Parent takes child out of school to save thousands.. and ends up in court

Ivor with his children Honey and William

Ivor with his children Honey and William

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A parent facing court for taking his children on holiday during term time said it was a once-in-a-lifetime trip that saved him £5,000.

Ivor Watson, 41, of Nutcombe Crescent, Rochford, now faces court after failing to pay a £360 fine for taking his four children out of Holt Farm Infants and Junior Schools in January on the trip to Orlando in Florida.

Mr Watson admits he broke the rules, but says he will never do it again, especially when his children reach secondary school.

However, he does think parents are punished too severely while travel companies rake in the profits of the summer holiday season.

Mr Watson said: “I know the rules, but this was a once-in-alifetime opportunity and going on holiday inAugust was not possible due to the exorbitant costs.

“I think it is a very harsh law. I did it this year as in September my eldest starts secondary school and I knew if I did this in years to come it mayamore detrimental effect on my children’s education.”

He took his children Katie, 11, Jemma, 10, and Honey, eight, out of the junior school and son William, five, out of the infants school for two weeks in January.

He claims he was given a £180 fine from County Hall, which he offered to pay in installments, but that was refused and because he didn’t pay within 21 days, it has been doubled to £360, which he says he has been unable to pay.

Mr Watson now risks getting a criminal record.

County Hall claims it is following Government guidance, which stipulates that headteachers should not grant any leave of absence unless there are special circumstances.

Unless fines are paid within 28 days, the authority will proceed with court action, the spokesman added.

Andy Howe, the executive headteacher of Holt Farm Infants School, said: “I think the policy has had a positive impact on schools and us in particular because attendance has gone up and children are therefore learning more.

“It would be better if holiday firms did not penalise parents and everyone else for going on holiday during the summer and perhaps the Government can find a way of regulating that.

“However, it is a free market and firms are able to charge what they want. I don’t have much sympathy for Mr Watson as I know the impact time off has on learning."

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6:10pm Fri 22 Aug 14

JH_123 says...

You should have just paid the fine within 21 days. You would have still saved £4,820 compared with the school holiday prices!
You should have just paid the fine within 21 days. You would have still saved £4,820 compared with the school holiday prices! JH_123
  • Score: 59

6:23pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Richcarol:: says...

I think the lazy trouble making teachers that have these 1 day strikes should be fined £250 a day . Lefty horrible teachers and rules that only affect parents taking kids on holiday.
I think the lazy trouble making teachers that have these 1 day strikes should be fined £250 a day . Lefty horrible teachers and rules that only affect parents taking kids on holiday. Richcarol::
  • Score: -17

6:38pm Fri 22 Aug 14

supermadmax says...

So what you claim you saved 5 bags so what you care about £300 fine, just pay it you cheepscate ponce, it ain't bad enough you encourage your kids to break rules and cut corners to save a few quid, you are now showing them how to wriggle and worm the way out of fines.

Lets hope the bay lifts come and get ya TV and Video games, so the kids can catch up on the education that you forced them to miss.
So what you claim you saved 5 bags so what you care about £300 fine, just pay it you cheepscate ponce, it ain't bad enough you encourage your kids to break rules and cut corners to save a few quid, you are now showing them how to wriggle and worm the way out of fines. Lets hope the bay lifts come and get ya TV and Video games, so the kids can catch up on the education that you forced them to miss. supermadmax
  • Score: -23

6:52pm Fri 22 Aug 14

LexyGirl says...

I don't feel sorry for this man, he knew he was breaking rules but he still went ahead and took his children out of school.
I don't feel sorry for this man, he knew he was breaking rules but he still went ahead and took his children out of school. LexyGirl
  • Score: 20

6:57pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Calm Down, Calm Down says...

I agree with Richcarol , fine the teachers because each day they strike, is a day lost for the children. The rest of you are just being confrontational, have a nice weekend
I agree with Richcarol , fine the teachers because each day they strike, is a day lost for the children. The rest of you are just being confrontational, have a nice weekend Calm Down, Calm Down
  • Score: 18

7:03pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Calm Down, Calm Down says...

PS I think supermadmax has had a bad day or never been on holiday
PS I think supermadmax has had a bad day or never been on holiday Calm Down, Calm Down
  • Score: 20

7:05pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Wooosh says...

If he afford to take them away he should be able to afford the fine!
If he afford to take them away he should be able to afford the fine! Wooosh
  • Score: 46

7:10pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Calm Down, Calm Down says...

