Sharron wrote:
Isn't it time the Council stopped wasting money on lawyers and started spending it on its obligations to provide proper sites for travellers?

Sharron wrote:
Isn't it time the Council stopped wasting money on lawyers and started spending it on its obligations to provide proper sites for travellers?

ron wrote:

Sharron wrote: Isn\'t it time the Council stopped wasting money on lawyers and started spending it on its obligations to provide proper sites for travellers?

Why do councils have obligations to travellers? The judge talks about councis having a responsibility to their homeless in their domain (fair enough, to some extent), but the Crays Hill travellers are intentionally \"homeless\", and despite having disposable income do not pay council tax etc. The whole issue, regardless of party politics, seems quite straightforward to me. But hey, what do I know...

Luke wrote:
This is a sad day for democracy. A democratically elected Council is told an unaccountable Judge who is out of touch with reality that the Law doesn’t apply to a certain group of individuals. As for Sarah\'s comments, In the Labour Party there is an in built bias towards the travellers. In the Conservatives there is an in built bias towards up holding the Law

ShipShape wrote:
<b> \"the law will not tolerate developments without planning permission being obtained\"

The law seems pretty tolerant up to now.

Anyway, I\'ve got my eye set on a plot of land, I\'ll be moving there soon.

If anyone can prove they\'ve got Viking blood, they can move on it with me, we\'ll have all the back up of the Anti-Discrimination Industry.

Maybe we\'ll get the lovely James Dasinger to come and set the long boat on fire, before we all go back to the £12000 Long house for some quaffing ale, singing songs about Wodin and looking forwards to a bit of a laugh in Valhalla.



Ridiculous? Only as much as this whole debacle is..</b>

Margaret Stoll wrote:

ShipShape wrote: <b> \"the law will not tolerate developments without planning permission being obtained\" The law seems pretty tolerant up to now. Anyway, I\'ve got my eye set on a plot of land, I\'ll be moving there soon. If anyone can prove they\'ve got Viking blood, they can move on it with me, we\'ll have all the back up of the Anti-Discrimination Industry. Maybe we\'ll get the lovely James Dasinger to come and set the long boat on fire, before we all go back to the £12000 Long house for some quaffing ale, singing songs about Wodin and looking forwards to a bit of a laugh in Valhalla. Ridiculous? Only as much as this whole debacle is..</b>

Hello ShipShape Whilst it's pretty difficult to prove Viking blood, it's known that anyone from Yorkshire is likely to have some, because of the long time that Vikings were settled there. So yes, I think I would be eligible to join you! Tacitus wrote in 'Germania' that any of the Germanic peoples (Angles, Saxons, Jutes, what became English and Scandinavians) don't like living close to each other. They like a bit of space in between their settlements. Living cheek-by-jowl, one caravan parked next to another, would not suit us. Me, I'd love a piece of woodland, with a log-cabin among the trees. I'd be able to lie in bed and listen to the dawn chorus.

Nigel wrote:
This shows how politicised the judiciary has become. The left wing is so totally established within the fabric of society that it will take the incoming Conservative government a long time to root it out. Only then can we begin to move forward.

Bitta wrote:
Nigel, if you think it'll will be any different if/when the conservatives are in power then you are sadly mistaken. Nothing will change, we are the dumping ground and laughing stock of Europe.

Margaret Stoll wrote:

ShipShape wrote: <b> \"the law will not tolerate developments without planning permission being obtained\" The law seems pretty tolerant up to now. Anyway, I\'ve got my eye set on a plot of land, I\'ll be moving there soon. If anyone can prove they\'ve got Viking blood, they can move on it with me, we\'ll have all the back up of the Anti-Discrimination Industry. Maybe we\'ll get the lovely James Dasinger to come and set the long boat on fire, before we all go back to the £12000 Long house for some quaffing ale, singing songs about Wodin and looking forwards to a bit of a laugh in Valhalla. Ridiculous? Only as much as this whole debacle is..</b>

Hello ShipShape Whilst it's pretty difficult to prove Viking blood, it's known that anyone from Yorkshire is likely to have some, because of the long time that Vikings were settled there. So yes, I think I would be eligible to join you! Tacitus wrote in 'Germania' that any of the Germanic peoples (Angles, Saxons, Jutes, what became English and Scandinavians) don't like living close to each other. They like a bit of space in between their settlements. Living cheek-by-jowl, one caravan parked next to another, would not suit us. Me, I'd love a piece of woodland, with a log-cabin among the trees. I'd be able to lie in bed and listen to the dawn chorus.

Sherry wrote:
Actually i'm now furious, i'm doing it all wrong, i'm working every hour i can, commuting up to London because a job here wouldn't pay my mortgage. I declare everything i earn, no cash in hand jobs, i pay for everything, full whack. I get no help from anyone, all the courses i went on I HAD TO PAY FOR, no little community centre for me to learn in. I might as well sell up, get a caravan and stick it in some field off the 127, let's see how long i will last before i get chucked off.

Sharon wrote:
I agree with Sherry!!! How long do you think we would last in a field!!!! Maybe all of us that pay our council tax should all stick together & boycott it until they realise just how much we pay & what we don\'t get in return! Why do the travellers not have to pay council tax. Most of them are living in brick built homes after all!!! And with no planning or building permission!! This law drives me mad!

Partyboy wrote:

Sharon wrote: I agree with Sherry!!! How long do you think we would last in a field!!!! Maybe all of us that pay our council tax should all stick together & boycott it until they realise just how much we pay & what we don\\\'t get in return! Why do the travellers not have to pay council tax. Most of them are living in brick built homes after all!!! And with no planning or building permission!! This law drives me mad!

Yeah!!! Everytime me n my homies rock up to a disused barn for a rave the ol\' bill waste no time in kicking us off! Maybe if we took some caravans and Dags they would steer clear...?

rochford resident wrote:

Partyboy wrote:

Sharon wrote: I agree with Sherry!!! How long do you think we would last in a field!!!! Maybe all of us that pay our council tax should all stick together & boycott it until they realise just how much we pay & what we don\\\'t get in return! Why do the travellers not have to pay council tax. Most of them are living in brick built homes after all!!! And with no planning or building permission!! This law drives me mad!

Yeah!!! Everytime me n my homies rock up to a disused barn for a rave the ol\' bill waste no time in kicking us off! Maybe if we took some caravans and Dags they would steer clear...?

you never said a truer word. This is why I joined the English Democrats. It represents people like you and me, the true English. Join up - you could make a difference!

Partyboy wrote:
Maybe the \'people\' should take matters into their own hands? Tell them there is free Guiness over at Bas Vegas and while they are away move them ourselves??? :) Im sure hundreds would turn up to help!

wellblowme wrote:

Partyboy wrote: Maybe the \'people\' should take matters into their own hands? Tell them there is free Guiness over at Bas Vegas and while they are away move them ourselves??? :) Im sure hundreds would turn up to help!

Do you have any firearms? or Dags?

Margaret Stoll wrote:
<b>

ShipShape wrote:
<b> \"the law will not tolerate developments without planning permission being obtained\"

The law seems pretty tolerant up to now.

Anyway, I\'ve got my eye set on a plot of land, I\'ll be moving there soon.

If anyone can prove they\'ve got Viking blood, they can move on it with me, we\'ll have all the back up of the Anti-Discrimination Industry.

Maybe we\'ll get the lovely James Dasinger to come and set the long boat on fire, before we all go back to the £12000 Long house for some quaffing ale, singing songs about Wodin and looking forwards to a bit of a laugh in Valhalla.



