I may change my mind about voting again. It looks like a good opportunity for Mr/Mrs Average to voice his/her opinions and make some of these idiots pay for what they have done (or more importantly, what they havn't done!!!).

Time for a protest vote at least but not for the useless nu-Labour who have openly supported the Dole Farm Scrounge Mongers.

(and thats from a dyed in the wool socialist from way back when!!!)

Whoever you vote for, please, everyone, get out there and vote! Don't just sit at home and then write letters to the 'Echo' whingeing about what the councillors do or don't do.

Having said that, many of the decisions taken by elected councillors are limited by what they are allowed to do by central Government, by the unelected regional assembly, by funding, by Europe.

One of my favourite quotations is 'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing'. Please, at least, get out on 1st May and use your vote.

Margaret Stoll wrote:
Whoever you vote for, please, everyone, get out there and vote! Don't just sit at home and then write letters to the 'Echo' whingeing about what the councillors do or don't do.

Having said that, many of the decisions taken by elected councillors are limited by what they are allowed to do by central Government, by the unelected regional assembly, by funding, by Europe.

One of my favourite quotations is 'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing'. Please, at least, get out on 1st May and use your vote.

Margaret, of course you are technically right but as every year passes by, I feel that the current political climate of lies, bullsh*t, duplicity, self-interest and general incompetence has left me wondering if any party represents my 'English' aspirations anymore.

Everything appears to be in trouble from Education, NHS, Law and Order, Pensions, Immigration, benefit fraud, taxation etc.

Maybe its me (but I don't think so!)

Basildon Labour group leader Nigel Smith said: "I am very sad.

"The BNP is a very divisive party that offers nothing to the people of the district."

Bit of a rich statement coming from a Labour crony.

Basildon Labour group leader Nigel Smith said: "I am very sad.

"The BNP is a very divisive party that offers nothing to the people of the district.

The people of basildon are sad,sad with you lying arrogant cheating corrupt lot.

and as for divisive you do make me laugh, the bnp is more united than any one of the so called mainstream parties.

just remember mr smith this is from an annonymous little backdrop lane somewhere, remember those words....!
Its payback time from the people of basildon who you have treated with contempt.
your party wont be recieving a bloody nose it will be broken.

The BNP are mainly ordinary people who are brave enough to stand up for things that a great number of people are concerned about. If you think the BNP is racist take a look at their website. There is a section called "Is the BNP racist?" which will explain their position.

I think Nu-Liebour are going to get a bit more than a broken nose, they are going to get a b***dy good kicking!

They sold us out with the Lisbon Treaty when our UNELECTED Prime Minister signed it,

they denied us a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty,

they have DOUBLED income tax for the lowest earners from 10% to 20%,

they have opened our borders to anyone and everyone,

they have installed unelected regional quangos in England that tell

our elected councils what to do against the electorate's wishes,

they took us into an illegal war in Iraq on a parcel of lies

they have raised prescription charges in England while lowering or abolishing them in Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland.

they have kept tuition fees in England while abolishing them in Scotland,

they have raised petrol prices,

they have raised road tax,

they have raised council tax in England while freezing it in Scotland,

Yup. Nu-Liebour are going to get a proper pasting I think.

Andrew wrote: "Yup. Nu-Liebour are going to get a proper pasting I think."

I hope so, Andrew. That's why I'm standing as a candidate in Rochford. It's too easy just to sit on one's hands and moan about everything. I'm standing in spite of my advanced age, but even so, I'm a lot younger than one of the BNP candidates, who is 87, I think. At least he believes in something and is standing up for what he believes.

"they have raised council tax in England while freezing it in Scotland"

In 2000 we were paying just over £10 a month. We're now paying £117 a month. A 10% rise over just 7 years.

How about electing people on their ability to look after the interests of their constituents only?
I have been a supporter of the labour movement all my life, but never for their or any other parties' dogma! The only thing I am a bit puzzled about is this "unelected Prime Minister." After the media hounded out Lord Tony, wasn't Brown elected by the leaders of the party? (I am asking because I really don't know.) I thought that was how all PM's were elected.

I would seriously like to see proportional representation introduced locally though. Pity the lead parties aren't men enough to try it, we could get a bit of harmony in the country at last!

Thats the problem, Nu-Liebour have removed the ability of our elected councillors to work for local interests by instituting unelected regional quangos, like the East Of England regional Assembly, who can overturn local council decisions, and frequently do so.

Ricayboy wrote:
The BNP are mainly ordinary people who are brave enough to stand up for things that a great number of people are concerned about. If you think the BNP is racist take a look at their website. There is a section called "Is the BNP racist?" which will explain their position.

And this is exactly what the extreme right want. People who believe their propaganda and will blindly vote for them based on misinformation and lies.

Never forget that Hitler was voted in to power by the people of Germany who believed his lies and propaganda.

We have a great country that isn't being and won't be destroyed by immigration and asylum seekers. But it will be destroyed if politicians with extreme policies and views are elected to power. That truly would be a hate crime.

Remember in the area of South East Essex that we all live, it is a 95% English and White community (Census Figures), don't let the liars convince you otherwise.

We are not being over run, we are being manipulated!

Andrew wrote:
I think Nu-Liebour are going to get a bit more than a broken nose, they are going to get a b***dy good kicking! They sold us out with the Lisbon Treaty when our UNELECTED Prime Minister signed it, they denied us a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, they have DOUBLED income tax for the lowest earners from 10% to 20%, they have opened our borders to anyone and everyone, they have installed unelected regional quangos in England that tell our elected councils what to do against the electorate\'s wishes, they took us into an illegal war in Iraq on a parcel of lies they have raised prescription charges in England while lowering or abolishing them in Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland. they have kept tuition fees in England while abolishing them in Scotland, they have raised petrol prices, they have raised road tax, they have raised council tax in England while freezing it in Scotland, Yup. Nu-Liebour are going to get a proper pasting I think.

Just ourt of interest did Thatcher give us a referendum on the Maastrict Treaty or the ERM? Was Major not also an unelected leader when Thatcher was disposed?

yes he was. But I don't recall either Thatcher or Major promising referendums in their election manifestos. Nu-Liebour DID promise referendum and then went back on their word.

Andrew wrote:
yes he was. But I don't recall either Thatcher or Major promising referendums in their election manifestos. Nu-Liebour DID promise referendum and then went back on their word.

I don't want any referendums. What is the point of voting for people in the general elections and then demanding the right to vote on so called "important" issues.

Why have a dog and bark yourself. We have given them the job, let them get on with it and if we don't like it vote for some one else at the next election.

Also Major held a election within 18 months, even though he risked losing it. Brown got scared and is going to wait as long as possible. The BNP seem to thing they are the only ones from normal backgrounds. If you look at the jobs of a lot of councillors, you find they are from normal backgrounds and have normal jobs. Then there is the BNP councillors elected in other parts of the country, they fail to show up to council meetings, and when they do, fail to understand what is going on, e.g. one had to stop a meeting because he did not understand what interest rates were.

YOUR ALL IDIOTS.
If nu labour had'nt sold out the working class then there would'nt be any bnp.
tory tory tory.
bnp are a waste of space, if they are'nt racist then why do they attract racists? the bnp only exist on hate, fear and ignorance

Luke wrote:
Also Major held a election within 18 months, even though he risked losing it. Brown got scared and is going to wait as long as possible. The BNP seem to thing they are the only ones from normal backgrounds. If you look at the jobs of a lot of councillors, you find they are from normal backgrounds and have normal jobs. Then there is the BNP councillors elected in other parts of the country, they fail to show up to council meetings, and when they do, fail to understand what is going on, e.g. one had to stop a meeting because he did not understand what interest rates were.

Can you prove any of this? No, I thought not!

anon. wrote:
YOUR ALL IDIOTS. If nu labour had'nt sold out the working class then there would'nt be any bnp. tory tory tory. bnp are a waste of space, if they are'nt racist then why do they attract racists? the bnp only exist on hate, fear and ignorance

I regret to point out, "Anon", that you are semi-literate. Therefore your comments will have to be dismissed with contempt.

Localboy, get out of Hawkwell and take a look round Westcliff. You will soon see that the Census figures are a load of lies.

Local Boy wrote:

Ricayboy wrote: The BNP are mainly ordinary people who are brave enough to stand up for things that a great number of people are concerned about. If you think the BNP is racist take a look at their website. There is a section called "Is the BNP racist?" which will explain their position.

And this is exactly what the extreme right want. People who believe their propaganda and will blindly vote for them based on misinformation and lies. Never forget that Hitler was voted in to power by the people of Germany who believed his lies and propaganda. We have a great country that isn't being and won't be destroyed by immigration and asylum seekers. But it will be destroyed if politicians with extreme policies and views are elected to power. That truly would be a hate crime. Remember in the area of South East Essex that we all live, it is a 95% English and White community (Census Figures), don't let the liars convince you otherwise. We are not being over run, we are being manipulated!

Read this local boy,This was not writen by some uninformed racist. In Denmark, once-liberal immigration policies have forced huge governmental change and zero tolerance for Muslim immigrants intent on turning Denmark into an Islamic welfare haven. FSM Contributing Editor Susan MacAllen reveals a shocking reaction there and lessons America must learn.

Salute the Danish Flag! - It’s a Symbol of Western Freedom



By Susan MacAllen



In 1978-9 I was living and studying in Denmark. An elderly woman to whom I was close said something to me one day that puzzled me for many years after. I forget what the context of our conversation was, but she commented that I - as a young American in Denmark - should not let any Dane scold me about the way America had treated its black population, because the Danes in her view treated their immigrants at least as badly. I wasn’t sure which immigrants she meant, so I asked her. She answered that she meant those from the Middle East.



But in 1978 - even in Copenhagen, one didn’t see these Muslim immigrants. The Danish population embraced visitors, celebrated the exotic, went out of its way to protect each of its citizens. It was proud of its new brand of socialist liberalism - one in development since the conservatives had lost power in 1929 - a system where no worker had to struggle to survive, where one ultimately could count upon the state as in, perhaps, no other western nation at the time. The rest of Europe saw the Scandinavians as free-thinking, progressive and infinitely generous in their welfare policies. Denmark boasted low crime rates, devotion to the environment, a superior educational system and a history of humanitarianism.



Denmark was also most generous in its immigration policies - it offered the best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant: generous welfare payments from first arrival plus additional perks in transportation, housing and education. It was determined to set a world example for inclusiveness and multiculturalism. How could it have predicted that one day in 2005 a series of political cartoons in a newspaper would spark violence that would leave dozens dead in the streets - all because its commitment to multiculturalism would come back to bite?



By the 1990's the growing urban Muslim population was obvious - and its unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was obvious. Years of immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive enclaves. As the Muslim leadership became more vocal about what they considered the decadence of Denmark’s liberal way of life, the Danes - once so welcoming - began to feel slighted. Many Danes had begun to see Islam as incompatible with their long-standing values: belief in personal liberty and free speech, in equality for women, in tolerance for other ethnic groups, and a deep pride in Danish heritage and history.



