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MY VIEW: Foxes are no more deadly than your pet cat or dog

On the mend – twins Isabella, left, and Lola Koupparis On the mend – twins Isabella, left, and Lola Koupparis

GARY SHEEN shuns a demand for a cull of foxes.

SOMETHING terrible happened in East London. It was all over the media.

A story of twins and an alleged attack by a fox. In a knee-jerk reaction, London mayor Boris Johnson was calling for a cull of these animals.

Something terrible happened in Cumbria. People were murdered in the street. The Prime Minister said there should be no knee-jerk reaction to that. No plans to tighten gun laws.

So ask yourself…which is the bigger threat?

However tragic and unfortunate the alleged attack on the nine-month-old twins, does it really warrant the destruction of thousands of foxes, when there appears to be no solid grounds to blame the animal?

There have been no previous substantiated attacks on people in the UK by foxes. All suspected incidents have turned out to be attacks by other animals, including cats and dogs.

John Bryant, an urban wildlife expert, said: “Foxes are among the most amenable, least aggressive mammals you could share your environment with.”

In the wake of this incident, people are falling into two camps, those against a cull and those in favour. Letters in the Echo show feelings running high, regardless of the point of view.

Some Canvey residents are calling for a cull, claiming the island is all but over-run with foxes.

However, this seems to be about the inconvenience foxes may cause, through the belief they rip open rubbish bags and have the occasional saunter through someone’s lounge, rather than any real fear of being attacked.

The term “culling” is a euphemism. It is killing. And killing urban foxes in an attempt to control their numbers would have totally the opposite effect. If the mortality rate goes up, foxes compensate by increasing the number of female foxes which breed.

Whether some like it or not, urban foxes are part of our landscape and have been since the Thirties, when land was cheap and large areas of semi-detached suburbs were built.

This low-density housing, with relatively large gardens, provided an ideal habitat for foxes, which had lost part of their rural home range.

Their rural environment continues to be taken away from them at an alarming rate. Is there any wonder they have to move nearer to us?

There are quite a few myths attached to our urban fox.

Contrary to popular belief, urban fox populations are stable in most areas. They regulate their own numbers and a large proportion of them do not breed every year, and those that do have quite small litters.

Foxes killing cats is a rare occurrence, with your cat far more likely to stray, be run over by a car or die from other causes.

Cats and foxes will usually ignore each other. Feeding foxes in your garden does not encourage more of them to be your neighbours.

Some people derive a lot of pleasure from feeding foxes and, as long as there is no attempt to tame them, no harm is done.

Disease-ridden they are not and pose no more of a risk to humans than your average canine or feline companion. And foxes are not vermin, despite a certain Canvey councillor referring to them as such in the Echo recently. Wildlife laws protect them, with fines of up to £5,000 for harming them.

In the 25 years I have lived in Leigh, I have only once had a rubbish bag ripped open, and the culprit turned out to be a neighbour’s cat, not Mr Fox. If this is a problem for some people, they should put their rubbish out in the morning, rather than at night. Can you blame any animal for foraging if you leave tasty morsels in your rubbish sacks?

We should be celebrating the fact that we still have some wildlife left in our towns and cities. It never ceases to amaze me that whenever a wild animal, whether fox, badger, pigeon, mouse or snail, causes any inconvenience to someone, there is a cry of “kill it”, “cull it” or “get rid of it”.

Our urban landscapes can be barren enough without any attempt to make them an even more sterile environment, devoid of all non-human life, by decimating what wildlife we have left.

* For more advice and information contact the 24-hour Fox Project Helpline on 01892 826222.

Comments(34)

Colleen G says...
8:17am Sat 3 Jul 10

Here here.

paul trimble says...
8:33am Sat 3 Jul 10

We should cull the human being as they cause more deaths and misery than any wild animal.

APR says...
8:34am Sat 3 Jul 10

Good to have a non-emotional
balanced view.
Children are killed and maimed every
year by "pet" dogs. We don't talk
about culling dogs though.

Nebs says...
9:02am Sat 3 Jul 10

Vermin. Chicken murderers. Shoot the lot of them.

SpideyFox says...
10:58am Sat 3 Jul 10

Great article Gary, thank you :-) Some common sense at last!

ShoeburyCyclist says...
11:03am Sat 3 Jul 10

What a very well written, balanced article. Nice to see some common sense on this subject at last, rather than the media fuelled hysteria of the past few weeks.

Well done Gary.

