, so activities in the many parks would help, as well as keeping the town clean
As someone who moved away some fifteen years ago for a better life and who occasionally returns l would like to see the entrances to the town spruced up, parking and public transport improved, the High Street sorted out, Southend should be fit for the local community as they have money to spend 52 weeks of the year, the weather is an advantage to the area , not everybody wants to spend all day on the Golden Mile, so activities in the many parks would help, as well as keeping the town clean The Macduffian
  • Score: 26

12:26pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Robin Reliant says...

" the High Street sorted out, "

Better furniture(get shot of the stainless rubbish and the horrible bins) and more greenery/blooms, and prosecute the fly posters (Mansion night club for starters)that cover boarded up shops and other spaces, i like the sand sculpture and the 'angel' also the market is ok, empty shops should have pictured boardings on the front(lakeside style) and any buiness that has a fly poster should be prosecuted heavily for bringing everything down a level, Take note SBC use your legal dept to do something.!
" the High Street sorted out, " Better furniture(get shot of the stainless rubbish and the horrible bins) and more greenery/blooms, and prosecute the fly posters (Mansion night club for starters)that cover boarded up shops and other spaces, i like the sand sculpture and the 'angel' also the market is ok, empty shops should have pictured boardings on the front(lakeside style) and any buiness that has a fly poster should be prosecuted heavily for bringing everything down a level, Take note SBC use your legal dept to do something.! Robin Reliant
  • Score: 16

12:38pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Saxonpride says...

The shops and businesses are inconsequential to the image of Southend. What matters is the mood of the populace, and fighting the grim atmosphere we have here. We need more events, a stronger local media, and to cultivate the same strong sense of identity enjoyed by London. And a big, BIG part of that is encouraging the young people to step up and change this place.

Our entire focus is too centred on the elderly. We're a little Tory seat and act like it. We're grim, glum, contemptuous of outsiders and despairing of change. Why should anyone care about their own city when the people here despise teenagers, agree with poisoning cats and look down on absolutely any and all artistic ventures to improve our surroundings?

We need to change a lot, and it has nothing to do with commerce as much as cleaning up our streets and injecting colour into all this grey and beige.
The shops and businesses are inconsequential to the image of Southend. What matters is the mood of the populace, and fighting the grim atmosphere we have here. We need more events, a stronger local media, and to cultivate the same strong sense of identity enjoyed by London. And a big, BIG part of that is encouraging the young people to step up and change this place. Our entire focus is too centred on the elderly. We're a little Tory seat and act like it. We're grim, glum, contemptuous of outsiders and despairing of change. Why should anyone care about their own city when the people here despise teenagers, agree with poisoning cats and look down on absolutely any and all artistic ventures to improve our surroundings? We need to change a lot, and it has nothing to do with commerce as much as cleaning up our streets and injecting colour into all this grey and beige. Saxonpride
  • Score: 13

12:48pm Sun 10 Aug 14

John Right says...

It will always be a kiss me quick sort of dive..
It will always be a kiss me quick sort of dive.. John Right
  • Score: -7

1:14pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

Howard Cháse wrote:
Keep it traditional.

Kiss me quick hats

fish and chips

Jellied eels and pints of winkles.

proper pubs none of this fancy nonsense

proper cockney knees up days out for the Eastenders. ...
Never let it be said that I disagree for the sake of disagreeing, with my adversaries.

Just for once, I am in complete concurrence with that except you forgot the tacky gift shops, seaside rock, peanut crunch, crazy golf, boat trips, deckchairs and windbreaks, soggy sandwiches on the beach, sandcastle competitions, shell and pebble collecting and rock pool dipping, except Southend doesn't really have that.

God helps us that they ever TOWIEfy the sea front.

All I'd say is some establishments should tart themselves up to look cleaner and the seafront should be kept pristine in terms of litter but that's mainly down to the sort of oiks who would chuck litter about anyway.

Can't beat good old British seaside. Its uniqueness should be preserved.
[quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: Keep it traditional. Kiss me quick hats fish and chips Jellied eels and pints of winkles. proper pubs none of this fancy nonsense proper cockney knees up days out for the Eastenders. ...[/p][/quote]Never let it be said that I disagree for the sake of disagreeing, with my adversaries. Just for once, I am in complete concurrence with that except you forgot the tacky gift shops, seaside rock, peanut crunch, crazy golf, boat trips, deckchairs and windbreaks, soggy sandwiches on the beach, sandcastle competitions, shell and pebble collecting and rock pool dipping, except Southend doesn't really have that. God helps us that they ever TOWIEfy the sea front. All I'd say is some establishments should tart themselves up to look cleaner and the seafront should be kept pristine in terms of litter but that's mainly down to the sort of oiks who would chuck litter about anyway. Can't beat good old British seaside. Its uniqueness should be preserved. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 20

1:34pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

John Right wrote:
It will always be a kiss me quick sort of dive..
To folk like you who like to talk everything and everybody down, yes it will.

Nothing wrong with traditional seaside but I suppose you find it offensive because it's traditional English. Seaside should be quintessentially English and part of our culture, whether it offends the likes of you or not.

Personally I don't share your champagne socialist snob viewpoint of kiss me quick and so on.

Haven't you another hate campaign to get underway.? I wonder who the next victim will be. Somebody more worthy of putting under the spotlight maybe, like chief execs on phone number salaries who do b*****r all or will it be better to stick to your usual easy targets.

