At last, we have an MP that can say it how it is! No longer bound by the EU traitor party whips!

Well done Bob. Now sound the alarm bell loud and clear! Britain must be in charge of her own destiny once again!

Well what can i say apart from UKIP not having the potential of getting an MP so they hijack them instead .
Just one little question Bob .
Interestingly, last month he wrote in an article for his local paper: “It is for Castle Point residents to decide who will be their MP, not a small number of self-selected individuals with their private agendas.”

So our question to Mr Spink, on behalf of voters in Castle Point, is this:

‘Given that you only made this statement to your constituents last month, will you now honour that statement and give your electorate the opportunity to endorse your move to UKIP by forcing a by-election in Castle Point?’

The question is only rhetorical however, because we can all be 99.9% certain that Mr Spink will be doing nothing of the sort!

Or is UKIP going to join the other 3 main parties in tricking and con's towards the good people of Castle Point.

The Conservative Party has no place for MP's who use the public purse to pay wages to their ex wife, daughter and mistress's daughter. Ukip seem to have no such standards.

The Conservative Party has no place for MP's who use the public purse to pay wages to their ex wife, daughter and mistress's daughter. Ukip seem to have no such standards.

good choice bob , lets leave the eu

As an ex-UKIP member I would just like to point out a glaring error in the Evenign Echo's article.

Bob Spink isnt UKIPs first MP.

George Gardiner sat as the UKIP member for Reigate and Banstead between his deselection and the 1997 general election.

Please Evning Echo correct this statement.

PS I left UKIP because the local branch was inhabited by nutters who spent believed everything was a big conspiracy by the Bilderbergers and then held meeting to proove the moon landings were faked!

Dave C wrote:
The Conservative Party has no place for MP's who use the public purse to pay wages to their ex wife, daughter and mistress's daughter. Ukip seem to have no such standards.

Funny, I thought the Conservative Party was exactly the place for those kind of MPs.

They certainly didn't object two years ago...

They certainly didn't object two years ago...

They didn't know two years ago.

This means that Dr.Bob has been a Labour MP, a Tory MP and a UKIP MP. Is this some kind of record?

I think Tony Winchester is right. Spink is no longer the MP that the constituents elected, and so he should stand down and face a by-election. Anything else is a travesty.

Of course, as Tony said, it won't happen.

That's how much respect these politicians have for the people they supposedly represent.

Liars and crooks, the lot of 'em.

I said it at the time and I’m still saying it – if the Tories had been honest on Europe, they would have gone all out on the Lisbon Treaty debates beyond a call for a referendum whilst explaining why, they would have voted on Bill Cash’s supremacy of Parliament ‘New Clause 9’ (on which the majority of Tories abstained), they would have engaged the public with the contents of the Treaty, and they would honour a post-ratification referendum even after the European Union (Amendment) Bill goes through Parliament.

I am very conscious that similar controls by the Tory Whips have also been used in the Lords this month – meaning, there is no real intention to stop the Lisbon Treaty by the majority of Tories and the opposition has been a complete farce. Sounds like Spink knew exactly what was going on.

Since an MP must represent his or her constituents, who tend not to like total governance by Europe, Spink was bound by obligation to defect to UKIP. I must congratulate Spink on his defection from a party that has failed to mean anything. And by that, I mean what Disraeli said of Conservative Party in that it is 'a national party or it is nothing'.

I mean what Disraeli said of Conservative Party in that it is 'a national party or it is nothing'.

Disraeli, a brilliant politician, died 19 April 1881.

And that is what sums up the nutters at UKIP. They are still living in the past trying to recreate the Empire and Victorian values. Unable to live in the present constantly carping upon a rose tinted past that, like them, has no relevance in the modern world today.

Happy® wrote:

They certainly didn't object two years ago...

They didn't know two years ago.

What, the local Conservative Party didn't know who their MPs staff were? I find that impossible to believe.

Councillors and MPs often pass on casework even if they're of different parties, inevitably involving dealings with MPs staff.

Surely in all the time Bob has been a Conservative MP, somebody in the local party must have come into contact with them.

What, the local Conservative Party didn't know who their MPs staff were? I find that impossible to believe.

That's your problem.

Councillors and MPs often pass on casework even if they're of different parties, inevitably involving dealings with MPs staff.

Dealings with his secretary are an everyday event.

It was the "employment" of his ex wife in Dorset, his ex girl friends daughter and his own daughter that came as a surprise.

Surely in all the time Bob has been a Conservative MP, somebody in the local party must have come into contact with them.

If they have they kept quiet about it.

ex-UKIP member wrote:
As an ex-UKIP member I would just like to point out a glaring error in the Evenign Echo's article. Bob Spink isnt UKIPs first MP. George Gardiner sat as the UKIP member for Reigate and Banstead between his deselection and the 1997 general election. Please Evning Echo correct this statement. PS I left UKIP because the local branch was inhabited by nutters who spent believed everything was a big conspiracy by the Bilderbergers and then held meeting to proove the moon landings were faked!

Actually, George Gardiner became the Referendum Party's first and only MP, not UKIP's first MP.

Well done Bob Spink!

We need more MPs' like Mr Spink with the balls the stand up for the people.

Go for it Bob!

Vote UKIP!

At last someone in Castle Point I can vote for!!!

UKIP seem to be getting quite popular now, who knows in a few years time they could sort out this country and put it right because it sure is not right at the moment.

