Doug wrote:
\"these people are absolute pigs with no morality at all\" Crikey Vernon, that\'s a bit strong isn\'t it? Fair enough if you disagree with, or even dislike, people... but this is getting dangerously close to \"untermenschen\" and \"cockroaches\" and other labels used to dehumanise people just before they are subjected to organised genocide. \"I can think of no other part of society that is so troublesome and arrogant with it\" I can.

Doug wrote:
I would love to, Robbie, where can I see this? I only ask because my (British-born) Muslim friend can't get a council house of any size, and is having to wait for years. Just like everyone else does. He's not complaining, but if he can get fast-tracked into a mansion I am sure he would be interested to know. Actually, I would also love to know which councils have six-bed houses on their books. I've never seen such a thing before.

happy chappy wrote:
I live near my parents, my Gran, and my Aunt and uncle it\\\'s nice.

I only ask because my (British-born) Muslim friend can't get a council house of any size, and is having to wait for years.

evilc wrote:
Yet another example of 'New Labour' human rights policies working to the full benefit of the Lawless!! These scum ridden thugs should be sent back to Irleand who know exactly how to deal with them. They are an utter disgrace to the Irish who must feel ashamed of them.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

evilc wrote: Yet another example of 'New Labour' human rights policies working to the full benefit of the Lawless!! These scum ridden thugs should be sent back to Irleand who know exactly how to deal with them. They are an utter disgrace to the Irish who must feel ashamed of them.

You really do come across as a horrid little individual when you post things like that. People are people no matter where they are from, we are all the same under the colour of our skin or no matter what our accent or culture is. Live and let live. They pay council tax to live there, a fact confirmed by Jon Austin himself.

Paul wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

evilc wrote: Yet another example of 'New Labour' human rights policies working to the full benefit of the Lawless!! These scum ridden thugs should be sent back to Irleand who know exactly how to deal with them. They are an utter disgrace to the Irish who must feel ashamed of them.

You really do come across as a horrid little individual when you post things like that. People are people no matter where they are from, we are all the same under the colour of our skin or no matter what our accent or culture is. Live and let live. They pay council tax to live there, a fact confirmed by Jon Austin himself.

Oh, they pay council tax do they, so that's alright then is it. You really do come across as totally gullible or someone who has a hidden agenda. We are not all the same under the colour of our skin. Some people are decent, honest and law abiding and some are not.

Doug wrote:
I would love to, Robbie, where can I see this?

I only ask because my (British-born) Muslim friend can\'t get a council house of any size, and is having to wait for years. Just like everyone else does. He\'s not complaining, but if he can get fast-tracked into a mansion I am sure he would be interested to know.

Actually, I would also love to know which councils have six-bed houses on their books. I\'ve never seen such a thing before.

Basildon Billy wrote:

I only ask because my (British-born) Muslim friend can\'t get a council house of any size, and is having to wait for years.

theres your answer, its muslim immigrants that are favoure dover brits, not british born ones.

Why does Basildon Council HAVE to house them all? they CHOSE to come here, nobody forced them

Lisa Jensen wrote:
I just knew this one would provoke all the usual reactions. I am not sure that demanding a special traveller school is right though, I think if they are asking the communities as a whole to accept them, which of course they should anyways, then this is not the way to do it. Under current homeless legislation the council do have a duty to rehouse anyone with children or anyone with medical needs until a full and FAIR homeless investigation has been completed. It would be far cheaper to allow them to live where they are already settled.

Fred Freispracher wrote:

Basildon Billy wrote:

I only ask because my (British-born) Muslim friend can\'t get a council house of any size, and is having to wait for years.

theres your answer, its muslim immigrants that are favoure dover brits, not british born ones. Why does Basildon Council HAVE to house them all? they CHOSE to come here, nobody forced them

They don't have to house them. In fact they can't, under law, house them. Why don't you smeg off back to Dagenham with all the rest of the racist scrotes?

Fred Freispracher wrote:

Basildon Billy wrote:

I only ask because my (British-born) Muslim friend can\'t get a council house of any size, and is having to wait for years.

theres your answer, its muslim immigrants that are favoure dover brits, not british born ones.

Why does Basildon Council HAVE to house them all? they CHOSE to come here, nobody forced them

They don't have to house them.

In fact they can't, under law, house them.

