Family fined £120 for taking schoolboy on holiday with dying grandad

Family fined £120 for taking schoolboy on holiday with dying grandad

Family fined £120 for taking schoolboy on holiday with dying grandad

First published in News

A COUPLE have been fined £120 for taking their son out of school to go on holiday with his terminally-ill grandad.

Trevor and Joanne Cannon asked Basildon Lower Academy for permission to take Alfie, 13, away for two weeks at the end of the summer term to go to Malta with his grandad, George Mills.

The school allegedly said it was not a good enough reason, but the couple decided to go anyway as Mr Cannon is given allocated holiday dates and cannot change them.

The bus driver, of The Sycamores, Basildon, said: “My father-in-law is terminally ill and we wanted to go to Malta as he loves it out there and we wanted to have a family holiday with him.

“I’ve been fined and, fair enough, I’ll pay the fine, that doesn’t bother me, it is the principle.

“They sent us a letter saying it is not a good enough reason, but what is a good reason?

“I was told by someone if he was to die they would have allowed it, but if he had died we would not be going on a family holiday.

“Alfie is quite close to his nan and grandad.

“They spoil him rotten and he is always doing something with them and it might have been his last holiday with his grandad.

“I don’t think it is very fair.

“It was all booked up and we were not going to lose all the money, sowe decided to go and face the consequences afterwards. We got home and now Alfie’s grandad is quite poorly.”

Mr and Mrs Cannon received two letters charging them £60 each last week.

No one from the school was available to comment.

A Department for Education spokesman said the decision about whether a casemeets the exceptional circumstances requirement is taken by the headteacher.

He would not comment on whether this case should have met that criteria.

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8:00am Tue 19 Aug 14

pembury53 says...

everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks
everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks pembury53
  • Score: -58

8:03am Tue 19 Aug 14

Audioman says...

More money into the back pocket of the Headteacher.I would put two fingers and not pay the money to the school Teachers can take
time away saying thay too sick to carry on and go away on holiday.
More money into the back pocket of the Headteacher.I would put two fingers and not pay the money to the school Teachers can take time away saying thay too sick to carry on and go away on holiday. Audioman
  • Score: -2

8:12am Tue 19 Aug 14

H.79 says...

And yet others are dishonest and get their children to lie as well by saying they were off ill and get away with it as the Head can't prove otherwise, so the Government are making people realise that sadly it pays to be dishonest!

As the parent in this article says, what is a good enough reason if a terminally ill relative isn't enough?
And yet others are dishonest and get their children to lie as well by saying they were off ill and get away with it as the Head can't prove otherwise, so the Government are making people realise that sadly it pays to be dishonest! As the parent in this article says, what is a good enough reason if a terminally ill relative isn't enough? H.79
  • Score: 46

8:22am Tue 19 Aug 14

cropped hero says...

They asked to be able to take their son on holiday in term time and were told that they couldn't.

So did anyway.

More to this than we are being told.
They asked to be able to take their son on holiday in term time and were told that they couldn't. So did anyway. More to this than we are being told. cropped hero
  • Score: -13

8:23am Tue 19 Aug 14

pembury53 says...

H.79 wrote:
And yet others are dishonest and get their children to lie as well by saying they were off ill and get away with it as the Head can't prove otherwise, so the Government are making people realise that sadly it pays to be dishonest!

As the parent in this article says, what is a good enough reason if a terminally ill relative isn't enough?
someone could be 'terminally ill' for years...... this was just an excuse to go on a cheaper holiday, not visit a dying relative at their bedside.....
[quote][p][bold]H.79[/bold] wrote: And yet others are dishonest and get their children to lie as well by saying they were off ill and get away with it as the Head can't prove otherwise, so the Government are making people realise that sadly it pays to be dishonest! As the parent in this article says, what is a good enough reason if a terminally ill relative isn't enough?[/p][/quote]someone could be 'terminally ill' for years...... this was just an excuse to go on a cheaper holiday, not visit a dying relative at their bedside..... pembury53
  • Score: -28

8:31am Tue 19 Aug 14

JBrown123 says...

Why not go in the six weeks? People don't just get fines because they are going away term time.... It is not just the decision of any head teacher. If parents are fined it's because they have already had a number of unauthorised absences. The EWS are ultimately the ones who decide if prosecution is valid. It's not a criminal offence so people do it to avoid the overpriced holidays.
Why not go in the six weeks? People don't just get fines because they are going away term time.... It is not just the decision of any head teacher. If parents are fined it's because they have already had a number of unauthorised absences. The EWS are ultimately the ones who decide if prosecution is valid. It's not a criminal offence so people do it to avoid the overpriced holidays. JBrown123
  • Score: -1

8:31am Tue 19 Aug 14

Robin Reliant says...

i would say theres a bit more to this, wonder what the lads attendance record is?
i would say theres a bit more to this, wonder what the lads attendance record is? Robin Reliant
  • Score: 12

8:36am Tue 19 Aug 14

JBrown123 says...

H.79 wrote:
And yet others are dishonest and get their children to lie as well by saying they were off ill and get away with it as the Head can't prove otherwise, so the Government are making people realise that sadly it pays to be dishonest!

As the parent in this article says, what is a good enough reason if a terminally ill relative isn't enough?
Schools do not need a holiday form to put cases through for a penalty. If a child has unauthorised absences which fall into a criteria and then have a number of days out without medical evidence then they too would be fined.
[quote][p][bold]H.79[/bold] wrote: And yet others are dishonest and get their children to lie as well by saying they were off ill and get away with it as the Head can't prove otherwise, so the Government are making people realise that sadly it pays to be dishonest! As the parent in this article says, what is a good enough reason if a terminally ill relative isn't enough?[/p][/quote]Schools do not need a holiday form to put cases through for a penalty. If a child has unauthorised absences which fall into a criteria and then have a number of days out without medical evidence then they too would be fined. JBrown123
  • Score: 9

8:40am Tue 19 Aug 14

Robin Reliant says...

ours had a week out last year, even told the school, never heard a thing back no fine no ticking off, but then he has an excellent attendance record in his primary school time, some children are off all the time a few days here and a few there and i feel thats the ones that get fined for going on holiday.
ours had a week out last year, even told the school, never heard a thing back no fine no ticking off, but then he has an excellent attendance record in his primary school time, some children are off all the time a few days here and a few there and i feel thats the ones that get fined for going on holiday. Robin Reliant
  • Score: 9

8:42am Tue 19 Aug 14

Robin Reliant says...

ours had a week out last year, even told the school, never heard a thing back no fine no ticking off, but then he has an excellent attendance record in his primary school time, some children are off all the time a few days here and a few there and i feel thats the ones that get fined for going on holiday, sounds like the school reported this to the education dept, maybe enough was enough.
ours had a week out last year, even told the school, never heard a thing back no fine no ticking off, but then he has an excellent attendance record in his primary school time, some children are off all the time a few days here and a few there and i feel thats the ones that get fined for going on holiday, sounds like the school reported this to the education dept, maybe enough was enough. Robin Reliant
  • Score: -3

8:44am Tue 19 Aug 14

Eastwoodian says...

pembury53 wrote:
everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks
You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you !

Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands.

I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty.

If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it !
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks[/p][/quote]You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you ! Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands. I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty. If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it ! Eastwoodian
  • Score: 38

8:44am Tue 19 Aug 14

_Lotus_ says...

cropped hero wrote:
They asked to be able to take their son on holiday in term time and were told that they couldn't.

So did anyway.

More to this than we are being told.
Not really, the father is allocated his annual leave by his employer and the holiday was booked accordingly.

Both bus and train companies operate this way, the employees are told when to have their annual leave.
[quote][p][bold]cropped hero[/bold] wrote: They asked to be able to take their son on holiday in term time and were told that they couldn't. So did anyway. More to this than we are being told.[/p][/quote]Not really, the father is allocated his annual leave by his employer and the holiday was booked accordingly. Both bus and train companies operate this way, the employees are told when to have their annual leave. _Lotus_
  • Score: 20

8:46am Tue 19 Aug 14

_Lotus_ says...

JBrown123 wrote:
Why not go in the six weeks? People don't just get fines because they are going away term time.... It is not just the decision of any head teacher. If parents are fined it's because they have already had a number of unauthorised absences. The EWS are ultimately the ones who decide if prosecution is valid. It's not a criminal offence so people do it to avoid the overpriced holidays.
because the father is told by his employer when his annual leave is, that's why and it did not fall in the summer holidays.

Perhaps if prices were not hiked up during school holidays, there would not be half the problems regarding requesting taking kids out of school.
[quote][p][bold]JBrown123[/bold] wrote: Why not go in the six weeks? People don't just get fines because they are going away term time.... It is not just the decision of any head teacher. If parents are fined it's because they have already had a number of unauthorised absences. The EWS are ultimately the ones who decide if prosecution is valid. It's not a criminal offence so people do it to avoid the overpriced holidays.[/p][/quote]because the father is told by his employer when his annual leave is, that's why and it did not fall in the summer holidays. Perhaps if prices were not hiked up during school holidays, there would not be half the problems regarding requesting taking kids out of school. _Lotus_
  • Score: 18

9:26am Tue 19 Aug 14

JBrown123 says...

_Lotus_ wrote:
JBrown123 wrote:
Why not go in the six weeks? People don't just get fines because they are going away term time.... It is not just the decision of any head teacher. If parents are fined it's because they have already had a number of unauthorised absences. The EWS are ultimately the ones who decide if prosecution is valid. It's not a criminal offence so people do it to avoid the overpriced holidays.
because the father is told by his employer when his annual leave is, that's why and it did not fall in the summer holidays.

Perhaps if prices were not hiked up during school holidays, there would not be half the problems regarding requesting taking kids out of school.
Ultimately it's the price of holidays that is too blame. However, it's not just the time taken for holidays it's the overall picture of their attendance. Too much pressure on schools to have high attendance and results!
[quote][p][bold]_Lotus_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JBrown123[/bold] wrote: Why not go in the six weeks? People don't just get fines because they are going away term time.... It is not just the decision of any head teacher. If parents are fined it's because they have already had a number of unauthorised absences. The EWS are ultimately the ones who decide if prosecution is valid. It's not a criminal offence so people do it to avoid the overpriced holidays.[/p][/quote]because the father is told by his employer when his annual leave is, that's why and it did not fall in the summer holidays. Perhaps if prices were not hiked up during school holidays, there would not be half the problems regarding requesting taking kids out of school.[/p][/quote]Ultimately it's the price of holidays that is too blame. However, it's not just the time taken for holidays it's the overall picture of their attendance. Too much pressure on schools to have high attendance and results! JBrown123
  • Score: 7

9:34am Tue 19 Aug 14

JayRSS1 says...

Its okay for children to miss school when teachers strike. Shouldn't they be fined for these kids missing school down to industrial action?
Its okay for children to miss school when teachers strike. Shouldn't they be fined for these kids missing school down to industrial action? JayRSS1
  • Score: 21

9:35am Tue 19 Aug 14

Who_Flung_Dung says...

_Lotus_ wrote:
JBrown123 wrote: Why not go in the six weeks? People don't just get fines because they are going away term time.... It is not just the decision of any head teacher. If parents are fined it's because they have already had a number of unauthorised absences. The EWS are ultimately the ones who decide if prosecution is valid. It's not a criminal offence so people do it to avoid the overpriced holidays.
because the father is told by his employer when his annual leave is, that's why and it did not fall in the summer holidays. Perhaps if prices were not hiked up during school holidays, there would not be half the problems regarding requesting taking kids out of school.
Supply and Demand
[quote][p][bold]_Lotus_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JBrown123[/bold] wrote: Why not go in the six weeks? People don't just get fines because they are going away term time.... It is not just the decision of any head teacher. If parents are fined it's because they have already had a number of unauthorised absences. The EWS are ultimately the ones who decide if prosecution is valid. It's not a criminal offence so people do it to avoid the overpriced holidays.[/p][/quote]because the father is told by his employer when his annual leave is, that's why and it did not fall in the summer holidays. Perhaps if prices were not hiked up during school holidays, there would not be half the problems regarding requesting taking kids out of school.[/p][/quote]Supply and Demand Who_Flung_Dung
  • Score: 3

9:53am Tue 19 Aug 14

JBrown123 says...