I think its so sad that you let it bother you
I think its so sad that you let it bother you Calm Down, Calm Down
  • Score: 6

7:11pm Fri 22 Aug 14

pembury53 says...

great news ! i hope the fines are tripled, fed up listening to their self righteous posturing, or pathetic excuses, to get these cheaper holidays... last thing we need on our holidays are a load of kids that should have started back to school....
great news ! i hope the fines are tripled, fed up listening to their self righteous posturing, or pathetic excuses, to get these cheaper holidays... last thing we need on our holidays are a load of kids that should have started back to school.... pembury53
  • Score: 4

7:30pm Fri 22 Aug 14

GrumpyofLeigh says...

Bay lifts? That's a new one (and very amusing too). Nothing wrong with teachers going on strike - a good practical example if teaching about the growth in the Labour movement, the 1926 General Strike and repression of the proletariat generally (cough cough)
Bay lifts? That's a new one (and very amusing too). Nothing wrong with teachers going on strike - a good practical example if teaching about the growth in the Labour movement, the 1926 General Strike and repression of the proletariat generally (cough cough) GrumpyofLeigh
  • Score: 9

7:43pm Fri 22 Aug 14

ddf35 says...

tbh, if i'd saved that much money, i'd have just paid the fine and got on with it. i know its abbout the principal of not wanting to pay it but least it would be out the way and it wouldnt be dragging it out . and you wouldnt have to put your kids through another echo "look sad for me kids" posed photo.
tbh, if i'd saved that much money, i'd have just paid the fine and got on with it. i know its abbout the principal of not wanting to pay it but least it would be out the way and it wouldnt be dragging it out . and you wouldnt have to put your kids through another echo "look sad for me kids" posed photo. ddf35
  • Score: 44

7:48pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Rubygirl says...

He should of told the school he was a traveller ,going away on a religious trip or taking the children back to his birth country to learn about their culture and he wouldn't of got fined
He should of told the school he was a traveller ,going away on a religious trip or taking the children back to his birth country to learn about their culture and he wouldn't of got fined Rubygirl
  • Score: 45

7:55pm Fri 22 Aug 14

mr fast says...

Ok, agree that if he does take out the kids and the fine is only £180, fair do's - he should pay it and be done. how much did he spend on the holiday anyway, if saved thousands., surely you can afford another £180. Wack it on your credit card and that's it.
Ok, agree that if he does take out the kids and the fine is only £180, fair do's - he should pay it and be done. how much did he spend on the holiday anyway, if saved thousands., surely you can afford another £180. Wack it on your credit card and that's it. mr fast
  • Score: 30

7:56pm Fri 22 Aug 14

beaulocks says...

Calm Down, Calm Down wrote:
PS I think supermadmax has had a bad day or never been on holiday
Max has had a bad life not just not just a bad day.
[quote][p][bold]Calm Down, Calm Down[/bold] wrote: PS I think supermadmax has had a bad day or never been on holiday[/p][/quote]Max has had a bad life not just not just a bad day. beaulocks
  • Score: 5

7:58pm Fri 22 Aug 14

mr fast says...

ddf35 wrote:
tbh, if i'd saved that much money, i'd have just paid the fine and got on with it. i know its abbout the principal of not wanting to pay it but least it would be out the way and it wouldnt be dragging it out . and you wouldnt have to put your kids through another echo "look sad for me kids" posed photo.
So true.
[quote][p][bold]ddf35[/bold] wrote: tbh, if i'd saved that much money, i'd have just paid the fine and got on with it. i know its abbout the principal of not wanting to pay it but least it would be out the way and it wouldnt be dragging it out . and you wouldnt have to put your kids through another echo "look sad for me kids" posed photo.[/p][/quote]So true. mr fast
  • Score: 23

7:58pm Fri 22 Aug 14

supermadmax says...

GrumpyofLeigh wrote:
Bay lifts? That's a new one (and very amusing too). Nothing wrong with teachers going on strike - a good practical example if teaching about the growth in the Labour movement, the 1926 General Strike and repression of the proletariat generally (cough cough)
You should have put a comma after 'example', if you are going to lecture about grammar, you dimwit.
[quote][p][bold]GrumpyofLeigh[/bold] wrote: Bay lifts? That's a new one (and very amusing too). Nothing wrong with teachers going on strike - a good practical example if teaching about the growth in the Labour movement, the 1926 General Strike and repression of the proletariat generally (cough cough)[/p][/quote]You should have put a comma after 'example', if you are going to lecture about grammar, you dimwit. supermadmax
  • Score: -13

9:09pm Fri 22 Aug 14

imnotanimby says...

