Updated: Voters call on MP Amess to explain expenses claims

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MORE than 90 per cent of voters approached by the Echo in MP David Amess’s constituency are urging him to come clean and explain his expenses claims.

On Wednesday, the Echo challenged Mr Amess on the campaign trail in the wake of revelations he claimed the maximum of £400 for food every month for the past four years.

Since the expenses story broke, the Echo has repeatedly tried to contact Mr Amess, but he has declined to talk to us about the issue.

Mr Amess’s claims for food are part of his second home allowance. For the past four years, he has claimed more than £20,000 a year under the allowance towards the running of his second home.

Yesterday the Echo carried out a poll on the streets of his Southend West constituency.

We asked whether Mr Amess should call a public meeting to tell his constituents why he spent the money and explain the rest of his taxpayer-funded allowances.

Ninety per cent of the 112 people we spoke to said he should.

Five per cent said no and five per cent were undecided.

There was anger on the streets about the revelations and the way Mr Amess and other MPs have conducted themselves.

The elder statesman of Southend politics, former Conservative MP Sir Teddy Taylor, was reluctant to comment on the issue affecting one of his former colleagues.

He said: “In the horrible situation facing MPs now, I feel the best thing is for everyone to be completely open and to not try and hide. I think it would be wrong to say anything further and it is up to the Southend West Conservative Association to look after its own affairs.”

MP avoids questions over expenses by running into hairdressers

MP DAVID Amess ran from the Echo to avoid questions after his expenses showed he claimed the maximum of £400 for food every month for the past four years.

The Tory MP sought refuge in a hairdressers’ as he tried to duck the issue.

He eventually made his escape when a car arrived at the salon in Westcliff and drove him away, with Mr Amess hiding his face behind a leaflet.

The Southend West MP’s extraordinary actions came after it emerged he claimed the maximum £19,000 on expenses for food over the past four years.

The cash is on top of his salary of £64,766.

Mr Amess has refused to answer or return phone calls about the expenses affair, so the Echo tracked him down while he was out canvassing in Westborough ward in Westcliff.

When approached by the Echo, Mr Amess, who had been talking to a constituent in the street, turned on his heel and crossed the road.

As he walked away and was being questioned, he said: “Thank you for the opportunity, but I don’t want to comment.”

Shielded by Southend Tory councillor Jason Luty and a female member of his Westminster office staff and another Conservative member, Mr Amess went into Regency hairdressers’, in Westborough Road, where the woman with the group slammed the door in our face.

He spent half an hour in the salon drinking tea, before a car pulled up and he jumped in to avoid talking to the Echo further.

Staff and a customer at the salon were more willing to talk to the Echo.

They said Mr Amess had explained to them we wanted to talk to him about expenses and he admitted claiming for a second home.

One customer, who did not want to be named, but lives in Milton ward, said: “He should explain himself. Running like that makes it looks worse.

“All the MPs should be exposed for what they are. They get a salary and that should be enough. They should live off of that, like the rest of us do. It’s such a scandal.”

Manager of the salon, Lisa Haggerty, said: “I know Mr Amess and he has helped me out in the past. He’s always very helpful and hard working.

“If the money is for taking people to lunch or tea for constituents when they visit his surgery, that’s fine. If you work for a big firm you get an expenses account and so should MPs.”

But Sylvia Fry, 78, of Glenwood Avenue, Westcliff, said: “I’m rapidly going off him.

“The whole aspect of expenses makes me very cross. It’s not fair. Why should we have to pay for food and not MPs? I understand they must do a certain amount of entertaining, but not that much.

“He should come forward and explain himself.

“Some have definitely abused the system. If they weren’t MPs they would be on trial for it.”

Another pensioner from Westcliff, who didn’t want to be named, added: “I don’t agree with any of it whatever party they are.

“I don’t think they should have expenses.

“They should use a hostel or hotel or commute to London like ordinary people do.

“I’ve always voted Conservative, but now I have my doubts. I just don’t know what to do for the best.”

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7:18am Thu 28 May 09

Soozie says...

When the Echo tried to quiz him on the claim, while he was out canvassing in Westcliff, he run away from us and hid in a hairdressers.

Creep - and coward.
When the Echo tried to quiz him on the claim, while he was out canvassing in Westcliff, he run away from us and hid in a hairdressers. Creep - and coward. Soozie

7:37am Thu 28 May 09

SARFENDMAN says...

Seems this little local piggie had an expensive taste in high quality trough food at our expense..oink! oink! One for the slaughter at the next election? I sadly doubt it in his safe seat.
Seems this little local piggie had an expensive taste in high quality trough food at our expense..oink! oink! One for the slaughter at the next election? I sadly doubt it in his safe seat. SARFENDMAN

7:55am Thu 28 May 09

Francis Grubb says...

To be fair to Amess, someone for whom I have no time at all, the man’s not actually broken a law or twisted the arcane rules to his advantage to profit massively or claim for an extravagance such as a duck island; not in this case at least. He’s claimed for food to which he was ‘entitled’ under this crazy, bizarre set of rules that they must radically overhaul ASAP to retain their credibility; I think there is a difference.

However, he’s done himself no favours by pathetically running away from the Echo reporter & not having the bottle to take this opportunity to explain himself. To me, this just sums him up as the political lightweight he’s always seemed to be…

Frank

To be fair to Amess, someone for whom I have no time at all, the man’s not actually broken a law or twisted the arcane rules to his advantage to profit massively or claim for an extravagance such as a duck island; not in this case at least. He’s claimed for food to which he was ‘entitled’ under this crazy, bizarre set of rules that they must radically overhaul ASAP to retain their credibility; I think there is a difference. However, he’s done himself no favours by pathetically running away from the Echo reporter & not having the bottle to take this opportunity to explain himself. To me, this just sums him up as the political lightweight he’s always seemed to be… Frank Francis Grubb

8:01am Thu 28 May 09

Soozie says...

So, he cannot buy food out of his wages? How come we can yet he has to eat on our dime?

400 quid a month ios a lot of food.

When he ducked into the hairdressers, should have done himself a favour and got his hair cut - blurg!
So, he cannot buy food out of his wages? How come we can yet he has to eat on our dime? 400 quid a month ios a lot of food. When he ducked into the hairdressers, should have done himself a favour and got his hair cut - blurg! Soozie

8:42am Thu 28 May 09

j-w says...

the florist has her hair done and then goes to pay.

"I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week".

"Well thank you" says the florist and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 roses sat on the step, waiting for the hairdresser when she arrives to work.

Tuesday - a butcher goes into the hairdressers and has his hair done and then goes to pay.

"I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week".

"Well thank you" says the butcher and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 doughnuts sat on the step, waiting for the hairdresser when she arrives to work.

Wednesday - an MP goes into the hairdressers and has his hair done and then goes to pay.

"I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week".

"Well thank you" says the MP and leaves the shop.

Next day there's 12 MPs waiting on her step :-)
the florist has her hair done and then goes to pay. "I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week". "Well thank you" says the florist and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 roses sat on the step, waiting for the hairdresser when she arrives to work. Tuesday - a butcher goes into the hairdressers and has his hair done and then goes to pay. "I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week". "Well thank you" says the butcher and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 doughnuts sat on the step, waiting for the hairdresser when she arrives to work. Wednesday - an MP goes into the hairdressers and has his hair done and then goes to pay. "I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week". "Well thank you" says the MP and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 MPs waiting on her step :-) j-w

8:44am Thu 28 May 09

j-w says...

i should have edited the joke before i pasted in, the butcher should read baker or the doughnuts should read sausages! :-)
i should have edited the joke before i pasted in, the butcher should read baker or the doughnuts should read sausages! :-) j-w

9:06am Thu 28 May 09

SARFENDMAN says...

j-w wrote:
the florist has her hair done and then goes to pay. "I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week". "Well thank you" says the florist and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 roses sat on the step, waiting for the hairdresser when she arrives to work. Tuesday - a butcher goes into the hairdressers and has his hair done and then goes to pay. "I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week". "Well thank you" says the butcher and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 doughnuts sat on the step, waiting for the hairdresser when she arrives to work. Wednesday - an MP goes into the hairdressers and has his hair done and then goes to pay. "I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week". "Well thank you" says the MP and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 MPs waiting on her step :-)
You too listen to Ken Bruce in the morning on BBC Radio 2?
[quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: the florist has her hair done and then goes to pay. "I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week". "Well thank you" says the florist and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 roses sat on the step, waiting for the hairdresser when she arrives to work. Tuesday - a butcher goes into the hairdressers and has his hair done and then goes to pay. "I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week". "Well thank you" says the butcher and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 doughnuts sat on the step, waiting for the hairdresser when she arrives to work. Wednesday - an MP goes into the hairdressers and has his hair done and then goes to pay. "I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week". "Well thank you" says the MP and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 MPs waiting on her step :-)[/p][/quote]You too listen to Ken Bruce in the morning on BBC Radio 2? SARFENDMAN

9:09am Thu 28 May 09

leighbloke says...

Just how pathetic is this political lightweight?He will be accountable at the ballot box like all the other politicians with snouts in the trough.Sadly I agree there are just too many Tories in Southend who will blindly vote for him...and he knows it.
I cant believe he hid in a hairdressers..this could be a good fun story for the nationals.
What a rotten MP we have.
Just how pathetic is this political lightweight?He will be accountable at the ballot box like all the other politicians with snouts in the trough.Sadly I agree there are just too many Tories in Southend who will blindly vote for him...and he knows it. I cant believe he hid in a hairdressers..this could be a good fun story for the nationals. What a rotten MP we have. leighbloke

9:58am Thu 28 May 09

jayman says...

do you think he had his hair dyed as a disguise? a spray tan perhapse "oh yes im being chased by the local press and i need to look like a commoner to escape there attention"....."oh the bill em hear is my parliament gold card"
do you think he had his hair dyed as a disguise? a spray tan perhapse "oh yes im being chased by the local press and i need to look like a commoner to escape there attention"....."oh the bill em hear is my parliament gold card" jayman

10:21am Thu 28 May 09

margrete says...

SARFENDMAN wrote:
j-w wrote:
the florist has her hair done and then goes to pay. "I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week". "Well thank you" says the florist and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 roses sat on the step, waiting for the hairdresser when she arrives to work. Tuesday - a butcher goes into the hairdressers and has his hair done and then goes to pay. "I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week". "Well thank you" says the butcher and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 doughnuts sat on the step, waiting for the hairdresser when she arrives to work. Wednesday - an MP goes into the hairdressers and has his hair done and then goes to pay. "I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week". "Well thank you" says the MP and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 MPs waiting on her step :-)
You too listen to Ken Bruce in the morning on BBC Radio 2?
No, this joke is also circulating on the internet. More people log on than listen to Radio 2!
[quote][p][bold]SARFENDMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: the florist has her hair done and then goes to pay. "I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week". "Well thank you" says the florist and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 roses sat on the step, waiting for the hairdresser when she arrives to work. Tuesday - a butcher goes into the hairdressers and has his hair done and then goes to pay. "I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week". "Well thank you" says the butcher and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 doughnuts sat on the step, waiting for the hairdresser when she arrives to work. Wednesday - an MP goes into the hairdressers and has his hair done and then goes to pay. "I cannot accept any money" says the hairdresser, "I'm on community service this week". "Well thank you" says the MP and leaves the shop. Next day there's 12 MPs waiting on her step :-)[/p][/quote]You too listen to Ken Bruce in the morning on BBC Radio 2?[/p][/quote]No, this joke is also circulating on the internet. More people log on than listen to Radio 2! margrete

10:28am Thu 28 May 09

Soozie says...

You know, this MP looks like a shyster ....he has that smarmy look of a used car salesman called 'Honest John'
You know, this MP looks like a shyster ....he has that smarmy look of a used car salesman called 'Honest John' Soozie

11:18am Thu 28 May 09

TheWizzard says...

Another mp to bite the dust then
Another mp to bite the dust then TheWizzard

11:35am Thu 28 May 09

colourzoom says...

Amess is a vile politician and he couldn't care less about Southend or his constituents. Amess once canvassed my dad, but ran away from his doorstep as soon as Dad tried to talk politics.

But what's the turnout in Southend at election time? I seem to recall that something like only 3 or 4 out of ten people in the borough bothered to vote last time, and the majority of those are probably Tories who are so wealthy they will all vote Tory rather than let in another MP who might rock the boat.

If my fellow Southenders got off their corpulent backsides and voted at elections, we could have got rid of this idiot MP years ago. Southend therefore collectively deserves the appalling MP it's got - it's just a shame that we all have to suffer as a result of their apathy.

Exercise your right to vote in elections and make something happen. As the song goes: if you tolerate this, then your children will be next.
Amess is a vile politician and he couldn't care less about Southend or his constituents. Amess once canvassed my dad, but ran away from his doorstep as soon as Dad tried to talk politics. But what's the turnout in Southend at election time? I seem to recall that something like only 3 or 4 out of ten people in the borough bothered to vote last time, and the majority of those are probably Tories who are so wealthy they will all vote Tory rather than let in another MP who might rock the boat. If my fellow Southenders got off their corpulent backsides and voted at elections, we could have got rid of this idiot MP years ago. Southend therefore collectively deserves the appalling MP it's got - it's just a shame that we all have to suffer as a result of their apathy. Exercise your right to vote in elections and make something happen. As the song goes: if you tolerate this, then your children will be next. colourzoom

11:36am Thu 28 May 09

leighbloke says...

we all know that David Amess likes to run. We can remember when he went on the chicken run from Basildon back in 97.
Could he just run away this time?
we all know that David Amess likes to run. We can remember when he went on the chicken run from Basildon back in 97. Could he just run away this time? leighbloke

11:51am Thu 28 May 09

andyh says...