JayRSS1 wrote:
Its okay for children to miss school when teachers strike. Shouldn't they be fined for these kids missing school down to industrial action?
If they strike because they are supporting their union then they don't get paid. It's not the teachers that fine parents...
[quote][p][bold]JayRSS1[/bold] wrote: Its okay for children to miss school when teachers strike. Shouldn't they be fined for these kids missing school down to industrial action?[/p][/quote]If they strike because they are supporting their union then they don't get paid. It's not the teachers that fine parents... JBrown123
  • Score: 15

10:00am Tue 19 Aug 14

Robin Reliant says...

“I’ve been fined and, fair enough, I’ll pay the fine, that doesn’t bother me, it is the principle."


just cough up and forget it then if you admit its fair enough, i am certain this story will change nothing.
“I’ve been fined and, fair enough, I’ll pay the fine, that doesn’t bother me, it is the principle." just cough up and forget it then if you admit its fair enough, i am certain this story will change nothing. Robin Reliant
  • Score: 3

10:06am Tue 19 Aug 14

UK Geek says...

What!!! Basildon has Schools?
Whatever next!
What!!! Basildon has Schools? Whatever next! UK Geek
  • Score: 8

10:12am Tue 19 Aug 14

ThisYear says...

pembury53 wrote:
everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks
What 'crime' do you feel is committed?

Money can always be replaced, the chance to spend a little time with a terminally ill loved one is more precious gold..
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks[/p][/quote]What 'crime' do you feel is committed? Money can always be replaced, the chance to spend a little time with a terminally ill loved one is more precious gold.. ThisYear
  • Score: 22

10:29am Tue 19 Aug 14

Mr.Westham. says...

Ironically, teachers are not forced to have 'training days' in between terms, they have their days during terms meaning every child is forced to miss out on education during those times and the teachers don't get fined...
Lets face it, they have more than enough time spare as it is...
Ironically, teachers are not forced to have 'training days' in between terms, they have their days during terms meaning every child is forced to miss out on education during those times and the teachers don't get fined... Lets face it, they have more than enough time spare as it is... Mr.Westham.
  • Score: -1

11:05am Tue 19 Aug 14

Jack222 says...

Another reason to object to Conservative policies on education.

This whole idea is daft. Now all days at school are the same. Nothing gets done in the week before Xmas, nor the last week of the school year for example. I'd recommend taking the last week of 6th grade fro example - the paperwork would get lost between schools.

Schools cope quite adequately when kids are off sick and so can cope quite adequately when a child is away for a holiday.

After all, not all parents can have term holiday holidays - but this fact is impervious to the Conservative party.

And dont blame the holiday companies - they need to make a profit, they are not a social service!
Another reason to object to Conservative policies on education. This whole idea is daft. Now all days at school are the same. Nothing gets done in the week before Xmas, nor the last week of the school year for example. I'd recommend taking the last week of 6th grade fro example - the paperwork would get lost between schools. Schools cope quite adequately when kids are off sick and so can cope quite adequately when a child is away for a holiday. After all, not all parents can have term holiday holidays - but this fact is impervious to the Conservative party. And dont blame the holiday companies - they need to make a profit, they are not a social service! Jack222
  • Score: -3

11:12am Tue 19 Aug 14

sesibollox says...

I expect this school kid has a long history of truancy and poor attendance, so how can we make this a story of difference, I know the old heart string number. Though I expect all that cash made from these irresponsible parents decisions, to remove the educational development of their children will find a good home.
Time to get my violin out of it's case, after all it's the principal don't you know..
I expect this school kid has a long history of truancy and poor attendance, so how can we make this a story of difference, I know the old heart string number. Though I expect all that cash made from these irresponsible parents decisions, to remove the educational development of their children will find a good home. Time to get my violin out of it's case, after all it's the principal don't you know.. sesibollox
  • Score: -10

11:38am Tue 19 Aug 14

Now listen for I have something to say says...

Wonder why the Echo have failed to mention the amount raked in, in the last year, from these fines? close to 50,000, fifty grand oh yes....
Wonder why the Echo have failed to mention the amount raked in, in the last year, from these fines? close to 50,000, fifty grand oh yes.... Now listen for I have something to say
  • Score: 0

11:45am Tue 19 Aug 14

pembury53 says...

Eastwoodian wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks
You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you !

Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands.

I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty.

If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it !
2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...
[quote][p][bold]Eastwoodian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks[/p][/quote]You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you ! Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands. I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty. If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it ![/p][/quote]2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids... pembury53
  • Score: -12

11:52am Tue 19 Aug 14

shoess3 says...

pembury53 wrote:
Eastwoodian wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks
You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you !

Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands.

I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty.

If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it !
2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...
And who are you to tell people not to have children? God? No, didn't think so!
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eastwoodian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks[/p][/quote]You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you ! Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands. I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty. If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it ![/p][/quote]2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...[/p][/quote]And who are you to tell people not to have children? God? No, didn't think so! shoess3
  • Score: 4

11:53am Tue 19 Aug 14

Now listen for I have something to say says...

pembury53 wrote:
Eastwoodian wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks
You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you !

Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands.

I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty.

If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it !
2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...
Im afraid to say you will be dictated to, if you decide to remove your child from school for something as trite, as a holiday, you'll also be fined.
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eastwoodian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks[/p][/quote]You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you ! Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands. I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty. If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it ![/p][/quote]2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...[/p][/quote]Im afraid to say you will be dictated to, if you decide to remove your child from school for something as trite, as a holiday, you'll also be fined. Now listen for I have something to say
  • Score: 0

12:01pm Tue 19 Aug 14

shoess3 says...

Now listen for I have something to say wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Eastwoodian wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks
You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you !

Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands.

I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty.

If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it !
2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...
Im afraid to say you will be dictated to, if you decide to remove your child from school for something as trite, as a holiday, you'll also be fined.
Did you skip school for holidays when younger? You seem to have missed the 'Comma Usage in a Sentence' English class!
[quote][p][bold]Now listen for I have something to say[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eastwoodian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks[/p][/quote]You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you ! Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands. I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty. If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it ![/p][/quote]2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...[/p][/quote]Im afraid to say you will be dictated to, if you decide to remove your child from school for something as trite, as a holiday, you'll also be fined.[/p][/quote]Did you skip school for holidays when younger? You seem to have missed the 'Comma Usage in a Sentence' English class! shoess3
  • Score: 0

12:23pm Tue 19 Aug 14

whateverhappened says...