Did they tell the Disney parks that they would pay for their tickets in installments, or the restaurants that they ate in, or the taxi company that took them to the airport? Get your priorities right, stop pretending to be hard up and pay your debts.
Did they tell the Disney parks that they would pay for their tickets in installments, or the restaurants that they ate in, or the taxi company that took them to the airport? Get your priorities right, stop pretending to be hard up and pay your debts. imnotanimby
  • Score: 30

9:35pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Canveyman24 says...

Poor man. If only parents knew how easy it is to legally remove your children from school, and home tutor, (which does not have to follow the national curriculum, spending time with family is actually a viable part of home education) there would be a lot less of this going on.

A letter written to the headmaster asking for your childs name to be taken off the register, and they must comply within 3 days or they are breaking regulations, although a lot of teachers/schools do not know this, and you have to take documentation to prove this.

As long as I still am earning a good income when I have children, they will be home tutored, avoiding all the horrors of school, including corrupt teachers.
Poor man. If only parents knew how easy it is to legally remove your children from school, and home tutor, (which does not have to follow the national curriculum, spending time with family is actually a viable part of home education) there would be a lot less of this going on. A letter written to the headmaster asking for your childs name to be taken off the register, and they must comply within 3 days or they are breaking regulations, although a lot of teachers/schools do not know this, and you have to take documentation to prove this. As long as I still am earning a good income when I have children, they will be home tutored, avoiding all the horrors of school, including corrupt teachers. Canveyman24
  • Score: 0

12:47am Sat 23 Aug 14

_Lotus_ says...

Canveyman24 wrote:
Poor man. If only parents knew how easy it is to legally remove your children from school, and home tutor, (which does not have to follow the national curriculum, spending time with family is actually a viable part of home education) there would be a lot less of this going on.

A letter written to the headmaster asking for your childs name to be taken off the register, and they must comply within 3 days or they are breaking regulations, although a lot of teachers/schools do not know this, and you have to take documentation to prove this.

As long as I still am earning a good income when I have children, they will be home tutored, avoiding all the horrors of school, including corrupt teachers.
Home tutoring would involve bringing in a tutor and having to pay them surely, that is not possible for the vast majority of people.
[quote][p][bold]Canveyman24[/bold] wrote: Poor man. If only parents knew how easy it is to legally remove your children from school, and home tutor, (which does not have to follow the national curriculum, spending time with family is actually a viable part of home education) there would be a lot less of this going on. A letter written to the headmaster asking for your childs name to be taken off the register, and they must comply within 3 days or they are breaking regulations, although a lot of teachers/schools do not know this, and you have to take documentation to prove this. As long as I still am earning a good income when I have children, they will be home tutored, avoiding all the horrors of school, including corrupt teachers.[/p][/quote]Home tutoring would involve bringing in a tutor and having to pay them surely, that is not possible for the vast majority of people. _Lotus_
  • Score: 0

5:02am Sat 23 Aug 14

tokyontroyzee says...

Tell them to stick the fine were the sun dont shine and use the money for another break.
They would pick up so many interesting topics to talk about in class ..
You bad mouth a policeman, you go to jail.
They will teach you respect, in the military service
Your parents have rights to defend themselves if provoked or attacked
Freedom of speech......and you can fly your flag outside your house without upsetting any other race........and Five Guys is the best burger joint ever(not a group of paedophiles living in your neighbourhood on benifits)
Enjoy the sun Mr Watson
Tell them to stick the fine were the sun dont shine and use the money for another break. They would pick up so many interesting topics to talk about in class .. You bad mouth a policeman, you go to jail. They will teach you respect, in the military service Your parents have rights to defend themselves if provoked or attacked Freedom of speech......and you can fly your flag outside your house without upsetting any other race........and Five Guys is the best burger joint ever(not a group of paedophiles living in your neighbourhood on benifits) Enjoy the sun Mr Watson tokyontroyzee
  • Score: -2

7:36am Sat 23 Aug 14

Robin Reliant says...

mr fast wrote:
ddf35 wrote:
tbh, if i'd saved that much money, i'd have just paid the fine and got on with it. i know its abbout the principal of not wanting to pay it but least it would be out the way and it wouldnt be dragging it out . and you wouldnt have to put your kids through another echo "look sad for me kids" posed photo.
So true.
...funny how it seems,Always in time, but never in line for dreams,Head over heels when toe to toe this is the sound of my soul,..This is the sound.