Hmmm ... £400 per month is about £20 per working day. That won't pay for a reasonable lunch + dinner in London, never mind the cost of coffees etc.
It IS a lot of money, but I'm not so confident that it is outrageous.
Hmmm ... £400 per month is about £20 per working day. That won't pay for a reasonable lunch + dinner in London, never mind the cost of coffees etc. It IS a lot of money, but I'm not so confident that it is outrageous. andyh

12:39pm Thu 28 May 09

lfsouthend says...

With 5 children, i don't think that £100 a week is unreasonable, how ridiculous!!!
With 5 children, i don't think that £100 a week is unreasonable, how ridiculous!!! lfsouthend

1:09pm Thu 28 May 09

Partyboy2 says...

lfsouthend wrote:
With 5 children, i don't think that £100 a week is unreasonable, how ridiculous!!!
I agree, I easily spend that a month on food however it does come out of my own pocket! Why should he use our money to feed himself?
[quote][p][bold]lfsouthend[/bold] wrote: With 5 children, i don't think that £100 a week is unreasonable, how ridiculous!!![/p][/quote]I agree, I easily spend that a month on food however it does come out of my own pocket! Why should he use our money to feed himself? Partyboy2

1:10pm Thu 28 May 09

Radar Ears says...

lfsouthend wrote:
With 5 children, i don't think that £100 a week is unreasonable, how ridiculous!!!

It darn well is !

Everyone else has to feed their kids with money FROM their salary, not get extra ON TOP of their salary.

He wanted to be a bloody MP, it's his job, just like most of have our jobs to pay our way in life.

He chose to be in politics, no-one railroaded him into it, did they.

Therefore, he should cough up and pay his own bills from his gigantic £64,766 yearly wage.
[quote][p][bold]lfsouthend[/bold] wrote: With 5 children, i don't think that £100 a week is unreasonable, how ridiculous!!![/p][/quote] It darn well is ! Everyone else has to feed their kids with money FROM their salary, not get extra ON TOP of their salary. He wanted to be a bloody MP, it's his job, just like most of have our jobs to pay our way in life. He chose to be in politics, no-one railroaded him into it, did they. Therefore, he should cough up and pay his own bills from his gigantic £64,766 yearly wage. Radar Ears

1:32pm Thu 28 May 09

Mark D says...

Radar Ears wrote:
lfsouthend wrote: With 5 children, i don't think that £100 a week is unreasonable, how ridiculous!!!
It darn well is ! Everyone else has to feed their kids with money FROM their salary, not get extra ON TOP of their salary. He wanted to be a bloody MP, it's his job, just like most of have our jobs to pay our way in life. He chose to be in politics, no-one railroaded him into it, did they. Therefore, he should cough up and pay his own bills from his gigantic £64,766 yearly wage.
I also agree it seems unreasonable. My understanding is that the food allowance is to cover additional expenses that are incurred while doing his duties as an MP - not to subsidise his family's eating habits. Who knows, maybe he has a reasonable explanation, but for the time being his silence speaks volumes...
[quote][p][bold]Radar Ears[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lfsouthend[/bold] wrote: With 5 children, i don't think that £100 a week is unreasonable, how ridiculous!!![/p][/quote] It darn well is ! Everyone else has to feed their kids with money FROM their salary, not get extra ON TOP of their salary. He wanted to be a bloody MP, it's his job, just like most of have our jobs to pay our way in life. He chose to be in politics, no-one railroaded him into it, did they. Therefore, he should cough up and pay his own bills from his gigantic £64,766 yearly wage.[/p][/quote]I also agree it seems unreasonable. My understanding is that the food allowance is to cover additional expenses that are incurred while doing his duties as an MP - not to subsidise his family's eating habits. Who knows, maybe he has a reasonable explanation, but for the time being his silence speaks volumes... Mark D

1:39pm Thu 28 May 09

Soozie says...

Mark D wrote:
Radar Ears wrote:
lfsouthend wrote: With 5 children, i don't think that £100 a week is unreasonable, how ridiculous!!!
It darn well is ! Everyone else has to feed their kids with money FROM their salary, not get extra ON TOP of their salary. He wanted to be a bloody MP, it's his job, just like most of have our jobs to pay our way in life. He chose to be in politics, no-one railroaded him into it, did they. Therefore, he should cough up and pay his own bills from his gigantic £64,766 yearly wage.
I also agree it seems unreasonable. My understanding is that the food allowance is to cover additional expenses that are incurred while doing his duties as an MP - not to subsidise his family's eating habits. Who knows, maybe he has a reasonable explanation, but for the time being his silence speaks volumes...
I also believe that these expenses have some sort of restrictions, i.e. you have to be gone over 10 hours from home and leave before a certain time each morning.

I'd like to know if he claims this money even when the MPS are off for the summer. As in every month of the year.
[quote][p][bold]Mark D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Radar Ears[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lfsouthend[/bold] wrote: With 5 children, i don't think that £100 a week is unreasonable, how ridiculous!!![/p][/quote] It darn well is ! Everyone else has to feed their kids with money FROM their salary, not get extra ON TOP of their salary. He wanted to be a bloody MP, it's his job, just like most of have our jobs to pay our way in life. He chose to be in politics, no-one railroaded him into it, did they. Therefore, he should cough up and pay his own bills from his gigantic £64,766 yearly wage.[/p][/quote]I also agree it seems unreasonable. My understanding is that the food allowance is to cover additional expenses that are incurred while doing his duties as an MP - not to subsidise his family's eating habits. Who knows, maybe he has a reasonable explanation, but for the time being his silence speaks volumes... [/p][/quote]I also believe that these expenses have some sort of restrictions, i.e. you have to be gone over 10 hours from home and leave before a certain time each morning. I'd like to know if he claims this money even when the MPS are off for the summer. As in every month of the year. Soozie

1:40pm Thu 28 May 09

AC says...

But that's the job though. Plenty of people are lucky enough to be able to claim expenses. I suspect that the reporters on the Echo will be able to put in claims for food when they are away from home.

Someone said that a vote for the BNP is the only solution except that the BNP are renowned for claiming expenses, even in Council seats which they don't bother to sit in.

It's human nature sadly. whilst we can all complain about it, I bet that 90% of people in a position to put a claim in can and would do.

The story here isn't that David Amess is claiming expenses that he's legally entitled too, it's that he ran away and hid rather than speak to his constituents. That speaks volumes for both the way that the media have turned the expenses saga into the latest outrage to sell papers now that Pig Flu has died off, and also of how little backbone Amess must have.
But that's the job though. Plenty of people are lucky enough to be able to claim expenses. I suspect that the reporters on the Echo will be able to put in claims for food when they are away from home. Someone said that a vote for the BNP is the only solution except that the BNP are renowned for claiming expenses, even in Council seats which they don't bother to sit in. It's human nature sadly. whilst we can all complain about it, I bet that 90% of people in a position to put a claim in can and would do. The story here isn't that David Amess is claiming expenses that he's legally entitled too, it's that he ran away and hid rather than speak to his constituents. That speaks volumes for both the way that the media have turned the expenses saga into the latest outrage to sell papers now that Pig Flu has died off, and also of how little backbone Amess must have. AC

1:49pm Thu 28 May 09

SARFENDMAN says...

TheWizzard wrote:
Another mp to bite the dust then
Nope! A Tory cardboard cut out would get elected in this safe seat.
[quote][p][bold]TheWizzard[/bold] wrote: Another mp to bite the dust then[/p][/quote]Nope! A Tory cardboard cut out would get elected in this safe seat. SARFENDMAN

1:52pm Thu 28 May 09

Michael Vincent says...

AC wrote:
But that's the job though. Plenty of people are lucky enough to be able to claim expenses. I suspect that the reporters on the Echo will be able to put in claims for food when they are away from home. Someone said that a vote for the BNP is the only solution except that the BNP are renowned for claiming expenses, even in Council seats which they don't bother to sit in. It's human nature sadly. whilst we can all complain about it, I bet that 90% of people in a position to put a claim in can and would do. The story here isn't that David Amess is claiming expenses that he's legally entitled too, it's that he ran away and hid rather than speak to his constituents. That speaks volumes for both the way that the media have turned the expenses saga into the latest outrage to sell papers now that Pig Flu has died off, and also of how little backbone Amess must have.
You are kidding aren't you? David Amess's expenses are paid for by the TAXPAYER. Anyone else's are paid for by their company. It is entirely right that the Echo, on our behalf, gets the MP to be accountable for us.
[quote][p][bold]AC[/bold] wrote: But that's the job though. Plenty of people are lucky enough to be able to claim expenses. I suspect that the reporters on the Echo will be able to put in claims for food when they are away from home. Someone said that a vote for the BNP is the only solution except that the BNP are renowned for claiming expenses, even in Council seats which they don't bother to sit in. It's human nature sadly. whilst we can all complain about it, I bet that 90% of people in a position to put a claim in can and would do. The story here isn't that David Amess is claiming expenses that he's legally entitled too, it's that he ran away and hid rather than speak to his constituents. That speaks volumes for both the way that the media have turned the expenses saga into the latest outrage to sell papers now that Pig Flu has died off, and also of how little backbone Amess must have.[/p][/quote]You are kidding aren't you? David Amess's expenses are paid for by the TAXPAYER. Anyone else's are paid for by their company. It is entirely right that the Echo, on our behalf, gets the MP to be accountable for us. Michael Vincent

2:05pm Thu 28 May 09

Mark D says...

Michael Vincent wrote:
AC wrote: But that's the job though. Plenty of people are lucky enough to be able to claim expenses. I suspect that the reporters on the Echo will be able to put in claims for food when they are away from home. Someone said that a vote for the BNP is the only solution except that the BNP are renowned for claiming expenses, even in Council seats which they don't bother to sit in. It's human nature sadly. whilst we can all complain about it, I bet that 90% of people in a position to put a claim in can and would do. The story here isn't that David Amess is claiming expenses that he's legally entitled too, it's that he ran away and hid rather than speak to his constituents. That speaks volumes for both the way that the media have turned the expenses saga into the latest outrage to sell papers now that Pig Flu has died off, and also of how little backbone Amess must have.
You are kidding aren't you? David Amess's expenses are paid for by the TAXPAYER. Anyone else's are paid for by their company. It is entirely right that the Echo, on our behalf, gets the MP to be accountable for us.
I agree: if you or I submit dubious expenses claims, it would be totally appropriate for our employers to scrutinise our behaviour. The same goes for MPs.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Vincent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AC[/bold] wrote: But that's the job though. Plenty of people are lucky enough to be able to claim expenses. I suspect that the reporters on the Echo will be able to put in claims for food when they are away from home. Someone said that a vote for the BNP is the only solution except that the BNP are renowned for claiming expenses, even in Council seats which they don't bother to sit in. It's human nature sadly. whilst we can all complain about it, I bet that 90% of people in a position to put a claim in can and would do. The story here isn't that David Amess is claiming expenses that he's legally entitled too, it's that he ran away and hid rather than speak to his constituents. That speaks volumes for both the way that the media have turned the expenses saga into the latest outrage to sell papers now that Pig Flu has died off, and also of how little backbone Amess must have.[/p][/quote]You are kidding aren't you? David Amess's expenses are paid for by the TAXPAYER. Anyone else's are paid for by their company. It is entirely right that the Echo, on our behalf, gets the MP to be accountable for us. [/p][/quote]I agree: if you or I submit dubious expenses claims, it would be totally appropriate for our employers to scrutinise our behaviour. The same goes for MPs. Mark D

2:10pm Thu 28 May 09

Tiger Rider says...

Surely canvassing is a prime opportunity to address the concerns of the electorate? Not run away from them.

Still, what can we expect from a man seriously raising the issue of 'cake' in parliament. For those of you that don't remember, this was a brass eye set up. 'Cake', was the made up name of a pretend illegal drug, it was not real. Out of all the issues he could have raised he chose that, out of touch or what?

I suppose it proves the old adage:

YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT!









Surely canvassing is a prime opportunity to address the concerns of the electorate? Not run away from them. Still, what can we expect from a man seriously raising the issue of 'cake' in parliament. For those of you that don't remember, this was a brass eye set up. 'Cake', was the made up name of a pretend illegal drug, it was not real. Out of all the issues he could have raised he chose that, out of touch or what? I suppose it proves the old adage: YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT! Tiger Rider

2:31pm Thu 28 May 09

trell says...

Tiger Rider wrote:
Surely canvassing is a prime opportunity to address the concerns of the electorate? Not run away from them.

Still, what can we expect from a man seriously raising the issue of 'cake' in parliament. For those of you that don't remember, this was a brass eye set up. 'Cake', was the made up name of a pretend illegal drug, it was not real. Out of all the issues he could have raised he chose that, out of touch or what?

I suppose it proves the old adage:

YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT!









I remember that. Chris Morris & Brass Eye.

Amess was a complete tool in Basildon. He's still one now in Southend. Soozie said pretty much what I've thought of him. He looks like one of those oily smarmy used car/double glazing salesmen.