Eastwoodian wrote:
pembury53 wrote: everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks
You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you ! Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands. I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty. If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it !
Ha brilliant,, gave it a thumbs up on the first paragraph alone....
[quote][p][bold]Eastwoodian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks[/p][/quote]You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you ! Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands. I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty. If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it ![/p][/quote]Ha brilliant,, gave it a thumbs up on the first paragraph alone.... whateverhappened
  • Score: -2

1:00pm Tue 19 Aug 14

deepblue392 says...

Spending time with family and experiencing other cultures is as much of an education as the random crap they teach you in school, its not all about sitting in a stuffy classroom bored out of your mind, only learning the specific points that are going to be on an arbitrary exam, getting out in the world is very beneficial for a child, as is building family relationships.

Fair enough, tell the school you're going away, but getting fined for it? Ridic!

The majority of parents want the best for their kids, and are capable of making the right decision, government needs to butt out.
Spending time with family and experiencing other cultures is as much of an education as the random crap they teach you in school, its not all about sitting in a stuffy classroom bored out of your mind, only learning the specific points that are going to be on an arbitrary exam, getting out in the world is very beneficial for a child, as is building family relationships. Fair enough, tell the school you're going away, but getting fined for it? Ridic! The majority of parents want the best for their kids, and are capable of making the right decision, government needs to butt out. deepblue392
  • Score: 3

1:07pm Tue 19 Aug 14

pembury53 says...

deepblue392 wrote:
Spending time with family and experiencing other cultures is as much of an education as the random crap they teach you in school, its not all about sitting in a stuffy classroom bored out of your mind, only learning the specific points that are going to be on an arbitrary exam, getting out in the world is very beneficial for a child, as is building family relationships.

Fair enough, tell the school you're going away, but getting fined for it? Ridic!

The majority of parents want the best for their kids, and are capable of making the right decision, government needs to butt out.
there's no longer any need for a holiday to "spend time with family and experience other cultures"..... you can do all that in southend
[quote][p][bold]deepblue392[/bold] wrote: Spending time with family and experiencing other cultures is as much of an education as the random crap they teach you in school, its not all about sitting in a stuffy classroom bored out of your mind, only learning the specific points that are going to be on an arbitrary exam, getting out in the world is very beneficial for a child, as is building family relationships. Fair enough, tell the school you're going away, but getting fined for it? Ridic! The majority of parents want the best for their kids, and are capable of making the right decision, government needs to butt out.[/p][/quote]there's no longer any need for a holiday to "spend time with family and experience other cultures"..... you can do all that in southend pembury53
  • Score: 8

1:26pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Robin Reliant says...

deepblue392 wrote:
Spending time with family and experiencing other cultures is as much of an education as the random crap they teach you in school, its not all about sitting in a stuffy classroom bored out of your mind, only learning the specific points that are going to be on an arbitrary exam, getting out in the world is very beneficial for a child, as is building family relationships.

Fair enough, tell the school you're going away, but getting fined for it? Ridic!

The majority of parents want the best for their kids, and are capable of making the right decision, government needs to butt out.
Kids getting bored and getting taught random crap? think yours are attending the wrong school, a real good school has happy kids eager to learn at least thats been our experience.
[quote][p][bold]deepblue392[/bold] wrote: Spending time with family and experiencing other cultures is as much of an education as the random crap they teach you in school, its not all about sitting in a stuffy classroom bored out of your mind, only learning the specific points that are going to be on an arbitrary exam, getting out in the world is very beneficial for a child, as is building family relationships. Fair enough, tell the school you're going away, but getting fined for it? Ridic! The majority of parents want the best for their kids, and are capable of making the right decision, government needs to butt out.[/p][/quote]Kids getting bored and getting taught random crap? think yours are attending the wrong school, a real good school has happy kids eager to learn at least thats been our experience. Robin Reliant
  • Score: 5

1:33pm Tue 19 Aug 14

deepblue392 says...

If your kids are lucky enough to have a decent teacher, then good for them!


Not everyone is so lucky
If your kids are lucky enough to have a decent teacher, then good for them! Not everyone is so lucky deepblue392
  • Score: 0

3:47pm Tue 19 Aug 14

chunkus04 says...

We are nit getting the whole story here. We spoke to our school head teacher last year as we went on holiday a week before summer term end, and was told that we would only be investigated/fined if our kids attendance falls below 90%. So ill bet your bottom doller this kid has had a lot of term time off which is why they were fined! If that is the case then they need to put up and shut up!
We are nit getting the whole story here. We spoke to our school head teacher last year as we went on holiday a week before summer term end, and was told that we would only be investigated/fined if our kids attendance falls below 90%. So ill bet your bottom doller this kid has had a lot of term time off which is why they were fined! If that is the case then they need to put up and shut up! chunkus04
  • Score: 2

4:25pm Tue 19 Aug 14

ThisYear says...

pembury53 wrote:
Eastwoodian wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks
You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you !

Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands.

I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty.

If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it !
2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...
You were asked what crime was being committed!

By your silence do you accept NO CRIME was being committed?
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eastwoodian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks[/p][/quote]You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you ! Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands. I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty. If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it ![/p][/quote]2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...[/p][/quote]You were asked what crime was being committed! By your silence do you accept NO CRIME was being committed? ThisYear
  • Score: -4

5:03pm Tue 19 Aug 14

wickford1962 says...

as usual mum and dad wanted a nice holiday as cheap as they could get it and used grandads illness as a convenient excuse, he wasn't going to die in the next month was he.
so sad parents are so selfish and only care about their own pleasures rather than their kids future.
as usual mum and dad wanted a nice holiday as cheap as they could get it and used grandads illness as a convenient excuse, he wasn't going to die in the next month was he. so sad parents are so selfish and only care about their own pleasures rather than their kids future. wickford1962
  • Score: -3

6:41pm Tue 19 Aug 14

runwellian says...

Perhaps the kid learned more on holiday in another country? or ....
Perhaps the kid has a poor attendance rate anyway?
Why find both parents, make it one fine?