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[quote][p][bold]mr fast[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ddf35[/bold] wrote: tbh, if i'd saved that much money, i'd have just paid the fine and got on with it. i know its abbout the principal of not wanting to pay it but least it would be out the way and it wouldnt be dragging it out . and you wouldnt have to put your kids through another echo "look sad for me kids" posed photo.[/p][/quote]So true.[/p][/quote]...funny how it seems,Always in time, but never in line for dreams,Head over heels when toe to toe this is the sound of my soul,..This is the sound. . Robin Reliant
  • Score: 4

8:10am Sat 23 Aug 14

Popsiepop says...

This is a non story.

Man takes kids out of school, aware it has not been agreed by headmasters of BOTH schools and is shocked when the local authorities fine him, which is common practice.

He ignores the first fine and has to now pay double or go to court so boasts in the local paper how much he saved doing this!!!!!!!!!

Use the money saved and pay the fine, not rocket science is it????????
This is a non story. Man takes kids out of school, aware it has not been agreed by headmasters of BOTH schools and is shocked when the local authorities fine him, which is common practice. He ignores the first fine and has to now pay double or go to court so boasts in the local paper how much he saved doing this!!!!!!!!! Use the money saved and pay the fine, not rocket science is it???????? Popsiepop
  • Score: 19

9:14am Sat 23 Aug 14

Peter 1979 says...

I think this is all b**ls at the end of the day it is your kids and you should be able to do what the hell you want with them. The hoildays companys take the mick driving prices up on hoilday times. Also I agree with fineing teachers for strikes because parents or family members have to lose a days work to cover the teachers and 9/10 people know that if you dont work then you dont get paid
I think this is all b**ls at the end of the day it is your kids and you should be able to do what the hell you want with them. The hoildays companys take the mick driving prices up on hoilday times. Also I agree with fineing teachers for strikes because parents or family members have to lose a days work to cover the teachers and 9/10 people know that if you dont work then you dont get paid Peter 1979
  • Score: -6

11:07am Sat 23 Aug 14

caroljb says...

Teachers lose a days pay if they strike. So technically they are fined.
More importantly, the focus should be on travel agents who raise prices "due to demand" every school holiday. Total rip off!!
Teachers lose a days pay if they strike. So technically they are fined. More importantly, the focus should be on travel agents who raise prices "due to demand" every school holiday. Total rip off!! caroljb
  • Score: 6

11:59am Sat 23 Aug 14

pembury53 says...

Peter 1979 wrote:
I think this is all b**ls at the end of the day it is your kids and you should be able to do what the hell you want with them. The hoildays companys take the mick driving prices up on hoilday times. Also I agree with fineing teachers for strikes because parents or family members have to lose a days work to cover the teachers and 9/10 people know that if you dont work then you dont get paid
"you should be able to do what the hell you want with them" ..... what, so they can grow up and make a comment as stupid as that ?
[quote][p][bold]Peter 1979[/bold] wrote: I think this is all b**ls at the end of the day it is your kids and you should be able to do what the hell you want with them. The hoildays companys take the mick driving prices up on hoilday times. Also I agree with fineing teachers for strikes because parents or family members have to lose a days work to cover the teachers and 9/10 people know that if you dont work then you dont get paid[/p][/quote]"you should be able to do what the hell you want with them" ..... what, so they can grow up and make a comment as stupid as that ? pembury53
  • Score: 14

1:34pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

Time to take the big holiday firms to task and stop them hiking the prices up during school holidays.

I fail to see how things are suddenly more expensive just because it's a school holiday. It's a blatant rip off and the Government should clamp down on this scam.

Holidays are now out of the reach of a lot of people anyway so why make it harder for those who can just about afford it?

And if parents can't get their holidays to fit in around the six weeks they can hardly help it can they? A lot of firms won't let lots of staff off at the same time. Parents often have to take what they can get.
Time to take the big holiday firms to task and stop them hiking the prices up during school holidays. I fail to see how things are suddenly more expensive just because it's a school holiday. It's a blatant rip off and the Government should clamp down on this scam. Holidays are now out of the reach of a lot of people anyway so why make it harder for those who can just about afford it? And if parents can't get their holidays to fit in around the six weeks they can hardly help it can they? A lot of firms won't let lots of staff off at the same time. Parents often have to take what they can get. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -3

2:58pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Zoe18972 says...

