"The local elections are about local issues and getting things done and I can't think of one concrete thing the BNP has achieved in 40 or so councils across the UK."

Funny. I can't thing or a single thing the Lib Dems have done either. Apart from asking their members to abstain from a vote on the EU constitution.

Very liberal.

In fact, the Lib Dems essentially handed our rule to Europe.

I believe that the BNP in general are brave individuals who risk public abuse to stand for our country. It is no longer a racist party but a realistic choice that can make a difference.

By the way, before the usual mob come on here and start throwing insults and making claims of "fascist/racist" I would ask you to check out what the BNP really believe instead of believing everything you hear in the media. I am no BNP member or racist but I feel let down by the mainstream parties in so many ways.

Some of the BNP's economic policies make sense (apart from the fact I'm pro Europe) but other than that it is still too much of a racist party. And as well as that, no matter what the people at the top of the party say, it'll still attract knuckle-dragging thugs and idiots to its ranks which help give the party its reputation.

I don't think it's very appropriate for a churchman to join it, whatever happened to 'love thy neighbour'?

The BNP are clearly racist, and a bunch of thugs, but unfortunately, the main parties, and of course particularly Labour, have buried their heads in the sand and still do.
When William Hague, hardly an extremist, and undoubtedly the best brain in British politics, tried to raise immigration as a serious issue in the 2001 general election campaign, he was branded a racist by the very same Labour ministers who have created today's immigration crisis.
If nothing is done, the BNP will gain support and the mainstream politicians will only have themselves to blame.

Dan wrote:
Some of the BNP's economic policies make sense (apart from the fact I'm pro Europe) but other than that it is still too much of a racist party. And as well as that, no matter what the people at the top of the party say, it'll still attract knuckle-dragging thugs and idiots to its ranks which help give the party its reputation. I don't think it's very appropriate for a churchman to join it, whatever happened to 'love thy neighbour'?

I used to love that show: "Love thy Neighbour"!

They should bring it back as part of the BBC's "White Season" :)

Nigel wrote:
The BNP are clearly racist, and a bunch of thugs, but unfortunately, the main parties, and of course particularly Labour, have buried their heads in the sand and still do. When William Hague, hardly an extremist, and undoubtedly the best brain in British politics, tried to raise immigration as a serious issue in the 2001 general election campaign, he was branded a racist by the very same Labour ministers who have created today\\\'s immigration crisis. If nothing is done, the BNP will gain support and the mainstream politicians will only have themselves to blame.

Well said, Nigel.

Our political masters are always saying "Remember Nazi Germany and what happened!" when referring to the BNP.

Well they obviously don't as they are simply creating the kind of atmosphere in "England" that allowed fascists to get a foothold into power.

Does "loving your neighbour" mean ignoring all the world's problems? I am a Christian myself, a real one (not just someone who calls themself one but doesn't try to live in obedience to God and who has never experienced God's new birth in Christ.) I believe we should love all people but that sometimes means confronting difficult and complex issues.
The BNP are not all about immigration. They want to restore a sense of pride in our country and who can blame them? I don't believe they are racists, just ordinary people and enthusiastic ameuters who care about the future of their children. They don't hate ethnic minorities, they just want common sense and justice to prevail.

If this chap is really a Christian surely he should be trying to do what is best for the whole of mankind rather than just those who live in Britain.

the main stream parties no longer offer anything for white englishmen so its a simple choice for them to make.

Nice to see Nigel ignoring the message by Rev Stanton, prefering instead to also brand him a 'racist thug'.

As he rightly mentions, it is language like that which will see an upserge in BNP.

Well done Mr. Stanton, I wish you all the very best. I hope more and more people join/vote for the BNP as this Country's going under fast!

Well done Mr. Stanton, I wish you all the very best. I hope more and more people join/vote for the BNP as this Country's going under fast!

I know John Stanton. He's a good guy, the very reverse of a 'knuckle-dragging thug and idiot'. He and his wife are very nice people, just ordinary, not 'thugs' in any way, shape or form. And what's all this 'knuckle-dragging'? Unnecessary rhetoric and meaningless, useless verbiage.

I agree with Ahmed above. And Leigh new waver - just how is someone involved in local politics meant to be able to 'do his best for all mankind'? We are a small island. We can't solve all the world's problems. Maybe in mid-Victorian times there were people who thought we could - well, we know differently now, although we have elected politicians handing out large sums which should perhaps be better spent on problems at home.

I can understand why John Stanton feels disillusioned with the LibDems. Very recently they criticised the government for refusing a referendum on the new EU constitution, then when the matter was debated in the House of Commons, they all abstained from voting, thereby letting the government win!! That alone would have caused me to leave the LibDems, if I'd been a member or even a supporter.

I'm not a BNP member, I'm more 'English' than 'British' which is why I'm a member of the EDP and not the BNP.

Mr Angry wrote:
Well done Mr. Stanton, I wish you all the very best. I hope more and more people join/vote for the BNP as this Country's going under fast!

England is going under, Scotland and Wales are doing very nicely since Liebour gave them devolution.

Mr Stanton would have done better to join the English Democrat Party.

Joining a party for Britain is a waste of time. Britain died with devolution, its just that the corpse is not cold enough for most people to notice yet.

I see an entire 2/3rds of the membership oof the English Democrats for South Essex have jumped on the bandwagon!!

Dan wrote:
I see an entire 2/3rds of the membership oof the English Democrats for South Essex have jumped on the bandwagon!!

LOL

To be fair, I doubt Margaret would be welcome in the BNP, even if she wanted to be. Not with a German surname anyway... :)

The BNP let me join - and I've got a German surname ! :p

piano hinges wrote:

Dan wrote:
I see an entire 2/3rds of the membership oof the English Democrats for South Essex have jumped on the bandwagon!!

LOL

To be fair, I doubt Margaret would be welcome in the BNP, even if she wanted to be. Not with a German surname anyway... :)

Actually, it's Polish/Jewish, was originally Stolsky until my husband's parents changed it in the 1930s to 'fit in'. His grandfather hailed from Minsk in what's now Belarus, was then part of the Russian Empire. If you ask my husband though, he'll tell you he's an Englishman and proud of it!

I 'jumped in', as you choose to put it, because I know John Stanton and his wife, have been neighbours of theirs for some years. They couldn't be less like 'knuckle-dragging thugs' as described.

Margaret Stoll wrote:

piano hinges wrote:

Dan wrote: I see an entire 2/3rds of the membership oof the English Democrats for South Essex have jumped on the bandwagon!!

LOL To be fair, I doubt Margaret would be welcome in the BNP, even if she wanted to be. Not with a German surname anyway... :)

Actually, it\'s Polish/Jewish, was originally Stolsky until my husband\'s parents changed it in the 1930s to \'fit in\'. His grandfather hailed from Minsk in what\'s now Belarus, was then part of the Russian Empire. If you ask my husband though, he\'ll tell you he\'s an Englishman and proud of it! I \'jumped in\', as you choose to put it, because I know John Stanton and his wife, have been neighbours of theirs for some years. They couldn\'t be less like \'knuckle-dragging thugs\' as described.

Nobody ever said that members of the EDP were knuckle draggers, that was aimed at the BNP. All I said was that the EDP was jumping on the bandwagon by publicising itself on this comments section(indeed I'm surprised the usually vociferous Kim Gandy hasn't waded in yet to plug herself).

A little clarification:

Rev. Stanton's son is a good friend of mine, and he's confirmed to me this afternoon, that his dad was somewhat hoodwinked by the BNP - he eventually decided to conduct some personal research into the organisation, and was horrified to discover what he'd unintentionally got involved with.

Rev. Stanton no longer has ANY affiliation to the BNP or any other right-wing party. It seems that the Echo have also promised to print an updated, retraction-of-sorts, this week.

Which is fair enough; I can think of one or two national tabloids which would be happy to let the controversy run and run!

I would ask you to check out what the BNP really believe instead of believing everything you hear in the media.

Hopefully more and more people are doing just that.

I've laughed a couple of times when something I've posted has been removed as presumably, it's been considered 'inflammatory', when in fact all I've done is quote government statistics. I even had a comment about the link between immigration and the national increase in TB taken down when all I had used were comments and quotes from the Echo Archives.

The politically correct brigade have taken us so far down the rocky road that it’s now frowned upon to be a nationalist. We’ve been so politically corrected that the ‘ethnic minorities’ of Ireland, Wales and Scotland can have their own democratically elected parliaments and assemblies, whilst we in England are dictated to by a multicultural hotch potch that is destroying the very fabric of our society. Dare suggest that there’s something in our heritage, culture and traditions that are worth preserving, and you’re called a racist. No one has ever explained to me why it’s racist to love your country!

Please visit;

iamanenglishman.com

Margaret Stoll wrote:

piano hinges wrote:

Dan wrote: I see an entire 2/3rds of the membership oof the English Democrats for South Essex have jumped on the bandwagon!!

LOL To be fair, I doubt Margaret would be welcome in the BNP, even if she wanted to be. Not with a German surname anyway... :)

Actually, it's Polish/Jewish, was originally Stolsky until my husband's parents changed it in the 1930s to 'fit in'. His grandfather hailed from Minsk in what's now Belarus, was then part of the Russian Empire. If you ask my husband though, he'll tell you he's an Englishman and proud of it! I 'jumped in', as you choose to put it, because I know John Stanton and his wife, have been neighbours of theirs for some years. They couldn't be less like 'knuckle-dragging thugs' as described.

I stand corrected on the name. No offence intended by the way, Margaret, and hopefully none taken.

t.kent, SS1 - it's not racist to love your country, and I have never heard anyone say that it is. However, the site you link to has (I noticed) a prominent link to Stormfront, amongst others. Now, they ARE racist. If you're that proud of your country I suggest you align yourself with people who have a little more brains - these are exactly the sort of people that the above "knuckle-dragging" comment was aimed at.

Come back Enoch, all is forgiven, we need you now!

No offence taken, piano hinges. Actually, I myself as an 'English' as anyone can claim to be whose ancestors were probably Anglo/Norse (n.b. anyone from Yorkshire is likely to have some Nordic genes from the time when it was a Viking kingdom). That's far enough back to go, a thousand years.