Ridiculous? Only as much as this whole debacle is..</b>

Hello ShipShape

Whilst it's pretty difficult to prove Viking blood, it's known that anyone from Yorkshire is likely to have some, because of the long time that Vikings were settled there.

So yes, I think I would be eligible to join you!

Tacitus wrote in 'Germania' that any of the Germanic peoples (Angles, Saxons, Jutes, what became English and Scandinavians) don't like living close to each other. They like a bit of space in between their settlements. Living cheek-by-jowl, one caravan parked next to another, would not suit us.

Me, I'd love a piece of woodland, with a log-cabin among the trees. I'd be able to lie in bed and listen to the dawn chorus.</b>

ron wrote:
Tempting as it might be, you can't blame Labour for absolutely everything here. This was a judgement delivered by a judge, not a politician. As for Basildon Council, that is not Labour either. Please let's not descend into party politics here; the traveller situation goes deeper than that. I think the more rabid right-wingers who pop up on the Echo would be (no doubt grudgingly) surprised to know how many "lefties" are in agreement with the basic sentiment on issues like this.

Partyboy wrote:

wellblowme wrote:

Partyboy wrote: Maybe the \'people\' should take matters into their own hands? Tell them there is free Guiness over at Bas Vegas and while they are away move them ourselves??? :) Im sure hundreds would turn up to help!

Do you have any firearms? or Dags?

Just take a couple of cans of fabreeze down there... That'll scare the sh*t outta them!

Local Boy wrote:
<b>

Margaret Stoll wrote:
<b>

ShipShape wrote:
&lt;b&gt; \"the law will not tolerate developments without planning permission being obtained\"

The law seems pretty tolerant up to now.

Anyway, I\'ve got my eye set on a plot of land, I\'ll be moving there soon.

If anyone can prove they\'ve got Viking blood, they can move on it with me, we\'ll have all the back up of the Anti-Discrimination Industry.

Maybe we\'ll get the lovely James Dasinger to come and set the long boat on fire, before we all go back to the £12000 Long house for some quaffing ale, singing songs about Wodin and looking forwards to a bit of a laugh in Valhalla.



Ridiculous? Only as much as this whole debacle is..&lt;/b&gt;

Hello ShipShape

Whilst it's pretty difficult to prove Viking blood, it's known that anyone from Yorkshire is likely to have some, because of the long time that Vikings were settled there.

So yes, I think I would be eligible to join you!

Tacitus wrote in 'Germania' that any of the Germanic peoples (Angles, Saxons, Jutes, what became English and Scandinavians) don't like living close to each other. They like a bit of space in between their settlements. Living cheek-by-jowl, one caravan parked next to another, would not suit us.

Me, I'd love a piece of woodland, with a log-cabin among the trees. I'd be able to lie in bed and listen to the dawn chorus.</b>

S**t! What do I do, my ancestry is Viking, Angle and Norman, does the Norman bit exclude me from joining you?

Or will I be all right as County Durham is further North than those Yorkshire southern bumpkins?</b>

Margaret Stoll wrote:
Be careful. You'll be told it's 'silly ramblings' and it's not about you, you, you.

wellblowme wrote:
I smell a trol!

Lisa Jensen wrote:
Well, I have to say I did expect this outpouring of hatred when I heard this on the news today. What is the problem? Many settled people break the law every day, parking somewhere they shouldn't, claiming something on the tax bill and many other ways. Face it, these people don't want to travel anymore, they want a more settled way of life and they like everyone else are entitled to that. Now, I shall just sit here and wait for the outpouring of hatred against me and before anyone says it, I am not condoning the illegal aspects that they may have in the lifestyle they lead, I am merely sticking up for the fact that they are human and as such have rights and one of those rights is somewhere to live! Oh and they do pay council tax

Lisa Jensen wrote:
Well, I have to say I did expect this outpouring of hatred when I heard this on the news today.
What is the problem? Many settled people break the law every day, parking somewhere they shouldn't, claiming something on the tax bill and many other ways. Face it, these people don't want to travel anymore, they want a more settled way of life and they like everyone else are entitled to that.
Now, I shall just sit here and wait for the outpouring of hatred against me and before anyone says it, I am not condoning the illegal aspects that they may have in the lifestyle they lead, I am merely sticking up for the fact that they are human and as such have rights and one of those rights is somewhere to live! Oh and they do pay council tax

Lisa Jensen wrote:
Well, I have to say I did expect this outpouring of hatred when I heard this on the news today. What is the problem? Many settled people break the law every day, parking somewhere they shouldn't, claiming something on the tax bill and many other ways. Face it, these people don't want to travel anymore, they want a more settled way of life and they like everyone else are entitled to that. Now, I shall just sit here and wait for the outpouring of hatred against me and before anyone says it, I am not condoning the illegal aspects that they may have in the lifestyle they lead, I am merely sticking up for the fact that they are human and as such have rights and one of those rights is somewhere to live! Oh and they do pay council tax

Lisa Jensen...I am merely sticking up for the fact that they are human and as such have rights

Kathy wrote:
Lisa Jensen Brave brave lady - God's blessings on you always

Vernon wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote: Well, I have to say I did expect this outpouring of hatred when I heard this on the news today. What is the problem? Many settled people break the law every day, parking somewhere they shouldn't, claiming something on the tax bill and many other ways. Face it, these people don't want to travel anymore, they want a more settled way of life and they like everyone else are entitled to that. Now, I shall just sit here and wait for the outpouring of hatred against me and before anyone says it, I am not condoning the illegal aspects that they may have in the lifestyle they lead, I am merely sticking up for the fact that they are human and as such have rights and one of those rights is somewhere to live! Oh and they do pay council tax

Lisa, if these people don't want to travel no more, then they have forfeited their 'Gypsy and Traveller' rights have'nt they? If they are no longer travellers why can't they do as other people do and buy or rent a property?The reason I'd guess, is that to live in large groups in a no go area,is an efficient way of keeping out the prying eyes of the Benefits agency and the Taxman. Frankly anyone who truly believes the women on the site who claim to be single mothers and claiming benefits are entirely as they claim, is misguided.This sort of benefit fraud goes on all over, whether it's Tracy from Vange who gets JSA but has'nt told the Job centre that the bloke she met at Bas Vegas two months ago is still in her house, to people claiming single resident council tax discount when they have another living with them.But can you not see that the way DF is set up makes it impossible for covert surveillance?And this is something that they vigorously depend upon to pursue their lifestyle.You can't surely believe that those that claim to be single mothers are all really living without a partner?These are devout Catholics and value wedded unity. As for the council tax, I think you'll find only the legal plots pay Do you not believe in equality?Same laws for everyone?

