Police restructure begins today

Chief Constable Stephen Kavanagh

Chief Constable Stephen Kavanagh

First published in News

HUNDREDS of police officers are returning to neighbourhood teams this week as part of a major restructure of Essex Police.

The force is moving 500 officers out of emergency response teams and back into communities.

The change, which begins today, brings an end to the failed Essex Police blueprint which was designed to save money through an Essex wide rather than district approach to policing..

As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams.

The ten district teams will be responsible for both responding to emergencies and investigating crime.

There will also be a renewed focus on community issues such as anti-social behaviour, safeguarding repeat and vulnerable victims and tackling drug and alcohol misuse.

Chief Constable Stephen Kavanagh said: "Local policing is at the very heart of how I believe the public want policing delivered in the county. The changes we are making demonstrate our commitment to local policing.”

Police and Crime Commissioner Nick Alston said: “At the heart of the police and crime plan for Essex is the concept of local solutions for local problems, and I know Chief Constable Kavanagh remains committed to this approach.

“Returning officers to local supervision ensures ongoing ownership of crime and ASB incidents by local officers.”

New domestic abuse investigation teams have also been formed.

The ten policing areas are Braintree and Uttlesford, Chelmsford and Maldon, Colchester, Tendring, Basildon, Southend, Castle Point and Rochford, Thurrock, Harlow and Brentwood and Epping.

The new domestic abuse units will be based in Braintree, Chelmsford, Colchester, Clacton, Harlow, Grays, Southend and Basildon.

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2:18pm Mon 1 Sep 14

whateverhappened says...

SO NO MORE INTERCEPTORS CHARGING ROUND IN 50K MOTORS?
SO NO MORE INTERCEPTORS CHARGING ROUND IN 50K MOTORS? whateverhappened
  • Score: -2

3:12pm Mon 1 Sep 14

andyh says...

"As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams."

Hmm, do we have the reason here?

"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning
to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later
in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;
and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress
while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization."
(not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)
"As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams." Hmm, do we have the reason here? "We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization." (not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC) andyh
  • Score: 0

5:23pm Mon 1 Sep 14

sesibollox says...

andyh wrote:
"As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams."

Hmm, do we have the reason here?

"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning
to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later
in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;
and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress
while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization."
(not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)
Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat...
[quote][p][bold]andyh[/bold] wrote: "As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams." Hmm, do we have the reason here? "We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization." (not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)[/p][/quote]Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat... sesibollox
  • Score: 5

5:24pm Mon 1 Sep 14

shallotman says...

Case of moving the chairs around. !
Case of moving the chairs around. ! shallotman
  • Score: 3

5:42pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Kim Gandy says...

sesibollox wrote:
andyh wrote:
"As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams."

Hmm, do we have the reason here?

"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning
to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later
in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;
and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress
while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization."
(not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)
Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat...
and checking up on morons who threat to kidnap and tie women to trees.

I'd keep my head down and my gob shut if I were you.
[quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyh[/bold] wrote: "As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams." Hmm, do we have the reason here? "We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization." (not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)[/p][/quote]Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat...[/p][/quote]and checking up on morons who threat to kidnap and tie women to trees. I'd keep my head down and my gob shut if I were you. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -2

5:42pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Kim Gandy says...

sesibollox wrote:
andyh wrote:
"As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams."

Hmm, do we have the reason here?

"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning
to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later
in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;
and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress
while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization."
(not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)
Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat...
and checking up on morons who threat to kidnap and tie women to trees.

I'd keep my head down and my gob shut if I were you.
[quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyh[/bold] wrote: "As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams." Hmm, do we have the reason here? "We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization." (not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)[/p][/quote]Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat...[/p][/quote]and checking up on morons who threat to kidnap and tie women to trees. I'd keep my head down and my gob shut if I were you. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -2

5:46pm Mon 1 Sep 14

sesibollox says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
sesibollox wrote:
andyh wrote:
"As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams."

Hmm, do we have the reason here?

"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning
to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later
in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;
and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress
while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization."
(not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)
Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat...
and checking up on morons who threat to kidnap and tie women to trees.

I'd keep my head down and my gob shut if I were you.
Going to the meeting on the 10th ?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyh[/bold] wrote: "As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams." Hmm, do we have the reason here? "We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization." (not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)[/p][/quote]Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat...[/p][/quote]and checking up on morons who threat to kidnap and tie women to trees. I'd keep my head down and my gob shut if I were you.[/p][/quote]Going to the meeting on the 10th ? sesibollox
  • Score: 2

5:52pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Kim Gandy says...