Don't pay the fine it's appalling and it is the principal if everyone stuck to it they'd have no choice but to look at the policy and change it so we can as before take children out of school for a week or so without punishment. It's ridiculous if your child has good attendance and is achieving good standards why should we miss out on having a decent holiday often a lot cheaper .
Family time is important, holidays are important and socialising and travelling is all part of the learning process. and all those that say he saved £5000 so whats £300 from that to pay the fine are very wrong.
Don't pay the fine it's appalling and it is the principal if everyone stuck to it they'd have no choice but to look at the policy and change it so we can as before take children out of school for a week or so without punishment. It's ridiculous if your child has good attendance and is achieving good standards why should we miss out on having a decent holiday often a lot cheaper . Family time is important, holidays are important and socialising and travelling is all part of the learning process. and all those that say he saved £5000 so whats £300 from that to pay the fine are very wrong. Zoe18972
  • Score: -8

3:22pm Sat 23 Aug 14

stopmoaning1 says...

It looks like there are three points of discussion generated by this story.

The first is the story itself. UK law is very clear on the matter of children attending school. It amazes me that this man can blatantly sit there with his children looking all sad and say "yes I know I was breaking the law, I told my children it is ok to break the law, now I have to face the consequences I'll go to the local paper and see if I can get some sympathy. Look sad kids"
And yes I've been there with my own children, having to go away in school holidays. Despite the fact there were no fines back then I am a responsible parent and didn't disrupt their education for two weeks of Mickey Mouse and burgers. We saved hard for several years before we got our Orlando trip in school holidays.


Travel companies bumping up the prices. Well that's just plain and simple business. It's the same in every industry all over the world. Take sports for example. A ticket for the British Grand Prix at Silverstone will set you back around £180. Have the same seat a week later at another not so popular event and you'll pay around £25. Business! Calling for Government to intervene in a private business is foolhardy and dangerous. For example, I work in motor insurance. The new equality laws that say we can't use proven statistics to keep policy's lower for women drivers has meant the price of their policy has gone up to the same level as men. The travel companies would do the same, bring everything up to the school holiday level then we can all pay the same. Great.


As for the teachers striking, like it or not they are entitled. Just like everybody else in employment with the exception of the police and military.
It looks like there are three points of discussion generated by this story. The first is the story itself. UK law is very clear on the matter of children attending school. It amazes me that this man can blatantly sit there with his children looking all sad and say "yes I know I was breaking the law, I told my children it is ok to break the law, now I have to face the consequences I'll go to the local paper and see if I can get some sympathy. Look sad kids" And yes I've been there with my own children, having to go away in school holidays. Despite the fact there were no fines back then I am a responsible parent and didn't disrupt their education for two weeks of Mickey Mouse and burgers. We saved hard for several years before we got our Orlando trip in school holidays. Travel companies bumping up the prices. Well that's just plain and simple business. It's the same in every industry all over the world. Take sports for example. A ticket for the British Grand Prix at Silverstone will set you back around £180. Have the same seat a week later at another not so popular event and you'll pay around £25. Business! Calling for Government to intervene in a private business is foolhardy and dangerous. For example, I work in motor insurance. The new equality laws that say we can't use proven statistics to keep policy's lower for women drivers has meant the price of their policy has gone up to the same level as men. The travel companies would do the same, bring everything up to the school holiday level then we can all pay the same. Great. As for the teachers striking, like it or not they are entitled. Just like everybody else in employment with the exception of the police and military. stopmoaning1
  • Score: 14

3:23pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Now listen for I have something to say says...

The council could use a firm of Bailiffs and seize his car/assets to pay the fine, as well as stop any benefits he's scrounging.
The council could use a firm of Bailiffs and seize his car/assets to pay the fine, as well as stop any benefits he's scrounging. Now listen for I have something to say
  • Score: 7

4:11pm Sat 23 Aug 14

costa-del-blowfly says...

Some peoples attitude is truly amazing. When this parent made the decision to have children he knew that what come with that was the responsibility to ensure that his children would be educated. And if this was delivered any way other than home schooling then his children must attend school during term. Subsequent to when he made that decision to have children nothing has changed.

But now this doesn't quite suit him and he's having a whinge about being hard done by. He really should had just paid his fine and moved on.