All Southend needs is, as someone pointed out above, drunks and lawbreakers kept away by stricter police controls - and a cleanup operation for the grubbier areas; additionally York Road sorted out once and for all and the traditional English seaside holiday resort feel promoted with no deference whatsoever to any sort of TOWIE tripe.
[quote][p][bold]John Right[/bold] wrote: It will always be a kiss me quick sort of dive..[/p][/quote]To folk like you who like to talk everything and everybody down, yes it will. Nothing wrong with traditional seaside but I suppose you find it offensive because it's traditional English. Seaside should be quintessentially English and part of our culture, whether it offends the likes of you or not. Personally I don't share your champagne socialist snob viewpoint of kiss me quick and so on. Haven't you another hate campaign to get underway.? I wonder who the next victim will be. Somebody more worthy of putting under the spotlight maybe, like chief execs on phone number salaries who do b*****r all or will it be better to stick to your usual easy targets. All Southend needs is, as someone pointed out above, drunks and lawbreakers kept away by stricter police controls - and a cleanup operation for the grubbier areas; additionally York Road sorted out once and for all and the traditional English seaside holiday resort feel promoted with no deference whatsoever to any sort of TOWIE tripe. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 14

2:40pm Sun 10 Aug 14

emcee says...

Going "upmarket" is, generally, just a green light to charge higher prices for what is basically the same product or service. Thousands of people may be happy to pay £1 for a mug of instant coffee but when you sart introducing "upmarket" coffee products and charge £3+ a mug it starts to create an air of elitism.

Southend is not and never has been an upmarket sort of place. It is not that type of town. You have the wrong type of base demographic for a start... working class. Besides, there is no point being upmarket if the town is not an inviting or pleasant place to be in the first place. To do that you first have to tackle the following:

1. The town's increasing violent crime
2. Litter, fly tipping, dog mess and overgrowing weeds, and not just in the main shopping areas (the whole of Southend is becoming awfully dirty).
3. Improve the rapid growth of "slummy" areas. This includes prevention of dereliction and neglect, even if this means confiscation of property.
4. Lack of parking and high parking fees
5. The very mediocre (at best) public transport infrastructure

And this is just for a start.
I would like to live in a safe, clean and pleasant town before I even concern myself with whether or not it should be upmarket. But, as things stand, Southend will never be "upmarket" if the powers that be cannot get the basics right in the first place.
Going "upmarket" is, generally, just a green light to charge higher prices for what is basically the same product or service. Thousands of people may be happy to pay £1 for a mug of instant coffee but when you sart introducing "upmarket" coffee products and charge £3+ a mug it starts to create an air of elitism. Southend is not and never has been an upmarket sort of place. It is not that type of town. You have the wrong type of base demographic for a start... working class. Besides, there is no point being upmarket if the town is not an inviting or pleasant place to be in the first place. To do that you first have to tackle the following: 1. The town's increasing violent crime 2. Litter, fly tipping, dog mess and overgrowing weeds, and not just in the main shopping areas (the whole of Southend is becoming awfully dirty). 3. Improve the rapid growth of "slummy" areas. This includes prevention of dereliction and neglect, even if this means confiscation of property. 4. Lack of parking and high parking fees 5. The very mediocre (at best) public transport infrastructure And this is just for a start. I would like to live in a safe, clean and pleasant town before I even concern myself with whether or not it should be upmarket. But, as things stand, Southend will never be "upmarket" if the powers that be cannot get the basics right in the first place. emcee
  • Score: 19

2:46pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Nelly99 says...

I love Southend, that is why I live here. But image is something bestowed on you and you can't just decide you are going to change it. The tackiness of the sea-front is part of it,s charm. The bit along the front towards Westcliff and the Casino is actually rather nice. Not quite Bournemouth but still commendable. The town centre itself is a bit of a mess and I agree about the awful chrome street furniture. But the big let down is the main thoroughfare in along Vic Ave. The old C.E. Heath building looks like downtown Iraq on a bad day. Surely the council can force the owners to sort it out or knock it down. A building ironically called the Pinnacle is fronted by a load of bricks! Next time the council get offered a grant to improve the town I hope instead of more stupid traffic lights and ridiculous road developments they spend the money on something worthwhile.
I love Southend, that is why I live here. But image is something bestowed on you and you can't just decide you are going to change it. The tackiness of the sea-front is part of it,s charm. The bit along the front towards Westcliff and the Casino is actually rather nice. Not quite Bournemouth but still commendable. The town centre itself is a bit of a mess and I agree about the awful chrome street furniture. But the big let down is the main thoroughfare in along Vic Ave. The old C.E. Heath building looks like downtown Iraq on a bad day. Surely the council can force the owners to sort it out or knock it down. A building ironically called the Pinnacle is fronted by a load of bricks! Next time the council get offered a grant to improve the town I hope instead of more stupid traffic lights and ridiculous road developments they spend the money on something worthwhile. Nelly99
  • Score: 20

2:53pm Sun 10 Aug 14

jolllyboy says...

Upmarket to one person is not to another hence the mess we are in now. You will never erase the image of southend as a day trippers place however many upmarket businesses etc you put there. This town has gone full circle in its attempt to attract but however you look at it the only two roads into the town are a nightmare so to many the only way is - out, not to come back except when there are no events on which is the whole point of coming to southend in the first place.
Upmarket to one person is not to another hence the mess we are in now. You will never erase the image of southend as a day trippers place however many upmarket businesses etc you put there. This town has gone full circle in its attempt to attract but however you look at it the only two roads into the town are a nightmare so to many the only way is - out, not to come back except when there are no events on which is the whole point of coming to southend in the first place. jolllyboy
  • Score: 11

3:12pm Sun 10 Aug 14

charlie26 says...

you need to get rid of the tramps all the druggies etc and im afraid that's never going to happen !!
you need to get rid of the tramps all the druggies etc and im afraid that's never going to happen !! charlie26
  • Score: 17

4:01pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Adriver1 says...