Why don't you smeg off back to Dagenham with all the rest of the racist scrotes?

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Paul wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

evilc wrote: Yet another example of 'New Labour' human rights policies working to the full benefit of the Lawless!! These scum ridden thugs should be sent back to Irleand who know exactly how to deal with them. They are an utter disgrace to the Irish who must feel ashamed of them.

You really do come across as a horrid little individual when you post things like that. People are people no matter where they are from, we are all the same under the colour of our skin or no matter what our accent or culture is. Live and let live. They pay council tax to live there, a fact confirmed by Jon Austin himself.

Oh, they pay council tax do they, so that's alright then is it. You really do come across as totally gullible or someone who has a hidden agenda. We are not all the same under the colour of our skin. Some people are decent, honest and law abiding and some are not.

Well paying the council tax gives them as much right as anyone else to live somewhere and to make use of public amenties. I do not have a hidden agenda and I am not gullible either. I just hate any kind of injustice and I cant bare people who are narrow minded. I am open to debate and there are times, as earlier, when I post things that are not pro-traveller. But Paul, we are all the same under the skin, our hearts beat the same and we all have the same basic human needs no matter where we are from. Being decent, law abiding and honest... There are travellers who are like that and there are house dwellers who are not, good and bad in all I am afraid.

Fred Freispracher wrote:

Basildon Billy wrote:

I only ask because my (British-born) Muslim friend can\'t get a council house of any size, and is having to wait for years.

theres your answer, its muslim immigrants that are favoure dover brits, not british born ones. Why does Basildon Council HAVE to house them all? they CHOSE to come here, nobody forced them

They don't have to house them. In fact they can't, under law, house them. Why don't you smeg off back to Dagenham with all the rest of the racist scrotes?

Vernon wrote:
Re:Council Tax payments, the people on the illegal sites are not recognized as legal residents, therefore any attempt by the council to collect council tax would be an acknowledgement of their right to reside there.The only council tax payments collected are, as I understand it, from the legal residents

Mike wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote: I just knew this one would provoke all the usual reactions. I am not sure that demanding a special traveller school is right though, I think if they are asking the communities as a whole to accept them, which of course they should anyways, then this is not the way to do it. Under current homeless legislation the council do have a duty to rehouse anyone with children or anyone with medical needs until a full and FAIR homeless investigation has been completed. It would be far cheaper to allow them to live where they are already settled.

"I just knew that this one would provoke the usueal reaction" It certainly did didn't it Lisa - I just knew you'd be spouting the same old rot. So now you think that the law should be ignored because it costs money to uphold? Bizarre !

walby wrote:
im off first thing on monday to join the bnp. sick to death of limp wristed namby pamby councils out to feather their own nest.

walby wrote:
im off first thing on monday to join the bnp. sick to death of limp wristed namby pamby councils out to feather their own nest.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

walby wrote: im off first thing on monday to join the bnp. sick to death of limp wristed namby pamby councils out to feather their own nest.

Oh dear Walby, is your nose put slightly out of joint over this? I told you this was going to happen a while ago, but you chose to ignore it and post silly little chinese whisper type comments. Well that is it now, they will win in Spring and there will be nothing you can do about it. I suggest you try and get on with them, you and the rest of the Crays Hill Hate Group and watch your blood pressure.

Andy wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

walby wrote: im off first thing on monday to join the bnp. sick to death of limp wristed namby pamby councils out to feather their own nest.

Oh dear Walby, is your nose put slightly out of joint over this? I told you this was going to happen a while ago, but you chose to ignore it and post silly little chinese whisper type comments. Well that is it now, they will win in Spring and there will be nothing you can do about it. I suggest you try and get on with them, you and the rest of the Crays Hill Hate Group and watch your blood pressure.

How do you know they will win the Spring, has it already been paid for?

Brian wrote:
But the point is that they had homes in Ireland and made themselves homeless by coming here. Why should we now have to rehome them. They made themselves homeless and broke the law by building on greenbelt land. Also, they can pay thousands of pounds cash in hand to buy land and property therefore they can buy their own homes, they do not need to be rehoused by the council.

Brian wrote:
But the point is that they had homes in Ireland and made themselves homeless by coming here. Why should we now have to rehome them. They made themselves homeless and broke the law by building on greenbelt land. Also, they can pay thousands of pounds cash in hand to buy land and property therefore they can buy their own homes, they do not need to be rehoused by the council.