The New York Post in 2002 ran an article by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, in which they forecasted accurately that the growing immigrant problem in Denmark would explode. In the article they reported:

· "Muslim immigrants…constitut
e 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending."

· "Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes."

· "Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane."

· "Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death - are one problem..."

· "Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark's Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim."



It is easy to understand why a growing number of Danes would feel that Muslim immigrants show little respect for Danish values and laws. An example is the phenomenon common to other European countries and the U.S.: some Muslims in Denmark who opted to leave the Muslim faith have been murdered in the name of Islam, while others hide in fear for their lives. Jews are also threatened and harassed openly by Muslim leaders in Denmark, a country where once Christian citizens worked to smuggle out nearly all of their 7,000 Jews by night to Sweden - before the Nazis could invade. I think of my Danish friend Elsa - who as a teenager had dreaded crossing the street to the bakery every morning under the eyes of occupying Nazi soldiers - and I wonder what she would say today.



In 2001, Denmark elected the most conservative government in some 70 years - one that had some decidedly non-generous ideas about liberal unfettered immigration. Today Denmark has the strictest immigration policies in Europe. ( Its effort to protect itself has been met with accusations of "racism" by liberal media across Europe - even as other governments struggle to right the social problems wrought by years of too-lax immigration.) If you wish to become Danish, you must attend three years of language classes. You must pass a test on Denmark’s history, culture, and a Danish language test. You must live in Denmark for 7 years before applying for citizenship. You must demonstrate an intent to work, and have a job waiting. If you wish to bring a spouse into Denmark, you must both be over 24 years of age, and you won’t find it so easy anymore to move your friends and family to Denmark with you. You will not be allowed to build a mosque in Copenhagen. Although your children have a choice of some 30 Arabic culture and language schools in Denmark, they will be strongly encouraged to assimilate to Danish society in ways that past immigrants weren’t.



In 2006, the Danish minister for employment, Claus Hjort Frederiksen, spoke publicly of the burden of Muslim immigrants on the Danish welfare system, and it was horrifying: the government’s welfare committee had calculated that if immigration from Third World countries were blocked, 75 percent of the cuts needed to sustain the huge welfare system in coming decades would be unnecessary. In other words, the welfare system as it existed was being exploited by immigrants to the point of eventually bankrupting the government. "We are simply forced to adopt a new policy on immigration. The calculations of the welfare committee are terrifying and show how unsuccessful the integration of immigrants has been up to now," he said.



A large thorn in the side of Denmark’s imams is the Minister of Immigration and Integration, Rikke Hvilshoj. She makes no bones about the new policy toward immigration, "The number of foreigners coming to the country makes a difference," Hvilshøj says, "There is an inverse correlation between how many come here and how well we can receive the foreigners that come." And on Muslim immigrants needing to demonstrate a willingness to blend in, "In my view, Denmark should be a country with room for different cultures and religions. Some values, however, are more important than others. We refuse to question democracy, equal rights, and freedom of speech."



Hvilshoj has paid a price for her show of backbone. Perhaps to test her resolve, the leading radical imam in Denmark, Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban, demanded that the government pay blood money to the family of a Muslim who was murdered in a suburb of Copenhagen, stating that the family’s thirst for revenge could be thwarted for money. When Hvilshoj dismissed his demand, he argued that in Muslim culture the payment of retribution money was common, to which Hvilshoj replied that what is done in a Muslim country is not necessarily what is done in Denmark. The Muslim reply came soon after: her house was torched while she, her husband and children slept. All managed to escape unharmed, but she and her family were moved to a secret location and she and other ministers were assigned bodyguards for the first time - in a country where such murderous violence was once so scarce.



Her government has slid to the right, and her borders have tightened. Many believe that what happens in the next decade will determine whether Denmark survives as a bastion of good living, humane thinking and social responsibility, or whether it becomes a nation at civil war with supporters of Sharia law. And meanwhile, Americans clamor for stricter immigration policies, and demand an end to state welfare programs that allow many immigrants to live on the public dole. As we in America look at the enclaves of Muslims amongst us, and see those who enter our shores too easily, dare live on our taxes, yet refuse to embrace our culture, respect our traditions, participate in our legal system, obey our laws, speak our language, appreciate our history . . . we would do well to look to Denmark, and say a prayer for her future and for our own.




med racist.

Well done to all at Basildon BNP.

Time once again for the fine people of Basildon to send out the very real message that they have no wish to see their communities turned into the crime ridden, multi-cultural hell holes, of their east end roots.

Basildon Labour group leader Nigel Smith said: "I am very sad.

"The BNP is a very divisive party that offers nothing to the people of the district.

"They have been seen off in the past and I am sure the good people of Basildon will see them off again."

Well, Nigel, look to your own party for creating THIS political climate. With YOUR DIVISIVE POLICIES of inflicting massive immigration and the Islamification of this country on its indigenous population.

And don't be so sure they will be "seen off"..

I speak to lots of ordinary people when out canvassing and they are sick to the back teeth of Labour.

So don't be so smug and complacent.

And no, the party I am standing for isn't the BNP, it's the English Democrats - and not in Basildon.

No one really wants BNP to take over any form of political control,because to be honest they would not have the faintest idea what to do.But people will vote as a protest at this Labour government who have sold our country down the road with the idiocy of no real immigration laws for years.And this idiot of a housing minister from Hacney sums it up earns 250,000 pounds,buils thousands of flats and moves half of Hackney into Basildon at the drop of a hat.Public sevices can not cope,its all a disgrace.Its a protest vote for me like so many others.Get stuffed Labour

If you can't find anyone to vote for, find someone to vote against. Personally, I'm looking forward to voting against the BNP.

Briefly......do your research properly and never, ever forget what the BNP REALLY represent and stand for.

Politics has to be approached, re: who we support, from the head and not from the guts.

Read your history books and learn how Hitler rose to power in Germany. He preyed on the fear of a panicking public.

On a lighter note, I perceive that most of the BNP supporters here are those who have serious spelling/grammar problems. That doesn't indicate to me a lack of intelligence - just a tendency to react from the gut and not from the head.

J , no one has to read history books, (a much over used, poor and tired smear anyway) they just have to look around them, daily.

Is it any wonder people are 'panicking'?

Andrew in Shoeburyness and Margaret Stoll wrote, or copied :-"they have raised council tax in England while freezing it in Scotland."
Not that I have much time for our present Government but I think you will find it is Alec Salmond and the SNP who have, or would like to freeze council tax in Scotland and not done and dusted just yet. Nothing to do with New Labour, apart from them signing the request forms from the Scots and Welsh for home rule. Margaret,sorry, but as a potential councillor you should get these things right.

J wrote:
Briefly......do your research properly and never, ever forget what the BNP REALLY represent and stand for. Politics has to be approached, re: who we support, from the head and not from the guts. Read your history books and learn how Hitler rose to power in Germany. He preyed on the fear of a panicking public. On a lighter note, I perceive that most of the BNP supporters here are those who have serious spelling/grammar problems. That doesn't indicate to me a lack of intelligence - just a tendency to react from the gut and not from the head.

On a lighter note, I perceive that most of the BNP supporters here are those who have serious spelling/grammar
problems.

Eye dont c wot as got 2 do wiv anyfink

Silky wrote:
Andrew in Shoeburyness and Margaret Stoll wrote, or copied :-"they have raised council tax in England while freezing it in Scotland."
Not that I have much time for our present Government but I think you will find it is Alec Salmond and the SNP who have, or would like to freeze council tax in Scotland and not done and dusted just yet. Nothing to do with New Labour, apart from them signing the request forms from the Scots and Welsh for home rule. Margaret,sorry, but as a potential councillor you should get these things right.

It has everything to do with Nu-Liebour. It was Nu-Liebour who granted Scotland their own devolved Parliament, thus allowing them to determine their own council tax. At the same time it is Nu-Liebour who steadfastly refuse the people of England the same right to a devolved Parliament. So we cannot make any changes to council tax in England.

Everywhere in Britain where you see division, poverty and unfairness, you will find the grubby hand of Nu-Liebour.

many people i know, myself included, moved out of ilford and the east end so we could live with our own kind and not live in a suburb of india or africa. This is one of the last chances you will get to vote to keep part of essex for the english anglo saxons who have been here for 1500 years. scotland for the scots, essex for the anglo saxons ,london for the immigrants, vote before it is too late ....

I am not one for 'Long Crap' messages!!

Maybe just maybe the only way to get what the country truly wants is to shock the normal politicians into action!!

vote to make the idiots realise that most people are fed up with the way we are heading in every aspect of life.

the undertaker wrote:
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Local Boy wrote:

Ricayboy wrote: The BNP are mainly ordinary people who are brave enough to stand up for things that a great number of people are concerned about. If you think the BNP is racist take a look at their website. There is a section called \"Is the BNP racist?\" which will explain their position.

And this is exactly what the extreme right want. People who believe their propaganda and will blindly vote for them based on misinformation and lies. Never forget that Hitler was voted in to power by the people of Germany who believed his lies and propaganda. We have a great country that isn\'t being and won\'t be destroyed by immigration and asylum seekers. But it will be destroyed if politicians with extreme policies and views are elected to power. That truly would be a hate crime. Remember in the area of South East Essex that we all live, it is a 95% English and White community (Census Figures), don\'t let the liars convince you otherwise. We are not being over run, we are being manipulated!

Read this local boy,This was not writen by some uninformed racist. In Denmark, once-liberal immigration policies have forced huge governmental change and zero tolerance for Muslim immigrants intent on turning Denmark into an Islamic welfare haven. FSM Contributing Editor Susan MacAllen reveals a shocking reaction there and lessons America must learn.

Salute the Danish Flag! - It’s a Symbol of Western Freedom



By Susan MacAllen



In 1978-9 I was living and studying in Denmark. An elderly woman to whom I was close said something to me one day that puzzled me for many years after. I forget what the context of our conversation was, but she commented that I - as a young American in Denmark - should not let any Dane scold me about the way America had treated its black population, because the Danes in her view treated their immigrants at least as badly. I wasn’t sure which immigrants she meant, so I asked her. She answered that she meant those from the Middle East.



But in 1978 - even in Copenhagen, one didn’t see these Muslim immigrants. The Danish population embraced visitors, celebrated the exotic, went out of its way to protect each of its citizens. It was proud of its new brand of socialist liberalism - one in development since the conservatives had lost power in 1929 - a system where no worker had to struggle to survive, where one ultimately could count upon the state as in, perhaps, no other western nation at the time. The rest of Europe saw the Scandinavians as free-thinking, progressive and infinitely generous in their welfare policies. Denmark boasted low crime rates, devotion to the environment, a superior educational system and a history of humanitarianism.



Denmark was also most generous in its immigration policies - it offered the best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant: generous welfare payments from first arrival plus additional perks in transportation, housing and education. It was determined to set a world example for inclusiveness and multiculturalism. How could it have predicted that one day in 2005 a series of political cartoons in a newspaper would spark violence that would leave dozens dead in the streets - all because its commitment to multiculturalism would come back to bite?