Kathy wrote:
Lisa Jensen Brave brave lady - God's blessings on you always

Sue wrote:
I am replying to Lisa Jensen, I live in crays hill and my property backs onto dale farm, and it's not as black and white when you live here!. Within 1 week of the many irish traverlers bedding down these things happened, 9 stable doors were stolen from a small yard in the next street, electric fencing was stolen from a field while the foal was in the electric fencing field , 2 cars have been stolen and burnt out in peoples drives on the road were the site is, and if you go to one of the meetings and the traverlers that the counsil and police ago to if you do speak up about these problems when you will get your windows bricked like 5 couples have!. This is just not fair. and it may interest people to know that or though most are still signing on that most of the men and husbands are all working out in spain, so while everyone is fighting to get them out only the woman and children are at the site, so if they can do this then the traveler aint STOPPED TRAVELING

wellblowme wrote:
Kick the scum out, they have contributed nothing to the community and have caused house prices to fall due to their flagrant disreguard for due process. I mean the paying of taxes and services provided by the council and paid by the decent law abiding tax payers. They seem to think that a caravan or other hard standing structure makes them immune to the law of the land. Well hear this, your days are numbered and the sooner you **** of back to Ireland the better, and when you arrive back in Ireland, it's assured you will not have the liberty that's afforded here!

wellblowme wrote:
Kick the scum out, they have contributed nothing to the community and have caused house prices to fall due to their flagrant disreguard for due process. I mean the paying of taxes and services provided by the council and paid by the decent law abiding tax payers. They seem to think that a caravan or other hard standing structure makes them immune to the law of the land. Well hear this, your days are numbered and the sooner you **** of back to Ireland the better, and when you arrive back in Ireland, it's assured you will not have the liberty that's afforded here!

Lisa Jensen wrote:

wellblowme wrote: Kick the scum out, they have contributed nothing to the community and have caused house prices to fall due to their flagrant disreguard for due process. I mean the paying of taxes and services provided by the council and paid by the decent law abiding tax payers. They seem to think that a caravan or other hard standing structure makes them immune to the law of the land. Well hear this, your days are numbered and the sooner you **** of back to Ireland the better, and when you arrive back in Ireland, it's assured you will not have the liberty that's afforded here!

What a nasty individual you seem to be.... Is this the attitude you have toward all cultures apart from the white english ones? I do hope not. there is no room for this kind of talk in this day and age, this is 2008, the time to live and let live, to embrace other cultures and for peace, not for verbal or any other kind of hatred!

Shamus wrote:
Lisa hasn't replied to me re letting me stay in her garden, I also need to accommodate my extended family of friends and relations, would we be welcome?

rochford resident wrote:
<b> Well, then if you are aware of the racial similiarity, would you please explain the relevance of your comment re Tacitus & Germania
etc. since those of equal viking blood to us ARE living \"cheek by jowl\"

Please explain - because people are tired of listening to your silly comments, which make no sense and no one ever asks you to explain, we all defer to you because of your age. But this is serious business and if you can\'t do it properly there are younger people more in touch who can. I don\'t have anything against you personally except that you stand in the way of more qualified candidates.</b>

rochford resident wrote:

Margaret Stoll wrote:

ShipShape wrote: &lt;b&gt; \"the law will not tolerate developments without planning permission being obtained\" The law seems pretty tolerant up to now. Anyway, I\'ve got my eye set on a plot of land, I\'ll be moving there soon. If anyone can prove they\'ve got Viking blood, they can move on it with me, we\'ll have all the back up of the Anti-Discrimination Industry. Maybe we\'ll get the lovely James Dasinger to come and set the long boat on fire, before we all go back to the £12000 Long house for some quaffing ale, singing songs about Wodin and looking forwards to a bit of a laugh in Valhalla. Ridiculous? Only as much as this whole debacle is..&lt;/b&gt;

Hello ShipShape Whilst it's pretty difficult to prove Viking blood, it's known that anyone from Yorkshire is likely to have some, because of the long time that Vikings were settled there. So yes, I think I would be eligible to join you! Tacitus wrote in 'Germania' that any of the Germanic peoples (Angles, Saxons, Jutes, what became English and Scandinavians) don't like living close to each other. They like a bit of space in between their settlements. Living cheek-by-jowl, one caravan parked next to another, would not suit us. Me, I'd love a piece of woodland, with a log-cabin among the trees. I'd be able to lie in bed and listen to the dawn chorus.

Well now you've confirmed it - your complete unsuitability to represent the english democrats. How much of an education do you have?? That is not the first time, we have wondered that. Have you ever heard the old saying "best to remain silent and let people think you are a fool, than to speak out and have it confirmed." Are you aware that there is as much Viking (i.e Germanic) blood in the Irish as there is in the English? You should educate yourself on the migration of the Caucasian race before you shame us all again. Or perhaps withdraw once and for all, you are the reason we lost!

GRILLO HUNTER wrote:

rochford resident wrote:

Margaret Stoll wrote:

ShipShape wrote: &amp;lt;b&amp;gt; \"the law will not tolerate developments without planning permission being obtained\" The law seems pretty tolerant up to now. Anyway, I\'ve got my eye set on a plot of land, I\'ll be moving there soon. If anyone can prove they\'ve got Viking blood, they can move on it with me, we\'ll have all the back up of the Anti-Discrimination Industry. Maybe we\'ll get the lovely James Dasinger to come and set the long boat on fire, before we all go back to the £12000 Long house for some quaffing ale, singing songs about Wodin and looking forwards to a bit of a laugh in Valhalla. Ridiculous? Only as much as this whole debacle is..&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;

Hello ShipShape Whilst it's pretty difficult to prove Viking blood, it's known that anyone from Yorkshire is likely to have some, because of the long time that Vikings were settled there. So yes, I think I would be eligible to join you! Tacitus wrote in 'Germania' that any of the Germanic peoples (Angles, Saxons, Jutes, what became English and Scandinavians) don't like living close to each other. They like a bit of space in between their settlements. Living cheek-by-jowl, one caravan parked next to another, would not suit us. Me, I'd love a piece of woodland, with a log-cabin among the trees. I'd be able to lie in bed and listen to the dawn chorus.

Well now you've confirmed it - your complete unsuitability to represent the english democrats. How much of an education do you have?? That is not the first time, we have wondered that. Have you ever heard the old saying "best to remain silent and let people think you are a fool, than to speak out and have it confirmed." Are you aware that there is as much Viking (i.e Germanic) blood in the Irish as there is in the English? You should educate yourself on the migration of the Caucasian race before you shame us all again. Or perhaps withdraw once and for all, you are the reason we lost!

GRILLO

BettyL wrote:
All the settled community in the Basildon District need to protest by witholding one month's council tax.

wellblowme wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

wellblowme wrote: Kick the scum out, they have contributed nothing to the community and have caused house prices to fall due to their flagrant disreguard for due process. I mean the paying of taxes and services provided by the council and paid by the decent law abiding tax payers. They seem to think that a caravan or other hard standing structure makes them immune to the law of the land. Well hear this, your days are numbered and the sooner you **** of back to Ireland the better, and when you arrive back in Ireland, it's assured you will not have the liberty that's afforded here!

What a nasty individual you seem to be.... Is this the attitude you have toward all cultures apart from the white english ones? I do hope not. there is no room for this kind of talk in this day and age, this is 2008, the time to live and let live, to embrace other cultures and for peace, not for verbal or any other kind of hatred!

You couldn't be further from the truth in your reply. I have many neighbours that are Muslim or Islamic. These people are decent hard working people that pay their taxes and are contributing to our economy. You seem to be missing the point that the 'Travellers' aren't going anywhere and are flouting the law of the land! This has nothing to do with culture as I have previously said my neighbours are from a multi cultural base. The pure fact is that these Irish so called 'Travellers' are not travelling anywhere but are intent on stretching the law to their advantage! If you want to pay your £££'s to supoort their cause then so be it. I for one will not endorse £12000 cabins and laptops at my expense. I suspect a troll in you Lisa as your argument is heavily flawed and biased towards the traveller community!

wellblowme wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

wellblowme wrote: Kick the scum out, they have contributed nothing to the community and have caused house prices to fall due to their flagrant disreguard for due process. I mean the paying of taxes and services provided by the council and paid by the decent law abiding tax payers. They seem to think that a caravan or other hard standing structure makes them immune to the law of the land. Well hear this, your days are numbered and the sooner you **** of back to Ireland the better, and when you arrive back in Ireland, it\'s assured you will not have the liberty that\'s afforded here!