I know that the epithet 'knuckle-dragging' wasn't applied to the EDP. I don't like that kind of language applied to ANYBODY, I don't think it's at all helpful, and as I've said in other threads, I do not participate in muck-raking and mud-slinging. It doesn't get us anywhere, and there are serious current issues to be discussed.

I recall the Rev John Stanton very kindly when Barry came here in 1997. We were looking for a church that would accept us and eventually marry us. Neither the Catholics nor C of E would accept a divorced man who wasn't baptised. John Stanton's church is, he explained, too much at the opposite extreme, too evangelical for our needs. He advised us to look for a church that was more 'middle-of-the-road'
. We did, we found the Methodist Church, where we're still members, where we were married and where Barry was baptised and confirmed in his 70th year.

I'm grateful to John for that suggestion, and for the friendliness he's always shown us.

I would vote for anyone just to get rid of the devil's crew Brown and mates

Nigel wrote:
<b> The BNP are clearly racist, and a bunch of thugs, but unfortunately, the main parties, and of course particularly Labour, have buried their heads in the sand and still do.
When William Hague, hardly an extremist, and undoubtedly the best brain in British politics, tried to raise immigration as a serious issue in the 2001 general election campaign, he was branded a racist by the very same Labour ministers who have created today\\\'s immigration crisis.
If nothing is done, the BNP will gain support and the mainstream politicians will only have themselves to blame.</b>

Really, I'm a BNP candidate, my wife is mixed race and we went to the BNP xmas do. I left the RAF in 1983 and worked for the Israeli defence force.

Pharty Politics wrote:

Nigel wrote: The BNP are clearly racist, and a bunch of thugs, but unfortunately, the main parties, and of course particularly Labour, have buried their heads in the sand and still do. When William Hague, hardly an extremist, and undoubtedly the best brain in British politics, tried to raise immigration as a serious issue in the 2001 general election campaign, he was branded a racist by the very same Labour ministers who have created today\\\'s immigration crisis. If nothing is done, the BNP will gain support and the mainstream politicians will only have themselves to blame.

Well said, Nigel. Our political masters are always saying "Remember Nazi Germany and what happened!" when referring to the BNP. Well they obviously don't as they are simply creating the kind of atmosphere in "England" that allowed fascists to get a foothold into power.

The real fascists area already running the country. They're called the Labour Party, and the Politically Correct Brigade.

No room for anyone's views but their own and the total subjugation of the English.

As for this

Rochford's Lib Dem leader Chris Black added: "He's a priest, but I really don't see Jesus voting for the BNP.

"The local elections are about local issues and getting things done and I can't think of one concrete thing the BNP has achieved in 40 or so councils across the UK."

Name anything the Useless Tories and Lousy Labour have done that's that great for the past 30 years.

As for extremism, hatred and bigotry, not to mention utterly dangerous, look no further than Extreme Islam, that this government is sucking up to.

Come on, get REAL

Strange article from the Echo. I can only refer you to your article on the 1st March where The Rev. Stanton quite clearly resigned from the BNP when he knew exactly what they are about. Unfortunately some people are hoodwinked by the BNP. It is only when you attend a meeting or see their antics at election counts that you realise what they really are.

merlin billericay wrote:
Strange article from the Echo. I can only refer you to your article on the 1st March where The Rev. Stanton quite clearly resigned from the BNP when he knew exactly what they are about. Unfortunately some people are hoodwinked by the BNP. It is only when you attend a meeting or see their antics at election counts that you realise what they really are.

Oh believe me, they are not the only ones to do that.

When I stood for election I had hassle from the Tories, in the form of nasty and threatening emails - and nasty comments made to me in public meetings that were nothing to do with the election.

I am standing for the English Democrats and there is NOTHING im the world that attracts more hate from my fellow countrymen than upsetting anti-English fascists.

Traitors who betray England.

That said, the majority of people have been hugely supportive of me and although initially, numbers of votes are not fantastically high for people in relatively new parties; we all have to start somewhere.

Whatever party you stand for, standing for election isn't something you do for fun.

Anyone who thinks they can do better ought to try doing it themselves.

Do not make the mistake that only the BNP are capable of nastiness, dirty tricks and underhandedness.

Kim Gandy wrote:

Pharty Politics wrote:

Nigel wrote: The BNP are clearly racist, and a bunch of thugs, but unfortunately, the main parties, and of course particularly Labour, have buried their heads in the sand and still do. When William Hague, hardly an extremist, and undoubtedly the best brain in British politics, tried to raise immigration as a serious issue in the 2001 general election campaign, he was branded a racist by the very same Labour ministers who have created today\\\'s immigration crisis. If nothing is done, the BNP will gain support and the mainstream politicians will only have themselves to blame.

Well said, Nigel. Our political masters are always saying "Remember Nazi Germany and what happened!" when referring to the BNP. Well they obviously don't as they are simply creating the kind of atmosphere in "England" that allowed fascists to get a foothold into power.

The real fascists area already running the country. They're called the Labour Party, and the Politically Correct Brigade.

No room for anyone's views but their own and the total subjugation of the English.

As for this

Rochford's Lib Dem leader Chris Black added: "He's a priest, but I really don't see Jesus voting for the BNP.

"The local elections are about local issues and getting things done and I can't think of one concrete thing the BNP has achieved in 40 or so councils across the UK."

Name anything the Useless Tories and Lousy Labour have done that's that great for the past 30 years.

As for extremism, hatred and bigotry, not to mention utterly dangerous, look no further than Extreme Islam, that this government is sucking up to.

Come on, get REAL

One hates to disagree but how exactly is this government "sucking up to Extreme Islam"? In case you hadn't noticed our Soldiers, Marines and Airman have been fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan. (Both of which are Islamic countries), our airports have been involved in "rendition" procedures and our capital city has been attacked.

As for policies of last 30 years:

1. Selling Council houses to tenants,
2. Abolishing currency controls
3. Moving Uk from a former industrial power to a service economy.
4. Economic growth. (For Example Just look at the value of your house now compared with 1978, or your salary, or where you holiday).
5. Won the Falklands war back in 1982.
6. Defeated Kurdish terrorists in Iranian embassy
7. Finally got a semblance of peace in Northern Ireland.

People seem to forget that Hitler was elected, not by the majority of the German electorate but by a minority, once in Power he managed to persuade Hindenburg to let him suspend further elections.

Traitors who betray England

The front benches of the three major political parties.

Enoch was right.

Kay 1664 is right, but the hatemongers and idiots out there will ignore these facts and just dream up more poison and fantasy, what have the BNP councillors in other constituencies achieved? NOTHING

Kay 1664 I shouldn't worry about it too much. There are a small number of severely paranoid individuals who prefer to believe anything they're told, as long as it's scary and teaches them to hate someone.

They're the same people that complain that the so-called PC brigade (which does not, of course, exist) are restricting their rights to speak freely about their paranoia .... while at the same time calling people emotive (and clearly hyperbolic) words like "traitor" for daring to question their dangerous and divisive views.

My suggestion is to ignore them, and not give them the attention they crave. Sooner or later the Muslims won't be the flavour of the month any more, and they'll be back on the Poles, Jamaicans, Jews or homosexuals. Seen it all before.

Funny isn't it, how any article with the word "Traveller" or "BNP" in the headline attracts a disproportionately large number of comments.

I wonder what that says about us.

Except that we're ALL fiercely patriotic and proud to be English, natch... :)

Andy Parsons wrote:
Kay 1664 I shouldn't worry about it too much. There are a small number of severely paranoid individuals who prefer to believe anything they're told, as long as it's scary and teaches them to hate someone. They're the same people that complain that the so-called PC brigade (which does not, of course, exist) are restricting their rights to speak freely about their paranoia .... while at the same time calling people emotive (and clearly hyperbolic) words like "traitor" for daring to question their dangerous and divisive views. My suggestion is to ignore them, and not give them the attention they crave. Sooner or later the Muslims won't be the flavour of the month any more, and they'll be back on the Poles, Jamaicans, Jews or homosexuals. Seen it all before.

Is this the same Government whose Jim Sheridan said that anyone who criticises the Government should be "injected with rabies"?

Do you mean that kind of restriction of freedom of speech?

PP, I believe he was referring to former ministers, rather than all of us.

Still a disgusting and objectionable comment though. Just whay we expect from ministers in the current Government.

John Cheek wrote:
A little clarification: Rev. Stanton's son is a good friend of mine, and he's confirmed to me this afternoon, that his dad was somewhat hoodwinked by the BNP - he eventually decided to conduct some personal research into the organisation, and was horrified to discover what he'd unintentionally got involved with. Rev. Stanton no longer has ANY affiliation to the BNP or any other right-wing party. It seems that the Echo have also promised to print an updated, retraction-of-sorts, this week. Which is fair enough; I can think of one or two national tabloids which would be happy to let the controversy run and run!

Perhaps he should stay out of local politics if he is happy to support a parties policies without researching them first?

Rev Stanton seems to be a very confused man - Tory councillor in the 70s; LibDim in the 90s; flirted with UKIP (obviously too young for them); became organiser for the BNP before he had even carried out any research into their policies. What next, one has to ask? Could I respectfully suggest that the Reverend might be ideally qualified for the Monster Raving Loonie Party?

Andy Parsons wrote:
PP, I believe he was referring to former ministers, rather than all of us. Still a disgusting and objectionable comment though. Just whay we expect from ministers in the current Government.

It still points out to the fact that some of our ministers are so brainwashed and brown-nosed that they won't allow dissent or personal opinion in their own party.

If they think that about their own members they probably think that the rest of us are due worse punishment for stepping out of line.

Another 5 years of Labour would be the worse kind of punishment.

Especially as Gordon Brown has essentially ignore the findings on mass immigration today and is happy to spin his own distorted facts.

Facts that even - *cough* the BBC (Labour's Media Puppet) - raised as not being truthful.

I despair.

The Dude wrote:

John Cheek wrote: A little clarification: Rev. Stanton's son is a good friend of mine, and he's confirmed to me this afternoon, that his dad was somewhat hoodwinked by the BNP - he eventually decided to conduct some personal research into the organisation, and was horrified to discover what he'd unintentionally got involved with. Rev. Stanton no longer has ANY affiliation to the BNP or any other right-wing party. It seems that the Echo have also promised to print an updated, retraction-of-sorts, this week. Which is fair enough; I can think of one or two national tabloids which would be happy to let the controversy run and run!