Vote ukip
i will be voting for you bob

The best way to see how popular UKIP are is for Spink to resign and go for a by election. Now, if he and they are as popular as he and some (obviously UKIP party) commentators say in this blog, he will get in and have a massive moral advantage. The only reason not to resign is that he knows that he and UKIP are not popular and wants to hang on as MP for as long as he can. That's not fighting for residents interests. Thats only fighting for Bob Spink's interests. A hypocrite to the last.

I vote Conservative, I am Conservative ! I was just giving my opinion "Voter" obviously not UKIP !! smart arse !!

Poor old Bob, he's only doing it to keep his ex wife, gitlfriend, kids etc in employment.

Well, I was going to vote for him as an 'independent' because he has been a good constituency MP. Now he has thrown his hat in with UKIP, I consider him marginally insane. Just another loony, so he lost my vote now. However if there were to be a vy-election, i think that he would do a lot of colateral damage. Whereas if he waits till the next general election he'll have proved himself such a lunatic that the damage will be less.
So stay on as long as you like is what I say.

Anyone who advocates the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union must surely be shortsighted as the UK is far better placed in the EU than outside! The markets, which the UK lost when she first joined are not necessarily there for the asking. Taking on board the current economic climate the search for new markets would be a very long and hard task for the UK, so wake up you British!!!

lets hope he is not like the rest,

from sunday times....
“The UK Independence party MEP Tom Wise is being investigated over allegations that he embezzled tens of thousands of pounds of taxpayers’ money. Police are looking into claims, which appeared in The Sunday Times last year, that he claimed £36,000 a year in the name of a researcher paid a fraction of that sum.”

This follows on from the jailing last year of another MEP, elected for UKIP in 2004, for fraud and further allegations, by the Sunday Times, made earlier this year, against yet another UKIP MEP. Despite the passage of some two months, the Sunday Times has not, apparently, deemed it appropriate to publish a retraction.

Meanwhile, it is widely rumoured in UKIP circles and beyond, that questions are being asked as to why the party was awarded a party political broadcast - by the pro-EU BBC last Monday - despite failing to field the minimum number of candidates required for one. This development only serving to reinforce the belief of a growing number of people that UKIP is a “false flag” operation, existing for the purpose of diverting genuine anti-EU resources into a Europhile cul-de-sac.

just another scam to keep Nationals away from the BNP
So they can control you from Westminster.

I think Tony Winchester is right. Spink is no longer the MP that the constituents elected, and so he should stand down and face a by-election. Anything else is a travesty.

Bob Spink is the MP I voted for last time and will vote for again next time. Bob is a very hard working MP and represents the his constituents to the best of his abilities.

Boring!!!

So good to catch up with you Rob Atkins. After your comment the other day on the posting where I mentioned St George's Day.

For your info. I have my flags ready for tomorrow, have organised an event for the day and no, I do NOT vote Conservative or Labour, as you crassly assumed.

I do in fact represent the English Democrats Party and will be standing for them in Rayleigh on May 1st.

www.englishdemocrats
.org.uk

And to my other critics I see on this posting, Bob Spink is taking a step in the right direction though still not enough.

What we need is an ENGLISH PARLIAMENT and to control our own affairs, and not be paying Tartan Taxes to keep the Scots in freebies that we have to pay for, to the tune of billions of poundsworth of English taxpayers' money.

We do NOT need Europe, thankyou and it's a lie that we need to be with in it or our economy will collapse.

All lies and brainwash.

We were founder members of EFTA (European Free Trade Association) and as such, have no need to integrate and be ruled by a small diktat of Eurofatcats.

I do not want to live under daft laws made by politically correct morons in Brussels.

I do not want my country losing any more of its identity than it already has.

I do not want my country having all its traditional industries sold off to keep the powers that be happy.

I do not want the borders of my country controlled by people who have no interest in it at all, other than pure greed.

Most of all, I feel that European nations are losing their individual identities, quirks, curiosities - all the things we love about them as individuals.

Our country, according to my foreign colleagues, has always been respected for its uniqueness. Why should we lose it?

What next? A Euro uniform so we can all LOOK the same?

The list is infinite but people here really need to read up on the dangers of being sucked into the Euromachine before they follow the propogandists like sheep.

Oh and one more thing (as I imagine certain people will be desperate to respond to this in their usual ignorant and rude fashion).

BEFORE you criticise others who stand for election, for whatever reason, you have NO CREDIBILITY if a) you have not or are never will, undertake something like this yourself and b) if you cannot even have the courage of your convictions to sign your real full names at the end of your nasty little diatribes - or indeed, ANY of your opinions.

I'd like to see YOU get offyerass and put yourselves out to do something like this, as well as working, family life and all else.

Yes I chose to do this but I feel very strongly about what I believe in and unlike you, I am not just bleating on here and NOT prepared to do something, I am actually putting myself out.

Those I am talking to. You know who you are. You will not intimidate me because in fact, once I know whose opinions on here I don't particularly trust to be INFORMED, I use the roller button on my mouse and ignore them after I've given as good as I get.

If you don't like what I say, I suggest you do the same. Don't read my posts and don't comment.

Most of all get off YOUR butt and let's see what YOU are doing that's so great - other than having a go at me for having the kind of opinions most people have nowadays.

What is this woman's obsession with knowing who we are and where we live ?

Apart from being paranoid is she a stalker as well?

Anyone who advocates the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union must surely be shortsighted as the UK is far better placed in the EU than outside!

Absolutely! There’s only one European people. We share a common heritage, history, religion and language (how many words in English have their roots in Norse, German, French or Latin?). Britains place is at its heart leading a fiercely nationalistic and united Europe on towards a one world government. It’s the only way that the European people can survive the rampant spread of Islam and the decimation of our way of life. And ultimately, a united Europe must include Russia. It’s the largest country in Europe, after all.