Sort Victoria Station area out! 25 minutes to get up Victoria Avenue, then everybody who's shot up the right hand lane indicates left...
Sort Victoria Station area out! 25 minutes to get up Victoria Avenue, then everybody who's shot up the right hand lane indicates left... Adriver1
  • Score: 16

4:11pm Sun 10 Aug 14

southendfanman says...

Will the Southend city beach project be extended past the Kursal to Eastern Esplanade as previously reported and planned? That would be good.
Will the Southend city beach project be extended past the Kursal to Eastern Esplanade as previously reported and planned? That would be good. southendfanman
  • Score: -8

4:32pm Sun 10 Aug 14

arram says...

maddriver wrote:
I suppose both these traders have valid points, but one fact is almighty sure. You can't keep your traditional punters, nor attract new ones, unless you improve your shopping and especially your parking facilities. Having a parking attendant or 'safety' car ticketing you is not the way to welcome visitors, up- or down-market.
Southend has always been a one night stay town.....Brighton has always been a two night stay...the old dirty weekend....this was because of the coach trips from parts of North London...ie Stamford Hill...South Tottenham...and at the end of the trip was the Kursel... and young boys and girls....all hoping to 'meet' each other...living in Southend area takes getting used to not an easy town.....I think I am just about there after 14 years.....
[quote][p][bold]maddriver[/bold] wrote: I suppose both these traders have valid points, but one fact is almighty sure. You can't keep your traditional punters, nor attract new ones, unless you improve your shopping and especially your parking facilities. Having a parking attendant or 'safety' car ticketing you is not the way to welcome visitors, up- or down-market.[/p][/quote]Southend has always been a one night stay town.....Brighton has always been a two night stay...the old dirty weekend....this was because of the coach trips from parts of North London...ie Stamford Hill...South Tottenham...and at the end of the trip was the Kursel... and young boys and girls....all hoping to 'meet' each other...living in Southend area takes getting used to not an easy town.....I think I am just about there after 14 years..... arram
  • Score: 1

4:50pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Nelly99 says...

Adriver1 wrote:
Sort Victoria Station area out! 25 minutes to get up Victoria Avenue, then everybody who's shot up the right hand lane indicates left...
Oh I,m with you my friend. Whoever decided the roundabout should go should be shot. Trouble is SBC won't admit they made a massive c*ck up with Vic Circus and put it back the way it was! To drive in Southend you need the patience of a Waite. (Anna Waite).
[quote][p][bold]Adriver1[/bold] wrote: Sort Victoria Station area out! 25 minutes to get up Victoria Avenue, then everybody who's shot up the right hand lane indicates left...[/p][/quote]Oh I,m with you my friend. Whoever decided the roundabout should go should be shot. Trouble is SBC won't admit they made a massive c*ck up with Vic Circus and put it back the way it was! To drive in Southend you need the patience of a Waite. (Anna Waite). Nelly99
  • Score: 12

6:08pm Sun 10 Aug 14

jackbash says...

The Victoria "Gateway". Permanently closed. A toll gate. The east west divider. The traffic jam maker. Whose traffic lights don't talk to each other. Whose engineers didn't think. An example of wasted public money and wasted public space.

Just one example of many...
The Victoria "Gateway". Permanently closed. A toll gate. The east west divider. The traffic jam maker. Whose traffic lights don't talk to each other. Whose engineers didn't think. An example of wasted public money and wasted public space. Just one example of many... jackbash
  • Score: 5

6:12pm Sun 10 Aug 14

jackbash says...

charlie26 wrote:
you need to get rid of the tramps all the druggies etc and im afraid that's never going to happen !!
Not so long as the local authority and their social housing friends continue to dump them into just one spot...a few hundred yards from the High Street lol They're a LA created feature of Southend...a bit like the pier!
[quote][p][bold]charlie26[/bold] wrote: you need to get rid of the tramps all the druggies etc and im afraid that's never going to happen !![/p][/quote]Not so long as the local authority and their social housing friends continue to dump them into just one spot...a few hundred yards from the High Street lol They're a LA created feature of Southend...a bit like the pier! jackbash
  • Score: 7

7:05pm Sun 10 Aug 14

jayman says...

Southend used to have an image, A quite genuine one. It also had its own culture too. Until a group of self interested tories and a few businesses did away with it.. I say, let's bring back kiss me quick...
Southend used to have an image, A quite genuine one. It also had its own culture too. Until a group of self interested tories and a few businesses did away with it.. I say, let's bring back kiss me quick... jayman
  • Score: 16

7:50pm Sun 10 Aug 14

cairoqueen says...

Get rid of the Forresters, and all the low lowlife places near the Kursaal,for starters, provide reasonable parking, and sort out the shops, visitors want something different , pawn brokers betting shops and 99p shops won't bring people to the town ,a better shopping centre would be good too.
Get rid of the Forresters, and all the low lowlife places near the Kursaal,for starters, provide reasonable parking, and sort out the shops, visitors want something different , pawn brokers betting shops and 99p shops won't bring people to the town ,a better shopping centre would be good too. cairoqueen
  • Score: 4

7:59pm Sun 10 Aug 14

cairoqueen says...

Saxonpride wrote:
The shops and businesses are inconsequential to the image of Southend. What matters is the mood of the populace, and fighting the grim atmosphere we have here. We need more events, a stronger local media, and to cultivate the same strong sense of identity enjoyed by London. And a big, BIG part of that is encouraging the young people to step up and change this place.

Our entire focus is too centred on the elderly. We're a little Tory seat and act like it. We're grim, glum, contemptuous of outsiders and despairing of change. Why should anyone care about their own city when the people here despise teenagers, agree with poisoning cats and look down on absolutely any and all artistic ventures to improve our surroundings?