By the 1990\'s the growing urban Muslim population was obvious - and its unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was obvious. Years of immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive enclaves. As the Muslim leadership became more vocal about what they considered the decadence of Denmark’s liberal way of life, the Danes - once so welcoming - began to feel slighted. Many Danes had begun to see Islam as incompatible with their long-standing values: belief in personal liberty and free speech, in equality for women, in tolerance for other ethnic groups, and a deep pride in Danish heritage and history.



The New York Post in 2002 ran an article by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, in which they forecasted accurately that the growing immigrant problem in Denmark would explode. In the article they reported:

· \"Muslim immigrants…constitut
e 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.\"

· \"Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark\'s 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country\'s convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.\"

· \"Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.\"

· \"Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death - are one problem...\"

· \"Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark\'s Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.\"



It is easy to understand why a growing number of Danes would feel that Muslim immigrants show little respect for Danish values and laws. An example is the phenomenon common to other European countries and the U.S.: some Muslims in Denmark who opted to leave the Muslim faith have been murdered in the name of Islam, while others hide in fear for their lives. Jews are also threatened and harassed openly by Muslim leaders in Denmark, a country where once Christian citizens worked to smuggle out nearly all of their 7,000 Jews by night to Sweden - before the Nazis could invade. I think of my Danish friend Elsa - who as a teenager had dreaded crossing the street to the bakery every morning under the eyes of occupying Nazi soldiers - and I wonder what she would say today.



In 2001, Denmark elected the most conservative government in some 70 years - one that had some decidedly non-generous ideas about liberal unfettered immigration. Today Denmark has the strictest immigration policies in Europe. ( Its effort to protect itself has been met with accusations of \"racism\" by liberal media across Europe - even as other governments struggle to right the social problems wrought by years of too-lax immigration.) If you wish to become Danish, you must attend three years of language classes. You must pass a test on Denmark’s history, culture, and a Danish language test. You must live in Denmark for 7 years before applying for citizenship. You must demonstrate an intent to work, and have a job waiting. If you wish to bring a spouse into Denmark, you must both be over 24 years of age, and you won’t find it so easy anymore to move your friends and family to Denmark with you. You will not be allowed to build a mosque in Copenhagen. Although your children have a choice of some 30 Arabic culture and language schools in Denmark, they will be strongly encouraged to assimilate to Danish society in ways that past immigrants weren’t.



In 2006, the Danish minister for employment, Claus Hjort Frederiksen, spoke publicly of the burden of Muslim immigrants on the Danish welfare system, and it was horrifying: the government’s welfare committee had calculated that if immigration from Third World countries were blocked, 75 percent of the cuts needed to sustain the huge welfare system in coming decades would be unnecessary. In other words, the welfare system as it existed was being exploited by immigrants to the point of eventually bankrupting the government. \"We are simply forced to adopt a new policy on immigration. The calculations of the welfare committee are terrifying and show how unsuccessful the integration of immigrants has been up to now,\" he said.



A large thorn in the side of Denmark’s imams is the Minister of Immigration and Integration, Rikke Hvilshoj. She makes no bones about the new policy toward immigration, \"The number of foreigners coming to the country makes a difference,\" Hvilshøj says, \"There is an inverse correlation between how many come here and how well we can receive the foreigners that come.\" And on Muslim immigrants needing to demonstrate a willingness to blend in, \"In my view, Denmark should be a country with room for different cultures and religions. Some values, however, are more important than others. We refuse to question democracy, equal rights, and freedom of speech.\"



Hvilshoj has paid a price for her show of backbone. Perhaps to test her resolve, the leading radical imam in Denmark, Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban, demanded that the government pay blood money to the family of a Muslim who was murdered in a suburb of Copenhagen, stating that the family’s thirst for revenge could be thwarted for money. When Hvilshoj dismissed his demand, he argued that in Muslim culture the payment of retribution money was common, to which Hvilshoj replied that what is done in a Muslim country is not necessarily what is done in Denmark. The Muslim reply came soon after: her house was torched while she, her husband and children slept. All managed to escape unharmed, but she and her family were moved to a secret location and she and other ministers were assigned bodyguards for the first time - in a country where such murderous violence was once so scarce.



Her government has slid to the right, and her borders have tightened. Many believe that what happens in the next decade will determine whether Denmark survives as a bastion of good living, humane thinking and social responsibility, or whether it becomes a nation at civil war with supporters of Sharia law. And meanwhile, Americans clamor for stricter immigration policies, and demand an end to state welfare programs that allow many immigrants to live on the public dole. As we in America look at the enclaves of Muslims amongst us, and see those who enter our shores too easily, dare live on our taxes, yet refuse to embrace our culture, respect our traditions, participate in our legal system, obey our laws, speak our language, appreciate our history . . . we would do well to look to Denmark, and say a prayer for her future and for our own.




med racist.</b>

As always BNP supporters pick examples that have no relevance to UK society.

It is the future of my country I am concerned about and scaremongering right wingers don't frighten me, muslim extremists don't frighten me, left wing commies also.

What does frighten me is I live in a country where the politicians of all ilks want me to be scared. Scared of saying what I think, scared of losing my job, scared of teenagers who hang around street corners, and for the BNP scared of anyone with a different coloured skin to mine or a different accent.

The reason the BNP want me scared is so that they can frighten me to taking the actions that they want i.e. voting to give them power so that they can solve all of the so called problems that we are supposed to have.

But what they haven't counted on is that I'm English matey, not some wimp who will be cowed by big mouthed bullies telling me I need to live in fear.

I assume the BNP will allow me to claim English citizenship as I have to admit my ancestors cane across with William the Conquerer in 1066, God does this mean I'm a Johnny Foreigner too?

I won't be focusing on the policies of hate, I'll be looking and voting for the politicians who demonstrate a positive way forward for all the people of this country.

If we all do the same, and actually vote, it will be a better future for all.

evilc wrote:
<b> I am not one for 'Long Crap' messages!!

Maybe just maybe the only way to get what the country truly wants is to shock the normal politicians into action!!

vote to make the idiots realise that most people are fed up with the way we are heading in every aspect of life.</b>

As I said in another post, Germany did that, they got Hitler!

Here is a little tale that will gladden your heart.
My son and his family emigrated to Canada some time ago, so I do not see my grandchildren in the flesh anymore, just via a Webcam.
My son had to go through a very rigorous selection process before he was accepted into the country; he had to show that he could support himself and his family without appealing to welfare benefits. He had to have a job confirmed before he was able to leave the UK.
Since being there he had purchased two cars, has purchased a house of over 2,500 sq feet for a measley £113,000($129.000). It has five beds, family room, lounge, kitchen/diner/dining room/utility room and over 1 acre of ground.
When I asked him why he moved to another country, all the answers I got are mainly listed above in other comments.
My grandson was going home speaking polish words and asking his Dad what they mean, rather than previously when he was asking the meaning of the F-word, the C-word etc; his town was being flooded with immigrants and all the english people were leaving, especially when they changed the local butchers into a Mosque.
I asked him the other day had he any regrets. No he said, I can go to work and be there all day without hearing one swear word. nuff said.

(Andrew in Shoeburyness). It doesn't matter which party won the elections over the past decade the Scots would still have had devolution, there is no way it could have been stopped without a revolution, and I do know what I am talking about here as I spend time in Scotland on business every year, so I get my info first hand. But I am not a New Labour or an SNP fan and I might even vote for the English Democrats if they and their supporters just get their facts right.

Local Boy wrote:

Ricayboy wrote: The BNP are mainly ordinary people who are brave enough to stand up for things that a great number of people are concerned about. If you think the BNP is racist take a look at their website. There is a section called \\\"Is the BNP racist?\\\" which will explain their position.

And this is exactly what the extreme right want. People who believe their propaganda and will blindly vote for them based on misinformation and lies. Never forget that Hitler was voted in to power by the people of Germany who believed his lies and propaganda. We have a great country that isn\\\'t being and won\\\'t be destroyed by immigration and asylum seekers. But it will be destroyed if politicians with extreme policies and views are elected to power. That truly would be a hate crime. Remember in the area of South East Essex that we all live, it is a 95% English and White community (Census Figures), don\\\'t let the liars convince you otherwise. We are not being over run, we are being manipulated!

hold on here we currently have an unelected prime minister and scottish sorry scotland but i find it strange why he would feel compeeled to serve his time in his homeland, we are fed lies day in day out from new labour so what is the difference if the BNP are liars theres only one way to find out vote them in at least they will be voted for not just handed the job to screw up. how the hell did brown ever last this long incompetency at its highest hes a puppet.

Enoch wrote:

Local Boy wrote:

Ricayboy wrote: The BNP are mainly ordinary people who are brave enough to stand up for things that a great number of people are concerned about. If you think the BNP is racist take a look at their website. There is a section called \\\\\\\"Is the BNP racist?\\\\\\\" which will explain their position.

And this is exactly what the extreme right want. People who believe their propaganda and will blindly vote for them based on misinformation and lies. Never forget that Hitler was voted in to power by the people of Germany who believed his lies and propaganda. We have a great country that isn\\\\\\\'t being and won\\\\\\\'t be destroyed by immigration and asylum seekers. But it will be destroyed if politicians with extreme policies and views are elected to power. That truly would be a hate crime. Remember in the area of South East Essex that we all live, it is a 95% English and White community (Census Figures), don\\\\\\\'t let the liars convince you otherwise. We are not being over run, we are being manipulated!

hold on here we currently have an unelected prime minister and scottish sorry scotland but i find it strange why he would feel compeeled to serve his time in his homeland, we are fed lies day in day out from new labour so what is the difference if the BNP are liars theres only one way to find out vote them in at least they will be voted for not just handed the job to screw up. how the hell did brown ever last this long incompetency at its highest hes a puppet.

also if you were here as an illegal immigrant would you fill in the census bo**c** would you we are over run in the south east do your own census i play it in the car with the kids white black asian game try it you will be amazed i am not being racist its another part of our wonderful multi culturalism and great for educating the kids.

As always BNP supporters pick examples that have no relevance to UK society.



Local boy , where does it state i vote bnp...! a bit pressumptious arent you.
That actual report does not affect this country, But its contents do as this country is heading down the same path.
The nazis were bad enough under hitler, but some of these fanatical muslim clerics are far worse if given the chance.
This is'nt scare mongering these are facts, go onto you tube and type in islamification of europe and listen to the speech's of those lunatic mullah's and clerics.
They preach that they will behead all non believers and exterminate every jew, their words not mine.
If you believe that we can live in harmony with muslims then your very mistaken or deluded.If that was the case why dont they spread their selves around the country and not live in muslim only enclaves.

paul wrote:
many people i know, myself included, moved out of ilford and the east end so we could live with our own kind and not live in a suburb of india or africa. This is one of the last chances you will get to vote to keep part of essex for the english anglo saxons who have been here for 1500 years. scotland for the scots, essex for the anglo saxons ,london for the immigrants, vote before it is too late ....

Will you learn the English language if the BNP get in?

