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Vicar: I'm back working for the BNP

3:02pm Tuesday 6th May 2008

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A CHURCH leader is still working for the BNP - just weeks after claiming he would leave the far-right party.

In March, the Echo revealed the Rev John Stanton, former chairman of Rochford District Council, was working as a party organiser for the district.

But following our story, he said he had turned his back on the party after being "misled" and that he did not trust anything the party said.

But Mr Stanton, 75, who heads Rock Dene Christian Fellowship, based in his home, in Leicester Avenue, Rochford, has now "changed his mind" and is working for the party again.

At the Rochford District Council elections on Thursday Mr Stanton was the agent for the party's two candidates.

He said: "I was talked out of the BNP by a number of local Christians. Since then I have changed my mind."

Mr Stanton said he supports the party's views on Europe and combating extremism. He added that his congregation of around 20 people does not object to him supporting the party.

Mr Stanton spent four years as a Lib Dem councillor in Rochford in the 1990s and five years as a Conservative in the 1970s.

Tory leader Terry Cutmore, who retained his Ashingdon and Canewdon seat, said: "It seems very two-faced.

"Is he saying he is a member of the BNP, and supports their views, or he isn't?

"The BNP obviously hasn't got a place in Rochford."


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steeve, southenbd says...
3:07pm Tue 6 May 08

free country isnt it (well almost)

Local Boy, Hawkwell says...
3:23pm Tue 6 May 08

There is nothing christian about this man or his fellowship.

However from his history he clearly doesn't quite know his political leanings and from previous articles he probably doesn't know what day of the week it is!

Old Jim, Rochford says...
3:52pm Tue 6 May 08

Yeah your right Local Boy and who are the Rock Dene Christian Fellowship anyway? I've never heard of them. Is it a religious group that he's invented? If so he sounds like a right fruit cake.

horace Wimpole, Little Futtock says...
3:53pm Tue 6 May 08

No wonder his congregation numbers approx. 20. From the sound of his previous shenanigans and his comments to date, the chap's obviously a complete lost-it.

Giles, London says...
3:54pm Tue 6 May 08

You are not in a position to judge the man nor his fellowship. The political parties about whom you write have changed considerably, a Labour Party in the 70s could not have taken us to a war like that in Iraq which has caused the death of more than 200,000 people and counting, it was opposed to membership of the EU now loves it, the Conservative Party has turned against the EU they once loved, and the Labour Party wanted to nationalise everything and now wants to privatise it. Maybe the man has moved less than an inch in his policies, but, as most will agree the Parties have been going bananas!

Giles, London says...
3:57pm Tue 6 May 08

You are not in a position to judge the man nor his fellowship. The political parties about whom you write have changed considerably, a Labour Party in the 70s could not have taken us to a war like that in Iraq which has caused the death of more than 200,000 people and counting, it was opposed to membership of the EU now loves it, the Conservative Party has turned against the EU they once loved, and the Labour Party wanted to nationalise everything and now wants to privatise it. Maybe the man has moved less than an inch in his policies, but, as most will agree the Parties have been going bananas!

Robert, London says...
3:57pm Tue 6 May 08

More and more people are getting behind the BNP because it's becoming very obvious that the real extremists are the political establishment that are destroying the country. The BNP have right on their side now. They have the moral high ground and it's turning into a fight between good and evil as far as I'm concerened. Well done Vicar, and don't be bullied to change your mind.

Ollie, London says...
4:00pm Tue 6 May 08

They tried to turn his head, he faltered, but kept to the true path.

God bless you Vicar if only there were a few more like you to stand up for their Christian flock.

Horace Wimpole, Little Futtock says...
4:20pm Tue 6 May 08

Ha ha, here we go again.

amw, Southend says...
4:43pm Tue 6 May 08

steeve wrote:
free country isnt it (well almost)
It will not be if the British Nazi Party ever gain power.

David, London says...
4:47pm Tue 6 May 08

Is there a British Nazi Party - there is nothing on the Web about it - just curious.

KARL JONES, Bradford says...
4:49pm Tue 6 May 08

In this country we have a right of privacy. The constant harassment of this man of principle is disgusting. The BNP is a lgitimate political party. If you do not like free speech and a pluralistic democracy then leave this country clear off to Iran or North Korea. Liberal fascists make me sick.

victim of the nazis, 741-999 says...
4:52pm Tue 6 May 08

first they came for the jews,
and i did not speak out because i was not a jew.

then they came for the communists,
and i did not speak out because i was not a communist.

then they came for the trades unionists, and i did not speak out as i was not a trades unionist.

then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Pastor Neimuller, victim of the Nazis.

Bendylonglegs, says...
4:56pm Tue 6 May 08

I find it shameful the amount of people in this area who have voted for the BNP, they are and always will be a deeply racist/Nazi leaning party.

Horace Wimpole, Little Futtock says...
4:56pm Tue 6 May 08

KARL JONES wrote:
In this country we have a right of privacy. The constant harassment of this man of principle is disgusting. The BNP is a lgitimate political party. If you do not like free speech and a pluralistic democracy then leave this country clear off to Iran or North Korea. Liberal fascists make me sick.
With democracy comes responsibility

The Vicar (not the BNP one), Basildon Tatooed Potato Factory says...
5:08pm Tue 6 May 08

Robert wrote:
More and more people are getting behind the BNP because it\'s becoming very obvious that the real extremists are the political establishment that are destroying the country. The BNP have right on their side now. They have the moral high ground and it\'s turning into a fight between good and evil as far as I\'m concerened. Well done Vicar, and don\'t be bullied to change your mind.
People can vote for who they like but I still don't see the BNP as a political powerhouse. Their past Nazi and Hitler-loving origins turn off a lot of people - despite the BNP's best efforts to lose that part of their history.

I really don't think they have any kind of high ground - moral or otherwise. I mean, your most high profile councillor was found to be cheating on his fiance with an immigrant recently.

That's certainly sticking to your principles that one.

Plus looking at most BNP councillors reminds of an experiment gone wrong between a pitbull and a human-sized tattooed potato.

amw, southend says...
5:17pm Tue 6 May 08

David wrote:
Is there a British Nazi Party - there is nothing on the Web about it - just curious.
google the founder of the BNP, John Tyndall, you will find plenty of Nazi views there aswell as some pictures of him posing in Nazi and SS uniforms.
(not to be confused with the scientist of the same name) esteamed

AMW, Southend says...
5:48pm Tue 6 May 08

Horace Wimpole wrote:
KARL JONES wrote: In this country we have a right of privacy. The constant harassment of this man of principle is disgusting. The BNP is a lgitimate political party. If you do not like free speech and a pluralistic democracy then leave this country clear off to Iran or North Korea. Liberal fascists make me sick.
With democracy comes responsibility
and Hitler's Nazis were a "legitimate" political party. At least untill they murdered 6 million jews,20 million Russians, and just about anyone else who disagreed with them.