"Police and Crime Commissioner Nick Alston said: “At the heart of the police and crime plan for Essex is the concept of local solutions for local problems, and I know Chief Constable Kavanagh remains committed to this approach.

“Returning officers to local supervision ensures ongoing ownership of crime and ASB incidents by local officers.”

....says Mr Chocolate Teapot himself.

Like "ownership" of the exploding caravans on the A130 that the police refused to investigate and left the Fire Service to do it instead - and then announced that it was "not arson or criminal damage because it had probably been done by the owners".. when all the time you knew d@mn well who did it because the evidence was there.

That's OK then, we can all do that when we get fed up of a car or caravan can we? Just take to the local highway, fill it with gas canisters and detonate it, endangering the lives of others as well as inconveniencing them. And then charging them through their council tax, for the clean up operation as well as the time spent putting out the fire and closing the road.

Still no answer to my question though Mr Alston. You got so far then stopped. Hmmmm.

But I shall keep on asking you until I get one. Another email to you today - and this newspaper also wants some answers but you are a little reluctant to reply.

So tell me, does your "local solutions to local problems" buzzphrase, along with "returning officers to ownership.. blah blah..." actually mean anything at all, or is it just more hot air?

Sounds like the usual trite mission statement to me or as my grandmother used to say, "all fur coat and no knickers" - in other words, all "top show".
"Police and Crime Commissioner Nick Alston said: “At the heart of the police and crime plan for Essex is the concept of local solutions for local problems, and I know Chief Constable Kavanagh remains committed to this approach. “Returning officers to local supervision ensures ongoing ownership of crime and ASB incidents by local officers.” ....says Mr Chocolate Teapot himself. Like "ownership" of the exploding caravans on the A130 that the police refused to investigate and left the Fire Service to do it instead - and then announced that it was "not arson or criminal damage because it had probably been done by the owners".. when all the time you knew d@mn well who did it because the evidence was there. That's OK then, we can all do that when we get fed up of a car or caravan can we? Just take to the local highway, fill it with gas canisters and detonate it, endangering the lives of others as well as inconveniencing them. And then charging them through their council tax, for the clean up operation as well as the time spent putting out the fire and closing the road. Still no answer to my question though Mr Alston. You got so far then stopped. Hmmmm. But I shall keep on asking you until I get one. Another email to you today - and this newspaper also wants some answers but you are a little reluctant to reply. So tell me, does your "local solutions to local problems" buzzphrase, along with "returning officers to ownership.. blah blah..." actually mean anything at all, or is it just more hot air? Sounds like the usual trite mission statement to me or as my grandmother used to say, "all fur coat and no knickers" - in other words, all "top show". Kim Gandy
  • Score: -2

5:56pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Kim Gandy says...

sesibollox wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
sesibollox wrote:
andyh wrote:
"As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams."

Hmm, do we have the reason here?

"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning
to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later
in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;
and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress
while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization."
(not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)
Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat...
and checking up on morons who threat to kidnap and tie women to trees.

I'd keep my head down and my gob shut if I were you.
Going to the meeting on the 10th ?
Why do you bother asking?

Do you plan to kidnap me and tie me to a tree if I do?

I attend lots of meetings. Unlike you I am willing to back up my statements and ask uncomfortable questions FACE TO FACE rather than hiding behind my keyboard.

The day I answer to you will be a cold day in hell.
[quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyh[/bold] wrote: "As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams." Hmm, do we have the reason here? "We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization." (not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)[/p][/quote]Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat...[/p][/quote]and checking up on morons who threat to kidnap and tie women to trees. I'd keep my head down and my gob shut if I were you.[/p][/quote]Going to the meeting on the 10th ?[/p][/quote]Why do you bother asking? Do you plan to kidnap me and tie me to a tree if I do? I attend lots of meetings. Unlike you I am willing to back up my statements and ask uncomfortable questions FACE TO FACE rather than hiding behind my keyboard. The day I answer to you will be a cold day in hell. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -1

5:59pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Kim Gandy says...

sesibollox wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
sesibollox wrote:
andyh wrote:
"As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams."

Hmm, do we have the reason here?

"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning
to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later
in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;
and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress
while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization."
(not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)
Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat...
and checking up on morons who threat to kidnap and tie women to trees.