Perhaps he should stay out of local politics if he is happy to support a parties policies without researching them first?

It's never stopped any Labour councillor :p

Kay 1664 wrote:

As for policies of last 30 years:

1. Selling Council houses to tenants,

and then repossessing them when the economy went bust and everyone with a new mortgage was screwed with negative equity. Then failed to replace those sold council houses with any form of social housing leaving many thousands living in single room accomodation while migrants jump the queues for the remaining council homes.


2. Abolishing currency controls

don't forget selling off half of Britain's gold reserve at a knockdown price and then watching gold prices rise nonstop ever since.

3. Moving Uk from a former industrial power to a service economy.

Thus destroying Britain's industrial base leaving us at the mercy of foreign investment and throwing hunreds of thousands of skilled industrial workers on the scrapheap and condemning million more to working low paid dead-end jobs. Many mining/steel/shipbui
lding/car manufacturing communities have still not recovered from the b*s***d Thatcher's wholesale attack on the working man.

4. Economic growth. (For Example Just look at the value of your house now compared with 1978, or your salary, or where you holiday).

The numbers are meaningless when inflation and the comparative value of the pound then and now is looked at.

5. Won the Falklands war back in 1982.

... and in an act of unprecedented ingratitude cut back the armed forces budget abolished many great regiments and decimated the air force and navy.

6. Defeated Kurdish terrorists in Iranian embassy

Whoopee

7. Finally got a semblance of peace in Northern Ireland.

Northern Ireland is more divided today than it has ever been. Since the 'peace agreement' 10 years ago there are now over 40 walls separating the two communities. There were about a dozen during the height of the troubles


.

Please visit -
christiancouncil.org
.uk

The BNP is genuinely patriotic without any hint of so-called "racism".

Andy Parsons wrote:
Kay 1664 I shouldn\'t worry about it too much. There are a small number of severely paranoid individuals who prefer to believe anything they\'re told, as long as it\'s scary and teaches them to hate someone. They\'re the same people that complain that the so-called PC brigade (which does not, of course, exist) are restricting their rights to speak freely about their paranoia .... while at the same time calling people emotive (and clearly hyperbolic) words like \"traitor\" for daring to question their dangerous and divisive views. My suggestion is to ignore them, and not give them the attention they crave. Sooner or later the Muslims won\'t be the flavour of the month any more, and they\'ll be back on the Poles, Jamaicans, Jews or homosexuals. Seen it all before.

Rubbish! When have the Poles, Jews, Gays or Jamaicans openly preached the destruction of our society and culture? I can't recall reading about a Gay Jihad to rid the world of non-homosexuals.

I use PC Brigade as a generic term to describe the multiculturalist liberals that have presided, and continue to preside, over the almost irreversible destruction of the fabric of our culture and society.

They hate racism and scream the term 'racist' at anyone who legitimately questions policies on immigration. This stifles the debate and forces the issue into the hands of extremists. If debate is silenced then people understandably express their concerns in a more direct way - hence the rise of the Nationalist Parties. This simply makes the situation worse and gives the PC brigade fuel to say “ Racist extremists ”.

They don't want to discipline children, even though this instils a respect for authority into them at an early age. The children quickly learn that they can do what ever they want to and so go on to disrupt classrooms and stop other children learning. When they’re old enough they’re given ASBO’s, sent on outward bound courses or foreign and taught how to drive so they can joy ride safely. As they themselves don't learn much at school, they are most likely to become criminals when they become adults and raise more feral crack head children in the same vein. Suggest discipline from an early age and you're accused of infringing Human Rights .

They want more 'ethnic minorities' in the public services so they 'positively discriminate' - which means they discriminate against the people they don't want. Yet discrimination is the very thing they consider such a sin. The result of this is that they may not have the best people for the job, they upset the existing workers, and the situation worsens. Suggest employing the best person for the job and they argue for Ethnic Quotas .

I've never heard of such people outside of the right-wing press. Should they exist, they sound like a rum bunch this "PC Brigade".

Mind you, they "hate racism"? Gosh.

people keep saying the BNP are clearly racist, but don't give anything as proof , where are all these BNP Thugs on the news every day , it would be plastered on the front pages every day surley?
When you say these things please offer some proof.

bert wrote:
people keep saying the BNP are clearly racist, but don't give anything as proof , where are all these BNP Thugs on the news every day , it would be plastered on the front pages every day surley? When you say these things please offer some proof.

http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/england/lanca
shire/6357261.stm

Ex-BNP man 'wanted to shoot PM'
A former British National Party (BNP) candidate who held explosive chemicals in anticipation of a civil war wanted to shoot Tony Blair, a court heard.
Robert Cottage, 49, from Colne, Lancashire, pleaded guilty to possession of explosives at the start of his trial at Manchester Crown Court.

His wife said he often boasted of wanting to shoot Mr Blair and Lib Dem peer Lord Greaves, the court was told.

Mr Cottage denies conspiracy to cause an explosion.

A second man, David Jackson, 62, of Nelson, Lancashire, denies both charges under the Explosive Substances Act.

Alistair Webster QC, defending, said Mr Cottage, of Talbot Street, was a former BNP candidate and had been the subject of threats.


The bomb they intended to make would have had the ability to cause damage or cause serious injuries
Louise Blackwell, prosecuting

He explained that his client believed the "political and financial condition of the country" would lead to civil war within the coming years.

Mr Cottage accepted the possession charge on the basis that the explosives were designed to deter attacks on his property, Mr Webster said.

The explanation was not accepted by the prosecution.

Louise Blackwell QC, prosecuting, said the case had come to light after Mr Cottage's wife became increasingly concerned about his behaviour.

Kerena Cottage suffered mental health problems and told her social worker that her husband had several crossbows and chemicals stored in his home.


She also revealed he wanted to shoot Mr Blair and local peer Lord Greaves, Miss Blackwell told the court.

When police raided his house on 28 September 2006 they discovered 21 types of chemicals which, when combined, could form explosives.

Miss Blackwell said they also uncovered a document called the Anarchy Cookbook, which detailed how to make different types of bombs.

Ball bearings - which the prosecution claim could be used as shrapnel for explosive devices - were also found, along with four air pistols.

After interviewing Mr Cottage, detectives raided Mr Jackson's home on 1 October and found a bow and arrow and two nuclear protection suits.

Supplies 'stockpiled'

Miss Blackwell said: "The prosecution say these two men together agreed to order these chemicals... and they intended to make a bomb with them.

"The bomb they intended to make would have had the ability to cause damage or cause serious injuries."

Miss Blackwell also read out a statement on behalf of Mrs Cottage, who was unfit to attend court because of her mental health problems.

"Rob believes there will be a civil war and the emergence of a new world order," the statement said.

"Rob has also started stockpiling supplies," the statement added.

The trial was adjourned until Wednesday.

David Enderby, BNP councillor for Redditch was found guilty of three counts of assault last year.

In June 2006 Kevin Hughes Enderby’s agent in the elections was sentenced to three months in prison for racially aggravated common assault.

Recently the BNP Parliamentary candidate for Hull, Brian Wainwright, was found guilty after a campaign of hate mail against the local mosque, a Muslim councillor and a local anti-fascist activist. A letter in which he claimed, “Muslim blood will be spilt” included ‘SS’ skull and cross bones imagery. Another letter was sent to a local anti-fascist activist threatening that Combat 18 (the Nazi terrorist organisation who take their name from Hitler’s initials) would visit.

In the same week a BNP activist in Swindon Mark Bulman (who has used the pseudonym Bullock) was sentenced to five years after attempting to firebomb a local mosque using a BNP leaflet as a fuse. He also daubed swastikas and racist graffiti on local shops and businesses that he believed to be ‘ethnic’.

In June 2006 BNP councillor Brian Turner was found guilty of a racially aggravated public order offence. He escaped a jail sentence and was instead ordered to carry out 300 hours of unpaid work in the community. Turner has previous convictions of common assault and police assault after he was convicted of beating up his wife Melanie Turner.

And then there is of course the lovely chap who bombed the Admiral Duncan. David Copeland was a BNP supporter who planted a bomb in a pub. What a brave patriot he was.

Still no evidence??

I see the Searchliar gang have arrived to regurgitate their lies.

The truth is here -
www.bnp.org.uk

Jane K. - BNP Member wrote:
I see the Searchliar gang have arrived to regurgitate their lies. The truth is here - www.bnp.org.uk

I can prove every one is true.

Can you prove they are false?

Er, no. You can't.

BNP councillor in court

From the Redditch Advertiser, first published Tuesday 23rd Jan 2007.

BIRTHDAY celebrations turned nasty after Redditch BNP councillor David Enderby knocked at the door.

Enderby appeared at Kidderminster Magistrates Court on Monday, January 22 charged with three counts of assault.

The 45-year-old Winyates councillor denied the charges relating to an incident which happened last June.

The court heard he entered his mother-in-law's house without being invited and assaulted three occupants before being thrown out.

His estranged wife, teaching assistant Jane Enderby said: "He sang happy birthday and walked into the house and I said it is not our house - wait to be asked in. He glared and carried on walking.

"Mum came out of the living room and she said: This is my house David and you have not been asked in, please wait on the step'."

Mrs Enderby said he swore and glared at her then grabbed her mother, Noel Campion, by the arms and pushed her aside to gain entry into the lounge.

While there, he pushed another family member onto the floor before he was restrained in a headlock.

Mrs Enderby said: "He sent everything flying in the lounge."

She added he then grabbed her by the arms and pushed her into the wall saying, 'I have had enough of you, I am going to get you'."

Three family members suffered bruises in the ensuing melee before Enderby was forced out of the house.

Brett Stevenson, defending, suggested Mrs Enderby - who is divorcing her husband after 15 years of marriage - had embellished the story. He said: "You were unreasonable in keeping him on the step - were you trying to humiliate him?"

