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Updated: Protest over canine beach ban


DOG lovers vowed to fight Southend Council on the beaches as they took part in a mass protest against a proposed ban.

More than 100 protesters gathered on Thorpe Bay beach to voice their anger against the council’s planned new laws.

The proposals, which look likely to go ahead, would mean dogs are banned from beaches between May 1 and September 30, and in public play areas and sports courts all year round.

About 150 dog walkers turned out at the beach on Friday afternoon to show their anger at the idea.

Norman Yardy, from Brentwood, is one of the organisers of the event.

He said walking his black labrador, Millie, along Thorpe Bay beach helps him battle his bipolar disorder.

He said: “I bought a hut along here last year, because it was a dog-friendly beach.

“I have a dog and I only learnt two weeks ago the council was introducing this ban.

“This is a place I can relax and rest. Dogs are such a blessing to people with depression.”

The council put forward the plan last year, which would mean dog owners could be fined £50 if they break the rules.

The scheme went to public consultation and two thirds of the 623 people who responded were against the idea.

Protesters were joined by Ron Woodley, independent councillor for Thorpe ward, who said he thought the council’s decision was pre-determined.

He said: “We saw signs go up along the beaches prior to the public consultation and the consultation clearly showed people don’t want the dog bans, but the council are prepared to bulldoze it through.

“This is why people don’t vote. This is not a democracy, it’s a dictatorship because they are ignoring what the people want.

“We can’t condemn these people. We should enforce the law for people who don’t pick up after their dogs.”

Southend Council’s head of public protection, Dipti Patel, said: “A report is going to be considered by the council’s cabinet on Tuesday, with the latest proposals for dog control orders.

“These proposals have been reviewed following a public consultation on the details of the planned orders earlier this year.

“We want to ensure Southend continues to sustain its Blue Flag status for its beaches.”

Comments(70)

Winston Smith says...
11:07am Sat 13 Jun 09

I sympathise with the owners, to an extent, but dogs have always been barred from Southends beaches during the summer months. This is nothing new.

I will also point out that 150 people out of about 160,000 living in the Southend area, is a tiny minority, it is less than 0.1% of Southend's population.

Curbishly says...
11:29am Sat 13 Jun 09

Well Well Well What a surprise. Of Course no-one ever thought that Southend Council would ban dogs ...now would they?

Suggest we remember this when the local elections come around.

kathy says...
11:41am Sat 13 Jun 09

Curbishly wrote:
Well Well Well What a surprise. Of Course no-one ever thought that Southend Council would ban dogs ...now would they?

Suggest we remember this when the local elections come around.
I don't think "Allowing dogs to go wherever they like" will feature in many manifestos do you?

Last Poster says...
11:42am Sat 13 Jun 09

Ah well, Curbishly, at least we now see whom to blame for Mr Spinx being in power! I take it you drive to Southend to walk your dog on their beach then, (presuming Castle Point is on your Signature for the obvious reason) but of course there being little to attract you to Castle Point beaches you would, wouldn't you?

Curbishly says...
1:20pm Sat 13 Jun 09

Last Poster wrote:
Ah well, Curbishly, at least we now see whom to blame for Mr Spinx being in power! I take it you drive to Southend to walk your dog on their beach then, (presuming Castle Point is on your Signature for the obvious reason) but of course there being little to attract you to Castle Point beaches you would, wouldn't you?
Oh how wonderful a genuine parochial numpty?

Just think, someone from the next town along is not allowed to comment on matters in Southend.

"They be odd and weird strangers they Castle Pointers".

This to be said in a yokel Southend accent.

evilc says...
1:36pm Sat 13 Jun 09

Who in their tiny mind would ever agree with allowing dogs on the beach.

we went on the beach recently with our two grandchildren every 5 mins along came a dog off the lead which runs straight towards our grandchildren which to say the least is terrifying because most of the dogs look like bloody fighting dogs!

Then there was the small dogs with their stupid pathetic owners treating their dam dogs like children with the pathetic comment 'it wont hurt you'

Sorry where kids play dogs should stay away!!

AND DO NOT FORGET 150 out of over 200,000 people is nothing compared to those that agree with the ban!!

sue1970 says...
1:41pm Sat 13 Jun 09

i think banning dogs on beaches is a great idea as not all dog owners are responsible enough to clean up after there dogs and who wants to take there children to the beach for them to end up covered in dog muck while digging in the sand also dogs r often let off leads to run on beaches what about kids that are scared of dogs u do not expect to sit on a beach and have dogs running round you there are plenty of places to walk dogs so no need for them to be on the beach

Trainman says...
3:19pm Sat 13 Jun 09

As a Responsible dog-owner myself, Dogs, OR their owners are NOT always those responsible for mess on beaches. Some ADULTS are worse and I Have seen it at Southend.