We need to change a lot, and it has nothing to do with commerce as much as cleaning up our streets and injecting colour into all this grey and beige.
All very well but the town's populace has declined due to shop lifting drugs, and the ease of getting benefits without lifting a finger, leaving the hard working, to bear the brunt of the lower classes who swagger round town with arrogance and ignorance thinking they have the right to do as they please and sod everyone else!
[quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: The shops and businesses are inconsequential to the image of Southend. What matters is the mood of the populace, and fighting the grim atmosphere we have here. We need more events, a stronger local media, and to cultivate the same strong sense of identity enjoyed by London. And a big, BIG part of that is encouraging the young people to step up and change this place. Our entire focus is too centred on the elderly. We're a little Tory seat and act like it. We're grim, glum, contemptuous of outsiders and despairing of change. Why should anyone care about their own city when the people here despise teenagers, agree with poisoning cats and look down on absolutely any and all artistic ventures to improve our surroundings? We need to change a lot, and it has nothing to do with commerce as much as cleaning up our streets and injecting colour into all this grey and beige.[/p][/quote]All very well but the town's populace has declined due to shop lifting drugs, and the ease of getting benefits without lifting a finger, leaving the hard working, to bear the brunt of the lower classes who swagger round town with arrogance and ignorance thinking they have the right to do as they please and sod everyone else! cairoqueen
  • Score: 4

8:31pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Andycal 172D says...

I walked up the High Street last week. The state of it is truly AWFUL! There are very few shops to make it a shopping "destination". Way too many Pound (or less) shops, bookies and Gods help us pawnshops! (Sorry Money Exchanges!) Why would ANYONE go up there to buy ANYTHING? As for the bigger branches, Top Shop looks sad and tired, M&S stocks clothing that appears to be for the recently dead of old age, Debenhams is beyond help... Need I go on?
As for the High Street itself I assume someone has decided that we should try and be "cosmopolitan". I found one man perpetrating the accordion, someone painted silver on a silver tricycle under the bridge whose purpose failed me completely, a bloke who claimed to be a clown - just scary and a little sad - and a youngster who seemed to be playing the acoustic guitar in morse as his chord changes were not quite mastered yet. All I can say is that Brighton shouldn't be quaking in it's boots yet.
Take all this with the downtown Gaza look of Victoria Avenue, the awful dereliction of London Road from Chalkwell Park into Southend and the unutterable awfulness of the "shared space" area of the seafront you are forced to wonder why anyone would come to this dive!
As for charging for parking - I mean REALLY??????
I walked up the High Street last week. The state of it is truly AWFUL! There are very few shops to make it a shopping "destination". Way too many Pound (or less) shops, bookies and Gods help us pawnshops! (Sorry Money Exchanges!) Why would ANYONE go up there to buy ANYTHING? As for the bigger branches, Top Shop looks sad and tired, M&S stocks clothing that appears to be for the recently dead of old age, Debenhams is beyond help... Need I go on? As for the High Street itself I assume someone has decided that we should try and be "cosmopolitan". I found one man perpetrating the accordion, someone painted silver on a silver tricycle under the bridge whose purpose failed me completely, a bloke who claimed to be a clown - just scary and a little sad - and a youngster who seemed to be playing the acoustic guitar in morse as his chord changes were not quite mastered yet. All I can say is that Brighton shouldn't be quaking in it's boots yet. Take all this with the downtown Gaza look of Victoria Avenue, the awful dereliction of London Road from Chalkwell Park into Southend and the unutterable awfulness of the "shared space" area of the seafront you are forced to wonder why anyone would come to this dive! As for charging for parking - I mean REALLY?????? Andycal 172D
  • Score: 16

8:42pm Sun 10 Aug 14

John Right says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
John Right wrote:
It will always be a kiss me quick sort of dive..
To folk like you who like to talk everything and everybody down, yes it will.

Nothing wrong with traditional seaside but I suppose you find it offensive because it's traditional English. Seaside should be quintessentially English and part of our culture, whether it offends the likes of you or not.

Personally I don't share your champagne socialist snob viewpoint of kiss me quick and so on.

Haven't you another hate campaign to get underway.? I wonder who the next victim will be. Somebody more worthy of putting under the spotlight maybe, like chief execs on phone number salaries who do b*****r all or will it be better to stick to your usual easy targets.

All Southend needs is, as someone pointed out above, drunks and lawbreakers kept away by stricter police controls - and a cleanup operation for the grubbier areas; additionally York Road sorted out once and for all and the traditional English seaside holiday resort feel promoted with no deference whatsoever to any sort of TOWIE tripe.
I much prefer you, living in your flat above Blanco, Ive seen you on your balcony - poor balcony, Now say sorry...
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Right[/bold] wrote: It will always be a kiss me quick sort of dive..[/p][/quote]To folk like you who like to talk everything and everybody down, yes it will. Nothing wrong with traditional seaside but I suppose you find it offensive because it's traditional English. Seaside should be quintessentially English and part of our culture, whether it offends the likes of you or not. Personally I don't share your champagne socialist snob viewpoint of kiss me quick and so on. Haven't you another hate campaign to get underway.? I wonder who the next victim will be. Somebody more worthy of putting under the spotlight maybe, like chief execs on phone number salaries who do b*****r all or will it be better to stick to your usual easy targets. All Southend needs is, as someone pointed out above, drunks and lawbreakers kept away by stricter police controls - and a cleanup operation for the grubbier areas; additionally York Road sorted out once and for all and the traditional English seaside holiday resort feel promoted with no deference whatsoever to any sort of TOWIE tripe.[/p][/quote]I much prefer you, living in your flat above Blanco, Ive seen you on your balcony - poor balcony, Now say sorry... John Right
  • Score: 3

9:05pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Almeda11 says...

