Lisa seemed to know they would be allowed to stay a few weeks ago.

Good luck ,i hope you win the day,and put all the crays hill grasses and do gooders in there places..........

I hope everybody remembers this sell-out when council elections come up next time.
What part of the word 'illegal' don't they understand!
I presume this was a voted decision, how do we find out who voted which way?

THIS IS WHY I REFUSE TO PAY COUNCIL TAX!

Did anybody actually expect them to evict the travellers? Basildon Council actually doing what we pay them for? ha!

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We already knew this was going to happen didn't we?

BDC You bunch of cowards ! Residents of Crays Hill unite & REFUSE to pay Council Tax - it only funds the so called 'Travellers', it's the only action that will get our message home to the spineless,useless council.

This sends a clear message to the people of Basildon. Do what you want the council will not enforce anything. We will now have the whole sorry charade again next spring. Has anyone looked into suing a councilor for failing to discharge their duties; there is a law there somewhere.

I'm afraid to say it, almost, but I'm beginning to believe that you are right Dave. It seems 'Office' is the goal, achieving anything for the voters whilst in office, secondary.
They work on the assumption that next week it will be old news and everyone will have 'moved on'.
Pompous or what!

So who should the people of Basildon have voted for, Dave. Would Labour or the Liberals have been any different?

Pam wrote:
So who should the people of Basildon have voted for, Dave. Would Labour or the Liberals have been any different?

I think Dave means BNP. Scary isn't it when people are so incensed that they feel that only political party that would address their concerns is the BNP. And, on a daily basis, circumstances are forcing a lot people to consider these options. The future appears bleak indeed!!

Why do the law breakers always get away with a slapped wrist as the punishment.
Yet refuse to pay the council tax and they will probably throw a murderer out of prison to find a cell for you.

I see that the unwashed-leftist pro-traveller brigade have yet to make a semi-coherent entry onto this forum.

Is this because they haven’t got out of their beds yet, or are they up at the post office cashing their Giro’s I wonder?

Let's have some indpendent politicians who canvass on this single issue. I don't think people will vote BNP but they will vote for stronger law and order and local issues. The main parties are so ridiculously out of touch with the people of this country it's a scandal.

what on earth is a flotsam :)

tina wrote:
what on earth is a flotsam :)

Refuse from a ship, found floating in the water.

ohhhh i know what you mean then ROBBIE; your a flotsam :)

The travellers don't do any harm, they are all very nice people. Some of you on this site are completely out of order and should be ashamed and pay your council tax !!

Mike wrote:
I see that the unwashed-leftist pro-traveller brigade have yet to make a semi-coherent entry onto this forum. Is this because they haven’t got out of their beds yet, or are they up at the post office cashing their Giro’s I wonder?

Just wondering, Mike, whether the posts going on about "thieving pikey scum" etc are considered coherent in your eyes?

By the way, there are no apostrophes in plurals. :)

Basildon Billy wrote:
THIS IS WHY I REFUSE TO PAY COUNCIL TAX! Did anybody actually expect them to evict the travellers? Basildon Council actually doing what we pay them for? ha!

Billy, if you don't want to pay tax, that's your choice. But you are breaking the law, and may face imprisonment. Just thought you should know.

Since you have taken such a stance, I don't expect to see accusatory posts from you on this site about how the travellers don't pay taxes, from now on. After all, that would be hypocrisy, wouldn't it?

Amid all this breast-beating about breaking the law, I was reminded of a recent report published by the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies.

Researchers say that a third of us pay cash in hand to avoid tax; a third of us keep money when given too much change; one in five steals goods from work; one in ten of us doesn't pay the TV licence or disclose faults in goods that we sell second-hand; and many of us are guilty of inflating our insurance claims.

All of the above are illegal, and roughly on a level with flouting planning law - something which, again, is prevalent in the settled community.

Now I am not going to judge people who do these things - I don't, but I do break some other laws from time to time, such as speeding - but I am also reminded of the saying "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

I would be extremely surprised, given the statistics, if every person who posted their outrage at laws being broken on this site was completely squeaky clean. And if they weren't, well that would be hypocrisy wouldn't it?

Just a thought.

Or... is it not really about the law? Is it something else, say perhaps ethnicity? It would explain the BNP posts at least.

Just a thought.

All travellers want to do is live a peaceful life , I am not a traveller, but a person with a bit of common sense ! unlike Basildon Billy , and Bill and Doug

Terry wrote:
All travellers want to do is live a peaceful life , I am not a traveller, but a person with a bit of common sense ! unlike Basildon Billy , and Bill and Doug

That's the first, and hopefully last, time I am lumped together with Basildon Billy! LOL

I suggest you read my posts again, Terry... on ALL the traveller threads. I think you'll find our views are closer than you realise.

tina wrote:
what on earth is a flotsam :)

floating rubbish.

walby wrote:

tina wrote: what on earth is a flotsam :)

floating rubbish.

It also means vagrant, destitute or penniless people.

Doug wrote:
Amid all this breast-beating about breaking the law, I was reminded of a recent report published by the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies. Researchers say that a third of us pay cash in hand to avoid tax; a third of us keep money when given too much change; one in five steals goods from work; one in ten of us doesn't pay the TV licence or disclose faults in goods that we sell second-hand; and many of us are guilty of inflating our insurance claims. All of the above are illegal, and roughly on a level with flouting planning law - something which, again, is prevalent in the settled community. Now I am not going to judge people who do these things - I don't, but I do break some other laws from time to time, such as speeding - but I am also reminded of the saying "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". I would be extremely surprised, given the statistics, if every person who posted their outrage at laws being broken on this site was completely squeaky clean. And if they weren't, well that would be hypocrisy wouldn't it? Just a thought. Or... is it not really about the law? Is it something else, say perhaps ethnicity? It would explain the BNP posts at least. Just a thought.

Bigot and anarchist.

Interesting name-calling Tony. Very adult.

Care to prove why I am a bigot and an anarchist? Clearly you can't argue against my points, so perhaps you could try to argue in favour of your own, no matter how puerile they may be.

Doug wrote:

walby wrote:

tina wrote: what on earth is a flotsam :)

floating rubbish.