What a nasty individual you seem to be.... Is this the attitude you have toward all cultures apart from the white english ones? I do hope not. there is no room for this kind of talk in this day and age, this is 2008, the time to live and let live, to embrace other cultures and for peace, not for verbal or any other kind of hatred!

You couldn\'t be further from the truth in your reply. I have many neighbours that are Muslim or Islamic. These people are decent hard working people that pay their taxes and are contributing to our economy. You seem to be missing the point that the \'Travellers\' aren\'t going anywhere and are flouting the law of the land! This has nothing to do with culture as I have previously said my neighbours are from a multi cultural base. The pure fact is that these Irish so called \'Travellers\' are not travelling anywhere but are intent on stretching the law to their advantage! If you want to pay your £££\'s to supoort their cause then so be it. I for one will not endorse £12000 cabins and laptops at my expense. I suspect a troll in you Lisa as your argument is heavily flawed and biased towards the traveller community!

Disgusted wrote:
In 2000 and 2001 the school fields at the rear of our houses were invaded by travellers. They caused damage to our properties and did not like it when the police were called in. Every time they drove in or out of the site they would sit and stare at the residents of the houses. After they were moved on the first year, Essex County Council had fences and gates erected all with sharp spikes at the top. The travellers came back the next year and cut through the padlock on the only gate which had a paved road through it. On both occasions the mess left behind when they were eventually moved off was disgusting. One neighbour was in the Asda store at Pipps Hill and he went into the gents and found it full of men having a wash and shave. Needless to say these were travellers. I feel sorry for the people of Crays Hill, who have to put up with these people. Yet again, non tax payers are getting away with murders whilst we tax payers have to foot all the bills. Send they back to Ireland.

Peter wrote:
Perhaps Lisa you need to go to Crays Hill they have a brand new IT center there and they can teach you how to use the internet and look for information before you comment!!!!! I am sure you can find a picture of one

BettyL wrote:
All the settled community in the Basildon District need to protest by witholding one month\'s council tax.

Shamus wrote:
I see Lisa's ignoring me, well I haven't got the money that the Dale Farm mob have, that's probably why, money speaks.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

wellblowme wrote: Kick the scum out, they have contributed nothing to the community and have caused house prices to fall due to their flagrant disreguard for due process. I mean the paying of taxes and services provided by the council and paid by the decent law abiding tax payers. They seem to think that a caravan or other hard standing structure makes them immune to the law of the land. Well hear this, your days are numbered and the sooner you **** of back to Ireland the better, and when you arrive back in Ireland, it's assured you will not have the liberty that's afforded here!

What a nasty individual you seem to be.... Is this the attitude you have toward all cultures apart from the white english ones? I do hope not. there is no room for this kind of talk in this day and age, this is 2008, the time to live and let live, to embrace other cultures and for peace, not for verbal or any other kind of hatred!

Shamus wrote:
I see Lisa's ignoring me, well I haven't got the money that the Dale Farm mob have, that's probably why, money speaks.

peter wrote:
Lisa again you say "Richard Sheridan believes that the travellers are entitled to live 'like everyone else'." Well let them pay taxes and abide by the same laws as the other people and then they can. Do not be so ill informed, have you not read about the slavery, drugs etc?

Tracy wrote:
Lisa, I really do think that it\'s off the cuff comments from people like you who don\'t fully understand the situation that makes matters worse. You seem opposed to the settled community not sending their children to the local school. Well my children do not attend the school, even though it\'s our catchment school for the simple fact that it has the worst trunacy record in the country and (as verified by a member of the governing body) the school is 96% special needs. I am somewhat wary as to the education my children would receive. Are you a mother and would you like to comment?

Sharron wrote:
Isn't it time the Council stopped wasting money on lawyers and started spending it on its obligations to provide proper sites for travellers?

Rebel wrote:
Lisa Jensen I salute you for human kindness above and beyond the call of duty. Brave brave lady indeed!!

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Sue wrote:
I am replying to Lisa Jensen, I live in crays hill and my property backs onto dale farm, and it\'s not as black and white when you live here!. Within 1 week of the many irish traverlers bedding down these things happened, 9 stable doors were stolen from a small yard in the next street, electric fencing was stolen from a field while the foal was in the electric fencing field , 2 cars have been stolen and burnt out in peoples drives on the road were the site is, and if you go to one of the meetings and the traverlers that the counsil and police ago to if you do speak up about these problems when you will get your windows bricked like 5 couples have!. This is just not fair. and it may interest people to know that or though most are still signing on that most of the men and husbands are all working out in spain, so while everyone is fighting to get them out only the woman and children are at the site, so if they can do this then the traveler aint STOPPED TRAVELING

If these things are indeed going on and I do not dispute what you are saying then I do genuinely empathise with you, it is awful to live in fear and to feel terrorised in your own home, I know I have lived with it. Again, I will reiterate what I said earlier and that is that I do not condone any form of illegal acitivity. I feel though that there are ways and means of dealing with things and the persistant media hounding is not fair. Also as you are a resident please tell me if your children go to Crays Hill school? I am only interested as it has been reported that a lot of local residents took there children out of the school due to the travellers children attending there, tell me Sue do you think that is fair and do you think that that kind of behaviour helped settle the waters between the Dale Farm families and the residents of Oak Lane and Crays Hill?

undertaker wrote:

Sherry wrote: Actually i'm now furious, i'm doing it all wrong, i'm working every hour i can, commuting up to London because a job here wouldn't pay my mortgage. I declare everything i earn, no cash in hand jobs, i pay for everything, full whack. I get no help from anyone, all the courses i went on I HAD TO PAY FOR, no little community centre for me to learn in. I might as well sell up, get a caravan and stick it in some field off the 127, let's see how long i will last before i get chucked off.

Love it when your furious, i have a field to berth your caravan in and i can watch you doing your washing.:)

Peter wrote:
Perhaps Basildon council should buy land near where the judge lives and move them there!!! Its unbeliveable!!

Rebel wrote:
Lisa Jensen I salute you for human kindness above and beyond the call of duty. Brave brave lady indeed!!

Ron wrote:
Lisa J. You put the \"Great\" back in Great Britain today.

lisa jensen wrote:

peter wrote: Lisa again you say "Richard Sheridan believes that the travellers are entitled to live 'like everyone else'." Well let them pay taxes and abide by the same laws as the other people and then they can. Do not be so ill informed, have you not read about the slavery, drugs etc?

Right this is going to take me ages to reply to all of these. I do find it sad that someone has to wash in a toilet, of course I do, be they traveller or Joe Blogss from sutton Road! I am not looking down on them at all, altough i can see that it may come across like that. I am not losing any arguement, there isnt one to be had, this is a forum for debate not arguing. Race does come into it, being born a traveller gives them a different ethnic minority to you and I, therefore race does come into it. I never mentioned Mr Sheridon, although someone did. Yes i did read about the slavery and drugs etc, all of which has yet to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt rememember, again though we can look at a couple of tower blocks in Southend that is full of the same, slavery and drug dealing, human trafficking and prostitution.

JGJ wrote:
Well done to everyone at Dale Farm,lets hope the judgement stands and councils across the country start to take their obligations to everyone in society seriously.

Ron wrote:
Lisa J. You put the "Great" back in Great Britain today.

