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Drivers warned: A127 50mph limit in force from Thursday

3:20pm Tuesday 13th January 2009 in


DRIVERS on the A127 will have to watch out when a new speed limit and average speed cameras come into force in two days.

From Thursday, there will be a 50mph speed limit on a 3.8-mile stretch of the road, and the controversial average speed cameras will be switched on.

Drivers travelling in both directions between the Dick Turpin pub and the Southend borough boundary will have to keep their cars to 50mph.

Between Nevendon and the Dick Turpin pub the current 70mph will stay in place, but both stretches will be watched by the new average cameras.

Essex County Council has said motorists can be fined from Thursday if they break the limit.

But transport chiefs say a period of grace could be brought in to allow drivers more time to adjust. However, they refused to say how long this could last.

Scott Wilson, spokesman for Essex County Council, said: “From Thursday the speed limits and cameras are technically enforceable.

“We will be assessing how motorists adjust to the new speed limit before deciding when to make them fully operational.

“It’s about ensuring motorists are aware of the speed limit before the full force of the system is used. It’s not about revenue raising. It’s to ensure that motorists drive safely along the A127, one of the most dangerous stretches of road in Essex.”

Drivers caught speeding along the entire stretch of road will only be penalised once for that journey.

Posts holding the new cameras have been put up along a 6.2 mile stretch of the road and the county council hopes the speed cameras will reduce the number of accidents on the road and smooth the traffic flow at busy times.

Basildon taxi driver Ralph Morgan said he approved of the cameras, but doubted the impact they would have on rush hour traffic.

He said: “I think they’re a good idea, because you see a lot of boy racers when you’re driving between Southend and Basildon in the early hours.

“But I can’t see how it’s going to improve the flow of traffic during the rush hours, because the sheer volume of traffic is massive.”

Comments(55)

Winston Smith says...
3:24pm Tue 13 Jan 09

Are the 50mph speed limit signs in place yet? They weren't last time I drove along the A127.

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ShipShape says...
3:26pm Tue 13 Jan 09

Stop pussyfooting around and buid a proper motorway.

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soose80 says...
3:45pm Tue 13 Jan 09

They are in place but they are covered by erm.....Bin bags !!

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thelonewhinger says...
3:48pm Tue 13 Jan 09

The limit will be unenforceable unless signs are erected at every access point and at correct intervals along this stretch of road.
Failing this national speed limits will apply.

To all pro-camera types out there - here's hoping nobody has cloned your vehicle or number plate. Believe me it is difficult and expensive proving your innocence. One of a growing number of "guilty until proved innocent" schemes.


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Ivanna Goodhump says...
4:04pm Tue 13 Jan 09

Why these cretins at ECC couldn't make the lower limit only applicable in heavy traffic or rush hours is beyond me (the technology is available and used on the M25).

It is also somewhat ironic that many of the accidents on the A127 happen when the road is very busy and speeds are probably below 50 anyway.

For the majority of the day (and night) it is perfectly safe to travel at 70 mph on the A127 between the Dick Turpin and the town boundary and camera's are definately not needed beyond that to Nevendon.

Perhaps it's something to do with having to raise sufficient revenue .... or being publicly seen to be doing something rather than taking effective action that will work but won't attract so much publicity.

As for that taxi driver saying "“I think they’re a good idea, because you see a lot of boy racers when you’re driving between Southend and Basildon in the early hours" what, so we all have to suffer because of a few idiots who will still drive dangerously on other roads.

These boy racers need to be dealt with by the Police and prosecuted wherever they drive dangerously, but of course that requires joined up thinking and more Police resources. Unfortuately the Council seem to think is better spent on Cameras that won't catch the drunks, the drugged, the cars being driven by many on one insurance policy - as long as they stay below 50 ...

So now we are all saddled with a limit introduced on the basis improving safety. Unfortunately many drivers will now spend less time looking at the road and more time looking at their speedo's. As they found in the USA many years ago when the 55 mph limit was introduced, accidents actually increased due to driver boredom and inattention. When the limit was eventually raised back accidents actually fell again.






