tina wrote:
diggerland? are you a bob the builder fan? ho and guess what "oakroader" if thats your real name iv commented before lisa

Doug wrote:

tina wrote: diggerland? are you a bob the builder fan? ho and guess what "oakroader" if thats your real name iv commented before lisa

Not his real name. Not his real address either, I'd wager. And probably not even his computer... :)

Happy Hammer wrote:
I think it is a disgrace that this is happening! I am furious! There are unwell elderly people, and women and children that will end up suffering mentally and emotionally from this barbaric act. If they were black, there would be riots on the streets against this. Shame on you , Tory Basildon!

gazzer wrote:
you talk a right load of crap doug,why dont you just crawl under your stone

oakroader wrote:
he wanted a wager tina you thick f*cking idiot, go back to your tree hugging w*nkers and get f*cked.

Plotlander wrote:
Coming to a greenbelt space near you - 11 traveller families! Where are they going to - with the current mess that this government have left us with, all they have to do is stick their caravans on another bit of green belt and they'll be there for months/years! I hope they don't come this way!

oakroader wrote:
your insinuating i dont live in oak rd and wanted a wager , well im prepared to accept your wager or havent you got the money to back up your accusation.

oakroader wrote:
he wanted a wager tina you thick f*cking idiot, go back to your tree hugging w*nkers and get f*cked.

wo0 wrote:
This made me laugh :D

tina wrote:

wo0 wrote: This made me laugh :D

hi woo is this the woo that i know from our kids school, (sports day) :)

Happy Hammer wrote:
I think it is a disgrace that this is happening! I am furious! There are unwell elderly people, and women and children that will end up suffering mentally and emotionally from this barbaric act. If they were black, there would be riots on the streets against this. Shame on you , Tory Basildon!

tina wrote:
thats ok bored it think oakroader has done a runner now, or he has gone to all those trees where im about to go so he can watch us all hugging our trees, im not being nasty but this is one person that i will not except an apology from that comment hurt to the core, but thanks anyway, i still love you lots and do you want to come and hug a tree with me x :)

Rita wrote:
Believe me Angela, my glasses are not tinted, with rose or any other colour. Although I have NEVER read any racist or abusive posts from you, most of those purporting to be from the Crays Hill area would make me ashamed to live there - I have no doubt that these "residents" have done nothing to evoke sympathy or indeed empathy with residents such as yourself and that is a shame. I'm sure you remember Mr Gridley saying that he'd stand by and watch whilst children burned in caravans etc. I don't think I've ever said that the "extra" travellers should be allowed to remain either. I think the only reason these "traveller" stories are titled as such is to get the kinda reactions they obviously do! I'm sure you would agree that there's been quite a lot of "hype" included in these stories and most of the "tree hugging" posters are only posting to object to the nastiness and down right racism that comes from those that purport to be hard-done-by residents ;-) And I'm NOT including you, Angela, in that last sentence.

les wrote:
There is something about the description of "traveller" that confuses me. Why would they want to do stay (or squat) in the one place? (or am I missing something here). Perhaps someone can explain...

dave wrote:
You racist lot make me sick ,these people own the ground they are on, also they should be giving permission to live there,all this crap about them is just made up by the little hitlers that live up oak road

walby wrote:
lisa why should they have permision to build , when i got refused permission for dormas in my roof.and dont start coming out with that rubbish about racism,

Angela wrote:
If the stability of the kids schooling is so important then why don't the kids go?

dave wrote:
Hi lisa , can you give me it again as i seem to have lost it sorry been so bizzy.

walby wrote:
im not a sad man lisa , i know what these people are up to you obviously dont. i noticed in someones post earlier that if they can afford 20 to 30 grand for a plot , then why didnt they put a deposit on a house and get a mortgage, if they were that worried about the the emotional wellbeing and stabillity in schooling of their children that would be the responsible thing to do, wouldnt it. they dont have a steady education now as the school is always half empty through absentee's. and as soon as they get planning they will sell at large profits and then on to the next greenbelt site. and this has nothing to do with a sodding roof that was an example of having a level playing field for everyone. mind you i would still like my roof....!