Dave wrote:

JGJ wrote: Well done to everyone at Dale Farm,lets hope the judgement stands and councils across the country start to take their obligations to everyone in society seriously.

Lets hope everyone who lives at Dale Farm starts to take their commitment to society seriously, it works both ways, but of course, they won't.

Pete wrote:

lisa jensen wrote:

peter wrote: Lisa again you say "Richard Sheridan believes that the travellers are entitled to live 'like everyone else'." Well let them pay taxes and abide by the same laws as the other people and then they can. Do not be so ill informed, have you not read about the slavery, drugs etc?

Right this is going to take me ages to reply to all of these. I do find it sad that someone has to wash in a toilet, of course I do, be they traveller or Joe Blogss from sutton Road! I am not looking down on them at all, altough i can see that it may come across like that. I am not losing any arguement, there isnt one to be had, this is a forum for debate not arguing. Race does come into it, being born a traveller gives them a different ethnic minority to you and I, therefore race does come into it. I never mentioned Mr Sheridon, although someone did. Yes i did read about the slavery and drugs etc, all of which has yet to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt rememember, again though we can look at a couple of tower blocks in Southend that is full of the same, slavery and drug dealing, human trafficking and prostitution.

Race does not come into it, there is no such race as travellers.

Lisa Jensen wrote:
you lot are having a bloody laugh with me today!

Ex-pat wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote: you lot are having a bloody laugh with me today!

Lisa were you referring to me? I assure it is most sincerely meant.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Pete wrote:

lisa jensen wrote:

peter wrote: Lisa again you say "Richard Sheridan believes that the travellers are entitled to live 'like everyone else'." Well let them pay taxes and abide by the same laws as the other people and then they can. Do not be so ill informed, have you not read about the slavery, drugs etc?

Right this is going to take me ages to reply to all of these. I do find it sad that someone has to wash in a toilet, of course I do, be they traveller or Joe Blogss from sutton Road! I am not looking down on them at all, altough i can see that it may come across like that. I am not losing any arguement, there isnt one to be had, this is a forum for debate not arguing. Race does come into it, being born a traveller gives them a different ethnic minority to you and I, therefore race does come into it. I never mentioned Mr Sheridon, although someone did. Yes i did read about the slavery and drugs etc, all of which has yet to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt rememember, again though we can look at a couple of tower blocks in Southend that is full of the same, slavery and drug dealing, human trafficking and prostitution.

Race does not come into it, there is no such race as travellers.

No quite right there is not, it is a term used then. Shall I use the term bigot then to describe the people on here? They are of an ethnic minority, a culture different to that of I and you I presume. Therefore they need to be afforded some kind of grace when being dealt with. If the council does not like them being there then give them a legal site to live on, job done then.

Tony wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Pete wrote:

lisa jensen wrote:

peter wrote: Lisa again you say "Richard Sheridan believes that the travellers are entitled to live 'like everyone else'." Well let them pay taxes and abide by the same laws as the other people and then they can. Do not be so ill informed, have you not read about the slavery, drugs etc?

Right this is going to take me ages to reply to all of these. I do find it sad that someone has to wash in a toilet, of course I do, be they traveller or Joe Blogss from sutton Road! I am not looking down on them at all, altough i can see that it may come across like that. I am not losing any arguement, there isnt one to be had, this is a forum for debate not arguing. Race does come into it, being born a traveller gives them a different ethnic minority to you and I, therefore race does come into it. I never mentioned Mr Sheridon, although someone did. Yes i did read about the slavery and drugs etc, all of which has yet to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt rememember, again though we can look at a couple of tower blocks in Southend that is full of the same, slavery and drug dealing, human trafficking and prostitution.

Race does not come into it, there is no such race as travellers.

No quite right there is not, it is a term used then. Shall I use the term bigot then to describe the people on here? They are of an ethnic minority, a culture different to that of I and you I presume. Therefore they need to be afforded some kind of grace when being dealt with. If the council does not like them being there then give them a legal site to live on, job done then.

They are Irish, since when were the Irish an ethnic minority, they are no more a minority than the English are an ethnic minority.

crays hill sympathiser wrote:
I wish Lisa would go off and bask in the glow of her saintliness, and come back when she has experience of the reality of living next door to travellers.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Ex-pat wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote: you lot are having a bloody laugh with me today!

Lisa were you referring to me? I assure it is most sincerely meant.

I was refering generally, if you are indeed sincere then thank you very much for your kind words, much appreciated.

Ex-pat wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Ex-pat wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote: you lot are having a bloody laugh with me today!

Lisa were you referring to me? I assure it is most sincerely meant.

I was refering generally, if you are indeed sincere then thank you very much for your kind words, much appreciated.

Someone at a satellite UNESCO office in Europe (I won't say where - but its easy to guess) phoned to say that her boss came in early on Friday to find out the judgement. I suspect the forum is being widely read today, but of course few outsiders will post. She says that the one post from the girl at Dale Farm has touched the hearts of many people. And admiration for you is almost eclipsing the issue. And before you scoff, I say again, it is most sincere, and jolly well deserved.

Andrew wrote:
Lisa Jensen wrote: 'Being Irish does not make them a minority, being part of the travelling community does, albeit if you speak to the women there they no longer want to travel, they want a more settled life for the kiddies. Still, being part of the travelling community makes them a minority.' If they want to settle then they can d@mn well buy or rent houses and flats, just like everyone else has to do, and they can stop expecting to build on greenbelt and get away with it. A minority? They outnumber the legal residents of Crays Hill, how is that a minority? What about the rights of the settled minority in Crays Hill to be able to live their lives free of burglary, theft, burned out cars, fly tipping, drunken fights etc? Whats your next weasel mouthed apologist reason for letting the tax dodgers and benefit scroungers at Dale Farm break the law Lisa?

Andrew wrote:

G Buckingham wrote: I keep saying, all you need to do is send in the SAS with a good supply of body bags.

Just send in the Tax Inspectors and Benefit Investigators. There'd be an exodus the likes of which has not been seen since Moses.

Lisa J wrote:

Andrew wrote:

G Buckingham wrote: I keep saying, all you need to do is send in the SAS with a good supply of body bags.

Just send in the Tax Inspectors and Benefit Investigators. There'd be an exodus the likes of which has not been seen since Moses.

Like many of the settled estates in Southend and all over the Uk, not just a traveller issue is it?

Andrew wrote:
Lisa Jensen wrote: I don\'t condone tax dodging, benefit scroungers, never have and never will! I have, I repeat again, only ever stuck up for what is right morally. Are you telling me then that all the residents of crays hill that are not travellers are saints? That they never burgle, fly tip etc? Coz I tell you now that I have photographic/video evidence of a settled resident flytipping in Oak Lane! so shove that in your bigotted pipe and smoke it! You are not standing up for the morally right, you are standing up for te morally wrong. You are standing up for tax dodging benefit scroungers, you are standing up for people who contribute NOTHING to society but expect everything from society. Ypou are standing up for peple who have homes elsewhere in the UK, but who want their cake and eat it, at the expense of the law abiding majority. Every time you stand up for the parasites at Dale Farm you are condoning their criminal behaviour. You are condoning their breaking the law. But I wouldn\'t expect you to understand any of that because you are so politically correct that you are afraid to see the truth.

ShipShape wrote:
I know some people who do work in the benefits system, they paint a very different picture than Silent flowers. I wonder how Silentflower is employed, is it the 'Office Stapler refill Technician'?

Andrew wrote:
Given all the spelling and grammar mistakes in 'Silent flower's' post, I would take their 'working with benefits with a large dose of salts. Also, why should Basildon Council provide any plots at all? These parasites don't pay into the system, why should they be permitted to take from it?