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Sir Henry Rawlinson says...
4:54pm Tue 13 Jan 09

I have no real problem with the cameras on the 70mph stretch but the 50 zone seems a bit harsh and too long. Still, it would be interesting to see what the combined cost of installing and maintaining the cameras together with the not altogether necessary works at the Nevendon slip would be compared to the cost of straightening out the A127 at the Fortune of War. Perhaps the Echo could do some digging into this?

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Techno says...
5:02pm Tue 13 Jan 09

If you're too stupid to slow down for safetys sake, then slow down for your wallet in this recession. I dont really care why, just do it.

I'm going to see if I can sponsor a speed camera and earn some money off the mugs who dont know how to drive.

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Ivanna Goodhump says...
5:12pm Tue 13 Jan 09

Techno wrote:
If you're too stupid to slow down for safetys sake, then slow down for your wallet in this recession. I dont really care why, just do it. I'm going to see if I can sponsor a speed camera and earn some money off the mugs who dont know how to drive.
So, travelling at 70 mph on an empty A127 at night / early morning / midday is unsafe is it.

Wake up and smell the coffee.


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NOTORIOUS says...
5:16pm Tue 13 Jan 09

still wont catch motorcycles will it???? !!!!!

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Techno says...
5:18pm Tue 13 Jan 09

It is if you have a blow out and crash in to someone else. At 50 the chances of getting away with it are much greater than at 70. Not just for you, but the rest of us as well.

Keep away from coffee it makes you hyper and lack concentration, you might get caught by the camera.


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Winston Smith says...
5:36pm Tue 13 Jan 09

Techno wrote:
It is if you have a blow out and crash in to someone else. At 50 the chances of getting away with it are much greater than at 70. Not just for you, but the rest of us as well.

Keep away from coffee it makes you hyper and lack concentration, you might get caught by the camera.

By that reckoning all roads in Techno-world should be limited to 50mph, including Motorways.
Great idea Techno, lets go back in time to the dark ages and all travel at no more than a snails pace, just in case someone gets hurt. In fact lets get rid of cars altogether, and motorbikes, and buses and trains, after all, they're all dangerous.
It was backward thinking like yours that got rid of Concorde and slowed transatlantic travel back to 1960s levels, and in the process increased pollution.

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Techno says...
6:01pm Tue 13 Jan 09

Winston you shouldnt be allowed out of your darkened room,period!

So now your demonising of speed cameras, which the vast majority of us in the UK want, is to blame for the demise of concorde, boats, trains, planes and automobiles! What was that planet called you are from again?

As for slowing the world down. You're **** right we should slow down. Nothing good about being in a rat race with a quality of life akin to your darkened room. Yes please bring back sanity.

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Bosniavet says...
6:09pm Tue 13 Jan 09

As I have said before, this will not help with road safety, & purely generate revenue. However, given the recent reports about cloned numbers, care of addresses & the reluctance to pursue foreign registered cars (I have read that UK residents are now registering their vehicles to their 2nd homes overseas in the knowledge that the UK authorities will give up before they are forced to pay any fines, congestion charges etc), the only people who will pay are the law-abiding majority. As I have said before, the way to stop all this(supposedly) dangerous driving is to put police patrols back on the roads.

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Winston Smith says...
6:11pm Tue 13 Jan 09

"which the vast majority of us in the UK want,"

Please post references to back up this claim. My bet is you can't, because you are lying.

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Techno says...
6:38pm Tue 13 Jan 09

If you are caught breaking the law by a speed camera, which thousands are, you are by definition NOT law abiding. Try not concentrate on what the cameras don't do and lets just relish the success at what they do actually achieve. Catch poor defenseless idiots who don't know how to drive.

You will always have a hard core of losers breaking the law and moaning incessantly about how hard done by they are for having been caught. We see it on TV every week, you'll never have a shortage of out and out idots regardless how many police are on the streets.

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Winston Smith says...
6:43pm Tue 13 Jan 09

Techno, Please post references to back up your claim that "the vast majority of us in the UK want" speed cameras.

If you had said the vast majority of the voices in your head want speed cameras, then I would believe you.