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A BNP activist who admitted sending racist hate mail threatening to spill Muslim blood could be allowed to walk free because police did not charge him in time.
Brian Wainwright, 38, had already been convicted for sending offensive and threatening racist posters to a councillor, a mosque and an anti-fascism campaigner in Halifax.
But now the case against him might be dropped because he was not charged within the legal time limit.
The posters sent between February and April 2005 featured swastikas, insults against Islam and threats to spill Muslim blood and to incite a race war in the town.
A member of the Calderdale Unity Against Racism group, Paul Sutcliffe, received a poster warning him his house would be visited by the far-right Combat 18 group.
Sending offensive and threatening letters is a summary offence which means the accused must be charged within six months of committing the crime. But Wainwright was not charged by police until nine months after he sent the last poster.
Wainwright, of Lee Mount Road, Halifax, first appeared in court more than eight months ago and was later convicted but the Crown Prosecution Service, defence solicitors and court clerks failed to spot the error.
The defendant, who was a BNP Parliamentary candidate in Hull two years ago, was due to be sentenced
at Calderdale Magistrates' Court yesterday.
But the problem only came to light at the 11th hour while magistrates were considering the sentence.
The Crown Prosecution Service has promised to carry out an urgent review.
But the news dismayed politicians in Calderdale.
Halifax MP Linda Riordan said: "These were sickening and scurrilous race hate messages and as such I am disappointed that the natural course of justice might now not happen."
Councillor Mohammed Najib received a poster from Wainwright sent to Halifax Town Hall featuring a skull and crossbones which warned that Combat 18 would start a race war and Muslim blood would be spilt. Coun Najib said: "I would obviously be disappointed if the case is dropped I will be speaking to the police to find out what has happened. We are a peaceful community in Calderdale who live in harmony and then sick people come along and try to spoil the work we have done in the community over all these years."
Calderdale Magistrates Court heard yesterday that Wainwright sent a poser to the Jamait Ahl-E-Hadith Mosque, in Hopwood Lane, which contained a crude insult against Islam, and the words "Muslims will die". The poster was opened by the secretary of the mosque Mohammed Iqbal who immediately contacted the police.
Wainwright also sent a poster to Mr Sutcliffe's home address which warned him that Combat 18 would be visiting.
Linda Fowler, prosecuting, said Mr Sutcliffe had appeared on BBC Look North in a feature about the far- right website Redwatch.
His photograph was then posted on this website and then used in the poster sent by Wainwright, the court heard.
Defending, Peter McCaughley said unless the prosecution could show this was an exceptional case he would be asking for the charges against Wainwright to be withdrawn.
The defendant will appear in court again on February 9.

Mosque arson attack man is jailed
A man who attacked a mosque in Swindon last August has been sentenced to five years in prison.
Mark Bulman, from the Moredan area of Swindon, sprayed the walls with grafitti and then threw two petrol bombs at the building in Broad Street.

One set fire to a door, the other went through a window, but failed to ignite.

Bulman, 22, had pleaded guilty at Swindon Crown Court to attempted arson, arson, and two counts of religiously- aggravated damage to property.

Det Insp Tim Corner said: "Crimes of this nature can have an adverse impact on local communities and create fear.

"The sentencing today is a clear message that hate crime is taken very seriously by the police and partner agencies, including the judicial system."


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Shall I go on Jane? Are you now going to claim David Copeland thought he was delivering a box of cherry donuts?

"Shall I go on Jane?"

Yes, please do.
Then, when you've done it's my turn.
(and you know what that means ....... )
So, please exhaust your bag of Search-lies and we'll get on to the facts, including who and where you are, that blog etc.
Go for it :-)

No, I don't "know what that means". Was that supposed to be a (very weak) threat? What blog are you referring to? What's a "search-lie"? What planet, indeed, are you on?

Go ahead. Show me the "facts". I would love to be convinced that the BNP are in fact a bunch of cuddly teddy bears.

Here's a couple of links the leftoids prefer to ignore -

liarsbuggersandthiev
es.blogspot.com/

iamanenglishman.com/
rogues_gallery.php

thefallenlist.blogsp
ot.com/

Enjoy! ;-)

Quote:
Go ahead. Show me the "facts".

I will, be sure of that.
Meanwhile, you were going to empty your shrivelled little bag of searched-lies.
Now, copy your drivel, stop your lip-trembling prattle and get on with it eh!

I'm waiting ......... ;-)

I see your bookmarks list but where's the proof the BNP aren't violent? Still waiting for that one.

I assume you see the irony in typing "copy your drivel" when you've just copied links to fascist websites, but "lip-trembling prattle"? What on earth are you on about? Anyone would think you're a little bit rattled, trying playground insults like that. You ought to try harder you know.

Knuckle-draggers? I think not! Have you met any members? So don't talk rot!

Think National Front, and NOT BNP!

Do NOT believe the (Tory-owned) media!

Do not believe the EU/Labour-directed BBC. If you are, then open your eyes!

50% of BNP members are female, including myself. I have yet to meet one "knuckle-dragger" when I have attended meetings.

A large percentage of them are middle class professionals, the self-employed. Look to Labour's bully boys in the UAF for knuckle-dragging dole louts (and yes, I have met these people!)

The comments on he BNP's website are amongst the most rational and intelligent that you will find on the "political net". It is Britain's fastest growing political party. It is now the Fourth largest party after the Lib-Dems.

It is the only party that rejects the EU/Lib Dem/New Labour/Blue Labour (Cameron's Conservatives) line.

Nick Griffin is the ONLY party leader that refuses to Kow-Tow to Europe and says it exactly as it is.

Three years ago, he exposed the grooming of British children for prostitution and almost got 7 years in prison for these efforts. Recently, the BBC (shock, horror) finally "exposed" this practice, revealing how hundreds of children are going missing every year at the hands of these vile paedophiles. He was villified, the BBC was praised!

Go to the website and READ THE TRUTH!

Carolyn, fair enough if you believe that. I have met BNP members personally, and seen them at "work". Not pretty. Some of the blood stains still haven't washed out.

Silence and tumbleweed, however, when it comes to Jane. Predictably. Well I certainly "know what that means". From some who threatens to bring up who and where I am, too, it clearly shows the nasty underbelly of this party won't just be hidden by the use of nice words in public while the same old stuff goes on behind closed doors.

Jane, we all know what you are. Who, and where, I couldn't care less. Nowhere near any children I hope.

Not much point in Marxist sympathisers highlighting the few discretion's of anyone remotely connected to the BNP, however tenuous the link.

The crimes of corruption, assault, kiddy fiddling, ballot rigging, illegal wars etc amongst the 'main' parties far and away exceed the odd 'BNP' loon.

Those allied with the far left are the greatest threat to our nation, not your average patriotic BNP voter/member/support

er.

..Oh, and I forgot to add. I am married to an immigrant.. it took TWO YEARS and a mountain of paperwork to come to the UK to marry me. He now pays a ton of tax to the British government and does not like to see it wasted on this worthless government's multi-culti- fantasy. He is also a BNP member that has been welcomed by very friendly "Natives"!

Bring it on, stop telling porkies.

We all know the travelling rent-a-mob of the predominantly Marxist Communist 'Unite Against Fascism' (oxymoron) are the main protagonist bully boys these days.

They a prone to attack the BNP, including old men and women, on the streets in organised ambushes.

Angela Smith MP can vouch for that.

The BNP are not thugs they are decent intelligent British people who genuinely care about these unique islands of ours, they care that that our race of people is a threatened species, and need to be saved. They also worry that the country is bankrupt, with a balance of trade deficit of 60 billion pounds, and a national debt of one point three trillion pounds, they also have conerns that our taxes are going, to prop up the Marxist regime in europe which has cherry picked our fishing waters . They worry about our shipyards, mines, car factories, heavy engineering, textiles, electronics, aerospace, and much more, that have gone, we have been robbed of them by the EU. Far from being a party of thugs they are very caring, and responsible. I myself will vote for them, and I am proud to have the honour.

GERMANY AND EU TO LEGALISE PAEDOPHILIA

I kid you not!

http://www.tpuc.org/
node/151

If you like this idea, please continue to vote for the Cultural Marxism of New Labour/Lib.Dems/New Conservatives (Blue Labour).

If you want out of the hellhole EU that "THEY" have tried to keep us so clueless about, VOTE BNP at EVERY opportunity!

Use your vote wisely.. or lose this country forever.

I don't give a toss about Britain. I am English first and foremost, British only because I have to be. It is England I care about, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland all have their own parties to represent them, England does not.

Why should I vote BNP? They won't care for England any more than Liebour the Cons or the LibDems.

There is another thread dated BEFORE this one which states the Rev Stanton has left the BNP and regrets having anything to do with them!
http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/search/displa
y.var.2159948.0.chur
ch_leader_stupid_to_
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hp

Can someone clarify what's going on?

Still waiting for the "truth", Jane. Or have you gone now the facade has been exposed?

Why is it that everyone who abhors the racist and violent agenda of the BNP is automatically labelled as a Marxist? Could it be because the BNP support has no argument to their points? If there was a Marxist party story on here I'm sure you'd find most of us condemning them too. But that doesn't fit your view, does it...

Confused... heaven knows what the answer to your question is. But this story has brought a few worms out of the woodwork hasn't it.

Andrew wrote:
I don't give a toss about Britain. I am English first and foremost, British only because I have to be. It is England I care about, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland all have their own parties to represent them, England does not. Why should I vote BNP? They won't care for England any more than Liebour the Cons or the LibDems.

What ARE the BNP's policies anyway?

I saw the BNP's party political broadcast last night.

Must have cost you a fair bit to get Max Mosley to appear in it ;)

Not sure who my vote will be going to now, although rest assured It won't be wasted on Labour

heres a few non BNP for you to ponder .
SEX:

. Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn - Convicted and jailed for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys.

. Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner - Convicted and jailed for 1 year for masturbating in front of 2 young boys.

. Labour Mayor (Westhoughton/Lancas
hire) Nicholas Green - Convicted and jailed for 10 years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault against little girls between the age of 6 and 10. He raped one woman on her wedding day.

. Labour Mayor (Todmorden) John Winstanley - Convicted and jailed for rape and threats to kill. After raping and threatening to kill his terrified victim, Winstanley then ordered the woman to go on all fours before urinating on her.

. Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at Party functions) recently got a 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old girl on 2 separate occasions.

. Labour’s current Parliamentary Candidate (Reading East) Tony Page - Has 2 Convictions for Acts of Gross Indecency` in public toilets.

. Labour Mayor (Burnley) Peter Swainston - Convicted of sex offences in public toilet.