Lisa Jensen wrote:
<b> If you say so</b>

Andrew wrote:
Lisa Jensen wrote: You dont need to be able to spell to work somewhere do you? I am studying for a degree, yet my spelling and grammar are appalling! Erm yes, actually you do. I would not employ anyone who has a poor grasp of grammar cannot spell, because that indicates an over reliance on spell checkers. That would tell me the person is either too lazy or not intelligent enough to write properly. If they cannot write properly the chances are their reading comprehension is also lacking, and that could cost the company when they make mistakes. Lisa Jensen wrote:They pay council tax so therefore they are entitled to the help as is anyone else that is made homeless in this country. Basildon has a statutory duty under current housing legislation to give temp accomodation to anyone entering a homeless application pending further enquiries The PARASITES at Dale Farm are NOT homeless. They have homes in Rathkeale, County Limerick, Eire. Lisa Jensen wrote: Oh and ref your earlier post, no I did agree that they are benefit scroungers and tax dodgers, i didnt say that, i said much the same as any estate in southend, meaning that you get that anywhere, Which is another way of saying that some settled people abuse the system so why shouldn't the parasites at Dale Farm abuse the system. You are using that to excuse the tax dodging and benefit scrounging at Dale Farm.

Andrew wrote:
Lisa Jensen wrote: You dont need to be able to spell to work somewhere do you? I am studying for a degree, yet my spelling and grammar are appalling! Erm yes, actually you do. I would not employ anyone who has a poor grasp of grammar cannot spell, because that indicates an over reliance on spell checkers. That would tell me the person is either too lazy or not intelligent enough to write properly. If they cannot write properly the chances are their reading comprehension is also lacking, and that could cost the company when they make mistakes. Lisa Jensen wrote:They pay council tax so therefore they are entitled to the help as is anyone else that is made homeless in this country. Basildon has a statutory duty under current housing legislation to give temp accomodation to anyone entering a homeless application pending further enquiries The PARASITES at Dale Farm are NOT homeless. They have homes in Rathkeale, County Limerick, Eire. Lisa Jensen wrote: Oh and ref your earlier post, no I did agree that they are benefit scroungers and tax dodgers, i didnt say that, i said much the same as any estate in southend, meaning that you get that anywhere, Which is another way of saying that some settled people abuse the system so why shouldn't the parasites at Dale Farm abuse the system. You are using that to excuse the tax dodging and benefit scrounging at Dale Farm.

Ron wrote:
Lisa J. You put the "Great" back in Great Britain today.

Andrew wrote:
Lisa Jensen wrote: So what if someone has dyslexia then? You wouldnt employ them? Nice person you are... Oh come and work for me, but only if you can spell, read properly and are not a traveller! Well I can read perfectly, in fact I love reading, but my grammar is useless! Do we have it proven beyond all reasonable doubt that they have homes there and that they actually belong to residents at Dale Farm? Again, I am not excusing anything, I have said that they may well be abusing the system, the same as settled people, dont know that for a fact though do I and I will not be drawn into casting aspersions on people. I said nothing about not employing travellers. See what I mean about reading comprehension? You're right I would not employ a dyslexic in a position that required a lot of reading, just as I would not employ a blind person as a security guard, a deaf person as a telephone receptionist or a quadraplegic as a delivery driver. Regarding Rathkeale, the same names crop up there as at Dale farm, Sheridan, Flynn, O'Brien, Scannel...

Andrew wrote:
Lisa Jensen wrote: So what if someone has dyslexia then? You wouldnt employ them? Nice person you are... Oh come and work for me, but only if you can spell, read properly and are not a traveller! Well I can read perfectly, in fact I love reading, but my grammar is useless! Do we have it proven beyond all reasonable doubt that they have homes there and that they actually belong to residents at Dale Farm? Again, I am not excusing anything, I have said that they may well be abusing the system, the same as settled people, dont know that for a fact though do I and I will not be drawn into casting aspersions on people. I said nothing about not employing travellers. See what I mean about reading comprehension? You're right I would not employ a dyslexic in a position that required a lot of reading, just as I would not employ a blind person as a security guard, a deaf person as a telephone receptionist or a quadraplegic as a delivery driver. Regarding Rathkeale, the same names crop up there as at Dale farm, Sheridan, Flynn, O'Brien, Scannel...

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Andrew wrote: Lisa Jensen wrote: So what if someone has dyslexia then? You wouldnt employ them? Nice person you are... Oh come and work for me, but only if you can spell, read properly and are not a traveller! Well I can read perfectly, in fact I love reading, but my grammar is useless! Do we have it proven beyond all reasonable doubt that they have homes there and that they actually belong to residents at Dale Farm? Again, I am not excusing anything, I have said that they may well be abusing the system, the same as settled people, dont know that for a fact though do I and I will not be drawn into casting aspersions on people. I said nothing about not employing travellers. See what I mean about reading comprehension? You're right I would not employ a dyslexic in a position that required a lot of reading, just as I would not employ a blind person as a security guard, a deaf person as a telephone receptionist or a quadraplegic as a delivery driver. Regarding Rathkeale, the same names crop up there as at Dale farm, Sheridan, Flynn, O'Brien, Scannel...

Ok, I can take what you say in the correct context when you put it like that, that would make sense. As for not employing a traveller, that was a presumtion on my part, would you then? The same names crop up do they? Well Sheridan, Flynn, O'Brien, not sure about Scannel, not one I have heard, but all the others are pretty common Irish names are they not? As my name Jensen is a common name in Denmark and Holland. Hardly the basis of a good legal arguement though is it? Your Honour, please evict these people, not only have they built on g-belt land, they also have property in Ireland... Do we have evidence of this Mr Prosecutor? Oh yes your honour, they have the same name as others living in that area so it must be true.... Flimsy.

Tony wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Andrew wrote: Lisa Jensen wrote: So what if someone has dyslexia then? You wouldnt employ them? Nice person you are... Oh come and work for me, but only if you can spell, read properly and are not a traveller! Well I can read perfectly, in fact I love reading, but my grammar is useless! Do we have it proven beyond all reasonable doubt that they have homes there and that they actually belong to residents at Dale Farm? Again, I am not excusing anything, I have said that they may well be abusing the system, the same as settled people, dont know that for a fact though do I and I will not be drawn into casting aspersions on people. I said nothing about not employing travellers. See what I mean about reading comprehension? You're right I would not employ a dyslexic in a position that required a lot of reading, just as I would not employ a blind person as a security guard, a deaf person as a telephone receptionist or a quadraplegic as a delivery driver. Regarding Rathkeale, the same names crop up there as at Dale farm, Sheridan, Flynn, O'Brien, Scannel...

Ok, I can take what you say in the correct context when you put it like that, that would make sense. As for not employing a traveller, that was a presumtion on my part, would you then? The same names crop up do they? Well Sheridan, Flynn, O'Brien, not sure about Scannel, not one I have heard, but all the others are pretty common Irish names are they not? As my name Jensen is a common name in Denmark and Holland. Hardly the basis of a good legal arguement though is it? Your Honour, please evict these people, not only have they built on g-belt land, they also have property in Ireland... Do we have evidence of this Mr Prosecutor? Oh yes your honour, they have the same name as others living in that area so it must be true.... Flimsy.

The argument is that you are saying they are a minority race, they are Irish they are not a minority race. They chose to live outside of society and the law, that does not make them a minority race, therefore this is not about race but about people breaking the law.

