So Basildon gets to take everyone in while Southend doesn't?

And that decision is being supported by David Garston, executive councillor for sustainable Southend? I bet it is!

So by living and squatting illegally the travellers have essentially forced councils to accomodate them? That doesn't seem right.

What a disgraceful mess this has all become.

Kim, over to you :)

Good idea how about
The Maplin Sands?

There's 200-odd acres of fields just outside Wakering, not being used (recently sold for development actually, but not to travellers hence the lack of fuss).

Why can't some of them live there for example?

Every council is obliged to provide places for travellers to stop - by law.

If we insist on the travellers adhering to the law, as of course we should, then we should also insist on councils upholding their legal obligations too.

If any one council does not do this then there will logically be a surfeit of travellers elsewhere, and we know what sort of reaction that provokes! :0

Cue the rant...

I'm in England on holiday from America, could you tell me why these people have to be provided with land.

So once again southend council whinge that they dont have any space to house traveller sites in their area, is this the same southend council that 15/20 years ago wanted to let the goverment of the day build an airport on foulness with a highspeed rail link to barking. they also said that they had no space to build a waste site too. beware southend people do have long memories and are not stupid.

Doug wrote:
There's 200-odd acres of fields just outside Wakering, not being used (recently sold for development actually, but not to travellers hence the lack of fuss). Why can't some of them live there for example? Every council is obliged to provide places for travellers to stop - by law. If we insist on the travellers adhering to the law, as of course we should, then we should also insist on councils upholding their legal obligations too. If any one council does not do this then there will logically be a surfeit of travellers elsewhere, and we know what sort of reaction that provokes! :0 Cue the rant...

I totally agree with you Doug, again. If there are councils that do not adhere to the law as they expect the travellers and everyone else to do then the travellers should be taking them to court and seeing how they like that. Southend as a whole has many places they can allow them to live. Look at all the land that is sold of to private developers to build the eyesores they call upmarket apartments on. Oh and while I am at it, what about the guy who brought the greenebelt land recently? He says that he may apply for planning permission, does this not contravene the law?

Steve wrote:
I'm in England on holiday from America, could you tell me why these people have to be provided with land.

steve from america: i live here and i dont even know why they provide these people with land. we are well know for doing the most stupidest of things in this country :)

"........."


That was the sound of any chance Basildon Council had of me paying council tax flying out the window


I should just break into any house I fancy, and refuse to leave, claiming that Basildon Council HAVE to find me somewhere else

Quite often you see these "traveller" types on two tree island and i think it is outrageous. They live like animals, and destroy wherever they "visit". Not only the eyesore is enough though they bring a "vanload" of crime with them aswell.

Basildon Billy wrote:
"........." That was the sound of any chance Basildon Council had of me paying council tax flying out the window I should just break into any house I fancy, and refuse to leave, claiming that Basildon Council HAVE to find me somewhere else

Admirable sentiments, William, but I'm pretty sure the law doesn't extend to burglars and squatters. Sorry. :)

What a complete joke. The East of England regional authority should be shot.

2 options:

1 Basildon forced to make 157 extra 'legal' traveller sites.

Option 2 Basildon forced to make 95 extre 'legal' traveller sites.

Where is the justice ?

Oh, but it does.

Doug wrote Admirable sentiments, William, but I'm pretty sure the law doesn't extend to burglars and squatters. Sorry.

What are these "travellers" if they are not squatters.

The East of England Regional Assembly is yet ANOTHER UNELECTED quango paid for out of our taxes.

Have you seen what their executives get paid?

My suggestion is this - find out where all these EERA fatcats live and dump traveller sites on THEIR doorsteps.

Oh but silly me, I forgot, the Noble Do-Gooder of Wakering is offering land around Wakering.

Has he consulted his neighbours on this or is this, as usual, a unilateral decision?

And our lovely acquiescent Lisa agreeing with him wholeheartedly AGAIN. (Does she ever DISagree?)

Well I suppose these minorities HAVE to stick together don't they?