. Entire Labour Party conspired to conceal the activities of Labour Party activist and serial child-molester Mark Trotter, who died from AIDS before he could be convicted.

. Labour Councillor (North Yorkshire) Raymond Coats - Court appearance for indecently assaulting a woman.

. Labour MP (Rhonda Valley) Chris Bryant poses in his pants on the Internet to advertise himself for casual gay sex encounters. Describes himself as “**** as buggery” and says, “I’d love a good long ****”.

. Labour Councillor (Manchester), George Harding - Charged with indecent assault on a girl of 12.

. Labour MP Ron Davies was mugged by a Rasta on Clapham Common while cruising for gay sex. He was photographed again by the media recently, engaged in some `man-on-man` action in a field off a motorway. “I was only looking for badgers” he said.

. Labour Councillor (Durham), Derrick Payne - Arrested by Police following a sex attack.

. Labour MP, Joe Ashton - Caught up in a Police raid while frequenting a brothel. Tried to lie his way out of the scandal.

. Labour Councillor (Shropshire), Derek Woodvine - Arrested by Police in anti-**** operation.

. Labour Councillor (Basildon), Tony Wright - Forced to resign after being caught using his council computer to download ****.

. Labour MP (Sheffield), Clive Betts - Suspended from Parliament for 7 days after being caught forging immigration papers to extend the stay of his Brazilian rent-boy gay lover.

. According to media reports, the names of 2 former Labour Cabinet Ministers said to be `Household names` appear on the `Operation Ore ` list of subscribers to hard-core child pornography. The same FBI investigation, which led to the arrest of rock star Pete Townshend. So who are they Mr Blair?

VIOLENCE:

. Labour Councillor (Kirkby, Merseyside) Charlie Preston - Convicted and jailed for 5 years in 1982 for assault and burglary. Preston broke into the home of a 64 year old man, and beat him up in his bed as he slept before robbing the house. The judge described the case as “As bad a matter of burglary as I can remember” Preston also holds the position on the Council of… `Deputy Cabinet Member for Youth, Citizenship, and Community Safety`.

. Labour Councillor ( Wales ) Denis Jones - Convicted and jailed for unlawful wounding after attacking a neighbour with a sledgehammer.

. Labour Councillor ( Wales ) Ken Brookman - Bit off a mans ear in a dispute over a seat on a train!

. Labour Councillor and former Mayor (Stockton), Keith Dobinson - Investigated by Police for alleged assault on an OAP, which left the old man of 79, hospitalised.

. Labour MP, Tommy Graham - Expelled from Party for his part in driving a person to suicide.

. Labour Councillors (Ilfracombe), Brian Cotton and Tony Cooper - Investigated by Police following serious allegations of Harassment.

CORRUPTION:

. Labour Councillor (Sandwell) Mohamed Niwaz convicted of illegally obtaining £20,000 in Housing Grants.

. Labour Councillors in Doncaster - 23 Convicted and 2 jailed for massive fraud, corruption and theft of public funds. Investigation also uncovered massive Labour Party corruption in neighbouring Rotherham .

. Labour Party Councillor ( Blackburn ), Mohammed Hussein - arrested together with 6 Labour activists on suspicion of Election rigging.

. Labour MP Mohammed Sawar ( Britain ’s first Asian MP - Glasgow) was the subject of a major News of the World investigation a few years ago into bribery and corruption. Despite this, the massive Asian population in his constituency keeps him safely in his seat.

. Labour MP (Leicester) and former Cabinet Minister, Keith Vaz - Investigated for fraud and corruption before quietly leaving his Europe Minister post with `health problems`. According to his former Secretary, Vaz does absolutely nothing in his constituency other than help local Pakistanis with their Immigration cases (which also helps to explain the `whites a minority` status of Leicester and the safe Labour seat of Mr Vaz)

. Labour Party Euro MP, David Martin is currently being investigated for an alleged expenses fraud involving `hundreds of thousands of pounds`.

. Labour Councillor (Glamorgan), Shaun Stringer - Forced to resign following Police investigation into financial corruption.

OTHER:

. Tony Blair recently appointed his close friend/crony and colleague of his wife - Ken Macdonald as the new Director of Public Prosecutions, despite the fact he has a drugs conviction.

. William Straw - Son of Labour Foreign Secretary, and former Home Secretary - Jack Straw, was cautioned by Police for drug dealing, amid a frantic Government attempt to cover up the matter and gag the media as to his identity. Jack Straw also has a brother who was convicted of a sex attack on a schoolgirl. Lovely family!

. Homosexual mass murderer; Dennis Nielsen, who strangled and dismembered 16 young men in the 1980`s, was also a highly active member of Labour fringe groups such as the Anti-Nazi League, and the SWP. That’s when he wasn’t busy boiling peoples heads in a pot, or masturbating over the corpses of his victims.



SEX:

. Tory Party General election candidate, Michael Powell - Convicted and jailed for 3 years for downloading hardcore child ****.

. Tory Party Councillor (Wickbar/Bristol) Roger Talboys - Convicted and jailed for 6 years for multiple sex attacks on children.

. Tory Party Vice-Chairman of Welsh Conservatives, Andrew Baker - Received a banning order for stalking women.

. Tory Party MP (Billericay) Harvey Proctor - Stood trial for sex offences of a sado-masochistic nature against teenage boys, and was forced to resign.

. Tory Party Councillor ( Stratford-upon-Avon ) Christopher Pilkington - Convicted of downloading hardcore child **** on his PC. Placed on sex offenders register and forced to resign.

. Tory Party councillor ( Coventry ), Peter Stidworthy - Charged with indecent assault of a 15-year old boy.

. Tory Party Mayor ( North Tyneside ), Chris Morgan - Forced to resign after being arrested twice in 2 weeks, for indecent assault on a 15-year old girl, and for suspicion of downloading child ****.

. Tory Party MEP, Tom Spencer - Caught smuggling drugs and **** through customs.

. Tory Party councillor and former Mayor (Wrexham), Michael Morris - Convicted and put on probation for 2 years, for the indecent assault of another man, which was captured on CCTV.

. Tory Party Liaison Manager on the London Assembly, Douglas Campbell, who’s job includes running the Tory GLA website - Arrested for allegedly downloading child ****. He is currently suspended while the Police investigation continues.

VIOLENCE:

. Tory Party MP (Henley), Boris Johnson - Caught on tape plotting to have a man beaten up by a hired thug. The man was a journalist who had written an unsympathetic piece about Johnson’s close friend - Convicted fraudster, Darius Guppy.

. Tory Party Councillor (Folkestone - in Leader, Michael Howard’s constituency), Robert Richdale - 41 year history of crime, involving 30 convictions and 5 prison sentences. Richdales enormous criminal record, which covers 10 pages of A4 paper, includes convictions for assault, theft, causing death by dangerous driving, forgery, drugs offences, possession of an offensive weapon, and sex attacks against underage schoolgirls. The Tory Party election campaign literature described Richdale as “a family man” who had a “compassionate personality”

CORRUPTION:

. Tory Party councillor (Dudley), Abdul Quadus, who was also chairman of the Dudley Police Committee and a Tory Party spokesman on crime - Convicted and jailed for 6 months for passport fraud and assisting illegal immigration from his native country - Pakistan.

. Former Tory Party Cabinet Minister, Jonathan Aitken - Convicted and jailed for Perjury and Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice.

. Former Tory Leader of Westminster Council, Dame Shirley Porter - Fled to Israel to evade justice after indulging in fraud, corruption and gerrymandering on a massive scale, and stealing millions of pounds from local taxpayers.

. Tory Party Councillor ( Margate ), Colin Kiddell - Forced to resign after Police investigation into his alleged theft and embezzlement of funds from the local `Dreamland` Amusement Park.

. Former Tory Party Chairman and London Mayoral Candidate, Jeffrey Archer - Convicted and jailed for Perjury and Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice.





SEX:

. Lib-Dem Council candidate (Tower Hamlets), Justin Sillman - Convicted and jailed for 2 years for sexual abuse of young boys.

. Lib-Dem Councillor and Mayoral Candidate ( Sheffield ), Francis Butler- Prosecuted for indecent assault of a young boy.

. Lib-Dem Councillor ( Stockport ) Neil Derbyshire - Sexually assaulted a 16-year old boy in a public toilet. He was caught with a plastic bag containing lubricant, plastic surgical gloves, a condom, and underpants.

. Lib-Dem Councillor ( Preston ), Bill Chadwick - Charged with: Making an indecent photograph of a child, Incitement to rape, Incitement to murder, Incitement to kidnap, and Incitement to torture. Chadwick’s gay lover - Alan Valentine, is also a Lib-Dem councillor.

VIOLENCE:

. Lib-Dem councillor (North Norfolk), Catherine Wilkins - Also a nurse until she was struck off the nursing register after being found guilty of mistreating patients and abusive behaviour.

. Lib-Dem Parliamentary candidate ( Burnley ), Paul Wright - Charged with drunken assault on his `lodger`. Wright sobbed like a baby during the court case, and the case is to be re-listed and heard again after the jury failed to reach a verdict.

. Lib-Dem Councillor ( Sheffield ) Trevor Morgan - Convicted and jailed for 9 months for unlawful wounding/dangerous driving. After attacking an elderly woman’s Golden retriever dog by throwing pepper in its face, he then seriously injured the dog’s owner - 57-year old Barbara Johnson, with his car as she tried to stop him escaping.

CORRUPTION:

. Lib-Dem Councillor (Peterborough), Michael Jackson - Prosecuted for 21 counts of Theft and False Accounting.

. 3 Lib-Dem Councillors convicted and jailed for Election Fraud in Hackney in 2001

. 12 Lib-Dem officials convicted of Election Fraud in Oldham in 2001.

. Julie Roberts - Convicted of 9 counts of benefit fraud in 2003. 2 weeks after the court case, she was elected as a Lib-Dem councillor in Leicester !

. Lib-Dem councillor (Portsmouth), Ray Race - Convicted and jailed for 4 months for election rigging, along with Lib-Dem colleague Michael Hayward. Race was arrested again in July 2003 for threatening a witness who helped to convict him.

. Lib-Dem councillor (Lambeth), Gabriel Fernandez - Forced to resign after being investigated for benefit fraud.

