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Updated: School's policy gets tough on sick pupils
4:00pm Wednesday 6th May 2009 in News By Christine Sexton
No excuses - Fairways Primary School has told parents they must send sick children to school
A SCHOOL has told parents they must send sick kids to class in order for them to develop a “be tough” attitude.
Fairways Primary School, in Leigh, has sent out a letter to parents saying it will administer medicine at school, and that children should persevere if they are only suffering minor illnesses.
The school has defended its policy, which was announced last month, before the swine flu epidemic swept across the country and forced five schools to close.
Last month, Fairways headteacher, Lee Pinchback, warned absence because of illness would no longer automatically be authorised and medical evidence could be requested if a child’s attendance dropped below 90 per cent.
In another letter to parents, Mr Pinchback wrote: “Unlike a lot of schools, staff at Fairways administer Calpol, antibiotics and other medication if brought to the office. We find a child will often be able to get through the day if dosed up.
“Children need to develop a ‘be tough’ attitude and be prepared to persevere if they only have minor ailments.”
The letter to parents says the strict policy is to boost attendance, even though it has consistently been above the national average of 96.4 per cent. If the trend continued, it could have an impact on the Ofsted rating for the school, which missed an outstanding grade by 0.1 per cent at its last inspection.
But despite the threatened flu pandemic, there is no sign of the school backing down on the tough stance.
Rick Edwards, 49, of Woodside, Leigh, was called to attend a meeting with the school last week because his son Harrison had achieved only 77 per cent attendance.
He said: “They are putting a lot of pressure on parents because they seem more concerned about attendance than children’s safety.
“My son has suffered a lot of ill health since contracting meningitis when he was ten months old. He has just had one thing after another, but they warned me he has to go to school even if he has a high temperature.
Southend Council’s head of school improvement, Alan Stubbersfield, backed the school and said it was important for parents to use common sense.
He said: “We have been conducting a well-publicised and successful campaign against truancy, including attendance monitoring, and a “truancy sweep” to target children who were not in school when they should have been.
“As part of this work, letters did go out to parents in some cases instructing them that they should send their children to school if they had only slight ailments.
“These letters were composed and sent before the first reports of swine flu came through.
“It was always recognised that sometimes children are too ill to go to school, and parents have to make a sensible judgment in those cases.”
Comments(75)
RachelF
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9:43am Wed 6 May 09
Winston Smith
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10:54am Wed 6 May 09
If a child of mine came home with a severe illness because the school had forced another child into school while unwell, and if that illness then spread to the rest of my family possibly causing time off work and lost pay, I would sue the school.
VictoriaLS
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11:09am Wed 6 May 09
Mr Pinchback would now deserve to pick up every bug going for such a ridiculous policy!
VANGE LES
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11:21am Wed 6 May 09
Its true that sending sick kids to school is a great way of spreading infectious diseases.
But on the other hand, there are parents who will keep their kids away from school with the slightest sniffle or ache - and this is clearly designed to stop that type of unnecessary abscence.
VANGE LES
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11:23am Wed 6 May 09
Winston Smith wrote:Sue the school, eh?
Forcing kids into school when unwell is a great way to spread disease. If a child of mine came home with a severe illness because the school had forced another child into school while unwell, and if that illness then spread to the rest of my family possibly causing time off work and lost pay, I would sue the school.
It seems that here in Britain we are developing a sue culture just like in the US.
Westie Woman
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11:43am Wed 6 May 09
VictoriaLS wrote:The school, and Mr Pinchback, only advise that children should attend if they have 'minor' ailments. No-one suggests that children should go in if they are really ill. Mr Pinchback deserves recognition (not illness!) for trying to encourage children to attend. In later life it will do them good. Well done Fairways for being tough!
A slight cough or cold with no temperature/fever - then fine - they should go in - but anything more than that - then no I disagree - children should not be forced in to school! Mr Pinchback would now deserve to pick up every bug going for such a ridiculous policy!
LocalBoy
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12:37pm Wed 6 May 09
A "be tough" attitude does not help any of the other pupils when the child who is ill spreads disease or disrupts class because they are having difficulty concentrating.
This headmaster is clearly keen to turn out lots of resilient little units of production for the corporate world put in their glass fronted workhouses.