I'd like to see what David Cameron's going to do with people like Amess. If Cameron does chuck him from the Conservative party, I may vote Tory. If not, then I guess Cameron was full of B.S when he talked about cleaning up his party, and will probably vote somewhere else.
[quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: Surely canvassing is a prime opportunity to address the concerns of the electorate? Not run away from them. Still, what can we expect from a man seriously raising the issue of 'cake' in parliament. For those of you that don't remember, this was a brass eye set up. 'Cake', was the made up name of a pretend illegal drug, it was not real. Out of all the issues he could have raised he chose that, out of touch or what? I suppose it proves the old adage: YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT! [/p][/quote]I remember that. Chris Morris & Brass Eye. Amess was a complete tool in Basildon. He's still one now in Southend. Soozie said pretty much what I've thought of him. He looks like one of those oily smarmy used car/double glazing salesmen. I'd like to see what David Cameron's going to do with people like Amess. If Cameron does chuck him from the Conservative party, I may vote Tory. If not, then I guess Cameron was full of B.S when he talked about cleaning up his party, and will probably vote somewhere else. trell

2:41pm Thu 28 May 09

Range Rover says...

Everyone remembers the 3 notorious drug dealers murdered in rettendon? good.
Are all the readers aware that a photograph exists of a younger Mr Amess posing with 2 of these men? Didnt think so. Greedy little piggy.
Everyone remembers the 3 notorious drug dealers murdered in rettendon? good. Are all the readers aware that a photograph exists of a younger Mr Amess posing with 2 of these men? Didnt think so. Greedy little piggy. Range Rover

2:51pm Thu 28 May 09

Soozie says...

I'd like to see what David Cameron's going to do with people like Amess. If Cameron does chuck him from the Conservative party, I may vote Tory. If not, then I guess Cameron was full of B.S when he talked about cleaning up his party, and will probably vote somewhere else.

You and me both Trell. Lets see if Cameron is able to walk his talk.


Think it is believe nothing of what you hear, and half of what you see when it comes to these MPs.
I'd like to see what David Cameron's going to do with people like Amess. If Cameron does chuck him from the Conservative party, I may vote Tory. If not, then I guess Cameron was full of B.S when he talked about cleaning up his party, and will probably vote somewhere else. You and me both Trell. Lets see if Cameron is able to walk his talk. Think it is believe nothing of what you hear, and half of what you see when it comes to these MPs. Soozie

3:32pm Thu 28 May 09

Time says...

Im getting sick of this £400 on food a month, come on £400, I dont eat £400 of food in 3 months. Im getting sick to death of this crap, get him that pratt from Southend East and the rest of the criminals out of their jobs. Its about time POWER returned to the people!
Im getting sick of this £400 on food a month, come on £400, I dont eat £400 of food in 3 months. Im getting sick to death of this crap, get him that pratt from Southend East and the rest of the criminals out of their jobs. Its about time POWER returned to the people! Time

4:20pm Thu 28 May 09

purple rain says...

I am wating to hear about Spink (castle point) tory...no..ukip...no now independant.. thats if he hasn't changed his loyalties again..
I am sure that ther are a few questions that he wouldn't want put to him eh Bob!!!
I am wating to hear about Spink (castle point) tory...no..ukip...no now independant.. thats if he hasn't changed his loyalties again.. I am sure that ther are a few questions that he wouldn't want put to him eh Bob!!! purple rain

4:32pm Thu 28 May 09

evilc says...

Like a rat the Echo should have baited him out.

Two bits you might try:

1. A baby to kiss.

2.A soap box
Like a rat the Echo should have baited him out. Two bits you might try: 1. A baby to kiss. 2.A soap box evilc

5:08pm Thu 28 May 09

Dingo says...

Run away!!!

I am rather confused as to how a person could feasibly hide in a hairdressers.

Perhaps, he secreted himself behind the hairdresser's chair?

Sat himself down and placed his head in one of the stand alone hair dryers?

Maybe, he was last spotted crawling into the plug hole of a hair washing sink.

Amess, you're an a$$.
Run away!!! I am rather confused as to how a person could feasibly hide in a hairdressers. Perhaps, he secreted himself behind the hairdresser's chair? Sat himself down and placed his head in one of the stand alone hair dryers? Maybe, he was last spotted crawling into the plug hole of a hair washing sink. Amess, you're an a$$. Dingo

6:02pm Thu 28 May 09

pony says...

As I have stated before the man's a coward.I am sure he did not send all his £400 on food for himself, most of his rations went to his mate in southend east.As a life long Tory voter now having second thoughts, Mr Cameron seems to be weaving a carpet to hide the filth lets have a general election and put true honourable people to represent us, de-select the lot and no more cowards..
As I have stated before the man's a coward.I am sure he did not send all his £400 on food for himself, most of his rations went to his mate in southend east.As a life long Tory voter now having second thoughts, Mr Cameron seems to be weaving a carpet to hide the filth lets have a general election and put true honourable people to represent us, de-select the lot and no more cowards.. pony

7:07pm Thu 28 May 09

typhoon32 says...

David did you get the rather unsightly mess off you in the end?
Echo leave the MPs alone will you, you're obviously a bit old, this story has been and passed now.
David did you get the rather unsightly mess off you in the end? Echo leave the MPs alone will you, you're obviously a bit old, this story has been and passed now. typhoon32

7:38pm Thu 28 May 09

bumper says...

leagel criminals that are out only for there own gain there not here for you so why vote them in .
there all at it and who gets the bill yes you know the tax payer use .
leagel criminals that are out only for there own gain there not here for you so why vote them in . there all at it and who gets the bill yes you know the tax payer use . bumper

8:06pm Thu 28 May 09

leighman says...

This £400 a month obviously can't be enough to sustain the Amess household, for I, on several occasions have seen this excuse for a politician skulking round the reduced items section in Morrisons in Hadleigh. My wife has also spotted him buying up reduced plants in Southend Homebase. This man is truly lower than a snakes belly.
This £400 a month obviously can't be enough to sustain the Amess household, for I, on several occasions have seen this excuse for a politician skulking round the reduced items section in Morrisons in Hadleigh. My wife has also spotted him buying up reduced plants in Southend Homebase. This man is truly lower than a snakes belly. leighman

9:21pm Thu 28 May 09

Soozie says...

leighman wrote:
This £400 a month obviously can't be enough to sustain the Amess household, for I, on several occasions have seen this excuse for a politician skulking round the reduced items section in Morrisons in Hadleigh. My wife has also spotted him buying up reduced plants in Southend Homebase. This man is truly lower than a snakes belly.
Seriously? If that is the case then the guy is a real piece of work.

Skulking, what a great word to describe someone sneaky and not fit for purpose.
[quote][p][bold]leighman[/bold] wrote: This £400 a month obviously can't be enough to sustain the Amess household, for I, on several occasions have seen this excuse for a politician skulking round the reduced items section in Morrisons in Hadleigh. My wife has also spotted him buying up reduced plants in Southend Homebase. This man is truly lower than a snakes belly.[/p][/quote]Seriously? If that is the case then the guy is a real piece of work. Skulking, what a great word to describe someone sneaky and not fit for purpose. Soozie

9:39pm Thu 28 May 09

typhoon32 says...

I never forget the time that when somebody asked who he was my dad said 'creep' rather loud lol of course David Amess gave him a funny look so I guess he got the message.
I never forget the time that when somebody asked who he was my dad said 'creep' rather loud lol of course David Amess gave him a funny look so I guess he got the message. typhoon32

9:45pm Thu 28 May 09

Soozie says...

typhoon32 wrote:
I never forget the time that when somebody asked who he was my dad said 'creep' rather loud lol of course David Amess gave him a funny look so I guess he got the message.
pardon?
[quote][p][bold]typhoon32[/bold] wrote: I never forget the time that when somebody asked who he was my dad said 'creep' rather loud lol of course David Amess gave him a funny look so I guess he got the message.[/p][/quote]pardon? Soozie

9:46pm Thu 28 May 09

resident3 says...

Yes - come on Echo - publish a detailed list of Essex MP's expenses. Not just general breakdown, but give us some details. Mark Francois (Rayleigh) too please.
Yes - come on Echo - publish a detailed list of Essex MP's expenses. Not just general breakdown, but give us some details. Mark Francois (Rayleigh) too please. resident3

9:48pm Thu 28 May 09

typhoon32 says...

My Dad called David Amess a 'creep' is that what the pardon was about soozie?
My Dad called David Amess a 'creep' is that what the pardon was about soozie? typhoon32

9:52pm Thu 28 May 09

123oliver says...

Although he hasn't broken the rules he has taken full advantage of them and at our expense. He has never proved himself in the political world and this blatent demonstration of greed shows how self centered he is. He should be made to stand down and make way for somebody who cares about their community.
Although he hasn't broken the rules he has taken full advantage of them and at our expense. He has never proved himself in the political world and this blatent demonstration of greed shows how self centered he is. He should be made to stand down and make way for somebody who cares about their community. 123oliver

9:55pm Thu 28 May 09

typhoon32 says...

You could always vote me as your PM
You could always vote me as your PM typhoon32

9:57pm Thu 28 May 09

Soozie says...

typhoon32 wrote:
You could always vote me as your PM
I don't think that will happen - no offence.
[quote][p][bold]typhoon32[/bold] wrote: You could always vote me as your PM[/p][/quote]I don't think that will happen - no offence. Soozie

10:05pm Thu 28 May 09

typhoon32 says...

Seen as nobody knows my real name it could always happen, I know whats gonna happen now, everyone is gonna stop voting haha
Seen as nobody knows my real name it could always happen, I know whats gonna happen now, everyone is gonna stop voting haha typhoon32

10:46pm Thu 28 May 09

Sparte says...

Southend West is Tory and always will be so don't waste your time commenting here. A combination of apathy and delusion will ensure that David Amess remains whatever he has misclaimed.
Southend West is Tory and always will be so don't waste your time commenting here. A combination of apathy and delusion will ensure that David Amess remains whatever he has misclaimed. Sparte

10:49pm Thu 28 May 09

charlie croker says...

Strange isn't it, David Amess apparently hates "Dole Scroungers", but is happy to receive a huge salary, free first class travel, enjoy tax free booze in Palace of Westminster with subsidised meals thrown in. (As a Royal Palace all the drink/food is tax free, how wonderful for them).

Even this isn't enough, no sir, he wants us to pay for his food too. If he really believes that he needs £400 per month just for food, then I expect he will be voting to raise unemployment benefit to a similar level?

And when called to account, this paragon of free speech and democracy does what? Oh that;s it he runs and hides like the insects under a stone when exposed to light.

In the name of common decency, he should resign!


Strange isn't it, David Amess apparently hates "Dole Scroungers", but is happy to receive a huge salary, free first class travel, enjoy tax free booze in Palace of Westminster with subsidised meals thrown in. (As a Royal Palace all the drink/food is tax free, how wonderful for them). Even this isn't enough, no sir, he wants us to pay for his food too. If he really believes that he needs £400 per month just for food, then I expect he will be voting to raise unemployment benefit to a similar level? And when called to account, this paragon of free speech and democracy does what? Oh that;s it he runs and hides like the insects under a stone when exposed to light. In the name of common decency, he should resign! charlie croker

10:51pm Thu 28 May 09

nota says...

Always voted Tory in the past, but not anymore.They are turning out to be more greedy than the labour MPS. What I want to know is how much more has Amess and Dudridge had.What about their milage accounts and most of all what about their holidays? Did we pay for them too?
Always voted Tory in the past, but not anymore.They are turning out to be more greedy than the labour MPS. What I want to know is how much more has Amess and Dudridge had.What about their milage accounts and most of all what about their holidays? Did we pay for them too? nota

11:01pm Thu 28 May 09

Trainman says...

£65,000 per annum and expenses? HE is one of many that expect the likes of me to keep my Partner and I to exist on LESS than £6,000 per year and MINUS expences.

HE should try himself, along with the rest of them that NEED expenses.

Yes I AM fuming about it and WHY NOT?
£65,000 per annum and expenses? HE is one of many that expect the likes of me to keep my Partner and I to exist on LESS than £6,000 per year and MINUS expences. HE should try himself, along with the rest of them that NEED expenses. Yes I AM fuming about it and WHY NOT? Trainman

11:08pm Thu 28 May 09

weezypops says...

Ha, this is so familiar. Back in 1997 when I was a mere 18 years old and voting for the first time, some friends and I stopped Mr. Amess in the street when he was out canvassing (actually he was handing out balloons to toddlers but apparently that amounts to the same thing).

At first he was all smiles but when our questions got a bit tricky for him, he literally turned and ran off down the street. He was quite a sight, clutching his balloons with his coat tails flapping in the breeze. We stood there gobsmacked.

