Updated: Councillors back Southend Airport expansion (From Echo)

Thank goodness for that. At least these councillors are supporting the views of the silent majority. Let us now hope the Government also sees sense and allows it all to go ahead as soon as possible. It can only benefit the town...and I live under the flight path!

please, please, please approve the plans!!!
this area seriously needs southend airport, think of the jobs it will create and the benefits it will have on area.

This is fantastic.
A good step forward. Well done Southend!

I knew it, I knew it!! Great to see it actually in writing. C'mon you Blues...oh no, wrong shout! May the work begin as soon as possible. Congratulations to Stobart Group.

did anyone else see the huge coach with STOBARTS down the side driving along victoria avenue. it was a really posh and classy bit of kit and this really should impress the likes of John Denham MP.
After all this is the man that makes the decision and he thinks class is more significant in 21st century britain than race. COME ON STOBARTS WE SUPPORT YOU!!!

Great news at last some common sense on the council. Oh thankyou planning committee you have just lite the light at the end of the tunnel.
This is a victory for common sense, as for the antis please wait . this development is not going to turn southend into hell hole you tried to make us believe.
Southend Mech I hitched a lift on the coach nice and posh !!!!!!!

What a grand day it turned out to be!!!

I will nip down and sign the 'Go ahead' form then we can get underway.

Fantastic, absolutely the right decision - The councillors and officers have taken a balanced view and not listened to the drivel of Kitty and her sheep!

Happy day's to come absolute quality!

southendmechanic wrote:
did anyone else see the huge coach with STOBARTS down the side driving along victoria avenue. it was a really posh and classy bit of kit and this really should impress the likes of John Denham MP. After all this is the man that makes the decision and he thinks class is more significant in 21st century britain than race. COME ON STOBARTS WE SUPPORT YOU!!!

Yes I saw the coach this afternoon, i'd forgotten about the airport meeting and wondered what it was doing in town. I didn't know they had coaches.

Yahooo

guygrim wrote:

southendmechanic wrote: did anyone else see the huge coach with STOBARTS down the side driving along victoria avenue. it was a really posh and classy bit of kit and this really should impress the likes of John Denham MP. After all this is the man that makes the decision and he thinks class is more significant in 21st century britain than race. COME ON STOBARTS WE SUPPORT YOU!!!

Yes I saw the coach this afternoon, i'd forgotten about the airport meeting and wondered what it was doing in town. I didn't know they had coaches.

Exactly. The anti's would have you believe Stobart was all about freight.
As I said before. Its just a brand with different businesses within it.
This is such a great step in the right direction for our area.
Fingers crossed for the final decision.

You sad fools!
I seriously expected a more considered response from the members of this forum.
Have you stopped to think of why there are anti's to this proposal?
Are they not our friends and neighbours, who are concerned about our welfare and wellbeing?
I think you should all buy each other tee shirts with,
I WAS SUCKED
IN BY
STOBARTS
written across them!
It will give me no pleasure at all, to tell you next year, I told you so!

Oh come on westie dont trust stobarts you say if the airport shut you would shout dont trust Bovis homes and dontlet barrets build here. This isnt about change its about modernisation of an existing asset in our town. and i will shout it again COME ON STOBARTS WE SUPPORT YOU!!!

Westie.
People had genuine concerns and questions. Those concerns were looked at, and the Section 106 is there to protect those people.
Its just a shame they were led by a group that wasnt interested in the facts, and wouldnt admit when they were wrong.
Thanks for calling us Fools. It sums up the opposition groups approach to their campaign.

Congratulations to Southend council on making the RIGHT decision here. Let's hope that our friends in central government make a positive decision quickly and we can get on with this development so it is delivered in time for the Olympics, not after.

westie wrote:
You sad fools! I seriously expected a more considered response from the members of this forum. Have you stopped to think of why there are anti's to this proposal? Are they not our friends and neighbours, who are concerned about our welfare and wellbeing? I think you should all buy each other tee shirts with, I WAS SUCKED IN BY STOBARTS written across them! It will give me no pleasure at all, to tell you next year, I told you so!

I considered why there was antis ,and then i considered why there pros exactly the same as the council did tonight , and the pros win, back off now and let this development go ahead, Southend needs this development, im sorry but if you really do not like it go to another airport for now and foxtrot oscar.please take your 1% friends with you.

'notnimby' has gone off to get a full physical examination before he flies off to Amsterdam to buy some discount gouda and enjoy the fun at the banana bar.

Okay he hasn't but.. he might, one day, when he gets bored, with nimbyingism...?