BNP BE AFRAID :
WATCH WHAT DOOR YOU KNOCK ON AS YOU NAZI SCUM ARE NOT WELCOME ON MINE!!!!
MY DAD FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY AND HAS LIVED HERE FOR 55 YRS BUT YOU WOULD CALL HIM A FORIGNER!!!!!
HE HAS PAID TAX, BOUGHT HIS OWN HOUSE ETC, NEVER SPONGED OF THE STATE, BASILDON MIGHT GET YOUR VOTE JUST PROMISE AN EXTRA SHELL SUIT PER SHAZ AND DAVE THE ARE SPONGING FROM US TAX PAYERS. ACTUALLY CAN'T WAIT FOR THE DOOR BELL TO RING AS I LIKE TO SEE NAZI SCUN RUN

thruth wrote:
BNP BE AFRAID : WATCH WHAT DOOR YOU KNOCK ON AS YOU NAZI SCUM ARE NOT WELCOME ON MINE!!!! MY DAD FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY AND HAS LIVED HERE FOR 55 YRS BUT YOU WOULD CALL HIM A FORIGNER!!!!! HE HAS PAID TAX, BOUGHT HIS OWN HOUSE ETC, NEVER SPONGED OF THE STATE, BASILDON MIGHT GET YOUR VOTE JUST PROMISE AN EXTRA SHELL SUIT PER SHAZ AND DAVE THE ARE SPONGING FROM US TAX PAYERS. ACTUALLY CAN\'T WAIT FOR THE DOOR BELL TO RING AS I LIKE TO SEE NAZI SCUN RUN

Oo-er we're really scared! And even more scared of your grammer.

thruth wrote:
BNP BE AFRAID : WATCH WHAT DOOR YOU KNOCK ON AS YOU NAZI SCUM ARE NOT WELCOME ON MINE!!!! MY DAD FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY AND HAS LIVED HERE FOR 55 YRS BUT YOU WOULD CALL HIM A FORIGNER!!!!! HE HAS PAID TAX, BOUGHT HIS OWN HOUSE ETC, NEVER SPONGED OF THE STATE, BASILDON MIGHT GET YOUR VOTE JUST PROMISE AN EXTRA SHELL SUIT PER SHAZ AND DAVE THE ARE SPONGING FROM US TAX PAYERS. ACTUALLY CAN'T WAIT FOR THE DOOR BELL TO RING AS I LIKE TO SEE NAZI SCUN RUN

The only Nazis in this country are the mmebers of the Labour Party

Let's not get carried away here as there are a lot of emotional posts. It's very very simple VOTE BNP and the all the parties suddely sit up and listen. Labour used to hold the position as the party of the working man - this government will be seen as the biggest traitors in history. I was a staunch labout voter -NEVER ever again. BNP are the only party who will represent what labour see as the most unimportant in society - the white English working class. VOTE BNP and stick rwo fingers up to labour - the traitors party of England

Local Boy wrote:
<b> I apologise for my earlier bull. After visiting www.bnp.org.uk and reading the truth I realise now that we all must VOTE BNP!</b>

Typical of the BNP. They need to steal other peoples aliases to get there lies across!

They are the consummate manipulators of the truth and they will do anything to achieve their ends.

Enoch wrote:

Enoch wrote:

Local Boy wrote:

Ricayboy wrote: The BNP are mainly ordinary people who are brave enough to stand up for things that a great number of people are concerned about. If you think the BNP is racist take a look at their website. There is a section called \\\\\\\"Is the BNP racist?\\\\\\\" which will explain their position.

And this is exactly what the extreme right want. People who believe their propaganda and will blindly vote for them based on misinformation and lies. Never forget that Hitler was voted in to power by the people of Germany who believed his lies and propaganda. We have a great country that isn\\\\\\\'t being and won\\\\\\\'t be destroyed by immigration and asylum seekers. But it will be destroyed if politicians with extreme policies and views are elected to power. That truly would be a hate crime. Remember in the area of South East Essex that we all live, it is a 95% English and White community (Census Figures), don\\\\\\\'t let the liars convince you otherwise. We are not being over run, we are being manipulated!

hold on here we currently have an unelected prime minister and scottish sorry scotland but i find it strange why he would feel compeeled to serve his time in his homeland, we are fed lies day in day out from new labour so what is the difference if the BNP are liars theres only one way to find out vote them in at least they will be voted for not just handed the job to screw up. how the hell did brown ever last this long incompetency at its highest hes a puppet.

also if you were here as an illegal immigrant would you fill in the census bo**c** would you we are over run in the south east do your own census i play it in the car with the kids white black asian game try it you will be amazed i am not being racist its another part of our wonderful multi culturalism and great for educating the kids.

Some kind of game that is to teach kids, and If that isn't being racist then I don't know what is.........
UNDERTAKER...

Local Boy wrote:

Local Boy wrote: <b> I apologise for my earlier bull. After visiting www.bnp.org.uk and reading the truth I realise now that we all must VOTE BNP!</b>

Typical of the BNP. They need to steal other peoples aliases to get there lies across! They are the consummate manipulators of the truth and they will do anything to achieve their ends.

The BNP supporters on here amount to three, and they are all the same people..LMAO

And there was I thinking we'd seen the last of the National Front! Nope still going strong, bragging about being English but unfortunately never learning to use it!

I’m sick of all this muck throwing. People should stop and take a good look at what is going on in the real world. Our leaders have sent our soldiers overseas to fight a war in Iraq in the name of peace. The dead and wounded are flown in at night to hide the numbers and not given the honours they deserve.

The soldiers have to change out of their uniform before landing so they do not upset anyone. So if this is what our leaders think of our heroes you can imagine what they think of us everyday folk. I mean last year 2/3s of Basildon was either too lazy or too scared to go out and vote so maybe they have a point.

As for our local council leaders their to busy fighting each other to care about the cost to the local people.

Its time to make an educated vote and not because that’s the way you’ve always voted or the way your parents voted. Its because this country needs change.

No Politian, political party or governmental authority can change these social divides that exist in our community and the BNP will only make these matters much worse. It’s down to us as individuals to bridge these divides and build a strong united community. I think there should be a national “Say HI to a Muslim”, “Hold Hands with a Gay” and “Hug a Hoodie” day. It’ll really go against the grain for most of us, me included, but I’m sure we’d find that they’re all not that bad after all.

Silky wrote:
(Andrew in Shoeburyness). It doesn't matter which party won the elections over the past decade the Scots would still have had devolution, there is no way it could have been stopped without a revolution, and I do know what I am talking about here as I spend time in Scotland on business every year, so I get my info first hand. But I am not a New Labour or an SNP fan and I might even vote for the English Democrats if they and their supporters just get their facts right.

I know what I'm talking about too, I have many friends in Caithness, I am born English, to an English family and have lived in England all my 46 years.
In that time I have seen good and bad, mass employment and mass unemployment. Times to be proud of my country, times when I was less so.

But in the last ten years I have had to watch a wholesale assault on England and the English people by Nu-Liebour. They refuse to give England the same devolved rights enjoyed by the rest of the UK. They tax the people of England more than the rest of the UK, they give the people of England worse education, health and public services than the rest of the UK, they allow England to be flooded with millions of migrants with no limit, they deliberately oppress English culture and traditions in favour of 'minorities', they stamp down on people being proud to be English but encourage everyone else to be proud of their various heritages.

Nu-Liebour have and are actively engaged in removing England from the map and English rom the dictionary.

The sooner Nu-Liebour, and every other sick spineless politically-correct liberal, are swinging from the lampposts of Westminster the better.

EBONY AND IVORY.

Some kind of game that is to teach kids, and If that isn't being racist then I don't know what is.........
UNDERTAKER...

And what exactly is your point....!

Enoch wrote:

Enoch wrote:

Local Boy wrote:

Ricayboy wrote: The BNP are mainly ordinary people who are brave enough to stand up for things that a great number of people are concerned about. If you think the BNP is racist take a look at their website. There is a section called \\\\\\\"Is the BNP racist?\\\\\\\" which will explain their position.

And this is exactly what the extreme right want. People who believe their propaganda and will blindly vote for them based on misinformation and lies. Never forget that Hitler was voted in to power by the people of Germany who believed his lies and propaganda. We have a great country that isn\\\\\\\'t being and won\\\\\\\'t be destroyed by immigration and asylum seekers. But it will be destroyed if politicians with extreme policies and views are elected to power. That truly would be a hate crime. Remember in the area of South East Essex that we all live, it is a 95% English and White community (Census Figures), don\\\\\\\'t let the liars convince you otherwise. We are not being over run, we are being manipulated!

hold on here we currently have an unelected prime minister and scottish sorry scotland but i find it strange why he would feel compeeled to serve his time in his homeland, we are fed lies day in day out from new labour so what is the difference if the BNP are liars theres only one way to find out vote them in at least they will be voted for not just handed the job to screw up. how the hell did brown ever last this long incompetency at its highest hes a puppet.

also if you were here as an illegal immigrant would you fill in the census bo**c** would you we are over run in the south east do your own census i play it in the car with the kids white black asian game try it you will be amazed i am not being racist its another part of our wonderful multi culturalism and great for educating the kids.

i play it in the car with the kids white black asian game try it you will be amazed

PEOPLE, THIS IS THE VERY REASON NOT TO VOTE BNP

Jesus Christ wrote:
No Politian, political party or governmental authority can change these social divides that exist in our community and the BNP will only make these matters much worse. It’s down to us as individuals to bridge these divides and build a strong united community. I think there should be a national “Say HI to a Muslim”, “Hold Hands with a Gay” and “Hug a Hoodie” day. It’ll really go against the grain for most of us, me included, but I’m sure we’d find that they’re all not that bad after all.

You got it wrong 2000 years ago (remember what happened?) and you have still got it wrong.

They hate us!! They are just feathering their own nests by using all the laws and culture that they despise.

As for the social divides, it's the bloody politicians that cause all the friction in the first place by thinking cheap labour would line their avaricious pockets.

Remember, 'We' didn't ask for this!

the undertaker wrote:
EBONY AND IVORY. Some kind of game that is to teach kids, and If that isn't being racist then I don't know what is......... UNDERTAKER... And what exactly is your point....!

I agree.

Dry cracker eating competitions are far more entertaining.

I don't know who I'll be voting for, politics in the UK are effed up completely these days.

But I will say this, I would rather staple my eye lids to my desk than vote for the Traiterous Nu Labour party.
My Great Grand Father and Grand Father are turning in their graves over what these 'people' have done to a once proud party.

What has happened to the party of the average man?

hear, hear. Trouble is, there is no 'average' man anymore. Most of the working class is being paid off to be the Benefit class, the others are doomed wannabee celebrities.

We have developed into a nation of 'I'm alright, Jack' Bozos.

thruth wrote:
BNP BE AFRAID : WATCH WHAT DOOR YOU KNOCK ON AS YOU NAZI SCUM ARE NOT WELCOME ON MINE!!!! MY DAD FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY AND HAS LIVED HERE FOR 55 YRS BUT YOU WOULD CALL HIM A FORIGNER!!!!! HE HAS PAID TAX, BOUGHT HIS OWN HOUSE ETC, NEVER SPONGED OF THE STATE, BASILDON MIGHT GET YOUR VOTE JUST PROMISE AN EXTRA SHELL SUIT PER SHAZ AND DAVE THE ARE SPONGING FROM US TAX PAYERS. ACTUALLY CAN'T WAIT FOR THE DOOR BELL TO RING AS I LIKE TO SEE NAZI SCUN RUN

Oh dear, threats of violence, and anti-white stereotyping.