Lisa Jensen wrote:
The vast majority do go Angela, if you are a Crays Hill resi then you should know better then anyone of the bigotry that went on within the school when the travellers children started there, like a mini revolution. People waffling on about how the travellers children would mess up the school for the so called ordinary/normal children. The parents were on the verge of a nervous breakdown about it and took there children out. When I and others that post on here have visted Dale Farm the vast majority of the children have been in attendance. If you can back up what you post with facts then please do so and I will apologise.

Joe wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote: The vast majority do go Angela, if you are a Crays Hill resi then you should know better then anyone of the bigotry that went on within the school when the travellers children started there, like a mini revolution. People waffling on about how the travellers children would mess up the school for the so called ordinary/normal children. The parents were on the verge of a nervous breakdown about it and took there children out. When I and others that post on here have visted Dale Farm the vast majority of the children have been in attendance. If you can back up what you post with facts then please do so and I will apologise.

You have just shown how little you know about the situation, Lisa, or perhaps you are just lying.

dave wrote:
I moved away for a few years and i have been back about 3 yrs now, im still in the building game,i buy old houses and do them up.lisa i will e mail you tomorrow as im going out soon and have to get ready, good luck

Joe wrote:
Christ, the speed with which you answer Lisa, you must be glued to the Echo website. You want to get out more into the real world.

Joe wrote:
Christ, the speed with which you answer Lisa, you must be glued to the Echo website. You want to get out more into the real world.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Joe wrote: Christ, the speed with which you answer Lisa, you must be glued to the Echo website. You want to get out more into the real world.

I am glued to it this evening Joe, how right on this one you are. So where are the harsh facts then? I am all for justice and the truth so you proof me wrong, beyond all reasonable doubt of course and I will retract, after I have investigated the facts of course. ;)

Angela wrote:
Lisa The truancy rate at Crays Hill school was 25.8% in Jan 2005, by far the highest in Essex. This is a fact from the Inspectors report Re the August 2006 appeal.

Angela wrote:
Lisa The truancy rate at Crays Hill school was 25.8% in Jan 2005, by far the highest in Essex. This is a fact from the Inspectors report Re the August 2006 appeal.

walby wrote:
the level of attendance is unsatisfactory and for the last school year was very low in comparison with other schools, most pupils from the traveller community have lower levels of attendance than other children in the school and this is affecting the schools overall attendance rate. that was taken from the ofsted website lisa. you just said lisa if they dont have a stable income , but they have 20 to 30 grand , whats that an unstable income then, or just plain tax evasion.

Bored wrote:

Angela wrote: Lisa The truancy rate at Crays Hill school was 25.8% in Jan 2005, by far the highest in Essex. This is a fact from the Inspectors report Re the August 2006 appeal.

They are not interested in going to school, why should they be?, the boys follow in their father's footsteps doing driveways, roofing etc, and the girls....well, what DO the girls do?, they don't work do they?, I think they just have kids. I shouldn't think for one minute any of them go to college or uni. Still, they do alright in the end, a nice piece of land which they can afford to buy outright, a roof over their head, no bills to pay....mmm I think I must be going wrong somewhere!

walby wrote:
i found the report on the ofsted web site.

walby wrote:
lisa if they can hand over 20 or 30 grand for a plot then why cant they put that down as a deposit on a house and get a self cert mortgage,you dont need much to get one of those. surely you have to agree if they had their kids welfare at heart that is the right thing to do .when my kids were young my main concern was keeping them in the best environment i could afford, and i never had that amount to put as a deposit.

walby wrote:
lisa if they can hand over 20 or 30 grand for a plot then why cant they put that down as a deposit on a house and get a self cert mortgage,you dont need much to get one of those. surely you have to agree if they had their kids welfare at heart that is the right thing to do .when my kids were young my main concern was keeping them in the best environment i could afford, and i never had that amount to put as a deposit.