As for terminally ill ... aren't we all going to die one day?
Perhaps the kid learned more on holiday in another country? or .... Perhaps the kid has a poor attendance rate anyway? Why find both parents, make it one fine? As for terminally ill ... aren't we all going to die one day? runwellian
  • Score: 0

7:02pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Rachie says...

Robin Reliant wrote:
ours had a week out last year, even told the school, never heard a thing back no fine no ticking off, but then he has an excellent attendance record in his primary school time, some children are off all the time a few days here and a few there and i feel thats the ones that get fined for going on holiday, sounds like the school reported this to the education dept, maybe enough was enough.
That was last year. As of Sept 2013 there are NO allowances, whatever the attendance record.

Headteachers are supposed to report all unauthorised absences now. A few, more understanding ones still don't.
[quote][p][bold]Robin Reliant[/bold] wrote: ours had a week out last year, even told the school, never heard a thing back no fine no ticking off, but then he has an excellent attendance record in his primary school time, some children are off all the time a few days here and a few there and i feel thats the ones that get fined for going on holiday, sounds like the school reported this to the education dept, maybe enough was enough.[/p][/quote]That was last year. As of Sept 2013 there are NO allowances, whatever the attendance record. Headteachers are supposed to report all unauthorised absences now. A few, more understanding ones still don't. Rachie
  • Score: 4

7:08pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Rachie says...

chunkus04 wrote:
We are nit getting the whole story here. We spoke to our school head teacher last year as we went on holiday a week before summer term end, and was told that we would only be investigated/fined if our kids attendance falls below 90%. So ill bet your bottom doller this kid has had a lot of term time off which is why they were fined! If that is the case then they need to put up and shut up!
New laws since last year I'm afraid. Won't matter what your attendance is now.
[quote][p][bold]chunkus04[/bold] wrote: We are nit getting the whole story here. We spoke to our school head teacher last year as we went on holiday a week before summer term end, and was told that we would only be investigated/fined if our kids attendance falls below 90%. So ill bet your bottom doller this kid has had a lot of term time off which is why they were fined! If that is the case then they need to put up and shut up![/p][/quote]New laws since last year I'm afraid. Won't matter what your attendance is now. Rachie
  • Score: 4

8:29pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Rachie says...

Rachie wrote:
chunkus04 wrote:
We are nit getting the whole story here. We spoke to our school head teacher last year as we went on holiday a week before summer term end, and was told that we would only be investigated/fined if our kids attendance falls below 90%. So ill bet your bottom doller this kid has had a lot of term time off which is why they were fined! If that is the case then they need to put up and shut up!
New laws since last year I'm afraid. Won't matter what your attendance is now.
Quoting myself! Sad lol

Just pointing out that I absolutely disagree with the new rules. I have 6 kids. We've always taken them out for a week a year.

We avoid SATS, exams, beginning of term etc. Usually aiming for mid June. I don't expect the school to catch my kids up. I take responsibility for that.

I only have 2 left in school now, the others have good jobs and qualifications. Amongst them I have a Secondary School Teacher and a Fireman so they're all well and have completed their education to a high level.

I shall continue our family tradition whether the powers that be like it or not.
[quote][p][bold]Rachie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chunkus04[/bold] wrote: We are nit getting the whole story here. We spoke to our school head teacher last year as we went on holiday a week before summer term end, and was told that we would only be investigated/fined if our kids attendance falls below 90%. So ill bet your bottom doller this kid has had a lot of term time off which is why they were fined! If that is the case then they need to put up and shut up![/p][/quote]New laws since last year I'm afraid. Won't matter what your attendance is now.[/p][/quote]Quoting myself! Sad lol Just pointing out that I absolutely disagree with the new rules. I have 6 kids. We've always taken them out for a week a year. We avoid SATS, exams, beginning of term etc. Usually aiming for mid June. I don't expect the school to catch my kids up. I take responsibility for that. I only have 2 left in school now, the others have good jobs and qualifications. Amongst them I have a Secondary School Teacher and a Fireman so they're all well and have completed their education to a high level. I shall continue our family tradition whether the powers that be like it or not. Rachie
  • Score: 8

8:35pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Steve H says...

H.79 wrote:
And yet others are dishonest and get their children to lie as well by saying they were off ill and get away with it as the Head can't prove otherwise, so the Government are making people realise that sadly it pays to be dishonest!

As the parent in this article says, what is a good enough reason if a terminally ill relative isn't enough?
My kids lost out on a 100% attendance award for a year as the only day they had off was for their Granddad's funeral.
[quote][p][bold]H.79[/bold] wrote: And yet others are dishonest and get their children to lie as well by saying they were off ill and get away with it as the Head can't prove otherwise, so the Government are making people realise that sadly it pays to be dishonest! As the parent in this article says, what is a good enough reason if a terminally ill relative isn't enough?[/p][/quote]My kids lost out on a 100% attendance award for a year as the only day they had off was for their Granddad's funeral. Steve H
  • Score: 1

8:53pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Steve H says...

ThisYear wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Eastwoodian wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks
You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you !

Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands.

I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty.

If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it !
2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...
You were asked what crime was being committed!

By your silence do you accept NO CRIME was being committed?
Hey, This Year, aren't you on a permanent caravan holiday??
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eastwoodian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks[/p][/quote]You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you ! Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands. I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty. If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it ![/p][/quote]2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...[/p][/quote]You were asked what crime was being committed! By your silence do you accept NO CRIME was being committed?[/p][/quote]Hey, This Year, aren't you on a permanent caravan holiday?? Steve H
  • Score: -1

9:17pm Tue 19 Aug 14

ThisYear says...

Steve H wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Eastwoodian wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks
You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you !

Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands.

I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty.

If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it !
2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...
You were asked what crime was being committed!

By your silence do you accept NO CRIME was being committed?
Hey, This Year, aren't you on a permanent caravan holiday??
What gave you that idea?

Or is that some sort of racial slur...perhaps the question phased you a little...perhaps you may like to answer it..if not.. wrap up bigot.
[quote][p][bold]Steve H[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eastwoodian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks[/p][/quote]You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you ! Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands. I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty. If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it ![/p][/quote]2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...[/p][/quote]You were asked what crime was being committed! By your silence do you accept NO CRIME was being committed?[/p][/quote]Hey, This Year, aren't you on a permanent caravan holiday??[/p][/quote]What gave you that idea? Or is that some sort of racial slur...perhaps the question phased you a little...perhaps you may like to answer it..if not.. wrap up bigot. ThisYear
  • Score: -7

10:20pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Robin Reliant says...