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Ivanna Goodhump says...
6:52pm Tue 13 Jan 09

Winston Smith wrote:
Techno, Please post references to back up your claim that "the vast majority of us in the UK want" speed cameras. If you had said the vast majority of the voices in your head want speed cameras, then I would believe you.
Techno is so risk averse he fills a Risk Assessment form in before he even gets out of bed each morning and he has to see a councillor every time he gets a skid mark in his pants.

He needs to get a hobby or laid or both.

Sad little man - he believes everything thing the Daily Mirror prints.

I bet he's ginger as well ....:)

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Techno says...
7:02pm Tue 13 Jan 09

Now now girls. Since when has respect for the law been a crime! Maybe if you had some respect for law and order you wouldnt be so afraid of it.

As for citing references, I dont need to. If the country didnt want cameras or law enforcement we'd all be up in arms like you trio of old soaks and the cameras would be gone. In fact we only have a small, narrow minded, obsessive bunch of old **** who have obviously been caught by the demon cameras, and have no clue how to avoid it! Try doing what the rest of society does, and obey the law.

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ShipShape says...
7:16pm Tue 13 Jan 09

I think you're just having a wind up.

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Ivanna Goodhump says...
7:17pm Tue 13 Jan 09

Ivanna Goodhump wrote:
Winston Smith wrote: Techno, Please post references to back up your claim that "the vast majority of us in the UK want" speed cameras. If you had said the vast majority of the voices in your head want speed cameras, then I would believe you.
Techno is so risk averse he fills a Risk Assessment form in before he even gets out of bed each morning and he has to see a councillor every time he gets a skid mark in his pants. He needs to get a hobby or laid or both. Sad little man - he believes everything thing the Daily Mirror prints. I bet he's ginger as well ....:)
and he drives a Skoda or Nissan Micra with a nodding dog in the rear window ....

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Winston Smith says...
7:19pm Tue 13 Jan 09

We are campaigning against them.

http://www.speedcame
ras.org/

You still have not posted references to back up your claim that 'the vast majority in the UK' want speed cameras.

I think you are a liar and just posting bullsh!t claims.

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safer says...
7:40pm Tue 13 Jan 09

Some interesting stats here http://www.pocketgps
world.com/1089-speed
-cameras.php including "78% approved of speed cameras’ (up 9 per cent from 2007, but down on the near 90% approval they received in 1999)". The site also has a heated discussion about the A127 cameras http://www.pocketgps
world.com/modules.ph
p?name=Forums&file=v
iewtopic&t=72669

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Techno says...
7:45pm Tue 13 Jan 09

It's easy to wind up a clockowrk orange!

Get over it girls we're watching you.

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Winston Smith says...
7:52pm Tue 13 Jan 09

safer wrote:
Some interesting stats here http://www.pocketgps

world.com/1089-speed

-cameras.php including "78% approved of speed cameras’ (up 9 per cent from 2007, but down on the near 90% approval they received in 1999)". The site also has a heated discussion about the A127 cameras http://www.pocketgps

world.com/modules.ph

p?name=Forums&fi
le=v
iewtopic&t=72669
From the same page:

'Findings from a panel of almost 17,500 AA members shows that almost three quarters of respondents believe that UK roads would be safer if money was spent improving accident black spots rather than on more speed cameras. The poll also indicates that six times as many people want an increase in traffic police rather than more speed cameras.

* 72% thought that road and junction improvements would make the UK's roads safer
* 25% thought more traffic police would make the UK's roads safer
* 4% say that more speed cameras would make the UK's roads safer
'

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Techno says...
7:57pm Tue 13 Jan 09

I would also like to see points given for speeding on more than one occasion in five years resulting in a large increase in insurance premiums. Maybe even a village idiot insurance tax for those particularly dense bad drivers.

Start saving your pennies winston.


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APR says...
9:35pm Tue 13 Jan 09

The result of this will be, over cautious driver going along at 45mph forming a rolling road block.

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Techno says...
9:23am Wed 14 Jan 09

45mph in a 50mph zone is perfectly acceptable and affords a much safer road. Sadly enforcable speed measures are neccesary to protect us from the odd jackass who doesnt know how to drive, and very liekly shouldnt even be on the road anyway.