I'd keep my head down and my gob shut if I were you.
Going to the meeting on the 10th ?
Furthermore, I was the one promoting that meeting on here the other day to the Canveyites who were complaining about travellers, until the likes of you and your alter ego "This Year" managed yet again to get the comments and the comment facility removed by your usual drivelous postings, threats and bile.

But you don't like it back at you do you? Like Cllr Cockroach, you can dish it out but you can't take it face to face.
[quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyh[/bold] wrote: "As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams." Hmm, do we have the reason here? "We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization." (not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)[/p][/quote]Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat...[/p][/quote]and checking up on morons who threat to kidnap and tie women to trees. I'd keep my head down and my gob shut if I were you.[/p][/quote]Going to the meeting on the 10th ?[/p][/quote]Furthermore, I was the one promoting that meeting on here the other day to the Canveyites who were complaining about travellers, until the likes of you and your alter ego "This Year" managed yet again to get the comments and the comment facility removed by your usual drivelous postings, threats and bile. But you don't like it back at you do you? Like Cllr Cockroach, you can dish it out but you can't take it face to face. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -2

6:11pm Mon 1 Sep 14

TheBrotherhoodOfTheBell says...

whateverhappened wrote:
SO NO MORE INTERCEPTORS CHARGING ROUND IN 50K MOTORS?
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-ess
ex-28877013

http://www.ipcc.gov.
uk/news/essex-police
-detention-officer-d
ismissed-use-excessi
ve-force

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-ess
ex-16092684

Restructuring?? is needed all right and with the way things are going and turning out
I thinks we need a new Chief Constable and Commissioner Quick ?
What a farce and I voted for him as well !
Please go back to London where your type of hard man rhetoric, blends in well with those that bode well in those parts:
Essex appears to have made a very big a costly mistake once again.
By the way stop censoring our press reports to Monsieur Channon ?
Face the music or go away ?
[quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: SO NO MORE INTERCEPTORS CHARGING ROUND IN 50K MOTORS?[/p][/quote]http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-ess ex-28877013 http://www.ipcc.gov. uk/news/essex-police -detention-officer-d ismissed-use-excessi ve-force http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-ess ex-16092684 Restructuring?? is needed all right and with the way things are going and turning out I thinks we need a new Chief Constable and Commissioner Quick ? What a farce and I voted for him as well ! Please go back to London where your type of hard man rhetoric, blends in well with those that bode well in those parts: Essex appears to have made a very big a costly mistake once again. By the way stop censoring our press reports to Monsieur Channon ? Face the music or go away ? TheBrotherhoodOfTheBell
  • Score: 4

7:20pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Sensible Man says...

A good start would be if comments about Mr. Alston and his strange choices / statements were not suddenly censored and deleted (vis a viz the Canvey traveller article on here) by the Echo. Is he SO delicate about comments - and on WHAT salary???

USELESS USELESS USELESS!!!!
A good start would be if comments about Mr. Alston and his strange choices / statements were not suddenly censored and deleted (vis a viz the Canvey traveller article on here) by the Echo. Is he SO delicate about comments - and on WHAT salary??? USELESS USELESS USELESS!!!! Sensible Man
  • Score: 1

7:21pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Avocati says...

Back to the Future............Ag
ain!!!

They should make a film about it............err, they may have to change the title!

I wonder who will get promoted out of this farce?

I'll answer that; Probably the same person who came up with the last "blueprint".

That's what usually happens I expect?
Back to the Future............Ag ain!!! They should make a film about it............err, they may have to change the title! I wonder who will get promoted out of this farce? I'll answer that; Probably the same person who came up with the last "blueprint". That's what usually happens I expect? Avocati
  • Score: 2

7:40pm Mon 1 Sep 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
"Police and Crime Commissioner Nick Alston said: “At the heart of the police and crime plan for Essex is the concept of local solutions for local problems, and I know Chief Constable Kavanagh remains committed to this approach.

“Returning officers to local supervision ensures ongoing ownership of crime and ASB incidents by local officers.”

....says Mr Chocolate Teapot himself.

Like "ownership" of the exploding caravans on the A130 that the police refused to investigate and left the Fire Service to do it instead - and then announced that it was "not arson or criminal damage because it had probably been done by the owners".. when all the time you knew d@mn well who did it because the evidence was there.