Tony wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Andrew wrote: Lisa Jensen wrote: So what if someone has dyslexia then? You wouldnt employ them? Nice person you are... Oh come and work for me, but only if you can spell, read properly and are not a traveller! Well I can read perfectly, in fact I love reading, but my grammar is useless! Do we have it proven beyond all reasonable doubt that they have homes there and that they actually belong to residents at Dale Farm? Again, I am not excusing anything, I have said that they may well be abusing the system, the same as settled people, dont know that for a fact though do I and I will not be drawn into casting aspersions on people. I said nothing about not employing travellers. See what I mean about reading comprehension? You're right I would not employ a dyslexic in a position that required a lot of reading, just as I would not employ a blind person as a security guard, a deaf person as a telephone receptionist or a quadraplegic as a delivery driver. Regarding Rathkeale, the same names crop up there as at Dale farm, Sheridan, Flynn, O'Brien, Scannel...

Ok, I can take what you say in the correct context when you put it like that, that would make sense. As for not employing a traveller, that was a presumtion on my part, would you then? The same names crop up do they? Well Sheridan, Flynn, O'Brien, not sure about Scannel, not one I have heard, but all the others are pretty common Irish names are they not? As my name Jensen is a common name in Denmark and Holland. Hardly the basis of a good legal arguement though is it? Your Honour, please evict these people, not only have they built on g-belt land, they also have property in Ireland... Do we have evidence of this Mr Prosecutor? Oh yes your honour, they have the same name as others living in that area so it must be true.... Flimsy.

The argument is that you are saying they are a minority race, they are Irish they are not a minority race. They chose to live outside of society and the law, that does not make them a minority race, therefore this is not about race but about people breaking the law.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Tony wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Andrew wrote: Lisa Jensen wrote: So what if someone has dyslexia then? You wouldnt employ them? Nice person you are... Oh come and work for me, but only if you can spell, read properly and are not a traveller! Well I can read perfectly, in fact I love reading, but my grammar is useless! Do we have it proven beyond all reasonable doubt that they have homes there and that they actually belong to residents at Dale Farm? Again, I am not excusing anything, I have said that they may well be abusing the system, the same as settled people, dont know that for a fact though do I and I will not be drawn into casting aspersions on people. I said nothing about not employing travellers. See what I mean about reading comprehension? You're right I would not employ a dyslexic in a position that required a lot of reading, just as I would not employ a blind person as a security guard, a deaf person as a telephone receptionist or a quadraplegic as a delivery driver. Regarding Rathkeale, the same names crop up there as at Dale farm, Sheridan, Flynn, O'Brien, Scannel...

Ok, I can take what you say in the correct context when you put it like that, that would make sense. As for not employing a traveller, that was a presumtion on my part, would you then? The same names crop up do they? Well Sheridan, Flynn, O'Brien, not sure about Scannel, not one I have heard, but all the others are pretty common Irish names are they not? As my name Jensen is a common name in Denmark and Holland. Hardly the basis of a good legal arguement though is it? Your Honour, please evict these people, not only have they built on g-belt land, they also have property in Ireland... Do we have evidence of this Mr Prosecutor? Oh yes your honour, they have the same name as others living in that area so it must be true.... Flimsy.

The argument is that you are saying they are a minority race, they are Irish they are not a minority race. They chose to live outside of society and the law, that does not make them a minority race, therefore this is not about race but about people breaking the law.

Right, ok, but it isnt is it? People live every day next to people who break the law. The man who beats his wife in his home, the neighbour chooses not to report that. The woman who has her partner living with her and claiming single parent benefit, not reported by all and sundry. They are in the minority as they have a different culture to you and I, what I am saying and have been for the year or so I have been commenting on these stories is that while I can see that there are things that they travellers need to do to integrate within society there are lots of things we need to do too to accomodate there culteral needs.

A Resident wrote:
I think those that side with the travelling people are using shock tactics on here to seek attention. I've seen many people like this that like to rebel against the system, whether or not they are in the right is neither here nor there, they just want to been seen as some sort of martyr.

A Resident wrote:
I think those that side with the travelling people are using shock tactics on here to seek attention.

I've seen many people like this that like to rebel against the system, whether or not they are in the right is neither here nor there, they just want to been seen as some sort of martyr.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Rebel wrote: Lisa Jensen I salute you for human kindness above and beyond the call of duty. Brave brave lady indeed!!

All of that is indeed a great shame. Point 9, that is totally and utterly incorrect. I have looked after a 6 year old boy since he was 1 year old, he is now back with his mum but when I registered him in school in January last year I was not allowed to place him there until they had sight of the birth certificate, until that moment he was not allowed into the school. Why would travellers take Friday and Monday off of school? I do understand that it is hard sometimes to interact and to find common grounding. Why could they not of come to your house for a party or Macdonalds? Thank you Rebel, I am not brave though, I just stick up for what I believe in.

V.Meldrew wrote:
It occurs to me that while we all debate the pros and cons here the clock is ticking on whether we all get to have a traveller site on our doorstep. Don't get sidetracked into sounding off and being labelled racist or bigot. Stick to the issue and use every means to stop any forward planning for such no go communities. Spend some time looking at the G/T 's own websites and you will soon see just how organised they are.

V.Meldrew wrote:
I don't believe it! Where's my bloody comment on the EERA website? Oh yes got it-you mustn't make any remarks wot might be considered racist as "G/T's are "an ethnic minority as defined in the 76 act". Just confine your objections to numbers and not why any are "needed" at all. Might as well give up then. Looks like direct action is the best course. Not even any objections from local councils despite them all condemning the sites leading up to local elections. Looking at English Democrats or BNP now to save us - or are they all bloody fascists?? Moan Grumble Moan....

Sally wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Rebel wrote: Lisa Jensen I salute you for human kindness above and beyond the call of duty. Brave brave lady indeed!!

All of that is indeed a great shame. Point 9, that is totally and utterly incorrect. I have looked after a 6 year old boy since he was 1 year old, he is now back with his mum but when I registered him in school in January last year I was not allowed to place him there until they had sight of the birth certificate, until that moment he was not allowed into the school. Why would travellers take Friday and Monday off of school? I do understand that it is hard sometimes to interact and to find common grounding. Why could they not of come to your house for a party or Macdonalds? Thank you Rebel, I am not brave though, I just stick up for what I believe in.

Lisa you are very short sighted and your blinkers must shield you from life’s realities. I was advised a so called liaison teacher that they would not come to my house and that it would not be advisable. She should have known, it was and still is her job to try and liaise between travelers and the settled community. Most settled community parents felt she was very one sided and most thought that Crays Hill School really did not want settled community children there so that they could cover up the fact that the traveler children were absent or ill mannered and disruptive. Point five is NOT incorrect as I am not a liar and I am offended that you so publicly suggest this. That is very typical of people who don’t like what they see / hear with regards to this issue. I was told by teachers that many of the children had no birth certificates and that they had to take them based on what they were told by the parents. If they couldn’t take them until they had said certificates, they would never be educated. I raised this issue with Essex County Councilor Steven Castle and he advised me that they had an obligation and responsibility to educate these children. I do not believe that educating the traveler children is a bad this quite the opposite, but do not agree with blatant disregard for the rules that apply to what age a child starts school. This is another example of the travelers disregarding rules and manipulating them to suit them selves. When a 3 year old is in a class set for 5 to 7 year olds and his mother seen shopping in Wickford High St, surly this is wrong and my earlier post suggesting the school is used as a baby sitting service IS correct. FACT.