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APR says...
11:18am Wed 14 Jan 09

45mph in a 50mph zone is perfectly legal, and safe when there is no other traffic about. On a busy road during the rush hour, it is not acceptable, in fact it is dangerous as it causes frustration. It also encourages other drivers to take risks.

We already see this with the existing speed cameras. Drivers going along at 40mph, come up to a (40mph)camera and slow down to 35mph, causing people to brake, and the traffic to bunch up.

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thelonewhinger says...
11:41am Wed 14 Jan 09

Is this "debate" still going?

For my money a decent driver does not need speed limits and should know at least within 5-10 mph what speed they are doing without looking constantly at the speedo. Simple common sense, like driving at a speed relating to road conditions, using mirrors properly, maintaining a sensible gap, indicating and selecting the correct lane early, anticipating hazards ahead, general care and courtesy is all that is needed.

I would argue the short stretch of road from just East of the Weir to just West of the A130 slip is not capable of supporting 70 mph even in perfect conditions due to blind bends, bad camber, petrol station and trade (and travellers!)access unsited slip roads on and off etc. The stats will probably back this up as one of the most accident-prone stretches in Essex.

And another thing - My bible has always been "Motorcycle Roadcraft" published donkey's years ago by H.M. stationary office for traffic police.

Never mind teaching drivers how to "get out of a skid" which we spend thousands on these days. It listed the causes of skids and how to avoid them. Endeavour always to drive as if you had a glass of water balanced on the bonnet which you didn't want to spill. Always worked for me....

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misswiskerson says...
4:04pm Wed 14 Jan 09

I cannot believe this, i drive down this road everyday to work and back, and the situation is already bad, how can this improve matters?
The congestion is going to be terrible.
it just seems the average working joe is getting punished all the time!!!

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Purplekimmy says...
4:05pm Wed 14 Jan 09

If anyone out there ever watches the Road Wars type police shows, you will notice that 99% of the stupid drivers, the ones driving too fast and generally not driving according to the road rules are generally either under the influence of drink, drugs or trying to get away from the police (either for stolen car, theft etc etc). These kind of people are not going to slow down for cameras or speed limits are they? NO!!!
I understand how frustrating it is trying to get to work without being late, whilst trying to stick to the speed limit, avaoiding the 4 x 4's crammed with little cherubs who couldnt possibly walk or cycle to school in the fog! Trying to avoid the Billericay drivers who have to stick at 5/10 miles under the speed limit.
50mph is just stupid, 70mph is acceptable, if you want to drive at 80mph upwards, may you get what is coming to you.
It takes me an hour to drive to Brentwood to Southend every morning because of the 40mph limit at Progress Road, with this new 50mph limit its going to add another 1/2, 3/4 of an hour on top of the journey!!!
Leave the moterists alone and fix the road you keep charging us to use, get rid of the pot holes etc.
Drives me mad!!!

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Purplekimmy says...
4:07pm Wed 14 Jan 09

Also, everyone knows that speed cameras are a waste of time, you slow down for them, them speed up once you have passed them. Thats is more dangerous surely than not having them at all!

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misswiskerson says...
4:38pm Wed 14 Jan 09

They had errected signs everywhere and stuck black tape over the ''50'' part, they have been up for ages.
i to have to drive from Southend to Romford everyday and the A127 makes my journey so stressful and often makes me arrive at work late, despite leaving at least 1 hour before!! I think i will stick to A13 or A12 from now on!!

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the.transporter says...
4:50pm Wed 14 Jan 09

These posts have no purpose but to make me smile, the amount of moaning that goes on yet nothing will happen because the council cannot see past the spin doctors!!

To the taxi driver that thinks this is a good idea, how long will it take for you to get bored with this when you have to slow down to get to the next fare? seen plenty of taxi drivers doing well over the limit in built up areas.

To Techno, how long have you been driving and do you drive past the end of your road?

Drive safe all..

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Techno says...
6:04pm Wed 14 Jan 09

Driving like a lunatic rarely gets the worms to their destination any quicker, but does put the rest of us at risk.

I'll give you a clue if you find you cant get anywhere by driving fast, try driving slowly and leaving earlier. It works for most of us, but then I dont suppose maths or logic are your strongest points.