Basildon Billy wrote:

Fred Freispracher wrote:

Basildon Billy wrote:

I only ask because my (British-born) Muslim friend can\\\'t get a council house of any size, and is having to wait for years.

theres your answer, its muslim immigrants that are favoure dover brits, not british born ones.

Why does Basildon Council HAVE to house them all? they CHOSE to come here, nobody forced them

They don\'t have to house them.

In fact they can\'t, under law, house them.

Why don\'t you smeg off back to Dagenham with all the rest of the racist scrotes?

I was asking why basildon council has to house the travellers, not muslims u retard, hence the giant gap between the 2 paragraphs

why dont u smeg off back to school cos it obviously didnt teach u anything

Basildon Billy wrote:
A council tax refusal of payment would work i reckon, but it needs unity, imagine if hundreds of people all refused to pay council tax, they would have to act, or they would be skint, it would at least show them how many people have had enough, at the moment theres plenty of people talking about it but its only ever 2 or 3 people that actually do it.

The council isnt doing what you pay them for, so why pay them? you wouldnt pay a plumber if he didnt do the work, or said you would have to wait till next year, why is this any different?

Fred Freispracher wrote:

Basildon Billy wrote:

Fred Freispracher wrote:

Basildon Billy wrote:

I only ask because my (British-born) Muslim friend can\\\'t get a council house of any size, and is having to wait for years.

theres your answer, its muslim immigrants that are favoure dover brits, not british born ones. Why does Basildon Council HAVE to house them all? they CHOSE to come here, nobody forced them

They don\'t have to house them. In fact they can\'t, under law, house them. Why don\'t you smeg off back to Dagenham with all the rest of the racist scrotes?

I was asking why basildon council has to house the travellers, not muslims u retard, hence the giant gap between the 2 paragraphs why dont u smeg off back to school cos it obviously didnt teach u anything

It did teach me something, young William. It taught me to spell. It also taught me to make clear, concise, arguments. Sadly, your school did neither of those things. Actually, I may be wrong. You're probably one of those people who skived off all the time, and thought reading books made you homosexual.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Brian wrote: But the point is that they had homes in Ireland and made themselves homeless by coming here. Why should we now have to rehome them. They made themselves homeless and broke the law by building on greenbelt land. Also, they can pay thousands of pounds cash in hand to buy land and property therefore they can buy their own homes, they do not need to be rehoused by the council.

That is a very valid point that you have made. They did not in fact though make themselves homeless by coming here did they? Some of them are living quite legally on the site and others have built on what is said to be greenbelt, they will say though that it is not, that I do not know for a fact. They brought the land for how much? Not enough to buy a house that is for sure and unless they are earning a certain amount they would not get a mortgage. There are many people that live in council houses in this country that dont deserve to have them, many that have got them through fraud or who have got themselves pregnant at a young age to exploit the system. This will always happen and it will never change. Why should they not do it if they can? It does p1ss me off when I see blatent exploitation, but it is the goverment that allows this to go on day in and day out.

Bored wrote:
YOUR school didn't teach you about decorum judging by your comments about Maddie did it old boy.

Is that what you mean about clear, concise arguments?

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Vernon wrote: Re:Council Tax payments, the people on the illegal sites are not recognized as legal residents, therefore any attempt by the council to collect council tax would be an acknowledgement of their right to reside there.The only council tax payments collected are, as I understand it, from the legal residents

Don't know about that, I do know though that Jon Austin said they pay it. He answered my question on one of these one day. I said as you have that if they are all paying council tax then in effect they have entered a contract with the council and the council are in effect acknowledging there right to be there. Jon if you are reading these can you clarify please?

Jon Austin wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Vernon wrote: Re:Council Tax payments, the people on the illegal sites are not recognized as legal residents, therefore any attempt by the council to collect council tax would be an acknowledgement of their right to reside there.The only council tax payments collected are, as I understand it, from the legal residents

Don't know about that, I do know though that Jon Austin said they pay it. He answered my question on one of these one day. I said as you have that if they are all paying council tax then in effect they have entered a contract with the council and the council are in effect acknowledging there right to be there. Jon if you are reading these can you clarify please?