It's nice to see he still has the same level of class, and transparancy that he always has.
Ha, this is so familiar. Back in 1997 when I was a mere 18 years old and voting for the first time, some friends and I stopped Mr. Amess in the street when he was out canvassing (actually he was handing out balloons to toddlers but apparently that amounts to the same thing). At first he was all smiles but when our questions got a bit tricky for him, he literally turned and ran off down the street. He was quite a sight, clutching his balloons with his coat tails flapping in the breeze. We stood there gobsmacked. It's nice to see he still has the same level of class, and transparancy that he always has. weezypops

11:23pm Thu 28 May 09

Trainman says...

weezypops wrote:
Ha, this is so familiar. Back in 1997 when I was a mere 18 years old and voting for the first time, some friends and I stopped Mr. Amess in the street when he was out canvassing (actually he was handing out balloons to toddlers but apparently that amounts to the same thing). At first he was all smiles but when our questions got a bit tricky for him, he literally turned and ran off down the street. He was quite a sight, clutching his balloons with his coat tails flapping in the breeze. We stood there gobsmacked. It's nice to see he still has the same level of class, and transparancy that he always has.
I wonder if they were RED Balloons as sung by Basildon Based group until 1964 and The Dave Clark Five?
[quote][p][bold]weezypops[/bold] wrote: Ha, this is so familiar. Back in 1997 when I was a mere 18 years old and voting for the first time, some friends and I stopped Mr. Amess in the street when he was out canvassing (actually he was handing out balloons to toddlers but apparently that amounts to the same thing). At first he was all smiles but when our questions got a bit tricky for him, he literally turned and ran off down the street. He was quite a sight, clutching his balloons with his coat tails flapping in the breeze. We stood there gobsmacked. It's nice to see he still has the same level of class, and transparancy that he always has.[/p][/quote]I wonder if they were RED Balloons as sung by Basildon Based group until 1964 and The Dave Clark Five? Trainman

11:39pm Thu 28 May 09

leighbloke says...

I see there are at least 2 other declared candidates for southend West at the next election.
Why not hold a public debate with the other 2 candiates with questions put by southend west residents?A neutral chairman perhaps the editor of the echo.
Why noy sort it Echo?
ps loved the front page today.
Amess to supply the food and drink...perhaps not.
I see there are at least 2 other declared candidates for southend West at the next election. Why not hold a public debate with the other 2 candiates with questions put by southend west residents?A neutral chairman perhaps the editor of the echo. Why noy sort it Echo? ps loved the front page today. Amess to supply the food and drink...perhaps not. leighbloke

11:47pm Thu 28 May 09

mmmm? says...

I'm wonderering firstly how many people here would claim the full amount of money for food expenses if they were doing jury service? This is I believe Tax-payers money, would you also claim for travel???? I also don't understand the whole throat cutting business or name calling, or why anyone would want to bring David Amess's kids into it. This is what I would call bullying.I think this is outrageous, especially a we are supposed to live in a tolerant society. We have freedom of speach, although in somecases it seems to fairly limited on here. I accept that most of you don't agree with his political views and that's fair enough. What ever floats your boat. BUT some of these comments are vile and really quite offensive. I don't think there is anything wrong with buying food or plants that are reduced. Can any one on here explain exactly what the rules are regarding claims for food. I was also wondering Soozie why he was running away from you? Was you calling him names? The other thing i would like to point out if you have something to say in the paper, own it and put your name to it. I reckon the majority of people would claim something, if they could,just look at the claims for whiplash!!It may not be Taxpapers money, but its your premiums.
I'm wonderering firstly how many people here would claim the full amount of money for food expenses if they were doing jury service? This is I believe Tax-payers money, would you also claim for travel???? I also don't understand the whole throat cutting business or name calling, or why anyone would want to bring David Amess's kids into it. This is what I would call bullying.I think this is outrageous, especially a we are supposed to live in a tolerant society. We have freedom of speach, although in somecases it seems to fairly limited on here. I accept that most of you don't agree with his political views and that's fair enough. What ever floats your boat. BUT some of these comments are vile and really quite offensive. I don't think there is anything wrong with buying food or plants that are reduced. Can any one on here explain exactly what the rules are regarding claims for food. I was also wondering Soozie why he was running away from you? Was you calling him names? The other thing i would like to point out if you have something to say in the paper, own it and put your name to it. I reckon the majority of people would claim something, if they could,just look at the claims for whiplash!!It may not be Taxpapers money, but its your premiums. mmmm?

12:19am Fri 29 May 09

Southendman says...

What's the betting that all or most of the Tory MPs standing down at next election get slowly and quietly brought back into Parliament via the Lords half way through David Cameron's 1st term as Prime Minister. After all some of them must of supported him to be Conservative leader so will be wanting a favour back.
What's the betting that all or most of the Tory MPs standing down at next election get slowly and quietly brought back into Parliament via the Lords half way through David Cameron's 1st term as Prime Minister. After all some of them must of supported him to be Conservative leader so will be wanting a favour back. Southendman

1:14am Fri 29 May 09

revolution23 says...

mmmm? Can't understand why you are defending Amess? What's jury service got to do with this and whiplash claims. Let's get some direction on this as most of the comments have being so. Public feeling on MP expenses is one of outrage. Generally they have been claiming the maximum they can for all sorts of expenses - year after year, flipping homes to maximise their claims. It's a moral scandal. Trees, food, second homes, employing relatives, housing relatives - I'm bored by listing their purchases and activities. What I do know is that as they have been claiming more expenses each year. Infact my cost of living has risen with the more expenses they have claimed. I won't even mention my council tax. Bullying... a bandied word, mmmm? This man is financially accountable, up until now only to the House of Commons Fees Office, but now the PEOPLE - us small people who have been 'bullied' for years by the state through indirect taxation, cctv cameras, corrupt banking systems, now have a chance to call this people to answer. These people represent our interests in Parliament. They work for us, and I demand they have a pay cut, as I wasn't aware I was paying them so much!
mmmm? Can't understand why you are defending Amess? What's jury service got to do with this and whiplash claims. Let's get some direction on this as most of the comments have being so. Public feeling on MP expenses is one of outrage. Generally they have been claiming the maximum they can for all sorts of expenses - year after year, flipping homes to maximise their claims. It's a moral scandal. Trees, food, second homes, employing relatives, housing relatives - I'm bored by listing their purchases and activities. What I do know is that as they have been claiming more expenses each year. Infact my cost of living has risen with the more expenses they have claimed. I won't even mention my council tax. Bullying... a bandied word, mmmm? This man is financially accountable, up until now only to the House of Commons Fees Office, but now the PEOPLE - us small people who have been 'bullied' for years by the state through indirect taxation, cctv cameras, corrupt banking systems, now have a chance to call this people to answer. These people represent our interests in Parliament. They work for us, and I demand they have a pay cut, as I wasn't aware I was paying them so much! revolution23

4:02am Fri 29 May 09

mmmm? says...

I agree public feeling is one of outrage. Although i thought that this was about David Amess claiming for food. And you are absolutely right, lets get some direction on this because it sounds like you are talking about Andrew MacKay and Julie Kirkbride. I don't think flipping is about maximising claims. I think it is more about maximising profit. All mp should be financially accountable as you said. However, it seems to me that the House of Commons Fee Office should be accountable as well as they are the one's who approved these expenses.I asked earlier if anyone knows what the criteria is for claiming food, and I do think that is a relevent quesion. Judging from your response I think you know exactley what I'm getting at with the whiplash and jury service!!!! If I'm honest which i am and i could claim eg £20 for food expenses while i was on jury srvice. I would. Although i would not claim £4000 for a moat or £8000 for a posh porch. As for bullying I don't think it's a word that should be thrown back and forth. Some of the remarks made are nasty, personal and vicious and are as relevent as 99 red ballons. I didn't know how much mp's got paid and I don't think i would want the job either.
I agree public feeling is one of outrage. Although i thought that this was about David Amess claiming for food. And you are absolutely right, lets get some direction on this because it sounds like you are talking about Andrew MacKay and Julie Kirkbride. I don't think flipping is about maximising claims. I think it is more about maximising profit. All mp should be financially accountable as you said. However, it seems to me that the House of Commons Fee Office should be accountable as well as they are the one's who approved these expenses.I asked earlier if anyone knows what the criteria is for claiming food, and I do think that is a relevent quesion. Judging from your response I think you know exactley what I'm getting at with the whiplash and jury service!!!! If I'm honest which i am and i could claim eg £20 for food expenses while i was on jury srvice. I would. Although i would not claim £4000 for a moat or £8000 for a posh porch. As for bullying I don't think it's a word that should be thrown back and forth. Some of the remarks made are nasty, personal and vicious and are as relevent as 99 red ballons. I didn't know how much mp's got paid and I don't think i would want the job either. mmmm?

8:02am Fri 29 May 09

Soozie says...

mmmm? wrote:
I'm wonderering firstly how many people here would claim the full amount of money for food expenses if they were doing jury service? This is I believe Tax-payers money, would you also claim for travel???? I also don't understand the whole throat cutting business or name calling, or why anyone would want to bring David Amess's kids into it. This is what I would call bullying.I think this is outrageous, especially a we are supposed to live in a tolerant society. We have freedom of speach, although in somecases it seems to fairly limited on here. I accept that most of you don't agree with his political views and that's fair enough. What ever floats your boat. BUT some of these comments are vile and really quite offensive. I don't think there is anything wrong with buying food or plants that are reduced. Can any one on here explain exactly what the rules are regarding claims for food. I was also wondering Soozie why he was running away from you? Was you calling him names? The other thing i would like to point out if you have something to say in the paper, own it and put your name to it. I reckon the majority of people would claim something, if they could,just look at the claims for whiplash!!It may not be Taxpapers money, but its your premiums.
Scuse me? Where does it say he was running from me you twit?

Was you? What kind of English that you muppet?
[quote][p][bold]mmmm?[/bold] wrote: I'm wonderering firstly how many people here would claim the full amount of money for food expenses if they were doing jury service? This is I believe Tax-payers money, would you also claim for travel???? I also don't understand the whole throat cutting business or name calling, or why anyone would want to bring David Amess's kids into it. This is what I would call bullying.I think this is outrageous, especially a we are supposed to live in a tolerant society. We have freedom of speach, although in somecases it seems to fairly limited on here. I accept that most of you don't agree with his political views and that's fair enough. What ever floats your boat. BUT some of these comments are vile and really quite offensive. I don't think there is anything wrong with buying food or plants that are reduced. Can any one on here explain exactly what the rules are regarding claims for food. I was also wondering Soozie why he was running away from you? Was you calling him names? The other thing i would like to point out if you have something to say in the paper, own it and put your name to it. I reckon the majority of people would claim something, if they could,just look at the claims for whiplash!!It may not be Taxpapers money, but its your premiums.[/p][/quote]Scuse me? Where does it say he was running from me you twit? Was you? What kind of English that you muppet? Soozie

8:20am Fri 29 May 09

charlie croker says...

mmmm?, your loyalty does you proud, however please consider the following:

Are you saying that he has done nothing wrong. That claiming £19,000 just for food over 4 years, while some of the people he represents will have been struggling to make ends meet is right and proper? That people who have to try and economise, are paying taxes so he can have free food?

I bet there are a few pensioners who would like £4,750 a year to spend just on food! Or hard up families struggling to feed & clothe their kids.

The man is a rogue and deep down I suspect you know it.

There are far too many MPs on this gravy train, the sooner they get off the better!
mmmm?, your loyalty does you proud, however please consider the following: Are you saying that he has done nothing wrong. That claiming £19,000 just for food over 4 years, while some of the people he represents will have been struggling to make ends meet is right and proper? That people who have to try and economise, are paying taxes so he can have free food? I bet there are a few pensioners who would like £4,750 a year to spend just on food! Or hard up families struggling to feed & clothe their kids. The man is a rogue and deep down I suspect you know it. There are far too many MPs on this gravy train, the sooner they get off the better! charlie croker

8:22am Fri 29 May 09

JuliaM says...

"I think this is outrageous, especially a we are supposed to live in a tolerant society."

We are supposed to be tolerant of fraud and freeloading, are we?
"I think this is outrageous, especially a we are supposed to live in a tolerant society." We are supposed to be tolerant of fraud and freeloading, are we? JuliaM

8:32am Fri 29 May 09

Radar Ears says...

typhoon32 wrote:
David did you get the rather unsightly mess off you in the end? Echo leave the MPs alone will you, you're obviously a bit old, this story has been and passed now.

Related to Amess are we ?
[quote][p][bold]typhoon32[/bold] wrote: David did you get the rather unsightly mess off you in the end? Echo leave the MPs alone will you, you're obviously a bit old, this story has been and passed now.[/p][/quote] Related to Amess are we ? Radar Ears

8:34am Fri 29 May 09

Soozie says...

And to add insult to injury to the taxpayer...

http://www.telegraph
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And to add insult to injury to the taxpayer... http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/newstopi cs/mps-expenses/5402 787/MPs-expenses-MPs -shamed-into-standin g-down-in-line-for-p ay-offs.html Soozie

8:54am Fri 29 May 09

ISee2 says...