George Deighton, London says...
5:55pm Tue 6 May 08

Posted by: victim of the nazis, 741-999 on Today
first they came for the jews, and i did not speak out because i was not a jew. then they came for the communists, and i did not speak out because i was not a communist. then they came for the trades unionists, and i did not speak out as i was not a trades unionist. then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me. Pastor Neimuller, victim of the Nazis.
first they came for the jews,
and i did not speak out because i was not a jew.

then they came for the communists,
and i did not speak out because i was not a communist.

then they came for the trades unionists, and i did not speak out as i was not a trades unionist.

then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Pastor Neimuller, victim of the Nazis.

George Deighton, London says...
6:00pm Tue 6 May 08

Please 999 victim of the Nazis all this business happened over 60 years ago, surly you don’t think Britain’s 3rd world immigrant population cares about the events of WW2 as sad as it was, anyway most kids when asked today, think it was either Hitler or Churchill that were the first men on the moon, So much for labours educational system what was it Blair said Education Education Education.
But there is a present day holocaust which is just as terrible that is the slaughter by the boiling and skinnining alive of millions of Cats and dogs in china for fur i.e. the decorating of cheap n tat cloths for their rag trade, although these victims they are not human that still feel fear and pain and some of us think they are just as important, the past is dead 999 let the victims of WW2 rest in peace . And let’s concentrate on the animal holocaust and global warming please.

George Deighton, london says...
6:10pm Tue 6 May 08

Point of intrest.

I belive the BNP are winning becuse they are fighting for their survival and their homeland, who unlike their opposition gave it away. Comments.

Local Boy, Hawkwell says...
6:40pm Tue 6 May 08

So we have people from London, Bradford and wherever else defending the BNP. Seems to me like the Echo website has got a reputation for not standing for the BNP's lies. Hence the sudden interest from BNP supporters not in this locale. Are we being monitered by the far right?

Many of us stood up against the lies of the National Front and we will stand up against the lies of the BNP. Just as our fathers and grand-fathers stood up against Hitler and his cronies. Same policies different passports!

bob, basildon says...
7:00pm Tue 6 May 08

maybe if the christian church in this country defended their religion in the same way muslim countries defend theirs they wouldnt get vicars leaving them to join the BNP.

john, says...
7:04pm Tue 6 May 08

Local Boy wrote:
<b> So we have people from London, Bradford and wherever else defending the BNP. Seems to me like the Echo website has got a reputation for not standing for the BNP's lies. Hence the sudden interest from BNP supporters not in this locale. Are we being monitered by the far right?

Many of us stood up against the lies of the National Front and we will stand up against the lies of the BNP. Just as our fathers and grand-fathers stood up against Hitler and his cronies. Same policies different passports!</b>
Most papers are being monitored these days by the right and the left and seeing as it is the internet you're more likely to get pros and antis from far afield and not just local. Being a pro I personally find these sort of articles offensive and so will leave a comment to show my dissaproval.

Robert, London says...
7:13pm Tue 6 May 08

The Vicar (not the BNP one) wrote:
Robert wrote: More and more people are getting behind the BNP because it\'s becoming very obvious that the real extremists are the political establishment that are destroying the country. The BNP have right on their side now. They have the moral high ground and it\'s turning into a fight between good and evil as far as I\'m concerened. Well done Vicar, and don\'t be bullied to change your mind.
People can vote for who they like but I still don't see the BNP as a political powerhouse. Their past Nazi and Hitler-loving origins turn off a lot of people - despite the BNP's best efforts to lose that part of their history. I really don't think they have any kind of high ground - moral or otherwise. I mean, your most high profile councillor was found to be cheating on his fiance with an immigrant recently. That's certainly sticking to your principles that one. Plus looking at most BNP councillors reminds of an experiment gone wrong between a pitbull and a human-sized tattooed potato.
Was he? I don't know as I don't bother reading the lying gutter press. If you really are a Vicar you're a disgrace to your country. You should be out there defending your (our)cristian values like this brave Vicar. Instead of hiding behind your spineless PC platitudes. When the day comes that you need the indigenous population to defend you, you'd better pray that they forgive you.

Fred Jones, London &amp; Leicester says...
7:23pm Tue 6 May 08

"The BNP obviously hasn't got a place in Rochford." says local Tory leader - he seems to think he speaks for everyone: a typical fascist attitude! Well done vicar - I know another vicar in the BNP, the rev Rob West, and excellent fellow who understands The Bible and Christians' right to their national homelands in which ever part of the world they come from.


Joshua, says...
7:29pm Tue 6 May 08

Judging by the disgusting displays of attempted intimidation in the comments on this website it doesn't surprise me that Rev John Stanton had a hard time sticking to his support of the BNP.

I find it horrifying that pro-immigration activists here would resort so quickly to raising the nightmares of the Holocaust to try to forcibly shut-down any political party or group that tries to stop mass immigration.

The truth is that the BNP is trying to prevent the destruction of their own people in the face of modern colonism, they are not Nazis and I do not believe they would ever harm anyone else. Unlike Labour who chose to help invade Iraq.

john, says...
7:42pm Tue 6 May 08

Joshua wrote:
<b> Judging by the disgusting displays of attempted intimidation in the comments on this website it doesn\'t surprise me that Rev John Stanton had a hard time sticking to his support of the BNP.

I find it horrifying that pro-immigration activists here would resort so quickly to raising the nightmares of the Holocaust to try to forcibly shut-down any political party or group that tries to stop mass immigration.

The truth is that the BNP is trying to prevent the destruction of their own people in the face of modern colonism, they are not Nazis and I do not believe they would ever harm anyone else. Unlike Labour who chose to help invade Iraq.</b>
Indeeed you'll that most anti-BNP types are also pro EU. Guess who dreamt that concept up in the first place?

Yooooooouve guessed haven't you? Yes it was the Nazis.

So who are the real Nazis? The BNP surely can't be as they want out of europe and not surprising really with all the taxpayers money they waste.


Margaret Stoll, Rochford says...
7:49pm Tue 6 May 08

Fred Jones wrote:
<b> "The BNP obviously hasn't got a place in Rochford." says local Tory leader - he seems to think he speaks for everyone: a typical fascist attitude! Well done vicar - I know another vicar in the BNP, the rev Rob West, and excellent fellow who understands The Bible and Christians' right to their national homelands in which ever part of the world they come from.