I relish the prospect of automatic speed limiters in all vehicles. This will also ensure the village idiot types behave themselves. Though we must remember it was these same village idiot types that have forced these draconian measures upon us.

Well done bozo's, a spectacular own goal.

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Old un says...
6:15pm Wed 14 Jan 09

""Drive safe all"" Oh the irony. If you people drove safely we would have no need for cameras in the first place.

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the.transporter says...
7:56pm Wed 14 Jan 09

leave earlier yes that is a good one, think about this one,

Anywhere is within walking distance, if you have the time

Old un you have the right idea, if driving improved then no camera's needed...

Techno, still havent said how long you been driving for,

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Si1 says...
9:55pm Wed 14 Jan 09

Purplekimmy,
Note that they are AVERAGE speed cameras, you cannot speed up and down as they measure your average speed from post to post, so any body that speeds up after passing the cameras and slow for the next one will find a letter and fine on it way through the post.

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APR says...
10:17pm Wed 14 Jan 09

During the rush hour, the lower speed limit shouldn't make any difference to the time it takes to get into Southend. In theory it should shorten the queue to progress road.

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P.J says...
12:08am Thu 15 Jan 09

Average speed more like 15 mph over that stretch of road at peak times so not a problem really. Nanny state strikes again.



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Techno says...
9:09am Thu 15 Jan 09

Some brats need constant nannying. Shame really as it spoils it for the rest of us who know how to drive.

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streetboy75 says...
10:03am Thu 15 Jan 09

i come on the the 127 from the canvey turn off, and this morning this added 15 mins on to my travel time as you only go past one camera at the reduced speed of 50, then its back up to 70 up to the mayflower retail park, but drivers still go 50, as they unsure of what is what, so i think its more of a danger cos cars were breaking all over the place for no reason, so yea the new cameras are great for saftey NOT

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RubyK says...
2:18pm Thu 15 Jan 09

I completely agree with everything Ivanna said. I mainly use the a127 after 8 and traffic flows nicely, when you want to do 70mph like i usually did constantly down there everything run smoothly. Id get to wear i wanted in 10 minutes. When im driving at 2 or 3am i only see 2 or 3 other cars on the road, how are accidents going to happen then?! Sure i see the odd "racerboy" but its not all racerboys, i see grandads in mercedes benz AND TAXI DRIVERS doing a good 80/90 sometimes. At the end of this, i think they should atleast change the speed limit at night so when theres only 5 people using the a127 they can use it without worrying a camera will flash them. It is also true about accidents, sometimes ill realise that i have barely looked at the road in the last 5 minutes and my eyes have been fixed on the speed im going. Seeing as ive just entered my second year of driving its important that i stay below the driving limit or as you may know, 6 points and im banned. So i do concentrate more on my speed, and being a new driver, is that safe?! Some people need to sort this road out before something happens, and i dont mean taking the speed limit down to 20. Wake up council.

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Mary Lou says...
6:19pm Thu 15 Jan 09

It is the volume of traffic which is making people late for work. Removing speed restrictions won't fix that problem. That's why on the M25 they have variable speed limits in the rush hour to keep the flow even. To those commuters who say it puts minutes onto their journey time. I say "you're a long time dead!!"

To RubyK who doesn't look at the road for 5 mins at a time, please let us now when you are out driving.

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thelonewhinger says...
7:18pm Thu 15 Jan 09

Goodness me, it's still going!

Rubyk - 2 years driving and already an expert? So at 3 a.m. on a misty damp morning safe in the knowledge that nobody else could possibly be on the road you come steaming round the bend of the A127 at 70 mph, past the petrol station heading West. Just as you approach the traveller site a bit further on, out comes Paddy in his pickup going after "rabbits" cos nobody else is around at this time ever and whoops, skid, bang - another tree is bruised and you become the umteenth casualty on this stretch.

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APR says...
8:22pm Thu 15 Jan 09

Techno wrote:
Some brats need constant nannying. Shame really as it spoils it for the rest of us who know how to drive.
Thats right.
Then when one of them kills themselves, we get endless posts, telling us what heroes, and top blokes they were.