It also means vagrant, destitute or penniless people.

quite right,but i used the word as floating rubbish .
if i had used it as one of the other meanings it most probably would have enhanced his status.

a commonsense approach by setting up proper campsites in one area .say Pitsea marshes with facilities and service charges would self regulate the number of travelling folk. The Watt Tyler park is awhit e elephant and could provide an excellent site.There is an alternative to BNP the UKIP party.Dedicated to bring back controls of our borders and restore repectability. Last item car boot sales people flock to the majority of goods for sle are stolen!So don.t visit.This way you will help to stamp out crime!

Lisa, where are you? Still at Dale Farm partying I suppose lol

surely these cant be the same travellers that basildon council has taken to court year after year and then just give up.
so all our council tax money has been wasted. maybe the travellers should park there vans outside downing street to see how many minutes it will take them to be evicted. i bet it wont take years and why dont travellers go to a holiday park and pay ground rent to the site as they will be able to take there own vans there.

Mark wrote:
Let\'s have some indpendent politicians who canvass on this single issue. I don\'t think people will vote BNP but they will vote for stronger law and order and local issues. The main parties are so ridiculously out of touch with the people of this country it\'s a scandal.

Already been done. I did it three times. Not independent but not BNP and not any of the others.
And no I am not opening up this subject again but I did stand for the people of Crays Hill.
They continue to vote in the Useless Tories.

When did you last see any comment from the Crouch Ward's two Tories?

People just don't listen.

Some discerning folk did but others just lazily voted for the same old same old.

Crays Hill cronyism or just plain idleness and lack of conviction.

Hello Kim,it's great to have you back.My thoughts and prayers are with you.

Anyway, I've washed my hands of it all now.

I still disagree totally with the wanton and wholesale bending of the law to suit minorities and will continue to object in the strongest possible terms.

However, my beloved Ted's death has superceded all of this petty village backbiting. Nothing any of those harpies says about me now will hurt.

After the last few weeks it won't even scratch the surface of my emotions.

Thankyou Melody. I am struggling with it all but I just have to get on with it.

As for the village harpies mentioned above, they know who they are.

Dave wrote:
You lot all voted for that Tory twit Baron and bought his line on being ‘tough on the Traveller’s’ and even went up to London for handshake’s and a nice bum-kissing session for the cameras. Were you all really that naive to actually believe that same old Tory-boy dribble? Well I guess so, because there he is sitting as an MP grinning from ear to ear, while in Crays Hill still remains Europe’s single biggest collection of cut-throats and criminals. I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for any of you. You had the opportunity at the last general election to vote into power people that would have made the government actually act! The selection of a right-wing representative would have scared the living stuffing out of the government and that site would have been shutdown by now. Liberal-Labour-Conse rvative are all just one big Party and collection of liars and sleaze merchants with their pensions and investments their only inspiration. You voted for it, you deserve it, and you got it!

Yes we did vote but the voting system does not work,,,if there are more than two people to vote for then the one with the most votes gets in,,but if you add the other votes together then it will allways add up to more,,therefor most people did not vote for the present council,,check
it out next time there is an election.

i have posted this on an earlier thread, but i am posting it again just to remind people what basildon council have given the residents of crays hill .For one group of 400 Travellers, anti-social behaviour seems the order of the day, says Lara Bradley

OTHER Travellers know them as "the millionaires". Each summer they set up camp in towns around the country, trading door-to-door and moving on only when forced to do so or when business dries up.

The brand-new, top-of-the-range cars and flash clothes indicate that this annual outing is highly profitable, but residents in the towns where they pull in say they feel "intimidated" and "under siege".

Currently dispersed among camps in Kinnegad, Co Westmeath, Monasterevin, Co Kildare, and Swords, Co Dublin, this troupe of wealthy Travellers has left a trail of resentment and recrimination in their wake as they move around the country.

They were moved on from Wexford last Monday morning following a number of violent incidents. Previously they had been forced to move on from Waterford after a nine-day stay and, before that, a security firm was called in to press them to leave Swords, in north Dublin.

They moved en masse to Kinnegad last Monday, but split into smaller groups on Friday. The group of around 400 Travellers originate from Rathkeale in Co Limerick, which has become well-known as the "Traveller capital of Ireland".

Forty-five per cent of the town's population now class themselves as Travellers. The Rathkeale Travellers are a wealthy trading group whose business interests extend across Europe.

The same surnames come up time and time again when Travellers across Ireland, Britain and northern Europe hit the headlines.

The "millionaires" run a sophisticated business network. Their main trade is in furniture imported from eastern Europe, though they also sell tools, generators and antiques. They set up temporary depots wherever they make their camp and delivery lorries follow them around.

One of the most common complaints about the group is that they take their customers' old furniture away and do not always dispose of it properly. Sofas and armchairs were found floating in the river after the group departed from Wexford last week and abandoned furniture had to be removed after their departure from Waterford.

Last Thursday four Travellers - two of whom gave Rathkeale addresses - were jailed in Belgium for their part in a cigarette-smuggling gang. In sentencing James Scannel, Daniel O'Brien, Danny Flynn and Richard O'Brien, the Belgian judge said the four were part of a larger group of 150 Travellers who were "not afraid to use violence and intimidation to force truck drivers to carry large amounts of tobacco to the UK".

The "millionaires" are highly mobile, and while some give addresses in Britain and the North they regard Rathkeale, Co Limerick, as home and return there in huge numbers each Christmas.

When 800 members of the group arrived in Cottenham, Cambridgeshire, last year residents threatened to withhold council tax payments in protest. Last week, angry residents launched a website www.middleenglandinr
evolt.co.uk to provide support to other communities across the UK feeling under siege and intimidated from the Travelling community.

Spokesman Terry Brownbill said: "There is a Mafia feel to this lot. The main men are directing families around Britain and Ireland. They have called us racist, but we lived happily with English Travellers for 40 years until the Irish ones forced them out. These guys are extremely aggressive, demanding and anti-social. They shout at staff in shops, block the traffic and allow 14-year-olds to drive big vans at high speeds.

"They are involved in a property scam here and have promised pitch battles if they are stopped." The Middle England in Revolt group plans to visit Rathkeale later this month to "confront" the Travelling community there.