</b>
My only comment on what Cllr Cutmore, Ashingdon and Canewdon ward, leader of Rochford council said is this: It's not for you to say what political party has or hasn't 'got a place' in Rochford. Your party swept the board last Thursday, but that doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you.

There has been much quoting of Pastor Niemoller in this thread, and the words 'nazi' and 'fascist' have been used without an understanding of the meaning of those terms. However, here's another quotation for Cllr Cutmore: 'Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely'. This is from Lord Acton in the 19th century.

No local councillor is going to dictate to me how I think, although Cllr Cutmore, now he has that 'absolute power' locally, obviously thinks he can. John Stanton is a neighbour and friend of mine, I've known him for years and he's a good guy.

The Rock Dene Christian Fellowship in Leicester Avenue, Rochford (next street to where I live) is a house-based church. Which is how the early Christians started up, holding worship services in their own homes. All are welcome, although I haven't been to a service there for some years - Barry and I go to Rochford Methodist church. Oh, and for all the talk about the Jews, my husband Barry was brought up as a Jew but he was baptised and confirmed in the Methodist church in his 70th year. And he too thinks that John Stanton is a good guy.

christian agnostic, southend says...
8:11pm Tue 6 May 08

Love one another as I have loved you.
a central Christian belief.hardly copatible with the beliefs of the BNP

John, says...
8:27pm Tue 6 May 08

christian agnostic wrote:
<b> Love one another as I have loved you.
a central Christian belief.hardly copatible with the beliefs of the BNP</b>
How about the Christians Crusades does that ring any bells?

And I don't know if you recall but Jesus didn't actually love everyone as such he fought against corruption and those that were on the payroll crusifided him for it.

Remember?

Kim Gandy, Rayleigh says...
8:32pm Tue 6 May 08

Once again, carping snipers who have most likely never met the man -- same as they have never met me and know nothing about me.

I HAVE met him. He officiated at a funeral of someone very close to me and he was simply one of the nicest, kindest men I have ever met.

I also met him at the count on Thursday. He was thoroughly gracious and made an excellent speech from the platform.

Chatting to him during the count, as were other candidates and councillors of different parties, it was obvious he was a very thoughtful, well balanced, kind individual.

Which is more than I can say for the yet again inexperienced carpers here.


evilc, essex says...
8:33pm Tue 6 May 08

Why worry they are no better no worse than the socialist workers party.

Best to ignore either because they have as much chance of gaining government than the Will woodnog party

Bob, London says...
8:38pm Tue 6 May 08

christian agnostic wrote:
Love one another as I have loved you. a central Christian belief.hardly copatible with the beliefs of the BNP
Very simplistic, and unfortunately completely out of date. Whilst maybe not "loving" everyone, they at least respect that people are very different and are realistic enough to see where we are heading. They alone have the moral fibre to stand up and tell the disturbing truth that a lot of people just don't want to hear. I believe the BNP represent our best chance of avoiding an even worse fate than the former Yugoslavia. Burying your head in the sand and wishing that we all "loved" each other is not going to help. The vicar in question is a brave soul who's trying to help in spite of the insults and smears as expressed in the usual hysterical lefty comments, and general snearing tone of this article (another Murdoch owned rag by any chance?).

Clyde, Northants says...
8:44pm Tue 6 May 08

What the h*ll has the vicar's political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man's private affairs!

James, Cambridge says...
8:54pm Tue 6 May 08

I think I'll email this article to the police. Seems like blatant intimidation to me. You disgust me hounding a good 75 year old man like this, just because you don't agree with his political views. You are the "nazis" Echo. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

cra, essex says...
8:54pm Tue 6 May 08

can some one tell me who he should be working for its a free world thats why every one wants to come here

The Vicar, Camp Baschwitz says...
9:07pm Tue 6 May 08

Robert wrote:
The Vicar (not the BNP one) wrote:
Robert wrote: More and more people are getting behind the BNP because it\'s becoming very obvious that the real extremists are the political establishment that are destroying the country. The BNP have right on their side now. They have the moral high ground and it\'s turning into a fight between good and evil as far as I\'m concerened. Well done Vicar, and don\'t be bullied to change your mind.
People can vote for who they like but I still don't see the BNP as a political powerhouse. Their past Nazi and Hitler-loving origins turn off a lot of people - despite the BNP's best efforts to lose that part of their history. I really don't think they have any kind of high ground - moral or otherwise. I mean, your most high profile councillor was found to be cheating on his fiance with an immigrant recently. That's certainly sticking to your principles that one. Plus looking at most BNP councillors reminds of an experiment gone wrong between a pitbull and a human-sized tattooed potato.
Was he? I don't know as I don't bother reading the lying gutter press. If you really are a Vicar you're a disgrace to your country. You should be out there defending your (our)cristian values like this brave Vicar. Instead of hiding behind your spineless PC platitudes. When the day comes that you need the indigenous population to defend you, you'd better pray that they forgive you.
Well I haven't read anywhere where he denies not having an affair.

By all accounts (referring to the gutter press again) he was emailing photos of his genitals to her. Classy.

Is this the kind of person you want looking after your best interests, BNP or otherwise?

Your rant pretty much sums up the average BNP supporter. Last thing I care about is what a bunch of potato pitbulls care to deign a "forgivable" action. Off to the gas chambers is it for my "kind"?

You can't even spell Christian right!

John, says...
9:10pm Tue 6 May 08

evilc wrote:
<b> Why worry they are no better no worse than the socialist workers party.

Best to ignore either because they have as much chance of gaining government than the Will woodnog party</b>
But if there's a big enough economic collapse..Sorry that's another story.

So let's take as an example the Green Party shall we?

They're not in power but their policies have been adopted.

Remember the big 3 are after one thing, votes.

Claudia, Surrey says...
9:12pm Tue 6 May 08

Maybe he should be working for a typical local rag that abuses its position, and tries to indoctrinate people into agreeing with its own liberal left political views.
Would that be more acceptable Mr/Ms Echo Editor? Vile bullies.

Francis Grubb, Westcliff says...
9:13pm Tue 6 May 08

Clyde wrote:
What the h*ll has the vicar's political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man's private affairs!
Read the Echo regularly, do you then "Clyde from Northants"? Thought not...

Or are you just part of the BNP rent-a-mob that descends like flies on here when there's any mention of them on the web?

For the record, I agree with Kim G (only partially, mind you!); I knew John Stanton when he was a teacher at my school - great guy.