How very tolerant of you.

Thankfully, we still have a democracy (just)in this country and you are entitled to your opinion.

After all, your father helped fight for those rights, and I thank him for that.

And no, the BNP would not class him a foreigner although, with your attitude, one might expect your neighbours to vote BNP.

Im so pleased that I can now vote BNP, kick Labour out and put the Great back into Great Britain!

If everyone is so proud to vote BNP, why are they scared to reveal their names?

James Hall wrote:
<b> If everyone is so proud to vote BNP, why are they scared to reveal their names?</b>

ok leftie, ive posted mine. Vote BNP! I feel sorry for the ambulance, fire and police service! They have a hard deal with the way labour are running things!

VOTE BNP wrote:
Im so pleased that I can now vote BNP, kick Labour out and put the Great back into Great Britain!

I don't think the Scottish and Welsh like being British so the BNP will have to become the ENP.

Nigel wrote:

James Hall wrote: <b> If everyone is so proud to vote BNP, why are they scared to reveal their names?</b>

ok leftie, ive posted mine. Vote BNP! I feel sorry for the ambulance, fire and police service! They have a hard deal with the way labour are running things!

I've read this boll*cks on here and as far as I can see there is still racial hatred within the BNP.

What do you think of the comment made by 'Enoch' above, regarding the black/white/asian game, is that not encouraging racial hatred?

having lost 3 jobs in the last 5 years to cheap indians imported from india, I know who will be getting my vote !

These are local elections and have nothing to do with National politics!

So Immigration, Jobs, EU Membership are general election issues.

You should be voting on local Issues.

bill wrote:
having lost 3 jobs in the last 5 years to cheap indians imported from india, I know who will be getting my vote !

You don't/can't get the sack because your employer can get cheap workers from India.

To be fair, I recall a case of a fast food worker being 'sacked', then an cheap immigrant being employed in his place.
The employer was found guilty, although I can't remember what the charge was.
It does happen, just because somethings illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen. (I suppose there'd be no crime otherwise!)

Oh and never forget G*bSh*te Browns tax breaks for soldiers, looks like he was having another little laugh...

Read on..
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/main.jht
ml?xml=/news/2008/04
/08/ntax108.xml

Gang of toads.

The Truth at Last wrote:

thruth wrote: BNP BE AFRAID : WATCH WHAT DOOR YOU KNOCK ON AS YOU NAZI SCUM ARE NOT WELCOME ON MINE!!!! MY DAD FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY AND HAS LIVED HERE FOR 55 YRS BUT YOU WOULD CALL HIM A FORIGNER!!!!! HE HAS PAID TAX, BOUGHT HIS OWN HOUSE ETC, NEVER SPONGED OF THE STATE, BASILDON MIGHT GET YOUR VOTE JUST PROMISE AN EXTRA SHELL SUIT PER SHAZ AND DAVE THE ARE SPONGING FROM US TAX PAYERS. ACTUALLY CAN\\\'T WAIT FOR THE DOOR BELL TO RING AS I LIKE TO SEE NAZI SCUN RUN

Oo-er we\'re really scared! And even more scared of your grammer.

Grammer or should that be grammar?

Local Boy wrote:

Local Boy wrote: <b> I apologise for my earlier bull. After visiting www.bnp.org.uk and reading the truth I realise now that we all must VOTE BNP!</b>

Typical of the BNP. They need to steal other peoples aliases to get there lies across! They are the consummate manipulators of the truth and they will do anything to achieve their ends.

As you can see, Local Boy is confused. He obviously doesn't have a sex life and has to cuddle up to his computer instead at 11:51pm.

I remember when he used to be called Frank, or was it Doug?

Jesus Christ wrote:
No Politian, political party or governmental authority can change these social divides that exist in our community and the BNP will only make these matters much worse. It’s down to us as individuals to bridge these divides and build a strong united community. I think there should be a national “Say HI to a Muslim”, “Hold Hands with a Gay” and “Hug a Hoodie” day. It’ll really go against the grain for most of us, me included, but I’m sure we’d find that they’re all not that bad after all.

You are my slave Jesus!

the undertaker wrote:
EBONY AND IVORY. Some kind of game that is to teach kids, and If that isn't being racist then I don't know what is......... UNDERTAKER... And what exactly is your point....!

My point is you are inciting racial awareness to your kids yet you bleat on about not being racist, thus displaying the traits of a typical BNP supporter.

If that's what you and your lot stand for then count me out.

I don't know why but I always associate bnp supporters as being 20 somethings who like footy, beer and a good fight.

Reading the above I suspect the undertaker is exactly that.

Lucy, no else knows why either, but we can can overlook your ignorance this time.

Nigel wrote:

James Hall wrote: <b> If everyone is so proud to vote BNP, why are they scared to reveal their names?</b>

ok leftie, ive posted mine. Vote BNP! I feel sorry for the ambulance, fire and police service! They have a hard deal with the way labour are running things!

Why is it that the Far Left think that everyone who disagrees with them is a racist and the Far Right think everyone who disagrees with them is a leftie?

It just doesn't occur to them that normal people are able to think any differently to their own train of thought.

And to the paranoid BNP supporter posting as "Local Boy", pls note I've never posted under any other name than my own on here. I'll even swear on your copy of Mein Kampf if you like!

Frank

James Hall wrote:
If everyone is so proud to vote BNP, why are they scared to reveal their names?

I'm not afraid to use my real name.

knobby wrote:
hear, hear. Trouble is, there is no 'average' man anymore. Most of the working class is being paid off to be the Benefit class, the others are doomed wannabee celebrities. We have developed into a nation of 'I'm alright, Jack' Bozos.

And the "I'm alright Jack" attitude was introduced during Thatchers years
So who do we vote for?
BNP = bad bad choice
Labour = disaster
Tories = even more disaster
Libs = don't make me laugh. How many people even know their leader

Give us a real choice that's not built on the nice smile/nice hairdo image

Sobering thought that in todays politics, Churchill would not have got a look in.

Not pleasing to the eye I'm afraid

Well well what a surprise - another thread about the BNP, and the same old story.

Personal insults against those who disagree with their poisonous lies. Pathetic attempts to post as people who don't slavishly follow their racist doctrine. And of course the usual knuckle-headed comments about Hitler and Powell - by people who know nothing of either of them.

Thank God I live in an area where we have proper human beings like Local Boy. (The real one, not the mindless loser pretending to be him)

Go ahead and vote BNP if you want to, you're free to do so. But you'll never get any representation, you'll never get any help from them, and you'll certainly never get what you voted for. What a waste of time.

Piano Hinges , as you have obviously lived in a ward with a BNP Councillor, perhaps you could enlighten us as to how they personally failed you.

After all, they are not your average snouts in the trough, committee grabbing, bump up the expenses career politicians, just mere brave and concerned local people who, I am sure, would wish to learn from any past mistakes in helping you.

"Stop the UAF", you say "obviously", as if I made some implications along those lines. I did not.

Are you trying to put words in my mouth in an attempt to discredit me, rather than address my comments? How very BNP. When you've already lost the argument, you always attack the person rather than the message.

I think you missed the target this time.

For your information, the list of BNP councillors who have failed to show up for meetings, failed to represent their constituents, and in some cases been sentenced for criminal offences, is shamefully long. Perhaps your pals at the UAF can enlighten you as to some of them, and then we can all learn from their "mistakes".

One thing I've learned from the mistakes of those poor souls who voted BNP, is not to allow them to instal a councillor in my ward. Perhaps it's time you learned something too.

Don't believe what you read in the media. Check out the BNP web site, the most visited political website in Britain. I did and I was pleasantly surprised. You too can become one of "Ordinary people, just like you, making a difference."
We want our country back. We are not racist. The BNP is not just about immigration. It is about pride and purpose and a future for our children.

Very eloquent post Ricayboy - I hope you get what you are looking for from the BNP, but based on their past record I would advise you to prepare yourself for disappointment.

"Don't believe what you read in the media" is good advice to an extent. You should always question what you are told - what is the motivation of the person telling you?

For example I read in the Daily Mail that we are being "swamped" by immigrants, and I read that there is an ongoing "Islamification" of Britain. I suggest we all take your advice and not believe it, until we can find the real truth.

Pride and purpose and a future for our children is a good thing to aspire to. It is my personal opinion that the BNP will not take us there, as the divisions they will cause will destroy our society, our purpose, and any future our children may have.

Don't believe what you read in the media. Check out the BNP web site, the most visited political website in Britain.

Interesting claim - presumably the media told you about this "most visited" statistic.

I checked this out, and guess what I found. It's not strictly true - there is a (foreign) political website which gets more hits from the UK than the BNP.

“Barackobama.com was the 11th most visited site for UK Internet users in February. In September last year it was 172nd. During the week of super Tuesday his website had more visits than any of the major UK political party websites. Obama was the most searched for political figure in the UK, receiving three times as many searches as Hilary Clinton.”

Perhaps it's not convenient for the BNP to mention they got beaten by a foreign mixed-race politician...

Fact Check wrote:

Don\'t believe what you read in the media. Check out the BNP web site, the most visited political website in Britain.

Interesting claim - presumably the media told you about this \"most visited\" statistic. I checked this out, and guess what I found. It\'s not strictly true - there is a (foreign) political website which gets more hits from the UK than the BNP. “Barackobama.com was the 11th most visited site for UK Internet users in February. In September last year it was 172nd. During the week of super Tuesday his website had more visits than any of the major UK political party websites. Obama was the most searched for political figure in the UK, receiving three times as many searches as Hilary Clinton.” Perhaps it\'s not convenient for the BNP to mention they got beaten by a foreign mixed-race politician...

The key phrase here is "in Britain". no-one ever said there wasn't a foreign political site that got more visits.

However, the BNP will still be here long after Barack follows Dukakis and Gore into the dustbin of history

Clearly, Piano Hinges is another pseudonym of Frank/Doug/LocalBoy. You can tell it’s the same person by the neurotic style.

This person, hereafter referred to as "Swampy", obviously does not live in Hawkwell as he didn't know there was a BNP councillor there. I suspect he lives in a bedsit in Westcliff.

What else do we know about Swampy? The fact that he makes posts in the middle of the day indicates he doesn’t work and therefore doesn’t pay any taxes. Hence he doesn’t have to pay for the multi-racial madness. The fact that he also makes posts very late at night indicates he doesn’t have a sex life. I suspect the only interaction he has with other people is via the internet. He is clearly a sad loner with resentment against society in general. Hence his support for causes that destroy social cohesion, such as mass immigration. His bible is “Das Capital”. The only time he ventures out of his bedsit is to put some more Class War stickers up on lamp-posts.