Mr Brownbill said: "They live in Rathkeale yet claim they are Travellers and have the right to set up camp wherever they like. We want them to explain that to us."

Feelings were running just as high in Wexford and Kinnegad last week. Sixty-eight caravans arrived on reclaimed land at Ferrybank, Wexford, on Tuesday, June 1. An hotel opposite the encampment was forced to close that evening, holidaymakers in a nearby official campsite checked out, and the municipal swimming pool had to shut its doors after being deluged by Travellers wanting to use their shower facilities.

Locals also claim a nearby playground was used as an open-air toilet.

The Riverbank hotel opened two days later after a 24-hour Garda presence was put in place, but business 'The hotel opened two days later, after a 24-hour Garda presence was put in'

plummeted by 55 per cent on the same period last year.

Manager Colm Campbell said: "Our customers couldn't get near the area so we had to close. A couple of girls came over and said it was discrimination that we wouldn't serve them, but the hotel was closed to everyone at that stage. They said they would come again at night and break all the windows, but that was the only threat we received.

"They are travelling in such a large group that the Gardai can not physically impound so many vehicles. I don't regard these people as Travellers. They are traders and they give ordinary Travellers a bad name. They have been in Wexford at least 10 times in the past five years, but it is the sheer numbers that are intimidating.

"We had the law on our side and it wasn't enforced, but in fairness to the Gardai their hands were tied."

Pubs in Wexford closed for several nights or employed extra security to deal with the perceived threat. Some put up notices such as: "Happy Birthday Seamus. Invited only. Thank you."

A tense standoff ensued two days later. A security company surrounded the site and trenches were dug around the encampment to prevent more Traveller families moving in. At the height of the altercation 40 Gardai, an ambulance and a fire engine were positioned at the entrance to the encampment. Eggs and stones were thrown at locals, but the Travellers claimed they were being discriminated against.

One Traveller, who was among the group, said: "We mean no harm to anyone. We go about for a month a year doing our business. We don't look for trouble at all. People have no reason to feel frightened of us.

"It's only on the bank holiday we meet up in a big group. We're not begging in the street, but the pubs and shops all close down when we arrive. We got blamed in Wexford for trouble from bikers high on drugs and another group who didn't want to mix with us."

Last Sunday around 20 of the group arrived in Killinick village five miles from Wexford. They were served in Ye Olde Cooper's Inn, but the barman refused to continue service after a number of menus were allegedly thrown around the bar.

One witness said: "They said, 'You're not serving us because we're knackers'. Then they threatened to break up the pub and to smash a bottle over his head."

The group crossed the street to the Merry Elf where once again they were served, but again became boisterous, with some urinating against the outside of the pub wall. Gardai were called and the group moved on.

Their next stop was Ryan's pub in the village of Taghmon, which is home to five families of settled travellers. One local said: "They drank in the pub for about a couple of hours, which was very intimidating for everyone else.

"They came wanting a row. We are a very close-knit community and the settled Travellers are part of that."

By 11pm a fight involving pool cues and broken glasses had broken out outside the bar between the visiting and settled travellers. A window of the pub was broken.

Businessman Eric Fenlon said: "These are small village pubs. They aren't big town pubs with security men. What can the barmen do? If people arrive in the village we would expect them to behave themselves. That didn't happen."

The injured attended Wexford General Hospital at 2am, where another fracas began. Several were arrested.

A total of 32 members of the Travelling community were charged with offences during the week-long stay in Wexford. Just two out of 18 men appeared before New Ross District Court last week to face charges relating to disturbances, and bench warrants were issued for the arrest of the others.

The convoy eventually left Wexford last Monday and headed to Kinnegad, Co Westmeath, where their arrival heralded similar tensions. Irish Traveller Movement spokesman David Joyce said: "These families are not seen among travellers as aggressive. They are very successful and have all the trappings of wealth. They are travelling in a large group in response to trespass legislation - there is safety in numbers in terms of being prosecuted by Gardai. The legislation was introduced to deal with this, but actually has the opposite effect."

But councillor Pat McLoughlin claimed Kinnegad felt "under siege". He said: "People are very uncomfortable and the huge numbers are intimidating. It's not politically correct to say so, but there should be some kind of law to prevent such large convoys travelling around the country."

Independent councillor Robert Bagnall has employed security staff to guard his supermarket business. He said: "They have been highly abusive towards my staff, they are double-parking in the street and tearing around in vans at high speeds giving people the fingers.

"This lot are not Travellers, they are hooligans. There are arrest warrants out for them, so I don't understand why the army aren't sent in if necessary to get them out. They think they can flout the law and they threaten to get compensation off anyone who challenges them."

- Lara Bradley

that report is from the irish telegraph, writen by an irish reporter.
no one can call the reporter racist as is the norm for anyone who dares to speak against the illegal squatters .

We were fortunate enough to sell up and move from Crays Hill before all this nonsense started.

How sad to see that the house we once lived and that we sold for 3/4 million cannot get as much as a house in Craylands now.

All you outraged posters on here tonight who don't live in Crays Hill should be thankful that at least for another year you do not face the possible threat of those evicted families moving onto land next to you.

When they move they will not move far.

Oh and BNP? Don't make me laugh, what is their policy on affordable housing vs greenbelt?

How do they intend to enforce repatriation and reconcile that european law and human rights?

I've never met a BNP supporter that has any idea of the world of politics beyond immigration, and the issues and implications of the bile the spew.

This article is extremely misleading and should be corrected.

What has happened is that an application for a judicial review has been agreed by the High Court. It is then the practise that the Travellers representatives will seek an injunction preventing any further action by the Council until after the judicial review, this costs the taxpayer more legal fees. The same effect can be gained by the undertaking not to evict before the Judicial Review is heard.

The effect is to make no difference to the time of eviction, which cannot be until after the JR.

This Council is absolutely committed to dealing with these issues as quickly as the legal position permits.

I agree that delayed justice does no favours to anyone. The solution is in reforming the programming of High Court cases.

Malcolm Buckley
Leader Basildon Council

Wow thank you malcolm!
I know you must be a busy man with all those community centres you have to close.