I personally find it disappointing that he's a BNP supporter, but if that's what he believes in, then that's up to him. Shame, but there you go.

For the second time today (...reaches for the brandy...), I agree with evilc - extremist parties from the far left (SWP or whatever the flavour is these days) or far right (NF/BNP) just don't give a monkey's about normal people. All they are interested in is getting power to further their own blinkered narrow-minded cause they call "the truth" (pmsl...).


Frank

Bob, London says...
9:22pm Tue 6 May 08

Francis Grubb wrote:
Clyde wrote: What the h*ll has the vicar's political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man's private affairs!
Read the Echo regularly, do you then "Clyde from Northants"? Thought not... Or are you just part of the BNP rent-a-mob that descends like flies on here when there's any mention of them on the web? For the record, I agree with Kim G (only partially, mind you!); I knew John Stanton when he was a teacher at my school - great guy. I personally find it disappointing that he's a BNP supporter, but if that's what he believes in, then that's up to him. Shame, but there you go. For the second time today (...reaches for the brandy...), I agree with evilc - extremist parties from the far left (SWP or whatever the flavour is these days) or far right (NF/BNP) just don't give a monkey's about normal people. All they are interested in is getting power to further their own blinkered narrow-minded cause they call "the truth" (pmsl...). Frank
Do you need to read the echo regularly to see the intimidation intended Plank?

I suspect you're one of the selfish ones that are as yet untouched by the wonders of cultural enrichment, so smugly look down on others not so fortunate.

I challenge you to visit the BNP website and (as you obviously haven't) and find ONE single official party opinion that you disagree with.. if you can trust yourself. Just one. And then post it on here.

John, says...
9:23pm Tue 6 May 08

Francis Grubb wrote:
<b>
Clyde wrote:
What the h*ll has the vicar's political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man's private affairs!
Read the Echo regularly, do you then "Clyde from Northants"? Thought not...

Or are you just part of the BNP rent-a-mob that descends like flies on here when there's any mention of them on the web?

For the record, I agree with Kim G (only partially, mind you!); I knew John Stanton when he was a teacher at my school - great guy.

I personally find it disappointing that he's a BNP supporter, but if that's what he believes in, then that's up to him. Shame, but there you go.

For the second time today (...reaches for the brandy...), I agree with evilc - extremist parties from the far left (SWP or whatever the flavour is these days) or far right (NF/BNP) just don't give a monkey's about normal people. All they are interested in is getting power to further their own blinkered narrow-minded cause they call "the truth" (pmsl...).


Frank
</b>
This is the internet Francis. Anti BNP articles get flagged up quite quickly and both left and right pile in and you yourself might be here for other reasons other than being local but let's not get into that routine eh?

Anyway Francis give us an example of truth. I'd like to hear a truth because it's something I don't believe I have heard for a long while now.

Francis Grubb, Westcliff says...
9:28pm Tue 6 May 08

James wrote:
I think I'll email this article to the police. Seems like blatant intimidation to me. You disgust me hounding a good 75 year old man like this, just because you don't agree with his political views. You are the "nazis" Echo. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Hounding? Intimidation? Disgust?

Oh how this terrible diatribe against Rev Stanton must hurt your oh-so-sensitive soul, you poor flower...

Now pull yourself together, wash your mouth out and say ten "Hail Mussolinis" for pretending to be an offended passer-by. Only then can you go & play with your mates down in Tilbury...

Frank

Francis Grubb, Westcliff says...
9:30pm Tue 6 May 08

Francis Grubb wrote:
Clyde wrote: What the h*ll has the vicar's political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man's private affairs!
Read the Echo regularly, do you then "Clyde from Northants"? Thought not... Or are you just part of the BNP rent-a-mob that descends like flies on here when there's any mention of them on the web? For the record, I agree with Kim G (only partially, mind you!); I knew John Stanton when he was a teacher at my school - great guy. I personally find it disappointing that he's a BNP supporter, but if that's what he believes in, then that's up to him. Shame, but there you go. For the second time today (...reaches for the brandy...), I agree with evilc - extremist parties from the far left (SWP or whatever the flavour is these days) or far right (NF/BNP) just don't give a monkey's about normal people. All they are interested in is getting power to further their own blinkered narrow-minded cause they call "the truth" (pmsl...). Frank
Been there, seen it, laughed a lot. Didn't bother with the t-shirt...

Frank

Horace Wimpole, Little Futtock says...
9:31pm Tue 6 May 08

The BNP and its supporters are just a bunch of mindless sad individuals. End of. They can't even acknowledge modern history. I suggest that both the commenters here, and the Echo at large, stop giving the freakshow so much press. We all know the BNP isn't actually going to get anywhere (amazing, a party even more divided than the tories or Labour!), so let's just leave the stupid tools to it in their wee echo chamber.

Extremists of all persuasions are depressing: it's the 21st century -- get a grip!

Francis Grubb, Westcliff says...
9:34pm Tue 6 May 08

John wrote:
Francis Grubb wrote: <b>
Clyde wrote: What the h*ll has the vicar\'s political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man\'s private affairs!
Read the Echo regularly, do you then \"Clyde from Northants\"? Thought not... Or are you just part of the BNP rent-a-mob that descends like flies on here when there\'s any mention of them on the web? For the record, I agree with Kim G (only partially, mind you!); I knew John Stanton when he was a teacher at my school - great guy. I personally find it disappointing that he\'s a BNP supporter, but if that\'s what he believes in, then that\'s up to him. Shame, but there you go. For the second time today (...reaches for the brandy...), I agree with evilc - extremist parties from the far left (SWP or whatever the flavour is these days) or far right (NF/BNP) just don\'t give a monkey\'s about normal people. All they are interested in is getting power to further their own blinkered narrow-minded cause they call \"the truth\" (pmsl...). Frank </b>
This is the internet Francis. Anti BNP articles get flagged up quite quickly and both left and right pile in and you yourself might be here for other reasons other than being local but let\'s not get into that routine eh? Anyway Francis give us an example of truth. I\'d like to hear a truth because it\'s something I don\'t believe I have heard for a long while now.
Nope only on here as a local with no ulterior motive - unlike most of the non-locals on this particular post!

Frank

The Vicar, Kamp Baschwitz says...
9:35pm Tue 6 May 08

How about this charming photo of BNP Founder, John Tyndall in his Sunday best...

http://www.hopenotha
te.org.uk/images/BNP
_JohnTyndall02.gif

Is that an example of truth?

Or google image John Tyndall Nazi for other charming pictures.