Rachie wrote:
Robin Reliant wrote:
ours had a week out last year, even told the school, never heard a thing back no fine no ticking off, but then he has an excellent attendance record in his primary school time, some children are off all the time a few days here and a few there and i feel thats the ones that get fined for going on holiday, sounds like the school reported this to the education dept, maybe enough was enough.
That was last year. As of Sept 2013 there are NO allowances, whatever the attendance record.

Headteachers are supposed to report all unauthorised absences now. A few, more understanding ones still don't.
sorry i was actually talking about school year, (the last school year) if they did report us then we must of got the green light as i never heard anything since, but we have a top notch attendance record and always have.
[quote][p][bold]Rachie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin Reliant[/bold] wrote: ours had a week out last year, even told the school, never heard a thing back no fine no ticking off, but then he has an excellent attendance record in his primary school time, some children are off all the time a few days here and a few there and i feel thats the ones that get fined for going on holiday, sounds like the school reported this to the education dept, maybe enough was enough.[/p][/quote]That was last year. As of Sept 2013 there are NO allowances, whatever the attendance record. Headteachers are supposed to report all unauthorised absences now. A few, more understanding ones still don't.[/p][/quote]sorry i was actually talking about school year, (the last school year) if they did report us then we must of got the green light as i never heard anything since, but we have a top notch attendance record and always have. Robin Reliant
  • Score: 4

12:35pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Rainbow 90 says...

Two words... Home School!
Two words... Home School! Rainbow 90
  • Score: 1

2:36pm Wed 20 Aug 14

sesibollox says...

Robin Reliant wrote:
Rachie wrote:
Robin Reliant wrote:
ours had a week out last year, even told the school, never heard a thing back no fine no ticking off, but then he has an excellent attendance record in his primary school time, some children are off all the time a few days here and a few there and i feel thats the ones that get fined for going on holiday, sounds like the school reported this to the education dept, maybe enough was enough.
That was last year. As of Sept 2013 there are NO allowances, whatever the attendance record.

Headteachers are supposed to report all unauthorised absences now. A few, more understanding ones still don't.
sorry i was actually talking about school year, (the last school year) if they did report us then we must of got the green light as i never heard anything since, but we have a top notch attendance record and always have.
TILL NOW....I look forward to the tripling of these fines, to hit hard, tis the only way errant parents will learn..
[quote][p][bold]Robin Reliant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rachie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin Reliant[/bold] wrote: ours had a week out last year, even told the school, never heard a thing back no fine no ticking off, but then he has an excellent attendance record in his primary school time, some children are off all the time a few days here and a few there and i feel thats the ones that get fined for going on holiday, sounds like the school reported this to the education dept, maybe enough was enough.[/p][/quote]That was last year. As of Sept 2013 there are NO allowances, whatever the attendance record. Headteachers are supposed to report all unauthorised absences now. A few, more understanding ones still don't.[/p][/quote]sorry i was actually talking about school year, (the last school year) if they did report us then we must of got the green light as i never heard anything since, but we have a top notch attendance record and always have.[/p][/quote]TILL NOW....I look forward to the tripling of these fines, to hit hard, tis the only way errant parents will learn.. sesibollox
  • Score: -7

3:51pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Alekhine says...

ThisYear wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Eastwoodian wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks
You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you !

Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands.

I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty.

If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it !
2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...
You were asked what crime was being committed!

By your silence do you accept NO CRIME was being committed?
I guess Pembury53, by his silence, just can't be bother to answer your inane question when the answer is freely available. Do your own research and learn to use google.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eastwoodian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks[/p][/quote]You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you ! Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands. I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty. If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it ![/p][/quote]2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...[/p][/quote]You were asked what crime was being committed! By your silence do you accept NO CRIME was being committed?[/p][/quote]I guess Pembury53, by his silence, just can't be bother to answer your inane question when the answer is freely available. Do your own research and learn to use google. Alekhine
  • Score: 0

6:07pm Wed 20 Aug 14

opalina says...

I do love how many of you seem to 'know' the complex family dynamics and personal constraints of this family. I'm fairly sure there are aspects of your own personal lives we could all pass judgement on if ever you have the misfortune or indeed fortune to make any newsworthy story.

The new school rules on taking children out during school time are unfair on many people. Not just causing financial problems for those on low incomes who wish to take their children on a family holiday but also on those who are not able to take their holidays to coincide with the school timetable. Nurses and police are affected as they are not able to allow staff levels to fall as well as many other organisations both big and small who just cannot allow all their staff to take holidays squeezed into a tight time schedule of just 6 weeks.

Education is not just about learning from a curriculum, its also about gaining invaluable knowledge through experience. Family holidays often include trips to historic places or soak up local cultures that are just not covered in many curriculum but can often enhance their staple education and offer incites into many other aspects of education . These should not be dismissed as frivolous excursions but perhaps embraced by schools as a learning experience in themselves which the whole class can learn something from. Projects and art and culture can all be used. Even a seemingly non educational trip on a beach holiday to Benidorm can be used to add value to existing educational 'norms' even if its just to illustrate weather patterns around the world, or create contrast landscapes between our own coat line and Spain. There is a wealth of educational tools that could be used.

Instead of penalising people who for whatever reason cant enjoy family holidays out of school term; why not embrace it and use it as an educational tool. I'm sure children would welcome it and probably learn a lot from it without even realising.