Or having the in-laws over to listen to the no- noise flights, that maybe, a 1 in a 50,00,000,000 drop a frozen turd from a flight into his rose bushes on sunday morning in July.

r6keith wrote:
Great news at last some common sense on the council. Oh thankyou planning committee you have just lite the light at the end of the tunnel. This is a victory for common sense, as for the antis please wait . this development is not going to turn southend into hell hole you tried to make us believe. Southend Mech I hitched a lift on the coach nice and posh !!!!!!! What a grand day it turned out to be!!!

fantastic news i saw the coach and thought it was rather nice just from the outside. Looking at the names of people on the website SAEN it appears it is the normal protesters to anything new in southend.
I would have had more time for SAEN concerns if these people had not been involved and tried hijacking the process with their enviromental anti council attitudes. i feel sorry for anyone who is worried about the effect the airport will have on them but please dont listen to the SAEN spokesman (who complains when i use his name) he will pray on your worries to try and win his own personal battle with southend council

according to inSAEN Stobarts used the bus to fill the public gallery with their staff to stop locals getting in (forgetting that a lot are local)!

Come on Mr Denham, please make a swift decision.

j-w i just saw that myself so local people working on a local site attending a local council meeting are wrong because they all shared a lift.
These are the MOST affected people by the decision. We have news today off 600 people losing their jobs in rayleigh and a few miles down the road a company who seem to appreciate their staff are having trouble getting a major investment plan through

It feels like I'm living in Royston Vasey from the League of Gentlemen. I've never seen so many pleased to see the health and wellbeing of their community just get signed to hell and so many people celebrate it. The inmates are running the asylum.

Thank you Real World, this voice in the wilderness was just losing hope that there were any thinking people out there.....

I thought I was looking at Royston Vasey on the tv when i saw the 7 people from SAEN outside the civic center!

Sorry I probably shouldnt have said that, but couldnt resist.

get real real world Southend already has an active airport.
What the extension is designed to do is allow southend to accept the newer and larger aircraft which are better emmisions wise than the old noisey planes currently operating from here. Plus southend could slip into being a community of retired or unemployed, but with stobarts and other large names being attracted to invest in the town the future is bright.
So yes i am please
Has anyone noticed that our normal posters against the airport have not posted? this makes you wonder if some of these posters are just one person?

Excellent news !! Good that these people making decisions are listening to the majority of people rather than the minority that make all the noise.
We need a boost in the area and this will help a lot in the way of jobs and prosperity.

hamiltonpicket wrote:
I thought I was looking at Royston Vasey on the tv when i saw the 7 people from SAEN outside the civic center! Sorry I probably shouldnt have said that, but couldnt resist.

pmsl 7?

And where are all the other towns that have benfitted by having an airport? I can't see anyone living around Stanstead cheering for expansion, Heathrow locals continue to protest, City Airport residents have just had their protest over expansion plans overruled. So all those with experience of noise and the "benefits" of an airport on their door steps continue to protest. The jobs arguement was killed off by the airport themselves weeks ago so why does anyone still repeat that? Southend has high unemployment because many locals are poorly educated and seem proud of it (the smart ones work in London), comments here just underline that simple fact.

I cautiously support the airport as the best option for the land. The airport covers a large brown field site and if there was a refusal to allow the airport to develop the alternatives could be frightening. There might be literally thousands of social housing units, the land is council owned don't forget. Or with the green shoots appearing numerous industrial units with a lot more lorrys in and out.
No lets have an improved and workable airport to add variety and opportunity to the area. As mentioned in previous notes I live near to the end of the runway in Eastwood. Well done now lets get it built I'll get my tools out of retirement if they need a hand.

Posted by La Ina
"Southend has high unemployment because many locals are poorly educated and seem proud of it (the smart ones work in London), comments here just underline that simple fact."

To quote Basilbrush. "That sums up the oppositions approach to this campaign"

Good on you Southend Council.

Soozie wrote:
'notnimby' has gone off to get a full physical examination before he flies off to Amsterdam to buy some discount gouda and enjoy the fun at the banana bar. Okay he hasn't but.. he might, one day, when he gets bored, with nimbyingism...? Or having the in-laws over to listen to the no- noise flights, that maybe, a 1 in a 50,00,000,000 drop a frozen turd from a flight into his rose bushes on sunday morning in July.

laugh..i wish i could say its funny...lets see....the actual benefit....no noise flights...dont think so..you may believe it....so naive..of course you all trust the council, and stobarts..!....thoug
ht i would give an adequate response to you..it seems that we will all be living in utopia from now on ..stobarts our saviour! everyone will be so happy...rose bushes....well lets hope so...at least i have a reason to vote now......lets hope all leigh/eastwood becomes yellow........idiot.

hey notnimbys stobarts are a fantastic future and might even develop prittlebrook industial estate and give me my dual carrage way in priory cresent

southendmechanic wrote:
hey notnimbys stobarts are a fantastic future and might even develop prittlebrook industial estate and give me my dual carrage way in priory cresent

excellent news why dont we just concrete over all of southend for access and motorways for stobarts at least it will be easy to get out....and it will become a massive car park for the airport...isnt this what everyone wants.. of course....