For those who say that a week off doesn't impact the overall education of their children are probably correct. But how could a teacher possibly plan for a class when there is going to be two students out one week, four the next week and then two the following week etc? Also, schools would also have to administer any process to manage in term absence. I would personally rather this time and resource used on education.
Some peoples attitude is truly amazing. When this parent made the decision to have children he knew that what come with that was the responsibility to ensure that his children would be educated. And if this was delivered any way other than home schooling then his children must attend school during term. Subsequent to when he made that decision to have children nothing has changed. But now this doesn't quite suit him and he's having a whinge about being hard done by. He really should had just paid his fine and moved on. For those who say that a week off doesn't impact the overall education of their children are probably correct. But how could a teacher possibly plan for a class when there is going to be two students out one week, four the next week and then two the following week etc? Also, schools would also have to administer any process to manage in term absence. I would personally rather this time and resource used on education. costa-del-blowfly
  • Score: 19

4:48pm Sat 23 Aug 14

ORACUS says...

He offered to pay the fine on instalments its about owing money to county hall that he cant afford to pay.
He is not claiming innocents he is claiming that he’s poor.
People should be more bothered that if the court agrees with him as to his financial situation and believes the actions of county hall to be unfair it will be the tax payer that gets lumbered with the court costs.
The issue here is not is he right or wrong we all no he’s wrong its only to do with the issue of payment of a debt.
Surely causing him or his family unnecessary financial harm will cause far more damage to his children’s education in the long run than taking a couple of weeks off school.
He offered to pay the fine on instalments its about owing money to county hall that he cant afford to pay. He is not claiming innocents he is claiming that he’s poor. People should be more bothered that if the court agrees with him as to his financial situation and believes the actions of county hall to be unfair it will be the tax payer that gets lumbered with the court costs. The issue here is not is he right or wrong we all no he’s wrong its only to do with the issue of payment of a debt. Surely causing him or his family unnecessary financial harm will cause far more damage to his children’s education in the long run than taking a couple of weeks off school. ORACUS
  • Score: -10

6:29pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Howard Cháse says...

Ha ha ha ha ha!

Twit!
Ha ha ha ha ha! Twit! Howard Cháse
  • Score: 5

6:43pm Sat 23 Aug 14

mr fast says...

ORACUS wrote:
He offered to pay the fine on instalments its about owing money to county hall that he cant afford to pay.
He is not claiming innocents he is claiming that he’s poor.
People should be more bothered that if the court agrees with him as to his financial situation and believes the actions of county hall to be unfair it will be the tax payer that gets lumbered with the court costs.
The issue here is not is he right or wrong we all no he’s wrong its only to do with the issue of payment of a debt.
Surely causing him or his family unnecessary financial harm will cause far more damage to his children’s education in the long run than taking a couple of weeks off school.
But surely he is not that poor!!
[quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: He offered to pay the fine on instalments its about owing money to county hall that he cant afford to pay. He is not claiming innocents he is claiming that he’s poor. People should be more bothered that if the court agrees with him as to his financial situation and believes the actions of county hall to be unfair it will be the tax payer that gets lumbered with the court costs. The issue here is not is he right or wrong we all no he’s wrong its only to do with the issue of payment of a debt. Surely causing him or his family unnecessary financial harm will cause far more damage to his children’s education in the long run than taking a couple of weeks off school.[/p][/quote]But surely he is not that poor!! mr fast
  • Score: 10

7:31pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Now listen for I have something to say says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Time to take the big holiday firms to task and stop them hiking the prices up during school holidays.

I fail to see how things are suddenly more expensive just because it's a school holiday. It's a blatant rip off and the Government should clamp down on this scam.

Holidays are now out of the reach of a lot of people anyway so why make it harder for those who can just about afford it?

And if parents can't get their holidays to fit in around the six weeks they can hardly help it can they? A lot of firms won't let lots of staff off at the same time. Parents often have to take what they can get.
Wake up Gandy this is called good business sense, what on earth are you thinking ? that holiday companies should offer low prices during high season.. Doh.... no wonder you failed so miserably in politics.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Time to take the big holiday firms to task and stop them hiking the prices up during school holidays. I fail to see how things are suddenly more expensive just because it's a school holiday. It's a blatant rip off and the Government should clamp down on this scam. Holidays are now out of the reach of a lot of people anyway so why make it harder for those who can just about afford it? And if parents can't get their holidays to fit in around the six weeks they can hardly help it can they? A lot of firms won't let lots of staff off at the same time. Parents often have to take what they can get.[/p][/quote]Wake up Gandy this is called good business sense, what on earth are you thinking ? that holiday companies should offer low prices during high season.. Doh.... no wonder you failed so miserably in politics. Now listen for I have something to say
  • Score: 4

7:34pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Now listen for I have something to say says...

imnotanimby wrote:
Did they tell the Disney parks that they would pay for their tickets in installments, or the restaurants that they ate in, or the taxi company that took them to the airport? Get your priorities right, stop pretending to be hard up and pay your debts.
It'll be Jaywick for their summer hols 2015..
[quote][p][bold]imnotanimby[/bold] wrote: Did they tell the Disney parks that they would pay for their tickets in installments, or the restaurants that they ate in, or the taxi company that took them to the airport? Get your priorities right, stop pretending to be hard up and pay your debts.[/p][/quote]It'll be Jaywick for their summer hols 2015.. Now listen for I have something to say
  • Score: 9

11:14pm Sat 23 Aug 14

EcoPatriot says...