Nelly99 wrote:
I love Southend, that is why I live here. But image is something bestowed on you and you can't just decide you are going to change it. The tackiness of the sea-front is part of it,s charm. The bit along the front towards Westcliff and the Casino is actually rather nice. Not quite Bournemouth but still commendable. The town centre itself is a bit of a mess and I agree about the awful chrome street furniture. But the big let down is the main thoroughfare in along Vic Ave. The old C.E. Heath building looks like downtown Iraq on a bad day. Surely the council can force the owners to sort it out or knock it down. A building ironically called the Pinnacle is fronted by a load of bricks! Next time the council get offered a grant to improve the town I hope instead of more stupid traffic lights and ridiculous road developments they spend the money on something worthwhile.
Yes, like potholes and joined up cycle tracks, would make things a lot easier, our roads are a complete disgrace!
[quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: I love Southend, that is why I live here. But image is something bestowed on you and you can't just decide you are going to change it. The tackiness of the sea-front is part of it,s charm. The bit along the front towards Westcliff and the Casino is actually rather nice. Not quite Bournemouth but still commendable. The town centre itself is a bit of a mess and I agree about the awful chrome street furniture. But the big let down is the main thoroughfare in along Vic Ave. The old C.E. Heath building looks like downtown Iraq on a bad day. Surely the council can force the owners to sort it out or knock it down. A building ironically called the Pinnacle is fronted by a load of bricks! Next time the council get offered a grant to improve the town I hope instead of more stupid traffic lights and ridiculous road developments they spend the money on something worthwhile.[/p][/quote]Yes, like potholes and joined up cycle tracks, would make things a lot easier, our roads are a complete disgrace! Almeda11
  • Score: 7

10:31pm Sun 10 Aug 14

haigh1493 says...

Andycal 172D wrote:
I walked up the High Street last week. The state of it is truly AWFUL! There are very few shops to make it a shopping "destinationand yet despite your doommongering, it's a town on the up, the seafront from Chalkwell to Ocean Beach is great, catering for kids, families, those who want a traditional seaside feel an those who want something a bit more upmarket, the airport is booming, the greater area (Leigh, Rayleigh, Rochford etc) is sought after and house prices increasing...
I agree the high st area needs some thinking about - it needs John Lewis, basically - and it also needs to have a more cultural/studenty quarter centred around the Uni with more independent shops and restaurants.
I love Westcliff, the variety of shops and cafes if brilliant, and it has character! WTF do you want? Leigh Broadway?
Vic Ave is a disgrace though.
[quote][p][bold]Andycal 172D[/bold] wrote: I walked up the High Street last week. The state of it is truly AWFUL! There are very few shops to make it a shopping "destinationand yet despite your doommongering, it's a town on the up, the seafront from Chalkwell to Ocean Beach is great, catering for kids, families, those who want a traditional seaside feel an those who want something a bit more upmarket, the airport is booming, the greater area (Leigh, Rayleigh, Rochford etc) is sought after and house prices increasing... I agree the high st area needs some thinking about - it needs John Lewis, basically - and it also needs to have a more cultural/studenty quarter centred around the Uni with more independent shops and restaurants. I love Westcliff, the variety of shops and cafes if brilliant, and it has character! WTF do you want? Leigh Broadway? Vic Ave is a disgrace though. haigh1493
  • Score: 2

10:34pm Sun 10 Aug 14

southendfanman says...

Westcliff is a ghetto and full of drug dealing hood rats.
Westcliff is a ghetto and full of drug dealing hood rats. southendfanman
  • Score: 9

11:22am Mon 11 Aug 14

sesibollox says...

cairoqueen wrote:
Get rid of the Forresters, and all the low lowlife places near the Kursaal,for starters, provide reasonable parking, and sort out the shops, visitors want something different , pawn brokers betting shops and 99p shops won't bring people to the town ,a better shopping centre would be good too.
Bring back the Strippers at the Forresters
[quote][p][bold]cairoqueen[/bold] wrote: Get rid of the Forresters, and all the low lowlife places near the Kursaal,for starters, provide reasonable parking, and sort out the shops, visitors want something different , pawn brokers betting shops and 99p shops won't bring people to the town ,a better shopping centre would be good too.[/p][/quote]Bring back the Strippers at the Forresters sesibollox
  • Score: 2

11:55am Mon 11 Aug 14

Jaimundo says...

Personally I'd love Southend to shift its image as some cockernee playground. I appreciate there has been significant migration from the East End over the last 100 years or so, but there's a new generation who have been brought up and around the town and a new university attracting students from across the country. We don't need to pander to the ageing cockney generation and the amount of Spurs/West Ham shirts you see in town is nauseating when there is a decent professional outfit that plays good football just down Victoria Avenue.

Southend does need an image change but it needs the people who live there to be more positive and proactive about the town instead of running it down all the time. There is lots to be positive about and no town of this size is without its problems so why do so many focus on the negatives?
Personally I'd love Southend to shift its image as some cockernee playground. I appreciate there has been significant migration from the East End over the last 100 years or so, but there's a new generation who have been brought up and around the town and a new university attracting students from across the country. We don't need to pander to the ageing cockney generation and the amount of Spurs/West Ham shirts you see in town is nauseating when there is a decent professional outfit that plays good football just down Victoria Avenue. Southend does need an image change but it needs the people who live there to be more positive and proactive about the town instead of running it down all the time. There is lots to be positive about and no town of this size is without its problems so why do so many focus on the negatives? Jaimundo
  • Score: -3

1:48pm Mon 11 Aug 14

emcee says...

Jaimundo wrote:
Personally I'd love Southend to shift its image as some cockernee playground. I appreciate there has been significant migration from the East End over the last 100 years or so, but there's a new generation who have been brought up and around the town and a new university attracting students from across the country. We don't need to pander to the ageing cockney generation and the amount of Spurs/West Ham shirts you see in town is nauseating when there is a decent professional outfit that plays good football just down Victoria Avenue.