As for this family i really don't see why the school felt their reasons were not valid. A terminaly ill relative should be more than reason enough, and for hose saying you could be terminally ill for years, well yes thats true but i'm also sure if your mother or father was diagnosed with a terminal illness you wouldn't want to risk 'putting' off valuable time spent with them to a time that's more convenient for the school. My prority would be my family and I'm sorry but a fortnight holiday away from school will not damage a child's education in any extent that can't be caught up, and as I said before may even enhance it.
I do love how many of you seem to 'know' the complex family dynamics and personal constraints of this family. I'm fairly sure there are aspects of your own personal lives we could all pass judgement on if ever you have the misfortune or indeed fortune to make any newsworthy story. The new school rules on taking children out during school time are unfair on many people. Not just causing financial problems for those on low incomes who wish to take their children on a family holiday but also on those who are not able to take their holidays to coincide with the school timetable. Nurses and police are affected as they are not able to allow staff levels to fall as well as many other organisations both big and small who just cannot allow all their staff to take holidays squeezed into a tight time schedule of just 6 weeks. Education is not just about learning from a curriculum, its also about gaining invaluable knowledge through experience. Family holidays often include trips to historic places or soak up local cultures that are just not covered in many curriculum but can often enhance their staple education and offer incites into many other aspects of education . These should not be dismissed as frivolous excursions but perhaps embraced by schools as a learning experience in themselves which the whole class can learn something from. Projects and art and culture can all be used. Even a seemingly non educational trip on a beach holiday to Benidorm can be used to add value to existing educational 'norms' even if its just to illustrate weather patterns around the world, or create contrast landscapes between our own coat line and Spain. There is a wealth of educational tools that could be used. Instead of penalising people who for whatever reason cant enjoy family holidays out of school term; why not embrace it and use it as an educational tool. I'm sure children would welcome it and probably learn a lot from it without even realising. As for this family i really don't see why the school felt their reasons were not valid. A terminaly ill relative should be more than reason enough, and for hose saying you could be terminally ill for years, well yes thats true but i'm also sure if your mother or father was diagnosed with a terminal illness you wouldn't want to risk 'putting' off valuable time spent with them to a time that's more convenient for the school. My prority would be my family and I'm sorry but a fortnight holiday away from school will not damage a child's education in any extent that can't be caught up, and as I said before may even enhance it. opalina
  • Score: 6

6:27pm Wed 20 Aug 14

jonjon1981 says...

My child is home educated. We are currently in a court battle with the local council to keep our child out of school. Stories like this of schools fining parents, makes my blood boil & is why we will fight all he harder. Once they have got your child registered they are given legal rights to hold onto them, they are intent on profiting from them. They get away with anything by claiming they will help your child reach their full academic potential & you simply can't. If academic potential makes you as inhumane as this we don't want it!
My child is home educated. We are currently in a court battle with the local council to keep our child out of school. Stories like this of schools fining parents, makes my blood boil & is why we will fight all he harder. Once they have got your child registered they are given legal rights to hold onto them, they are intent on profiting from them. They get away with anything by claiming they will help your child reach their full academic potential & you simply can't. If academic potential makes you as inhumane as this we don't want it! jonjon1981
  • Score: 5

6:48pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Rachie says...

sesibollox wrote:
Robin Reliant wrote:
Rachie wrote:
Robin Reliant wrote:
ours had a week out last year, even told the school, never heard a thing back no fine no ticking off, but then he has an excellent attendance record in his primary school time, some children are off all the time a few days here and a few there and i feel thats the ones that get fined for going on holiday, sounds like the school reported this to the education dept, maybe enough was enough.
That was last year. As of Sept 2013 there are NO allowances, whatever the attendance record.

Headteachers are supposed to report all unauthorised absences now. A few, more understanding ones still don't.
sorry i was actually talking about school year, (the last school year) if they did report us then we must of got the green light as i never heard anything since, but we have a top notch attendance record and always have.
TILL NOW....I look forward to the tripling of these fines, to hit hard, tis the only way errant parents will learn..
It won't be tripled. Michael Gove and his bizarre ramblings are gone.

I will continue to laugh at the thought of being an errant parent as the plane takes off :)
[quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin Reliant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rachie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin Reliant[/bold] wrote: ours had a week out last year, even told the school, never heard a thing back no fine no ticking off, but then he has an excellent attendance record in his primary school time, some children are off all the time a few days here and a few there and i feel thats the ones that get fined for going on holiday, sounds like the school reported this to the education dept, maybe enough was enough.[/p][/quote]That was last year. As of Sept 2013 there are NO allowances, whatever the attendance record. Headteachers are supposed to report all unauthorised absences now. A few, more understanding ones still don't.[/p][/quote]sorry i was actually talking about school year, (the last school year) if they did report us then we must of got the green light as i never heard anything since, but we have a top notch attendance record and always have.[/p][/quote]TILL NOW....I look forward to the tripling of these fines, to hit hard, tis the only way errant parents will learn..[/p][/quote]It won't be tripled. Michael Gove and his bizarre ramblings are gone. I will continue to laugh at the thought of being an errant parent as the plane takes off :) Rachie
  • Score: 2

4:06pm Thu 21 Aug 14

bazza 1 says...

Schools take no account of working families now. If both parents work, as is the norm now, and have dates given to them by their employers, when they can take their holidays, it doesn't leave them with any options as to when they can go away. I don't know the history to this case so can't comment, but I do know that when I worked shift work when my kids were at school, I could not chose when to take leave. I was told when I could have a holiday. The only way to change it was to swap dates with a colleague, but most had kids and would not swap anyway. Seems like a bit of flexibility is required by the schools. They don't seem to worry when the teachers strike, or when we have half inch of snow and close the school.
Schools take no account of working families now. If both parents work, as is the norm now, and have dates given to them by their employers, when they can take their holidays, it doesn't leave them with any options as to when they can go away. I don't know the history to this case so can't comment, but I do know that when I worked shift work when my kids were at school, I could not chose when to take leave. I was told when I could have a holiday. The only way to change it was to swap dates with a colleague, but most had kids and would not swap anyway. Seems like a bit of flexibility is required by the schools. They don't seem to worry when the teachers strike, or when we have half inch of snow and close the school. bazza 1
  • Score: 6

6:41pm Thu 21 Aug 14

andy:) says...

ThisYear wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks
What 'crime' do you feel is committed?

Money can always be replaced, the chance to spend a little time with a terminally ill loved one is more precious gold..
Yes, its hard to see this as a criminal act, also a worrying point of this is that the 'crime' is decided upon not by a Judge or the CPS but by a headteacher, his decision can lead to fines, criminal records and even imprisonment..that seems an odd power to give to a head teacher who may decide to 'fine' parents for all sorts of dubious reasons.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks[/p][/quote]What 'crime' do you feel is committed? Money can always be replaced, the chance to spend a little time with a terminally ill loved one is more precious gold..[/p][/quote]Yes, its hard to see this as a criminal act, also a worrying point of this is that the 'crime' is decided upon not by a Judge or the CPS but by a headteacher, his decision can lead to fines, criminal records and even imprisonment..that seems an odd power to give to a head teacher who may decide to 'fine' parents for all sorts of dubious reasons. andy:)
  • Score: 5

8:21am Fri 22 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

pembury53 wrote:
H.79 wrote:
And yet others are dishonest and get their children to lie as well by saying they were off ill and get away with it as the Head can't prove otherwise, so the Government are making people realise that sadly it pays to be dishonest!