Other examples of truth are:

1. The earth is NOT flat.
2. The moon is NOT made of cheese.
3. Thunder is NOT God clapping.

Anyone else?

Anyway, everyone knows that all politicians are liars and out for themselves so what makes the BNP any different?

Herr Vicar Von Trumpton, Kamp KamberVikGreen says...
9:43pm Tue 6 May 08

John wrote:
Francis Grubb wrote: <b>
James wrote: I think I'll email this article to the police. Seems like blatant intimidation to me. You disgust me hounding a good 75 year old man like this, just because you don't agree with his political views. You are the "nazis" Echo. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Hounding? Intimidation? Disgust? Oh how this terrible diatribe against Rev Stanton must hurt your oh-so-sensitive soul, you poor flower... Now pull yourself together, wash your mouth out and say ten "Hail Mussolinis" for pretending to be an offended passer-by. Only then can you go &amp; play with your mates down in Tilbury... Frank</b>
Ok Frank so effectively hounding an old man means nothing to you, so what's your problem with those that come from out of the area hounding you? eh you big baby?
We could ask the same of you, John (your name is spelt with a capital letter by the way).

What possible motive could the BNP rent-a-mob have for descending en masse to a local rag that is simply doing its job and publishing a story in the public interest? Men (and chicks) of the Church should really view all men (and chicks) as equal. That includes those dark-skinned types as well.

Rev Stanton's political views change like the wind. Lib-Dem, Tory. Now BNP.

He might go completely crazy next time and join the English Democrats (that's meant in jest, Kim) :p

john, says...
9:43pm Tue 6 May 08

The Vicar wrote:
<b> How about this charming photo of BNP Founder, John Tyndall in his Sunday best...

http://www.hopenotha
te.org.uk/images/BNP
_JohnTyndall02.gif

Is that an example of truth?

Or google image John Tyndall Nazi for other charming pictures.

Other examples of truth are:

1. The earth is NOT flat.
2. The moon is NOT made of cheese.
3. Thunder is NOT God clapping.

Anyone else?

Anyway, everyone knows that all politicians are liars and out for themselves so what makes the BNP any different?</b>
No that you've stated the obvious why don't you give the BNP some slack? After all it's the only truth you do not know.

Francis Grubb, Westcliff says...
9:50pm Tue 6 May 08

John wrote:
Francis Grubb wrote: <b>
James wrote: I think I'll email this article to the police. Seems like blatant intimidation to me. You disgust me hounding a good 75 year old man like this, just because you don't agree with his political views. You are the "nazis" Echo. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Hounding? Intimidation? Disgust? Oh how this terrible diatribe against Rev Stanton must hurt your oh-so-sensitive soul, you poor flower... Now pull yourself together, wash your mouth out and say ten "Hail Mussolinis" for pretending to be an offended passer-by. Only then can you go &amp; play with your mates down in Tilbury... Frank</b>
Ok Frank so effectively hounding an old man means nothing to you, so what's your problem with those that come from out of the area hounding you? eh you big baby?
"You big baby" Ho, ho, and which playground are you playfully gambolling out from then?

The eloquence of the BNP just marches from strength to strength, doesn't it?

Good night John, good night and good luck. Sigh...

Frank

Baron Von Vicar, Kamp KrustyVeeKlown says...
9:52pm Tue 6 May 08

john wrote:
The Vicar wrote: <b> How about this charming photo of BNP Founder, John Tyndall in his Sunday best... http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/images/BNP _JohnTyndall02.gif Is that an example of truth? Or google image John Tyndall Nazi for other charming pictures. Other examples of truth are: 1. The earth is NOT flat. 2. The moon is NOT made of cheese. 3. Thunder is NOT God clapping. Anyone else? Anyway, everyone knows that all politicians are liars and out for themselves so what makes the BNP any different?</b>
No that you've stated the obvious why don't you give the BNP some slack? After all it's the only truth you do not know.
I doubt that very much.

Political parties skew "the truth" to suit their needs. They all do it and the BNP are no different. Far right, far left - they all do it.

In all seriousness, the BNP will never lose its Nazi tag. It just won't. Pictures of its founder in Nazi regalia just doesn't seem very "patriotic" to me. A few years previous and he would have been hung as a traitor wouldn't he? Not as the saviour of Britain.

At the end of the day people can vote for who they like and have allegiance to whatever party they like. I'm not left or right - I think most political parties are horrendous. I like the independent candidate myself but nowadays they have little chance.

It's not for me to cut the BNP some slack. They are the ones who have to prove themselves.

I just don't think they are doing a very good job of promoting themselves. The kind of people they use to promote themselves are often the kind of person who you wouldn't want as a neighbour - let's politely say.

Heike, London says...
9:56pm Tue 6 May 08

victim of the nazis wrote:
first they came for the jews, and i did not speak out because i was not a jew. then they came for the communists, and i did not speak out because i was not a communist. then they came for the trades unionists, and i did not speak out as i was not a trades unionist. then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me. Pastor Neimuller, victim of the Nazis.
Yes, but there are plenty of us to speak for the BNP and if they are silenced and persecuted we will come put for them, whatever the consequences. It's Pastor Niemoeller, by the way.

john, says...
9:57pm Tue 6 May 08

Herr Vicar Von Trumpton wrote:
<b>
John wrote:
Francis Grubb wrote: &lt;b&gt;
James wrote: I think I'll email this article to the police. Seems like blatant intimidation to me. You disgust me hounding a good 75 year old man like this, just because you don't agree with his political views. You are the "nazis" Echo. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Hounding? Intimidation? Disgust? Oh how this terrible diatribe against Rev Stanton must hurt your oh-so-sensitive soul, you poor flower... Now pull yourself together, wash your mouth out and say ten "Hail Mussolinis" for pretending to be an offended passer-by. Only then can you go &amp;amp; play with your mates down in Tilbury... Frank&lt;/b&gt;
Ok Frank so effectively hounding an old man means nothing to you, so what's your problem with those that come from out of the area hounding you? eh you big baby?
We could ask the same of you, John (your name is spelt with a capital letter by the way).

What possible motive could the BNP rent-a-mob have for descending en masse to a local rag that is simply doing its job and publishing a story in the public interest? Men (and chicks) of the Church should really view all men (and chicks) as equal. That includes those dark-skinned types as well.

Rev Stanton's political views change like the wind. Lib-Dem, Tory. Now BNP.

He might go completely crazy next time and join the English Democrats (that's meant in jest, Kim) :p</b>
I should get used to typos it detracts from the arguement.

