How are the roads around this area going to cope with the extra cars on the road?

More homes for immigrants no doubt

I desperately want this to be some kind of joke? A couple of months ago the government announced £xx? to 'possibly' improve the A127 sainsburys junction; which with a miracle and some sensible planning might just bring the traffic problem there back to a level playing field. Now, Lets take the minimum scenario of an extra 2'700 houses trying to use the surrounding roads and apply a very reasonable figure of 1.2 cars per household: 3240 cars.
An extra 3000/4000 cars in this area, at 8-9am, and 4-6pm every day is utterly inconcievable? Anyone who uses the roads around this junction at the 127 knows that on a normal day it takes the best part of 30 minutes on a good day to get through as it currently stands. This is without an accident on the a127, which when it unforunately occurs then causes congestion on every other road in a 5 mile radius. The fact of the matter is that the roundabout is even bad on a saturday and sunday. I should know, i live next door to it. I understand the council/government is under pressure to meet targets set by people who don't have any idea about the implications of their figures and thats a shame. But all over the country we are heading for a big problem, because the bottom line is there is simply too many of us. Thats another problem entirely! If the council is geniunely serious about having more housing for Basildon, then they need to supply at least an equal investment, and show an equal interest in infrastructure! I would imagine the odds on the above are slim though particularly as we don't seem to be able to even look after the roads we already have! (POTHOLES!) rant rant rant.

Money speaks Many languages?

Hardly environmentally friendly to build more homes in an area where none are needed or wanted is it?
How do we ensure that none go to people from outside the borough or to British rather than immigrants?

Nigel wrote:
Hardly environmentally friendly to build more homes in an area where none are needed or wanted is it? How do we ensure that none go to people from outside the borough or to British rather than immigrants?

I fear the end of my final sentence, which was of course not meant to read as it does, may be sadly prophetic!

It somehow amazes me that suddenly there appears to be no need for this bridge. How the hell are the vehicles generated by this idea if it goes ahead going to access A127 etc, the area is gridlocked during rush hours etc as it is.Yes we dont need any more immigrants in Basildon,what about a fence round Canvey and putting them all there

Hold on so the previous plan for a business park collapsed cos there is no money to improve the roads, so let chuck a few thousand homes their instead. I assume the people who will be living their will be using bikes, or their own personal transmat, to get around?

Nothing like a bit of joined up thinking!

".....including large, upmarket properties in secluded woodland.."
There were already a number of houses on site that fitted that description, now they are being demolished!I'd be absolutely disgusted if I were one of the unfortunates who have lost their homes to greedy developers!

Yet more immigrants will flood Basildon no doubt. They should tell us what percentage will be going to British people. I am all for helping the needy but its going to get to a point where the British are in more need than the immigrants.

Where is all the immigrant stuff coming from? This is likely to be a private development available to purchasers in the open market. Plans still need to be worked up too, which will involve the highways issued etc etc. In terms of residential vs business park, the traffic movements of new housing will be much less than the proposed business park that would have created 8000 jobs, plus hundreds of lorry movements per day. Better also to deliver housing on a non green belt site surely rather than elsewhere for instance? The highways issue will have to be considered before plans are submitted, and I envisage there would be a large requirement on the developer to provide adequate infrastructure improvements, without the need for a new bridge.

Now wouldn't a much better site be about 3/4 mile North and 1/2 mile West ... Oh, sorry it's green belt and already housing large numbers :-(

Nigel wrote:

Nigel wrote:
Hardly environmentally friendly to build more homes in an area where none are needed or wanted is it? How do we ensure that none go to people from outside the borough or to British rather than immigrants?

I fear the end of my final sentence, which was of course not meant to read as it does, may be sadly prophetic!

I’m sick to death of all this whinging about immigrants every time someone says we need more houses. If anyone thinks the government just gives away houses to immigrants then they really should go see a psychologist.