As for the person on holiday from America, these people have not been GIVEN the land, if you refer to Crays Hill. They actually OWN it. However, they have built on it ILLEGALLY as it is classified as GREEN BELT.

Nobody else is allowed to do this of course, ESCPECIALLY not the registered GENUINE homeless of Basildon, nor anybody else.

These people have homes elsewhere as the Echo's exhaustive investigations have found.

Far from being poor, they are cash-rich, indulging as they do, in all sorts of "activities", most notably to do with illegal sofas and no doubt, other "business interests" including turning up on your doorstep and saying "You DO want your drive/roof/patio fixed, DON'T YOU???.

They drive expensive cars, they all have mobile phones, some wear expensive designer jewellery and some of the single mothers ON BENEFIT, on their own admission to me, attend the tanning parlour and hairdresser's twice a week.

I can't even afford that and I actually WORK for a living.

You see, this country, under B'liar's government, is an open door for all sorts of dubious people. They get handouts from the state at the expense of the English taxpayer and their criminal activities are overlooked.

You need to go into the whole history of life under the B'liar government to fully understand.

I live here and I'm damned if I understand it all.

Rant over!

"ESCPECIALLY" Ooops, sorry. Over-zealous rant = occasional typo!

Doug wrote:
There's 200-odd acres of fields just outside Wakering, not being used (recently sold for development actually, but not to travellers hence the lack of fuss). Why can't some of them live there for example? Every council is obliged to provide places for travellers to stop - by law. If we insist on the travellers adhering to the law, as of course we should, then we should also insist on councils upholding their legal obligations too. If any one council does not do this then there will logically be a surfeit of travellers elsewhere, and we know what sort of reaction that provokes! :0 Cue the rant...

"Every council is obliged to provide places for travellers to stop - by law."

Just for info - the Tory Government got rid of the duty on councils to provide sites for travellers in 1994.

This decision is largely blamed for causing the problems today with unauthorised sites because of lack of legal provision.

Billericay MP John Baron tried to bring in his own bill to force councils to provide sites again in 2003, along with tougher powers against illegal sites, but it did not get through Parliament. The consultation mentioned in this story is about brining the obligation back, but I do not think it will be a law.

Jon, I thought that obligation had been restored since the Tories nixed it? In about 2004, Human Rights Act? Apologies if I got the facts wrong, and thanks for correcting me.

Now I feel like writing half a page of utter nonsense using RANDOM CAPITALS and sub-school-playground insults while actually stating ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of any positive use to the world. I am then going to pepper my response with POINTLESS NAUSEOUS AND CHILDISH STEREOTYPES thus proving me to be a sad WASTE of OXYGEN. Nyah. :)

Now the Echo, as I pointed out before, has not actually found any evidence at all that the Dale Farm travellers (yes, her obsession continues, and so do her lies) own homes abroad. Reading the story properly - or "doing your homework" if you prefer - would show that at no point does the story say they definitely own homes abroad. So Gandy is, as ever, peddling half-truths and innuendo to back up her repetitive intolerant nauseating posts. You're a severely bitter and twisted person (and I use the word "person" advisedly, and while wearing protective clothing). You need help, Kim. Seriously.

What about the Goodwin Sands

Send them to Mayland where they can all live happily ever after with the 'Painter'

Or, to quote an elected official of this fair land:

"You are a smart ar5e with a big mouth and no idea of the real world and you need to manage your paranoia carefully before you start believing in your own propaganda."

Sums it up rather well, I think.

This government should clamp down on these low life scum just as the Irish govt has (hence the reason many have turned up in the uk). There should be no obligation on any council to provide sites for these people. If I had voulntarily made myself homeless or rented my house out and gone to another country or region and tried to get assisitance it would not be forthcoming. So why should they.
There are a few genuine Romany people, alot less than people imagine. The rest are just spongers who play the system and leave mess, crime and destruction behind them.