Bored wrote:

walby wrote: lisa if they can hand over 20 or 30 grand for a plot then why cant they put that down as a deposit on a house and get a self cert mortgage,you dont need much to get one of those. surely you have to agree if they had their kids welfare at heart that is the right thing to do .when my kids were young my main concern was keeping them in the best environment i could afford, and i never had that amount to put as a deposit.

Yeah, I agree with that. My son, like many others works his backside off travelling up to london every day because he can't earn enough money here. He can't afford a mortgage and I doubt at this rate he ever will. If he rents somewhere he's looking at £600-700 a month without bills, even more if he moves up London. His fare is £3k, that doesn't leave much to be able to save. This is why I get so angry about the stories I read about the Irish travellers having £20k and more for these plots of land. They didn't get that from pure hard graft!

walby wrote:
lisa me and you will never agree on this, you do it out of passion and sympathy and i can understand that, but me on the other hand have been round the block and i know their moves plus ive known all the real travellers round here for years. its best to agree to disagree and wish you all a good night ,im off to watch the football .

John Also Watching Footie wrote:
Afraid I have no time for people who champion lawbreakers from a distance (how many miles is Southend from Dale Farm?) I also think as a tenant rather than an owner occupier with a lifetime’s capital tied up in your home you do not appreciate the frustration of having an unsaleable property. What these people have done is ILLEGAL end of story. Planning laws exist to protect the local community. Why should those of us legally owning freehold properties at the full market value require planning permission to install Velux windows whilst these people buy a piece of land up on the cheap without planning permission and proceed to build a permanent home on it and then have the cheek to sell it on? BTW if you actually believe what you have posted, do you think it is right for girls to grow up thinking all they have to look forward to in life is bearing children? I don’t believe that is the case here for one minute, these women are as canny as their men and nothing like true “Muslim” women. It is all very well to share a quick cup of tea and pally up with these people but has the term “green” ever arisen in your degree course? They are streets ahead of you and laughing up their sleeves.

tina wrote:
great, was it a good match, wish i could have watched it :(

Lisa Jensen wrote:

John Also Watching Footie wrote: Afraid I have no time for people who champion lawbreakers from a distance (how many miles is Southend from Dale Farm?) I also think as a tenant rather than an owner occupier with a lifetime’s capital tied up in your home you do not appreciate the frustration of having an unsaleable property. What these people have done is ILLEGAL end of story. Planning laws exist to protect the local community. Why should those of us legally owning freehold properties at the full market value require planning permission to install Velux windows whilst these people buy a piece of land up on the cheap without planning permission and proceed to build a permanent home on it and then have the cheek to sell it on? BTW if you actually believe what you have posted, do you think it is right for girls to grow up thinking all they have to look forward to in life is bearing children? I don’t believe that is the case here for one minute, these women are as canny as their men and nothing like true “Muslim” women. It is all very well to share a quick cup of tea and pally up with these people but has the term “green” ever arisen in your degree course? They are streets ahead of you and laughing up their sleeves.

Evening John. I don\'t know what it is like to own my home that is true, that does not mean though that I can not appreciate what it is like to lose value on it though. I have lost lots of things in my life and do you know something, bricks and mortar mean nothing at all to me. Maybe the women are canny, they have to be just by the very nature of there day to day lives. They may be streets ahead and they may be laughing there socks off at me all day long, I do not care. My main thing in life is justice. I can not bare any form of injustice. My biggest issue also is the children, the adults can deal with it all themselves pretty much. No green doesnt come into my course, I am studying criminology, criminal profiling and forensic psychology, all with a bit of sociology, psychology, anti-discriminatory policy, law and media thrown in.

walby wrote:
exactly my point lisa those at dale farm arent travellers, did you take note about the setting up of camps around the uk. this is what most people who understand the situation have always said.