Mary Lou says...
11:05am Sat 3 Jul 10

Alert - for all those who have had an irony bypass, this is IRONY.
.
So where is the rat, mouse, flea, slug, snail, earwigs, wood louse, fly, etc helpline?
.
Are they not wildlife as well ? They are culled on a daily basis in their millions. Where is the project to help them?
.
Why is it that its only the cute fluffy ones that need the help?
.
I think I'll start a campaign and ask for funding.

onorris24 says...
11:05am Sat 3 Jul 10

I understand that what happened to those twins was horrific, but I think it's **** right selfish just to kill foxes because they attacked a human, would you cull gang members if they beat someone up? No. The human race is just selfish and I think it's just wrong to cull foxes when they were just looking after themselves. I'm probably on my own here.. but still don't have a go at me because I think that, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Colleen G says...
11:19am Sat 3 Jul 10

Mary Lou wrote:
Alert - for all those who have had an irony bypass, this is IRONY. . So where is the rat, mouse, flea, slug, snail, earwigs, wood louse, fly, etc helpline? . Are they not wildlife as well ? They are culled on a daily basis in their millions. Where is the project to help them? . Why is it that its only the cute fluffy ones that need the help? . I think I'll start a campaign and ask for funding.
Many of us do care for all life. In fact far more do care than those **** who don't. being fluffy has nothing to do with it!

What is quite sad is that the odd weirdo does actually see a distinction between a slug and a fox and a human when in actual fact all are entitled to life and respect, and most of us can live quite happily side by side with the natural world, though not always without conflict.

I'd be more concerned at the mentality of the nuts who would seek to see the natural world destroyed for their own narrow minded ends, and in their case ignorance really is bliss!

If I can live without stomping, stamping, shooting, crushing and killing then anyone can. If you cant then that explains why the world is in so much trouble!

chalkymeatballs says...
12:34pm Sat 3 Jul 10

They need Culling in Urban areas, either that or the Council need culling as its the obsession in Southend of having no bins thats causing the problem, and the morons who throw rubbish out the night before collection day, if the food isnt there they will move on. If not cull them, know one will be all for foxes if one of your own kids gets a bite off one.

manintheshed says...
1:53pm Sat 3 Jul 10

How can the so called expert say that feeding them will not encourage them, does feeding birds not encourage them ?
Not disease ridden? Who takes them to the vet or treats their fleas/mange etc.?
The rubbish bags I see out are often accompanied by a fox getting his lunch, but I do not see many cats and no dogs.
They are pests, because they are wild creatures in the wrong place....like rats would be if they were running all over the place...or mice...flies...slugs
...seagulls...pigeon
setc.
Trap them and kill them I say, they will become more of a problem if left a few years.

APR says...
1:59pm Sat 3 Jul 10

chalkymeatballs wrote:
They need Culling in Urban areas, either that or the Council need culling as its the obsession in Southend of having no bins thats causing the problem, and the morons who throw rubbish out the night before collection day, if the food isnt there they will move on. If not cull them, know one will be all for foxes if one of your own kids gets a bite off one.
Did you actually read the article ?

ShoeburyCyclist says...
2:12pm Sat 3 Jul 10

Astonishing.

A couple of weeks ago a man ran amok with a gun and slaughtered a dozen people, media and chav reaction, barely anything. No calls for gun bans or taxi driver culls.

A teenager is stabbed to death outside his school, media and chav reaction, barely anything.

A man is stabbed to death protecting his wife from yobs after attending an open air concert, media and chav reaction, barely anything.

However, there is ONE alleged case of a fox attacking babies and the story carries on for a month, with hysterical calls from media and chavs for culls, extermination etc. etc.

This country's priorities are right up the swanny.

Cllr Cliff Brunt says...
3:39pm Sat 3 Jul 10

A good balanced article indeed

Ironman says...
5:50pm Sat 3 Jul 10

Crikey, Councillor Brunt, you used to be much more vociferous in your previous incarnation.........
.......
Come on, exterminate or not, no more fence sitting!!

mazwak says...
7:14pm Sat 3 Jul 10

Finally some excellent journalism - Well done Gary Sheen for stating the true facts about our foxes. For those people out there that still believe that foxes are vermin, take a look at the true facts. http://www.saveme.or
g.uk/lame-claims/