If this speed restriction prevents that, it will be worth while.

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Winston Smith says...
8:45pm Thu 15 Jan 09

Techno wrote:
Some brats need constant nannying. Shame really as it spoils it for the rest of us who know how to drive.
You are the one advocating cameras on every road, you are the one who wants to increase the nanny State.

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the.transporter says...
10:26pm Thu 15 Jan 09

ok this is boring now, for the people that say yes the camera's are a good idea - you are narrow minded like the government. Yes some people are in desperate need to be nannyed! these the sort of people that have no clue about how to drive in different conditions thinking it is totally safe to do 70 in the snow and pouring rain when you cannot see past the car in front because they are so close to it!! multiple car pile up again...

If camera's are so good why is Swindon dropping them?

thelonewhinger - RubyK after 2 years driving cannot be an expert, you and I know that, but then there are 2 lanes on that corner past the petrol station in case you forgot, but then having said that if you cant slow or stop at 50 or 70 round that bend then I question your driving abilty, or even if you passed your driving test...

news cast in 6 months time, the camera's have been a great success... reality dont tell anyone about the multi car pile ups because people still cant drive..

Still waiting techno - how long you been driving..?

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P.J says...
10:43pm Thu 15 Jan 09

RubyK, Essex says...
2:18pm Thu 15 Jan 09 When im driving at 2 or 3am i only see 2 or 3 other cars on the road, how are accidents going to happen then?! Sure i see the odd "racerboy"


This is the problem ! at this time of night people are in car crashes on this road due to excessive speed. Speeding in daytime lol so congested you cannot go that fast.

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Techno says...
10:59pm Thu 15 Jan 09

It doesnt matter how long I have been driving for. I could spot a **** from the age of 10 and no doubt will still be able to spot them when I'm 110. Whats that got to do with the fact that society needs to nanny the minority of brats that end up killing and maiming us because they are too stupid to drive properly?

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thelonewhinger says...
10:46am Fri 16 Jan 09

Transporter - good attempt at mediation but why spoil the fun?

For wot its worth - driving 45 years on 2 wheels and 4, usually 7 days a week + some circuit racing. Passed both tests 1st time without instruction - smug yes, but true.

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bumper says...
10:55am Fri 16 Jan 09

got to make money .
i would like to think how meany of these cameras would be out there if you only got point and no fines ?
ye you know none ? there just a money making scam .

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the.transporter says...
12:46am Sat 17 Jan 09

Anyone want to start the betting on how long it will be before there is another accident?

Techno just interested in the amount of experience you have on the road, personally I dont think it is that long by some of your comments, yes I have to agree there are some people that need their wings clipped but there has to be a better way, if speed kills how comes motorsport is so widely enjoyed?

Because they are trained drivers I hear people say,

so train people to drive and solve the problem....

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Techno says...
10:53am Sat 17 Jan 09

Lets just say I have been driving since the 1972 at the age of 13 as a bad boy up to today. Cars, trucks, motorbikes, quads,jet skis and powerboats.

Motorsport is a safe sport BECAUSE it is controlled and there are rules that people obey. No comparison to our roads of today where the loonies refuse to obey the rules, and they think they know better than the rest of society.

You wouldnt get away with driving like a loony on a race track, so why should we let you get away with driving like an idiot on the roads?

People are trained to drive proerly, that's what lessons are for. The Highway Code is an excellent book IF we all complied with it. Sadly an increasing minority of ignorant twats who know how to drive properly, actually refuse to do so out of choice. That's why we need to force them to drive in a manner that is safe for the rest of us.

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janeyp says...
12:33am Tue 20 Jan 09

I'm with Ivanna - after 6 months of commuting from Thurrock to Southend, every accident appears to take place during the so-called rush hour when cars are barely moving above 20-30mph anway. I'd like to see the statistics that show how many accidents are caused by speed camera's because, from my experience of driving where speed camera's are in place, I've lost count of how many shunts I've witnessed where people have suddenly slammed the anchors on as they approach a camera.. Speed camera's don't help with the flow of traffic, they just make idiot drivers more dangerous...

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