The council collects council tax from at least some, if not all of the illegal plots at Dale Farm and Hovefields. It is not just the legal pitches. This, I am told is because if you remain in an area, regardless of planning permission, you can be considered to be using local services. If a council tax payer were on benefits they may get some or all of the council tax paid for them.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Jon Austin wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Vernon wrote: Re:Council Tax payments, the people on the illegal sites are not recognized as legal residents, therefore any attempt by the council to collect council tax would be an acknowledgement of their right to reside there.The only council tax payments collected are, as I understand it, from the legal residents

Don't know about that, I do know though that Jon Austin said they pay it. He answered my question on one of these one day. I said as you have that if they are all paying council tax then in effect they have entered a contract with the council and the council are in effect acknowledging there right to be there. Jon if you are reading these can you clarify please?

The council collects council tax from at least some, if not all of the illegal plots at Dale Farm and Hovefields. It is not just the legal pitches. This, I am told is because if you remain in an area, regardless of planning permission, you can be considered to be using local services. If a council tax payer were on benefits they may get some or all of the council tax paid for them.

Thank you. Current benefit legislation is that if someone is on income support then they are usually entitled to full council tax benefit, if on jsa or some other benefits then they may be entitled to some help. I would say though Jon that if the council are recieving payment for the services the travellers are using then they have entered a contract with them is sorts and I would also go as far as to hazard a guess at this being part of the reason it is proving so difficult to make them leave. Paper trails are very hard to deny.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Jon Austin wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Vernon wrote: Re:Council Tax payments, the people on the illegal sites are not recognized as legal residents, therefore any attempt by the council to collect council tax would be an acknowledgement of their right to reside there.The only council tax payments collected are, as I understand it, from the legal residents

Don't know about that, I do know though that Jon Austin said they pay it. He answered my question on one of these one day. I said as you have that if they are all paying council tax then in effect they have entered a contract with the council and the council are in effect acknowledging there right to be there. Jon if you are reading these can you clarify please?

The council collects council tax from at least some, if not all of the illegal plots at Dale Farm and Hovefields. It is not just the legal pitches. This, I am told is because if you remain in an area, regardless of planning permission, you can be considered to be using local services. If a council tax payer were on benefits they may get some or all of the council tax paid for them.

Thank you. Current benefit legislation is that if someone is on income support then they are usually entitled to full council tax benefit, if on jsa or some other benefits then they may be entitled to some help. I would say though Jon that if the council are recieving payment for the services the travellers are using then they have entered a contract with them is sorts and I would also go as far as to hazard a guess at this being part of the reason it is proving so difficult to make them leave. Paper trails are very hard to deny.

Derek wrote:
It does not give them the right to "demand" to be housed together either.

virgin commenter wrote:
oh im sorry i beg to differ, i read your posts and some of them were really upsetting, you were out of order with the comments and i just hope that her parents never got to see them, alot of people on posts agreed that you was very insencative and i dare say you will pull me up on my spelling as well as that seems to be another thing you like to do

Derek wrote:
It does not give them the right to "demand" to be housed together either.

Fred Freispracher wrote:

virgin commenter wrote: oh im sorry i beg to differ, i read your posts and some of them were really upsetting, you were out of order with the comments and i just hope that her parents never got to see them, alot of people on posts agreed that you was very insencative and i dare say you will pull me up on my spelling as well as that seems to be another thing you like to do

OK, show me where I was "insencative", how I was "insencative" and why I was "insencative" and I'll hiold my hands up. For what it's worth, it's not just your spelling, it's your grammar and punctuation as well. A sad indictment of our education system!

Doug wrote:
I am intrigued. I keep reading comments about how FF wrote something apparently unforgiveable about Maddie. What could it have been? Has she been canonised while I was looking the other way? Fred's surname, by the way, is a clue. It means Free Speaker. Perhaps he is exercising that right - and on occasion perhaps he is also using it to provoke some outrage. Plenty of people on here do that. Me included. While it is very sad what happened to Maddie, it also happens to plenty of other kids, and nothing is said. Millions of children in the developing world "live" in total squalor and disease, and have to work in filthy conditions from the age of 3. No school. No life. Some might say their lives are as bad, or worse, than Maddie's. And I don't see them all over the tabloids every morning. I haven't read FF's comments but let's try to keep a sense of perspective. I respect you Tina, so I won't go on any more about this.

tina wrote:
the vicar seems to have dissappeared off the face of the earth :(