Me I've not had a day off working in 40 years or illness!
musicmaker
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12:43pm Wed 6 May 09
Soozie
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12:44pm Wed 6 May 09
stanleydarren@dsl.piI agree but only if they are minor illnesses. I've seen parents keep their kids of out school cos little Frankie has a owie boo boo on his cheek. A plaster would have sufficed yet his mum kept him home for 2 days.
pex.com wrote:
I agree with the school. My school sickness record was impeccable and consequently, so is my work one. The children will grow up with the right attitude and not be a skiver in the workplace, therefore putting more pressure on their colleagues
With colds and flu, keep them and the cootie bugs at home.
smee
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12:55pm Wed 6 May 09
CIP
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1:22pm Wed 6 May 09
How does one assess the severity of the child's illness and ensure all other children are kept safe????
A Mum of 2
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1:31pm Wed 6 May 09
tes69
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1:33pm Wed 6 May 09
CIP wrote:Unfortunatly, most illnesses are infectious before the signs appear so would already have been passed on. If my son had Flu of any sort he would hardly be able to move so would keeo him off of school
So if some poor child had swine flu and the parent was not aware and sent the child to school............. How does one assess the severity of the child's illness and ensure all other children are kept safe????
oboeone7
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2:15pm Wed 6 May 09
If a child has a cold it doesn't really warrant spending time off school, however I agree that if a child is ill with say a stomach bug or something similar then time should be spent away from the classroom.
I think the tendancy nowardays is to mollycoddle children.
eyepwithmylittleeye
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2:25pm Wed 6 May 09
A Mum of 2
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2:59pm Wed 6 May 09
LocalBoy wrote:Yes this headmaster is for real he dose have there best intrests at heart and schooling is one of them he too is a dad and takes alot of intrest in his pupils wellbeing and he would be one of the first people to contact the parents if one of his pupils are ill
Is this story for real? If a child is ill they should not be at school. A "be tough" attitude does not help any of the other pupils when the child who is ill spreads disease or disrupts class because they are having difficulty concentrating. This headmaster is clearly keen to turn out lots of resilient little units of production for the corporate world put in their glass fronted workhouses. Me I've not had a day off working in 40 years or illness!
Horace Wimpole
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3:21pm Wed 6 May 09
I would sue the school.Nice. And what, pray, does that achieve? Who *pays* for state education in this country? Thee and me. So suing for such a non-event is a nonsense.
Fair play to the school for such a policy, if applied sensibly.
I'm interested to know what's changed that means this school can give medicine to kids, whereas most schools resolutely refuse to do so on H&S / insurance grounds.
APR
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4:22pm Wed 6 May 09
It's rather silly to keep a child at home just because the little darling has sneezed a couple of times.
I think the teacher is being rather sensible.
If a child is allowed time off school for every tiny ailment, they'll think they can do the same when they go out into the big wide world, and get a job.
Then again,... a lot already do....
SaraJess
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4:54pm Wed 6 May 09
typhoon32
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5:22pm Wed 6 May 09
common sense counter 0.
It said clearly on the BBC the other day after talking to a health official that schools shut down would greatly help the spread of swine flu in schools that have had a diagnosed case.
So kids can go to school ill, that's alright perhaps the headteachers in question would like students to be ill all over them ... I know it sounds crude but seriously it is a bit mad
Rahhhh!
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5:24pm Wed 6 May 09
No one is saying that children should be forced into school if they are seriously ill. What Fairways is saying (and quite rightly) is that children need to be able to adopt a positive attitude to learning and learn that having a day at home for a minor ailment is not going to give them the best of life’s opportunities.
I can tell anyone that has doubts that the supportive environment that Fairways provides for children is second to none. Far from being forced out of their sick beds to come to school children themselves strive to come in everyday because they enjoy attending a school that is focussed on developing the whole child. Fairways turns out children who are well rounded individuals. Children who are a benefit to society because of the education and guidance they receive during their time at Fairways. This is a credit to the head and all the staff.
Well done Mr Pinchback for creating a school that has jumped up through the league tables. Maybe one day the Echo would like to report on this?!
typhoon32
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5:25pm Wed 6 May 09
I meant that schools shut down would greatly decrease the spread of swine flu as well as other diseases.