And I don't blame him for feeling confused because in his day and life I bet he can remember when most political parties had very differenet views.

ron, Basildon says...
9:57pm Tue 6 May 08

I just don't think they are doing a very good job of promoting themselves.
How can you say such a thing? Why, just look at the awesome talent the BNP have collected in these very comments -- John, Claudia et al!

ron, basildon says...
10:02pm Tue 6 May 08

Read the recent election results Frank and get used to it.
Aye, 7000 votes and one councillor in that sh1thole we call Tilbury. Woo, you go!

Herr Vicar Flik, Kamp KinderZerprize says...
10:04pm Tue 6 May 08

ron wrote:
I just don't think they are doing a very good job of promoting themselves.
How can you say such a thing? Why, just look at the awesome talent the BNP have collected in these very comments -- John, Claudia et al!
You'd think that such outspoken champions of Britain would know how to use its most common language, English.

Some of it reads as if it's been translated from another language.

German perhaps? Or Urdu? Tee Hee ;)

John, says...
10:05pm Tue 6 May 08

Baron Von Vicar wrote:
<b>
john wrote:
The Vicar wrote: &lt;b&gt; How about this charming photo of BNP Founder, John Tyndall in his Sunday best... http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/images/BNP _JohnTyndall02.gif Is that an example of truth? Or google image John Tyndall Nazi for other charming pictures. Other examples of truth are: 1. The earth is NOT flat. 2. The moon is NOT made of cheese. 3. Thunder is NOT God clapping. Anyone else? Anyway, everyone knows that all politicians are liars and out for themselves so what makes the BNP any different?&lt;/b&gt;
No that you've stated the obvious why don't you give the BNP some slack? After all it's the only truth you do not know.
I doubt that very much.

Political parties skew "the truth" to suit their needs. They all do it and the BNP are no different. Far right, far left - they all do it.

In all seriousness, the BNP will never lose its Nazi tag. It just won't. Pictures of its founder in Nazi regalia just doesn't seem very "patriotic" to me. A few years previous and he would have been hung as a traitor wouldn't he? Not as the saviour of Britain.

At the end of the day people can vote for who they like and have allegiance to whatever party they like. I'm not left or right - I think most political parties are horrendous. I like the independent candidate myself but nowadays they have little chance.

It's not for me to cut the BNP some slack. They are the ones who have to prove themselves.

I just don't think they are doing a very good job of promoting themselves. The kind of people they use to promote themselves are often the kind of person who you wouldn't want as a neighbour - let's politely say.</b>
Wrong mate the Nazis are the ones who want a unified Europe after all it was they who concieved the idea. The BNP want no part of this.

Vicar Von Trapp, Kamp Kristalvake says...
10:10pm Tue 6 May 08

John wrote:
Baron Von Vicar wrote: <b>
john wrote:
The Vicar wrote: &amp;lt;b&amp;gt; How about this charming photo of BNP Founder, John Tyndall in his Sunday best... http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/images/BNP _JohnTyndall02.gif Is that an example of truth? Or google image John Tyndall Nazi for other charming pictures. Other examples of truth are: 1. The earth is NOT flat. 2. The moon is NOT made of cheese. 3. Thunder is NOT God clapping. Anyone else? Anyway, everyone knows that all politicians are liars and out for themselves so what makes the BNP any different?&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;
No that you've stated the obvious why don't you give the BNP some slack? After all it's the only truth you do not know.
I doubt that very much. Political parties skew "the truth" to suit their needs. They all do it and the BNP are no different. Far right, far left - they all do it. In all seriousness, the BNP will never lose its Nazi tag. It just won't. Pictures of its founder in Nazi regalia just doesn't seem very "patriotic" to me. A few years previous and he would have been hung as a traitor wouldn't he? Not as the saviour of Britain. At the end of the day people can vote for who they like and have allegiance to whatever party they like. I'm not left or right - I think most political parties are horrendous. I like the independent candidate myself but nowadays they have little chance. It's not for me to cut the BNP some slack. They are the ones who have to prove themselves. I just don't think they are doing a very good job of promoting themselves. The kind of people they use to promote themselves are often the kind of person who you wouldn't want as a neighbour - let's politely say.</b>
Wrong mate the Nazis are the ones who want a unified Europe after all it was they who concieved the idea. The BNP want no part of this.
Nazis like the BNP founder, John Tyndall? Isn't that a contradiction? Unified through co-operation or unified through invasion?

Please explain how Britain can become "great" again once its completely ostracised from the rest of the world? How will we trade with other countries?

John, says...
10:20pm Tue 6 May 08

Bet this thread gets taken off

rob atkins, leigh says...
10:30pm Tue 6 May 08

"The BNP obviously hasn't got a place in Rochford." ,
now thats typical and total rubbish you'd expect from a consumptive ...oops conservative,
It's as clear as the nose on your face they are a growing party the reason the 3 others don't want them around is because they threaten to tell the truth about the gravy train the main 3 ride and they wont want there nice little earner stopping,
and besides it means they might have to go get a job ,
if you read there website you'll realise that they are probably the democratic party of the lot,
and we'd get referendums and the people would get a say and the main 3 can't handle that.

Mark, Southend says...
10:31pm Tue 6 May 08

People vote BNP because they're fed up with lying politicians who have their snouts in the trough most of the time. They feel aggreived that no one listens - erm human rights act? All those against the BNP count how many murderers, paedo's and terrorists are let out of prison early. Look at the travellers taking the p out of the local communities. And you wonder - YOU WONDER why people vote BNP. FREE COUNTRY remember - the vicar can do what he likes. I know you liberals would like to see Englandistan but then see if you get free speech!

ron, basildon says...
10:32pm Tue 6 May 08

*snore*

Same old empty rhetoric. Just like all the rest.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Local Boy, Hawkwell says...
11:00pm Tue 6 May 08

Nice to see Kim supporting the BNP supporter, true colours?

Yet again all and sundry from around the country seem to be running to this Vicar's defence. Intersteing that not too many local people, such as me, are?

benjani, Southend says...
11:10pm Tue 6 May 08

rob atkins might have a point after reading this article in the Daily Express.MPs are laughing their way to the bank,MPs are secretly plotting to award themselves a pay rise of up to £15,000 a year, it was revealed last night.It would give backbenchers a stunning 25 per cent increase, taking their salaries to more than £75,000.The lavish rise would come on top of the already soaring figure for perks and expenses at Westminster. Millions of households struggling with a tide of spiralling bills will be appalled, with the news coming just a day after the Prime Minister claimed to be “feeling the hurt” of hard-pressed families.

ron, Basildon says...
6:31am Wed 7 May 08

I'm not one to support labour, don't get me wrong, but if people like benjani read the Express and take what it says at face value, then no wonder the BNP is making some small inroads amongst the more cranially-challenged and credulous voters.