Mari says...
8:54pm Sat 3 Jul 10

Thank you! I read your article with interest...and you have convinced me...a cull of foxes is unnecessary!...my neighbour had an injured fox come through her cat-flap twice this week...and took refuge under her bed...the rspca had to come and take it and unfortunately put it down!...i did say at the time they should be culled...but i now take back my words!...also i recycle each week... i end up with a caddy full of food waste...a pink bag full of recycling... and half a black bag of waste...so there is absolutely nothing for any animal to rip open!...wheely bins are unnecessary if everyone recycles properly!

chalkymeatballs says...
11:17pm Sat 3 Jul 10

Did you actually read the article

No, actually i couldnt, my house has been invaded by foxes and im trapped. heeellllllllllllllll
lllllppppppppppppppp
p, what a load of 5hite

InTheKnowOk says...
11:35pm Sat 3 Jul 10

I've been feeding foxes and badgers in my garden for the best part of 26 years and have never seen a tame one yet. If I was to open the door when they were feeding they would run a mile. I've also seen the neighbours cat sitting side by side with foxes who have shown no interest in them at all. Badgers, humans and cars seem their only enemy.
I think people need to get a grip, a couple of stories about foxes entering houses and tales of them rumaging through bins doesn't warrant a mass cull. Foxes, badgers and other animals are being forced out of their natual habitat by the ever increasing amount of houses being built on land they once roamed free on.

vanilla ice says...
7:57pm Sun 4 Jul 10

chalkymeatballs wrote:
Did you actually read the article

No, actually i couldnt, my house has been invaded by foxes and im trapped. heeellllllllllllllll

lllllppppppppppppppp

p, what a load of 5hite
I think you’re wrong; it couldn’t have been Foxes, they are really fussy about what they eat, you would have appeared to them with your slobbering foaming mouth and bulging eyes like a creature with an advanced case of rabies, which would make man or animal beat a hasty retreat. But they could have been fooled not knowing that was your general demeanour.

onegreatjohnny says...
10:13pm Sun 4 Jul 10

Get a pack of trained-to-kill and starved for the purpose hounds, a bunch of fifty horsemen and women in fancy dress trailing a mob of camp followers ... that should do the job, or not.

Hugh.Janus says...
10:24pm Sun 4 Jul 10

I am sorry to say that the writer spoils what people on here have been calling a 'balanced article. He ruins it by calling the mauling of the twins as an 'alleged' incident, thus disbelieving the parents, and then worst of all, making untrue statements.
Like a load of other fox huggers we have heard from in the past couple of weeks, especially that pillock from Queen, they do not believe that a fox would attack a human.
My words to you would be 'get a life', any wild animal will attack a human to either defend itself or if it sees a meal.
He says, I quote, "Disease-ridden they are not and pose no more of a risk to humans than your average canine or feline companion".
Is mange not a illness?
Dog mange is a common skin disease in canines that is characterised by heavy itching caused by parasitic mites that burrow either on the skin or hair follicles of the dog.
Have a look around Mr.Sheen and see how many of your beloved Foxes are wandering around Canvey Island with this condition.
Come down out of your little ivory white tower and take a walk down my street and you will see a few foxes not in the best of health.

APR says...
10:37pm Sun 4 Jul 10

As I said previously.
When all is said and done, a child is more likely to be killed or maimed by a pet dog, than they would by a fox.

Mark D says...
11:47pm Sun 4 Jul 10

Hugh.Janus wrote:
I am sorry to say that the writer spoils what people on here have been calling a 'balanced article. He ruins it by calling the mauling of the twins as an 'alleged' incident, thus disbelieving the parents, and then worst of all, making untrue statements. Like a load of other fox huggers we have heard from in the past couple of weeks, especially that pillock from Queen, they do not believe that a fox would attack a human. My words to you would be 'get a life', any wild animal will attack a human to either defend itself or if it sees a meal. He says, I quote, "Disease-ridden they are not and pose no more of a risk to humans than your average canine or feline companion". Is mange not a illness? Dog mange is a common skin disease in canines that is characterised by heavy itching caused by parasitic mites that burrow either on the skin or hair follicles of the dog. Have a look around Mr.Sheen and see how many of your beloved Foxes are wandering around Canvey Island with this condition. Come down out of your little ivory white tower and take a walk down my street and you will see a few foxes not in the best of health.
All the news reports that I saw on TV about the incident also referred to the fact it was an "alleged" attack by a fox. They must surely all have had a reason to say so, or are you claiming they were all biased as well.