As for his arguments…does he really suppose that we get any representation from LibLabCon? Does he suppose we get any help from LibLabCon? Does he suppose we get what we vote for from LibLabCon? Does he suppose LibLabCon councillors have a good track record of showing up for meetings? Does he suppose the list of LibLabCon councillors sentenced for criminal offences isn’t shamefully long?

A bit of friendly advice, Swampy, ‘cos I do care for your welfare (just as much as I care about that new girl, Diana, working in my chipshop). Get a haircut, have a shave, have a bath, get a job and get a life.

And once again with the badly off-target ad hominem attacks - because you have no argument to back you up.

Laughable.

Elvis wrote:
Clearly, Piano Hinges is another pseudonym of Frank/Doug/LocalBoy. You can tell it’s the same person by the neurotic style. This person, hereafter referred to as "Swampy", obviously does not live in Hawkwell as he didn't know there was a BNP councillor there. I suspect he lives in a bedsit in Westcliff. What else do we know about Swampy? The fact that he makes posts in the middle of the day indicates he doesn’t work and therefore doesn’t pay any taxes. Hence he doesn’t have to pay for the multi-racial madness. The fact that he also makes posts very late at night indicates he doesn’t have a sex life. I suspect the only interaction he has with other people is via the internet. He is clearly a sad loner with resentment against society in general. Hence his support for causes that destroy social cohesion, such as mass immigration. His bible is “Das Capital”. The only time he ventures out of his bedsit is to put some more Class War stickers up on lamp-posts. As for his arguments…does he really suppose that we get any representation from LibLabCon? Does he suppose we get any help from LibLabCon? Does he suppose we get what we vote for from LibLabCon? Does he suppose LibLabCon councillors have a good track record of showing up for meetings? Does he suppose the list of LibLabCon councillors sentenced for criminal offences isn’t shamefully long? A bit of friendly advice, Swampy, ‘cos I do care for your welfare (just as much as I care about that new girl, Diana, working in my chipshop). Get a haircut, have a shave, have a bath, get a job and get a life.

Are you trying to say you have never used another pseudonym Grillo?

Piano Hinges , I am well aware that certain BNP councillors have been poor. Just as you must be aware the same applies for all parties, so why just highlight the BNP. If they are rubbish, they deserve to lose the seat. Very simple really.

However, recent by-election results appear to disprove your point because in both cases the BNP retained their seat up for grabs.

They must have been doing something right...eh?

Twenty questions the Government doesn't want to answer:

1) How many immigrants are there in the country ?

2) How many asylum seekers are there in the country ?

3) How many illegal immigrants have entered the country ?

4) How many illegal immigrants are hiding in the country ?

5) How many foreign criminals are there in the country ?

6) How many foreign criminals are there in British prisons who should never have been allowed to enter the UK in the first place due to them having criminal convictions in their own countries ?

7) How many foreign criminals are still present in the country even though they should have been deported after serving their prison sentences ?

8) How many immigrants are in the country who have convictions for crimes in their own countries before they came to the UK ?

9) How many immigrants in the UK are involved in drug importation ?

10) How many immigrants in the UK have convictions for rape and involvement in honour killings ?

11) How many immigrants in the UK are involved in terrorism or funding terrorism either here in the UK or in their home countries ?

12) How many immigrants in the UK are in council housing ?

13) How many immigrants in the UK or visiting the UK have used NHS facilities without paying for it as required ?

14) How many immigrants in the UK or visiting the UK are using British schools and universities without being entitled too ?

15) How many asylum seekers who have entered the UK have lied to enter the country are still living in the country ?

16) How many asylum seekers who were involved in murders, wars and genocide in their own countries have entered the UK and claimed asylum here ?

17) How many immigrants are involved in the sex slave trade, gun smuggling and fraud in the UK ?


18) How many billions of pounds as proceeds from immigrant crime in the UK are sent back to foreign nations every year ?

19) How many immigrants on a visa to enter the UK actually leave the country every year ?

20) How many immigrants have been convicted of terrorism, planning terrorism or funding terrorism?

Whatever you believe about the BNP childish insults from both sides gets people nowhere.
Whatever your politics are its quite clear to see that the BNP have been gaining support over the last few years simply because the British public are tired of being stuffed by all levels of government and are left feeling second class compared to every other cultures in England.

A change is desperately needed and it has to come from somewhere or we’re looking at another era of general strikes as top officials get bigger pay rises leaving the working classes with very little.

Tell Us The Truth! wrote:
Twenty questions the Government doesn\'t want to answer: 1) How many immigrants are there in the country ? 2) How many asylum seekers are there in the country ? 3) How many illegal immigrants have entered the country ? 4) How many illegal immigrants are hiding in the country ? 5) How many foreign criminals are there in the country ? 6) How many foreign criminals are there in British prisons who should never have been allowed to enter the UK in the first place due to them having criminal convictions in their own countries ? 7) How many foreign criminals are still present in the country even though they should have been deported after serving their prison sentences ? 8) How many immigrants are in the country who have convictions for crimes in their own countries before they came to the UK ? 9) How many immigrants in the UK are involved in drug importation ? 10) How many immigrants in the UK have convictions for rape and involvement in honour killings ? 11) How many immigrants in the UK are involved in terrorism or funding terrorism either here in the UK or in their home countries ? 12) How many immigrants in the UK are in council housing ? 13) How many immigrants in the UK or visiting the UK have used NHS facilities without paying for it as required ? 14) How many immigrants in the UK or visiting the UK are using British schools and universities without being entitled too ? 15) How many asylum seekers who have entered the UK have lied to enter the country are still living in the country ? 16) How many asylum seekers who were involved in murders, wars and genocide in their own countries have entered the UK and claimed asylum here ? 17) How many immigrants are involved in the sex slave trade, gun smuggling and fraud in the UK ? 18) How many billions of pounds as proceeds from immigrant crime in the UK are sent back to foreign nations every year ? 19) How many immigrants on a visa to enter the UK actually leave the country every year ? 20) How many immigrants have been convicted of terrorism, planning terrorism or funding terrorism?

And the punchline?

"Oh and the BNP isn't a one-issue party"

Frank

I want the right party in for the job in hand, which is getting us back to being British again.

Stop the UAF wrote:
Piano Hinges , I am well aware that certain BNP councillors have been poor. Just as you must be aware the same applies for all parties, so why just highlight the BNP. If they are rubbish, they deserve to lose the seat. Very simple really. However, recent by-election results appear to disprove your point because in both cases the BNP retained their seat up for grabs. They must have been doing something right...eh?

"Why just highlight the BNP?"

Because this is a story about... you guessed it... the BNP.

"They must have been doing something right...eh?"

Yes, as has already been commented. Lying, stirring up tensions and divisions, and preying on the weak-minded. They've done brilliantly, I'll give them that.

Steve wrote:
I want the right party in for the job in hand, which is getting us back to being British again.

You had me worried for a moment Steve, until I checked my passport.

I was momentarily horrified by the idea that I might suddenly have become Belgian.

Still British though. Same as 60-odd million others.

I guess it's just you then.

Francis Grubb wrote:

Tell Us The Truth! wrote: Twenty questions the Government doesn\'t want to answer: 1) How many immigrants are there in the country ? 2) How many asylum seekers are there in the country ? 3) How many illegal immigrants have entered the country ? 4) How many illegal immigrants are hiding in the country ? 5) How many foreign criminals are there in the country ? 6) How many foreign criminals are there in British prisons who should never have been allowed to enter the UK in the first place due to them having criminal convictions in their own countries ? 7) How many foreign criminals are still present in the country even though they should have been deported after serving their prison sentences ? 8) How many immigrants are in the country who have convictions for crimes in their own countries before they came to the UK ? 9) How many immigrants in the UK are involved in drug importation ? 10) How many immigrants in the UK have convictions for rape and involvement in honour killings ? 11) How many immigrants in the UK are involved in terrorism or funding terrorism either here in the UK or in their home countries ? 12) How many immigrants in the UK are in council housing ? 13) How many immigrants in the UK or visiting the UK have used NHS facilities without paying for it as required ? 14) How many immigrants in the UK or visiting the UK are using British schools and universities without being entitled too ? 15) How many asylum seekers who have entered the UK have lied to enter the country are still living in the country ? 16) How many asylum seekers who were involved in murders, wars and genocide in their own countries have entered the UK and claimed asylum here ? 17) How many immigrants are involved in the sex slave trade, gun smuggling and fraud in the UK ? 18) How many billions of pounds as proceeds from immigrant crime in the UK are sent back to foreign nations every year ? 19) How many immigrants on a visa to enter the UK actually leave the country every year ? 20) How many immigrants have been convicted of terrorism, planning terrorism or funding terrorism?

And the punchline? "Oh and the BNP isn't a one-issue party" Frank

Indeed. But at least they've managed to teach a monkey how to copy and paste from their website.

Racist, mad, and nasty. But quite clever on this occasion. I can't even teach my cat to fetch.

Just a few more ideas for you to chew over:

This country seems to be suffering in ways that are tangible but hard to quantify. There is relative material prosperity for many, yet there seems to be a deep and very real sense of having being collectively short changed over the past ten years or longer.
The country seems to have lost any sense of purpose and optimism. Everywhere I go I hear stories from ordinary people about how they feel they have been hard done by, about how powerless they feel to change or influence anything in modern Britain. It's as though the politicians aren't listening to the people, as though they aren't accountable to those who put them in power.
The doctrine of multiculturalism has done a lot of damage. Nobody voted for this, yet it has become a huge feature of our society. This doctrine differs from having some ethnic minorities living in Britain, who come here, behave decently and respect our way of life. Multiculturalism is when the native and majority ethnic group is reduced to just one more ethnic group amongst many, with no greater rights than any other. We are told to love our multicultural society, but although I have nothing against foreigners themselves, I like my culture and I like England and I don't want it to change, to be told that English culture is the same as this multiculturalism.
The three biggest political parties have given up ideology in order to try and please everybody. In the past you knew what you were voting for. Now even the Conservatives, once a party that stood for Britain, have softened up their message and now are a weak alternative to New Labour. It is hard to believe that they can sort out the mess this country is in. New Labour treat us as pawns in their social experiments. They are against the family structure, promote decadent lifestyles and celebrate anything but Britain.

The three party system suits the main parties as it leaves them largely unchallenged. They get the majority of media coverage and are quick to unite to denounce the BNP. Could this be because they BNP exposes embarrassing truths that the other parties try to hide?
Whatever people say, the BNP is growing and this cannot be ignored. This is despite the fact that a lot of people are still a bit wary of the BNP and are afraid of being associated with it, even if they agree with its views.
The truth is, the BNP is still not a "respectable" party although this viewpoint is slowly changing. Think about what it costs for a BNP member to stand for local election: They may lose respect and risk at best misunderstanding and at worse abuse. Yet they believe in their message and therefore they put up with all this in order to stand. You can vote for such a person to represent you or you can vote for another faceless liblabcon councillor, picked from the faceless ranks of the local Conservative Club. Without conviction in many cases, mincing their words, toeing the party line. I bet you that the BNP candidate is driven by a genuine desire to change things for the better and they believe in this to such an extent that they'll risk their reputation to do this.
Imagine the scene: A high street on Saturday morning, busy with shoppers. What's this, a collection of union flags and the cross of St. George flying! Something that should make proud every Brit. But it's the BNP! Racists! People get angry. However the other parties are to blame. They are anti-patriotic, pro-European. They never stand for our flag and our culture. If they did there would be no need for the BNP. Am I supposed to be ashamed of our flag? Or should I be like most sad Brits who mumble the first verse of the national anthem (the only verse they know by the way)and look at my feet as though ashamed of the whole affair?