The state owns your children. Spending quality time with young citizens (genetic offspring) is prohibited.
If you disagree you will go to jail.
The state owns your children. Spending quality time with young citizens (genetic offspring) is prohibited. If you disagree you will go to jail. EcoPatriot
  • Score: -6

11:49pm Sat 23 Aug 14

costa-del-blowfly says...

EcoPatriot wrote:
The state owns your children. Spending quality time with young citizens (genetic offspring) is prohibited.
If you disagree you will go to jail.
it's not ownership, it's called responsibility.
[quote][p][bold]EcoPatriot[/bold] wrote: The state owns your children. Spending quality time with young citizens (genetic offspring) is prohibited. If you disagree you will go to jail.[/p][/quote]it's not ownership, it's called responsibility. costa-del-blowfly
  • Score: 4

8:33am Sun 24 Aug 14

CHRISTMAS CAROL says...

Should have just paid the fine for the sake of the children. Very arrogant man
Should have just paid the fine for the sake of the children. Very arrogant man CHRISTMAS CAROL
  • Score: 1

1:23pm Sun 24 Aug 14

ORACUS says...

CHRISTMAS CAROL wrote:
Should have just paid the fine for the sake of the children. Very arrogant man
So according to you not paying a fine because you cant is an indicator of arrogance.
In my opinion what your saying is an indicator of stupidity.
[quote][p][bold]CHRISTMAS CAROL[/bold] wrote: Should have just paid the fine for the sake of the children. Very arrogant man[/p][/quote]So according to you not paying a fine because you cant is an indicator of arrogance. In my opinion what your saying is an indicator of stupidity. ORACUS
  • Score: -3

2:42pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Audioman says...

More money in the headmasters back pocket,just
don't pay the school the money.
More money in the headmasters back pocket,just don't pay the school the money. Audioman
  • Score: -9

10:26am Mon 25 Aug 14

the citizen says...

1. If he saved £5,000 how much did the holiday actually cost. Even if it were a 50% saving then he still managed to gather £5,000 for an adult and four children for a two week holiday. Not bad - if you're only now claiming to be broke.
2. Teachers are stopped their wages if they go on strike.
3. Fines are not usually in isolation...a bigger picture of other absenteeism perhaps ?
4. As others have said...should have budgeted for the fines and only saved £4,820.

No sympathy.
1. If he saved £5,000 how much did the holiday actually cost. Even if it were a 50% saving then he still managed to gather £5,000 for an adult and four children for a two week holiday. Not bad - if you're only now claiming to be broke. 2. Teachers are stopped their wages if they go on strike. 3. Fines are not usually in isolation...a bigger picture of other absenteeism perhaps ? 4. As others have said...should have budgeted for the fines and only saved £4,820. No sympathy. the citizen
  • Score: 10

2:35pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Hawthorne says...

ORACUS wrote:
He offered to pay the fine on instalments its about owing money to county hall that he cant afford to pay.
He is not claiming innocents he is claiming that he’s poor.
People should be more bothered that if the court agrees with him as to his financial situation and believes the actions of county hall to be unfair it will be the tax payer that gets lumbered with the court costs.
The issue here is not is he right or wrong we all no he’s wrong its only to do with the issue of payment of a debt.
Surely causing him or his family unnecessary financial harm will cause far more damage to his children’s education in the long run than taking a couple of weeks off school.
I think your parents took you on holidays during term time.
[quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: He offered to pay the fine on instalments its about owing money to county hall that he cant afford to pay. He is not claiming innocents he is claiming that he’s poor. People should be more bothered that if the court agrees with him as to his financial situation and believes the actions of county hall to be unfair it will be the tax payer that gets lumbered with the court costs. The issue here is not is he right or wrong we all no he’s wrong its only to do with the issue of payment of a debt. Surely causing him or his family unnecessary financial harm will cause far more damage to his children’s education in the long run than taking a couple of weeks off school.[/p][/quote]I think your parents took you on holidays during term time. Hawthorne
  • Score: 2

5:32pm Mon 25 Aug 14

John Bull 40 says...