John Just Watched Footie wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

John Also Watching Footie wrote: Afraid I have no time for people who champion lawbreakers from a distance (how many miles is Southend from Dale Farm?) I also think as a tenant rather than an owner occupier with a lifetime’s capital tied up in your home you do not appreciate the frustration of having an unsaleable property. What these people have done is ILLEGAL end of story. Planning laws exist to protect the local community. Why should those of us legally owning freehold properties at the full market value require planning permission to install Velux windows whilst these people buy a piece of land up on the cheap without planning permission and proceed to build a permanent home on it and then have the cheek to sell it on? BTW if you actually believe what you have posted, do you think it is right for girls to grow up thinking all they have to look forward to in life is bearing children? I don’t believe that is the case here for one minute, these women are as canny as their men and nothing like true “Muslim” women. It is all very well to share a quick cup of tea and pally up with these people but has the term “green” ever arisen in your degree course? They are streets ahead of you and laughing up their sleeves.

Evening John. I don\'t know what it is like to own my home that is true, that does not mean though that I can not appreciate what it is like to lose value on it though. I have lost lots of things in my life and do you know something, bricks and mortar mean nothing at all to me. Maybe the women are canny, they have to be just by the very nature of there day to day lives. They may be streets ahead and they may be laughing there socks off at me all day long, I do not care. My main thing in life is justice. I can not bare any form of injustice. My biggest issue also is the children, the adults can deal with it all themselves pretty much. No green doesnt come into my course, I am studying criminology, criminal profiling and forensic psychology, all with a bit of sociology, psychology, anti-discriminatory policy, law and media thrown in.

All very well Lisa, one of the usual "airy fairy" this n that degree courses of today, but what is your opinion that this is ILLEGAL if law is part of the course? You may not value money but THEY obviously do?

Angela wrote:
Lisa Absenteeism of 17.8% plus 8% equals 25.8% which is exactly what I said . If you don't think this is high then compare with other schools in the area.

walby wrote:
if she has lived there from the begining lisa shes nothing to do with those irish as the first travellers have been there since the seventies, the illegal irish have only been there for approx 6 years. but dont you find it a bit of a coincidence that what the residents of crays hill have been saying for years is almost word for word the same as the paper clip i posted. it must make you think about it.

John Just Watched Footie wrote:
I have worked for a property development Company and know for a fact it can take up to 20 years to get planning permission to build on land. You can also be fined a small fortune even if you do have legal planning permission to start work demolishing trees/hedges whilst birds are nesting and other environmental issues such as newt (protected species) relocation etc. Something BIG developers have to abide by (at great expense) within planning laws - part of your course Lisa?

walby wrote:
there was no scrapyard to get rid of , trevor and greg who were the last owners of the breakers yard relocated to the five bells and took all their vehicles with them and scrapped the ones they didnt as metal was making good money then, ray bocking who owned dale farm did exactly the same.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

John Just Watched Footie wrote: I have worked for a property development Company and know for a fact it can take up to 20 years to get planning permission to build on land. You can also be fined a small fortune even if you do have legal planning permission to start work demolishing trees/hedges whilst birds are nesting and other environmental issues such as newt (protected species) relocation etc. Something BIG developers have to abide by (at great expense) within planning laws - part of your course Lisa?

Thats as maybe at times, but if you look at Gunners in Shoebury it didnt take them 20 days let alone 20 years and they felled trees with nesting birds in. Oh and planning is not part of it no. I dont need to be up on planning to work in forensics..

walby wrote:
lisa im not telling fibs here that is what happened. ray bocking didnt want to sell dale farm but when they started encroaching on his land he tried to sell it as he was having a lot of trouble with them , but no one would buy for its value i think it was about 280 grand then , he had no choice but to sell to them for half that value , then it got broke up into plots by the first irish who then sold the plots to the rest of them.

Lisa Jensen wrote:
The fact remains that it was a bloody scrapyard full of cars before they moved there, what harm are they doing? I can tell you now that more than one person on here who is currently posting has evidence of a local resident tipping rubbish up there, who got the blame though? It is time for all this bloody racist twaddle to stop and for us all to live and let live. We are meant to live in a country with freedom of speech, a country of democracy. Well that does apply if you have money, you are a white british person and you know the right people. If you are a traveller or you don\'t fit into a certain little box then you are stuffed. Dave local can you email me please. Thanks hunni.