The_Shnooks
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6:22pm Wed 6 May 09
I have been through this today with my daughters school. She started there in September and to date her attendance has been 77%, they expect it to be at least 93% so decided to send me a letter and call me in for a meeting with the ewo! I dont think so, I dont need telling that my daughter should of been in school, I know this, however, she has had a lot of illness since September, chest infections, lung infection, headlice (the school advises at home for a day to be treated!) she fell off of her pony 3 times and hurt her back, the list is endless bless her. Now they are telling me I should get medical certificates as proof of illness!
One 3 occassions they have sent her home for illness and twice for having "the wrong shoes on"
I will not send any child of mine to school if they are ill. If they feel bad they wont learn effectively. The schools and ewo's need to get on to the people that actively keep there children at home and not the ones who have sickly children.
eyepwithmylittleeye
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6:30pm Wed 6 May 09
Yay for Rahhhh! someone is speaking sense at last !!
eyepwithmylittleeye
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6:35pm Wed 6 May 09
And this comment is a little harsh I think........
A Mum of 2
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7:12pm Wed 6 May 09
Rahhhh! wrote:well said i totally agree with everything you have said since Mr Pinchback has taken over the whole school has improved WELL DONE to all the staff whom make this school a happy place for our children to be even if they do have a siff or two
Again another opportunity to have a go at education! It seems to me that on slow news day two things never fail to surface in the media; schools and the NHS. Today it is the turn of a hard working head teacher and a school that encourages children to enjoy coming to school and improve their learning that is getting hit. No one is saying that children should be forced into school if they are seriously ill. What Fairways is saying (and quite rightly) is that children need to be able to adopt a positive attitude to learning and learn that having a day at home for a minor ailment is not going to give them the best of life’s opportunities. I can tell anyone that has doubts that the supportive environment that Fairways provides for children is second to none. Far from being forced out of their sick beds to come to school children themselves strive to come in everyday because they enjoy attending a school that is focussed on developing the whole child. Fairways turns out children who are well rounded individuals. Children who are a benefit to society because of the education and guidance they receive during their time at Fairways. This is a credit to the head and all the staff. Well done Mr Pinchback for creating a school that has jumped up through the league tables. Maybe one day the Echo would like to report on this?!
_JAFF_
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7:41pm Wed 6 May 09
_JAFF_
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7:54pm Wed 6 May 09
typhoon32
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7:56pm Wed 6 May 09
eyepwithmylittleeye wrote:Yes it may be, I'm not saying all headteachers though, I'm meaning the small minority or perhaps just the one the echo is talking about.
So kids can go to school ill, that's alright perhaps the headteachers in question would like students to be ill all over them ... I know it sounds crude but seriously it is a bit mad..............
And this comment is a little harsh I think........
It is a bit overpowering, I know that some people are brought up not tough at all, slightest cough, quick Ambulance.. but there are genuine reasons most of the time
Westie Woman
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7:58pm Wed 6 May 09
Soozie
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8:03pm Wed 6 May 09
Westie Woman
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8:03pm Wed 6 May 09
typhoon32 wrote:Do you know the headteacher concerned? I do. It is only the 'cough, quick, Ambulance' brigade that he is talking about, not those who are genuinely ill.
eyepwithmylittleeye wrote: So kids can go to school ill, that's alright perhaps the headteachers in question would like students to be ill all over them ... I know it sounds crude but seriously it is a bit mad.............. And this comment is a little harsh I think........Yes it may be, I'm not saying all headteachers though, I'm meaning the small minority or perhaps just the one the echo is talking about. It is a bit overpowering, I know that some people are brought up not tough at all, slightest cough, quick Ambulance.. but there are genuine reasons most of the time
_JAFF_
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8:04pm Wed 6 May 09
Soozie
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8:04pm Wed 6 May 09
_JAFF_
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8:04pm Wed 6 May 09
Westie Woman
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8:05pm Wed 6 May 09
Soozie wrote:Well siad Soozie
Well judging by the posts on here from some, you deffo need to send your kids to school, sick or not becauae your English, spelling and grammar is foul.
Westie Woman
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8:07pm Wed 6 May 09
Westie Woman wrote:Oops! Said
Soozie wrote: Well judging by the posts on here from some, you deffo need to send your kids to school, sick or not becauae your English, spelling and grammar is foul.Well siad Soozie
typhoon32
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8:09pm Wed 6 May 09
JAZZ has made a good point, if that child had meningitis I don't quite understand why (if they did)the school should complain and why others have the right to either.