InTheKnowOk says...
10:44am Mon 5 Jul 10

Hugh.Janus wrote:
I am sorry to say that the writer spoils what people on here have been calling a 'balanced article. He ruins it by calling the mauling of the twins as an 'alleged' incident, thus disbelieving the parents, and then worst of all, making untrue statements. Like a load of other fox huggers we have heard from in the past couple of weeks, especially that pillock from Queen, they do not believe that a fox would attack a human. My words to you would be 'get a life', any wild animal will attack a human to either defend itself or if it sees a meal. He says, I quote, "Disease-ridden they are not and pose no more of a risk to humans than your average canine or feline companion". Is mange not a illness? Dog mange is a common skin disease in canines that is characterised by heavy itching caused by parasitic mites that burrow either on the skin or hair follicles of the dog. Have a look around Mr.Sheen and see how many of your beloved Foxes are wandering around Canvey Island with this condition. Come down out of your little ivory white tower and take a walk down my street and you will see a few foxes not in the best of health.
Like I say, for over 26 years I have been feeding foxes and badgers and have never seen a tame one yet, when I open the door they are off like a rocket. As for 'mange' well I get on average 8 foxes a night that I see, once I go to bed there are probably many more, these are all of different sizes and I have yet to see one with obvious skin diseases.

InTheKnowOk says...
10:50am Mon 5 Jul 10

One more thing, in all my years on this Earth I have only ever heard of these two 'incidents' regarding fox attacks. That hardly warrants a cull does it?

VANGE LES says...
2:19pm Mon 5 Jul 10

Am I right in thinking that the family of the twins had a dog.
If so, this is a fact that seems to have been covered up, because to me it seems much more likely that a dog would attack a young child than a fox.
Are the family trying to protect their dog, by inventing the fox story ?

Caroline Porter says...
10:23pm Mon 5 Jul 10

And if Les Vange is right (which I believe he is), then the dog must be deaf with no sense of smell or a complete coward for the mother, as she claims, to be the first to notice the babies crying. Even my gentle little cat chased a fox away from my door - the fox was terrified of her. I think it's horrific that urban fox population have to pay with their lives for this incident (and it so neatly ties in with the potential repeal of the hunting with dogs ban - rural foxes will probably lose the support of the urban community and the huntsmen will be back in the saddle satisfying their bloodlust by watching foxes ripped apart - what a gift!).

ShoeburyCyclist says...
11:52pm Mon 5 Jul 10

VANGE LES wrote:
Am I right in thinking that the family of the twins had a dog.
If so, this is a fact that seems to have been covered up, because to me it seems much more likely that a dog would attack a young child than a fox.
Are the family trying to protect their dog, by inventing the fox story ?
No you are not correct in thinking that.

The Koupparis family do not own a dog.

Last Poster says...
12:23am Tue 6 Jul 10

What bothers me here is the "No smoke without fire" comments that exude regarding the parents of these children. For goodness sake, you animal welfare rights people are worse than a lynch mob! You all know how the paedophile name sticks to anyone whether guilty or not, but look at the way you brand these two people! You should be very, very ashamed. At least keep an open mind....... Ah, but then. you don't have one of those do you?

afletch says...
10:57am Tue 6 Jul 10

We are on their territory! I and many others am still confused as to how the timid foxes made their way into the childrens bedroom undisturbed and made to sound.

Walt Jabsco says...
11:39am Tue 6 Jul 10

In my eyes a good article and some good comments after it.
I have two young children so can empathise with the parents, but would also like to point out that it is such a rariety for something like this to happen.
Indeed, it is quite a scary truth that children are at more risk of harm from paedophiles, gangs, drugs, speeders/careless drivers than of any wildlife, the list is endless, and is there a demand to cull all of those...I think not.

Cubbage says...
1:51pm Tue 6 Jul 10

I wondered where all the journalists had gone. That's those people who investigate and learn about a subject before they start scribbling. The Daily Wail doesn't have any. The Daily Excess doesn't have any. Thanks Heavens the Echo has at least one. Well done, Gary, for a refreshingly non-hysterical article. Just one thing though - your headline "Foxes are no more deadly than your cat or dog" - there are four and a half thousand attacks each year in the UK by domestic dogs including several deaths. One of these attacks happened whilst the papers were ranting about foxes - not one of which has ever killed a human. Did anyone notice it? Possibly the only person who did was the kid whose leg was almost torn off by the family's own dog.

Baker_Boy says...
1:47pm Wed 7 Jul 10

hehe like that

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