As for kids supposedly getting 'covered' in dog mess, they must deposit a huge amount to do this. What is wrong with a drop of sea-water to wash ANY amount off, for crying out loud?

There IS already a ban on Dogs on beaches along North Norfolk Coast and owners have YET to complain, while there is always somewhere else to walk them.

kde says...
3:24pm Sat 13 Jun 09

I was at this protest not because I have a dog, but because I'm sick and tried of being told what to do..

English and Proud says...
4:34pm Sat 13 Jun 09

As dogs are already banned from our beaches during the summer months I hope they all get fined for breaking the law.

kde says...
4:55pm Sat 13 Jun 09

You may hope my friend but no one got fined for breaking statue, nor will they.

VictoriaLS says...
5:06pm Sat 13 Jun 09

evilc wrote:
Who in their tiny mind would ever agree with allowing dogs on the beach. we went on the beach recently with our two grandchildren every 5 mins along came a dog off the lead which runs straight towards our grandchildren which to say the least is terrifying because most of the dogs look like bloody fighting dogs! Then there was the small dogs with their stupid pathetic owners treating their dam dogs like children with the pathetic comment 'it wont hurt you' Sorry where kids play dogs should stay away!! AND DO NOT FORGET 150 out of over 200,000 people is nothing compared to those that agree with the ban!!
Couldn't have said better myself! Exactly the same experience as you evilc at Thorpe Bay beach just a couple of weeks ago!

Rick Jones says...
5:26pm Sat 13 Jun 09

Saw this protest on Anglia news the "responsible" owners were letting the dogs play in the kiddies splash pool.

They were screaming and shouting at the council offical whist ignoring the fact the dogs were running free near the road.

When the Nephew was on the beach playing sandcastles a dog ran over and weed on it (the castle not the nephew!) the owners just kept on walking ignoring what had happed.

Most dog owners responsible yeah right. No dogs on the beach end of...

kde says...
5:40pm Sat 13 Jun 09

OMG! Dogs were playing in the kiddies splash pool the horror of it!!!!

Don South says...
6:20pm Sat 13 Jun 09

Wouldnt want my dog on the beach - covered in litter and broken glass.

I wouldnt want my dog near the sea - full of human poo.

Iron Mighty says...
6:23pm Sat 13 Jun 09

They've had such restrictions in place in east Kent (where I originally come from) for many, many years during the summer months, and very few dog owners are bothered that they can't take their pets on the beaches during the summer. Perhaps the 'do as we like and blow everyone else' attitude that many people in south Essex sadly seem to has made them more vociferous in their opposition to the restriction, which on the face of it, is quite sensible?

Iron Mighty says...
6:25pm Sat 13 Jun 09

They've had such restrictions in place in east Kent (where I originally come from) for many, many years during the summer months, and very few dog owners are bothered that they can't take their pets on the beaches during the summer. Perhaps the 'do as we like and blow everyone else' attitude that many people in south Essex sadly seem to have has made them more vociferous in their opposition to the restriction, which on the face of it, is quite sensible?

gloming says...
6:26pm Sat 13 Jun 09

Oh for crying out loud!!!! How many places are there now to walk dogs in the southend area? Do they want to ban ALL dogs? I suppose everyone objects to the few instances of dog mess (left by irresponsible owners) but it's totally ok to leave soiled nappies, empty cans, vast amounts of horses faeces, smouldering bbq's etc on the beaches.
For goodness sake get a life folks and consider other people - and by that I do mean dog owners and non-owners!!!

firedog says...
7:08pm Sat 13 Jun 09

Try walking on the grass at east beach
Shoebury You wont see the sea,you will be looking down trying to miss treading in the dog
sxxt.Which these responsible oweners never noticed theirv dogs doing.

LocalBoy says...
7:36pm Sat 13 Jun 09

Sadly a significant minority of dog owners are A-holes.
They have spoiled things for the responsible owners and those of us who like dogs even if we don't own one.

Dog faeces can carry diseases that are particularly harmful to children. The ban is to be expected.

Ian from Southend says...
7:55pm Sat 13 Jun 09



When I kitesurf on East Beach the common area where we set up is often covered in dog sh!te.

With so many dogs on the beach in the picture above I would not want to follow that lot.

Selfish, dirty behaviour.


cris300 says...
7:56pm Sat 13 Jun 09

i have three dogs my-self snd always clean their crap up when walking them..its a good idea cause you always get the mugs that dont .. just have a walk round gunners park .if you dare its like the somme !

Winston Smith says...
8:08pm Sat 13 Jun 09

Ian from Southend wrote:


When I kitesurf on East Beach the common area where we set up is often covered in dog sh!te.

With so many dogs on the beach in the picture above I would not want to follow that lot.

Selfish, dirty behaviour.

I have stopped riding my bike through East Beach because I got fed up with having to wash the dog sh!t off my tyres every time I got home afterwards.