_JAFF_
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8:10pm Wed 6 May 09
Come on genuine real people who care about their kids
GIVE ME SOME BACK UP
Some people just stupid
(any spelling accepted)
typhoon32
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8:12pm Wed 6 May 09
_JAFF_ wrote:Sorry I meant _JEFF_ not JAZZ in my recent post
SOME SUPPORT PLEASE
Come on genuine real people who care about their kids
GIVE ME SOME BACK UP
Some people just stupid
(any spelling accepted)
Soozie
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8:13pm Wed 6 May 09
Westie Woman wrote:LOL, I know what you meant - we are all allowed a boo boo.
Westie Woman wrote:Oops! SaidSoozie wrote: Well judging by the posts on here from some, you deffo need to send your kids to school, sick or not becauae your English, spelling and grammar is foul.Well siad Soozie
Soozie
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8:20pm Wed 6 May 09
_JAFF_ wrote:Hope your kid is doing better in the spelling and grammar department than y0u mate. Yessshhhh - it makes me cringe.
I have a child at Fairways Primary School. I know the parent conserned well. He loves his child and takes his childs attendance seriously. Nevertheless the child has been prone to illness throughout his life and had suffered with Meningitis and Septicaemia at 10 months. It is a life long worry to see your child close to death. Meningitis is uncommon and can sometimes reflect a low resistance in the individuals immune system. This parent had recently nursed his child through several illnesses and the child was prescribed antibiotics and had suffered with high temperature. Every time the child was sick he attended the local doctors. Doctors records were given volentarily to the school but nevertheless the parent had still been called to attend a meeting with the local authority attendance officer and head teacher and secretary. He had three other persons without any medical qualifications questioning him over his sons well being and giving medical advice. Sorry it's not right and it is purely based on attendance matters and ''gradings'' given to the school for attendance by Ofsted. Children should not be sent to school with high temperatures or if they are genuinely sick. The school is concerned ONLY about attendance figures and not the well being of the child itself. I dont know about anyone else but I would much prefer a living stupid child than a dead clever one. NO nobody wants the child off sick and nobody wants their child to have poor attendance. Bottom line all kids get sick, some more than others. Some worse than others. ANY decision a parent should make to keep their child at home must be based purely on the childs health and not on any ''grading'' that may or indeed may not be awarded to Fairways Primary School'' It is a shame that speaking to other parents who are indeed of the same view as the father in the article do not speak up for themselves. Someone has to say something. They are our kids after all!!
_JAFF_
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8:23pm Wed 6 May 09
whoopie
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8:38pm Wed 6 May 09
cough cough
whoopie
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8:38pm Wed 6 May 09
cough cough
Westie Woman
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8:59pm Wed 6 May 09
_JAFF_ wrote:Isn't this getting away from the point just a bit. Personal attacks are not appropriate or particularly relevant to the issue under discussion.
Yeah the guys just such a dick. I think some of the other mums just like him because he's a baldie! Anyone here blonde and called Amanda?
Rahhhh!
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9:20pm Wed 6 May 09
Surely at the heart of this matter is the education young children are getting. That is what schools are there to provide – an education (contrary to what the media would have you believe about a schools role in society) and Fairways, under the strong leadership of Mr Pinchback, provides an excellent education as has been proven.
Comments about this issue should not be getting personal. Suggestions that any member of school staff should ‘catch bugs’ for encouraging children, who are well enough to be school, to come to school is ridiculous.
Again I repeat my comments from my post earlier. Well done. Fairways is a great school to be part of.
musicmaker
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9:42pm Wed 6 May 09
Well said Rah!!!! I completely agree. The school provides an excellent education with standards which are rising. The link between regular school attendance and learning is well documented. Apart from this, children who are frequently off school miss out on fun and time with their friends which is another essential element of school life. As for the school policy, many schools operate in the same way as Fairways.
_JAFF_
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9:59pm Wed 6 May 09
Well I think Fairways is an ok school. I think that Mr Pinchback is probably an ok guy.