Bloody disgaceful.Any MP or indeed Councillor who changes party( which is their right), should have to resign and if necassary call a bye election. So much for democracy when most votes are for party not person.

I will be voting for you Bob what ever party you stand for (apart from the bnp) as you are a great mp.

Why should he resign, because he changed parties.

The majority voted for him, not the party!!

miserableold git wrote:
Why should he resign, because he changed parties. The majority voted for him, not the party!!

Or are we suggesting that people would vote for a monkey because it was standing for the conservative party?

KimGandy wrote:
So good to catch up with you Rob Atkins. After your comment the other day on the posting where I mentioned St George\\\\\\\'s Day.

For your info. I have my flags ready for tomorrow, have organised an event for the day and no, I do NOT vote Conservative or Labour, as you crassly assumed.

I do in fact represent the English Democrats Party and will be standing for them in Rayleigh on May 1st.

www.englishdemocrats
.org.uk

And to my other critics I see on this posting, Bob Spink is taking a step in the right direction though still not enough.

What we need is an ENGLISH PARLIAMENT and to control our own affairs, and not be paying Tartan Taxes to keep the Scots in freebies that we have to pay for, to the tune of billions of poundsworth of English taxpayers\\\\\\\' money.

We do NOT need Europe, thankyou and it\\\\\\\'s a lie that we need to be with in it or our economy will collapse.

All lies and brainwash.

We were founder members of EFTA (European Free Trade Association) and as such, have no need to integrate and be ruled by a small diktat of Eurofatcats.

I do not want to live under daft laws made by politically correct morons in Brussels.

I do not want my country losing any more of its identity than it already has.

I do not want my country having all its traditional industries sold off to keep the powers that be happy.

I do not want the borders of my country controlled by people who have no interest in it at all, other than pure greed.

Most of all, I feel that European nations are losing their individual identities, quirks, curiosities - all the things we love about them as individuals.

Our country, according to my foreign colleagues, has always been respected for its uniqueness. Why should we lose it?

What next? A Euro uniform so we can all LOOK the same?

The list is infinite but people here really need to read up on the dangers of being sucked into the Euromachine before they follow the propogandists like sheep.

Oh and one more thing (as I imagine certain people will be desperate to respond to this in their usual ignorant and rude fashion).

BEFORE you criticise others who stand for election, for whatever reason, you have NO CREDIBILITY if a) you have not or are never will, undertake something like this yourself and b) if you cannot even have the courage of your convictions to sign your real full names at the end of your nasty little diatribes - or indeed, ANY of your opinions.

I\\\\\\\'d like to see YOU get offyerass and put yourselves out to do something like this, as well as working, family life and all else.

Yes I chose to do this but I feel very strongly about what I believe in and unlike you, I am not just bleating on here and NOT prepared to do something, I am actually putting myself out.

Those I am talking to. You know who you are. You will not intimidate me because in fact, once I know whose opinions on here I don\\\\\\\'t particularly trust to be INFORMED, I use the roller button on my mouse and ignore them after I\\\\\\\'ve given as good as I get.

If you don\\\\\\\'t like what I say, I suggest you do the same. Don\\\\\\\'t read my posts and don\\\\\\\'t comment.

Most of all get off YOUR butt and let\\\\\\\'s see what YOU are doing that\\\\\\\'s so great - other than having a go at me for having the kind of opinions most people have nowadays.

I take it you are posting this "ironically"?

If not, it's the most ill informed "drivel" I have ever read. It sounds like the rantings of the offspring of a certain Mrs Schicklgruber.

I take it you were happy for England to reap the benefits of North Sea Oil and Gas?

I would suggest you look up EFTA on Google!

And as for the rants on EU regulations, I would take 5 minutes to check out World Trade Organisation rules.!

way to go Bob we all are supporting you here in castle point

miserableold git wrote:
Why should he resign, because he changed parties. The majority voted for him, not the party!!

He should resign, he know that if he does, he would not get re-elected, joining UKIP for God sake.

This is the man who Started at a Conservative, become an independent, then joined UKIP, make your mind up!

KimGandy wrote:
So good to catch up with you Rob Atkins. After your comment the other day on the posting where I mentioned St George's Day. For your info. I have my flags ready for tomorrow, have organised an event for the day and no, I do NOT vote Conservative or Labour, as you crassly assumed. I do in fact represent the English Democrats Party and will be standing for them in Rayleigh on May 1st. www.englishdemocrats .org.uk And to my other critics I see on this posting, Bob Spink is taking a step in the right direction though still not enough. What we need is an ENGLISH PARLIAMENT and to control our own affairs, and not be paying Tartan Taxes to keep the Scots in freebies that we have to pay for, to the tune of billions of poundsworth of English taxpayers' money. We do NOT need Europe, thankyou and it's a lie that we need to be with in it or our economy will collapse. All lies and brainwash. We were founder members of EFTA (European Free Trade Association) and as such, have no need to integrate and be ruled by a small diktat of Eurofatcats. I do not want to live under daft laws made by politically correct morons in Brussels. I do not want my country losing any more of its identity than it already has. I do not want my country having all its traditional industries sold off to keep the powers that be happy. I do not want the borders of my country controlled by people who have no interest in it at all, other than pure greed. Most of all, I feel that European nations are losing their individual identities, quirks, curiosities - all the things we love about them as individuals. Our country, according to my foreign colleagues, has always been respected for its uniqueness. Why should we lose it? What next? A Euro uniform so we can all LOOK the same? The list is infinite but people here really need to read up on the dangers of being sucked into the Euromachine before they follow the propogandists like sheep. Oh and one more thing (as I imagine certain people will be desperate to respond to this in their usual ignorant and rude fashion). BEFORE you criticise others who stand for election, for whatever reason, you have NO CREDIBILITY if a) you have not or are never will, undertake something like this yourself and b) if you cannot even have the courage of your convictions to sign your real full names at the end of your nasty little diatribes - or indeed, ANY of your opinions. I'd like to see YOU get offyerass and put yourselves out to do something like this, as well as working, family life and all else. Yes I chose to do this but I feel very strongly about what I believe in and unlike you, I am not just bleating on here and NOT prepared to do something, I am actually putting myself out. Those I am talking to. You know who you are. You will not intimidate me because in fact, once I know whose opinions on here I don't particularly trust to be INFORMED, I use the roller button on my mouse and ignore them after I've given as good as I get. If you don't like what I say, I suggest you do the same. Don't read my posts and don't comment. Most of all get off YOUR butt and let's see what YOU are doing that's so great - other than having a go at me for having the kind of opinions most people have nowadays.