SARFENDMAN says...
8:28pm Sat 13 Jun 09

Here we go once again with the tail wagging the dog so as to say. Have the Council put their "foot in in it" once again. Could they get twitchy in the same way as the Airport? Can the Council hold their nerve over losing another 100 votes? Reckon the protest era is back. Yeah Man! What's next?

woody88 says...
8:35pm Sat 13 Jun 09

Of all the wrongs and injustice in the world and this lot choose walking dogs on a fecking beach.

Take your mutt to the park. Christ alive. Are your day to day lives so boring that you have to cause a ruction over a minor issue just for a little entertainment?

Who wants to go to a beach and either tread in dog sh!t or be pestered by the bloody things?!

Not me, that's for sure. And many more Southend residents too, I would have thought.

Why does walking your dog on the beach mean so much to you!?

Get a grip you tedious dullards.

KL says...
8:50pm Sat 13 Jun 09

I wouldn't take my dog to southend beach anyway, Its not other dogs i'm worried about its all the scumbag humans. I can understand why people will be upset with people not clearing there dog mess away, but wot about humans that don't clear up beer cans, rubbish, needles and other dirty stuff thats covering them beaches.

kde says...
8:51pm Sat 13 Jun 09

Sounds like you have a lot of anger dude whats up, if people wanna walk on the beach let them, live and let live. Sure clean dog mess up. We wouldn't want that mixing in with all the other crap on the beach.

perini says...
11:23pm Sat 13 Jun 09

gloming wrote:
Oh for crying out loud!!!! How many places are there now to walk dogs in the southend area? Do they want to ban ALL dogs? I suppose everyone objects to the few instances of dog mess (left by irresponsible owners) but it's totally ok to leave soiled nappies, empty cans, vast amounts of horses faeces, smouldering bbq's etc on the beaches. For goodness sake get a life folks and consider other people - and by that I do mean dog owners and non-owners!!!
How about every street!! You choose to have a dog so don't impose it on everyone else, especially in leisure areas - ie beaches, parks etc. Unfortunately, the majority of dog owners are irresponsible imo so you you only have yourselves to blame - and according to the 'vast' amount that could be bothered to protest, most people seem to agree with the ban. Keep it at your home - you don't need to share it with others!

Soozie says...
12:21am Sun 14 Jun 09

I suppose if all dog owners cleaned up their dogs poop and had them on leashes, this never would have become a problem. I wonder how many of those who 'protested' wanted the beach to walk their doggies, to avoid cleaning up their poop? Don't believe me...take a walk along the beach to Leigh on a Sunday morning - the blue haired's are out in full force, looking furtively around whilst their beloved Rover craps on the beach. There are doggie doo bins along the seafront, I have yet to see one of these people clean up after Rover and use them.

Curbishly says...
7:58am Sun 14 Jun 09

Soozie wrote:
I suppose if all dog owners cleaned up their dogs poop and had them on leashes, this never would have become a problem. I wonder how many of those who 'protested' wanted the beach to walk their doggies, to avoid cleaning up their poop? Don't believe me...take a walk along the beach to Leigh on a Sunday morning - the blue haired's are out in full force, looking furtively around whilst their beloved Rover craps on the beach. There are doggie doo bins along the seafront, I have yet to see one of these people clean up after Rover and use them.
Looks like you're part of the anti-dog brigade with their lies, deliberate mis-representations and holier than thou attitude.

I bet you vote Labour too.

lr1984 says...
8:26am Sun 14 Jun 09

There is already a ban on the beaches from May-September so that's nothing new. It also means all those protesters should be having fines for walking the dogs on the beach during the ban.

girliegirl says...
9:14am Sun 14 Jun 09

I agree with this action. I was at Maldon Park the other day when this dog ran up and did the worse runny poo ever, in front of us. It was so busy down there that it was impossible to tell who the owner was, but needless to say no one came by and cleared it up. There were kids running around and people with pushchairs. Unfortunately the minority clear up the mess the rest don't, thats why this ban is being put in place. I for one love my dog but also would rather go on a day out and not have to watch the ground constantly.

evilc says...
9:17am Sun 14 Jun 09

By reading all the comments on here alone it is obvious that there is enormous anger about the terrible mess that dogs create.

My family stopped using Priory Park Southend several years ago purely because of the fact our then young children were unable to walk ANYWHERE because of the sh1t.

Yesterday we walked along Southend Seafront from Westcliff to Adventure Land and every 100 yds there was a fat thug with a fighting dog on extended leads allowing their dogs on the beach.

HOWEVER I did not see one sign stating 'NO DOGS ON THE BEACH'

So one hopes that when this well and truly wanted law comes into effect the signs will go up letting the day trippers know:

IT IS OUR BEACH US HUMANS AND NOT A DOG TOILET!!