That's OK then, we can all do that when we get fed up of a car or caravan can we? Just take to the local highway, fill it with gas canisters and detonate it, endangering the lives of others as well as inconveniencing them. And then charging them through their council tax, for the clean up operation as well as the time spent putting out the fire and closing the road.

Still no answer to my question though Mr Alston. You got so far then stopped. Hmmmm.

But I shall keep on asking you until I get one. Another email to you today - and this newspaper also wants some answers but you are a little reluctant to reply.

So tell me, does your "local solutions to local problems" buzzphrase, along with "returning officers to ownership.. blah blah..." actually mean anything at all, or is it just more hot air?

Sounds like the usual trite mission statement to me or as my grandmother used to say, "all fur coat and no knickers" - in other words, all "top show".
"when all the time you knew d@mn well who did it because the evidence was there."

Perhaps the police have to have a little bit more evidence than racially prejudiced hunches?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: "Police and Crime Commissioner Nick Alston said: “At the heart of the police and crime plan for Essex is the concept of local solutions for local problems, and I know Chief Constable Kavanagh remains committed to this approach. “Returning officers to local supervision ensures ongoing ownership of crime and ASB incidents by local officers.” ....says Mr Chocolate Teapot himself. Like "ownership" of the exploding caravans on the A130 that the police refused to investigate and left the Fire Service to do it instead - and then announced that it was "not arson or criminal damage because it had probably been done by the owners".. when all the time you knew d@mn well who did it because the evidence was there. That's OK then, we can all do that when we get fed up of a car or caravan can we? Just take to the local highway, fill it with gas canisters and detonate it, endangering the lives of others as well as inconveniencing them. And then charging them through their council tax, for the clean up operation as well as the time spent putting out the fire and closing the road. Still no answer to my question though Mr Alston. You got so far then stopped. Hmmmm. But I shall keep on asking you until I get one. Another email to you today - and this newspaper also wants some answers but you are a little reluctant to reply. So tell me, does your "local solutions to local problems" buzzphrase, along with "returning officers to ownership.. blah blah..." actually mean anything at all, or is it just more hot air? Sounds like the usual trite mission statement to me or as my grandmother used to say, "all fur coat and no knickers" - in other words, all "top show".[/p][/quote]"when all the time you knew d@mn well who did it because the evidence was there." Perhaps the police have to have a little bit more evidence than racially prejudiced hunches? ThisYear
  • Score: 0

7:41pm Mon 1 Sep 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
"Police and Crime Commissioner Nick Alston said: “At the heart of the police and crime plan for Essex is the concept of local solutions for local problems, and I know Chief Constable Kavanagh remains committed to this approach.

“Returning officers to local supervision ensures ongoing ownership of crime and ASB incidents by local officers.”

....says Mr Chocolate Teapot himself.

Like "ownership" of the exploding caravans on the A130 that the police refused to investigate and left the Fire Service to do it instead - and then announced that it was "not arson or criminal damage because it had probably been done by the owners".. when all the time you knew d@mn well who did it because the evidence was there.

That's OK then, we can all do that when we get fed up of a car or caravan can we? Just take to the local highway, fill it with gas canisters and detonate it, endangering the lives of others as well as inconveniencing them. And then charging them through their council tax, for the clean up operation as well as the time spent putting out the fire and closing the road.

Still no answer to my question though Mr Alston. You got so far then stopped. Hmmmm.

But I shall keep on asking you until I get one. Another email to you today - and this newspaper also wants some answers but you are a little reluctant to reply.

So tell me, does your "local solutions to local problems" buzzphrase, along with "returning officers to ownership.. blah blah..." actually mean anything at all, or is it just more hot air?

Sounds like the usual trite mission statement to me or as my grandmother used to say, "all fur coat and no knickers" - in other words, all "top show".
"when all the time you knew d@mn well who did it because the evidence was there."