Tell me are you coping with the fortnightly rubbish collections? Seen any rats around Chez Buckley lately?

Do you have to take your own rubbish to the tip every other week or do you have someone who does that for you?

very nice letter mr Malcolm Buckley but are you having a laugh with us get of your butt are get something done you said that you are absolutely committed the council should be committed to what???? talk is very very cheap all you do is talk and spend our taxs for what??? pls high court this and that very sad you lot at the council.and you do not want to do a thing like always all talk and no go

bored if you are reading go to our story x x :)

Terry wrote:
All travellers want to do is live a peaceful life , I am not a traveller, but a person with a bit of common sense ! unlike Basildon Billy , and Bill and Doug

Well why can't they do it like we ALL have to?

I have common sense, hense the reason I live by the laws of the land.

Oh and Bored and Tina, get a room lol!

Terry wrote:
All travellers want to do is live a peaceful life , I am not a traveller, but a person with a bit of common sense ! unlike Basildon Billy , and Bill and Doug

They do anything but live a peaceful life, if they lived a peaceful life they wouldnt be disliked so much would they?

c'mon, u boast about common sense but I havent seen u use any of it yet, if they just wanted to live a peaceful life why would the residents of a quiet village be so adamantly determined to get rid of them?

Steve w wrote:
BASILDON PEOPLE THE COUNCIL & MPS HAVE VOTED TO LET THEM STAY BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR RIGHTS HAS ANY ONE ASK US NO YOU SHOULD BE FLOGED & HANG & SHOT AT BAS COUNCIL

I would have thought that this should have been in English. Sadly, it isn't.

I bet this gets deleted...

Steve w wrote:
BASILDON PEOPLE THE COUNCIL & MPS HAVE VOTED TO LET THEM STAY BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR RIGHTS HAS ANY ONE ASK US NO YOU SHOULD BE FLOGED & HANG & SHOT AT BAS COUNCIL

Councillor Buckley has the decency to come on here and explain the real truth, but he gets shouted down by a shedload of bigots.

The likes of Gandy, Gridly, Billy and the rest of them have made me feel sympathetic to the travellers. It's people I couldn't give a rats about either way versus a bunch of racist scrotes.

Fred Freispracher wrote:

Steve w wrote: BASILDON PEOPLE THE COUNCIL & MPS HAVE VOTED TO LET THEM STAY BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR RIGHTS HAS ANY ONE ASK US NO YOU SHOULD BE FLOGED & HANG & SHOT AT BAS COUNCIL

Councillor Buckley has the decency to come on here and explain the real truth, but he gets shouted down by a shedload of bigots. The likes of Gandy, Gridly, Billy and the rest of them have made me feel sympathetic to the travellers. It's people I couldn't give a rats about either way versus a bunch of racist scrotes.

Are you for real???

Sympathetic to the travellers???

Fred Freispracher wrote:

Steve w wrote: BASILDON PEOPLE THE COUNCIL & MPS HAVE VOTED TO LET THEM STAY BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR RIGHTS HAS ANY ONE ASK US NO YOU SHOULD BE FLOGED & HANG & SHOT AT BAS COUNCIL

Councillor Buckley has the decency to come on here and explain the real truth, but he gets shouted down by a shedload of bigots. The likes of Gandy, Gridly, Billy and the rest of them have made me feel sympathetic to the travellers. It's people I couldn't give a rats about either way versus a bunch of racist scrotes.

Come to think of it ALL the stuff you write about is rubbish.

Your comments about missing Maddie were enough to put me off you!

Maybe the ECHO should find out under the freedom of information act, how much it has cost so far in legal aid.

Don't you have to pay back legal aid at some point? Does anyone know on here?

The money that lot have wasted this country is ridiculous. I came back from Ireland a few months ago, the locals were very friendly and they were curious as to what happened with their Irish travellers. They laughed when we told them about Dale Farm saying they know we are a soft touch over here and they are here to stay.

Ireland won't have them back, so why are we lumbered with them?

hi bored, no you dont have to pay legal aid back x x :)

Doug wrote:
Interesting name-calling Tony. Very adult. Care to prove why I am a bigot and an anarchist? Clearly you can't argue against my points, so perhaps you could try to argue in favour of your own, no matter how puerile they may be.

How is it name calling, you are obviously proud to be a bigot and an ancarchist otherwise you would not keep repeating the same purile rubbish.

How can you argue with a bigot, you will not listen to anybody else's point of view. You are an anarchist because you encourage people to break the law and you take great pride in it. Sorry I took so long to answer, but I do have other things to do, I have to work for a living.

you took exactly 3 mins since your last post, god thats a long time :)

It seems that this thread has degenerated into a snidey, bickering argument, perhaps it would be more sensible to stick to the matters in hand.

The fact is that there are law abiding citizens (and, yes, I realise that we all frequently break the law in minor ways, but for most of us these tend not to be aggressive ways) suffering because their illegal neighbours continue, directly and indirectly, to make their lives a misery.

Threatening beahviour, the carrying of firearms, dog fighting, fraud, theft and violence are all more than minor law-breaks, not to mention the fact that the travellers do not legally have a right to the land that they live on.
So, yet again, predictably, the powers that be have stalled to evict them, for reasons beyond me. Perhaps they fear the backlash - so if THEY fear the response of a group of angry travellers, does that not suggest that they do, in fact, realise and acknowledge the intimidation and threat that they pose to the residents every single day?

I agree that everyone should have the right to a happy, healthy existence, including every one of those travellers, but not at the expense of other people's happiness. It would seem that all the human rights are bing taken from the legal residents and handed, on a golden platter, to the travellers.

2 things:-
- The original Echo story has changed a bit, has'nt it? Not a case of the media reporting half-truths, I hope.
- How many Judicial Reviews does there have to be for the Council to do their job & remove these lawbreaking Scroungers
Where are the clowns, send in the clowns!

who cares wrote:
surely these cant be the same travellers that basildon council has taken to court year after year and then just give up. so all our council tax money has been wasted. maybe the travellers should park there vans outside downing street to see how many minutes it will take them to be evicted. i bet it wont take years and why dont travellers go to a holiday park and pay ground rent to the site as they will be able to take there own vans there.