You report Mr Amess as having claimed the same round number sum with robotic regularity - £400 – each month for years, but I find it difficult to understand how that can have occurred.
I assume that the claim was made under the MP’s Additional Costs Allowance. Looking for example at the July 2006 Rules it is apparent that such allowance was only available in specific and limited circumstances when staying overnight away from home for the purpose of performing Parliamentary duties:
“"3.1.1 The Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) reimburses for expenses wholly, exclusively and necessarily incurred when staying overnight away from their main UK residence (referred to below as their main home) for the purpose of performing Parliamentary duties. "
The rule book explains that food costs may be reimbursed when claimed as part of a hotel bill for an overnight stay or as “reasonable additional costs while you are away from your main house.”
Thus reimbursement for food expenditure could only have been claimed when accompanying an overnight stay away from Mr Amess’ main home which I assume is in his constituency.
As we all know Parliament does not sit continuously but has numerous, and frequently very lengthy recesses. Indeed the Parliament web site discloses that in the year 2007/08 Parliament sat for just 165 days (and for an average of just under 8 hours per day).
Given the limited number of days of sitting and the very extensive recess periods, it is difficult to understand why Mr Amess had “necessarily” to incur food costs associated with staying away overnight for the purpose of discharging his Parliamentary duties on such a consistent basis.
In some months there will have been few sittings and in certain months of the year none at all.
Perhaps when you catch up with Mr Amess you could ask him: why was £400 spent on food as being necessary to perform Parliamentary functions during months (for example August) when Parliament did not sit at all ?
You report Mr Amess as having claimed the same round number sum with robotic regularity - £400 – each month for years, but I find it difficult to understand how that can have occurred. I assume that the claim was made under the MP’s Additional Costs Allowance. Looking for example at the July 2006 Rules it is apparent that such allowance was only available in specific and limited circumstances when staying overnight away from home for the purpose of performing Parliamentary duties: “"3.1.1 The Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) reimburses [MPs] for expenses wholly, exclusively and necessarily incurred when staying overnight away from their main UK residence (referred to below as their main home) for the purpose of performing Parliamentary duties. " The rule book explains that food costs may be reimbursed when claimed as part of a hotel bill for an overnight stay or as “reasonable additional costs while you are away from your main house.” Thus reimbursement for food expenditure could only have been claimed when accompanying an overnight stay away from Mr Amess’ main home which I assume is in his constituency. As we all know Parliament does not sit continuously but has numerous, and frequently very lengthy recesses. Indeed the Parliament web site discloses that in the year 2007/08 Parliament sat for just 165 days (and for an average of just under 8 hours per day). Given the limited number of days of sitting and the very extensive recess periods, it is difficult to understand why Mr Amess had “necessarily” to incur food costs associated with staying away overnight for the purpose of discharging his Parliamentary duties on such a consistent basis. In some months there will have been few sittings and in certain months of the year none at all. Perhaps when you catch up with Mr Amess you could ask him: why was £400 spent on food as being necessary to perform Parliamentary functions during months (for example August) when Parliament did not sit at all ? ISee2

9:32am Fri 29 May 09

typhoon32 says...

Radar Ears wrote:
typhoon32 wrote:
David did you get the rather unsightly mess off you in the end? Echo leave the MPs alone will you, you're obviously a bit old, this story has been and passed now.

Related to Amess are we ?
No I'm not, I'm attempting to bring stability on the subject rather than it blowing out of proportion, to do this, it is necessary for the media to shut up.
Indeed we have democracy but democracy should not be made a mockery of by the media
[quote][p][bold]Radar Ears[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]typhoon32[/bold] wrote: David did you get the rather unsightly mess off you in the end? Echo leave the MPs alone will you, you're obviously a bit old, this story has been and passed now.[/p][/quote] Related to Amess are we ?[/p][/quote]No I'm not, I'm attempting to bring stability on the subject rather than it blowing out of proportion, to do this, it is necessary for the media to shut up. Indeed we have democracy but democracy should not be made a mockery of by the media typhoon32

9:43am Fri 29 May 09

JuliaM says...

"I'm attempting to bring stability on the subject rather than it blowing out of proportion, to do this, it is necessary for the media to shut up."

No, it isn't.

This isn't Russia 20 years ago. Though it seems you'd prefer that it was...
"I'm attempting to bring stability on the subject rather than it blowing out of proportion, to do this, it is necessary for the media to shut up." No, it isn't. This isn't Russia 20 years ago. Though it seems you'd prefer that it was... JuliaM

9:51am Fri 29 May 09

AC says...

Michael Vincent wrote:
AC wrote: But that's the job though. Plenty of people are lucky enough to be able to claim expenses. I suspect that the reporters on the Echo will be able to put in claims for food when they are away from home. Someone said that a vote for the BNP is the only solution except that the BNP are renowned for claiming expenses, even in Council seats which they don't bother to sit in. It's human nature sadly. whilst we can all complain about it, I bet that 90% of people in a position to put a claim in can and would do. The story here isn't that David Amess is claiming expenses that he's legally entitled too, it's that he ran away and hid rather than speak to his constituents. That speaks volumes for both the way that the media have turned the expenses saga into the latest outrage to sell papers now that Pig Flu has died off, and also of how little backbone Amess must have.
You are kidding aren't you? David Amess's expenses are paid for by the TAXPAYER. Anyone else's are paid for by their company. It is entirely right that the Echo, on our behalf, gets the MP to be accountable for us.
Of course it's right. All MPs expenses should be in the public domain and open to scrutiny not just by the press but by their constituents also.

But if we're saying that MPs can't claim expenses because they are claiming tax payers money then does that mean that Nurses working away from home can't claim for transport and food? Or is that acceptable because they don't earn much money? Ok, what about a Doctor who earns twice what an MP does? Where do you draw the line.

The reality is that certain professions are lucky enough to include expenses in their package. And claiming for lunch at the House of Commons or dinner at his consituency is a legitimate use of expense money. Renovating a second home in order to profit from it's sale or paying for a moat for the ducks that live in their garden clearly is not. Failing to differentiate the two simply serves to reduce the debate to the absolute base level.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Vincent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AC[/bold] wrote: But that's the job though. Plenty of people are lucky enough to be able to claim expenses. I suspect that the reporters on the Echo will be able to put in claims for food when they are away from home. Someone said that a vote for the BNP is the only solution except that the BNP are renowned for claiming expenses, even in Council seats which they don't bother to sit in. It's human nature sadly. whilst we can all complain about it, I bet that 90% of people in a position to put a claim in can and would do. The story here isn't that David Amess is claiming expenses that he's legally entitled too, it's that he ran away and hid rather than speak to his constituents. That speaks volumes for both the way that the media have turned the expenses saga into the latest outrage to sell papers now that Pig Flu has died off, and also of how little backbone Amess must have.[/p][/quote]You are kidding aren't you? David Amess's expenses are paid for by the TAXPAYER. Anyone else's are paid for by their company. It is entirely right that the Echo, on our behalf, gets the MP to be accountable for us. [/p][/quote]Of course it's right. All MPs expenses should be in the public domain and open to scrutiny not just by the press but by their constituents also. But if we're saying that MPs can't claim expenses because they are claiming tax payers money then does that mean that Nurses working away from home can't claim for transport and food? Or is that acceptable because they don't earn much money? Ok, what about a Doctor who earns twice what an MP does? Where do you draw the line. The reality is that certain professions are lucky enough to include expenses in their package. And claiming for lunch at the House of Commons or dinner at his consituency is a legitimate use of expense money. Renovating a second home in order to profit from it's sale or paying for a moat for the ducks that live in their garden clearly is not. Failing to differentiate the two simply serves to reduce the debate to the absolute base level. AC

10:02am Fri 29 May 09

pony says...

When the Echo has finished playing "Where's the Wally" and cornered the elusive Mr Amess ask him this, What is the cost to the taxpayers of monthly food bill for a soldier on the frontline in Afghanistan.Remind him that two more of their number wont be drawing rations this week.

They seek him here
They seek him there
The Echo seeks the greedy coward everywhere
His he heaven of course he is.
Now lets give him Hell..
When the Echo has finished playing "Where's the Wally" and cornered the elusive Mr Amess ask him this, What is the cost to the taxpayers of monthly food bill for a soldier on the frontline in Afghanistan.Remind him that two more of their number wont be drawing rations this week. They seek him here They seek him there The Echo seeks the greedy coward everywhere His he heaven of course he is. Now lets give him Hell.. pony

10:08am Fri 29 May 09

AC says...

ISee2 wrote:
You report Mr Amess as having claimed the same round number sum with robotic regularity - £400 – each month for years, but I find it difficult to understand how that can have occurred. I assume that the claim was made under the MP’s Additional Costs Allowance. Looking for example at the July 2006 Rules it is apparent that such allowance was only available in specific and limited circumstances when staying overnight away from home for the purpose of performing Parliamentary duties: “"3.1.1 The Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) reimburses for expenses wholly, exclusively and necessarily incurred when staying overnight away from their main UK residence (referred to below as their main home) for the purpose of performing Parliamentary duties. " The rule book explains that food costs may be reimbursed when claimed as part of a hotel bill for an overnight stay or as “reasonable additional costs while you are away from your main house.” Thus reimbursement for food expenditure could only have been claimed when accompanying an overnight stay away from Mr Amess’ main home which I assume is in his constituency. As we all know Parliament does not sit continuously but has numerous, and frequently very lengthy recesses. Indeed the Parliament web site discloses that in the year 2007/08 Parliament sat for just 165 days (and for an average of just under 8 hours per day). Given the limited number of days of sitting and the very extensive recess periods, it is difficult to understand why Mr Amess had “necessarily” to incur food costs associated with staying away overnight for the purpose of discharging his Parliamentary duties on such a consistent basis. In some months there will have been few sittings and in certain months of the year none at all. Perhaps when you catch up with Mr Amess you could ask him: why was £400 spent on food as being necessary to perform Parliamentary functions during months (for example August) when Parliament did not sit at all ?
Fantastic research.

If Amess has been claiming for things that he isn't supposed to be claiming for then it's absolutely right that he should be brought to task over it. I don't agree though that no MPs should be claiming any expensess. If they have a legitimate claim then they should put it in and should be reimbursed. The systems needs a complete overhaul and it needs to be open. But it also needs to held in a more dignified and public manner than just being the subkect of the Press's latest witch-hunt.
[quote][p][bold]ISee2[/bold] wrote: You report Mr Amess as having claimed the same round number sum with robotic regularity - £400 – each month for years, but I find it difficult to understand how that can have occurred. I assume that the claim was made under the MP’s Additional Costs Allowance. Looking for example at the July 2006 Rules it is apparent that such allowance was only available in specific and limited circumstances when staying overnight away from home for the purpose of performing Parliamentary duties: “"3.1.1 The Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) reimburses [MPs] for expenses wholly, exclusively and necessarily incurred when staying overnight away from their main UK residence (referred to below as their main home) for the purpose of performing Parliamentary duties. " The rule book explains that food costs may be reimbursed when claimed as part of a hotel bill for an overnight stay or as “reasonable additional costs while you are away from your main house.” Thus reimbursement for food expenditure could only have been claimed when accompanying an overnight stay away from Mr Amess’ main home which I assume is in his constituency. As we all know Parliament does not sit continuously but has numerous, and frequently very lengthy recesses. Indeed the Parliament web site discloses that in the year 2007/08 Parliament sat for just 165 days (and for an average of just under 8 hours per day). Given the limited number of days of sitting and the very extensive recess periods, it is difficult to understand why Mr Amess had “necessarily” to incur food costs associated with staying away overnight for the purpose of discharging his Parliamentary duties on such a consistent basis. In some months there will have been few sittings and in certain months of the year none at all. Perhaps when you catch up with Mr Amess you could ask him: why was £400 spent on food as being necessary to perform Parliamentary functions during months (for example August) when Parliament did not sit at all ? [/p][/quote]Fantastic research. If Amess has been claiming for things that he isn't supposed to be claiming for then it's absolutely right that he should be brought to task over it. I don't agree though that no MPs should be claiming any expensess. If they have a legitimate claim then they should put it in and should be reimbursed. The systems needs a complete overhaul and it needs to be open. But it also needs to held in a more dignified and public manner than just being the subkect of the Press's latest witch-hunt. AC

10:55am Fri 29 May 09

John Mason says...

Remember this?

He also claims the public is the loser, as the House Of Commons insurers will foot the £15,000 bill.


Southend: Amess - No shame over legal apology
From the archive, first published Monday 25th Nov 2002.

An MP who wrote a letter of apology and handed over £15,000 to a businessman to settle a legal dispute has spoken for the first time about the year-long saga.

Former Basildon MP David Amess, now MP for Southend West, paid the cash to KeyMed for making unfounded comments about managing director Mike Woodford. The Conservative MP is furious about the story being made public.

He also claims the public is the loser, as the House Of Commons insurers will foot the £15,000 bill.

Mr Amess was served with a High Court writ for slander after saying "there must be an ulterior motive" for the extensive charity work the firm has done. The comments were made at a party after Mr Woodford was awarded an MBE for his services to road safety.

Mr Amess spoke to the Evening Echo at the Southend Musical Festival, at Crowstone Christian Centre, Kings Road, Westcliff. He said: "I think the Evening Echo reporting of this matter was an absolute disgrace.

"To think of all the important issues we face locally and the Evening Echo can spend two pages on allegations from a private drinks party which I and my wife hosted.

"The matter brings no shame upon myself but it does to all those who are responsible for it.

"The money involved in this matter is coming out of the public purse - that is the House of Commons insurers. I would expect the general public might think that money could be better spent.

"I never sought to publicise any of this."