As the parent in this article says, what is a good enough reason if a terminally ill relative isn't enough?
someone could be 'terminally ill' for years...... this was just an excuse to go on a cheaper holiday, not visit a dying relative at their bedside.....
Oh for God's sake. Grow up
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]H.79[/bold] wrote: And yet others are dishonest and get their children to lie as well by saying they were off ill and get away with it as the Head can't prove otherwise, so the Government are making people realise that sadly it pays to be dishonest! As the parent in this article says, what is a good enough reason if a terminally ill relative isn't enough?[/p][/quote]someone could be 'terminally ill' for years...... this was just an excuse to go on a cheaper holiday, not visit a dying relative at their bedside.....[/p][/quote]Oh for God's sake. Grow up Kim Gandy
  • Score: -4

8:22am Fri 22 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

JayRSS1 wrote:
Its okay for children to miss school when teachers strike. Shouldn't they be fined for these kids missing school down to industrial action?
Excellent point.
[quote][p][bold]JayRSS1[/bold] wrote: Its okay for children to miss school when teachers strike. Shouldn't they be fined for these kids missing school down to industrial action?[/p][/quote]Excellent point. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 0

8:23am Fri 22 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

ThisYear wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks
What 'crime' do you feel is committed?

Money can always be replaced, the chance to spend a little time with a terminally ill loved one is more precious gold..
My God... wonders never cease. YOU talking sense.

Let me frame this moment in gold. I may never see it again.

Are you feeling OK?
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks[/p][/quote]What 'crime' do you feel is committed? Money can always be replaced, the chance to spend a little time with a terminally ill loved one is more precious gold..[/p][/quote]My God... wonders never cease. YOU talking sense. Let me frame this moment in gold. I may never see it again. Are you feeling OK? Kim Gandy
  • Score: -2

8:26am Fri 22 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

ThisYear wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Eastwoodian wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks
You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you !

Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands.

I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty.

If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it !
2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...
You were asked what crime was being committed!

By your silence do you accept NO CRIME was being committed?
You lecturing on crime, yet you support the criminal community that sets up home on green belt and breaks and bends the law at every opportunity.

Get real.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eastwoodian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: everyone has their 'reasons' lined up ready, but the schools are not fools and don't buy it.... the problem is the size of the fine, a friend of mine said recently, 'we do it every year, the amount saved is 3 or 4 times the fine'..... time to triple the fines and stop this criminality in its tracks[/p][/quote]You, pembury53, are a total fool - I doubt you have children and, to be honest, shudder at the thought of you being able to produce one should they turn out to be remotely like you ! Like most, I work hard and have children, but work deems it difficult to take holidays over the summer - we have no summer shut-down, and most of my colleagues also have children meaning that we can't all take time off to enjoy a break. So, my holiday times are taken out of my hands. I resent being dictated to as to when I decide to take my holiday (to which I am entitled) and like others have already mentioned, it's perfectly OK for teachers to have 'teacher training days' (what a joke) and strike when they want, which brings an major inconvenience to parents, yet when the boot is on the other foot, the powers-that-be cry foul and levy this ridiculous penalty. If there is any proof that taking children out of school for a short amount of time is detrimental to their long-term education, then I would like to see it ![/p][/quote]2 weeks a short time ? that's 2 weeks other kids have their education compromised whilst these absentees catch up, or they themselves struggle.... you have a responsibility to educate your kids within the rules, not swan off on holiday when you feel like it....... if you want the freedom and cheap holidays, don't have the kids...[/p][/quote]You were asked what crime was being committed! By your silence do you accept NO CRIME was being committed?[/p][/quote]You lecturing on crime, yet you support the criminal community that sets up home on green belt and breaks and bends the law at every opportunity. Get real. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 1

9:10am Sat 23 Aug 14

Peter 1979 says...

Tthis makes me wild. It is your own child you should be able to do what you want. All it is done for so that they know where you are all the time. Some people dont have the money to go away in hoilday times because the companys hack the prices up. If they want to go away in term time then so be it and sod everyone else.
Tthis makes me wild. It is your own child you should be able to do what you want. All it is done for so that they know where you are all the time. Some people dont have the money to go away in hoilday times because the companys hack the prices up. If they want to go away in term time then so be it and sod everyone else. Peter 1979
  • Score: -1

12:44pm Mon 25 Aug 14

KBS2014 says...

Struggling to understand why the family went to the Echo.

A) don't take kids out during half term
B) once you allow one family to do this, all the others will do the same and come up with similar stories.

Strangely enough, teachers are teachers because they care and want the best for their pupils. Education is important, two weeks off....you can miss a hell of a lot during that time.

There's more to this. Without sounding too harsh and it's not meant to be; I doubt at school that this boy is an angel- hence the reason why the school declined time off. I know very well that some schools do grant permission for their children to have time off (I.e family weddings abroad). These kids are top students, 100% attendance! no behaviour problems...

Anyway, I hope the family had a lovely holiday and the grandad had the memories he deserved. Shame he had to find out about all of this dross in the paper....he's probably feeling rather guilty now.
Struggling to understand why the family went to the Echo. A) don't take kids out during half term B) once you allow one family to do this, all the others will do the same and come up with similar stories. Strangely enough, teachers are teachers because they care and want the best for their pupils. Education is important, two weeks off....you can miss a hell of a lot during that time. There's more to this. Without sounding too harsh and it's not meant to be; I doubt at school that this boy is an angel- hence the reason why the school declined time off. I know very well that some schools do grant permission for their children to have time off (I.e family weddings abroad). These kids are top students, 100% attendance! no behaviour problems... Anyway, I hope the family had a lovely holiday and the grandad had the memories he deserved. Shame he had to find out about all of this dross in the paper....he's probably feeling rather guilty now. KBS2014
  • Score: 0

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