Come on now people why not all be good citizens and have a caravan each in our gardens

Sorry, but when did being a "do-gooder" become a bad thing? There does seem to be a sufficient amount of land in the Southend and surrounding areas that are conveniently "discovered" when the big-boy corporate builders and their mates at the council need it...
I wish people would look at stories/reports in their entirety - when the Dale Farm travellers said they would move to a legal site in Pitsea, a 5000 name petition was submitted by the locals and the move never happened. Someone "offers" land around Wakering and is slated for it! I have to say to CityBoy (if that really is you posting) that I am more than surprised at your "pikeys" and "trash" comments. I hope too that KG is as zealous when "exposing" ALL single mothers on BENEFIT that get under a sun-bed occasionally or get their hair done (whilst wearing "desgner" jewellery??!!)...

It's confusing when people complain about the "real" travellers moving on and leaving rubbish etc strewn behind (as Alpha states above)that the taxpayer has to pay to clear up and then state that they don't want them on legal/illegal sites, in one place, where they could be held responsible for their own "mess" etc...

Well I offered, Gail... the land near my village even has planning permission.

Not good enough for some people though - they want to argue we don't have it in our back yard so our comments aren't valid, but they also don't want us to actually see real travellers because then we'd see through their lies. Life can be so confusing when you're that bitter, I assume.

Fortunately not everyone on here has made such a failure of their life that they feel they have to come on and act like a bipolar teenager on PCP.

:)

Right thats it,no more P.C.P. for me; it will be Lithium all the way now.I have never been so insulted in all my life.What an awful comparison.;)

A Bipolar Teenager on P.C.P. wrote:
<b> Right thats it,no more P.C.P. for me; it will be Lithium all the way now.I have never been so insulted in all my life.What an awful comparison.;)</b>

You don't need to go to such extremes.

If you want to excuse really bad anti-social behaviour just say you have ADHD!

It works a treat!

Come on baby, dooo the locomotion...

Travellers debates - results so far:

The Noble Do-Gooder and admirer (2)

The rest of the country (56,000,000)

Common sense prevails.

Who's the "admirer"?

Where's the "debate"? Can't wait to read the other 55,999,999 posts.

tina wrote:

Steve wrote: I'm in England on holiday from America, could you tell me why these people have to be provided with land.

steve from america: i live here and i dont even know why they provide these people with land. we are well know for doing the most stupidest of things in this country :)

For christ sake what is the problem here? If like doug says the goverment/council whoever have a legal obligation to give land for travellers to live on then that is what needs to be done, not just by law, but also to save face... For the chap on holiday, don't take all that KG said as gospel, I would think that she is happy to be able to rant to someone like you who isn't in the loop as such, you don't know any better and will take on what she says. A lot of it is not correct. Not all single parents are on benefit, not all of them live on Dale farm and not everyone who lives on Dale farm is rich, owns expensive cars. Kg is right in saying that they own the land, they purchased it fair and square, the point is you can not build on greenbelt land, no one can build on greenbelt land, so why is the chap who brought land last week saying that he will obtain permission to build on his? Because he is not a traveller I would say.
Oh and yes I do usually agree with Doug, he speaks sense, doesn't repeat himself all the time and is not a bitter, twisted bigot like some.

tina wrote:

Steve wrote: I'm in England on holiday from America, could you tell me why these people have to be provided with land.

steve from america: i live here and i dont even know why they provide these people with land. we are well know for doing the most stupidest of things in this country :)

For christ sake what is the problem here? If like doug says the goverment/council whoever have a legal obligation to give land for travellers to live on then that is what needs to be done, not just by law, but also to save face... For the chap on holiday, don't take all that KG said as gospel, I would think that she is happy to be able to rant to someone like you who isn't in the loop as such, you don't know any better and will take on what she says. A lot of it is not correct. Not all single parents are on benefit, not all of them live on Dale farm and not everyone who lives on Dale farm is rich, owns expensive cars. Kg is right in saying that they own the land, they purchased it fair and square, the point is you can not build on greenbelt land, no one can build on greenbelt land, so why is the chap who brought land last week saying that he will obtain permission to build on his? Because he is not a traveller I would say.
Oh and yes I do usually agree with Doug, he speaks sense, doesn't repeat himself all the time and is not a bitter, twisted bigot like some.