Most immigrants who come here to work aren’t allowed to claim benefit until they’ve paid years of NI contributions. Illegal immigrants, and I don’t deny there are some, cannot just walk up and buy a house. Asylum seekers can’t buy houses. So the only immigrants who can buy houses are people who are legally earning a living in our country and are paying our taxes quite fairly, in which case does anyone object?

these homes will include some council houses, they have to for planning permission - fact . Council homes are given to asylum seekers first because they go to the top of the waiting list - fact. asylum seekers are immigrants - fact.

I hope it is houses for the workers AND NOT THE SHIRKERS!!

I hope it is a condition that workers only need apply like Australia and New Zealand do.

NO MORE BENEFIT AND LARGE IMMIGRANT FAMILY SCROUNGERS PLEASE!!

bob wrote:
these homes will include some council houses, they have to for planning permission - fact . Council homes are given to asylum seekers first because they go to the top of the waiting list - fact. asylum seekers are immigrants - fact.

NOT FACT! Absolute rubbish in fact.

1) I can't speak for Basildon, but Southend Council only provides support for about 20 asylum seeking families. Not exactly going swamp 4,500 homes.

2) The number of asylum cases has dropped like a stone in recent years (partly thanks to Sangatte closing, partly thanks to the fact the Balkans are now safe to resettle people).

3) Those very few new cases we do get are dealt with by central government and do not go on council waiting lists in any case.

4) Developments do not have to have council houses to get planning permission. They may be required to designate a certain percentage of the development as ‘affordable’. What percentage and what constitutes ‘affordable’ is largely at the discretion of the council.

Will you be around to apologise for misleading people when this is built and there aren’t any asylum seekers to be seen, probably not. Try engaging your brain before posting next time...

Fed Up wrote:

bob wrote: these homes will include some council houses, they have to for planning permission - fact . Council homes are given to asylum seekers first because they go to the top of the waiting list - fact. asylum seekers are immigrants - fact.

NOT FACT! Absolute rubbish in fact. 1) I can't speak for Basildon, but Southend Council only provides support for about 20 asylum seeking families. Not exactly going swamp 4,500 homes. 2) The number of asylum cases has dropped like a stone in recent years (partly thanks to Sangatte closing, partly thanks to the fact the Balkans are now safe to resettle people). 3) Those very few new cases we do get are dealt with by central government and do not go on council waiting lists in any case. 4) Developments do not have to have council houses to get planning permission. They may be required to designate a certain percentage of the development as ‘affordable’. What percentage and what constitutes ‘affordable’ is largely at the discretion of the council. Will you be around to apologise for misleading people when this is built and there aren’t any asylum seekers to be seen, probably not. Try engaging your brain before posting next time...

How about the sheer number of people coming here?

Any comment on that from the Labour Spin Factory?

I bet it includes the words "benefits the economy...."

Earl of Flatulencia wrote:

Fed Up wrote:

bob wrote: these homes will include some council houses, they have to for planning permission - fact . Council homes are given to asylum seekers first because they go to the top of the waiting list - fact. asylum seekers are immigrants - fact.

NOT FACT! Absolute rubbish in fact. 1) I can't speak for Basildon, but Southend Council only provides support for about 20 asylum seeking families. Not exactly going swamp 4,500 homes. 2) The number of asylum cases has dropped like a stone in recent years (partly thanks to Sangatte closing, partly thanks to the fact the Balkans are now safe to resettle people). 3) Those very few new cases we do get are dealt with by central government and do not go on council waiting lists in any case. 4) Developments do not have to have council houses to get planning permission. They may be required to designate a certain percentage of the development as ‘affordable’. What percentage and what constitutes ‘affordable’ is largely at the discretion of the council. Will you be around to apologise for misleading people when this is built and there aren’t any asylum seekers to be seen, probably not. Try engaging your brain before posting next time...

How about the sheer number of people coming here?

Any comment on that from the Labour Spin Factory?

I bet it includes the words "benefits the economy...."