A brilliant outcome, not quite home and dry on this one yet though.

I would just like to thank the Planning Development Committee for their realistic and well considered collective decision on this. Right thing for the town, right thing for the area, right thing for jobs and and our childrens futures. Let's hope people remember this decision by the Council for more than a day instead of mainly rubbishing everything they do.

This outcome has NEVER been in doubt...Would a railway station be in construction at the aerodrome if it were. Just for the record, I wish the scheme the speediest success.

notnimbys wrote:

southendmechanic wrote: hey notnimbys stobarts are a fantastic future and might even develop prittlebrook industial estate and give me my dual carrage way in priory cresent

excellent news why dont we just concrete over all of southend for access and motorways for stobarts at least it will be easy to get out....and it will become a massive car park for the airport...isnt this what everyone wants.. of course....

The roads are already there why dont you get on one and leave ?

Thames Gateway, are you a member of this committee?
I can't believe that anyone is so devoid of realistic critiscism.
I'm on the point of giving up....

I really wonder just who has won only time will tell

Im am really sickened by the nastiness produced by both sides of this i cant say debate but squabble.
Sadley it is no longer a dicussion about the merits of the airport
but a personal tirade of insults
to people with a differing view.

I really wonder just who has won only time will tell

Im am really sickened by the nastiness produced by both sides of this i cant say debate but squabble.
Sadley it is no longer a dicussion about the merits of the airport
but a personal tirade of insults
to people with a differing view.

r6keith wrote:

notnimbys wrote:

southendmechanic wrote: hey notnimbys stobarts are a fantastic future and might even develop prittlebrook industial estate and give me my dual carrage way in priory cresent

excellent news why dont we just concrete over all of southend for access and motorways for stobarts at least it will be easy to get out....and it will become a massive car park for the airport...isnt this what everyone wants.. of course....

The roads are already there why dont you get on one and leave ?

no not big enough..we need to knock down some more houses..we need bigger larger more capacity we need motorways, car parks in southend ..thats best for everyone..and for stobarts...of course....leave there is no need..we will all be living in utopia..no unemployment.no congestion..increase
d values in our homes our kids will breath quality air...no noise ... wonderful "enhanced"environmen
t to live... i have been converted by the corporation..copehan
gen..climate change no its all a conspiricy???

Having attended this meeting I realised that this was a stitch-up from the onset,especially as only 17 councillors had a vote, it rather had a bad smell to it,

Surely this decision that will have a detrimental affect on so many people, the whole council should have had a vote, and face the electorate on the way they voted.

When I left the meeting as I walked & looked along Victoria Ave, I thought it was more like a Remembrance Ave with all its empty office buildings more like mausoleums standing up in the dusk of the evening.
Just like the white elephant this airport will be in future years.

Its too small-in a highly built up area-over crowded unsuitable roads which could only be altered by making all the junctions along the A127 either over or underpasses.

All the safeguards referring to noise,pollution & night flights can be taken with a pinch of salt.

southendreb wrote:
I really wonder just who has won only time will tell Im am really sickened by the nastiness produced by both sides of this i cant say debate but squabble. Sadley it is no longer a dicussion about the merits of the airport but a personal tirade of insults to people with a differing view.

i agree..its not about winning and only time will tell..who will really benefit there is no guarantee? caring about the environment in which we live is a responsibility of us all...trusting a corporation that relies on fosselfuel rather than suistainable energy...cannot be a way forward...as for the nottingham declaration the councilshould review its position...dont fake green credentails on behalf of those who really care..

notnimbys wrote:

southendmechanic wrote: hey notnimbys stobarts are a fantastic future and might even develop prittlebrook industial estate and give me my dual carrage way in priory cresent

excellent news why dont we just concrete over all of southend for access and motorways for stobarts at least it will be easy to get out....and it will become a massive car park for the airport...isnt this what everyone wants.. of course....

pmsl this is what Denis Walker is running about saying there is no proof that stobarts are going into prittlebrook industrial estate.

south east essex friends of the earth hold monthly meetings (all 8 members of them ) and these are the same people who object or set up campain groups everytime someone wants to build or alter something
objections are :- southend airport, priory cresent, victoria circus , hockley village, tescos (on b+q site),and they have protest groups skipps, ppps, and saen just to name a few as previously said this very small group of people (most are related) hold this town to ransom with wild rumours like this.
They one minute send letters to MP's asking for more cycle paths then object to development plans with include them.

jjames wrote:
Having attended this meeting I realised that this was a stitch-up from the onset,especially as only 17 councillors had a vote, it rather had a bad smell to it, Surely this decision that will have a detrimental affect on so many people, the whole council should have had a vote, and face the electorate on the way they voted. When I left the meeting as I walked & looked along Victoria Ave, I thought it was more like a Remembrance Ave with all its empty office buildings more like mausoleums standing up in the dusk of the evening. Just like the white elephant this airport will be in future years. Its too small-in a highly built up area-over crowded unsuitable roads which could only be altered by making all the junctions along the A127 either over or underpasses. All the safeguards referring to noise,pollution & night flights can be taken with a pinch of salt.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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You bore me.