BUT once again ''I repeat my comments'' any decision a parent should make to keep a child at home should be based purely on the childs health and not on any ''grading'' that may or indeed may not be awarded to Fairways Primary School'' That is my belief and you are indeed entitled to disagree. it is your right. So is it the right for any person to express their feelings to the media without critisism. Or indeed make an error of spelling without stupid comments. But there. Such is the society we live in. Nevertheless we all can at least enjoy freedom of speech. I do not think their are any medically trained practitioners in this forum but nevertheless making comment based on their experiences with their own children the same as the father of the child in the article. He has only wished to seek protection for his childs health. He has correctly seeked the council of his GB yet is seemingly being mislead by those who although are in a position of authority but lack medical knowledge. Most peculiar!??
fairways mum
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10:06pm Wed 6 May 09
_JAFF_
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10:17pm Wed 6 May 09
But he has parental responsibility for his own children not ours. Tell me if your child was 'genuinely sick' and had been to the doctors after you'd been up all night and they had been given antibiotics by the doctor in the morning. Would you appreciate the school calling you luch time suggesting you bring the child in in the afternoon. Well Fairways do!! Thay cannot tell you to dose up your children and bring them in over the phone. They cannot see how the child looks and feels. Come on take off those rose coloured glasses everyone ..... yes they are ok at the school. BUT they are wrong and it needs to be addressed!
_JAFF_
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11:17pm Wed 6 May 09
goodnight musicmaker, Leigh-on-Sea. I believe it is also well doccumented the link between sickness and death....... goodnight Rahhhh!, Eastwood. keep up the anger management purrrrrrr!........ goodnight Soozie, Southend....... thanks for your input. Who needs a spellchekker wiv you around?..........goo
dnight Horace Wimpole........I am ''good parenting''
itself. and goodnight typhoon32, Southend. Kinda thought you was with me there then ya lost it. Sorry was wanting to jazz it up a little! and goodnight A Mum of 2, Leigh on sea ..... you just sound kind of nice. Perhaps Mr P might find you some gardening jobs in his new swimming pool thingy! yes sorry whoopie southend, he got new ideas for the swimming pool ... they gonna fill it full of furniture and stuff. Ask A mum of 2. sure she'll fill you in (no pun) Nite All xx
Nebs
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1:07am Thu 7 May 09
Winston Smith
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7:33am Thu 7 May 09
If the school are indeed phoning parents at midday and suggesting they bring their sick child into school that afternoon, then that is a step too far. JAFF is correct that in that instance the school would have no idea of the condition of the child.
eyepwithmylittleeye
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7:36am Thu 7 May 09
Maybe if there was noy so much pressure on schools about attendance eh ?? I think you need to be moaning to 'those higher in the Education world' it is not the schools fault or Mr Pinchback's that he has to reach a certain percentage of pupils attending Fairways, go and moan at someone from the LEA and leave Fairways school alone!!!!
eyepwithmylittleeye
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8:29am Thu 7 May 09
eyepwithmylittleeye
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8:30am Thu 7 May 09
A Mum of 2
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9:58am Thu 7 May 09
Westie Woman wrote:IM NOT BLONDE OR CALLED AMANDA BUT I THINK MR PINCHBACK HAS WORKED WONDERS WITH THE SCHOOL AND IF YOU DIAGREE WITH THE WAY MR PINCHBACK RUNS THE SCHOOL WHY ARE YOU STILL THERE now get back to the subject concerned
_JAFF_ wrote: Yeah the guys just such a dick. I think some of the other mums just like him because he's a baldie! Anyone here blonde and called Amanda?Isn't this getting away from the point just a bit. Personal attacks are not appropriate or particularly relevant to the issue under discussion.