Published Monday, November 25, 2002

Brought to you by the Evening Echo

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Remember this? He also claims the public is the loser, as the House Of Commons insurers will foot the £15,000 bill. Southend: Amess - No shame over legal apology From the archive, first published Monday 25th Nov 2002. An MP who wrote a letter of apology and handed over £15,000 to a businessman to settle a legal dispute has spoken for the first time about the year-long saga. Former Basildon MP David Amess, now MP for Southend West, paid the cash to KeyMed for making unfounded comments about managing director Mike Woodford. The Conservative MP is furious about the story being made public. He also claims the public is the loser, as the House Of Commons insurers will foot the £15,000 bill. Mr Amess was served with a High Court writ for slander after saying "there must be an ulterior motive" for the extensive charity work the firm has done. The comments were made at a party after Mr Woodford was awarded an MBE for his services to road safety. Mr Amess spoke to the Evening Echo at the Southend Musical Festival, at Crowstone Christian Centre, Kings Road, Westcliff. He said: "I think the Evening Echo reporting of this matter was an absolute disgrace. "To think of all the important issues we face locally and the Evening Echo can spend two pages on allegations from a private drinks party which I and my wife hosted. "The matter brings no shame upon myself but it does to all those who are responsible for it. "The money involved in this matter is coming out of the public purse - that is the House of Commons insurers. I would expect the general public might think that money could be better spent. "I never sought to publicise any of this." Published Monday, November 25, 2002 Brought to you by the Evening Echo Archive Home John Mason

11:39am Fri 29 May 09

Teri-Alicante says...

David Amess should be ashamed of himself. Running away just means he has something to hide or has not thought up a good excuse yet.
I lived in Westcliff and worked in London for nearly ten years. I did not need a second home, nor did I need to be supplemented for my food while in London.
MPs get free travel on public transport, I had to pay all my rail fares from my salary.
David Amess - resign now! You and your fellow MPs are a disgrace.
David Amess should be ashamed of himself. Running away just means he has something to hide or has not thought up a good excuse yet. I lived in Westcliff and worked in London for nearly ten years. I did not need a second home, nor did I need to be supplemented for my food while in London. MPs get free travel on public transport, I had to pay all my rail fares from my salary. David Amess - resign now! You and your fellow MPs are a disgrace. Teri-Alicante

12:13pm Fri 29 May 09

benfleetgeeza says...

this is robbery i worked all over the country and wherever i worked i still had to pay for my own food if he aint at his home then he aint eating the food there so why should we pay for him to eat somewhere else its a p1ss take
this is robbery i worked all over the country and wherever i worked i still had to pay for my own food if he aint at his home then he aint eating the food there so why should we pay for him to eat somewhere else its a p1ss take benfleetgeeza

2:11pm Fri 29 May 09

googleman says...

criminals hide from justice the innocent do not .
criminals hide from justice the innocent do not . googleman

2:19pm Fri 29 May 09

maureen says...

get them all out, out, out, and get a new open variety of mpe to act for us, with open spendature availble to us the general public, who voted them in in the first place to improve our lives not their own. they get paid a salary-so do many of us and we survive.
get them all out, out, out, and get a new open variety of mpe to act for us, with open spendature availble to us the general public, who voted them in in the first place to improve our lives not their own. they get paid a salary-so do many of us and we survive. maureen

2:23pm Fri 29 May 09

shallotman says...

I suppose the only recourse for the regular voter is not to vote at the coming elections.
I suppose the only recourse for the regular voter is not to vote at the coming elections. shallotman

2:50pm Fri 29 May 09

La Ina says...

I think it is difficult to comment on £400 per month without knowing extra detail. Certainly if these were London restaurant bills it wouldn't have gone very far. I think a number of MP's have taken advantage of a slack system but an MP's wage is not enough for a full on job based in the west end of London and it is to be expected that the expenses were seen as an entitlement. Now I expect a number of people will now cry out that £65k is a lot of money but these are the people who 1. wouldn't get voted in or 2. be able to handle a similar level of responsibility in a private firm where a £100k+ salary would be the norm - think about salaries earned in the banking world for example. I think the relatively low salary stops competent people (and with respect these will not be the normal worker) standing for Parliament and would like to see a realistic wage with proper expenses allowed.
I think it is difficult to comment on £400 per month without knowing extra detail. Certainly if these were London restaurant bills it wouldn't have gone very far. I think a number of MP's have taken advantage of a slack system but an MP's wage is not enough for a full on job based in the west end of London and it is to be expected that the expenses were seen as an entitlement. Now I expect a number of people will now cry out that £65k is a lot of money but these are the people who 1. wouldn't get voted in or 2. be able to handle a similar level of responsibility in a private firm where a £100k+ salary would be the norm - think about salaries earned in the banking world for example. I think the relatively low salary stops competent people (and with respect these will not be the normal worker) standing for Parliament and would like to see a realistic wage with proper expenses allowed. La Ina

4:05pm Fri 29 May 09

maureen says...

NO NO AND AGAIN NO shallotman go out and vote, spoil the vote and show at least you cared enough to be counted.
NO NO AND AGAIN NO shallotman go out and vote, spoil the vote and show at least you cared enough to be counted. maureen

4:06pm Fri 29 May 09

maureen says...

I would also like to add that ALL women should go out and vote as we fought very hard to get our vote at all.
I would also like to add that ALL women should go out and vote as we fought very hard to get our vote at all. maureen

4:26pm Fri 29 May 09

soul man says...

so he's literally been feeding off the taxpayer, does the initials for mp now stand for MONEY PILFERING their all crooks, and politics is power, power to rob us all blind, was this not what started the english civil war, the top bods doing as they like?
so he's literally been feeding off the taxpayer, does the initials for mp now stand for MONEY PILFERING their all crooks, and politics is power, power to rob us all blind, was this not what started the english civil war, the top bods doing as they like? soul man

5:01pm Fri 29 May 09

leighman says...

Maureen, you have got it 100% right on each of your posts. EVERYBODY GET OUT THERE AND VOTE!! You can be sure all the suckers up to the main parties will. They will now be relying on public apathy to pull them through this disgaceful debacle. USE YOUR VOTE.
Maureen, you have got it 100% right on each of your posts. EVERYBODY GET OUT THERE AND VOTE!! You can be sure all the suckers up to the main parties will. They will now be relying on public apathy to pull them through this disgaceful debacle. USE YOUR VOTE. leighman

5:30pm Fri 29 May 09

maureen says...

thank you leighman, i just hope more people think like you.
thank you leighman, i just hope more people think like you. maureen

5:40pm Fri 29 May 09

resident3 says...

Regardless off what David Blame-less says regarding "not breaking the rules" and "being cleared by the Fees Office", he has been caught claiming a grossly inflated allowance to supplement his income. I would like him to:

1. Repay the money
2. Resign
3. Be prosecuted with the same vigour we reserve for benefit fraudsters.

Running away from reporters and refusing to comment only confirms suspicions that he has acted dishonourably and dishonestly, and the trust that he once enjoyed has been destroyed forever.
Regardless off what David Blame-less says regarding "not breaking the rules" and "being cleared by the Fees Office", he has been caught claiming a grossly inflated allowance to supplement his income. I would like him to: 1. Repay the money 2. Resign 3. Be prosecuted with the same vigour we reserve for benefit fraudsters. Running away from reporters and refusing to comment only confirms suspicions that he has acted dishonourably and dishonestly, and the trust that he once enjoyed has been destroyed forever. resident3

8:51pm Fri 29 May 09

mmmm? says...

Soozie wrote:
mmmm? wrote: I'm wonderering firstly how many people here would claim the full amount of money for food expenses if they were doing jury service? This is I believe Tax-payers money, would you also claim for travel???? I also don't understand the whole throat cutting business or name calling, or why anyone would want to bring David Amess's kids into it. This is what I would call bullying.I think this is outrageous, especially a we are supposed to live in a tolerant society. We have freedom of speach, although in somecases it seems to fairly limited on here. I accept that most of you don't agree with his political views and that's fair enough. What ever floats your boat. BUT some of these comments are vile and really quite offensive. I don't think there is anything wrong with buying food or plants that are reduced. Can any one on here explain exactly what the rules are regarding claims for food. I was also wondering Soozie why he was running away from you? Was you calling him names? The other thing i would like to point out if you have something to say in the paper, own it and put your name to it. I reckon the majority of people would claim something, if they could,just look at the claims for whiplash!!It may not be Taxpapers money, but its your premiums.
Scuse me? Where does it say he was running from me you twit? Was you? What kind of English that you muppet?
Sticks and stones etc. Apologies to all, for my dreadful English. My compliments on your phenomenal vocabulary.
[quote][p][bold]Soozie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mmmm?[/bold] wrote: I'm wonderering firstly how many people here would claim the full amount of money for food expenses if they were doing jury service? This is I believe Tax-payers money, would you also claim for travel???? I also don't understand the whole throat cutting business or name calling, or why anyone would want to bring David Amess's kids into it. This is what I would call bullying.I think this is outrageous, especially a we are supposed to live in a tolerant society. We have freedom of speach, although in somecases it seems to fairly limited on here. I accept that most of you don't agree with his political views and that's fair enough. What ever floats your boat. BUT some of these comments are vile and really quite offensive. I don't think there is anything wrong with buying food or plants that are reduced. Can any one on here explain exactly what the rules are regarding claims for food. I was also wondering Soozie why he was running away from you? Was you calling him names? The other thing i would like to point out if you have something to say in the paper, own it and put your name to it. I reckon the majority of people would claim something, if they could,just look at the claims for whiplash!!It may not be Taxpapers money, but its your premiums.[/p][/quote]Scuse me? Where does it say he was running from me you twit? Was you? What kind of English that you muppet?[/p][/quote]Sticks and stones etc. Apologies to all, for my dreadful English. My compliments on your phenomenal vocabulary. mmmm?

8:57pm Fri 29 May 09

mmmm? says...

Soozie wrote:
When the Echo tried to quiz him on the claim, while he was out canvassing in Westcliff, he run away from us and hid in a hairdressers. Creep - and coward.
Right here
[quote][p][bold]Soozie[/bold] wrote: When the Echo tried to quiz him on the claim, while he was out canvassing in Westcliff, he run away from us and hid in a hairdressers. Creep - and coward.[/p][/quote]Right here mmmm?

11:17pm Fri 29 May 09

Nebs says...

It will be a sorry day for this country when an elected MP cannot spend his expenses in any way he sees fit.
It will be a sorry day for this country when an elected MP cannot spend his expenses in any way he sees fit. Nebs

12:36am Sat 30 May 09

revolution23 says...

Come on Proletariat...let's get this going. MMMM? put aside your whiplash comments - it really doesn't help the cause. Yes we know premuims climb due to insurance claims,they are another corrupt bunch who just maximize profits to suit. So what if people claim whiplash, most people are paying out £500 a year to have their car on the road insured. Insurance companies do not have losses, as they can manage their business to this effect. Sad world we live in. However MP's are a car crash waiting to happen. A corrupt and unwholesome way of life. Which slaps in the face of their electorate.MP's are now resigning, paying back money, and party leaders stopping certain expenses - i.e Cameron today, saying food would not be an expense! Need I say any more. People, we need to rise up! We are bailing out banks, that can't manage our money and now it looks like MP's. DON'T FORGET WE ARE IN RECESSION - BUT NOT IF YOU ARE AN MP. Amess, I hope you're reading this! And could you tell us why you were claiming this amount on food? What was it for? Your family, entertaining? What will you do now that Cameron has stopped food payments. I have an allotment that feeds my family, d'you want your name on the waiting list?
Come on Proletariat...let's get this going. MMMM? put aside your whiplash comments - it really doesn't help the cause. Yes we know premuims climb due to insurance claims,they are another corrupt bunch who just maximize profits to suit. So what if people claim whiplash, most people are paying out £500 a year to have their car on the road insured. Insurance companies do not have losses, as they can manage their business to this effect. Sad world we live in. However MP's are a car crash waiting to happen. A corrupt and unwholesome way of life. Which slaps in the face of their electorate.MP's are now resigning, paying back money, and party leaders stopping certain expenses - i.e Cameron today, saying food would not be an expense! Need I say any more. People, we need to rise up! We are bailing out banks, that can't manage our money and now it looks like MP's. DON'T FORGET WE ARE IN RECESSION - BUT NOT IF YOU ARE AN MP. Amess, I hope you're reading this! And could you tell us why you were claiming this amount on food? What was it for? Your family, entertaining? What will you do now that Cameron has stopped food payments. I have an allotment that feeds my family, d'you want your name on the waiting list? revolution23

12:40am Sat 30 May 09

revolution23 says...

I'm hoping all this attention on Amess is not letting Durridge off the hook. People - the battle has yet to commence...onwards and upwards! we'll have all of them accountable.
I'm hoping all this attention on Amess is not letting Durridge off the hook. People - the battle has yet to commence...onwards and upwards! we'll have all of them accountable. revolution23

12:55am Sat 30 May 09

Michael Vincent says...

Nebs wrote:
It will be a sorry day for this country when an elected MP cannot spend his expenses in any way he sees fit.
I take it you're being ironic?
David Amess is quite happy to have his face in the paper opening a school fete but ask him a difficult question and he runs a mile. He is not fit to be an MP. I am ashamed to call him my MP. If I were Southend West Tory Association, I would haul him over the coals and force him to come clean. Refusing to answer questions of legitimate public interest shows how arrogant the man is. Oh how I wish we could get rid of him but sadly the voters of Southend West will vote for him as a default because they vote Conservative.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: It will be a sorry day for this country when an elected MP cannot spend his expenses in any way he sees fit. [/p][/quote]I take it you're being ironic? David Amess is quite happy to have his face in the paper opening a school fete but ask him a difficult question and he runs a mile. He is not fit to be an MP. I am ashamed to call him my MP. If I were Southend West Tory Association, I would haul him over the coals and force him to come clean. Refusing to answer questions of legitimate public interest shows how arrogant the man is. Oh how I wish we could get rid of him but sadly the voters of Southend West will vote for him as a default because they vote Conservative. Michael Vincent

1:16am Sat 30 May 09

revolution23 says...