Have you or do you fly off on holiday?

If so why is it alright for you to fly oversomebodys house but not for somebody to fly over yours?

westie wrote:
Thames Gateway, are you a member of this committee?
I can't believe that anyone is so devoid of realistic critiscism.
I'm on the point of giving up....

No Westie, not on the committee, and yes I do and will criticise the Council when I believe they deserve it. It is plain now for all to see that they have patently made the right decision on this application. I realise that this is difficult to accept if you are opposed to the airport, but that is why we have a democracy and trained civil servants within society.

On the point of you being on the point of giving up, I could not possibly comment, but I'm sure others may have their thoughts on that aspect.

Know it's been approved by council, how long will it take for the stamp of approval to be given by the minister in London? I hope it doesn't drag on for too long.

History has already proved that growing an airport in an area has brought more negatives than positives. But if what seems a lot of people here believe that Southend can break the mold good luck. Pity that history usually repeats itself more than actually change.

Congratulations to both Rochford and Southend councillors in voting for the future not the past. This is a vote for job creation and investment in the area. I can understand the concerns of those who live under the flight paths, but their case has not been helped by the missinformation peddled by SAEN and Ms Theobald.
Go Southend go!!

The main reason that I became so involved in the debate over the airport expansion was because of SAEN's gross distortions and exaggerations.
Had they stuck to the facts and used reasonable persuasion I would have respected their right to clearly state their anti-expansion views and said very little. As it was I felt bound to try to put the facts before people so that they really could make up their own minds on that basis. They have been their own worst enemy as things have worked out.
In time their ridiculous claims will be seen to have been just that. The planning officers and the planning committee saw through their bluster and reached a decision which will result in significant economic benefits for the town which far outweigh any very minor noise nuisance which a few people might suffer during the day - a fact that the airport has never tried to hide. I hope the Minister will endorse this decision and I believe this shown be known within about a month.
Oh, and I don't have any financial or employment interest in the airport nor any connection with Stobarts - I just don't like to see misleading propaganda win the day.

Great news, also would it be possible for those living under the new extended flight path to get their council tax band lowered?

We know the new planes create less noise but there will be a lot more of them.

What an excellent decision!!

Norfolk i have to agree with you, having attended the meeting it was clear that the tactics which SAEN employed became their own worst enemy. Most of the committee who 'commented' made reference to SAEN's underhand tactics and abuse which they had recieved. I believe everyone has a right to object but when it is done in a way that is full of scaremongering and complete inaccuracy you can only be please that they failed. What a major step forwared this is, well done Southend Council, well done Southend!! Lets get this through and get on with building a first class facility, with Stobarts money and the towns support this could just happen!

Norfolk wrote:
The main reason that I became so involved in the debate over the airport expansion was because of SAEN's gross distortions and exaggerations. Had they stuck to the facts and used reasonable persuasion I would have respected their right to clearly state their anti-expansion views and said very little. As it was I felt bound to try to put the facts before people so that they really could make up their own minds on that basis. They have been their own worst enemy as things have worked out. In time their ridiculous claims will be seen to have been just that. The planning officers and the planning committee saw through their bluster and reached a decision which will result in significant economic benefits for the town which far outweigh any very minor noise nuisance which a few people might suffer during the day - a fact that the airport has never tried to hide. I hope the Minister will endorse this decision and I believe this shown be known within about a month. Oh, and I don't have any financial or employment interest in the airport nor any connection with Stobarts - I just don't like to see misleading propaganda win the day.

Well said Norflok. I agree with you in many ways that is why I got involved with planes2009.ning.com a support site for the airport.I was fed up with the uniformed scaremongering that existed, some which even came out in last nights meeting as councillor intimidation. I must add I do have intrest in the airport I work there and hopefully soon some of you out there will be coming to join me .

BRING IT ON !!!!!!

"gross distortions and exaggerations".