OTHER:

. Former Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe - Stood trail for conspiring to have his blackmailing gay lover murdered.

If john Stanton ever fancied moving to Oldham where I live, he would get my vote.
There are to many spineless politicians who think exactly the same as John, but don’t have the guts to stand up and say it. Immigration has ruined this once great nation of ours its time to reverse the damage before its to late. Am I racist? No just sick to death of living under a fascist left wing neo Nazi government.
(Oh BRING IT ON I suppose that there are no such thing as labour liberal conservative criminals?)
There should be a public list every time there is a Rape , burglary , act off terrorism etc to see who they voted for. That would make an interesting read.

At the end of the day people need to vote for who is going to serve them best.

Producing long lists of "bad guys" doesn't mean anything.

We all know there are good and bad in every party.

It's policies that count.

What ARE the BNP's policies that could sway me to vote for them?

Telling me politicians are corrupt isn't something new.

Let's have something concrete and realistic from the BNP is shape of actual workable policies.

The BNP's policies are listed here

http://www.bnp.org.u


k/2008/02/28/bnp-pol


icies/

The headings are: -
Immigration/ Europe/ Law and Order/ Economy/ Education/ Agriculture/ Health/ Transport etc.

All this is routinely censored by the BBC and other media, and of course Labour and the other 'main' parties.

Sorry the previous posting fragmented the web address. Just try www.bnp.org.uk and look around for their policies (including policies for London's GLA elections on May 1st).

SHREW wrote:
If john Stanton ever fancied moving to Oldham where I live, he would get my vote. There are to many spineless politicians who think exactly the same as John, but don’t have the guts to stand up and say it. Immigration has ruined this once great nation of ours its time to reverse the damage before its to late. Am I racist? No just sick to death of living under a fascist left wing neo Nazi government. (Oh BRING IT ON I suppose that there are no such thing as labour liberal conservative criminals?) There should be a public list every time there is a Rape , burglary , act off terrorism etc to see who they voted for. That would make an interesting read.

What if that person had voted BNP - like David Copeland?

Should that be made public as well? Or would BNP members be excluded?

Would it not be easier to explain succintly their policies for everyone to see rather than point people to a website?

How would they deal with global issues or overseas trade for example?

Bring in on, what's the matter? The UAF hierarchy and majority of unwashed activists are openly a Marxist Communist rabble.

They are also clearly anti-democratic and anti-free speech and expression. They also fail to abide by electoral law as set down by the Electoral Commission.

If you actually had any kind of reasonable 'argument' I would happily ponder my considered reply, but alas 'BNP Racist thugs and knuckledraggers' just don't cut it anymore.

Just as calling them 'Nazi' is no longer relevant, a point examined here.

http://www.whatnextj
ournal.co.uk/pages/L
atest/BNP.html

Pharty Politics , for the purposes of accuracy perhaps you could please advise under what circumstances, and in which election, the nut job Copland 'Voted BNP'?

Happily see him swing, but alas, our liberal betters prefer instead to dismiss the majority opinion of their electorate.

Thankou to the ECHO for allowing true democracy .
Everyone should have a say in a democracy, as long as in your heart you believe its true and you respect others.

Here we go again with the BNP are Nazis rubbish. If you want to see racism in full swing then just look at the way the British public are treated by our own government, or doesn't that count? Black only organisations are allowed, Asian only organisations are allowed. Not white. Why? Black culture can be celebrated but not white. Why? That's not PC that's racism, plain and simple. Our own government are the biggest racists. How far up the river are they going to sell us before everyone wakes up and smells the coffee. We are getting so far up Sh*t Creek, people, that we are getting to the point of no return, especially as we have no paddle. I swear that if I hear one more pathetic 'racist' jibe I'm going to go stark staring raving mad! I'm absolutely sick of the PC brigade. Since when has nationalist translated as racist. Maybe you lot need a new dictionary. I lost family in WW2, as many people did. What on Earth for? For this? I'm glad my grandfather isn't alive to see this!

As for the EDP, what use are they? We don't have an England, or haven't you noticed? You can be Scottish, Welsh or Irish but you can't be English.

I'll be voting BNP and proud to do so. Why? Not because I'm a racist but because I'm British and proud of it. I'm sick of the traitorous way our country is being handed over to Europe. What's the matter, can't Gordon run the country without Europe holding his hand?

Smack a person of colour and it's a racist attack. He smacks you and it's assault. In fact, he smacks you first and you are arrested for a racist attack. And that's not racist? We are living in a world gone mad. The USA is having the same problem.

Oh, and by the way, as of Wednesday Britannia will no longer be on our 50p. What is to replace it has been kept a secret. Why? No doubt it will be something that celebrates ethnicity. Every last vestige of Britishness is being choked out of the this once great nation of ours. Even in my kids old Junior school. When I went there the houses were called Hillary, Campbell, Chichester and Bannister. Now they are Armstrong, Frank, Keller and Mandela. Can we no longer celebrate the achievements of the people of Britain and the commonwealth? How many of you actually realised that without Britain you wouldn't be posting on this blog. That's right the WWW is a British invention. How can any true Englishman stand back and allow this continuing genecide of British culture?

Ok, if not by voting for the BNP then how do we stop what is happening to our country? Answer: we don't! The BNP is the only political party with the courage to stand up and be counted. It's high time that all of you stood up also. Nearly everyone I speak to is basically saying what the BNP are saying. People have had enough. Stop believing the propaganda put out by a nervous government and think for yourselves. Look out for yourselves because this so called nanny state certainly isn't going to. Too busy doing deals in Europe and looking after number 1.

Well, that's my tuppence worth and I daresay that it will provoke some reaction. Quite frankly, I don't care. I will not be ashamed of my Englishness. Oh, and before you say it. I am not and never have been a racist. I grew up in a multiculteral area and have no problem with a multicultural society... as long as it is truly diverse and fair.

Pharty Politics wrote:
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SHREW wrote:
If john Stanton ever fancied moving to Oldham where I live, he would get my vote. There are to many spineless politicians who think exactly the same as John, but don’t have the guts to stand up and say it. Immigration has ruined this once great nation of ours its time to reverse the damage before its to late. Am I racist? No just sick to death of living under a fascist left wing neo Nazi government. (Oh BRING IT ON I suppose that there are no such thing as labour liberal conservative criminals?) There should be a public list every time there is a Rape , burglary , act off terrorism etc to see who they voted for. That would make an interesting read.

What if that person had voted BNP - like David Copeland?

Should that be made public as well? Or would BNP members be excluded?

Would it not be easier to explain succintly their policies for everyone to see rather than point people to a website?

How would they deal with global issues or overseas trade for example?</b>

Pharty Politics

If you are too lazy to click on a link and check their policies out for yourself, why do you think anyone else should make the effort to enlighten you? Perhaps you are too entrenched in the comfort of voting for the Political Parties that you are familiar with, the ones that have run this Country for years, and like so many voters, will just keep on voting for Labour/Cons/Liberals because you have always voted for them - whatever they actually do when in power?

The people of the UK have, for the last 11 years, lived under the most extremist Government possibly ever known in this Country - and yet people still refer to the BNP as the extremists.

Since the War, we have had successive Governments that have lied to us - from the 'Common Market' referendum - anyone else remember that? When the voters were told that we would be entering Europe for trading reasons only - and years later, now that we are ruled by unelected officials in Europe, the truth is out that this is what our elected 'representatives' intended for us all along.
We were also given the 'Welfare State' - originally to provide a safety net for people that fell on hard times - but now, through the decisions of successive governments to keep relaxing the rules - seemingly run for the benefit of those who choose not to work and support themselves, but would rather the taxpayer did.
We have had Capital Punishment abolished with the promise that Murderers would go to prison for life - only to discover years later that 'life' in reality means a sentence of approximately 7 years. Another decision made for us by the people that are supposed to represent us.
I could go on and on, but my point is that basically every Government since the last War has lied to or deceived the people of this Country in so many ways and at so many levels - and yet people don't think that Governments that act this way are extremist?

Very true, JC. In fact our democracy is a complete farce. The government are supposed to act for the people that elected them, despite personal views. I don't know anyone personally for whom this government is acting.

The idea of electing an MP is that they voice your views in parliament as parliament cannot accomodate everyone. Your MP is really just your spokesman. OK, hands up whose MP is actually voicing their views and opinions in parliament... anybody?

Stop the UAF wrote:
Bring in on, what's the matter? The UAF hierarchy and majority of unwashed activists are openly a Marxist Communist rabble. They are also clearly anti-democratic and anti-free speech and expression. They also fail to abide by electoral law as set down by the Electoral Commission. If you actually had any kind of reasonable 'argument' I would happily ponder my considered reply, but alas 'BNP Racist thugs and knuckledraggers' just don't cut it anymore. Just as calling them 'Nazi' is no longer relevant, a point examined here. http://www.whatnextj ournal.co.uk/pages/L atest/BNP.html

There you go again, labelling me as UAF - an organisation I hadn't even heard of until yesterday - rather than trying to address the facts. Labelling the BNP as Nazi may not be relevant - and neither is labelling me as UAF, Marxist, Labour, or anything else you can dream up. Unless you KNOW me, you're just pishing in the wind and making yourselves look even more foolish. This isn't about me - it's about the foul stench emanating from the BNP.

And Jane's still missing I see. What happened to the threat about finding me and where I live, Jane? Aren't the BNP Essex goons up to the job?

Pointing out that politicians from other parties are also idiots is no defence. That's like saying Hitler was OK, because Pol Pot and Stalin also committed genocide. Comparing your morals to politicians of any stripe is hardly setting the bar high, is it?

Seen it all before I'm afraid. Seen the hit squads going out to kick heads in. Seen the sudden surge of posters from across the nation suddenly appear on a website dedicated to an obscure corner of England as soon as some of us question the "respectable" image of the BNP.

Nobody is fooled, you know.

JC wrote:

Pharty Politics wrote: <b>

SHREW wrote: If john Stanton ever fancied moving to Oldham where I live, he would get my vote. There are to many spineless politicians who think exactly the same as John, but don’t have the guts to stand up and say it. Immigration has ruined this once great nation of ours its time to reverse the damage before its to late. Am I racist? No just sick to death of living under a fascist left wing neo Nazi government. (Oh BRING IT ON I suppose that there are no such thing as labour liberal conservative criminals?) There should be a public list every time there is a Rape , burglary , act off terrorism etc to see who they voted for. That would make an interesting read.