Unfortunately, many holiday sites refuse entry to people purely on the basis that they are Gypsies or Travellers - a situation that is entirely different in France, to give but one example. And with something like 4,000 too few authorised pitches for Gypsies and Travellers across England, many people have no choice but to camp on unauthorised sites. The person from Pittsea who talked about a sensible solution of providing an alternative, authorised site, with proper facilities, where the costs would be met by rent and service charges, has hit the nail on the head.

The person from Pittsea who talked about a sensible solution of providing an alternative, authorised site, with proper facilities, where the costs would be met by rent and service charges, has hit the nail on the head.

Not really has he? why should WE have to pay for these things and have our council spend all this money to accomodate people who would rather live in a caravan?

if they want to park their caravan somewhere, buy some land, if not, get a house like everybody else

Tony wrote:
How can you argue with a bigot, you will not listen to anybody else's point of view. You are an anarchist because you encourage people to break the law and you take great pride in it. Sorry I took so long to answer, but I do have other things to do, I have to work for a living.

I suggest you look up the definitions of bigot and anarchist.

And if you think I am encouraging people to break the law, I would love you to quote me. In fact I have done the exact opposite.

Tony, if you want to comment on this story like everyone else does, then go ahead. But if you want to comment on me, I suggest you go back to work before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

Bigot - somebody who expresses strongly held opinions, expecting them to be accepted without question

Anarchist - somebody who has very strong opinions and tries to overthrow a society’s formal system of government and encourages others to do the break the law.

What do you think these travellers are doing, they are ignoring the Government and the law therefore they are trying to overthrow the law and you are encouraging them to do so under the guise of being tolerant and sympathetic to them. Incidentally, whose resorting to name calling now you know you have lost the argument.

Basildon Billy wrote:

The person from Pittsea who talked about a sensible solution of providing an alternative, authorised site, with proper facilities, where the costs would be met by rent and service charges, has hit the nail on the head.

Not really has he? why should WE have to pay for these things and have our council spend all this money to accomodate people who would rather live in a caravan? if they want to park their caravan somewhere, buy some land, if not, get a house like everybody else

that is what they have done you div,they already own there land

yes, but its greenbelt land u div, its for preserving the countryside, not building homes on, thats why its so cheap

Come on Tony, quote Doug ENCOURAGING people to break the law......

Tony wrote:
Bigot - somebody who expresses strongly held opinions, expecting them to be accepted without question Anarchist - somebody who has very strong opinions and tries to overthrow a society’s formal system of government and encourages others to do the break the law. What do you think these travellers are doing, they are ignoring the Government and the law therefore they are trying to overthrow the law and you are encouraging them to do so under the guise of being tolerant and sympathetic to them. Incidentally, whose resorting to name calling now you know you have lost the argument.

Isn't this page to do with the travellers? This is all very flattering, talking about me. I feel quite flushed.

So Tony - once again, I ask you to demonstrate where I have shown that I expect my opinions to be accepted without question. I ask you to demonstrate where I have encouraged people to break the law. You can't.

You WILL find posts where I have defended the law - and pointed out that many of those who are doing the same are also simultaneously breaking other laws. I expect you (statistically) are likely to be one of them too. If you have never smoked dope, broken the speed limit, paid cash in hand, etc then you are a rare bird indeed. But stating a fact that people break the law is not encouraging, or inciting, them to do so. So your statement is false, defamatory, inaccurate and libellous. And plain silly.

Obviously this tirade of emails trying to pin these labels on me - I must be the only anarchist in the world who votes - means that you disagree with my views.

Good. That's what this forum is for.

All you have to do is actually argue your side, and try to show where my opinions are wrong. I welcome it. (Even though you clearly try to assert the opposite, perhaps because you have no other argument.)

So try me. Put your money where your mouth is.

Or, alternatively, keep hiding behind your keyboard and calling me names. I really don't care.

Just in case you didn't bother looking up the definition of the word PREJUDICED, here it is Tony:

Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion.

I think that word applies to around 65-70% of the above posts! Basildon seems a real nice place to live. NOT.

Re-reading most of the posts above just makes me sick.

Rita, whats it called when house prices drop by £2million due to the largest illegal traveller site in europe being built in a tiny quiet village on greenbelt land?

whats it called when you invest ur life savings into a property and then cant even sell it for half the price u payed for it?

if its PREJUDICED for us not to like them what are Ireland for booting them out?

Look at your comments so far, and on other posts Billy - what do they depict other than hatred, prejudice etc... The story of the young woman being bundled into a car and your comment says it all.

Show me the proof that houses have DROPPED 2 MILLION. Tiny quiet village? The residents and all other traveller stories and comments have put paid to that once quiet village.

If a property had been purchased over 5 years ago I'd say that it would have made a profit, or at least stayed even. Has Crays Hill been removed from the property boom for the last 10 years?

Property is somewhat cheaper in Ireland. Why aren't you there?

Read the artcile about the guy from crays hill who tried to sell his 3/4 of a million house recently, he cant even get asmuch as a house in craylands for it now, why? because of the largest illegal traveller site in europe on his doorstep, whos gonna pay 3/4 million for a house next to a traveller site?

travellers arent disliked for no reason, nobody complains about the romany gipsies, they are actual gipsies, not criminals trying to evade paying tax and expensive land prices

In fact, there's a 3 bed bungalow on Crays Rise, Billericay - propertyfinder.com - it's up for £410,000.

Not bad for a 3 bed bungalow I'd say - or is the seller just dreaming?......

Billy, you seem to have time on your hands so if you could do a property price comparison for Essex I'd be glad to see it....

No-one? You mean NO-one complains about the TRAVELLING Romany Gypsies? The same ones that move on leaving farmers fields strewn with rubbish, oil etc etc - we've all read those stories too.

It's those genuine "travellers/romanies
" that are usually refused entry to pubs etc etc...

A) will it ever sell?

B) look how far from the site it is

C) how much would it have got if the site wasnt there?

D) im saying what i read, i didnt make the prices what they are, nor did i have any imput in the estate agents estimate

Where did you read that property prices had dropped in vicinity of traveller site by 2 MILLION??