Yes, but why do they have a legal obligation to give these people land? Who else do they give land to?

Steve wrote:
Yes, but why do they have a legal obligation to give these people land? Who else do they give land to?

Jugglers, astronauts, Jake the Peg (with his extra leg diddle iddle iddle um), and any sheep that can do the Times cryptic crossword.

As far as I know.

The Vicar wrote:

A Bipolar Teenager on P.C.P. wrote: <b> Right thats it,no more P.C.P. for me; it will be Lithium all the way now.I have never been so insulted in all my life.What an awful comparison.;)</b>

You don't need to go to such extremes. If you want to excuse really bad anti-social behaviour just say you have ADHD! It works a treat!

ADHD? Is that another way of saying cr@p diet and even cr@pper parenting?;)

Lisa Jensen wrote:

tina wrote:

Steve wrote: I'm in England on holiday from America, could you tell me why these people have to be provided with land.

steve from america: i live here and i dont even know why they provide these people with land. we are well know for doing the most stupidest of things in this country :)

For christ sake what is the problem here? If like doug says the goverment/council whoever have a legal obligation to give land for travellers to live on then that is what needs to be done, not just by law, but also to save face... For the chap on holiday, don't take all that KG said as gospel, I would think that she is happy to be able to rant to someone like you who isn't in the loop as such, you don't know any better and will take on what she says. A lot of it is not correct. Not all single parents are on benefit, not all of them live on Dale farm and not everyone who lives on Dale farm is rich, owns expensive cars. Kg is right in saying that they own the land, they purchased it fair and square, the point is you can not build on greenbelt land, no one can build on greenbelt land, so why is the chap who brought land last week saying that he will obtain permission to build on his? Because he is not a traveller I would say. Oh and yes I do usually agree with Doug, he speaks sense, doesn't repeat himself all the time and is not a bitter, twisted bigot like some.

i noticed that my comment was here, i do hope that you wasnt calling me a bitter twisted biggot (i thought we were mates lisa) :(

Tina,she probably remembers you on another post where you said you voted for the B.N.P.

A Bipolar Teenager on P.C.P. wrote:
Tina,she probably remembers you on another post where you said you voted for the B.N.P.

good grief that was ages ago and i didnt vote for them coz we didnt have one in our area :)

tina wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

tina wrote:

Steve wrote: I'm in England on holiday from America, could you tell me why these people have to be provided with land.

steve from america: i live here and i dont even know why they provide these people with land. we are well know for doing the most stupidest of things in this country :)

For christ sake what is the problem here? If like doug says the goverment/council whoever have a legal obligation to give land for travellers to live on then that is what needs to be done, not just by law, but also to save face... For the chap on holiday, don't take all that KG said as gospel, I would think that she is happy to be able to rant to someone like you who isn't in the loop as such, you don't know any better and will take on what she says. A lot of it is not correct. Not all single parents are on benefit, not all of them live on Dale farm and not everyone who lives on Dale farm is rich, owns expensive cars. Kg is right in saying that they own the land, they purchased it fair and square, the point is you can not build on greenbelt land, no one can build on greenbelt land, so why is the chap who brought land last week saying that he will obtain permission to build on his? Because he is not a traveller I would say. Oh and yes I do usually agree with Doug, he speaks sense, doesn't repeat himself all the time and is not a bitter, twisted bigot like some.

i noticed that my comment was here, i do hope that you wasnt calling me a bitter twisted biggot (i thought we were mates lisa) :(

My apologies, that wasn't meant to be there. I may not agree with your political leaning but you are proving to be a very funny alli.... Sorry love.

phew for one min there i thought that our tent party with the vicar and our habits was off :)

once i am in that tent my habit will be off.....

LISA have you read what bored has said about me you and the vicar on the swingers artical yet? :) :)

Talking of bored can you PLEASE stop with all the swinging/habit
"jokes"?They are unfunny and puerile and it is BORING.
You will drive me back to taking P.C.P.