Doug wrote:
Incredible how much spite and bile there is on here. And why do people keep insisting that you can't express an opinion unless you live there?? Can I just check, please, what is the exact radius of Dale Farm within which you must live if your opinion is to be deemed valid by the high & mighty of Crays Hill? Fifty feet? 11.4km? Or just close enough so the Dale Farm residents can hear you shout "pikey" from your back door? I'll be keeping my opinions on Palestine, Iraq, Manchester United, Gordon Brown's nasal hair, and of course the Muppet Show on hold until I can be certain that Wakering falls within these magic boundaries.

FJ wrote:
All those on here in favour of keeping Dale Farm, why dont you let these people move in to your road even your garden for a while. See how you cope with intimidation, vandalism, burglary, threatening behaviour, abuse, robberies. Until you've lived with it shut the f*ck up.

FJ wrote:
All those on here in favour of keeping Dale Farm, why dont you let these people move in to your road even your garden for a while. See how you cope with intimidation, vandalism, burglary, threatening behaviour, abuse, robberies. Until you've lived with it shut the f*ck up.

Doug wrote:
Nobby: Planning permission is based on civil law, not criminal law - so whatever is happening at Dale Farm is NOT a crime. Otherwise someone would be arrested and charged, wouldn't they?

Bored - (or should I call you Vicar?) - I don't think the place they settle is at all relevant, and yes I would feel the same if they were in Wakering. I have read the comments by posters that are by those who claim to be Roma too, and it seems to me they are as keen to be differentiated from the Irish because of the abuse they get, as much as because of their behaviour. Much as I, an Englishman, would like to be differentiated from the likes of "evilc" and "oakroader", who do not speak for me or my nation, as far as I am concerned.

Perhaps if we all stuck to the facts, rather than hearsay, rumour, innuendo and stereotypes, then we might have some better understanding of eachother on both sides of the argument. One way or another these people will need a place to live, wherever that may be. And we are all going to have to live with that, not deny it, and not "send them back" (or worse) as suggested by some.

Knobby wrote:

Doug wrote: Nobby: Planning permission is based on civil law, not criminal law - so whatever is happening at Dale Farm is NOT a crime. Otherwise someone would be arrested and charged, wouldn't they? Bored - (or should I call you Vicar?) - I don't think the place they settle is at all relevant, and yes I would feel the same if they were in Wakering. I have read the comments by posters that are by those who claim to be Roma too, and it seems to me they are as keen to be differentiated from the Irish because of the abuse they get, as much as because of their behaviour. Much as I, an Englishman, would like to be differentiated from the likes of "evilc" and "oakroader", who do not speak for me or my nation, as far as I am concerned. Perhaps if we all stuck to the facts, rather than hearsay, rumour, innuendo and stereotypes, then we might have some better understanding of eachother on both sides of the argument. One way or another these people will need a place to live, wherever that may be. And we are all going to have to live with that, not deny it, and not "send them back" (or worse) as suggested by some.

Hmm, so acting illegally against civil law is not a crime then.........interes ting. The facts are:- - they choose to live outside of normal society - they intimidate/scrounge from normal society - they break society's rules/laws - NO ONE WANTS THEM LIVING NEAR THEM. Society in general & decent communities in particular have rules to live by, if others do not wish to abide by them, then they have no right to be part of it. End of.

Doug wrote:
Vicar, sorry for the missed ID - it's just that "Bored" can sometimes be witty, often in a similar way to you. You say "Where has all the humour and fun gone?".... hear, hear. Bring back Kim Gandy!! :)

jon wrote:
Personally I hope they stay in Crays Hill because I do not want the filthy scum pitching up in Southchurch East Park again. These people are just opportunistic parasites. Race has nothing to do with it behaviour has. Anyway with a bit of luck the so-called terminally ill will probably drop dead soon which will save the council the trouble of evicting them