Southend does need an image change but it needs the people who live there to be more positive and proactive about the town instead of running it down all the time. There is lots to be positive about and no town of this size is without its problems so why do so many focus on the negatives?
Maybe one reason could be because the negatives outweigh the positives or that there is so much wrong with this town that the negatives are in real danger of smothering any positives there may be, so much so that is getting nearer to the "point of no return". The people who live and work here see it everyday but councils never do (or choose not to), for some reason.

You would be forgiven to think that every decision any council administration has made in recent years has been a knee jerk decision and quite often it has been. Southend Council, as far as I know, has no proper 10, 20, 30 year stratedgy to base their decisions on. After all, there is no real insentive for them to do so when councils are only on a rolling annual administration, and all councillors are here today, gone tomorrow. This makes all their decision making rather more political rather than making the right decisions for the good of the town and its townsfolk.
[quote][p][bold]Jaimundo[/bold] wrote: Personally I'd love Southend to shift its image as some cockernee playground. I appreciate there has been significant migration from the East End over the last 100 years or so, but there's a new generation who have been brought up and around the town and a new university attracting students from across the country. We don't need to pander to the ageing cockney generation and the amount of Spurs/West Ham shirts you see in town is nauseating when there is a decent professional outfit that plays good football just down Victoria Avenue. Southend does need an image change but it needs the people who live there to be more positive and proactive about the town instead of running it down all the time. There is lots to be positive about and no town of this size is without its problems so why do so many focus on the negatives?[/p][/quote]Maybe one reason could be because the negatives outweigh the positives or that there is so much wrong with this town that the negatives are in real danger of smothering any positives there may be, so much so that is getting nearer to the "point of no return". The people who live and work here see it everyday but councils never do (or choose not to), for some reason. You would be forgiven to think that every decision any council administration has made in recent years has been a knee jerk decision and quite often it has been. Southend Council, as far as I know, has no proper 10, 20, 30 year stratedgy to base their decisions on. After all, there is no real insentive for them to do so when councils are only on a rolling annual administration, and all councillors are here today, gone tomorrow. This makes all their decision making rather more political rather than making the right decisions for the good of the town and its townsfolk. emcee
  • Score: 3

2:14pm Mon 11 Aug 14

runwellian says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
John Right wrote:
It will always be a kiss me quick sort of dive..
To folk like you who like to talk everything and everybody down, yes it will.

Nothing wrong with traditional seaside but I suppose you find it offensive because it's traditional English. Seaside should be quintessentially English and part of our culture, whether it offends the likes of you or not.

Personally I don't share your champagne socialist snob viewpoint of kiss me quick and so on.

Haven't you another hate campaign to get underway.? I wonder who the next victim will be. Somebody more worthy of putting under the spotlight maybe, like chief execs on phone number salaries who do b*****r all or will it be better to stick to your usual easy targets.

All Southend needs is, as someone pointed out above, drunks and lawbreakers kept away by stricter police controls - and a cleanup operation for the grubbier areas; additionally York Road sorted out once and for all and the traditional English seaside holiday resort feel promoted with no deference whatsoever to any sort of TOWIE tripe.
Hope that includes keeping yo away, then it might be a nicer place!
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Right[/bold] wrote: It will always be a kiss me quick sort of dive..[/p][/quote]To folk like you who like to talk everything and everybody down, yes it will. Nothing wrong with traditional seaside but I suppose you find it offensive because it's traditional English. Seaside should be quintessentially English and part of our culture, whether it offends the likes of you or not. Personally I don't share your champagne socialist snob viewpoint of kiss me quick and so on. Haven't you another hate campaign to get underway.? I wonder who the next victim will be. Somebody more worthy of putting under the spotlight maybe, like chief execs on phone number salaries who do b*****r all or will it be better to stick to your usual easy targets. All Southend needs is, as someone pointed out above, drunks and lawbreakers kept away by stricter police controls - and a cleanup operation for the grubbier areas; additionally York Road sorted out once and for all and the traditional English seaside holiday resort feel promoted with no deference whatsoever to any sort of TOWIE tripe.[/p][/quote]Hope that includes keeping yo away, then it might be a nicer place! runwellian
  • Score: -4

2:28pm Mon 11 Aug 14

runwellian says...

Southend on Sea, full of road works that never end, expensive parking late on into the evening, a choice of shops available in every high street, stainless steel seating that is alway wet to sit on, rubbish bins overflowing, the homeless in every doorway, and PSO's enjoying the walk up and down the hight street, ghastly noisy so called 'musicians' begging under the bridge, ...

There are lots of lovely parks that stand unused so attract the undesirables looking for a quick bag snatch.

The gardens along the sea front that were once so beautiful, now just patches of dried our grass, a sight for sore eyes!.

At night there are the 'prossies and drug sellers, fights and stabbings, the drunks that clutter up A&E ....
hardly the most inspiring town to visit!

Does Southend need a new image?
A new management structure might help, this once beautiful vibrant town is now something I avoid like the plague!
Southend on Sea, full of road works that never end, expensive parking late on into the evening, a choice of shops available in every high street, stainless steel seating that is alway wet to sit on, rubbish bins overflowing, the homeless in every doorway, and PSO's enjoying the walk up and down the hight street, ghastly noisy so called 'musicians' begging under the bridge, ... There are lots of lovely parks that stand unused so attract the undesirables looking for a quick bag snatch. The gardens along the sea front that were once so beautiful, now just patches of dried our grass, a sight for sore eyes!. At night there are the 'prossies and drug sellers, fights and stabbings, the drunks that clutter up A&E .... hardly the most inspiring town to visit! Does Southend need a new image? A new management structure might help, this once beautiful vibrant town is now something I avoid like the plague! runwellian
  • Score: 8

2:37pm Mon 11 Aug 14

pembury53 says...

you can't make a silk purse from a donkeys tail..... leigh-on-sea for those with class, culture, and the cash to spend, leave southend as a family day out for the riff-raff.......
you can't make a silk purse from a donkeys tail..... leigh-on-sea for those with class, culture, and the cash to spend, leave southend as a family day out for the riff-raff....... pembury53
  • Score: 2

3:15pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Nebs says...