Yawn. Go away Kim.

Up until now I though Kim Gandy was a right-winger whose arguments were well thought out if a little verbose.

Her comment on this article though has changed my perception such that she is a right wing loonie along with the likes of evilc.

Kim,

Have you read the manifesto of your own party?

I have just read the FAQ and it seems your views are at odds with at least some of the views expressed on there?

152 wrote:
Up until now I though Kim Gandy was a right-winger whose arguments were well thought out if a little verbose.

Her comment on this article though has changed my perception such that she is a right wing loonie along with the likes of evilc.

I always thought they were the same person?

Dear Kim,
Sorry if you felt that comment on the ST.Georges page was aimed at you ,
It was actually for the one above you but if you look at the posting times you got yours there 1or2 minutes before me ,
But as i believe theres no BNP candidate in your ward your contesting i wish you all the very best.
Hopefully thats cleared that up,
and may i say i agree with your comment about people critising those standing for election it's a crying shame they don't stop whinning about this that and the other and actually stand up for something they believe in.

And yes i fully agree with what Tony Winchester wrote at the top of the page,
He is a BNP candidate And will tell the public the truth and believes in letting them democratically decide rather than have it thrown upon you without choice.

Dave the Rave wrote:

152 wrote: Up until now I though Kim Gandy was a right-winger whose arguments were well thought out if a little verbose. Her comment on this article though has changed my perception such that she is a right wing loonie along with the likes of evilc.

I always thought they were the same person?

Well until the Echo sorts out a proper means for people to communicate without it being possible for psychos to post under other peoples names, I'm afraid it's very difficult for anyone to say who is who really.

A lot of people on here have had others post under their names and I would take most sweeping statement postings on here with a pinch of salt these days.... sadly.

Anyway, the moon landings WERE faked. I saw no clangers or soup dragons in any of the photos. THat's all the proof you need.

Fact: The gerbil won the election as a Tory. If he is no longer a Tory and has any honour he would stand down and let the electorate decide. Unfortunately he has no honour and likes the power, pay and expenses too much to resign, just like McBroon.

Kim, most Irish people wish their island was united. Our island is already united and enjoys loads of benefits as a result, including north sea oil and gas. It would be plain stupid to give it up. Are you sure you wouldn't be better off with the BNP?

I believe that under our political system you elect a representative to forward your views in the House of Commons. The political party is allegedly" second to the person, who is supposed to represent OUR views.

If you agree with the way we elect MPs then the electorate made the decision to elect Bob Spink for the duration of this parliament. Which political party he belongs to is of no consequence.

Many MPs have crossed the floor including Winston Churchill.

I have concerns regarding the expenses that he has claimed and would like an independent inquiry into MPs salary, pensions and expenses.

I did not vote for him and doubt I will in future, however I believe he has been a good constituency MP and should be judged on this record.

It also appears to me that the "personal" side of Mr Spink's life together with that of a leading Conservative councillor has caused this incident to blow out of all proportion.

The whispering campaign and an alleged incident between them in a local Conservative club brings disrepute on ALL involved.

http://westbromblog.
blogspot.com/2008/04
/bob-spink-mp-finall
y-defects-to-ukip.ht
ml

has SOME VERY interesting items about this.

Dear Kim,

Help is available on the NHS, please do your best to access it, as you are losing any vestiges of the credibility that you may have once had.

Local Boy

Bob spink is now a UKIP member until an election is called . so that means about another £400,000 from us taxpayers to him and his staff(family).To confirm that his ex wife is not being paid as part of the divorse settlement as everyone assumes . why will he not release a log of her phone anmd computer work over the last four years then he can be seen as the honest man he portrays rather than the slimey Uriah Heep type character we all know and loathe.Tell the truth and show the work she supposedly does.

Not often you see a rat joining a sinking ship.

The gerbil has been a Labour MP, a Tory MP and now a UKIP MP. What's next Bob? Lib Dems, BNP, EDP? Whatever happened to loyalty and honour? I don't think Dr.Bob the tree surgeon knows what the words mean.

The main question being do we vote for a party or a person?

You vote for the person not the party, unless of course you're a muppit.

There was a time when the party name never appeared on a ballot slip, just the name of the candidates. The conservatives changed it, because it disadvantaged them. It meant that people did not have to know a candidates name!

Arthur Lincoln wrote:
Anyone who advocates the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union must surely be shortsighted as the UK is far better placed in the EU than outside! The markets, which the UK lost when she first joined are not necessarily there for the asking. Taking on board the current economic climate the search for new markets would be a very long and hard task for the UK, so wake up you British!!!