Satan wrote:
I think the point Budgie was making is they do not pay there taxes

Local Boy wrote:
Unfortunately these situations take so long to resolve for both residents and illegal developers that friction between the various parties will always be the result. All people need somewhere to live. However the planning laws are quite clear and setting up home in the green belt is not allowed. Ownership of the land is irrelevant, it cannot be done. The system should be changed so that breaches of these regulations are dealt with swiftly. Then hopefully a lot of the antipathy that grows in these situations will be avoided. I, probably like most people, get cheesed off when the law treats is not applied equally to all people. No matter what the stories of hardship are, retrospective planning permission must not be given. However assistance to settle somewhere legally should.

jon wrote:
Personally I hope they stay in Crays Hill because I do not want the filthy scum pitching up in Southchurch East Park again. These people are just opportunistic parasites. Race has nothing to do with it behaviour has. Anyway with a bit of luck the so-called terminally ill will probably drop dead soon which will save the council the trouble of evicting them

Lisa Jensen wrote:

jon wrote: Personally I hope they stay in Crays Hill because I do not want the filthy scum pitching up in Southchurch East Park again. These people are just opportunistic parasites. Race has nothing to do with it behaviour has. Anyway with a bit of luck the so-called terminally ill will probably drop dead soon which will save the council the trouble of evicting them

You horrid little individual. I actually do not care if they pitch up in Southchurch, live and let live I say. Not sure about the park, but there is plenty of other land that they could do locally if they wish. I dont actually ever remember them being in Southchurch Park, please elaborate in a decent fashion.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Satan wrote: I think the point Budgie was making is they do not pay there taxes

The dale form families do actually pay council tax thank you very much.

JS of Essex wrote:
I recently saw the horrors of Auschwitz -Birkenau where the Nazis exterminated Europe's Romany. I think the people responsible would have had some sympathy with the “good people” and council of Crays Hill and Basildon. How sad that people never learn - and that living among us are people with such values. Good luck travellers! The world will be a better place when those who wish to evict you are themselves dealt with by the law for what they really are.

The seeker of the truth wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

jon wrote: Personally I hope they stay in Crays Hill because I do not want the filthy scum pitching up in Southchurch East Park again. These people are just opportunistic parasites. Race has nothing to do with it behaviour has. Anyway with a bit of luck the so-called terminally ill will probably drop dead soon which will save the council the trouble of evicting them

You horrid little individual. I actually do not care if they pitch up in Southchurch, live and let live I say. Not sure about the park, but there is plenty of other land that they could do locally if they wish. I dont actually ever remember them being in Southchurch Park, please elaborate in a decent fashion.

You don't care if they come to Southchurch as you live at least a quarter of a mile from the nearest patch of green land. You live in a rented property so you can bugger off if you don't like the area.

sonny wrote:
Where are all the crays hill racists and grasses tonight

susie wrote:
School Attendance: Last year Crays Hill had 7.2% authorised absence and 4.1% unauthorised, a total of 11.3%. Porter's Grange had the lowest primary school attendance with figures of 5.7 + 2.9 giving a total of 8.6%. Crays Hill has 57 pupils, Porter's Grange has 415. These figures mean that the average pupil at Crays Hill was absent for 22 days and at Porter's Grange 16.8 days. Southend's data availabe from http://www.dfes.gov. uk/cgi-bin/performan cetables/group_06.pl ?Mode=Z&Type=LA&No=8 82&Base=a&Phase=p&F= 1&L=50&Year=06

sonny wrote:
Lisa im new to this site and i have just started to post but what you post is so right,these people are so quick to keep blaming the gypsies,but they want to go over a few housing estates in basildon

Knobby wrote:
I do not think anybody is being racist. This is about illegal development of land. Yes, there are , sadly, many instances of law-breaking & antisocial behavior all around us which also should be addressed but that does'nt make it right. The people who are the subject of this newspaper article cynically knew what they were doing and now their time is running out. I am p*ssed at having to pay for all these convoluted legal games. Please don't play the race card, they are the same race as the majority of us ie caucasion. The rules must apply equally to everyone, I'm afraid. We do not owe them anything, they chose their lifestyle as I chose mine.