Essex Girl, Southend on Sea says...
7:00am Wed 7 May 08

KARL JONES wrote:
In this country we have a right of privacy. The constant harassment of this man of principle is disgusting. The BNP is a lgitimate political party. If you do not like free speech and a pluralistic democracy then leave this country clear off to Iran or North Korea. Liberal fascists make me sick.
Poke your nose out of our local forum.

John, says...
7:19am Wed 7 May 08

"Nazis like the BNP founder, John Tyndall? Isn't that a contradiction? Unified through co-operation or unified through invasion?"

A lot of ministers over recent years started out their political careers as members of the communist party.

Cooperation??? When was the last time we as a people had any vote/referendum on the subject of Europe? Early seventies wasn't it? So much for cooperation eh?


"Please explain how Britain can become "great" again once its completely ostracised from the rest of the world?

How will we trade with other countries?"

I never suggesed that Britain should become Great again, it still is in my eyes.

And as for being ostracised and not being able to trade. Dream on.

Britain was trading with the rest of the world long before the EU came along. We also import more from the other EU countries than we export.

It is them that need us rather than we need them.

Rebecca, Suffolk says...
8:42am Wed 7 May 08

If anyone feels like emailing the "journalist" that wrote this piece of garbage, and thinks intimidating a good 75 year old man is ok because he doesn't agree with his politics.. drop "Alex" a line and see how he/she likes it: alex.mcnally@nqe.com


Major Huffington-Blythe, The Puffery says...
8:49am Wed 7 May 08

Rebecca wrote:
If anyone feels like emailing the "journalist" that wrote this piece of garbage, and thinks intimidating a good 75 year old man is ok because he doesn't agree with his politics.. drop "Alex" a line and see how he/she likes it: alex.mcnally@nqe.com

Now little lady, if you think this piece constitutes intimidation, you're too much of a delicate little flower to participate in bruising party politics petal.

I suggest embroidery.

Rebecca, Suffolk says...
9:00am Wed 7 May 08

It wouldn't bother me, but I'm concerned for people like the Vicar. People like yourself really do come across as evil. You're the sort of trash that used to scream "racist" at anyone who disagreed with your extreme left wing views I suspect. Doesn't work so well now does it bully boy.

Major Huffington-Blythe, The Puffery says...
9:06am Wed 7 May 08

Doesn't work so well now does it bully boy.
What makes you say that poppet? What doesn't work?

And why, my dear sweet dullard, do you think I am "evil" or "extreme left wing"? I think we're getting a teensy bit confused aren't we petal? Never mind.

Old Jim, Rochford says...
9:34am Wed 7 May 08

It would seem to me that the Rev. Stanton is only interested in having power and controlling people, changing his views and opinions to suit his own needs and ego. I see Kim Gandy was on here earlier giving him a jolly good @rse licking as she is no different. They both aspire to control and dominate people but when things go wrong they will turn tail and run away to save their own backsides. What a sorry pair indeed.

Aamir, London says...
9:45am Wed 7 May 08

Joshua wrote:
Judging by the disgusting displays of attempted intimidation in the comments on this website it doesn\'t surprise me that Rev John Stanton had a hard time sticking to his support of the BNP. I find it horrifying that pro-immigration activists here would resort so quickly to raising the nightmares of the Holocaust to try to forcibly shut-down any political party or group that tries to stop mass immigration. The truth is that the BNP is trying to prevent the destruction of their own people in the face of modern colonism, they are not Nazis and I do not believe they would ever harm anyone else. Unlike Labour who chose to help invade Iraq.
And what's wrong with that? the Not-So-Great british did that with more than half of the world and to the Great India. Also left it with a scar of partition?

You reap what you sow.

Margaret Stoll, Rochford says...
11:27am Wed 7 May 08

Old Jim wrote:
It would seem to me that the Rev. Stanton is only interested in having power and controlling people, changing his views and opinions to suit his own needs and ego. I see Kim Gandy was on here earlier giving him a jolly good @rse licking as she is no different. They both aspire to control and dominate people but when things go wrong they will turn tail and run away to save their own backsides. What a sorry pair indeed.
And I suppose you include me in this, although you didn't say so. I wrote earlier that I've known John Stanton for years, he lives in the next street, and I've always found him to be a thoroughly good guy.

I am an English Democrat because I think that England has been less than well-served over recent years by her politicians, most of whom we voted for with great hope and aspirations. Things that have happened over the last 10 years, too numerous to mention, have changed my views. The main parties are just too darned complacent. They know that many people are totally disenchanted with politicians and the political process - a 'plague on all 3 of your houses', as Mercutio might have said - and they stay at home. They think they can't effect any change, they become apathetic and totally switched-off.

I do not 'aspire to control and to dominate' anybody. Never have and never will. I do, however, feel that it is full time for people to stand up and be counted. A bit like the Chartists did back in the 1840s. And the martyrs of Peterloo.

People's opinions do change over time. God help me, I voted Labour in May 1997, I cheered at that huge landslide and I thought that things really were going to 'get better'. Over the last few weeks/months, Brown might have had a General Election but bottled it. He promised us a referendum on the EU Treaty but bottled that. He has let down the very poorest by the 10p tax fiasco. It's full time for some of us to say what we think. Old Jim, just put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Old Jim, Garden Shed says...
2:39pm Wed 7 May 08

Dear Mrs Stoll, I don’t put you in the same boat. I like reading what you write on here and I get the feeling that you genuinely care about things. But I’m afraid the other two have blown it for me. I’m sure the Reverend is a very nice man. But don’t be swayed by his nice smile and invites for cups of tea on sunny afternoons otherwise you may start seeing things through his Himmler tinted glasses.

Mike, Dagenham says...
3:31pm Wed 7 May 08

Old Jim wrote:
Dear Mrs Stoll, I don’t put you in the same boat. I like reading what you write on here and I get the feeling that you genuinely care about things. But I’m afraid the other two have blown it for me. I’m sure the Reverend is a very nice man. But don’t be swayed by his nice smile and invites for cups of tea on sunny afternoons otherwise you may start seeing things through his Himmler tinted glasses.
You really are a cretin old jim. You should be up at County Hall with your screaming friends, shouting abuse at everyone because they can't handle the fact that 130,000 people voted (you know.. democratically elected) Richard Barnbrook onto the GLA. Why don't you and your deluded immature friends go and get a job with Mugabe? He probably pays a lot better than the Labour party. You and your brainwashed chums on here are the real nazi scum sunshine. Like Barnbrook said, if the mainstream politicians had done their job properly there wouldn't even be a BNP thicko.
(Btw, it was probably closer to half a million votes but 400,000 mysteriously couldn't be allowed).