Presumably the council has done a cost/benefit analysis in relation to day trippers. The benefits being the money they spend that stays in the borough, and the costs being such things as cleaning, maintenance and policing.
I sometimes wonder if Southend would be better off restricting the number of tourists, and pricing (by going up market) is one way to do that.
Presumably the council has done a cost/benefit analysis in relation to day trippers. The benefits being the money they spend that stays in the borough, and the costs being such things as cleaning, maintenance and policing. I sometimes wonder if Southend would be better off restricting the number of tourists, and pricing (by going up market) is one way to do that. Nebs
  • Score: 2

3:40pm Mon 11 Aug 14

southendfanman says...

The parking need to be sorted out on the seafront. Since the City beach project spaces have been lost. More will be lost with the development of the Seaway cark park , Warrior Square etc. I have seen families drive around and around for like 2 hours or more looking for parking. I see pubs with spaces charge £10 for a days parking along with the big Chinese. No body takes notice of Double Yellows around the Seafront side roads and they never get tickets as the focus is ticketing the Seafront. Many of the double yellow lines are parked on by so called disabled people with blue badges driving huge Chelsea Chariots (4x4's) which are paid for by the government by mobility. The funny thing is that none of the people who get out of them seem to have any issue walking, carrying, walking the dog or pushing kids in pushchairs.
The seafront needs more parking and less strict parking rules. Also the metres are set up so people fail, they should be pay on return not pay for a time limit.
The parking need to be sorted out on the seafront. Since the City beach project spaces have been lost. More will be lost with the development of the Seaway cark park , Warrior Square etc. I have seen families drive around and around for like 2 hours or more looking for parking. I see pubs with spaces charge £10 for a days parking along with the big Chinese. No body takes notice of Double Yellows around the Seafront side roads and they never get tickets as the focus is ticketing the Seafront. Many of the double yellow lines are parked on by so called disabled people with blue badges driving huge Chelsea Chariots (4x4's) which are paid for by the government by mobility. The funny thing is that none of the people who get out of them seem to have any issue walking, carrying, walking the dog or pushing kids in pushchairs. The seafront needs more parking and less strict parking rules. Also the metres are set up so people fail, they should be pay on return not pay for a time limit. southendfanman
  • Score: -3

5:44pm Mon 11 Aug 14

sesibollox says...

John Right wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
John Right wrote:
It will always be a kiss me quick sort of dive..
To folk like you who like to talk everything and everybody down, yes it will.

Nothing wrong with traditional seaside but I suppose you find it offensive because it's traditional English. Seaside should be quintessentially English and part of our culture, whether it offends the likes of you or not.

Personally I don't share your champagne socialist snob viewpoint of kiss me quick and so on.

Haven't you another hate campaign to get underway.? I wonder who the next victim will be. Somebody more worthy of putting under the spotlight maybe, like chief execs on phone number salaries who do b*****r all or will it be better to stick to your usual easy targets.

All Southend needs is, as someone pointed out above, drunks and lawbreakers kept away by stricter police controls - and a cleanup operation for the grubbier areas; additionally York Road sorted out once and for all and the traditional English seaside holiday resort feel promoted with no deference whatsoever to any sort of TOWIE tripe.
I much prefer you, living in your flat above Blanco, Ive seen you on your balcony - poor balcony, Now say sorry...
.
[quote][p][bold]John Right[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Right[/bold] wrote: It will always be a kiss me quick sort of dive..[/p][/quote]To folk like you who like to talk everything and everybody down, yes it will. Nothing wrong with traditional seaside but I suppose you find it offensive because it's traditional English. Seaside should be quintessentially English and part of our culture, whether it offends the likes of you or not. Personally I don't share your champagne socialist snob viewpoint of kiss me quick and so on. Haven't you another hate campaign to get underway.? I wonder who the next victim will be. Somebody more worthy of putting under the spotlight maybe, like chief execs on phone number salaries who do b*****r all or will it be better to stick to your usual easy targets. All Southend needs is, as someone pointed out above, drunks and lawbreakers kept away by stricter police controls - and a cleanup operation for the grubbier areas; additionally York Road sorted out once and for all and the traditional English seaside holiday resort feel promoted with no deference whatsoever to any sort of TOWIE tripe.[/p][/quote]I much prefer you, living in your flat above Blanco, Ive seen you on your balcony - poor balcony, Now say sorry...[/p][/quote]. sesibollox
  • Score: 0

5:46pm Mon 11 Aug 14

sesibollox says...

High time they banned cars from the Golden Mile,
High time they banned cars from the Golden Mile, sesibollox
  • Score: 0

1:47am Tue 12 Aug 14

Andycal 172D says...

haigh1493 wrote:
Andycal 172D wrote:
I walked up the High Street last week. The state of it is truly AWFUL! There are very few shops to make it a shopping "destinationand yet despite your doommongering, it's a town on the up, the seafront from Chalkwell to Ocean Beach is great, catering for kids, families, those who want a traditional seaside feel an those who want something a bit more upmarket, the airport is booming, the greater area (Leigh, Rayleigh, Rochford etc) is sought after and house prices increasing...
I agree the high st area needs some thinking about - it needs John Lewis, basically - and it also needs to have a more cultural/studenty quarter centred around the Uni with more independent shops and restaurants.
I love Westcliff, the variety of shops and cafes if brilliant, and it has character! WTF do you want? Leigh Broadway?
Vic Ave is a disgrace though.So, what you're saying is anywhere outside the main town isn't too bad except for a small strip of beach?