The Echo? I guess so..... ;-) You must be aware of all the other "non-stories" that Mr Austin has printed in the past....

Billy, I have no desire to fall out with you but don't you think that all this hatred and bad-feeling should be directed at the people who run your council?

I read it in an article about the travellers, the locals were saying if they are not evicted they will sue them for the 2mil lost in house prices.

OK, if u choose not to believe the echo, maybe you might believe the Report to the Secretary of
State for Communities and
Local Government

http://216.239.59.10
4/search?q=cache:E2-
NGM8kWFEJ:www.commun
ities.gov.uk/pub/108
/InspectorsReport_id
1508108.pdf+crays+hi
ll+house+prices+drop
ped&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd
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the council does get the majority of my hatred, hence me not paying council tax

Rita wrote:
Where did you read that property prices had dropped in vicinity of traveller site by 2 MILLION?? The Echo? I guess so..... ;-) You must be aware of all the other "non-stories" that Mr Austin has printed in the past.... Billy, I have no desire to fall out with you but don't you think that all this hatred and bad-feeling should be directed at the people who run your council?

LOL, What, Basildon council?...The very same council that has just struck a deal with the travellers allowing them to stay until spring.

i think you know who this is bored, message for you on "the story" x x :)

Bored, don't give up!! This is exactly what I mean.

Maybe "anarchy" in Basildon won't be such a bad thing if you feel like this about the council.

Billy, it's not that I don't choose to believe the Echo, there have been some major "errors" in stories of late though, you must admit.

Bless the tavellers if it wasn't for them you would have nothing to talk about and I wouldn't be able to have such a giggle.
I thank you all (including Travellers)

Rita wrote:
Just in case you didn't bother looking up the definition of the word PREJUDICED, here it is Tony: Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion. I think that word applies to around 65-70% of the above posts! Basildon seems a real nice place to live. NOT. Re-reading most of the posts above just makes me sick.

Well, I wouldn'd re-read them then.

Have you just seen on another post that 400 travellers are demanding to be housed together, anarchy or what.

Doug wrote:

Tony wrote: Bigot - somebody who expresses strongly held opinions, expecting them to be accepted without question Anarchist - somebody who has very strong opinions and tries to overthrow a society’s formal system of government and encourages others to do the break the law. What do you think these travellers are doing, they are ignoring the Government and the law therefore they are trying to overthrow the law and you are encouraging them to do so under the guise of being tolerant and sympathetic to them. Incidentally, whose resorting to name calling now you know you have lost the argument.

Isn't this page to do with the travellers? This is all very flattering, talking about me. I feel quite flushed. So Tony - once again, I ask you to demonstrate where I have shown that I expect my opinions to be accepted without question. I ask you to demonstrate where I have encouraged people to break the law. You can't. You WILL find posts where I have defended the law - and pointed out that many of those who are doing the same are also simultaneously breaking other laws. I expect you (statistically) are likely to be one of them too. If you have never smoked dope, broken the speed limit, paid cash in hand, etc then you are a rare bird indeed. But stating a fact that people break the law is not encouraging, or inciting, them to do so. So your statement is false, defamatory, inaccurate and libellous. And plain silly. Obviously this tirade of emails trying to pin these labels on me - I must be the only anarchist in the world who votes - means that you disagree with my views. Good. That's what this forum is for. All you have to do is actually argue your side, and try to show where my opinions are wrong. I welcome it. (Even though you clearly try to assert the opposite, perhaps because you have no other argument.) So try me. Put your money where your mouth is. Or, alternatively, keep hiding behind your keyboard and calling me names. I really don't care.

I have never smoked dope, broke the speed limit (I don't drive)or paid cash in hand for a house. If you have paid cash in hand for a house, you must either be very rich or a traveller.

To make sure I really read what I did, I thought it best to at least re-read the posts, hence my nausea.

At least I read and re-read, before expressing an opinion.

Paul - are you SAINT Paul by any chance? :)

If you've never broken a law, you are doing well.

Either that, or you are six years old...! ;)

Knobby,

Is that why I see you and all the others protesting about ALL greenbelt encroachment - or is it just concentrated in your back yard....?

Have I seen the latest news item? What, you mean another TRAVELLER story, bound to get you all going..... it always does!

.... and how can the travellers be "swanning about the country" AND concentrated on Dale Farm.....

Travellers or Settlers? Make your minds up...

Basildon Billy wrote:
yes, but its greenbelt land u div, its for preserving the countryside, not building homes on, thats why its so cheap

You are a complete fool,greenbelt land yea ok right next to a legal site

See what the Echo are doing here??

Council to LET travellers stay. As if they really have a choice.

Travellers DEMAND housing together....

The Echo certainly know how to get the basildonites going!

Paul wrote:
Lisa seemed to know they would be allowed to stay a few weeks ago.

Quite right Paul. I think I said something like watch this space, can't remember now.

If anyone from Crays Hill would like to pop round to mine later I have an oven full of humble pie that they can eat!!!

Vernon wrote:
Lisa, where are you? Still at Dale Farm partying I suppose lol

Sorry Vernon, my computer was broken last night and it has only just been mended. I am going over there at the weekend if you would like me to pass on your best wishes?

robbie wrote:

Basildon Billy wrote:
yes, but its greenbelt land u div, its for preserving the countryside, not building homes on, thats why its so cheap

You are a complete fool,greenbelt land yea ok right next to a legal site

are u some kind of idiot? explain how i am a fool, they are camped on greenbelt land, it doesnt matter if its next to a legal site, its still greenbelt land they have illegally expanded u tw@

http://www.echo-news

.co.uk/news/newsback

grounders/travellers

thetruth/display.var

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en_belt.php

LOL @ robbie: "You are a complete fool" no sir, you are a complete fool

Rita wrote:
Knobby,

Is that why I see you and all the others protesting about ALL greenbelt encroachment - or is it just concentrated in your back yard....?

Have I seen the latest news item? What, you mean another TRAVELLER story, bound to get you all going..... it always does!