A Mum of 2
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9:59am Thu 7 May 09
Westie Woman wrote:IM NOT BLONDE OR CALLED AMANDA BUT I THINK MR PINCHBACK HAS WORKED WONDERS WITH THE SCHOOL AND IF YOU DIAGREE WITH THE WAY MR PINCHBACK RUNS THE SCHOOL WHY ARE YOU STILL THERE now get back to the subject concerned
_JAFF_ wrote: Yeah the guys just such a dick. I think some of the other mums just like him because he's a baldie! Anyone here blonde and called Amanda?Isn't this getting away from the point just a bit. Personal attacks are not appropriate or particularly relevant to the issue under discussion.
eyepwithmylittleeye
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10:00am Thu 7 May 09
10:06pm Wed 6 May 09
As i have a daughter at fairways i have nothing but praise for the school. I totaly agree with the policy and i think this has all been blown out of all proportion, wouldn't it have been nice for the echo to have got the schools veiw on this, as well so that this is not a biased opinon. Also the people that are throwing a personal attack at the head master need to grow up. Lastley i attended an informal meeting with the head and other parents this week discussing our children strangley there were only about 15 parents that attended !! but what i would say is that Mr Pinchback is the most approachable , in offensive head i have ever known. One final word is that i don't think that there are many heads in the area that would be stood out in the playground first thing in the morning telling the reception children how well they are doing and how grown up they are that they are going into class without there parents. This man is also a parent himself and i don't think he is asking us to do anything that he would not deem to be doing with his own children. It's about time we gave our support and stopped criticising
Ah ....someone who appreciates all the hard work and effort Mr Pinchback and his staff make to the children of Fairways, :O)
bbcfivelive
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11:32am Thu 7 May 09
eyepwithmylittleeye
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12:15pm Thu 7 May 09
typhoon32
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1:56pm Thu 7 May 09
Did they argue on there too and launch childish complaints at each other about Blonde women and everything else.
Funny though the BBC want to help make the fire even hotter as per normal,
I like 5 live however, really it is the only BBC radio station that I may listen to.... as you can tell I have a personal dislike with the BBC.
Any yes _JAFF_ I was supporting you
typhoon32
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1:56pm Thu 7 May 09
Did they argue on there too and launch childish complaints at each other about Blonde women and everything else.
Funny though the BBC want to help make the fire even hotter as per normal,
I like 5 live however, really it is the only BBC radio station that I may listen to.... as you can tell I have a personal dislike with the BBC.
Any yes _JAFF_ I was supporting you
_JAFF_
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8:47pm Thu 7 May 09
Yes 22 May. Another teacher training day at Fairways school. Can't for the life of me understand why as there is sucha big deal on attendance matters they can still close the school to ALL pupils when there are extensive school holidays in which any such teaching could be carried out!
Like the week after!! Suppose the school will also close to the pupils
for the next strike action because of pay like on 24/04/2008. What is it this time....10% for being a teacher that you can become with only 6 months training nowadays!
LesleySouthend
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9:33pm Thu 7 May 09
_JAFF_
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12:23am Fri 8 May 09
_JAFF_
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12:24am Fri 8 May 09
_JAFF_
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1:59am Fri 8 May 09
typhoon32, Southend Thankyou so much. We only little alone and it's tough out there at the moment.
LesleySouthend, Southend on Sea Once again well done. I think we should maybe go down that route and push for him to resign. He does appear to be a tyrant after all and even though so may people seem to be so kissy kissy towards him. If he's getting heat from higher authority then he should be man enough to make the right decisions. This is a special needs school and this little boy needs help and understanding. That's all. He will grow out of it as he get bigger......
mpgrays
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4:36pm Sun 10 May 09
?? two bob generation!!!!
_JAFF_
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9:54pm Sun 10 May 09
eyepwithmylittleeye
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3:50pm Mon 11 May 09
Training days are set for specific reasons, teachers cannot train in 6 months- a year is the shortest time you can train to be a teacher in, and if the government and LEA decide things you cant just be ' man or lady enough' to make the right decisions, you are just told to do stuff sometimes......get with it, don;'t comment on stuff you know absolutely nothing about or do your homework before mouthing off on here because you have a bee in your bonnet about something !!!!!
Nebs
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1:12pm Tue 12 May 09
_JAFF_
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4:44pm Fri 15 May 09
Anyway, sorry and yes I could always be wrong. BUT from a laymans point of view lets say. ''Considering'' the long holidays that teachers enjoy and ''considering'' they want more money.
Does kind of make sense that they could maybe instead of closing the school for additional training days (does not make them actually seem very good needing it)Maybe they could work withing the holidays and there would be more school term days which would benefit the childrens education. 'Happy Days'
Hey Nebs Westcliff you sound really civil and nice. Some people are just rude. Yes you were right 6 months! Cheers!!
Westie Woman says...
8:57am Wed 6 May 09