I live in Westcliff and your comment mystifies me! The variety of bookies and mini-supermarkets is astounding - true! Havens is FANTASTIC and there are one or two interesting cafes on Hamlet Ct Rd. BUT there are way too many charity shops, empty shops and Crud Parlours selling rubbish!

The problem is to get to the good bits of Southend a visitor has to try and drive through the very worst bits. Why should they bother?
[quote][p][bold]haigh1493[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andycal 172D[/bold] wrote: I walked up the High Street last week. The state of it is truly AWFUL! There are very few shops to make it a shopping "destinationand yet despite your doommongering, it's a town on the up, the seafront from Chalkwell to Ocean Beach is great, catering for kids, families, those who want a traditional seaside feel an those who want something a bit more upmarket, the airport is booming, the greater area (Leigh, Rayleigh, Rochford etc) is sought after and house prices increasing... I agree the high st area needs some thinking about - it needs John Lewis, basically - and it also needs to have a more cultural/studenty quarter centred around the Uni with more independent shops and restaurants. I love Westcliff, the variety of shops and cafes if brilliant, and it has character! WTF do you want? Leigh Broadway? Vic Ave is a disgrace though.[/p][/quote]So, what you're saying is anywhere outside the main town isn't too bad except for a small strip of beach? I live in Westcliff and your comment mystifies me! The variety of bookies and mini-supermarkets is astounding - true! Havens is FANTASTIC and there are one or two interesting cafes on Hamlet Ct Rd. BUT there are way too many charity shops, empty shops and Crud Parlours selling rubbish! The problem is to get to the good bits of Southend a visitor has to try and drive through the very worst bits. Why should they bother? Andycal 172D
  • Score: 3

8:31am Tue 12 Aug 14

sesibollox says...

runwellian wrote:
Southend on Sea, full of road works that never end, expensive parking late on into the evening, a choice of shops available in every high street, stainless steel seating that is alway wet to sit on, rubbish bins overflowing, the homeless in every doorway, and PSO's enjoying the walk up and down the hight street, ghastly noisy so called 'musicians' begging under the bridge, ...

There are lots of lovely parks that stand unused so attract the undesirables looking for a quick bag snatch.

The gardens along the sea front that were once so beautiful, now just patches of dried our grass, a sight for sore eyes!.

At night there are the 'prossies and drug sellers, fights and stabbings, the drunks that clutter up A&E ....
hardly the most inspiring town to visit!

Does Southend need a new image?
A new management structure might help, this once beautiful vibrant town is now something I avoid like the plague!
You need to see a doctor, manic depression with a splash of Bi-polar, you need some meds..
[quote][p][bold]runwellian[/bold] wrote: Southend on Sea, full of road works that never end, expensive parking late on into the evening, a choice of shops available in every high street, stainless steel seating that is alway wet to sit on, rubbish bins overflowing, the homeless in every doorway, and PSO's enjoying the walk up and down the hight street, ghastly noisy so called 'musicians' begging under the bridge, ... There are lots of lovely parks that stand unused so attract the undesirables looking for a quick bag snatch. The gardens along the sea front that were once so beautiful, now just patches of dried our grass, a sight for sore eyes!. At night there are the 'prossies and drug sellers, fights and stabbings, the drunks that clutter up A&E .... hardly the most inspiring town to visit! Does Southend need a new image? A new management structure might help, this once beautiful vibrant town is now something I avoid like the plague![/p][/quote]You need to see a doctor, manic depression with a splash of Bi-polar, you need some meds.. sesibollox
  • Score: -2

11:13am Tue 12 Aug 14

maxell says...

I read the many good points, but here is my 5 pennyworth
1st we need better weather, it matters not how up or down market the aera is people wont come if the weather is not good.
2nd It would be the people of the aera that would pay for any improvements via taxes, then they may not be able to afford to visit the upmarket place they have paid to develop.
3rd When councils are accepteing overspil from the poorer london boroughs its hardly a draw for A listers.
4th As aready picked up on parking.
5th as for more tourists I wonder how they know they have flown in from the airport they would more likely be from the london overspil.
6th the last council caninet did not have a clue in my opinion I hope this new adminstration has more open minded listerning attitude, and allow back all the great things that attracted people to southend like cruse nights, and a decent carnival with out all the H&S used as an excuse to curtail. If the council wants to move with the times it needs to accept younger persons points of view not that of a 60 year old, you dont tend to see many 20 something year old concilors putting the views forward for the genarations that are destined to take over from us all one day,
I read the many good points, but here is my 5 pennyworth 1st we need better weather, it matters not how up or down market the aera is people wont come if the weather is not good. 2nd It would be the people of the aera that would pay for any improvements via taxes, then they may not be able to afford to visit the upmarket place they have paid to develop. 3rd When councils are accepteing overspil from the poorer london boroughs its hardly a draw for A listers. 4th As aready picked up on parking. 5th as for more tourists I wonder how they know they have flown in from the airport they would more likely be from the london overspil. 6th the last council caninet did not have a clue in my opinion I hope this new adminstration has more open minded listerning attitude, and allow back all the great things that attracted people to southend like cruse nights, and a decent carnival with out all the H&S used as an excuse to curtail. If the council wants to move with the times it needs to accept younger persons points of view not that of a 60 year old, you dont tend to see many 20 something year old concilors putting the views forward for the genarations that are destined to take over from us all one day, maxell
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