A Bipolar Teenager on P.C.P. wrote:
Talking of bored can you PLEASE stop with all the swinging/habit "jokes"?They are unfunny and puerile and it is BORING. You will drive me back to taking P.C.P.

as i said to bored, if you dont like reading them then dont read them, and what the hell is P.C.P

anyway the more you tell me not to go on about something the more i will do it coz i know it winds you up. that is to the polar bear teenager with the problem

tina wrote:
anyway the more you tell me not to go on about something the more i will do it coz i know it winds you up. that is to the polar bear teenager with the problem

How funny, bipolar, not polar bear.... No I havent I have been busy.. I will have a look later though. He's just jealous...

Peurile Crappy Post's.
Yours.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

tina wrote: anyway the more you tell me not to go on about something the more i will do it coz i know it winds you up. that is to the polar bear teenager with the problem

How funny, bipolar, not polar bear.... No I havent I have been busy.. I will have a look later though. He's just jealous...

thats what the vicar said. iv just read your comment about trevor didnt know you knew him, sorry about your loss i know how it feels i lost my mate shirley the one who got murdered a couple of months ago, havent even had the funeral yet x x

A Bipolar Teenager back on P.C.P. wrote:
Peurile Crappy Post's. Yours.

ha ha very funny and to think i was starting to feel sorry for you :)

tina wrote:
anyway the more you tell me not to go on about something the more i will do it coz i know it winds you up. that is to the polar bear teenager with the problem

Is it not past your bedtime?

A Bipolar Teenager back on P.C.P. wrote:

tina wrote: anyway the more you tell me not to go on about something the more i will do it coz i know it winds you up. that is to the polar bear teenager with the problem

Is it not past your bedtime?

what at the age of 45 i dont think so do you, now i really dont feel sorry for you :)

Tina have you not guessed who this is yet?:)x

Bipolar Teenager on P.C.P wrote:
Tina have you not guessed who this is yet?:)x

no please tell me cos now its going to annoy me please please :)

x x x x x x x x x x x

Melody wrote:
x x x x x x x x x x x

you little cow iv just phoned round all the teenagers that i know (and that is loads) where have you been all week and where did that name bipolar come from :)x

Hello hon,the bipolar bit was a response to Doug and Kims posts earlier on this thread.I have had a really busy week,hope all is well with you and yours.:) x

melody wrote:
Hello hon,the bipolar bit was a response to Doug and Kims posts earlier on this thread.I have had a really busy week,hope all is well with you and yours.:) x

yeah all fine,we had alot of fun in the week with a story about a swingers place and we are all trying to get one of our own made up ha ha we all got on really well that night , and someone said that a happy cloud must have gone over essex as there was no argueing it was all just a really good laugh, you will have to read it, me lisa and the vicar managed to get one persons bach up though but tough x x

off to the land of nod now nite nite everyone, lets see what tomorrows news brings us all x.x.

BURN THE LOT OF THEM OUT.

BURN THE LOT OF THEM OUT.

paddyman wrote:
BURN THE LOT OF THEM OUT.

been out for the night, got **** and worked out how to use your keyboard? If you can't put anything with a slight modicum of intelligence then why bother?

Doug wrote:

Steve wrote: Yes, but why do they have a legal obligation to give these people land? Who else do they give land to?

Jugglers, astronauts, Jake the Peg (with his extra leg diddle iddle iddle um), and any sheep that can do the Times cryptic crossword. As far as I know.

Steve, they don't give land to anyone else, that is a typical Doug non-answer. These "travellers" do not need these official sites now because they do not travel around and they can afford to buy or rent a house, if they need to go further afield for work they can use a car like everyone else has to. I have to travel around in my job but I use a car and stay in hotels if I have to be away from home for a while, while my family stays at home, just as they do in America. The way this situation has been allowed to get out of hand is just another example of Blair's incompetence.

The Noble Do-Gooder wrote:
Or, to quote an elected official of this fair land: "You are a smart ar5e with a big mouth and no idea of the real world and you need to manage your paranoia carefully before you start believing in your own propaganda." Sums it up rather well, I think.