It's true that the BNP has a few boneheads in it that say stupid things, but that goes for the other parties as well. They are not professional politicians with professional speech writers and image makers. They are largely ordinary people who want to do something positive to save our way of life. Given what has happened in our country, it's not surprising that some wrongly react with racism and blame for minorities. However, hatred is not the amswer. The question is" What has gone wrong? And how can we try to put it right."
The unpolished and unrefined BNP will develop as it grows and becomes more respectable. The skinhead image is out of date but the fear still lurks amongst the electorate of voting in racists. Try to put aside your prejudices and take a fresh look at what the BNP really believes. You may not agree with everything, but then again it's impossible to find a perfect party that you completely agree with.
We are probably heading for an E.U superstate, a police state where freedom of speech is denied. The BNP is not playing on peoples' fears as is largely reported but on genuine concerns. Unfortunately now we can no longer govern our own country according to our own laws, as the E.U is rapidly gaining power and soon it will be too late to go back.
The immigration question isn't about skin colour. It's a question of our own national well being and identity. Thousands died in WW2 to free our country from tyranny, and most of them would hate to see the way the country has changed. The country is not in danger from fascism but from liberal internationalism and political correctness. We need to bring back law, order and values. That is why I am voting BNP and why I urge everyone to seek for themselves the truth about this party without relying on hearsay. Britain is not dead yet!

Wow, strong yet eloquent stuff there Ricayboy. And hard to say you're "wrong" about anything really, although much of it is based on personal perception (as it is for all of us).

I think there's a few things I take in particular from what you've written.

There is relative material prosperity for many, yet there seems to be a deep and very real sense of having being collectively short changed over the past ten years or longer.

Absolutely true. There is a small elite of super-rich who are getting further and further away from the rest of us. This is surely indisputable. The problem is, as I see it, that not one of the political parties - including the BNP - has practical, realistic and decent policies for addressing this imbalance of wealth. And as has so often been seen, the wider the gap between rich and poor, the more unrest there is. Worse still, it's ripe breeding ground for fascists to exploit the dissatisfaction - see Hitler in the 30s as a prime example. The sad thing is that at the moment I don't see a viable political solution for this problem - every politician is too scared to alienate "middle England", even though they are also being left behind.

The country seems to have lost any sense of purpose and optimism. Everywhere I go I hear stories from ordinary people about how they feel they have been hard done by, about how powerless they feel to change or influence anything in modern Britain. It's as though the politicians aren't listening to the people, as though they aren't accountable to those who put them in power.

Again, agreed. I think it was William Hague who pointed out that general elections aren't general elections any more, but a small series of by-elections for the few marginal seats. Basically the main parties are fighting over half a million or so votes which can swing an election their way, leaving the rest of us with effectively worthless votes. This is a major flaw in the electoral system that must be sorted, and soon.

The arrogance of the Con/Lab parties is made worse by the fact that they have both recently tasted very long periods of power. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We need PR, STV or some system which allows the smaller parties a voice, and not to be rolled over by automatic parliamentary majorities. As it stands, any vote for a small party these days is effectively wasted. That is not democracy.

Finally, your third post. All, again, very true. From my own perspective, though, I think the most important thing about the freedoms our older citizens fought for was to fight against fascism, racism, or anything else which distinguishes between one citizen and another. I cannot abide a party which considers one person second-class for any reason - class, colour, religion or whatever. Britishness is about diversity and tolerance, not about shoving us all in ghettoes of like-minded people. I would go mad without the variety that this great nation gives us, and I believe that variety and diversity is what has made us so strong for centuries. It's my opinion, and that of many others, that the BNP would damage this irreparably. But again this is just an opinion. Clearly in your case this is not a primary reason for voting BNP and I find that massively encouraging.

Thanks for posting mate, and even more for not being a mug like so many further up the page. If the BNP was made up of people like you, rather than them, maybe more of us would follow.

I am happy to go out and try to learn more about them - ignorance is a dangerous thing anyway, so whether you like them or not it's good advice to seek the truth out yourself.

We could start by having a proper debate about immigration without the usual racists and PC brigade throwing insults at eachother. We're all grown up after all, and we should be able to discuss this in a civilised way. Sadly, there is too much fear at the moment and the debate is driven underground. This plays into the hands of the racists, in the BNP or otherwise. That is a very dangerous thing indeed.

Britain is certainly not dead. At least it better not be, it's my home and it's where I belong.

Webmaster wrote:
I have checked the application server logs and can confirm that the posts by Francis Grubb and Piano Hinges have the same IP number (ie. they came from the same computer). For him to answer his own posts suggests he's a schizo.

Excellent! As if the real Webmaster would ever post like this!

I suspect the person with the dubious psychological is the imposter who wrote this!

Frank

Time to come home Webby, your dinner's ready you naughty boy.

Webmaster's Mum wrote:
Time to come home Webby, your dinner's ready you naughty boy.

I hope it's not curry!

Curry in the morning, curry in the evening,
curry at suppertime.
And when it keeps me awake and f@rtin' it's curry all through the night!

cor im glad i dont live in your house then webmaster lol :)

Wow Mr. Piano-hinge!

That last post seemed so eloquent and reasoned! Is that, I wonder, your little grey cells being busy or are all you Belgians this clever?

No wonder Ms. Christie wrote so much about you!

(This is just a joke by the way, please don't get nasty with me!)

If race isn’t an issue than why does nearly every form from the council ask about it.
On most forms I get from the council they ask if you are from an ethnic origin but if the law says we’re all equal than why ask?

I forgot to say that even my local school asks that question too. Why should it matter but in our equal society apparently it does.

left wing looney wrote:
Wow Mr. Piano-hinge! That last post seemed so eloquent and reasoned! Is that, I wonder, your little grey cells being busy or are all you Belgians this clever? No wonder Ms. Christie wrote so much about you! (This is just a joke by the way, please don't get nasty with me!)

Why would I get nasty??

You can call me Hercule, by the way. :)

As for "webmaster", as if we'd be fooled by that! Sometimes the mentality of posters on here is staggering!

WHY THE FUSS.. If the BNP won a few seats surely, it would sharpen up the major political parties.
Labour has created a massive mess, be it immigration human rights and crime. there is without a doubt a correllation between crime and immigration.
WELL DONE THE BNP, FOR GIVING THE INDIGENOUS POPULATION OF THIS COUNTRY A PARTY THAT WILL TRY AND PUT THE BRITISH PEOPLE FIRST

there is without a doubt a correllation between crime and immigration

Really? That's a very sweeping statement, can you back it up?

Havard University - yes, they're Americans but they're no idiots, find exactly the opposite:

Contrary to popular stereotypes, areas undergoing immigration are associated with lower violence, not spiraling crime, according to a new study. Harvard U's Robert Sampson examined crime and immigration in Chicago and around the United States to find the truth behind the popular perception that increasing immigration leads to crime.

Based on assumptions that immigrants are more likely to commit crimes and settle in poor, disorganized communities, prevailing wisdom holds that the concentration of immigrants and an influx of foreigners drive up crime rates. However, Sampson shows that concentrated immigration predicts lower rates of violence across communities in Chicago, with the relationship strongest in poor neighborhoods.

Not only does immigration appear to be "protective" against violence in poverty areas, violence was significantly lower among Mexican-Americans compared to blacks and whites. Sampson refers to this as the "Latino Paradox," whereby Hispanic Americans do better on a range of social indicators — including propensity to violence — than one would expect, given their socioeconomic disadvantages.

Sampson’s analysis also revealed that first-generation immigrants were 45 percent less likely to commit violence than third-generation Americans. Controlling for immigrant generation even narrowed the violence gap between whites and blacks in Chicago by 14 percent.

Perhaps this "correlation" you refer to is something to do with the fact that immigrants are statistically more likely to be the VICTIMS of crime?

Or was it just another lazy generalisation about immigrants with no basis in fact?

piano hinges wrote:

left wing looney wrote: Wow Mr. Piano-hinge! That last post seemed so eloquent and reasoned! Is that, I wonder, your little grey cells being busy or are all you Belgians this clever? No wonder Ms. Christie wrote so much about you! (This is just a joke by the way, please don't get nasty with me!)

Why would I get nasty?? You can call me Hercule, by the way. :) As for "webmaster", as if we'd be fooled by that! Sometimes the mentality of posters on here is staggering!

is the webmaster someone who we dont like? :(

piano hinges your American study is all very interesting, even if it fails to factor the obvious that if an immigrant was not in the country those specific crimes could not have been added to the figures however, meanwhile, back in the UK, the top black police officer, Chief Constable Mike Fuller, was quoted earlier this year as saying 'We are struggling to cope with immigrant crime wave'.

Stop the UAF wrote:
piano hinges your American study is all very interesting, even if it fails to factor the obvious that if an immigrant was not in the country those specific crimes could not have been added to the figures however, meanwhile, back in the UK, the top black police officer, Chief Constable Mike Fuller, was quoted earlier this year as saying 'We are struggling to cope with immigrant crime wave'.

Yes I read that in the Daily Mail too. His personal opinion, as far as I could see. Certainly no facts were presented.

Clearly there are occasions when immigration prompts a sharp rise in crime. The settlement of Australia and North America leap immediately to mind.

Either way, I would contend that there is clearly some doubt and inconsistency in the relationship between immigration and crime. Not "no doubt" as averred by the poster above. Hence my reply.

By all means disagree, you are free to do so. As I am sure you know very well, that is one of the many great benefits of living in Britain.

Whilst not wishing to disagree with you, I would consider the mention of a 33% increase in violent crime, due to 'migrant surges', is a little more than just his personal opinion.

Who knows, perhaps actual crime statistics were used or even additional detailed reports from the Audit Commission.

Clearly it would be useful to know the data behind this so we can see for ourselves, I agree.

The problem when there is a vacuum of information is that the space will be filled with conjecture.

Frank’s definitely got a screw loose in his piano hinges. His self-hate, and desire for self-destruction is paralleled in his hatred for his own people and desire to destroy social cohesion through mass immigration. Notice how he never finds anything positive about Europeans emigrating to America and Australia, but fails to find anything negative about non-Europeans immigrating to Britain.

Warden – keep him under observation and don’t let him hear any sharp objects.

piano hinges,

A migrant arrested every 4 minute in the UK

, was the findings of the Express newspapers investigation in February 2008, which was based upon data supplied by the police.

Hope that helps with your 'conjecture'.

One murder in five is committed by a foreigner

are the findings of a Telegraph investigation today, using Police Data.