Plotlander wrote:

Knobby wrote: I do not think anybody is being racist. This is about illegal development of land. Yes, there are , sadly, many instances of law-breaking & antisocial behavior all around us which also should be addressed but that does'nt make it right. The people who are the subject of this newspaper article cynically knew what they were doing and now their time is running out. I am p*ssed at having to pay for all these convoluted legal games. Please don't play the race card, they are the same race as the majority of us ie caucasion. The rules must apply equally to everyone, I'm afraid. We do not owe them anything, they chose their lifestyle as I chose mine.

A voice of reason !

Jon wrote:
Toni, SOS : I am not worried I grow my own "lucky" heather and am ok for clothes pegs.

toni wrote:

jon wrote: Personally I hope they stay in Crays Hill because I do not want the filthy scum pitching up in Southchurch East Park again. These people are just opportunistic parasites. Race has nothing to do with it behaviour has. Anyway with a bit of luck the so-called terminally ill will probably drop dead soon which will save the council the trouble of evicting them

What a evil comment,you will have s much bad luck now you wont belive it

sonny wrote:
<b> Thanks lisa nice one i think i need new glasses</b>

The Vicar wrote:

sonny wrote: <b> Thanks lisa nice one i think i need new glasses</b>

Sonny - calling people names isn't likely to get you being taken seriously. I often find that those who call people racists are more than likely more racist themselves and would be the first to play the race card. I believe the Travellers (sic) at Dale Farm have played the race card from day one. Their only defence in all matters is to call people racists if anyone disagrees with anything they do. Actions like that are equally as bad as true racism. Let's be honest. They thought they could buy land cheap, develop on it without a second's thought to planning laws and get away with it. When they began to realise that they might not get away with it they played the race card. Anyone, whatever colour or nationality, who tries to break planning laws should be treated equally and at the same time should respect the decision given for or against them.

sonny wrote:
<b> Trust me you are rasist,you are just trying to make yourself right,look at the places you say where your locations are,you are a racist and a p.ss taker,and i dont wish no one bad luck but i think you have it coming to you</b>

Rita wrote:
Sonny, I think you meant to thank me - just wanted to make it clear that, although I agree with everything Lisa usually says, I don't want people on here accusing us of being the same person ;-)

small-town, small-mindedness of the Essex folk.....

tina wrote:
could someone please go to the "im no spy" story at southend and tell me what tsarina said i would love someone to translate it for me (sorry to change the subject) but its annoying me thanks x x:)

Doug wrote:

tina wrote: could someone please go to the "im no spy" story at southend and tell me what tsarina said i would love someone to translate it for me (sorry to change the subject) but its annoying me thanks x x:)

Almost impossible to translate, I would have thought. It's been written phonetically, presumably because the Echo website doesn't support Russian script. And it's probably just made up "cod" Russian anyway!! :)

Doug wrote:
Tina I am about to post on the "spy" page.

Joe wrote:
Doug said: Now read the article again, substituting the word "Jews" for "Travellers" and see what it reminds you of. Nasty, isn't it. I have never heard of Jews demanding preferential treatment like the travellers do. Jews work hard for their money and do not expect to be given special land to live on, nor would they want to live like this, we prefer to live in the community not apart from it in special sites.

Rita wrote:
Jon - agreed. I don\'t think Sonny\'s ever been on \"here\" before and I don\'t think he\'s ever posted saying that the travellers DO have a right to build on green-belt. I am positive that other residents of Crays Hill have encroached on to greenbelt over the years, whilst the council have been concentrating on the travellers - if it is discovered (and really Jon Austin, if he WAS concerned about the greenbelt, should have investigated the WHOLE area thus not discriminating!) that others have encroached on the land then they should be \"investigated\" too. I have never posted that the travellers should have a right to stay, I only put my ha\'penny\'s worth in when I saw the vile comments and, YES, racist comments on previous posts to this one. I think that\'s all anyone tried to do but you must have a look back on the traveller history pages and see the kind of prejudice that is \"allowed\". You\'ll also see how the purported \"residents\" attack anyone that doesn\'t want to fight their cause, and just their cause alone it seems. How many other protests have these people been on regarding green-belt? Some stuff really has been hateful and, to be honest, if those people are gonna be \"bigged up\" by websites like StormFront then there must be something in it! ;-) I, of course, am not including you or the Vicar when I say this!