The thing that annoys me is this urban myth that if you’re an immigrant you can just march up to a benefit office and get this, that, and the other.

‘Everyone’ knows it, but if you enquire about how they’ll say they were told by their brother-in-law’s uncle’s ex-girlfriend or something.

Immigrants who work and pay taxes can afford a decent place to live. Those who don’t, can’t. End of.

Fed Up wrote:

Earl of Flatulencia wrote:

Fed Up wrote:

bob wrote: these homes will include some council houses, they have to for planning permission - fact . Council homes are given to asylum seekers first because they go to the top of the waiting list - fact. asylum seekers are immigrants - fact.

NOT FACT! Absolute rubbish in fact. 1) I can't speak for Basildon, but Southend Council only provides support for about 20 asylum seeking families. Not exactly going swamp 4,500 homes. 2) The number of asylum cases has dropped like a stone in recent years (partly thanks to Sangatte closing, partly thanks to the fact the Balkans are now safe to resettle people). 3) Those very few new cases we do get are dealt with by central government and do not go on council waiting lists in any case. 4) Developments do not have to have council houses to get planning permission. They may be required to designate a certain percentage of the development as ‘affordable’. What percentage and what constitutes ‘affordable’ is largely at the discretion of the council. Will you be around to apologise for misleading people when this is built and there aren’t any asylum seekers to be seen, probably not. Try engaging your brain before posting next time...

How about the sheer number of people coming here?

Any comment on that from the Labour Spin Factory?

I bet it includes the words "benefits the economy...."

The thing that annoys me is this urban myth that if you’re an immigrant you can just march up to a benefit office and get this, that, and the other.

‘Everyone’ knows it, but if you enquire about how they’ll say they were told by their brother-in-law’s uncle’s ex-girlfriend or something.

Immigrants who work and pay taxes can afford a decent place to live. Those who don’t, can’t. End of.

get the government out its as simple as that.

lets be sensible here
fact-- we do not have the infastructure re roads/schools/hospit
als/train capacity for 4500 houses

if we look at Chafford Hundred or little jamaica as the locals call it.
NO THANKS
WHY DONT LABOUR BUILD THIS TOWN IN POLAND OR AFRICA , it would be so much cheaper to build and would probably be the greener way to do things rather than have the Immigrants travel all that way to Basildon

Fed Up wrote:

Earl of Flatulencia wrote:

Fed Up wrote:

bob wrote: these homes will include some council houses, they have to for planning permission - fact . Council homes are given to asylum seekers first because they go to the top of the waiting list - fact. asylum seekers are immigrants - fact.

NOT FACT! Absolute rubbish in fact. 1) I can't speak for Basildon, but Southend Council only provides support for about 20 asylum seeking families. Not exactly going swamp 4,500 homes. 2) The number of asylum cases has dropped like a stone in recent years (partly thanks to Sangatte closing, partly thanks to the fact the Balkans are now safe to resettle people). 3) Those very few new cases we do get are dealt with by central government and do not go on council waiting lists in any case. 4) Developments do not have to have council houses to get planning permission. They may be required to designate a certain percentage of the development as ‘affordable’. What percentage and what constitutes ‘affordable’ is largely at the discretion of the council. Will you be around to apologise for misleading people when this is built and there aren’t any asylum seekers to be seen, probably not. Try engaging your brain before posting next time...

How about the sheer number of people coming here? Any comment on that from the Labour Spin Factory? I bet it includes the words "benefits the economy...."

The thing that annoys me is this urban myth that if you’re an immigrant you can just march up to a benefit office and get this, that, and the other. ‘Everyone’ knows it, but if you enquire about how they’ll say they were told by their brother-in-law’s uncle’s ex-girlfriend or something. Immigrants who work and pay taxes can afford a decent place to live. Those who don’t, can’t. End of.

Still didn't answer the question about sheer numbers though, did you, fed up?

Presumable the 8000 proposed permanente jobs are no longer required. shallotman