This can also be said about the information from a private business that has to keep their share holders happy. Use only info that shows the positive and not the negatives.
History will prove itself that Airport Expansion in a developed area has a more negative affect than a positive on the local communities. It's a pity that this council are willing to take such a large bet on this approval. But if the expansion is cleared and if what has happened in other areas around the world happens in Southend. Well lets just see who complains about the airports business and how it may affect everyones health and wellbeing.

westie wrote:
You sad fools!
I seriously expected a more considered response from the members of this forum.
Have you stopped to think of why there are anti's to this proposal?
Are they not our friends and neighbours, who are concerned about our welfare and wellbeing?
I think you should all buy each other tee shirts with,
I WAS SUCKED
IN BY
STOBARTS
written across them!
It will give me no pleasure at all, to tell you next year, I told you so!

shut up you misreable old git!

essexboi1989 wrote:

westie wrote:
You sad fools!
I seriously expected a more considered response from the members of this forum.
Have you stopped to think of why there are anti's to this proposal?
Are they not our friends and neighbours, who are concerned about our welfare and wellbeing?
I think you should all buy each other tee shirts with,
I WAS SUCKED
IN BY
STOBARTS
written across them!
It will give me no pleasure at all, to tell you next year, I told you so!

shut up you misreable old git!

"essexboi1989"

Great example of the mentality of blinded pro aviation expansion NIMBY. (Don't protest in my back yard)

Real World wrote:
"gross distortions and exaggerations". This can also be said about the information from a private business that has to keep their share holders happy. Use only info that shows the positive and not the negatives. History will prove itself that Airport Expansion in a developed area has a more negative affect than a positive on the local communities. It's a pity that this council are willing to take such a large bet on this approval. But if the expansion is cleared and if what has happened in other areas around the world happens in Southend. Well lets just see who complains about the airports business and how it may affect everyones health and wellbeing.

You say your in London so what this got to do with you.

you may call yourself "Real World" but you do really need to get in the the Real World and open your eyes jobs are being lost left right and centre this proposal will create 1000's of jobs just what Southend needs.

So you stay up in London with BJ and we will stick with Southend and the people who really know what the town needs.

A expanding airport creating jobs.

Totally cool news that this is going ahead. With the shut-down of HSBC and Eon, the region needs some good news and more importantly some high-profile projects to get make Southend look like it's more than a place for pensioners and people with t-shirts saying "will someone please think of the children".

I live on the flight path and I have no problem with the plan at all. (cue pause for some dimwit to say "you wait til the planes start flying out of there, then you'll see") unlike the Nimbys I'm more concerned about the region as a whole and not my personal circumstance. The feared pollution won't materialise, we're not going to be engulfed in smog, schools won't need to close (although I suspect someone will try to make that happen to 'prove' a point) that's just silly talk by people that love a good knee-jerk when reading the Daily Mail each morning.

Wizardweb wrote:
Totally cool news that this is going ahead. With the shut-down of HSBC and Eon, the region needs some good news and more importantly some high-profile projects to get make Southend look like it's more than a place for pensioners and people with t-shirts saying "will someone please think of the children". I live on the flight path and I have no problem with the plan at all. (cue pause for some dimwit to say "you wait til the planes start flying out of there, then you'll see") unlike the Nimbys I'm more concerned about the region as a whole and not my personal circumstance. The feared pollution won't materialise, we're not going to be engulfed in smog, schools won't need to close (although I suspect someone will try to make that happen to 'prove' a point) that's just silly talk by people that love a good knee-jerk when reading the Daily Mail each morning.

Well said,

Moden jet engines are a loy more quite compaired to those used on first gen Boeing 737-200 and the Bac111.

All this BS about schools stopping when an airplane flys over is scare tactics by the schools and SAEN.

Moden jet engines are vastly more clean than those of the past, its a shame the nimbys want to see Southend stand still and not progress into a 21st century town and possibly gain City status.

La Ina wrote:
And where are all the other towns that have benfitted by having an airport? I can't see anyone living around Stanstead cheering for expansion, Heathrow locals continue to protest, City Airport residents have just had their protest over expansion plans overruled. So all those with experience of noise and the "benefits" of an airport on their door steps continue to protest. The jobs arguement was killed off by the airport themselves weeks ago so why does anyone still repeat that? Southend has high unemployment because many locals are poorly educated and seem proud of it (the smart ones work in London), comments here just underline that simple fact.

Despite the moaning of the immediate locals to Heathrow (a FAR bigger and noisier airport than southend wil lever be), the London Borough of Hillingdon and surrounding area has benefited ENORMOUSLY. Consider just how many people work in Heathrow and the surrounding business and industrial parks, all there because of the airport. Bad example if you want to talk economies.

Towns such as Luton, Leeds, Manchester and Southampton have all benefited hugely from having an airport nearby. The benefits outweigh the negatives.

DannyK86 wrote:

La Ina wrote: And where are all the other towns that have benfitted by having an airport? I can't see anyone living around Stanstead cheering for expansion, Heathrow locals continue to protest, City Airport residents have just had their protest over expansion plans overruled. So all those with experience of noise and the "benefits" of an airport on their door steps continue to protest. The jobs arguement was killed off by the airport themselves weeks ago so why does anyone still repeat that? Southend has high unemployment because many locals are poorly educated and seem proud of it (the smart ones work in London), comments here just underline that simple fact.