Lisa Jensen wrote:
<b>

Sally wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Rebel wrote: Lisa Jensen I salute you for human kindness above and beyond the call of duty. Brave brave lady indeed!!

All of that is indeed a great shame. Point 9, that is totally and utterly incorrect. I have looked after a 6 year old boy since he was 1 year old, he is now back with his mum but when I registered him in school in January last year I was not allowed to place him there until they had sight of the birth certificate, until that moment he was not allowed into the school. Why would travellers take Friday and Monday off of school? I do understand that it is hard sometimes to interact and to find common grounding. Why could they not of come to your house for a party or Macdonalds? Thank you Rebel, I am not brave though, I just stick up for what I believe in.

Lisa you are very short sighted and your blinkers must shield you from life’s realities. I was advised a so called liaison teacher that they would not come to my house and that it would not be advisable. She should have known, it was and still is her job to try and liaise between travelers and the settled community. Most settled community parents felt she was very one sided and most thought that Crays Hill School really did not want settled community children there so that they could cover up the fact that the traveler children were absent or ill mannered and disruptive. Point five is NOT incorrect as I am not a liar and I am offended that you so publicly suggest this. That is very typical of people who don’t like what they see / hear with regards to this issue. I was told by teachers that many of the children had no birth certificates and that they had to take them based on what they were told by the parents. If they couldn’t take them until they had said certificates, they would never be educated. I raised this issue with Essex County Councilor Steven Castle and he advised me that they had an obligation and responsibility to educate these children. I do not believe that educating the traveler children is a bad this quite the opposite, but do not agree with blatant disregard for the rules that apply to what age a child starts school. This is another example of the travelers disregarding rules and manipulating them to suit them selves. When a 3 year old is in a class set for 5 to 7 year olds and his mother seen shopping in Wickford High St, surly this is wrong and my earlier post suggesting the school is used as a baby sitting service IS correct. FACT.

I did not call you a liar, I told you that this was incorrect, I can only tell you what I was told by Essex County Council when I applied to Hamstel School for the boy.

Lisa is talking about the 'rights' of people who, she says, are homeless. Are there not many homeless people sleeping on the streets in Southend and every other town and city up and down the land? Would that they had such an eloquent apologist as Lisa, to speak up for them? Could it be that they don't claim a different 'culture' and that's why their needs are not listened to?

Where have I said these people are homeless? I said that the council will have a duty to rehouse them under current homeless legislation if they aer indeed made homeless, I do actually do a lot of work with homeless people in Southend, surely you know of Blaine Robin?</b>

Sally wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Rebel wrote: Lisa Jensen I salute you for human kindness above and beyond the call of duty. Brave brave lady indeed!!

All of that is indeed a great shame. Point 9, that is totally and utterly incorrect. I have looked after a 6 year old boy since he was 1 year old, he is now back with his mum but when I registered him in school in January last year I was not allowed to place him there until they had sight of the birth certificate, until that moment he was not allowed into the school. Why would travellers take Friday and Monday off of school? I do understand that it is hard sometimes to interact and to find common grounding. Why could they not of come to your house for a party or Macdonalds? Thank you Rebel, I am not brave though, I just stick up for what I believe in.

Lisa you are very short sighted and your blinkers must shield you from life’s realities. I was advised a so called liaison teacher that they would not come to my house and that it would not be advisable. She should have known, it was and still is her job to try and liaise between travelers and the settled community. Most settled community parents felt she was very one sided and most thought that Crays Hill School really did not want settled community children there so that they could cover up the fact that the traveler children were absent or ill mannered and disruptive.
Point five is NOT incorrect as I am not a liar and I am offended that you so publicly suggest this. That is very typical of people who don’t like what they see / hear with regards to this issue.
I was told by teachers that many of the children had no birth certificates and that they had to take them based on what they were told by the parents. If they couldn’t take them until they had said certificates, they would never be educated.
I raised this issue with Essex County Councilor Steven Castle and he advised me that they had an obligation and responsibility to educate these children. I do not believe that educating the traveler children is a bad this quite the opposite, but do not agree with blatant disregard for the rules that apply to what age a child starts school.
This is another example of the travelers disregarding rules and manipulating them to suit them selves.
When a 3 year old is in a class set for 5 to 7 year olds and his mother seen shopping in Wickford High St, surly this is wrong and my earlier post suggesting the school is used as a baby sitting service IS correct. FACT.

Margaret Stoll wrote:
I think this issue is quite lively enough, don\'t you? There are some serious issues here. I am not in the least \'jealous\' of anybody, I have no need to be, and I still do not understand why the comment was made about a \'UNESCO office somewhere in Europe\'. Some people who post on here appear to have a personal agenda against me. Well, I do not support Lisa Jensen\'s stance on behalf of the so-called \'travellers\', but that does not mean that I am in any way \'jealous\' of her - there is no reason why I should be.

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Tony wrote:

Lisa Jensen wrote:

Andrew wrote: Lisa Jensen wrote: So what if someone has dyslexia then? You wouldnt employ them? Nice person you are... Oh come and work for me, but only if you can spell, read properly and are not a traveller! Well I can read perfectly, in fact I love reading, but my grammar is useless! Do we have it proven beyond all reasonable doubt that they have homes there and that they actually belong to residents at Dale Farm? Again, I am not excusing anything, I have said that they may well be abusing the system, the same as settled people, dont know that for a fact though do I and I will not be drawn into casting aspersions on people. I said nothing about not employing travellers. See what I mean about reading comprehension? You're right I would not employ a dyslexic in a position that required a lot of reading, just as I would not employ a blind person as a security guard, a deaf person as a telephone receptionist or a quadraplegic as a delivery driver. Regarding Rathkeale, the same names crop up there as at Dale farm, Sheridan, Flynn, O'Brien, Scannel...

Ok, I can take what you say in the correct context when you put it like that, that would make sense. As for not employing a traveller, that was a presumtion on my part, would you then? The same names crop up do they? Well Sheridan, Flynn, O'Brien, not sure about Scannel, not one I have heard, but all the others are pretty common Irish names are they not? As my name Jensen is a common name in Denmark and Holland. Hardly the basis of a good legal arguement though is it? Your Honour, please evict these people, not only have they built on g-belt land, they also have property in Ireland... Do we have evidence of this Mr Prosecutor? Oh yes your honour, they have the same name as others living in that area so it must be true.... Flimsy.

The argument is that you are saying they are a minority race, they are Irish they are not a minority race. They chose to live outside of society and the law, that does not make them a minority race, therefore this is not about race but about people breaking the law.

Right, ok, but it isnt is it? People live every day next to people who break the law. The man who beats his wife in his home, the neighbour chooses not to report that. The woman who has her partner living with her and claiming single parent benefit, not reported by all and sundry. They are in the minority as they have a different culture to you and I, what I am saying and have been for the year or so I have been commenting on these stories is that while I can see that there are things that they travellers need to do to integrate within society there are lots of things we need to do too to accomodate there culteral needs.

Happy From Canvey wrote:
I have read most of the comments left in the last few days on this site. I would just like to say that I think Lisa Jensen is a "SAINT". I cant understand why people think its only the folks that come from Crays Hill that could be doing the state. I had a teacher live next door to me, her husband was to sick to work so she told the state. The husband run his own removal company for years while claiming of the state. The man was so ill but could drive to spain every week and load and unload everything.The man still does it to this day. I think the people of dale farm must feel that with so many against them, their must be safty in numbers. (I would).

Ron wrote:
Lisa J. You put the "Great" back in Great Britain