Nope, I am pee'd off at all these people who are trying to scrounge something for nothing. i don't live near Crays Hill (but once did) but am interested in local issues, including greenbelt protection.
For the record, there are many sites across england that have been illegally occupied and I would like our inadquate law changed to ensure they don't get away with it, anywhere. The same goes for all spongers & scroungers whoever & wherever they are.
What I don't understand is how/why some people support them. Don't you mind yr hard earned taxes being wasted on these 'people'.

What I don't understand is how/why some people support them.

exactly


If they have nowhere to go, why dont they go back to where they came from? obviously they lived somewhere else once

Knobby,

Yep, I pay taxes. Have worked constantly for the last 23 years, no breaks. No kids to support. My husband has also worked for this length of time. I went through the 80s, interest rate hikes etc etc same as every other home owner. I do get aggravated when reading about those that get "something for nothing" but it does depend upon circumstance. I totally agree with you that greenbelt is precious. Because I work I can afford a lap-top so am actually typing this and watching the BBC1 and the "saving planet earth" charity event. This is where I'd LOVE my taxes to go. It's not gonna happen. That's why we have most charity events.

I don't think I've ever posted in SUPPORT of the travellers yet I admit I have posted in "defence" of the travellers - if objecting to some of the nasty and needless posts that appear hear often, counts.

I admit too that I am an "outsider" ie I don't live anywhere near Crays Hill etc. I also admit that I wasn't aware of the travellers until browsing the Echo one night and seeing that these stories attract the MOST posts - apart from tragic death etc.

I'm really glad that you are interested in local issues, we need people like you. I just can't help thinking that whilst we're all on these discussion sites about travellers that the "big guys" are getting away with a lot more while our attention is diverted.....

I honestly hope that this will soon be resolved, the bad feeling, the needless insults and puerile comments. We really are only here once. I hope people don't waste their time concentrating on, say, 5 square miles, when there's a whole country, planet even that needs "protecting".

I also agree that ALL should abide by the law. That's not gonna happen either ;-)

Rita wrote:
Knobby, Yep, I pay taxes. Have worked constantly for the last 23 years, no breaks. No kids to support. My husband has also worked for this length of time. I went through the 80s, interest rate hikes etc etc same as every other home owner. I do get aggravated when reading about those that get "something for nothing" but it does depend upon circumstance. I totally agree with you that greenbelt is precious. Because I work I can afford a lap-top so am actually typing this and watching the BBC1 and the "saving planet earth" charity event. This is where I'd LOVE my taxes to go. It's not gonna happen. That's why we have most charity events. I don't think I've ever posted in SUPPORT of the travellers yet I admit I have posted in "defence" of the travellers - if objecting to some of the nasty and needless posts that appear hear often, counts. I admit too that I am an "outsider" ie I don't live anywhere near Crays Hill etc. I also admit that I wasn't aware of the travellers until browsing the Echo one night and seeing that these stories attract the MOST posts - apart from tragic death etc. I'm really glad that you are interested in local issues, we need people like you. I just can't help thinking that whilst we're all on these discussion sites about travellers that the "big guys" are getting away with a lot more while our attention is diverted..... I honestly hope that this will soon be resolved, the bad feeling, the needless insults and puerile comments. We really are only here once. I hope people don't waste their time concentrating on, say, 5 square miles, when there's a whole country, planet even that needs "protecting". I also agree that ALL should abide by the law. That's not gonna happen either ;-)

Well said Rita, I too have always supported rather than scream that they should have something for nothing. Greenbelt land it maybe, that too is up for debate, but look at the Echo this week and the man that was gonna build on greenbelt in Thundersley. How is he any different? The children go to school, that too has been proven and they are doing no harm at all. As for Billy he seems to be totally against them, although I am sure I remember him saying that he once lived with travellers....

Hi Lisa

It's greenbelt alright, but there's a lot more destruction going on right now (and I'm talking Essex this time rather than the "planet") than in a field or two outside Wickford. From what I've read and will reiterate, SEEN, of Dale Farm, it's a whole lot better than the breakers yard/oil and scrap yard dump it was before. Len Gridley of course would never agree with me - I've read (but not witnessed) the removal of the gas canisters at the site. Excellent. I'm even more impressed with our firefighers now I know that it only took REASONING from an adult to actually make a "difference" on that site, for everyone's benefit. Including Len's.

I'm going back to watch Bill Oddie and Kate whatsername on BBC1 now. I think I've used up any space "allowed" by leftie-unemployed, anarchist bigots for one night! ;-)

48 hours off work. I want to enjoy it now, while I can.

Have a good weekend.

Rita wrote:
Hi Lisa It's greenbelt alright, but there's a lot more destruction going on right now (and I'm talking Essex this time rather than the "planet") than in a field or two outside Wickford. From what I've read and will reiterate, SEEN, of Dale Farm, it's a whole lot better than the breakers yard/oil and scrap yard dump it was before. Len Gridley of course would never agree with me - I've read (but not witnessed) the removal of the gas canisters at the site. Excellent. I'm even more impressed with our firefighers now I know that it only took REASONING from an adult to actually make a "difference" on that site, for everyone's benefit. Including Len's. I'm going back to watch Bill Oddie and Kate whatsername on BBC1 now. I think I've used up any space "allowed" by leftie-unemployed, anarchist bigots for one night! ;-) 48 hours off work. I want to enjoy it now, while I can. Have a good weekend.

It certainly is not the eyesore it was once. As you know it is a lovely place with clean, decent and elegant homes, having seen inside of some of them I wouldnt mind living in one of them.
I think enough is enough too Rita so I am off to watch the BB eviction, sad individual that I am!!!

Steve W wrote:
very nice letter mr Malcolm Buckley but are you having a laugh with us get of your butt are get something done you said that you are absolutely committed the council should be committed to what???? talk is very very cheap all you do is talk and spend our taxs for what??? pls high court this and that very sad you lot at the council.and you do not want to do a thing like always all talk and no go

Do you seriously believe that the Council can act in contravention of a High Court injunction?

Whether you support or oppose the Travellers you cannot act until the injunction is lifted and the Court has ruled that will be after the Judicial review hearing which is now likely to be early next year

What a waste of money this all is. They should be made to pay back all these costs. They knew when they purchased that land they couldn't live on it.