Despite the moaning of the immediate locals to Heathrow (a FAR bigger and noisier airport than southend wil lever be), the London Borough of Hillingdon and surrounding area has benefited ENORMOUSLY. Consider just how many people work in Heathrow and the surrounding business and industrial parks, all there because of the airport. Bad example if you want to talk economies. Towns such as Luton, Leeds, Manchester and Southampton have all benefited hugely from having an airport nearby. The benefits outweigh the negatives.

Too true,

Sad thing is SAEN and thier sheep will not want to beleve the truth.

Whats needed in Southend... Jobs

Who is trying to bring jobs to Southend... The Airport

its a no brainer.

Lets get on with it and bring the jobs to Southend.

La Ina wrote:
And where are all the other towns that have benfitted by having an airport? I can't see anyone living around Stanstead cheering for expansion, Heathrow locals continue to protest, City Airport residents have just had their protest over expansion plans overruled. So all those with experience of noise and the "benefits" of an airport on their door steps continue to protest. The jobs arguement was killed off by the airport themselves weeks ago so why does anyone still repeat that? Southend has high unemployment because many locals are poorly educated and seem proud of it (the smart ones work in London), comments here just underline that simple fact.

La Ina . What day do you sign on perhaps we could met for a can of extra strength cider ? Lets quote Southampton as a town that has benefitted from a regional airport thats expaneded ,doing very nicely thankyou .The expansions you refer to are very different to the small extension required at our airport to bring it in line with the modern planes of today.

As I work at the airport I would like to add what a nice place it is today.Theres this feeling of optimism in the air I do hope it's contagious !

cool i am about to drive home i might go via eastwoodbury lane while it is there but i too cant wait for something to start happening with the extension of the runway well done stobarts in keeping cool whilst wild facts and claims have been made about the possible impact of your airport

I woke up this morning , looked out of the window and an airport had appeared over night, oh,no sorry ,it was already there when i bought my house.....

I simply can't believe the level of pomposity shown in many of the comments so far -
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to make the claim that "the right decision has been made" is impossible to justify.


Yes the claims made by SAEN may be exaggerated, but equally the claims made by the airport are quite meaningless too:

Take the claim that the airport "will be able to handle larger and quieter aeroplanes after the extension" - Note they are careful not to say "The airport will ONLY handle larger and quieter aeroplanes" - I would wager that the airport will in future handle the old noisy aircraft AND the new quieter ones.

Secondly, the claim that the airport will create UP TO 1,100 jobs - Note the use of "UP TO", well three jobs can fall within that claim!

Thirdly, the claims regarding the potential reduction in nightime flights, well this may appear to be true on paper, but has anyone counted the actual number of nightime flights and compared this to the promised limits? - no I don't think so.


Now, I'm not against progress, as the extension may well offer improved links with Europe, more jobs, etc, etc. But quite frankly I don't really think so.
For what it's worth, I was one of the objectors to this proposal, as in all of my years, I have never seen an airport expansion that actually helps the local people.

I an quite disappointed by this decision, as I really doubt the promises about noise etc, but I hope that I'm proved wrong, and and at least we do actually see some badly needed jobs bought to our area.


btw - (*anon anon) To make the inference that the airport was already there when homeowners bought houses doesn't really wash - If the council enlarged the road outside your house and made it into a motorway would you think this reasonable?

Now that topic has been talked to death, what about the old Ekco site?

r6keith wrote:

La Ina wrote: And where are all the other towns that have benfitted by having an airport? I can't see anyone living around Stanstead cheering for expansion, Heathrow locals continue to protest, City Airport residents have just had their protest over expansion plans overruled. So all those with experience of noise and the "benefits" of an airport on their door steps continue to protest. The jobs arguement was killed off by the airport themselves weeks ago so why does anyone still repeat that? Southend has high unemployment because many locals are poorly educated and seem proud of it (the smart ones work in London), comments here just underline that simple fact.

La Ina . What day do you sign on perhaps we could met for a can of extra strength cider ? Lets quote Southampton as a town that has benefitted from a regional airport thats expaneded ,doing very nicely thankyou .The expansions you refer to are very different to the small extension required at our airport to bring it in line with the modern planes of today.

again abuse and this is what is expected... and for southampton this is an airport that does not have night flights......