This country was quite able to support itself prior to all this EU nonsense. The EU is a dictatorship with the laws of a Police State and don't anyone try to tell you otherwise. The EU is slowly destroying this country by subversive techniques using organizations such as Common Purpose. If none of you have heard of Common Purpose I'd suggest doing a search for it on one of those popular channels. You're paying for it through your taxation and it is costing hundreds of thousands of pounds indoctrinating council leaders, the NHS, Police, and the Public Sector leaders. Oh Bob? UKIP is a Red Herring organization making people think that a political party is fighting for us. They're good at talking but they do sweet FA.

Just want to add - Kim Gandy will you contact me through my You Tu be channel Airscrew1. I'm with you on this and want to point some things out to you about Common Purpose.

Julia Middleton, the head of ‘Common Purpose‘, shared an office with Prescott for quite a considerable time, jointly planning the takeover by the Regions under CP’s control.I say again to you, ‘COMMON PURPOSE‘ are an evil organisation who will stop at nothing to do Brussels’s bidding. They have all the judges in their pockets, which is why we get such ludicrous judgements in our courts.

Their aim is solely to dis-spirit this country so much that we’ll simply roll over when Brussels finally makes it illegal for Westminster elections to be held - as per the Lisbon document - and they can totally control this “kingdom” (that’s a joke for a start).

you mean that common purpose.

Ashamed I ever voted Tory wrote:
The gerbil has been a Labour MP, a Tory MP and now a UKIP MP. What\'s next Bob? Lib Dems, BNP, EDP? Whatever happened to loyalty and honour? I don\'t think Dr.Bob the tree surgeon knows what the words mean.

Winston Churchill was a tory MP, then a liberal, then a tory MP/prime minister. Did he not have honour?

As for the xenophobic rants about Europe, conspiracy theories about Common Purpose etc. Are you people for real?

It was a tory prime minister who took Britain into Europe.

Why exactly do you think companies like Honda & Toyota open factories in the UK? It is because we are part of Europe and they can export to Europe free from trade tariffs!

The England you dream about, no longer exists, if it ever did.

As a younger poster, I buy clothes made in Italy, take holidays in Europe can speak English, French, Italian and German. We live in a new world, the British Empire no longer exists.

Your views are no longer relevant.

As for the £1 I really don't care if we ditch it. All I care is that I have enough of them in my pocket/bank account.

If Europe is so bad, perhaps you can explain why we:

Have higher interest rates than Western Europe?

Why the standard of living is higher in Western Europe?

Why Brits retire to Western/Southern Europe?

Why until recently we bought our alcohol from France?

Why the Euro is now at its highest level against sterling?

Why they don't have same levels of teenage delinquency, teenage pregnancy etc?

Your all living in the past!

Something in the City remarked, As for the xenophobic rants about Europe, conspiracy theories about Common Purpose etc. Are you people for real? , I sure am for real. It takes someone with an older head to see how this country has been destroyed by the EU. Young people have no idea what's going on because you don't have long term experience living in the UK. I know things weren't perfect, they could never be even now but you have to watch Brian Gerrish's video on Common Purpose to try and understand. I've even put two Police Officers on to it and they've been very surprised by what they've learnt.

Well said Paul. Younger people do not have the experience to know how good this country used to be and how far the politicians have dragged us into the gutter. Liasten to your own words "something in the city" (cleaner?). Standard of living higher in Europe, Euro at highest rate. less problems with kids etc. That is all because our politicians can't see beyond the next election and don't take the long term view any more. And this is not a party political speech, Labour and the Tories are both as bad as each other. What have they done to our once beutiful country?

THE TRUTH HURTS wrote:
Well said Paul. Younger people do not have the experience to know how good this country used to be and how far the politicians have dragged us into the gutter. Liasten to your own words \"something in the city\" (cleaner?). Standard of living higher in Europe, Euro at highest rate. less problems with kids etc. That is all because our politicians can\'t see beyond the next election and don\'t take the long term view any more. And this is not a party political speech, Labour and the Tories are both as bad as each other. What have they done to our once beutiful country?

If this was down to the EU, we'd all be enjoying those benefits. You think it's a coincidence that Labour and the Tories are both pro-EU and the country is in such a mess?

Another posting from a youngster I see. Tamora, listen to what you are saying - Labour and the Tories are both pro EU and the country is in a mess. Truth is we have more in common with the States, Canada, Australis etc. We should be like Switzerland and not be full members of the EU.

True true true

I realise this thread has gone slightly off topic regarding Bob Spink's move to UKIP, but I know how you young people think. Because you've never known life in an era without a strong EU prescence you see life in a different way to me. It's a bit like my old grandad back in the 1970's going on about how good the second world war era was. Not the war itself just the timespan. I could never imagine it because I was never there. But I do remember growing up in the 1960's and 70's before we had all this Political Correctness where people have to watch what they say because they may be arrested for inciting hate crime. Incidently Political Correctness comes straight from the Frankfurt School. I believe set up in the 1920's. It is a method of Psyhcopolitics used to reframe your mind into an alternative way of thinking. This is where Common Purpose comes in, because one of their ideas is that human beings have prejudices and those prejudices need to be addressed and dealt with. By handing this country over to Europe our government, I use that term loosely as they are so incompetent that government is the wrong word , are handing over our country as if it were selling shares in BP. I've tried to get my words about Common Purpose into print via the Echo but for some reason they don't print my letters. The only journalist who has is Peter Hitchens from The Mail on Sunday.