AND IF YOU WANT A DOG (or to most twits it is 3 or 4 now days)TEACH IT TO CRAP AT YOUR HOME GROUND.

fletch12107 says...
9:31am Sun 14 Jun 09

Dogs need to go to the toilet same as us humans but they dont have the same sanitary system set up for them. That said we humans have a very good set up but a lot choose to go down the dog route and use the street/beach... just check out Southend High Street Fri/Sat night. It is my view that dogs should be kept on a lead when in public places to avoid frightening people that dont like them but again the dog doesn't get much say in that either.
As for poo on the beach dont forget cats,foxes,rats,bird
s and all other manner of wild life use it as well.

Martin The Vampire says...
9:31am Sun 14 Jun 09

Martin the Vampire thinks the dogs should stick to the woods and not the beach!!

well! well! says...
9:34am Sun 14 Jun 09

Dogs banned from beaches May to September not a problem been in place years responsible owners abide by this and clean up the rest of the year. however hoards of people use the beaches leave glass, nappies , bbq's, food, rubbish condoms etc etc and thats fine because they are aloud on the beach! I no longer have a dog but will support dog owners. This namby pamby state we now live in will mean in years to come people will go to zoo's to see dogs!
Why cant we all live together and respect each other . Dog owners and humans clean up all crap not just dog mess.

homelessaura says...
10:36am Sun 14 Jun 09

And to make the point that they are 'responsible' dog owners,some of the protestors let their dogs have a good old paddle in the children's paddling pool.

Safend Dave says...
10:57am Sun 14 Jun 09

I say BAN the dirty poo machines, and most of those protesters are not much cleaner, ban the vermin, beaches are for people not Dog's.
Let us have a place where our children can play in safety without getting bitten or playing in dog poo.....BAN THEM FOR EVER!!!

westcliffboy says...
12:52pm Sun 14 Jun 09

I'm in the photo and was one of the protestors. A couple of points:

1. All the dogs were well-behaved.
2. The 5/6 dogs which went into the kidies pool - well, the oweners were out-of-order and were just being stupid. BTW - I think all five owners live in Thorpe Bay.
I would never normally take my dog on the beach during the summer - unless it's before 0700 or after 2200 - when there's no one about. And I always pick up.
During the summer, dog stays on lead along the front and runs in places like Gunner's Park.
3. The point about the proposed Dog Control Orders - good in part BUT a blanket ban, and severe restrictions inn parks as well, will mean dogs cannot run free almost anywhere in Southend. That's not a good idea - and would actually be classed as animail cruelty. The owners have to be better trained and all dogs should by law be registered, with the old dog licence reintrocu=ced and linked to the national id chip system. That way, you can trace dogs and owners and it would enocurage better ownership and choice of breed. I;ve had to rescue two large dogs in the last year, where owners chose totally wrong breeds and then left them all day, locked up in houses anf flats. Crazy dogs - Stupid owners.
Let's have a dog-owners licenece with compulsory test before being allowed to pruchase. That would really make a difference!
Meantime, Councillor Roberts and Officer Patel - listen to commonsense and donlt follow a political PC agneda. Southend has got a lot of infrastructire problems like broken sorm drains fouling the beaches night after night - sort them out first and use OUR money to good purpose.

daveyboy25 says...
12:59pm Sun 14 Jun 09

southend a beach its the dirtiest dump i have ever seen i wouldnt let my dog anywhere near that discusting slop southend call a beach you can keep it, when the tide goes out looks more like a ses pit

RS 588 says...
1:29pm Sun 14 Jun 09

The protesters appear to be protecting their rights to own dogs. What about the vast majority of people who would like the right to enjoy parks, open spaces and beaches without getting covered in stinking dogs feces. What about the rights of children who have had their faces ripped apart by dogs. There is a dcumented risk attached to driving whilst using a mobile phone so there are lawas that make it an offence, there are riskas attached to seeling food that is past it's sell by date so retailers that do so are commiting an offence. There is a helth risk attached by comming into conatct with dog feces and a risk of injury or death from dangerous dogs. There is NO difference.

Soozie says...
6:51pm Sun 14 Jun 09

You tw(at, I'm not anti anything, nor did I vote labour, not that it is any of your biz, I ,made a statement nothing more. nothing less/ Morons like you turn everything political should be shot and peed on.


evilc says...
7:13pm Sun 14 Jun 09

What is interesting is almost as many people on here voted a big 'No' to the automated **** machine brigade that protested.

Lets face it 100 people not exactly convincing is it come you lot toodle poo.

Rick Jones says...
10:47pm Sun 14 Jun 09

daveyboy25 wrote:
southend a beach its the dirtiest dump i have ever seen i wouldnt let my dog anywhere near that discusting slop southend call a beach you can keep it, when the tide goes out looks more like a ses pit
What a wally "When the tide goes out" you really do not understand that tides come in and tides go out its something that happens eversince the earth was created tides have come in and tides have gone out its a Mother Nature thing.