Not much conjecture there either.

"Carl Jung" - interesting choice of name. Did you know Plato was a Republican? :)

Once again for those with short attention spans - yes that means you Jungians out there - I am not Frank. I see you have also failed to read all of my comments (albeit not all on this page) about emigrants and immigrants, both from and to the UK. At least I show more awareness of balance and proportion than you do, and I shall therefore treat your comments with as much contempt as you do me.

STUAF, your two posts are far more interesting.

Firstly, the Express report on 4 arrests a minute was in fact extrapolated from a figure of 360 arrests of "foreigners" each day, making 7% of total arrests. This means that a Briton is arrested every 18 seconds. Or, if you prefer, 13.3 Brits are arrested for every foreigner. However this compares badly to the fact that around 10% of British residents are considered "foreign" under the same criteria - perhaps, therefore, indicating they have LESS criminal tendencies than the native population.

Either way, I think it amply demonstrates that you can always get at least two different spins out of the same set of statistics.

Similarly with the second story. Did it mention the proportion of murder VICTIMS that were foreigners? Isn't that just as valid an observation? I certainly would have thought so.

Once again for the more feeble-minded who do need things repeated - not you STUAF, I might add - this is not about saying "immigration is an unqualified benefit" just as much as it's not about bandying around emotive words and warped statistics. It's about balance, reality, and perspective. As a qualified mathematician I find the use of statistics by the press (all of it - left, right and centre) to be laughably amateurish and generally wildly misleading. Just read the "conclusions" from medical trials for homeopathy if you don't believe me.

Finally - I found an interesting survey myself when trawling the net in an idle moment last night. I thought some of you might enjoy this. ;-)

The House of Lords has had ‘little or no positive impact’ on the well-being of the average Briton, an influential committee of migrants and refugees has said today.

The committee’s damning report attacked government claims that the lack of elections to Britain’s upper house saves the country GBP6 billion a year’. The report also warned that Labour’s new proposals for a reformed ‘Australian-style’ House of Lords, complete with barbeques, crocodiles and silly hats, would be insufficient to stop the harm that peers were causing to the nation’s well-being.

The committee concluded that the government should impose a cap on the number of peers currently allowed to live within the UK, although it transpires that a large number of them spend the winters abroad anyway. ‘These people are living off the state at our expense’ said one Polish builder. ‘When they do actually bother to turn up to work they just sit around chatting before falling asleep for the afternoon.’

But at Eton School in Berkshire, a charity that works tirelessly for children of members of the House of Lords, a volunteer defended this persecuted and vilified section of society. ‘Many of these people they have grown up on vast sprawling estates and struggle to interact with ordinary people.’

Meanwhile one section of the Upper Classes claim they have been working hard to bring these two disparate groups closer together. ‘We’ve had several Croation and Slovakian nannies’ said one elderly Lord ‘and I think I can say that they all went home with a little bit of English aristocracy inside them.’

Crikey.

I immigrated to this country many years ago and now am about to retire, my view is that quality of life in this nation has gone downhill.

I would quite like to go back home again and will be voting for the BNP as I would like their help in repatriating me.

Subject to the following conditions :

A) they pay for first class tickets for me and my family.

B) They buy my house from me and I get to name my price.

Piano Hinges, yes your comedy satire piece raised a smile, but I am more than satisfied by the available Police Data which suggests immigrant crime is way out of all proportion per capita of the population.

Indeed the murder of anybody is sad, however, I concern myself more with the murder, rape and assault of white British people at the hands of 'foreigners', just as other individuals, groups and organisations place particular relevance to crimes against their own communities.

Immi Grant, after a long time living here, and benefiting from all that Britain has to offer, perhaps you should contact New Labour as they already offer assisted repatriation, however, no one would usually pay more than the market rate for your home.

Best move quickly as your house is losing money daily .

Bon Voyage.

"white British people"?

Surely you're not saying the life of a black British person is worth less than that of a white one are you?

Interesting.

piano hinges, seeking to represent a quote out of context hardly makes it 'interesting'.

But perhaps even more interesting is the deafening silence from the media to the ever increasing instances of anti-white violence and murders.

Maybe they are silent because it's not happening.

Perhaps even more interesting is your silence on the ACPO findings that - yes, you guessed it - immigrants do NOT cause an increase in crime.

Indeed the murder of anybody is sad, however, I concern myself more with the murder, rape and assault of white British people at the hands of 'foreigners', just as other individuals, groups and organisations place particular relevance to crimes against their own communities.

Here's the quote again - in context.

No excuses.

Why is a white life worth more than a black life?

Piano Hinges, thanks for quoting the full context, which clearly shows at no time did I say any one life is worth more than another.

However, the British media although rightly having wall to wall coverage of the horrific deaths of Stephen Lawrence and Anthony Walker, had far less to say about Louie Wade, Gavin Hopley, Kriss Donald, Ian Page and Steven Jeeves amongst many others.

Perhaps it is they that distinguish between what is worth more.

piano hinges wrote:
Maybe they are silent because it's not happening. Perhaps even more interesting is your silence on the ACPO findings that - yes, you guessed it - immigrants do NOT cause an increase in crime.

A report based upon the criminal behaviour of 'workers' from Eastern Europe and not all immigrants.

To be presented to a Government who says crime is down.

Every crime committed by an immigrant represents and increase in crime.

It is also a smack in the face to the 'tolerant' British people.

Perhaps we should review the level of 'foreigners' residing in British jails before dismissing their total criminal impact upon society.

Currently standing at '1/8 of the prison population', and therefore far higher per capita of the population.

Interesting.

You're commenting on the media's valuation of a life - not something I can answer I'm afraid. I suggest you ask them, but in my experience none of them are to be trusted. Ask yourself: who owns this paper / tv station? What's in it for them? Still - you brought whiteness into it. Not me. I only wonder why.

Funny how you dismiss one police report, having quoted another one earlier. I thought that might happen. It just shows, doesn't it, that it's all too easy to conveniently skew statistics and anything else to fit pre-existing views. Not just you, not just me, but most (or even all) of us do this. It's convenient and reassuring, but not very educational or inspiring.

We could argue this point forever, but in my opinion it's a diversion. The more we look at blaming foreigners, Muslims, Irish Travellers or whatever - the more the real criminals are getting away scot-free.

Ask yourself this. If Britain is so sh!t these days, and we're all losing out, who is winning big-time? Who's making a fortune? Who is getting more free while we get less freedom every day?

That's our common enemy. The political classes, the newspaper barons, the unelected quangocracies, the corrupt councillors... the more we all argue about immigration quotas and skin colour, the more they all laugh their way to the bank.

Piano Hinges, the earlier reports by the police still stand, with this being the latest presented as evidence against immigrant crime when the prison population clearly suggests otherwise.

They are picking one aspect of immigration and presenting it as a whole.

You say tomato, I say tomato, in a circular debate.

'Whiteness' is my point of reference, being white.

And I do agree with your conclusion of the common enemy, with immigration being only one of their weapons.

You have made this interesting...cheers
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You have made this interesting...cheers

Likewise sir.

You say tomato, I say tomato

.... let's call the whole thing off :)

What do the following people have in common?

Billy Ward, Stuart Lowe, Jason Spencer, Keith Cowell, Matthew Cowell, Andrew Holland, James Houliston, Keith Brown, Martin Dinnegan, Ben Hitchcock, Jon Henry, Kate Beagley, Kynan Eldridge, Samantha Anderson, Paul Kelly, Neil Williams, Timothy Smith, Andrew Owen, Thomas Fahey, Alan Sheard, Russell Aylett, Mark Wetherall, Allan Chappelow, Roger Hare, Kevin Beckingham, Jeanette Diane Hullah, David Driscoll, Ian Page, Grace Moore, Karen Hartshorne, Richard Holmes, Billy Gregory, Stephen Coulson, Samantha Anderson, David Cockrill, Westley Odger, Daniel Easterbrook, Lisa Bamford, Peter Woodhams, Peter Jones, Steven Jeeves, John Curran, Stephen Keen, Nick Padget, John Cooper Taylor, Anne Mendel, Michael Chapman, Malcolm Barnett, Kally Gilligan, Gary Painter, Jolene Colpus, Frederick Goodman, Raymond Gange, Mark Conway, David Lees, John Ward, Lynn Savery, Serena Mahoney, James Hayhoe, Patrick Roache, Christopher Davis, Zelia Harrison, Jason Mayze, Thomas ap Rhys Pryce, Matthew Smith, Thomas Winston, Michael Hanley, Stuart Grant, Anthony May, Sharon Beshenivsky, Kimberley Fuller, Richard Holmes, Nicholas Shepherd, Daniel McGann, Richard Whelan, Tracy Cullum, Mary Ann Leneghan, Daniel Pater, Paul Tanner, Jason Ripley, Adam Crol, Colin Winstone, Ernest ‘Ernie’ Meads, John Monckton, Christopher Yates, Robert Symons, Mervyn Fletcher, Daniel Leahy, George MacDonald, Vincent Swift, Stuart Watt, Denis Finnegan, Bernard Hegarty, Gemma Atkinson, Donald Hill, Michael
Swindells, Ursula Craddock, Lee Martin, Lee Walker, Kriss Donald, Anthony Farrell, Peter Watkins, Ashley Hedger, Scott Pritchard, Terry Gregory, Ted Rhodes, Daniel Higgins, Ben Thompson, Charlene Downs, Michael Jones, Sean Whyte, Michael Austin, Daniel Batten, Richard Cromarty, John Goodman, Ronnie Kettridge, Ernest Wilson, George Rowe, Brian Dodd, Hilda Ashdown, Hannah Foster, Marsha McDonnell, Dorothy Stokes, David Sheehan, Stephen Oake, Bridie Skeehan, Catherine Wrenn, Aaron Chapman, Scott Osborne, Thomas Scott, Joseph Blakewood, Liam Atwell, Kenneth Holden, Alan Musgrove, Tony Else, John Elliott, Gavin Hopley, Owain Leeson, Tim Robinson, Anthony O’Brien, Kevin Jackson, Bradley Knight, Scott Young, Malcolm ‘Mac’ Walker, Ross Parker, Shirley Cotton–Betteridge, Clare Drummond, Amanda Clarke, Anne Cypher, Hilda Lockert, Rosie Ross, Gary Osbourne, Daisy Fenton, Nellie Cutress, Elizabeth Amlot, Simon Henderson, George Napier, Wade Hewitt, Liam Gall, Winifred Sills, Tim Baxter, Lee
Day, Sandra Day, Kathleen Maddison, Rhiannon Day, Reece Day, Yvonne Culverhouse...

They are all recent white British victims of racist murder by ethnic minorities.

Now try to name some recent non-white victims of racist murder by whites. BTW, Stephen Lawrence isn’t recent.

racist murders? for your information,martin dinnegan was not killed because he was white,a couple of his killers were white!

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racist murders? for your information,martin dinnegan was not killed because he was white,a couple of his killers were white!

And what about the other eight that took part in the killing of Martin? They were all immigrants that if they hadn't been let into the country would not have been able to kill him.