So you can't argue my questions TRUTH HURTS, so you make a personal comment? No I am not a cleaner, but what if I am, would it make my views less relevant? Do the views of cleaners not count then?

I am pleased to see that you agree that standards of living etc. are better in Western Europe than in UK.

As for being closer to USA, I take it that's meant ironically? Ypu are aware that we only recently finished paying USA back for Lend/Lease and post war loans?

That the British Empire broke up due to costs of fighting WW2 and being bankrupted at the end of it?

Please take some time to read some history/economics.

Paul Fretwel, Perhaps rather than quoting Peter Hitchens from the Daily Mail. A paper not highly respected for it's independent thought or political views. (Also you may want to research some of the comments the Daily Mail and it's proprietor were making back in late 1930s! ) You should quote some actual VERIFIABLE FACTS.



This country has not been handed over to Europe. Why is it that you're all convinced that Scotland is now independent of England/UK but Great Britain is now a province of the EU?

I would strongly suggest you look at some of the rules imposed by the world's most powerful non elected body. The World trade Organisation. Might I suggest you take 10 minutes to discover how powerful they are and how many of the things put down to EU are in fact WTO regulations.

No "Something in the city" I just can't be bothered to waste my time answering your points one by one for the simple reason that you're obviously too young to remember the long slide downhill as we have been slowly taken over by the EU. This country (Great Britain?!, not any more son) voted to join the common market in Edward Heaths referendum. We did NOT agree to become part of a federal Europe which is where the politicians are draggng us. We were always much better off on our own, better living stansards than the rest of Europe etc. AsI said, look to Switzerland which has resisted the urge to become full on EU members and they are doing fine. Go back to your hstory books but don't try to tell those of us who were there what it was like. ps the break up of our commonwealth had nothing to do with lend-lease, it would have happened anyway, it was just the natural progression of countries developing their own systems.

Truth Hurts, is I'm afraid, an elderly person who is resistant to change. People like them have had their time (and look at the mess we're in now)and are unwilling to admit they are wrong.

Europe is the future, we cannot stand alone against the trading might of the USA, India and China.

Truth Hurts your time has gone accept it and live out the rest of your life in the care home, and let the younger ones live for the future.

Reality wrote:
Truth Hurts, is I'm afraid, an elderly person who is resistant to change. People like them have had their time (and look at the mess we're in now)and are unwilling to admit they are wrong. Europe is the future, we cannot stand alone against the trading might of the USA, India and China. Truth Hurts your time has gone accept it and live out the rest of your life in the care home, and let the younger ones live for the future.

Wrong wrong wrong. I'm im my fifties and just started a new masters degree (my second) so I am provably not a lame brain. You are obvously still a kid wet behind the ears who knows nothing but like all youngsters you think you know it all. You know nothing.

the TRUTH HURTS is RIGHT.

We only agreed to join the common market, we never agreed to be dragged into the EUs federalistic europe as we have been. I admit there are some benefits in EU membershio but there are loads more disadvantages than advantages and the net result is that this country is now a pile of cr@p. As the man says we should be more like Switzerland and get out now.

in my experience most people get wiser as they get older and the young just accept things as they are whereas older people can see the bigger picture. The EU and mass imigration have not been good for us.

I'd suggest to Something in the city that you should read my post. I didn't quote anything by Peter Hitchens I said he's written up some of my comments, I should have added that they are on his blog page for the mail on sunday.

Something in the City. I suggest you read my post again. I did not quote anything by Peter Hitchens, I said he had been the only journalist to print up my remarks about Common Purpose. I should have added that these were posted on his blog page not actually in the paper itself. Hope that clears up the terrible misunderstanding for you.

I'm im my fifties and just started a new masters degree (my second) so I am provably not a lame brain. You are obvously still a kid wet behind the ears who knows nothing but like all youngsters you think you know it all. You know nothing.

It is very easy to make personal claims on here that are unverifiable.

If your syntax, grammar, spelling and punctuation are anything to go by then when you say you are doing your masters, for your second degree, then quite frankly I don't believe you.

I think you are telling porkies.

But what can you expect from the elderly unreconstructed right wing headbangers that is UKIP.

You people have had your day now do the younger generations a favour and just shut up.

This is a different world to the one you were brought up in and your time has gone.

Well done to Bob for not "towing the party line". In response to Dave C, many business people employ relatives and friends as the know they can trust them more than a stranger.

Shame you don't have the intellect to understand plain English then isn't it? I didn't say I'm doing a second degree (read it again). I'm in my first year of a part-time Business Studies Masters at UEL (formerly NELP) at Stratford. I already have a first class BSc Hons and a Masters, all earned when a degree was actually worth having. However, I've had to go back to school because the world is changing but my current (second) Masters course shouldn't be classified as a Masters as by my standards it's no harder than a normal degree. Learn to read.

If you had any intelligence you would also know that assumptions will almost certainly lead you to jump to the wrong conclusions. I am neither elderly (50's isn't old, it's just old enough to have gained some wisdom) or a member of UKIP. In fact I do not support any political party because they have ALL messed this country up over the last 20 years. And in case you have missed the point it is people my age who run the country, run all the big businesses and are probably your bosses. Shame some of my generation are just as idiotic as you. I say again you know nothing. Got better things to do now so goodbye.

THE TRUTH HURTS is spot on right "Reality", and I'm only in my early 40's so I'm no old codger. You don't have to be that old to remember what this country used to be like before mass immigration and the EU really took over. It's our political system that is wrong as it encourages politicians to think no further than the next general election. As for Dr.Bob, some people vote for the person but many do vote for the party so if the man had any decency he would stand down and let the voters decide whether they want him or not. If he thought he'd win he would stand down. That speaks volumes. Go NOW Bob.