Southend Beachs are CLEANER than Brighton, Margate, Bournemouth, Eastbourne, Blackpool

siddymint says...
6:42am Mon 15 Jun 09

This protest was on a friday why aren't these people working.
So they got lots of spare time to learn how to look after a dog and volenteer to clean the beaches. Also no one has mentioned the dog pee and thats the main problem.

Curbishly says...
10:38am Mon 15 Jun 09

Soozie wrote:
You tw(at, I'm not anti anything, nor did I vote labour, not that it is any of your biz, I ,made a statement nothing more. nothing less/ Morons like you turn everything political should be shot and peed on.

The link below is from the BBC News and tells of how three youths stamped and kicked a Fawn to death.

Something I have little doubt you and the rest of the anti-dog/animal brigade find reasonable.

It is also clear that you want anyone who disagrees with you to be shot.

Obviously stamping a defenceless baby deer to death and shooting people shows just how sick you, your two mates and the rest of the anti-animal brigade are.



http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/england/dorse
t/8096176.stm

Soozie says...
11:01am Mon 15 Jun 09

Curbishly wrote:
Soozie wrote: You tw(at, I'm not anti anything, nor did I vote labour, not that it is any of your biz, I ,made a statement nothing more. nothing less/ Morons like you turn everything political should be shot and peed on.
The link below is from the BBC News and tells of how three youths stamped and kicked a Fawn to death. Something I have little doubt you and the rest of the anti-dog/animal brigade find reasonable. It is also clear that you want anyone who disagrees with you to be shot. Obviously stamping a defenceless baby deer to death and shooting people shows just how sick you, your two mates and the rest of the anti-animal brigade are. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/england/dorse t/8096176.stm
WTF are you on about?
You on drugs or something? I'm not anti animal at all.

Where does it say I am?

You are accusing me of stamping a deer to death??? I think you need to tread carefully on that one pal.....That is slander and you can be heavily sued for that.

I suggest that you apologise to me for making a very untrue and hurtful accusation - or trust me i will seek legal advise on what my options are of bring you to book! I have no qualms about going after you financially.

And don't think for an instance I am joking.


Sir Henry Rawlinson says...
12:24pm Mon 15 Jun 09

Curbishly: At the risk of appearing to be an ingratiating big sooky sook, I can't quite work out the tangential thought process you have gone through to associate Soozie with the 'anti-dog brigade' never mind fawn killing.

The vast majority of posts on this thread (and other similar stories in the past) have been from people who object to stepping in piles of doggydirt or having their children intimidated by Southend's finest and their uncontrolled (uncontrollable?) little darlings so i can't quite work out why you should pick on one poster.

Soozie - good luck with your claim although I would recommend you go for libel rather than slander given the printed nature of the comments.

Rick Jones says...
1:10pm Mon 15 Jun 09

Soozie wrote:
Curbishly wrote:
Soozie wrote: You tw(at, I'm not anti anything, nor did I vote labour, not that it is any of your biz, I ,made a statement nothing more. nothing less/ Morons like you turn everything political should be shot and peed on.
The link below is from the BBC News and tells of how three youths stamped and kicked a Fawn to death. Something I have little doubt you and the rest of the anti-dog/animal brigade find reasonable. It is also clear that you want anyone who disagrees with you to be shot. Obviously stamping a defenceless baby deer to death and shooting people shows just how sick you, your two mates and the rest of the anti-animal brigade are. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/england/dorse t/8096176.stm
WTF are you on about? You on drugs or something? I'm not anti animal at all. Where does it say I am? You are accusing me of stamping a deer to death??? I think you need to tread carefully on that one pal.....That is slander and you can be heavily sued for that. I suggest that you apologise to me for making a very untrue and hurtful accusation - or trust me i will seek legal advise on what my options are of bring you to book! I have no qualms about going after you financially. And don't think for an instance I am joking.
Just because people do not want dogs on the beach does not make them anti animal.

The sick freaks who killed the fawn need stringing up by the danglies (if you could find the danglies) I do not want dog on the beach for Hygiene and safety a big dog could easly hurt a toddler if it runs into them or worse attacks, Hygiene you can pick up poo but not wee simples as that.Like I said in the past open Shoebury East beach & the commen up for dogs all other beachs are closed off.