We must congratulate the Echo for furnishing the people with such pertinent information regarding our MPs. Let's live in hope that the electorate will not blindly vote blue as they have done for may years. Ron Woodley, where are you - we need these independent councils to unite. Tories, Labour and Lib Dems, you have flocked together in safety, you hide behind a badge of honour - behind a parliament that is corrupt - HOW DARE YOU? COUNCILLORS - YOU ARE THE SAME HIDING BEHIND PARTY POLITICS. PEOPLE UNITE, LET'S RID THIS SCOURGE - Amess's annual food bill claimed on expenses amounts to over 4 years of my council tax payment. How do you feel about that David? I struggle to pay this, bet you don't struggle to get this from our taxes. Shame on you.
We must congratulate the Echo for furnishing the people with such pertinent information regarding our MPs. Let's live in hope that the electorate will not blindly vote blue as they have done for may years. Ron Woodley, where are you - we need these independent councils to unite. Tories, Labour and Lib Dems, you have flocked together in safety, you hide behind a badge of honour - behind a parliament that is corrupt - HOW DARE YOU? COUNCILLORS - YOU ARE THE SAME HIDING BEHIND PARTY POLITICS. PEOPLE UNITE, LET'S RID THIS SCOURGE - Amess's annual food bill claimed on expenses amounts to over 4 years of my council tax payment. How do you feel about that David? I struggle to pay this, bet you don't struggle to get this from our taxes. Shame on you. revolution23

1:16am Sat 30 May 09

revolution23 says...

We must congratulate the Echo for furnishing the people with such pertinent information regarding our MPs. Let's live in hope that the electorate will not blindly vote blue as they have done for may years. Ron Woodley, where are you - we need these independent councils to unite. Tories, Labour and Lib Dems, you have flocked together in safety, you hide behind a badge of honour - behind a parliament that is corrupt - HOW DARE YOU? COUNCILLORS - YOU ARE THE SAME HIDING BEHIND PARTY POLITICS. PEOPLE UNITE, LET'S RID THIS SCOURGE - Amess's annual food bill claimed on expenses amounts to over 4 years of my council tax payment. How do you feel about that David? I struggle to pay this, bet you don't struggle to get this from our taxes. Shame on you.
We must congratulate the Echo for furnishing the people with such pertinent information regarding our MPs. Let's live in hope that the electorate will not blindly vote blue as they have done for may years. Ron Woodley, where are you - we need these independent councils to unite. Tories, Labour and Lib Dems, you have flocked together in safety, you hide behind a badge of honour - behind a parliament that is corrupt - HOW DARE YOU? COUNCILLORS - YOU ARE THE SAME HIDING BEHIND PARTY POLITICS. PEOPLE UNITE, LET'S RID THIS SCOURGE - Amess's annual food bill claimed on expenses amounts to over 4 years of my council tax payment. How do you feel about that David? I struggle to pay this, bet you don't struggle to get this from our taxes. Shame on you. revolution23

5:10am Sat 30 May 09

Soozie says...

mmmm? wrote:
Soozie wrote: When the Echo tried to quiz him on the claim, while he was out canvassing in Westcliff, he run away from us and hid in a hairdressers. Creep - and coward.
Right here
that was a quote from the paper, I copied and pasted.Creep and coward I wrote.
[quote][p][bold]mmmm?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soozie[/bold] wrote: When the Echo tried to quiz him on the claim, while he was out canvassing in Westcliff, he run away from us and hid in a hairdressers. Creep - and coward.[/p][/quote]Right here[/p][/quote]that was a quote from the paper, I copied and pasted.Creep and coward I wrote. Soozie

8:43am Sat 30 May 09

charlie croker says...

Good to see the Amess family and the "party" stalwarts posting here.

So Amess has done nothing wrong then, that seems to be the approved response. He was entitled to the money.

OK, please answer me this then, why if he has done nothing wrong, does he feel the need to run and hide from reporter? (MPs usually love appearing in the local paper).

As for comments about it costing significant amounts to work in the West End of London and cost of restaurants. The Palace of Westminster has some outstanding bars and restaurants, and best of all they are TAX FREE! That's right he actually gets to pay less for food and refreshments than us but still feels we should chip in!

Get him out!
Good to see the Amess family and the "party" stalwarts posting here. So Amess has done nothing wrong then, that seems to be the approved response. He was entitled to the money. OK, please answer me this then, why if he has done nothing wrong, does he feel the need to run and hide from reporter? (MPs usually love appearing in the local paper). As for comments about it costing significant amounts to work in the West End of London and cost of restaurants. The Palace of Westminster has some outstanding bars and restaurants, and best of all they are TAX FREE! That's right he actually gets to pay less for food and refreshments than us but still feels we should chip in! Get him out! charlie croker

9:59am Sat 30 May 09

pony says...

I've got a Yeti for a MP. Everybody as heard of him but nobody as seen him.

Don't allow him to get away with the Nurenburg answer (I was only following orders )"I did everything within the rules ."
I've got a Yeti for a MP. Everybody as heard of him but nobody as seen him. Don't allow him to get away with the Nurenburg answer (I was only following orders )"I did everything within the rules ." pony

10:27am Sat 30 May 09

Jane D says...

How unusual for Amess to miss a photo oppportunity!!! I for one would be glad never to see his smarmy Cheshire cat grin all over the local papers. But will the voters in Southend West see sense? Doubtful.
How unusual for Amess to miss a photo oppportunity!!! I for one would be glad never to see his smarmy Cheshire cat grin all over the local papers. But will the voters in Southend West see sense? Doubtful. Jane D

11:25am Sat 30 May 09

resident3 says...

This can all be settled quite easily. If Mr A-Mess can produce receipts for his claims, that will be the end of it. If not, sack him, prosecute and move on.
This can all be settled quite easily. If Mr A-Mess can produce receipts for his claims, that will be the end of it. If not, sack him, prosecute and move on. resident3

12:05pm Sat 30 May 09

shallotman says...

Slightly puzzled as to why we have to pay for his food. Since when has it been down to the taxpayer to feed him, doe's that expanse not come out of the salary we the taxpayer pay him.
Slightly puzzled as to why we have to pay for his food. Since when has it been down to the taxpayer to feed him, doe's that expanse not come out of the salary we the taxpayer pay him. shallotman

12:32pm Sat 30 May 09

googleman says...

i agree with resident3 he or she has said it all in 3 lines of text
i agree with resident3 he or she has said it all in 3 lines of text googleman

4:14pm Sat 30 May 09

typhoon32 says...

charlie croker wrote:
Good to see the Amess family and the "party" stalwarts posting here.

So Amess has done nothing wrong then, that seems to be the approved response. He was entitled to the money.

OK, please answer me this then, why if he has done nothing wrong, does he feel the need to run and hide from reporter? (MPs usually love appearing in the local paper).

As for comments about it costing significant amounts to work in the West End of London and cost of restaurants. The Palace of Westminster has some outstanding bars and restaurants, and best of all they are TAX FREE! That's right he actually gets to pay less for food and refreshments than us but still feels we should chip in!

Get him out!
Well I'd run from the reporters because I dislike them, most politicians dislike news reporters because they are bringers of bad news.

Surely we aren't going to kick MPs out over shopping bills now are we?

This country is being made a fool over this expenses revelations, David Cameron keeps hooting and harping about bringing police in to investigate in the hope that he will regain trust personally and become the next PM, well I hope he dosen't succeed in becoming that.
Again I call on the media to be quite and move on to another story unless of course we are all enjoying getting annoyed over all this
[quote][p][bold]charlie croker[/bold] wrote: Good to see the Amess family and the "party" stalwarts posting here. So Amess has done nothing wrong then, that seems to be the approved response. He was entitled to the money. OK, please answer me this then, why if he has done nothing wrong, does he feel the need to run and hide from reporter? (MPs usually love appearing in the local paper). As for comments about it costing significant amounts to work in the West End of London and cost of restaurants. The Palace of Westminster has some outstanding bars and restaurants, and best of all they are TAX FREE! That's right he actually gets to pay less for food and refreshments than us but still feels we should chip in! Get him out! [/p][/quote]Well I'd run from the reporters because I dislike them, most politicians dislike news reporters because they are bringers of bad news. Surely we aren't going to kick MPs out over shopping bills now are we? This country is being made a fool over this expenses revelations, David Cameron keeps hooting and harping about bringing police in to investigate in the hope that he will regain trust personally and become the next PM, well I hope he dosen't succeed in becoming that. Again I call on the media to be quite and move on to another story unless of course we are all enjoying getting annoyed over all this typhoon32

4:42pm Sat 30 May 09

Michael Vincent says...

typhoon32 wrote:
charlie croker wrote: Good to see the Amess family and the "party" stalwarts posting here. So Amess has done nothing wrong then, that seems to be the approved response. He was entitled to the money. OK, please answer me this then, why if he has done nothing wrong, does he feel the need to run and hide from reporter? (MPs usually love appearing in the local paper). As for comments about it costing significant amounts to work in the West End of London and cost of restaurants. The Palace of Westminster has some outstanding bars and restaurants, and best of all they are TAX FREE! That's right he actually gets to pay less for food and refreshments than us but still feels we should chip in! Get him out!
Well I'd run from the reporters because I dislike them, most politicians dislike news reporters because they are bringers of bad news. Surely we aren't going to kick MPs out over shopping bills now are we? This country is being made a fool over this expenses revelations, David Cameron keeps hooting and harping about bringing police in to investigate in the hope that he will regain trust personally and become the next PM, well I hope he dosen't succeed in becoming that. Again I call on the media to be quite and move on to another story unless of course we are all enjoying getting annoyed over all this
Wrong, wrong, wrong on so many counts. If David Amess is opening a school or church fete does he ever run? No he does not, ever. He is a PUBLIC servant. The media are there to help keep these people accountable. The Telegraph and papers like the Echo have done the public a great service by ensuring these people are held accountable by those who elect them for the first time ever. That is why Amess is running scared. Long may the media hold them to account. We as the public cannot.
[quote][p][bold]typhoon32[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlie croker[/bold] wrote: Good to see the Amess family and the "party" stalwarts posting here. So Amess has done nothing wrong then, that seems to be the approved response. He was entitled to the money. OK, please answer me this then, why if he has done nothing wrong, does he feel the need to run and hide from reporter? (MPs usually love appearing in the local paper). As for comments about it costing significant amounts to work in the West End of London and cost of restaurants. The Palace of Westminster has some outstanding bars and restaurants, and best of all they are TAX FREE! That's right he actually gets to pay less for food and refreshments than us but still feels we should chip in! Get him out! [/p][/quote]Well I'd run from the reporters because I dislike them, most politicians dislike news reporters because they are bringers of bad news. Surely we aren't going to kick MPs out over shopping bills now are we? This country is being made a fool over this expenses revelations, David Cameron keeps hooting and harping about bringing police in to investigate in the hope that he will regain trust personally and become the next PM, well I hope he dosen't succeed in becoming that. Again I call on the media to be quite and move on to another story unless of course we are all enjoying getting annoyed over all this[/p][/quote]Wrong, wrong, wrong on so many counts. If David Amess is opening a school or church fete does he ever run? No he does not, ever. He is a PUBLIC servant. The media are there to help keep these people accountable. The Telegraph and papers like the Echo have done the public a great service by ensuring these people are held accountable by those who elect them for the first time ever. That is why Amess is running scared. Long may the media hold them to account. We as the public cannot. Michael Vincent

4:42pm Sat 30 May 09

Michael Vincent says...

typhoon32 wrote:
charlie croker wrote: Good to see the Amess family and the "party" stalwarts posting here. So Amess has done nothing wrong then, that seems to be the approved response. He was entitled to the money. OK, please answer me this then, why if he has done nothing wrong, does he feel the need to run and hide from reporter? (MPs usually love appearing in the local paper). As for comments about it costing significant amounts to work in the West End of London and cost of restaurants. The Palace of Westminster has some outstanding bars and restaurants, and best of all they are TAX FREE! That's right he actually gets to pay less for food and refreshments than us but still feels we should chip in! Get him out!
Well I'd run from the reporters because I dislike them, most politicians dislike news reporters because they are bringers of bad news. Surely we aren't going to kick MPs out over shopping bills now are we? This country is being made a fool over this expenses revelations, David Cameron keeps hooting and harping about bringing police in to investigate in the hope that he will regain trust personally and become the next PM, well I hope he dosen't succeed in becoming that. Again I call on the media to be quite and move on to another story unless of course we are all enjoying getting annoyed over all this
Wrong, wrong, wrong on so many counts. If David Amess is opening a school or church fete does he ever run? No he does not, ever. He is a PUBLIC servant. The media are there to help keep these people accountable. The Telegraph and papers like the Echo have done the public a great service by ensuring these people are held accountable by those who elect them for the first time ever. That is why Amess is running scared. Long may the media hold them to account. We as the public cannot.
[quote][p][bold]typhoon32[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlie croker[/bold] wrote: Good to see the Amess family and the "party" stalwarts posting here. So Amess has done nothing wrong then, that seems to be the approved response. He was entitled to the money. OK, please answer me this then, why if he has done nothing wrong, does he feel the need to run and hide from reporter? (MPs usually love appearing in the local paper). As for comments about it costing significant amounts to work in the West End of London and cost of restaurants. The Palace of Westminster has some outstanding bars and restaurants, and best of all they are TAX FREE! That's right he actually gets to pay less for food and refreshments than us but still feels we should chip in! Get him out! [/p][/quote]Well I'd run from the reporters because I dislike them, most politicians dislike news reporters because they are bringers of bad news. Surely we aren't going to kick MPs out over shopping bills now are we? This country is being made a fool over this expenses revelations, David Cameron keeps hooting and harping about bringing police in to investigate in the hope that he will regain trust personally and become the next PM, well I hope he dosen't succeed in becoming that. Again I call on the media to be quite and move on to another story unless of course we are all enjoying getting annoyed over all this[/p][/quote]Wrong, wrong, wrong on so many counts. If David Amess is opening a school or church fete does he ever run? No he does not, ever. He is a PUBLIC servant. The media are there to help keep these people accountable. The Telegraph and papers like the Echo have done the public a great service by ensuring these people are held accountable by those who elect them for the first time ever. That is why Amess is running scared. Long may the media hold them to account. We as the public cannot. Michael Vincent

9:25am Sun 31 May 09

pony says...