DannyK86 wrote:

La Ina wrote: And where are all the other towns that have benfitted by having an airport? I can't see anyone living around Stanstead cheering for expansion, Heathrow locals continue to protest, City Airport residents have just had their protest over expansion plans overruled. So all those with experience of noise and the "benefits" of an airport on their door steps continue to protest. The jobs arguement was killed off by the airport themselves weeks ago so why does anyone still repeat that? Southend has high unemployment because many locals are poorly educated and seem proud of it (the smart ones work in London), comments here just underline that simple fact.

Despite the moaning of the immediate locals to Heathrow (a FAR bigger and noisier airport than southend wil lever be), the London Borough of Hillingdon and surrounding area has benefited ENORMOUSLY. Consider just how many people work in Heathrow and the surrounding business and industrial parks, all there because of the airport. Bad example if you want to talk economies. Towns such as Luton, Leeds, Manchester and Southampton have all benefited hugely from having an airport nearby. The benefits outweigh the negatives.

bad example if you want to talk economics..

look at the following link from hillingdon council...
http://www.hillingdo
n.gov.uk/index.jsp?a
rticleid=12957

hillingdon think thats airport expansion is "so good " that" Local councils around Heathrow have launched an application for judicial review of Transport Secretary Geoff Hoon's decision to approve a third runway at Heathrow.

Authorities backing the challenge include Hammersmith & Fulham, Kensington and Chelsea, Richmond upon Thames, Wandsworth and Windsor and Maidenhead councils. All are members of the 2M Group opposed to Heathrow expansion"


So how good is it.. looks like it does it?


How far away is hillingdon from heathrow 8 miles? compare the areas in question within southend borough... all within 8 miles. i do not deny that there is a benefit for those areas outside the flightpath...but the problem is why should those who live within this area be disadvantaged to benefit all of those who live outside... and in your example this will include areas outside the southend area(not within it) ..in the areas outside the blighted areas there is benefit..however for example a professional who moves into the wider area for the very these apparent?! well paid jobs would rather live in a non blighted area than a blighted area(outside the borough like your example of 8 miles) so the outer areas of blight will become properous and the areas within blight will be disadvantaged for ever...economic models are available on this....

Whats the difference between southend borough council and all the councils above???they dont own the aiport..southend does???this is why we need a totallyimpartial objective view to be taken...yes the echo is right to say that the Council should be able to financially benefit from the expansion... if it does why cant those who have been severely disadvantaged by this expansion obtain recompense so they do have an opportunity to move if they so wish.....if so much money is going to be made why cant this happen?

and a judicial review ..whatever organistion SAEN or whoever i would personally pay them( and i am sure others would) to obtain advice to make an application for a judicial review in respect of the process that has been undertaken if the expansion proceeds.....

notnimbys you have been listening to Denis for far to long.
Once again this isnt a new runway with planes flying overhead where they didnt before. This is an extension to an existing runway which has been there for a long time.
I can understand Heathrow's local residants being upset because their situation is completely diffrent from southend. Our Airport (yes the council own the land which means WE own the land) has a good future and i dont think it will ever have an impact like stanstard or heathrow.
Local jobs have already been created by stobarts and the promises stobarts have made regaurding freight really should reassure people. They dont want a cargo facility here why would they when Dartford is such a good setup for them as their south east hub for road haulage and the added cost of running lorrys to southend from there would not be cost affected for anything but high value freight which is what southend already processes.
As for compensation for home owners affected who want to move, maybe parklife,ppps,or skipp would like to pay me for the extra 2 1/2 hours i spend in traffic every week due to the council being blocked and costs being made to get out of control by childish behaviour when they wanted to improve my journey and many others in priory cresent.
It seems that these same people again brought the same childish behaviour to the airport discusion and again seem to take great delight in costing tax payers more money in the process. If these same people try bringing legal action against the council for this application then all they are doing is robbing every council tax paying local person of their hard earned cash for what turns out to be 7 or so regular protesters who have no other reason than to try and be againt the establishment.

who's dennis?..i have my own mind and i am not swayed by corporations or organisations with only political objectives...SBC/s objectives seem to be very different to those councils i have mentioned above....why is this and what is there to hide...this decision cannot be rushed because of the olympics... if its viable it will be viable after the olympics unless of course its another white elephant.....what a surprise that will be...compensation is not an unusual remedy... surcharges environmental taxes you see this in your life at the moment so why cant those who suffer also benefit from others short sighted views....you use dartford crossing yes? you pay to use it yes because its more convenient yes? so why cant an additional charge be levied? and as for a judicial review its up to the thousands(not 7)who objected to the jaap to consider this if they believe its an unfair process..LEIGH ON SEA TOWN COUNCIL...should also consider this as an important tool in the process i for one will vote for the lib dems if they supported this approach...have you ever been to a development control committee meeting...tax payers money is always wasted because of political agendas the independants are the worst for this..so why shouldnt those who wish to support a judicial review benefit from additional protection of law...clearly southend cllrs are not protecting our interests like all those opposition councils are as noted above.......