Winston Smith says...
1:42pm Mon 15 Jun 09

Rick Jones wrote:
Soozie wrote:
Curbishly wrote:
Soozie wrote: You tw(at, I'm not anti anything, nor did I vote labour, not that it is any of your biz, I ,made a statement nothing more. nothing less/ Morons like you turn everything political should be shot and peed on.
The link below is from the BBC News and tells of how three youths stamped and kicked a Fawn to death. Something I have little doubt you and the rest of the anti-dog/animal brigade find reasonable. It is also clear that you want anyone who disagrees with you to be shot. Obviously stamping a defenceless baby deer to death and shooting people shows just how sick you, your two mates and the rest of the anti-animal brigade are. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/england/dorse t/8096176.stm
WTF are you on about? You on drugs or something? I'm not anti animal at all. Where does it say I am? You are accusing me of stamping a deer to death??? I think you need to tread carefully on that one pal.....That is slander and you can be heavily sued for that. I suggest that you apologise to me for making a very untrue and hurtful accusation - or trust me i will seek legal advise on what my options are of bring you to book! I have no qualms about going after you financially. And don't think for an instance I am joking.
Just because people do not want dogs on the beach does not make them anti animal.

The sick freaks who killed the fawn need stringing up by the danglies (if you could find the danglies) I do not want dog on the beach for Hygiene and safety a big dog could easly hurt a toddler if it runs into them or worse attacks, Hygiene you can pick up poo but not wee simples as that.Like I said in the past open Shoebury East beach & the commen up for dogs all other beachs are closed off.
Thanks, but those of us in Shoebury who use East Beach would rather that didn't happen if its all the same to you.
Its bad enough as it is without it being made a whole lot worse.

Curbishly says...
2:22pm Mon 15 Jun 09

Soozie wrote:
Curbishly wrote:
Soozie wrote: You tw(at, I'm not anti anything, nor did I vote labour, not that it is any of your biz, I ,made a statement nothing more. nothing less/ Morons like you turn everything political should be shot and peed on.
The link below is from the BBC News and tells of how three youths stamped and kicked a Fawn to death. Something I have little doubt you and the rest of the anti-dog/animal brigade find reasonable. It is also clear that you want anyone who disagrees with you to be shot. Obviously stamping a defenceless baby deer to death and shooting people shows just how sick you, your two mates and the rest of the anti-animal brigade are. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/england/dorse t/8096176.stm
WTF are you on about?
You on drugs or something? I'm not anti animal at all.

Where does it say I am?

You are accusing me of stamping a deer to death??? I think you need to tread carefully on that one pal.....That is slander and you can be heavily sued for that.

I suggest that you apologise to me for making a very untrue and hurtful accusation - or trust me i will seek legal advise on what my options are of bring you to book! I have no qualms about going after you financially.

And don't think for an instance I am joking.

I apologise.

Soozie says...
2:35pm Mon 15 Jun 09

Sir Henry Rawlinson thank you.

I have contacted my solicitor who confirms that libel has taken place.


Soozie says...
2:42pm Mon 15 Jun 09

Curbishly wrote:
Soozie wrote:
Curbishly wrote:
Soozie wrote: You tw(at, I'm not anti anything, nor did I vote labour, not that it is any of your biz, I ,made a statement nothing more. nothing less/ Morons like you turn everything political should be shot and peed on.
The link below is from the BBC News and tells of how three youths stamped and kicked a Fawn to death. Something I have little doubt you and the rest of the anti-dog/animal brigade find reasonable. It is also clear that you want anyone who disagrees with you to be shot. Obviously stamping a defenceless baby deer to death and shooting people shows just how sick you, your two mates and the rest of the anti-animal brigade are. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/england/dorse t/8096176.stm
WTF are you on about? You on drugs or something? I'm not anti animal at all. Where does it say I am? You are accusing me of stamping a deer to death??? I think you need to tread carefully on that one pal.....That is slander and you can be heavily sued for that. I suggest that you apologise to me for making a very untrue and hurtful accusation - or trust me i will seek legal advise on what my options are of bring you to book! I have no qualms about going after you financially. And don't think for an instance I am joking.
I apologise.
I want to know why on earth you accused me of that??

In fairness I would like to think that you are sincere, but the vitriol that came with your earlier post, leads me to think otherwise.

I am extremely angry and hurt by your post about something that is so untrue, I'm spitting nails.

I will accept your apology only when you explain why you accused me of that.


Winston Smith says...
3:51pm Mon 15 Jun 09

Soozie wrote:
Sir Henry Rawlinson thank you.

I have contacted my solicitor who confirms that libel has taken place.

How? Your true identity has not been used. No-one reading this knows who you are.
We see this on a regular basis on this forum. Someone is offended by a post, shouts 'libel', and the debate ends up being shut down or deleted by the Echo. Most recently it was CG of Basildon, who got two very interesting debates removed from the website after they started throwing around threats of legal action for 'libel' etc. even though no true identities were used or revealed and no-one knew who was being referred to.

It is much better just to ignore the trolling of some posters. If we all started shouting libel, there will be no debates left on this site and another nail will have been firmly hammered into the coffin lid of free speech.