What if that person had voted BNP - like David Copeland? Should that be made public as well? Or would BNP members be excluded? Would it not be easier to explain succintly their policies for everyone to see rather than point people to a website? How would they deal with global issues or overseas trade for example?</b>

Pharty Politics If you are too lazy to click on a link and check their policies out for yourself, why do you think anyone else should make the effort to enlighten you? Perhaps you are too entrenched in the comfort of voting for the Political Parties that you are familiar with, the ones that have run this Country for years, and like so many voters, will just keep on voting for Labour/Cons/Liberals because you have always voted for them - whatever they actually do when in power? The people of the UK have, for the last 11 years, lived under the most extremist Government possibly ever known in this Country - and yet people still refer to the BNP as the extremists. Since the War, we have had successive Governments that have lied to us - from the 'Common Market' referendum - anyone else remember that? When the voters were told that we would be entering Europe for trading reasons only - and years later, now that we are ruled by unelected officials in Europe, the truth is out that this is what our elected 'representatives' intended for us all along. We were also given the 'Welfare State' - originally to provide a safety net for people that fell on hard times - but now, through the decisions of successive governments to keep relaxing the rules - seemingly run for the benefit of those who choose not to work and support themselves, but would rather the taxpayer did. We have had Capital Punishment abolished with the promise that Murderers would go to prison for life - only to discover years later that 'life' in reality means a sentence of approximately 7 years. Another decision made for us by the people that are supposed to represent us. I could go on and on, but my point is that basically every Government since the last War has lied to or deceived the people of this Country in so many ways and at so many levels - and yet people don't think that Governments that act this way are extremist?

Not at all. I would have thought that listing the BNPs main policies would have helped EVERYONE on this forum to get a clear picture of what they are voting for. Why am I lazy for asking that?

Surely rather than attacking a simple request you could have answered it. It's quite clear there are BNP members on this forum so how hard would it have been for one of them to have done that rather than copy and paste some list of "bad guys." That's not politics - that's just childish rebuttals. Tit for tat if you like. I expect that from the main parties. You need to be above that to get any real respect.

Plus my questions weren't answered. How would the BNP do business abroad if in power? Being viewed as a fascist power (fairly or unfairly) is going to harm trade - just as it has done in other fascist states.

To your question re: David Copeland. I'm sure with his love of the BNP I doubt he would have voted for any other party. However, that's neither here nor there. The guy was plainly nuts and nutjobs vote for the main parties as well.

I have no love of any political party myself but I don't see the BNP offering anything above an insular self-interest. What are the economic policies? All I hear about are race and immigration. Important - yes. However there needs to be more to a party than just that. How would the BNP improve education for example? I know nothing of there policies on that. All I picture is Nick Griffin on BBC saying that people shouldn't marry outside their "class" or "race". Sorry?

I'm sure some BNP candidates and members mean well and have good intentions but you need to come across better. I may be a little judgemental, but when I see some large guy tattooed up to the nines handing out BNP leaflets the first thing that crosses my mind is "thug." Why would I want to vote in a bunch of thugs? Wrong I know but prejudice is a two-way thing wouldn't you say?

Tony Ward wrote:

Nigel wrote: <b> The BNP are clearly racist, and a bunch of thugs, but unfortunately, the main parties, and of course particularly Labour, have buried their heads in the sand and still do. When William Hague, hardly an extremist, and undoubtedly the best brain in British politics, tried to raise immigration as a serious issue in the 2001 general election campaign, he was branded a racist by the very same Labour ministers who have created today\\\'s immigration crisis. If nothing is done, the BNP will gain support and the mainstream politicians will only have themselves to blame.</b>

Really, I'm a BNP candidate, my wife is mixed race and we went to the BNP xmas do. I left the RAF in 1983 and worked for the Israeli defence force.

You worked for the IDF?

Now there's an organisation with an unblemished record.

Er.... NOT.

Bring it on for such an alleged committed and high profile 'anti-BNP' mouthpiece we are all staggered that you have neither heard of UAF or wish yourself to be associated with the left wing of politics.

No, I don't know you, and nor do you me, but you appear to be happy to consider it fair game to label anyone voicing support for BNP with smears such as racists, thugs, spewing a foul stench (my latest particular favourite)

And where are all these BNP posters? Electoral Commission law does not allow 'posters' to be put up willy nilly.

BNP hit squads?? Where and when was this? And what were you doing there?

Over 5 years in the BNP and the only violence I have personally witnessed has been perpetrated by the travelling, hired rabble of the left. Friends of Angela Smith MP but not your mates, obviously.

You seem to consider you have discovered some profound new evidence to challenge the 'respectable image of the BNP'.

As I said, you give us some relevant 'facts' to address and I'll happily give it a go.

See how the usual far-left vermin flood this column to mask the truth.

It doesn't take that many words - unless it's all lies - which it is - all fabricated by the searchliar vermin and spewed out here in a despotic and useless attempt to hide the truth.

It's all here - read for yourselves -
www.bnp.org.uk/

Would someone please explain what 'searchliar' is?

Arthur wrote:
See how the usual far-left vermin flood this column to mask the truth. It doesn't take that many words - unless it's all lies - which it is - all fabricated by the searchliar vermin and spewed out here in a despotic and useless attempt to hide the truth. It's all here - read for yourselves - www.bnp.org.uk/

If the BNP get into power are people with opposite views going to be classed as vermin then? And exterminated? I'm sorry you feel that way, Arthur.

Seriously, BNP, you need to stop people like this advertising your party as it does more harm than good. It reeks of crazed paranoia.

It's convinced me not to vote for you now. Sorry.

Perhaps I'll just write "no suitable candidates" instead.

Bring it on for such an alleged committed and high profile 'anti-BNP' mouthpiece we are all staggered that you have neither heard of UAF or wish yourself to be associated with the left wing of politics.

I never claimed to be high profile. Those are your words. Poor start.

No, I don't know you, and nor do you me, but you appear to be happy to consider it fair game to label anyone voicing support for BNP with smears such as racists, thugs, spewing a foul stench (my latest particular favourite)

And you appear to think it's fine, on the other hand, to label people who don't agree with you as Marxists, UAF, or whatever other label was in this morning's paper. So hypocrisy isn't beyond you either. Poor middle.

And where are all these BNP posters? Electoral Commission law does not allow 'posters' to be put up willy nilly.

Posters = people who post. On a website. Like this one.

BNP hit squads?? Where and when was this? And what were you doing there?

London. Demonstrating against Nazism.

Over 5 years in the BNP and the only violence I have personally witnessed has been perpetrated by the travelling, hired rabble of the left. Friends of Angela Smith MP but not your mates, obviously.

Correct. Nobody that uses violence is my mate. And neither is Angela Smith MP.

You seem to consider you have discovered some profound new evidence to challenge the 'respectable image of the BNP'.

Wrong. It's not "new" at all, it's public knowledge. It's just that you and your chums appear to deny this particular reality, so clearly needed a quick reminder.

As I said, you give us some relevant 'facts' to address and I'll happily give it a go.

Well you can start with the cases posted above on this page, and explain how they back up the claims that the BNP is neither racist nor violent. Ignoring them - yet again - just makes you look silly, and blinkered. Poor ending.

Perhaps you could also help by answering the points raised by Pharty Politics. I'm sure that someone of your calibre can handle that, no?

I had to look it up but I believe it's someone who works or is affiliated with "Searchlight" magazine. It's a magazine aimed against fascism and racism. Never read it myself.

Why anyone would have a problem against a magazine that abhors such behaviour I don't know.

I guess it's the "bete-noir" of the BNP, that's all.

Andrew wrote:
Would someone please explain what 'searchliar' is?

I asked that too.

Silence....

Clearly not a "convenient" question I assume, thus ignored.

Plenty of existentialism in the BNP I see. I presume they read Nietzsche.

bring it on wrote:

Andrew wrote: Would someone please explain what 'searchliar' is?

I asked that too. Silence.... Clearly not a "convenient" question I assume, thus ignored. Plenty of existentialism in the BNP I see. I presume they read Nietzsche.

Shame. Some of the BNP advocates were quite eloquent in the points they were trying to put across.

I was ready to listen and give them the opportunity to express their points until Arthur of Swindon opened his mouth.

I didn't like his tone at all. After viewing old Max Mosley the other day it reminded me of past nazi heritage and how it never really goes away...

I had to look up the UAF as well. It's another organisation against Fascism. Don't have a problem with that. I doubt anyone wants to live under fascist rule unless you're the actual fascist.

However, I do believe the BNP have the right to express their views and for people to make their own minds up about them. To deny them that opportunity is against freedom of speech. Something I hold very dear.

If the BNP lie about things then they will be found out and distrusted just as our current Government has been found out to be doing.

They need to present themselves as "whiter than white" (no pun intended) for me to take them seriously as an alternative choice.

Pharty Politics wrote:
I had to look up the UAF as well. It's another organisation against Fascism. Don't have a problem with that. I doubt anyone wants to live under fascist rule unless you're the actual fascist. However, I do believe the BNP have the right to express their views and for people to make their own minds up about them. To deny them that opportunity is against freedom of speech. Something I hold very dear. If the BNP lie about things then they will be found out and distrusted just as our current Government has been found out to be doing. They need to present themselves as "whiter than white" (no pun intended) for me to take them seriously as an alternative choice.

Agreed.

If the more reasonable party members were honest about the bad apples then we might be more inclined to trust them on other issues.

There are some BNP policies I agree with, after all. It's just the ethos I have problems with.

And the way they mob websites, although that's normally more amusing than threatening. Ref Jane's feeble attempt.

Otherwise, happy to allow them their chance to speak. As you say, to do otherwise would be censorship, which I strongly disagree with.

Ho hum.

So, this is where we find ourselves. Basically we have a few BNP defenders, but apart from calling people "unwashed", "rabble", "vermin" and the like - which hardly helps when they're claiming to have given up the violent agressive intolerant side of the party - we've had no sign of the "truth" that they are in fact a respectable and reasonable political party.

As you've pointed out, PP, more often than not their comments only help to reinforce the image of racist thugs, as soon as the mask slips.

Shame.