Max Impact wrote:

Real World wrote:
"gross distortions and exaggerations". This can also be said about the information from a private business that has to keep their share holders happy. Use only info that shows the positive and not the negatives. History will prove itself that Airport Expansion in a developed area has a more negative affect than a positive on the local communities. It's a pity that this council are willing to take such a large bet on this approval. But if the expansion is cleared and if what has happened in other areas around the world happens in Southend. Well lets just see who complains about the airports business and how it may affect everyones health and wellbeing.

You say your in London so what this got to do with you.

you may call yourself "Real World" but you do really need to get in the the Real World and open your eyes jobs are being lost left right and centre this proposal will create 1000's of jobs just what Southend needs.

So you stay up in London with BJ and we will stick with Southend and the people who really know what the town needs.

A expanding airport creating jobs.

"So you stay up in London with BJ and we will stick with Southend and the people who really know what the town needs"

If this is your mentality why would you want outsiders to fly into Southend airport?

The airport cannot create sustainable jobs. The jobs that will be created are from coffee shops, retail, cleaning, and other low paid service jobs. While this is OK there is no career growth. Check in will be done online, so no jobs there. Baggage handling will be automated, no jobs there. Security is being automated, no jobs there. The airlines employ people from all over Europe and the world, so no local jobs there. I could go on.

Did you know that other airports have claimed that they create jobs in Dairy Farmers as the coffee shops buy their milk and baker jobs as they make their cakes. This type of thing has been used so many times when Aviation wants to spin it's message to the local communities. They even claim they create Taxi jobs?

As my name says get in the Real World. Not the false world this airport is claiming it will bring.

REAL WORLD wrote"The airport cannot create sustainable jobs. The jobs that will be created are from coffee shops, retail, cleaning, and other low paid service jobs. While this is OK there is no career growth. Check in will be done online, so no jobs there. Baggage handling will be automated, no jobs there. Security is being automated, no jobs there. The airlines employ people from all over Europe and the world, so no local jobs there. I could go on."

A very simplistic view which demonstrates that you do not know very much about airport operations.

Well done Southend DCC. Best of luck to the airport for the final outcome.

Real World, your view of the employment that a thriving airport offers demonstrates your total ignorance of airport operations. Fair enough as most people don't know much about it either, but then they don't spout fiction claiming it as fact as you do.
If you had just lost your job at RBS or Eon I should imagine the prospect of employment opportunities at the expanded airport would be very good news. Now those are the people who actually live in the 'real world' of today.
Your utopia where aviation is extinct might come along one day, who knows, but in the meantime the people of Southend need the long term economic boost the airport will provide - even if you don't agree from your lofty London perspective.

notnimbys wrote:

r6keith wrote:

La Ina wrote: And where are all the other towns that have benfitted by having an airport? I can't see anyone living around Stanstead cheering for expansion, Heathrow locals continue to protest, City Airport residents have just had their protest over expansion plans overruled. So all those with experience of noise and the "benefits" of an airport on their door steps continue to protest. The jobs arguement was killed off by the airport themselves weeks ago so why does anyone still repeat that? Southend has high unemployment because many locals are poorly educated and seem proud of it (the smart ones work in London), comments here just underline that simple fact.

La Ina . What day do you sign on perhaps we could met for a can of extra strength cider ? Lets quote Southampton as a town that has benefitted from a regional airport thats expaneded ,doing very nicely thankyou .The expansions you refer to are very different to the small extension required at our airport to bring it in line with the modern planes of today.

again abuse and this is what is expected... and for southampton this is an airport that does not have night flights......

As usual its ok for an anti to insult lots of the population of Southend but as a supporter to suggest we met up for a beer is insulting .typical nimby attitude blind to anything but your blinkered beliefs. I stand my ground Southampton is doing ok from its airport so will Southend

I lost my job in aviation due to automation. As have 100's of other people.
Cop on!

Real World wrote:
I lost my job in aviation due to automation. As have 100's of other people.
Cop on!

So you're not bitter then?
If that's the case you should know better when talking about opportunities within airport operations.

hamiltonpicket wrote:

Real World wrote:
I lost my job in aviation due to automation. As have 100's of other people.
Cop on!

So you're not bitter then?
If that's the case you should know better when talking about opportunities within airport operations.

Thats just it there's no opportunities as all I could get now as a table cleaner or coffee shop worker.

You'll see

Sounds like Sour grapes to me too.
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So the airport doesn't employ Air traffic Controllers? Fire & Rescue? Accountants (see latest job section)?, Flight operations? Aircraft engineers? Electricians? Telecommunication engineers? Maintanence?
Public relations? HR? Aircraft Handling?
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And thats just a few on top of the front of house you refer to.
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Shall I continue?