Reality and Something in the City sound very similar to one another...

I quote:

"If your syntax, grammar, spelling and punctuation are anything to go by then when you say you are doing your masters, for your second degree, then quite frankly I don't believe you."

I feel he needs to re-read some of his own comments as they are sadly lacking the qualities of competent grammar.

Fluent in four languages as well. There's something else he's fluent in as well :)

Now if you really want to worry about something, i would suggest you all start worrying about the The Long Emergency.

You may have recently noticed the rise in various foodstuffs?

Also the rise in Oil and Gas prices?

Rather than worrying about the EU and Great Britain, it may be worth reading what economists and analysts are predicting now that Peak Oil Production has either happened, or will happen in next 3 years.

Here are some things to look at:

Land being turned over to production of Biofuels.

Governments talking about investing in Nuclear Power.

Huge rises in Oil/Gas prices.

Some experts say that the age of cheap energy is about to end.

it's far too detailed to list here, just google The Long Emergency

IT nerd, your comments demonstrate how feeble your argument is. Also Blackberrys are SO Passe'

Can we please keep the debate to the actual facts and not get carried away by silly little personal insults.

Reality? I don't know what qualifications you have, probably one of those NVQ's that are handed out like cakes at the womens institute. No disrespect to the womens institute. I know whose word I'd accept and that's from Truth Hurts. (I wish people would use their real names but I understand your reasons for not doing so what with the Thought Police probably reading this thread.) I think Reality and Something etc, etc.. . Will one day wake up to a Police State. I often use this scenario on people who cannot see the wood for the trees. But if the Gestapo were filmed walking up Whitehall with their Jack Boots stamping on the tarmac, the likes of you would probably think they were going to a fancy dress party. God help you poor souls and don't say you weren't warned when your time runs out.

Oh I forgot to mention to SITC. Your last post has got something to do with Sustainable Development. I'm not going into that on here but you are absolutely correct in what you say. Gosh I can't believe I've agreed with you on something.

But if the Gestapo were filmed walking up Whitehall with their Jack Boots stamping on the tarmac, the likes of you would probably think they were going to a fancy dress party.

Is that the best you can do.

For your information The Geheime Staats Polizei were disbanded over 60years ago.

But the elderly were so frightened by the Germans that it still scares them 63years on.

Which is the real reason why UKIP appeal to headbangers,the geriatric and little Englanders, they're unable to face reality and accept that things have moved on and cannot cope with change.

Does it really matter what qualifications people have? I think we now live in a society where peoples progress is mainly based on merit.

I know that before 1986, I would not have been given the opportunity to have the post I now have. In those days it was all "old school tie" etc.

My comments have less to do with sustainable development, more to do with a sea change in the way we all live our lives.

With no more cheap energy, what will happen to the western economies?

Most immediately we face the end of the cheap-fossil-fuel era. It is no exaggeration to state that reliable supplies of cheap oil and natural gas underlie everything we identify as the necessities of modern life :
central heating, air conditioning, cars, airplanes, electric lights, inexpensive clothing, recorded music, movies, hip-replacement surgery,

The few people who are even aware that there is a gathering energy predicament usually misunderstand the core of the argument. That argument states that we don't have to run out of oil to start having severe problems with industrial civilization and its dependent systems. We only have to slip over the all-time production peak and begin a slide down the arc of steady depletion.

The term "global oil-production peak" means that a turning point will come when the world produces the most oil it will ever produce in a given year and, after that, yearly production will inexorably decline.

It is usually represented graphically in a bell curve. The peak is the top of the curve, the halfway point of the world's all-time total endowment, meaning half the world's oil will be left.

That seems like a lot of oil, and it is, but there's a big catch: It's the half that is much more difficult to extract, far more costly to get, of much poorer quality and located mostly in places where the people hate us. A substantial amount of it will never be extracted.

The U.S. peak in oil production in 1970 brought on a huge change in geoeconomic power. Within a few years, foreign producers, chiefly OPEC, were setting the price of oil, and this in turn led to the oil crises of the 1970s.

In response, frantic development of non-OPEC oil, especially the North Sea fields of England and Norway, essentially saved the West for about two decades. Since 1999, these fields have entered depletion. Meanwhile, worldwide discovery of new oil has steadily declined to insignificant levels. (Ref Shell overstating oil reserves in 2004-5!)

While you are wondering about Gestapo Jackboots, I will be wondering if we can afford or are able to switch on the lights, TV, Fridge, Freezer etc.

Does that mean that we will soon be feeling the effects of global cooling?

Reality and Something in the City are definitely the same person. Thinks a lot of himself doesn't he? And now he's going on about oil prices. Can't win one arguement so he changes the arguement. Never fear he'll grow up one day.

AJP wrote:
Reality and Something in the City are definitely the same person. Thinks a lot of himself doesn't he? And now he's going on about oil prices. Can't win one arguement so he changes the arguement. Never fear he'll grow up one day.

Well he's won the argument of who is most likely to bore everyone to death on here.

I like:

"Can we please keep the debate to the actual facts and not get carried away by silly little personal insults."

I get that after pointing out that he was criticising others when his own grammar was imperfect. Then saying that he didn't believe what other people were saying and calling them liars. Is that not insulting people?

Plus he's the biggest liar of all seeing as he copied-and-pasted most of his text above.

http://www.powerswit
ch.org.uk/portal/ind
ex.php?option=conten
t&task=view&id=543&I
temid=2

He has to copy other people's work because he has no imagination of his own.