Major Huffington-Blythe, The Puffery says...
3:39pm Wed 7 May 08

ou really are a cretin old jim
I say, that's not cricket! There he is pottering in his garden shed, and you, you young whippersnapper, you bring your Dagenham talk around these gentle parts.

You are a scoundrel sir, be off with you and take your nonsense with you!

General Vicar Cranberry-Tintin, Cranberry-Tintin Manor says...
4:04pm Wed 7 May 08

Major Huffington-Blythe wrote:
ou really are a cretin old jim
I say, that's not cricket! There he is pottering in his garden shed, and you, you young whippersnapper, you bring your Dagenham talk around these gentle parts. You are a scoundrel sir, be off with you and take your nonsense with you!
Major, I couldn't agree more.

I warned my old slavery partner, Woofington Griffin, that this kind of filthy backchat would happen from the lower classes if they were to get the vote.

His kind and their filthy Tilbury language have no place in polite society.

James, Guildford says...
4:10pm Wed 7 May 08

General Vicar Cranberry-Tintin wrote:
Major Huffington-Blythe wrote:
ou really are a cretin old jim
I say, that\'s not cricket! There he is pottering in his garden shed, and you, you young whippersnapper, you bring your Dagenham talk around these gentle parts. You are a scoundrel sir, be off with you and take your nonsense with you!
Major, I couldn\'t agree more. I warned my old slavery partner, Woofington Griffin, that this kind of filthy backchat would happen from the lower classes if they were to get the vote. His kind and their filthy Tilbury language have no place in polite society.
Got nothing better to do than talk to yourself idiot? (when you're not hounding a decent 75 year old man that is). Don't procreate nob head.

Woofington Griffin, Upper Ponsonby says...
4:14pm Wed 7 May 08

What ho!

You BNP fellows have me lost with one assertion thusly:
if the mainstream politicians had done their job properly there wouldn't even be a BNP thicko


I would respectfully suggest that young Michael is in error: there isn't a single "BNP thicko", but more a multitude, many of which have seen fit to sully the pages of this august publication with their raffish ways and intemperate discursive "skills". In this regard therefore, the mainstream politicos have performed admirably, what!

Pip pip.

Major Huffington-Blythe, The Puffery says...
4:18pm Wed 7 May 08

Got nothing better to do than talk to yourself idiot? (when you're not hounding a decent 75 year old man that is). Don't procreate nob head.
The Vicar-General is a chum of mine yes old bean, but we are not one and the same I'm afraid.

As for procreating with "nobheads" or "hounding" septuagenarian, you've lost me my young winkle.

(You seem very cross by the way. I suggest a soothing balm and a jolly wrestle with your man-servant).

Sir Vicar Chorlton-Dangermouse, Rorke's Drift says...
4:28pm Wed 7 May 08

Calm yourself, Woofington. These blackhearted fellows are unworthy of your vented spleen!

How dare they talk out of turn in the pages of this most reputable of all newsheets. Their sheer audacity in loosening their working-class tongues and letting forth such vile Tilbury and Dagenham utterances fills my very Christian soul with eldritch dread!

Why I should thrust my sword of social status into their dark hearts were they to have one, the filthy blaggards!

Show them your utmost contempt, Woofington, by replying in a manner most British!

Cheeky Monkey, Up a Tree says...
4:46pm Wed 7 May 08

Major Huffington-Blythe wrote:
Got nothing better to do than talk to yourself idiot? (when you're not hounding a decent 75 year old man that is). Don't procreate nob head.
The Vicar-General is a chum of mine yes old bean, but we are not one and the same I'm afraid. As for procreating with "nobheads" or "hounding" septuagenarian, you've lost me my young winkle. (You seem very cross by the way. I suggest a soothing balm and a jolly wrestle with your man-servant).
He is also ageist. I think in the 21st C we should have the right to hound who we like. huzzah

Shipla Shetty, says...
9:54pm Wed 7 May 08

please now chaps us indians must now pity the white man,, after all we develop the nuclear bomb against Pakistan and a space project and yet we have a begging bowl ready for British taxpayers.

Khalid, London says...
10:55pm Wed 7 May 08

Shilpa you're spot-on. I tell you what, they should divide the union, make seperate countries of the UK (Scottish and Irish dont like English and eachother). Also make London and suburbs another country with mass migrants population to become a strong independent and prosperous country. That's what they did to the REAL GREAT INDIA, isn't it?
Divide it into pieces in the name of differences in religion/culture/etc

. (although 60+ years on there are so many similarities in Indians, Pakistanis and Bengalis).

John, says...
12:21pm Thu 8 May 08

Caste system.

Horace Wimpole, Little Futtock says...
3:58pm Thu 8 May 08

Got nothing better to do than talk to yourself idiot? (when you're not hounding a decent 75 year old man that is). Don't procreate nob head.

James of Guildford: I would suggest that it is you who should never procreate. Your comment comes across as one from an especially obnoxious, humourless twunt.

As for John, I think he's lost it now.

jane, Leigh says...
4:28pm Thu 8 May 08

As for John, I think he's lost it now.
He never "had it" did he?

Joshua, says...
12:41am Fri 9 May 08

And what's wrong with that? the Not-So-Great british did that with more than half of the world and to the Great India. Also left it with a scar of partition?

You reap what you sow.


Oh I see Aamir. You regard what is going on now as a revenge of some sort for British colonialism. I wonder if you think the peoples who have been victimised by Muslim colonialism and slavery in North Africa, "Turkey" and elsewhere should also get revenge. After all by your logic the Palestinians deserve what is happening to them now because of what their ancestors did conquering the region in the first place.

John, says...
8:35pm Fri 9 May 08

Joshua wrote:
<b>
And what's wrong with that? the Not-So-Great british did that with more than half of the world and to the Great India. Also left it with a scar of partition?

You reap what you sow.


Oh I see Aamir. You regard what is going on now as a revenge of some sort for British colonialism. I wonder if you think the peoples who have been victimised by Muslim colonialism and slavery in North Africa, "Turkey" and elsewhere should also get revenge. After all by your logic the Palestinians deserve what is happening to them now because of what their ancestors did conquering the region in the first place.</b>
Indeed Joshua I bet Aamir doesn't view Ghandi as a racist.

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