VictoriaLS says...
4:23pm Mon 15 Jun 09

Curbishly wrote:
Soozie wrote: You tw(at, I'm not anti anything, nor did I vote labour, not that it is any of your biz, I ,made a statement nothing more. nothing less/ Morons like you turn everything political should be shot and peed on.
The link below is from the BBC News and tells of how three youths stamped and kicked a Fawn to death. Something I have little doubt you and the rest of the anti-dog/animal brigade find reasonable. It is also clear that you want anyone who disagrees with you to be shot. Obviously stamping a defenceless baby deer to death and shooting people shows just how sick you, your two mates and the rest of the anti-animal brigade are. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/england/dorse t/8096176.stm
OFGS Curbishly - you honestly think that because we don't want dogs running around our kids whilst on the beach during the summer months that we would think that a baby deer being stamped on to death is something good!!! You can't even compare the two.

I own animals myself and I don't even dislike dogs - I just think that it's rightly so that they should not be allowed on the beach whilst families are on there!

If you think we think like that about animals - may be you are anti-children and could liken yourself to a paedophile? That is just how similar the comparison is that you are trying to make here!! FGS!

evilc says...
5:11pm Mon 15 Jun 09

Its heavy Man!!

don't forget the honey mummy!

Soozie says...
5:44pm Mon 15 Jun 09

It is much better just to ignore the trolling of some posters. If we all started shouting libel, there will be no debates left on this site and another nail will have been firmly hammered into the coffin lid of free speech.

Winston, while I respect what you say, I don't agree with you, this time. That remark was totally uncalled for hurtful and accused me of something vicious. I was sick when I read that. I'm really hurt and upset about his accusations. Have been all day and I have very thick skin.

And yes I am very well aware of CG and the problems with the debates.

As Curbishly attacked me with such a vile finger that I would kick a fawn to death, let him come on here and tell me why he would say something like that.

Until he can actually tell me, and the others who have read this thread why he would fabricate something so untrue, then I am going to pursue him in the courts for libel and claim unlimited damages.

If he was brave enough to accuse me then he can be brave enough to tell me why.


PKP says...
7:47pm Mon 15 Jun 09

Will people stop bandying around figures such as 150 people out of 160,000. So that means 159,850 people are against it? I guarantee there's a lot more out there against the ban who haven't spoken up because it doesn't directly affect them. None of my family and relatives around here own dogs yet we're all against the idea of a total ban so that would be at least another 30 and that's just my little circle! Start adding these numbers to the equation and I think it would look very different.

We have a 2 year old and we have never been faced with problems from dogs on the beach at Thorpe Bay . Fine, keep the ban at Uncle Toms during the summer for those who don't want dogs around but why somewhere like Thorpe Bay? There are some very narrow minded and bitter people out there (just read a vast majority of evilc's posts!), please don't let them ruin it for everyone!

whatevernext says...
9:04pm Mon 15 Jun 09

Everyone seems to be worried about dog waste, whatever the ever increasing population of foxes that foul the beaches, attracted by the food waste left by us humans, the local cats that enjoy using the sand as a huge litter tray, the horses that can ride on beach beach leaving HUGE piles of poo,the humans caught short and weeing on the beaches, the saturday night revelers who poo on the beaches leaving their soiled underpants/knickers on the beach, the rotting food left behind, condoms hiding behind beach huts.
All of which can cause serious diseases to both humans and other animals.
All these things combined with the waste being pumped into our oceans, and everyone blames dogs and their owners, what has this world turned into, I am glad I dont use the public beaches to exercise my dogs, but I still supported the protest.
The so called childrens paddling pool was UNDERWATER when the dogs were swimming in it and the tide still rising, so how can the dog owners be called irresponsible

Alison Pearce says...
12:00am Tue 16 Jun 09

My recent experiences of dog owners and their lack of respect for others, as follows: Chawkwell Park, having a lovely quiet picnic, watching the cricket-two women with a large dog each both off leads, allowed them to plough through our picnic, rendering it useless. No thought for our enjoyment of the park!, just sheer ignorance. Marine Parade-sitting on the grass watching the air show, leant back and placed my hand in dogs mess. Irresponsible-lots of children also using the green. You only have to walk a few yards anywhere and you are dodging piles of dogs mess.
Took a walk on the beach on Sunday, yes what did I find, you guessed it dog mess. Fortunately, I didn't step in the retched stuff.
Walking/cycling through wooded/green areas such as Hadleigh Downs-dogs mess everywhere,so hard to avoid, also those of you who have bothered to pick it up I question why then do you hang the bags of mess from the bushes or throw the bags into the bushes? Dogs barking from morning till morning, yapping constantly through the night.
I am sure dog owners will tell me its the minority. I seriously doubt minority! Am I upset-yes. Ban dogs and especially their owners from the beaches, play areas,sports areas and if you feel the need to walk them, keep them on their leads where they will not interfere with others trying to enjoy a little peace.