ORACUS wrote:
CHRISTMAS CAROL wrote:
Should have just paid the fine for the sake of the children. Very arrogant man
So according to you not paying a fine because you cant is an indicator of arrogance.
In my opinion what your saying is an indicator of stupidity.
Saved £5000 on a holiday, hardly hard up is he? Who is the stupid one
here I wonder.
[quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHRISTMAS CAROL[/bold] wrote: Should have just paid the fine for the sake of the children. Very arrogant man[/p][/quote]So according to you not paying a fine because you cant is an indicator of arrogance. In my opinion what your saying is an indicator of stupidity.[/p][/quote]Saved £5000 on a holiday, hardly hard up is he? Who is the stupid one here I wonder. John Bull 40
  • Score: 5

8:49am Thu 28 Aug 14

sammyb123 says...

A lot of the comments on here are utterly stupid and completely ignorant. If he saved £5,000.00 on his holiday, it does not necessarily went into the travel agents with £10k in hand, but managed to walk out with the £5k due to savings!

He may have only been able to book the holiday on the basis of the savings achieved and would not have been able to go had the reduction not been made. A lot of time may have been spent saving that money. Money may have even been borrowed and still being paid back. I don’t think paying the cost back in instalments makes any difference! It avoids court (further costs incurred by the taxpayer) any legal aid provided, solicitor costs if required. It’s a joke!

When holidays to Disney Florida are now in excess of 10-15k I see no reason why anyone should pay this. I have a daughter that is 2, but when I deem she is old enough we will go, irrelevant of school holidays. I don’t want to go on holiday with everyone else’s kids, fighting and urinating in the pool, queuing for food for hours. I am paying so I go when it suits me.

Getting on a plane, going to another country, socialising with other children and gaining that experience/confidenc
e is much better for my child then being stuck in a room with 40 children of all different learning capabilities and 1st languages, all requiring a different levels of education.

The systems broken and everyone is looking to cash in, travel agents, schools, solicitors & the council. The amount of money this has probably cost now is ridiculous.
A lot of the comments on here are utterly stupid and completely ignorant. If he saved £5,000.00 on his holiday, it does not necessarily went into the travel agents with £10k in hand, but managed to walk out with the £5k due to savings! He may have only been able to book the holiday on the basis of the savings achieved and would not have been able to go had the reduction not been made. A lot of time may have been spent saving that money. Money may have even been borrowed and still being paid back. I don’t think paying the cost back in instalments makes any difference! It avoids court (further costs incurred by the taxpayer) any legal aid provided, solicitor costs if required. It’s a joke! When holidays to Disney Florida are now in excess of 10-15k I see no reason why anyone should pay this. I have a daughter that is 2, but when I deem she is old enough we will go, irrelevant of school holidays. I don’t want to go on holiday with everyone else’s kids, fighting and urinating in the pool, queuing for food for hours. I am paying so I go when it suits me. Getting on a plane, going to another country, socialising with other children and gaining that experience/confidenc e is much better for my child then being stuck in a room with 40 children of all different learning capabilities and 1st languages, all requiring a different levels of education. The systems broken and everyone is looking to cash in, travel agents, schools, solicitors & the council. The amount of money this has probably cost now is ridiculous. sammyb123
  • Score: -2

2:43pm Thu 28 Aug 14

What the Hell........ says...

I don't understand why everyone gets so upset by the issue of taking children out of school for holidays.

If you are a parent who wants to do this then you know the rules, expect the fine and pay it. Lets face it, its not very much money, if you cough up in the first 21 days. Personally, I would forget the excuses of justifying why I need to take my children out and just send a cheque with the completed holiday form to the school and be done with it!

And if I was a parent who does not want to take my children out of school for a holiday during term time, I would mind my own business and keep my comments to myself, being totally safisfied that I was a much superior person than the former!
I don't understand why everyone gets so upset by the issue of taking children out of school for holidays. If you are a parent who wants to do this then you know the rules, expect the fine and pay it. Lets face it, its not very much money, if you cough up in the first 21 days. Personally, I would forget the excuses of justifying why I need to take my children out and just send a cheque with the completed holiday form to the school and be done with it! And if I was a parent who does not want to take my children out of school for a holiday during term time, I would mind my own business and keep my comments to myself, being totally safisfied that I was a much superior person than the former! What the Hell........
  • Score: -2

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