Please explain to us all why you copy and paste and then try to pass it off as your own work?

IT Nerd, I have no way of proving that I am a different person from Reality.

I NEVER claimed to have wrote article, if you had bothered to check, you would have seen I said GOOGLE THE LONG EMERGENCY. I should have said that I had cut & pasyed from Rolling Stone Magazine but it's been a long day. At NO TIME DID I CLAIM IT WAS MY WORK!

At no time have I EVER called anyone a liar. Well not since I was six! Also I have NEVER criticised anyone's spelling or grammar.

You are very proud of your blackberry I see. Good for you, it obviously makes you feel important. Good for you.

AJP, as no one was able to argue with me about higher standard of living in Europe etc. (please see above), perhaps you can explain to me how I lost that argument?

Again, why do you feel the need to "snipe" at others with "perhaps he will grow up one day".

I have tried to keep my comments factual, I have not sniped or made personal comments at others. So why do you feel the need to act like this. I believe it belittles yourself and your argument.

Perhaps if you read the news today, you would see fuel prices are still rising.

I was simply drawing your attention to the fact that some analysts are forecasting that we may be about to see some surprising changes in the world that we know. Hopefully they are wrong.

"I NEVER claimed to have wrote article, if you had bothered to check, you would have seen I said GOOGLE THE LONG EMERGENCY. I should have said that I had cut & pasyed from Rolling Stone Magazine but it's been a long day. At NO TIME DID I CLAIM IT WAS MY WORK!"

You didn't disclaim it though. You were hoping to come across as clever and get away with it but you're simply regurgitating other people's work.

Why? You're obviously not stupid and I quite like your off-kilter point of view so why not put your own words across?

It's all too easy to pass off other people's words as your own.

It's lazy.

I am sorry I didn't disclaim it. For all those reading. I never wrote the words from:

"Most Immediately." Until "While".

As I said, I refuse to make personal comments, as I find that once people do that, they have inevitably lost the argument.

PS I don't care if you like my "off kilter" point of view.

Wow, I never knew about long emergency, very interesting well done. thanks for heads up.

It certainly makes you think.

IT, AJP & DFS sound like that idiot grillo up to his usual tricks!

We notice U dont deny it Gaylord.

any1 else noticed how blokes who brag are always small in size PMSL

Dave the rave,

I most certainly am not and never have been anything to do with any character called "grillo" or any of the other correspondents on this site.

Thank you.

DFS Sofas wrote:
We notice U dont deny it Gaylord. any1 else noticed how blokes who brag are always small in size PMSL

Ha Ha Ha Ha. Is that the best you can come up with? A joke about the size of a member? Homophobic comment passing under a company name as well. That has to be worth reporting to the real DFS Sofas. I'm sure they'd love that.

Why don't you bring more imaginary friends to help you out, Something in the City or copy and paste something else to make yourself look clever, copy and paste boy.

Nice to see you show your true colours. I knew it wouldn't take long, Grillo/Dave the Rave. Creating aliases to defend yourself and attack others.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha

Still the same old losers I see, with the same old arguments - you can dish it out but you sure can't take it.

As I said before, I refuse to get involved in personal slanging matches IT Nerd. As I find they contribute little to the debate and show what kind of person you are.

Your comments and 1-0 byline prove that you must be Grillo, and as I think you must be in need of some kind of help, I won't be drawn.

Enjoy your Blackberry. it's good to see they have filtered down to IT bod level.

Something in the City wrote:
As I said before, I refuse to get involved in personal slanging matches IT Nerd. As I find they contribute little to the debate and show what kind of person you are. Your comments and 1-0 byline prove that you must be Grillo, and as I think you must be in need of some kind of help, I won't be drawn. Enjoy your Blackberry. it's good to see they have filtered down to IT bod level.

He can't help it, that's what living on Canvey does to you I'm afraid...

Boswell wrote:

Something in the City wrote: As I said before, I refuse to get involved in personal slanging matches IT Nerd. As I find they contribute little to the debate and show what kind of person you are. Your comments and 1-0 byline prove that you must be Grillo, and as I think you must be in need of some kind of help, I won't be drawn. Enjoy your Blackberry. it's good to see they have filtered down to IT bod level.

He can't help it, that's what living on Canvey does to you I'm afraid...

To me, Something in the city sounds more like Grillo or the guy who was harassing others in the past.

Only Grillo copies stuff from other sites and tries to pass it off as his own stuff to look clever. He didn't like getting caught out like that.

Sounds like he got a taste of his own medicine and didn't like it.

It's made my weekend to see that.

Bored of Something in the City and other names wrote:

Boswell wrote:

Something in the City wrote: As I said before, I refuse to get involved in personal slanging matches IT Nerd. As I find they contribute little to the debate and show what kind of person you are. Your comments and 1-0 byline prove that you must be Grillo, and as I think you must be in need of some kind of help, I won't be drawn. Enjoy your Blackberry. it's good to see they have filtered down to IT bod level.

He can't help it, that's what living on Canvey does to you I'm afraid...

To me, Something in the city sounds more like Grillo or the guy who was harassing others in the past.

Only Grillo copies stuff from other sites and tries to pass it off as his own stuff to look clever. He didn't like getting caught out like that.

Sounds like he got a taste of his own medicine and didn't like it.

It's made my weekend to see that.

No your not IT nerd anylonger, now your Bored?

Yet another Grillo trick I am afraid, pretending to be someone else.

Care in the community is a wonderful thing I see.