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Joe wrote: Doug said: Now read the article again, substituting the word \"Jews\" for \"Travellers\" and see what it reminds you of. Nasty, isn\'t it. I have never heard of Jews demanding preferential treatment like the travellers do. Jews work hard for their money and do not expect to be given special land to live on, nor would they want to live like this, we prefer to live in the community not apart from it in special sites.

What are you talking about? We have many places in Southend where people isolate themselves into little communities. Look at Westcliff, predominantly black african and eastern european. If they choose to live in there own little communtity then where is the problem in that? Again I will tell you that it is not a criminal offence to build on greenbelt it is a civil offence. To date there is no record of any crime being commited as regarding building regs etc.

Mike wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Joe wrote: Doug said: Now read the article again, substituting the word \"Jews\" for \"Travellers\" and see what it reminds you of. Nasty, isn\'t it. I have never heard of Jews demanding preferential treatment like the travellers do. Jews work hard for their money and do not expect to be given special land to live on, nor would they want to live like this, we prefer to live in the community not apart from it in special sites.

What are you talking about? We have many places in Southend where people isolate themselves into little communities. Look at Westcliff, predominantly black african and eastern european. If they choose to live in there own little communtity then where is the problem in that? Again I will tell you that it is not a criminal offence to build on greenbelt it is a civil offence. To date there is no record of any crime being commited as regarding building regs etc.

Nobody gives them any land though, do they? It is an offence to build on greenbelt land and people who do are told to demolish their houses, the travellers are being victimised.

sonny wrote:
Where are all the crays hill racists and grasses tonight

Jon Austin wrote:
Lisa Jenson wrote: "Again I will tell you that it is not a criminal offence to build on greenbelt it is a civil offence. To date there is no record of any crime being commited as regarding building regs etc." Hello Lisa - People can be prosecuted for breaching enforcement orders and if found guilty it is dealt with by fines or imprisonment in magistrates court. There was a Basildon Council prosecution in 2003 or 2004 of a traveller family at Hovefields Drive, Wickford, for breaching an order. It does not seem to be used very often though.

Pete wrote:
If people want to live among their own kind and not integrate they should not come here, they should stay in their own countries.

You must've read other posts and, surely you agree that the kind of spitefulness and prejudice that erupts when "traveller" is hinted at, can only be described as surprising, if not frightening ;-)

"I bet they wouldn't charge if angry Muslims wanted to march to protest against something ;)"
"Of course not.They would probably give them £20 Luncheon vouchers each,a new flat,holiday,probabl
"

Jon Austin wrote:
"The criminal law only comes into it if as you say you are in breach of a court order." Or enforcement notice served by a planning authority, but if an appeal is lodged against the enforcement notice, there can be no prosecution until that appeal is finished, if it is quashed - hence the often lengthy legal cases involved with planning.

walby wrote:

sonny wrote: Where are all the crays hill racists and grasses tonight

that comment just about sums you up , the iq of a PEANUT. if brains were chocolate you could'nt cover a malteser.

walby wrote:
why are people still refering to the irish at dale farm as travellers, when all they are doing is using the name traveller to put themselves in that bracket to gain the rights of gypsies. when in actual fact they are house dwellers. and they have proved this themselves by wanting to reside at dale farm.

sonny wrote:

walby wrote:

sonny wrote: Where are all the crays hill racists and grasses tonight

that comment just about sums you up , the iq of a PEANUT. if brains were chocolate you could'nt cover a malteser.

was i right then walby you must be a grass or a racist which one

Rob wrote:
Sonny's got a very limited vocabulary hasn't he.

tina wrote:

Rob wrote: Sonny's got a very limited vocabu