Perhaps the police have to have a little bit more evidence than racially prejudiced hunches?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: "Police and Crime Commissioner Nick Alston said: “At the heart of the police and crime plan for Essex is the concept of local solutions for local problems, and I know Chief Constable Kavanagh remains committed to this approach. “Returning officers to local supervision ensures ongoing ownership of crime and ASB incidents by local officers.” ....says Mr Chocolate Teapot himself. Like "ownership" of the exploding caravans on the A130 that the police refused to investigate and left the Fire Service to do it instead - and then announced that it was "not arson or criminal damage because it had probably been done by the owners".. when all the time you knew d@mn well who did it because the evidence was there. That's OK then, we can all do that when we get fed up of a car or caravan can we? Just take to the local highway, fill it with gas canisters and detonate it, endangering the lives of others as well as inconveniencing them. And then charging them through their council tax, for the clean up operation as well as the time spent putting out the fire and closing the road. Still no answer to my question though Mr Alston. You got so far then stopped. Hmmmm. But I shall keep on asking you until I get one. Another email to you today - and this newspaper also wants some answers but you are a little reluctant to reply. So tell me, does your "local solutions to local problems" buzzphrase, along with "returning officers to ownership.. blah blah..." actually mean anything at all, or is it just more hot air? Sounds like the usual trite mission statement to me or as my grandmother used to say, "all fur coat and no knickers" - in other words, all "top show".[/p][/quote]"when all the time you knew d@mn well who did it because the evidence was there." Perhaps the police have to have a little bit more evidence than racially prejudiced hunches? ThisYear
  • Score: -1

7:43pm Mon 1 Sep 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
sesibollox wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
sesibollox wrote:
andyh wrote:
"As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams."

Hmm, do we have the reason here?

"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning
to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later
in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;
and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress
while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization."
(not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)
Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat...
and checking up on morons who threat to kidnap and tie women to trees.

I'd keep my head down and my gob shut if I were you.
Going to the meeting on the 10th ?
Furthermore, I was the one promoting that meeting on here the other day to the Canveyites who were complaining about travellers, until the likes of you and your alter ego "This Year" managed yet again to get the comments and the comment facility removed by your usual drivelous postings, threats and bile.

But you don't like it back at you do you? Like Cllr Cockroach, you can dish it out but you can't take it face to face.
Ga-Ga Gandy...it may be that you post under other accounts but `i dont nor need to...because other than I find your ranting rather bizarre doesn't mean we are all one and the same..well not in the real world anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyh[/bold] wrote: "As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams." Hmm, do we have the reason here? "We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization." (not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)[/p][/quote]Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat...[/p][/quote]and checking up on morons who threat to kidnap and tie women to trees. I'd keep my head down and my gob shut if I were you.[/p][/quote]Going to the meeting on the 10th ?[/p][/quote]Furthermore, I was the one promoting that meeting on here the other day to the Canveyites who were complaining about travellers, until the likes of you and your alter ego "This Year" managed yet again to get the comments and the comment facility removed by your usual drivelous postings, threats and bile. But you don't like it back at you do you? Like Cllr Cockroach, you can dish it out but you can't take it face to face.[/p][/quote]Ga-Ga Gandy...it may be that you post under other accounts but `i dont nor need to...because other than I find your ranting rather bizarre doesn't mean we are all one and the same..well not in the real world anyway. ThisYear
  • Score: -1

7:48pm Mon 1 Sep 14

ThisYear says...

Sensible Man wrote:
A good start would be if comments about Mr. Alston and his strange choices / statements were not suddenly censored and deleted (vis a viz the Canvey traveller article on here) by the Echo. Is he SO delicate about comments - and on WHAT salary???

USELESS USELESS USELESS!!!!
Perhaps the newspaper realises its duty not to facilitate racist scumbags to deliver their deranged blubbering on the forum?
[quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: A good start would be if comments about Mr. Alston and his strange choices / statements were not suddenly censored and deleted (vis a viz the Canvey traveller article on here) by the Echo. Is he SO delicate about comments - and on WHAT salary??? USELESS USELESS USELESS!!!![/p][/quote]Perhaps the newspaper realises its duty not to facilitate racist scumbags to deliver their deranged blubbering on the forum? ThisYear
  • Score: -4

7:58pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Sensible Man says...

ThisYear wrote:
Sensible Man wrote:
A good start would be if comments about Mr. Alston and his strange choices / statements were not suddenly censored and deleted (vis a viz the Canvey traveller article on here) by the Echo. Is he SO delicate about comments - and on WHAT salary???

USELESS USELESS USELESS!!!!
Perhaps the newspaper realises its duty not to facilitate racist scumbags to deliver their deranged blubbering on the forum?
OK This Year. Thank You for your jolly inaccurate description of myself!!! You are of course entitled to your opinion. But I think you somewhat miss the point I was making!!!! By the way - what would be your comments on the Canvey events if you were allowed so to do?? Details of what happened can be found on a recent Echo article. A jolly strange course of events and seemingly pretty unpleasant????

Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: A good start would be if comments about Mr. Alston and his strange choices / statements were not suddenly censored and deleted (vis a viz the Canvey traveller article on here) by the Echo. Is he SO delicate about comments - and on WHAT salary??? USELESS USELESS USELESS!!!![/p][/quote]Perhaps the newspaper realises its duty not to facilitate racist scumbags to deliver their deranged blubbering on the forum?[/p][/quote]OK This Year. Thank You for your jolly inaccurate description of myself!!! You are of course entitled to your opinion. But I think you somewhat miss the point I was making!!!! By the way - what would be your comments on the Canvey events if you were allowed so to do?? Details of what happened can be found on a recent Echo article. A jolly strange course of events and seemingly pretty unpleasant???? Thank you. Sensible Man
  • Score: 0

8:54pm Mon 1 Sep 14

ThisYear says...

Sensible Man wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Sensible Man wrote:
A good start would be if comments about Mr. Alston and his strange choices / statements were not suddenly censored and deleted (vis a viz the Canvey traveller article on here) by the Echo. Is he SO delicate about comments - and on WHAT salary???

USELESS USELESS USELESS!!!!
Perhaps the newspaper realises its duty not to facilitate racist scumbags to deliver their deranged blubbering on the forum?
OK This Year. Thank You for your jolly inaccurate description of myself!!! You are of course entitled to your opinion. But I think you somewhat miss the point I was making!!!! By the way - what would be your comments on the Canvey events if you were allowed so to do?? Details of what happened can be found on a recent Echo article. A jolly strange course of events and seemingly pretty unpleasant????

Thank you.
Oh dear...you seem to have felt I was referring to you..well I suppose id better bow to your superior knowledge of yourself..


The point I was making was; the paper restricts comment on some articles knowing that the dribbling racists will jump on it with their pathological flawed minds to racial abuse people...Now if you feel you fit into that category i can only accept your membership of said group.

My view is looking at the cure the cause of the matter...not enough transit or permanent caravan parks or people getting planning permission to remain on their own land...without that this sort of situation will occur for the next millennium as it has for the last!
[quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: A good start would be if comments about Mr. Alston and his strange choices / statements were not suddenly censored and deleted (vis a viz the Canvey traveller article on here) by the Echo. Is he SO delicate about comments - and on WHAT salary??? USELESS USELESS USELESS!!!![/p][/quote]Perhaps the newspaper realises its duty not to facilitate racist scumbags to deliver their deranged blubbering on the forum?[/p][/quote]OK This Year. Thank You for your jolly inaccurate description of myself!!! You are of course entitled to your opinion. But I think you somewhat miss the point I was making!!!! By the way - what would be your comments on the Canvey events if you were allowed so to do?? Details of what happened can be found on a recent Echo article. A jolly strange course of events and seemingly pretty unpleasant???? Thank you.[/p][/quote]Oh dear...you seem to have felt I was referring to you..well I suppose id better bow to your superior knowledge of yourself.. The point I was making was; the paper restricts comment on some articles knowing that the dribbling racists will jump on it with their pathological flawed minds to racial abuse people...Now if you feel you fit into that category i can only accept your membership of said group. My view is looking at the cure the cause of the matter...not enough transit or permanent caravan parks or people getting planning permission to remain on their own land...without that this sort of situation will occur for the next millennium as it has for the last! ThisYear
  • Score: 0

8:57pm Mon 1 Sep 14

sesibollox says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
sesibollox wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
sesibollox wrote:
andyh wrote:
"As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams."

Hmm, do we have the reason here?

"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning
to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later
in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;
and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress
while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization."
(not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)
Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat...
and checking up on morons who threat to kidnap and tie women to trees.

I'd keep my head down and my gob shut if I were you.
Going to the meeting on the 10th ?
Why do you bother asking?

Do you plan to kidnap me and tie me to a tree if I do?

I attend lots of meetings. Unlike you I am willing to back up my statements and ask uncomfortable questions FACE TO FACE rather than hiding behind my keyboard.