I'll leave it for someone else to post the 100th comment, and trust that I'll be called something more accurate than traitor or Marxist this time.

Bring it on oooh, the facade falls, from an initial mere concerned voice in the wilderness you are now an 'anti-Nazi protester' on the streets of London.

On your own was you? Shopping in Harrods and thought you'd have a demonstration?

Must have been a long, long time ago in the days of the pre-UAF (seeing as you have never heard of them) ANaL and not against the BNP.

Hope you also protested on the streets against the Muslim Nazis a few years back. No? Thought not.

I do not condone anyone within the BNP who may have been convicted of anything. Chuck them out I say. They only do harm to the vast majority of good honest people within in.

Every party has it's idiots.

As for pharty politics, he is no more just a concerned, non party affiliated, voice of concern than you are.

And for him to be so judgemental of a fella with tattoos (bit of tired stereotype these days, not one I've personally seen when leafleting, and very doubtful it happened) is very intolerant, don't you think?

"As for pharty politics, he is no more just a concerned, non party affiliated, voice of concern than you are.

And for him to be so judgemental of a fella with tattoos (bit of tired stereotype these days, not one I've personally seen when leafleting, and very doubtful it happened) is very intolerant, don't you think?"

Stop the UAF - I think you missed the irony of my original comment.

I mean it's unlike the BNP to be judgmental based on stereotypes now is it from some of the comments I've read above?

I don't understand what you have against an organisation that seeks to rid the world of fascism though. That seems a bit odd and counter-productive to me.

To your surprise I am pretty neutral about political parties. They're all as bad as one another and the BNP wouldn't be any different if it got into power.

We'd just have a home secretary with H.A.T.E. tattooed on his knuckles ;)

On your own was you? Shopping in Harrods and thought you'd have a demonstration?

No, and no. Keep trying. Might be a good idea to be funny, or accurate, or even both next time.

Must have been a long, long time ago in the days of the pre-UAF (seeing as you have never heard of them) ANaL and not against the BNP.

Yes it was a long time ago. Yes it was against the BNP amongst others. Passed their HQ as I recall.

Hope you also protested on the streets against the Muslim Nazis a few years back. No? Thought not.

Really? You thought not? Interesting. No point in me answering then is there, since you already seem to know. Makes you come across as pretty arrogant though, don't you think? Wouldn't it have looked better if you had waited for my answer before condemning me?

I do not condone anyone within the BNP who may have been convicted of anything. Chuck them out I say. They only do harm to the vast majority of good honest people within in.

Glad to hear it from one of you. About time. I trust you'll be taking steps within the BNP to root these people out then. Otherwise it would just be all words. But I won't pre-empt the situation by claiming you haven't - that's your trick. Let's see whether you have - or will - do anything to back up these brave words.

In my personal opinion, the problem with 'anti-fascist' groups, is they tend to label anyone who does not conform to their politically correct view of the world as 'fascists'.
Not to mention that 'anti-fascist' groups tend to use quite fascist methods to silence their targets. Including character assassination, political smears, denial of freedom to speak (see their behaviour when BNP representatives were invited to speak at Oxford) and violence.
So anyone standing up and saying, 'there should be an English Parliament', or saying, 'hey its about time there was a limit to immigration', is automatically labelled a 'fascist' by the anti-fascists.

I am no BNP supporter, neither am I a liberal elitist, I am an Englishman who loves his country and culture and who wants to see a fair deal for England. I don't see any of the 'big three' parties offering that, so my vote will go elsewhere.

In my personal opinion, the problem with 'anti-fascist' groups, is they tend to label anyone who does not conform to their politically correct view of the world as 'fascists'.

I think you're right, there is a tendency amongst some to do exactly that. Just as there is the other way around, see above with the "Marxist" comments. Lazy. And it cheapens their own argument.

So anyone standing up and saying, 'there should be an English Parliament', or saying, 'hey its about time there was a limit to immigration', is automatically labelled a 'fascist' by the anti-fascists.

Well that's just pathetic. No matter what you think about those issues, they merit proper discussion, not throwing insults. That just demonstrates a lack of a cogent argument.

Fully agree with you Andrew. Intolerance - and fascism - goes both ways. Either way, they are unacceptable and mindless in my opinion.

English Democrats, BNP, anti-fascists and everyone else should be free to speak their minds. And others should be free to argue with them. That's one of the pillars that makes this country the place I love, and am proud to come from.

Andrew wrote:
In my personal opinion, the problem with 'anti-fascist' groups, is they tend to label anyone who does not conform to their politically correct view of the world as 'fascists'. Not to mention that 'anti-fascist' groups tend to use quite fascist methods to silence their targets. Including character assassination, political smears, denial of freedom to speak (see their behaviour when BNP representatives were invited to speak at Oxford) and violence. So anyone standing up and saying, 'there should be an English Parliament', or saying, 'hey its about time there was a limit to immigration', is automatically labelled a 'fascist' by the anti-fascists. I am no BNP supporter, neither am I a liberal elitist, I am an Englishman who loves his country and culture and who wants to see a fair deal for England. I don't see any of the 'big three' parties offering that, so my vote will go elsewhere.

I partly agree. Anyone who is "anti" anything sometimes never know when to stop. However, the whole BNP vs. UAF/Searchlight makes all parties look vindictive more than anything else. It's like the playground battles between two sets of bullies.

I'm with you. The big three parties are all pretty much redundant these days. Voting for either of them means the same thing.

I just believe the BNP has a lot of growing up to do.

That's not to say that their policies are any worse than anyone elses. It's just that they are resorting to the type of character assassination and crass politics that everyone is so tired of. We get enough of that from the big three parties.

As soon as I read all of that I just switch off and view them as any other political movement.

We need a bit more adult behaviour in politics. Not childish name calling.

Bring it on so you passed BNP HQ on route to your anti-BNP demo?

Sounds very much like Welling '93', the day when the anti-this and anti-that brigade, assorted unions, student types and far left extremists got all hot and bothered about some books and had a mass punch up with the Police, causing thousands of pounds in damage to private residential and public property with a ton of 'Reds' getting arrested.

How many BNP arrested?? Do remind us.

All this long before the emergence of the modern, electable, BNP which has a large number of women councillors.

Sorry, but if you were an proper bonafide anti-Nazi you would have put me in my place by saying your did stand on your own in Trafalgar Square to protest against the mad mullahs and their followers, as the UAF, sure you don't remember them (?), bottled it that day.

But perhaps you have now long since retired from active anti-Nazism and I wish you well with that.

Pharty politics , if the UAF did not exert fascist tendencies by seeking to deny opposition the right of free speech, expression and lawful assembly, acted within the democratic process and did not revert to violence, then maybe they might be taken seriously.

Perhaps the BNP would be no different in power, who knows until they receive sufficient votes, but either way, the ramblings on a coffee time, local paper message board are hardly going to change anyone's political leanings, are they?

either way, the ramblings on a coffee time, local paper message board are hardly going to change anyone's political leanings, are they?

Smartest thing you've said so far.

I won't bother with the rest. It's pathetic. If you can show me a certification of "proper bona fide anti Nazi" then you might be talking something more than cobblers.

Time waster.

Vicar and Doug,

Do you ever get any work done ???

So is the Rev still with the BNP, or has he dropped out?

Pharty Politics wrote:
At the end of the day people need to vote for who is going to serve them best. Producing long lists of "bad guys" doesn't mean anything. We all know there are good and bad in every party. It's policies that count. What ARE the BNP's policies that could sway me to vote for them? Telling me politicians are corrupt isn't something new. Let's have something concrete and realistic from the BNP is shape of actual workable policies.

Your first line is very true. Labour 'served' us for over 10 years... as a bull serves a cow!

a lie? wrote:
Mosque arson attack man is jailed A man who attacked a mosque in Swindon last August has been sentenced to five years in prison. Mark Bulman, from the Moredan area of Swindon, sprayed the walls with grafitti and then threw two petrol bombs at the building in Broad Street. One set fire to a door, the other went through a window, but failed to ignite. Bulman, 22, had pleaded guilty at Swindon Crown Court to attempted arson, arson, and two counts of religiously- aggravated damage to property. Det Insp Tim Corner said: \\\"Crimes of this nature can have an adverse impact on local communities and create fear. \\\"The sentencing today is a clear message that hate crime is taken very seriously by the police and partner agencies, including the judicial system.\\\" Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.u k/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/en gland/wiltshire/6235 299.stm

Haven't you yet cottoned on that the only race hatred that is being stirred is being done by the government and the loony dogooders that support them? As I have said before, a crime is only ever recorded as a racist crime when it is believed to be a white person against a person of colour. Never, ever, the other way round and usually not between ethnic groups. I do not deny that racist attacks take place but I reckon they are fewer than, say, those against Jews in the Eastend at the end of the 19th Century. But what about racist attacks on whites. These are happening as much as the other way round. However, the government don't want you to know about these. They happen! If the lefty pc brigade had've kept their noses out years ago then we really would have had a true multiculteral society. People would have naturally gelled and got along. As soon as one is told that he or she MUST make concessions because of a person's race or colour then human nature is to kick your heels in. However, pc awareness has gone mad. Take tv for example. Last Sunday I watched Casualty 1907. In it was a Chinese doctor and an Indian nurse. Whilst I do not have a problem with either in a modern hospital, this simply would not have been the case in the London Hospital in 1907. However, the ethnic minorities must be represented on tv and b*gger the historic accuracies. As I said pc gone mad!

Why is it that a white kid gets seriously assaulted by a gang of black youths and the police do not treat it as a racist attack, however, a white guy and a black guy get into it outside a club and its always racist against the black guy... no matter who started it or what the reason? There's your racism... there's your injustice... I really should get off these blogs, my blood pressure just cannot take it! It never fails to amaze me how blinkered some bloggers are and how they really do believe everything the media tell them. If people can't form an intellectual opinion for themselves then, frankly, they really shouldn't vote. Having read many of the same inane, ill thought out, regurgitated insults towards the BNP across many of the various web blogs I have come to the conclusion that our government are better brainwashers than Starling or Hitler ever were. In fact, our government act little better that Starling as they award themselves huge pay hikes and large expense accounts whilst the poor of the country get poorer! As I read the thoughts, or lack thereof, of many bloggers all I can think is: God help this country!