Yes and that comment came from an official with a record for insulting members of the public and is currently the subject of an ongoing Standards Board investigation.

So shut up you fool. Did anybody ever tell you not to discuss ongoing legal actions?

You really do open mouth before engaging brain don't you?

Kim Gandy wrote:

The Noble Do-Gooder wrote: Or, to quote an elected official of this fair land: "You are a smart ar5e with a big mouth and no idea of the real world and you need to manage your paranoia carefully before you start believing in your own propaganda." Sums it up rather well, I think.

Yes and that comment came from an official with a record for insulting members of the public and is currently the subject of an ongoing Standards Board investigation. So shut up you fool. Did anybody ever tell you not to discuss ongoing legal actions? You really do open mouth before engaging brain don't you?

You really do need to stop talking to yourself Kim, don't you dare call Doug a fool or tell him to shut up. How rude can you person be? He is not a fool in the slightest, rather an intelligent man who backs up his posts with FACTS whenever needed, something I have yet to see you do. As for engaging his brain, when was the last time you did that before wittering on and leaving nasty posts?

I think you will find Kim that the above quote is on a link that anyone can google;and what I find so hilarious,not to mention hypocritical; is that this person has corresponded to you in EXACTLY the way you do to the majority of people that do not share your views.The fact that you have then reported him is unbelievable.Did no-one ever tell you not to give it if you cannot take it?
For someone such as you,who sets themselves up to tell all and sundry how to behave,you are an extremely rude woman;even my three year old grandson knows you do not tell people to shut up;you ask them to please be quiet.;)

Doug wrote:

Basildon Billy wrote: "........." That was the sound of any chance Basildon Council had of me paying council tax flying out the window I should just break into any house I fancy, and refuse to leave, claiming that Basildon Council HAVE to find me somewhere else

Admirable sentiments, William, but I'm pretty sure the law doesn't extend to burglars and squatters. Sorry. :)

It does I am afraid, only on the basis that they did not break and enter. They can then live there while the council goes through the legal proceedure to evict, also someone has to be in the house 24/7 to stop anyone entering and changing locks etc and while there they have to pay the bills.
Daft isnt it?

Kim Gandy wrote:

The Noble Do-Gooder wrote: Or, to quote an elected official of this fair land: "You are a smart ar5e with a big mouth and no idea of the real world and you need to manage your paranoia carefully before you start believing in your own propaganda." Sums it up rather well, I think.

Yes and that comment came from an official with a record for insulting members of the public and is currently the subject of an ongoing Standards Board investigation. So shut up you fool. Did anybody ever tell you not to discuss ongoing legal actions? You really do open mouth before engaging brain don't you?

That comment clearly came from an official who knows his onions, no more no less.

If it's an ongoing legal action then why has it been online for so long, Kim? You aren't LYING again are you? Not long ago you claimed to have cost this man his job - and very proud you were, too. Keep your story straight.

By the way, I don't type with my mouth open. :)

Doug wrote:

Kim Gandy wrote:

The Noble Do-Gooder wrote: Or, to quote an elected official of this fair land: "You are a smart ar5e with a big mouth and no idea of the real world and you need to manage your paranoia carefully before you start believing in your own propaganda." Sums it up rather well, I think.

Yes and that comment came from an official with a record for insulting members of the public and is currently the subject of an ongoing Standards Board investigation. So shut up you fool. Did anybody ever tell you not to discuss ongoing legal actions? You really do open mouth before engaging brain don't you?

That comment clearly came from an official who knows his onions, no more no less. If it's an ongoing legal action then why has it been online for so long, Kim? You aren't LYING again are you? Not long ago you claimed to have cost this man his job - and very proud you were, too. Keep your story straight. By the way, I don't type with my mouth open. :)

I would put money on there being occassions when you type with your mouth open.

a, when some people have the audacity to type without thinking first
b, when there are certain websites that have pictures of salsa dancers on them. ;)