Less than £3 a day to feed a soldier.

Less than £14 a day to feed a coward.
Less than £3 a day to feed a soldier. Less than £14 a day to feed a coward. pony

8:18am Mon 1 Jun 09

Dave_smith79 says...

So what do these MP's spend their salary on?
From what I understand thay can claim on pretty much anything. I would not be surprised if holidays are included as international relations.
We the public have to be spend our hard earned on everything, food for work, clothing, travel and are paid no where near the same. If we tried the same as them we would be jailed for tax evasion, but they have managed to make rules for themselves. No wonder they don't want to quit easy and work/live in the real world.
The cheek to say everyone has fiddled expenses at work, makes the laugh. The difference is work for most people is not public sector, so when claiming we don't get carte blanche on what we can claim on. And if too much appears to be spent then we will be held accoutable.
So what do these MP's spend their salary on? From what I understand thay can claim on pretty much anything. I would not be surprised if holidays are included as international relations. We the public have to be spend our hard earned on everything, food for work, clothing, travel and are paid no where near the same. If we tried the same as them we would be jailed for tax evasion, but they have managed to make rules for themselves. No wonder they don't want to quit easy and work/live in the real world. The cheek to say everyone has fiddled expenses at work, makes the laugh. The difference is work for most people is not public sector, so when claiming we don't get carte blanche on what we can claim on. And if too much appears to be spent then we will be held accoutable. Dave_smith79

11:44am Mon 1 Jun 09

mmmm? says...

No one said "everyone fiddled expenses at work". I think it's about 1 in 5 of the population that work in the public sector.
No one said "everyone fiddled expenses at work". I think it's about 1 in 5 of the population that work in the public sector. mmmm?

2:49pm Mon 1 Jun 09

Dave_smith79 says...

The excuse was alot of people have fiddled expenses from work.
Which is wrong, but generaly expenses are scrutinised by the company, and if lunch cost £20 then questions would be asked.
Do you think £100 a week for lunch is reasonable. I pay less for a whole weeks worth of food.
Perhaps they should cut or change their diet (especialy with obesity increasing as we are told often by the government burdening the NHS)if they can't afford to dip in their own pocket like everyone else has to.
The excuse was alot of people have fiddled expenses from work. Which is wrong, but generaly expenses are scrutinised by the company, and if lunch cost £20 then questions would be asked. Do you think £100 a week for lunch is reasonable. I pay less for a whole weeks worth of food. Perhaps they should cut or change their diet (especialy with obesity increasing as we are told often by the government burdening the NHS)if they can't afford to dip in their own pocket like everyone else has to. Dave_smith79

4:25pm Mon 1 Jun 09

Nebs says...

If your boss suddenly said to you that they wanted you to be available to work in both southend and central london, and you'd be told the night before where you would be working, and you'd be told the time you had to report and the finish time would be determined by when the work is finished, what would you expect them to pay towards your expenses? I'd want everything extra, over and above what I normally pay at home.

I am starting to feel that this is being blown out of all proportion. Arrest the fraudsters and leave the rest to get on with their job.

Maybe all public servants, of whatever grade, should publish their expenses - I can't imagine Sir Humphrey Appleby would suffer a cheese sandwich for dinner if forced to work late. It's the same for MP's, I wouldn't expect them to stay in a £40/night Bed and Breakfast. They should have cleaners for their second homes, and gardeners - they work long hours and for the duration of their position I want them to spend as much time as is necessary to deal with affairs of state. If that means eating out to save time cooking and washing up then so be it.

If all the MP's only worked the same number of hours as Joe Public then nothing would get done. Maybe they should start to fight back, and start quoting EU working hours regulations when they walk out of parliament at 6pm, half way through a debate on Wednesday, as they've already done their hours for the week. For the job they do, and the responsibility they have, the pay is a disgrace. Thats not an excuse to fiddle expenses, but if this matter isn't resolved sensibly then nobody with the skills for the job is going to want to stand for parliament.
If your boss suddenly said to you that they wanted you to be available to work in both southend and central london, and you'd be told the night before where you would be working, and you'd be told the time you had to report and the finish time would be determined by when the work is finished, what would you expect them to pay towards your expenses? I'd want everything extra, over and above what I normally pay at home. I am starting to feel that this is being blown out of all proportion. Arrest the fraudsters and leave the rest to get on with their job. Maybe all public servants, of whatever grade, should publish their expenses - I can't imagine Sir Humphrey Appleby would suffer a cheese sandwich for dinner if forced to work late. It's the same for MP's, I wouldn't expect them to stay in a £40/night Bed and Breakfast. They should have cleaners for their second homes, and gardeners - they work long hours and for the duration of their position I want them to spend as much time as is necessary to deal with affairs of state. If that means eating out to save time cooking and washing up then so be it. If all the MP's only worked the same number of hours as Joe Public then nothing would get done. Maybe they should start to fight back, and start quoting EU working hours regulations when they walk out of parliament at 6pm, half way through a debate on Wednesday, as they've already done their hours for the week. For the job they do, and the responsibility they have, the pay is a disgrace. Thats not an excuse to fiddle expenses, but if this matter isn't resolved sensibly then nobody with the skills for the job is going to want to stand for parliament. Nebs

5:00pm Mon 1 Jun 09

Nebs says...

Soozie wrote:
And to add insult to injury to the taxpayer... http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/newstopi cs/mps-expenses/5402 787/MPs-expenses-MPs -shamed-into-standin g-down-in-line-for-p ay-offs.html
Soozie,
This one is easy to remedy.
1. Change the law, as they are talking about doing, to allow the removal of an MP before a general election if a certain percentage of the electorate call for a by election and the MP is found to have done something materially wrong.
2. Make sure all the fraudsters are re-elected at the next general election.
3. Chuck them out the next day.
No dodgy MP's and no compensation for them.
[quote][p][bold]Soozie[/bold] wrote: And to add insult to injury to the taxpayer... http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/newstopi cs/mps-expenses/5402 787/MPs-expenses-MPs -shamed-into-standin g-down-in-line-for-p ay-offs.html[/p][/quote]Soozie, This one is easy to remedy. 1. Change the law, as they are talking about doing, to allow the removal of an MP before a general election if a certain percentage of the electorate call for a by election and the MP is found to have done something materially wrong. 2. Make sure all the fraudsters are re-elected at the next general election. 3. Chuck them out the next day. No dodgy MP's and no compensation for them. Nebs

5:59pm Mon 1 Jun 09

mmmm? says...

I do spend more than £100 a week on shopping and I'm not fat!!! I think I misunderstood what you said. Assuming that it is £20 for lunch then, yes it's alot of money. However, I wasn't looking at it from that angle. Say for example you leave home at 4.30am so you are at work for 6.00am get something to eat. then you maybe have a meeting and then answer letters to constituants, each letter may generate further letters and calls. Then you're called to sit in the house. So you grab something to eat. This goes on for 4 hours, back to office to meet with researchers and breif them. Grab a coffee on the way to meet another mp regarding another consistuancy matter and this is going to take while to sort out. Then get something to eat. As you have to work late, because there still more letters to answer, which you are recieving through the post, fax and Email. Ask an assisstant if they can stay late to help you, this is voluntary so you get them a burger and you finish at 10.00pm. I am not saying that this is how it works, its just the way I am looking at it. You are right, it is absolutey correct to scrutinise exspenses.
I do spend more than £100 a week on shopping and I'm not fat!!! I think I misunderstood what you said. Assuming that it is £20 for lunch then, yes it's alot of money. However, I wasn't looking at it from that angle. Say for example you leave home at 4.30am so you are at work for 6.00am get something to eat. then you maybe have a meeting and then answer letters to constituants, each letter may generate further letters and calls. Then you're called to sit in the house. So you grab something to eat. This goes on for 4 hours, back to office to meet with researchers and breif them. Grab a coffee on the way to meet another mp regarding another consistuancy matter and this is going to take while to sort out. Then get something to eat. As you have to work late, because there still more letters to answer, which you are recieving through the post, fax and Email. Ask an assisstant if they can stay late to help you, this is voluntary so you get them a burger and you finish at 10.00pm. I am not saying that this is how it works, its just the way I am looking at it. You are right, it is absolutey correct to scrutinise exspenses. mmmm?

12:00am Tue 2 Jun 09

revolution23 says...

Nebs, I thought you started off with one of this lovely sarcastic prologues, then reading further f all MP's worked the same as Joe Public then nothing would get done..... for the job they do the pay is a disgrace.... c'mom! You can employ your rellies, have a second home, also have another job, on a board of something - Amess is on the Caravan Club!
And expenses - wow! Can you hae a great time. If my numeration included, a second home, plus the refurbishment of - then I decided to sell it and make a profit, I'd be onto a winner - Can't you see where this is going! Sorry, but us people are counting pennies out here in the real world, lots losing jobs, council tax payments at a premimum - £1000+ a year that's a joke - where's our money going - I know where David Amess's food bill plus James Durridge's housing bill - although he has a flat in London - we have to fund another one - give me strength - this lot are having a right laugh on us!
Nebs, I thought you started off with one of this lovely sarcastic prologues, then reading further f all MP's worked the same as Joe Public then nothing would get done..... for the job they do the pay is a disgrace.... c'mom! You can employ your rellies, have a second home, also have another job, on a board of something - Amess is on the Caravan Club! And expenses - wow! Can you hae a great time. If my numeration included, a second home, plus the refurbishment of - then I decided to sell it and make a profit, I'd be onto a winner - Can't you see where this is going! Sorry, but us people are counting pennies out here in the real world, lots losing jobs, council tax payments at a premimum - £1000+ a year that's a joke - where's our money going - I know where David Amess's food bill plus James Durridge's housing bill - although he has a flat in London - we have to fund another one - give me strength - this lot are having a right laugh on us! revolution23

12:22pm Tue 2 Jun 09

resident3 says...

SHOW US THE RECEIPTS!!
SHOW US THE RECEIPTS!! resident3

4:46pm Tue 2 Jun 09

Dave_smith79 says...

Maybe they should start working the same as Joe public. Then they may understand how much we have to pay out of our own hard earned on Taxes that seem to increase with little or no improvement to services. Some MP's may work hard and those ones should be praised and highlighted as much as the bad. But in the mean time those trusted to run the country have lets us down and made themselves rich. No doubt all those standing down will land high-end consultancy or management roles somewhere so I am not shedding any tears. The should count themselves lucky as not many people made redundent will get the same payoff.
Maybe they should start working the same as Joe public. Then they may understand how much we have to pay out of our own hard earned on Taxes that seem to increase with little or no improvement to services. Some MP's may work hard and those ones should be praised and highlighted as much as the bad. But in the mean time those trusted to run the country have lets us down and made themselves rich. No doubt all those standing down will land high-end consultancy or management roles somewhere so I am not shedding any tears. The should count themselves lucky as not many people made redundent will get the same payoff. Dave_smith79

7:37am Wed 3 Jun 09

Soozie says...

No doubt all those standing down will land high-end consultancy or management roles somewhere so I am not shedding any tears.

Dave I wouldn't count on it. If these MPs are brought up on any kind of fraud charge, or criminal charge their chances of landing a high end consultancy job are pretty slim.

Many compainies now do back ground checks (especially banks) and if you have any stain on your record, they won't touch you with a barge pole. It wasn't such a long time ago that you couldn't get a job in a bank if you had ever been overdrawn.

And with all the negative publicity right now, only a company who has a death sentence would take one of these creeps on.
No doubt all those standing down will land high-end consultancy or management roles somewhere so I am not shedding any tears. Dave I wouldn't count on it. If these MPs are brought up on any kind of fraud charge, or criminal charge their chances of landing a high end consultancy job are pretty slim. Many compainies now do back ground checks (especially banks) and if you have any stain on your record, they won't touch you with a barge pole. It wasn't such a long time ago that you couldn't get a job in a bank if you had ever been overdrawn. And with all the negative publicity right now, only a company who has a death sentence would take one of these creeps on. Soozie

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