The day I answer to you will be a cold day in hell.
Going to the meeting on the 10th ? you would fit in very nicely indeed, I would ensure your stay was a memorable one....
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyh[/bold] wrote: "As part of the restructure 60 posts have been cut, from firearms, road policing and public order teams." Hmm, do we have the reason here? "We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization." (not by Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC)[/p][/quote]Time to get thy noses back to the grindstone, and do some real work, the days of having it easy are over, time for some real pro-active patrols, not just chasing old jobs, hope they get those fatties outa their cars and onto the beat...[/p][/quote]and checking up on morons who threat to kidnap and tie women to trees. I'd keep my head down and my gob shut if I were you.[/p][/quote]Going to the meeting on the 10th ?[/p][/quote]Why do you bother asking? Do you plan to kidnap me and tie me to a tree if I do? I attend lots of meetings. Unlike you I am willing to back up my statements and ask uncomfortable questions FACE TO FACE rather than hiding behind my keyboard. The day I answer to you will be a cold day in hell.[/p][/quote]Going to the meeting on the 10th ? you would fit in very nicely indeed, I would ensure your stay was a memorable one.... sesibollox
  • Score: 1

1:37am Tue 2 Sep 14

leavingonajetplane says...

I have to say that I have seen all the changes over the past 3 or 4 years, many officer's private comments as they moan to you that they can't actually do much, and how the announcements of the Chief have little bearing on the responding officers, who, whilst decent people, have grown up in a culture of paperwork and trying to write jobs off, mixed with pre-conceptions of what is crime and how they feel they should deal with it.

There has been change in the last few years, but unfortunately this follows the deaths of women and the internationally embarassing response to violence against women and minorities that Essex Police has. In my experience, officers have no idea where they are going, or where they will be next, or what changes are next. Things are often lost, crimes written off, then the next officer attempts to do something positive to find him or her let down by the previous officer who, or whose Sergeant, wrote the crime off as an incident with no further police action.

I could say more, but as someone who was once a police officer, and then worked in Government employment for many years, I find the police have to much ability to do little genuine community policing that the public actually want, and to much Hill Street Blues. How knows, but this move may actually restore some confidence on the ground in the job done (not the individuals doing the job, who are mostly decent and honest). It is so horrible that I, and many I know, would not trust or lack to much confidence in the "policing system" that I could not recommend hate crime and sex crime victims calling Essex Police.
I have to say that I have seen all the changes over the past 3 or 4 years, many officer's private comments as they moan to you that they can't actually do much, and how the announcements of the Chief have little bearing on the responding officers, who, whilst decent people, have grown up in a culture of paperwork and trying to write jobs off, mixed with pre-conceptions of what is crime and how they feel they should deal with it. There has been change in the last few years, but unfortunately this follows the deaths of women and the internationally embarassing response to violence against women and minorities that Essex Police has. In my experience, officers have no idea where they are going, or where they will be next, or what changes are next. Things are often lost, crimes written off, then the next officer attempts to do something positive to find him or her let down by the previous officer who, or whose Sergeant, wrote the crime off as an incident with no further police action. I could say more, but as someone who was once a police officer, and then worked in Government employment for many years, I find the police have to much ability to do little genuine community policing that the public actually want, and to much Hill Street Blues. How knows, but this move may actually restore some confidence on the ground in the job done (not the individuals doing the job, who are mostly decent and honest). It is so horrible that I, and many I know, would not trust or lack to much confidence in the "policing system" that I could not recommend hate crime and sex crime victims calling Essex Police. leavingonajetplane
  • Score: 0

5:56am Wed 3 Sep 14

Navajo wife says...

Leavingonajetplane. I enjoyed your comment so much. I won't pretend to know how your police dept. is run over there, but I'm sure glad ours is not like that. No, we are not perfect of course, but I cannot believe how yours is operated. We MUST investigate all crimes, big or small.Well, no crime is small to the victim.We HAVE TO write a report on everything that happens on our watch.It may seem insignificant to civilians, but that's how cases are made. The public can call the Chiefs office even.From your comment, no wonder everything is in such a mess.Seems like your leaders need toregroup, maybe hit the streets themselves for a bit and see what really goes on.Ours are on top of everything, always, thank goodness.
Leavingonajetplane. I enjoyed your comment so much. I won't pretend to know how your police dept. is run over there, but I'm sure glad ours is not like that. No, we are not perfect of course, but I cannot believe how yours is operated. We MUST investigate all crimes, big or small.Well, no crime is small to the victim.We HAVE TO write a report on everything that happens on our watch.It may seem insignificant to civilians, but that's how cases are made. The public can call the Chiefs office even.From your comment, no wonder everything is in such a mess.Seems like your leaders need toregroup, maybe hit the streets themselves for a bit and see what really goes on.Ours are on top of everything, always, thank goodness. Navajo wife
  • Score: 0

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