Alison Pearce says...
12:00am Tue 16 Jun 09

My recent experiences of dog owners and their lack of respect for others, as follows: Chawkwell Park, having a lovely quiet picnic, watching the cricket-two women with a large dog each both off leads, allowed them to plough through our picnic, rendering it useless. No thought for our enjoyment of the park!, just sheer ignorance. Marine Parade-sitting on the grass watching the air show, leant back and placed my hand in dogs mess. Irresponsible-lots of children also using the green. You only have to walk a few yards anywhere and you are dodging piles of dogs mess.
Took a walk on the beach on Sunday, yes what did I find, you guessed it dog mess. Fortunately, I didn't step in the retched stuff.
Walking/cycling through wooded/green areas such as Hadleigh Downs-dogs mess everywhere,so hard to avoid, also those of you who have bothered to pick it up I question why then do you hang the bags of mess from the bushes or throw the bags into the bushes? Dogs barking from morning till morning, yapping constantly through the night.
I am sure dog owners will tell me its the minority. I seriously doubt minority! Am I upset-yes. Ban dogs and especially their owners from the beaches, play areas,sports areas and if you feel the need to walk them, keep them on their leads where they will not interfere with others trying to enjoy a little peace.

The King of Southend says...
8:05am Tue 16 Jun 09

Great news but why not ban dogs all year round? Dogs and dog owners contribute nothing to the foreshore.

Here's a question to all of this martyred, bleeding heart dog owners out there:

If you want to show how responsible dog owners are why not clean up every piece of dog dirt you encounter, not just what your beloved Well'ard has left behind?









DannyK86 says...
11:44am Tue 16 Jun 09

Even if 'responsible' dog owners lcean up every last piece of dog poo the dogs leave on the beach, they can't do anything to stop them weeing on every lamp post, bollard, sea wall and sandcastle around - it's equally as disgusting.

bubwaah says...
12:18pm Tue 16 Jun 09

I think the ban is appropriate for any beach. You can still walk the dog along the actual seafront pavement! The responsible dog owners should work together with the Council to run workshops for the irresponsible dog owners in teaching them to clear up dog poo everywhere and anywhere! Sadly the twattish chavs who own Staffs etc couldn't give a hoot what their dog does and where it does it.

The King of Southend says...
1:36pm Tue 16 Jun 09

If you can train a dog to find drugs, explosives or jump through hoops of fire why can't they be trained to clean up after themselves?

ryernnn says...
7:14pm Tue 16 Jun 09

I'm a responsible dog owner and walk my dog on the beach around 4 times per week.

In Southend there are no places to walk dogs. This is a fact.

Secondly, if the Council decide to implement this ban, then shouldn't we also ban all the drunk chavs who leave thier bottles on the beach? How about the people who get drunk and have sex on the beach? HEY, let's ban everything that drains the taxpayers' money in Southend?!

And to the people who keep rambling on about "only a minority turned up to the protest": It's only a minority who are not responsible dog owners!

Also, most dog owners only walk thier dogs in off-peak hours. I've waited till 11pm some nights before going out because I knew it would be busy! So I don't know when all you have been on the beach! Everytime I go on it it's a discusting, littered, desolated shore to a dirty estury.

ryernnn says...
7:29pm Tue 16 Jun 09

evilc wrote:
By reading all the comments on here alone it is obvious that there is enormous anger about the terrible mess that dogs create. My family stopped using Priory Park Southend several years ago purely because of the fact our then young children were unable to walk ANYWHERE because of the sh1t. Yesterday we walked along Southend Seafront from Westcliff to Adventure Land and every 100 yds there was a fat thug with a fighting dog on extended leads allowing their dogs on the beach. HOWEVER I did not see one sign stating 'NO DOGS ON THE BEACH' So one hopes that when this well and truly wanted law comes into effect the signs will go up letting the day trippers know: IT IS OUR BEACH US HUMANS AND NOT A DOG TOILET!! AND IF YOU WANT A DOG (or to most twits it is 3 or 4 now days)TEACH IT TO CRAP AT YOUR HOME GROUND.
"Southend Beach is for us Humans".

Obviously you haven't been down there early/late in summer months, and in the winter 24-7. It's deserted because its such a dump. If the council took more care over it, maybe the minority of irresponsible dog owners would respect it.

whatevernext says...
8:22pm Wed 17 Jun 09

where are all of todays posts?

whatevernext says...
11:23pm Wed 17 Jun 09

it seams that all of todays posts have been removed, the truth hurts hey?

beryland ted says...
9:21am Thu 18 Jun 09

Ian from Southend wrote:
When I kitesurf on East Beach the common area where we set up is often covered in dog sh!te. With so many dogs on the beach in the picture above I would not want to follow that lot. Selfish, dirty behaviour.

LOL! LOL! LOL!
When I try to walk with my children and dogs on East Beach common - I can't - because there are grown men who enjoy being dragged about by huge kites... Frightens the dogs too!!!

Selfish, childish behaviour.


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