Malcolm Buckley wrote:

Steve W wrote: very nice letter mr Malcolm Buckley but are you having a laugh with us get of your butt are get something done you said that you are absolutely committed the council should be committed to what???? talk is very very cheap all you do is talk and spend our taxs for what??? pls high court this and that very sad you lot at the council.and you do not want to do a thing like always all talk and no go

Do you seriously believe that the Council can act in contravention of a High Court injunction? Whether you support or oppose the Travellers you cannot act until the injunction is lifted and the Court has ruled that will be after the Judicial review hearing which is now likely to be early next year

Mr Buckley,
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that Buckley is a traditional traveller/gyspy name? If so then how can you possible find it within yourself to condemn them?
Also if they evitction goes ahead in Spring, which I do not think it will, how on earth will you find enough temp accomodation in which to house all of those that will and have a legal right to make a homeless application?
Do not take any of what I said as a personal slight, I am pleased that someone with insight is at last posting on here regarding this issue.

Malcolm Buckley wrote:

Steve W wrote:
very nice letter mr Malcolm Buckley but are you having a laugh with us get of your butt are get something done you said that you are absolutely committed the council should be committed to what???? talk is very very cheap all you do is talk and spend our taxs for what??? pls high court this and that very sad you lot at the council.and you do not want to do a thing like always all talk and no go

Do you seriously believe that the Council can act in contravention of a High Court injunction?

Whether you support or oppose the Travellers you cannot act until the injunction is lifted and the Court has ruled that will be after the Judicial review hearing which is now likely to be early next year

Hello Mr Buckley, welcome to Basildon's fluffy little discussion group.
A couple of questions if I may:-
1) were the squatters at Dale Farm included in the 2001 census (a legal requirement)?
2) do the authorities know the exact numbers & relationships of the Dale Farm dwellers at any one time when dishing out tax payers money for income support etc.
3) do the Squatters pay council tax (and how)
4) If there was a high court injunction in place, why have the papers been reporting that 11 families had to be evicted by 6th July 2007.

knobby wrote:

Malcolm Buckley wrote:

Steve W wrote: very nice letter mr Malcolm Buckley but are you having a laugh with us get of your butt are get something done you said that you are absolutely committed the council should be committed to what???? talk is very very cheap all you do is talk and spend our taxs for what??? pls high court this and that very sad you lot at the council.and you do not want to do a thing like always all talk and no go

Do you seriously believe that the Council can act in contravention of a High Court injunction? Whether you support or oppose the Travellers you cannot act until the injunction is lifted and the Court has ruled that will be after the Judicial review hearing which is now likely to be early next year

Hello Mr Buckley, welcome to Basildon's fluffy little discussion group. A couple of questions if I may:- 1) were the squatters at Dale Farm included in the 2001 census (a legal requirement)? 2) do the authorities know the exact numbers & relationships of the Dale Farm dwellers at any one time when dishing out tax payers money for income support etc. 3) do the Squatters pay council tax (and how) 4) If there was a high court injunction in place, why have the papers been reporting that 11 families had to be evicted by 6th July 2007.

I can answer number 2 for you and the answer is yes they do pay council tax. As I said earlier this was confirmed by Jon Austin on an earlier one about travellers. They was an injunction in place but the families put in further paperwork which allowed leave to stay pending a review.

So they pay council tax, so what, so does everybody else. They are still breaking the law by living in Dale Farm. Your only argument is that other people break the law, but actually most people do not. People are as plssed off about the lenient sentences that all law breakers get whether they are travellers or not; but most law breakers are not so "in your face" about their wrong doing as the travellers therefore they do not get such a strong reaction from people.

walby wrote:
that report is from the irish telegraph, writen by an irish reporter. no one can call the reporter racist as is the norm for anyone who dares to speak against the illegal squatters .

I bet you are the type of person who tells the old bill your neighbours car tax is out

robbie wrote:

walby wrote: that report is from the irish telegraph, writen by an irish reporter. no one can call the reporter racist as is the norm for anyone who dares to speak against the illegal squatters .

I bet you are the type of person who tells the old bill your neighbours car tax is out

Lol, I am sure he isnt all bad Robbie, although saying that as the reporter is Irish herself then she cant be racist is quite possibly one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. Doesnt make a **** bit of difference, you can be a black african and still be racist towards the other black africans.

Derek wrote:
So they pay council tax, so what, so does everybody else. They are still breaking the law by living in Dale Farm. Your only argument is that other people break the law, but actually most people do not. People are as plssed off about the lenient sentences that all law breakers get whether they are travellers or not; but most law breakers are not so "in your face" about their wrong doing as the travellers therefore they do not get such a strong reaction from people.

"So they pay council tax, so what, so does everybody else."

Except Basildon Billy, evidently.

Clearly the modern equivalent of Wat Tyler. What a man.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

knobby wrote:

Malcolm Buckley wrote:

Steve W wrote: very nice letter mr Malcolm Buckley but are you having a laugh with us get of your butt are get something done you said that you are absolutely committed the council should be committed to what???? talk is very very cheap all you do is talk and spend our taxs for what??? pls high court this and that very sad you lot at the council.and you do not want to do a thing like always all talk and no go

Do you seriously believe that the Council can act in contravention of a High Court injunction? Whether you support or oppose the Travellers you cannot act until the injunction is lifted and the Court has ruled that will be after the Judicial review hearing which is now likely to be early next year

Hello Mr Buckley, welcome to Basildon's fluffy little discussion group. A couple of questions if I may:- 1) were the squatters at Dale Farm included in the 2001 census (a legal requirement)? 2) do the authorities know the exact numbers & relationships of the Dale Farm dwellers at any one time when dishing out tax payers money for income support etc. 3) do the Squatters pay council tax (and how) 4) If there was a high court injunction in place, why have the papers been reporting that 11 families had to be evicted by 6th July 2007.

I can answer number 2 for you and the answer is yes they do pay council tax. As I said earlier this was confirmed by Jon Austin on an earlier one about travellers. They was an injunction in place but the families put in further paperwork which allowed leave to stay pending a review.

Hi Lisa, is that just the legal dwellers or all of them that pay council tax. I can't believe that the Council can charge people when they are not supposed to be there (despite what J Austin says) I wonder if I will get a response from Mr Buckley?