Thousands must be paid back by benefit cheats (From Echo)

This overpayment is being recovered from his ongoing benefit entitlement.

So if you are convicted of benefit fraud, you are still allowed to collect benefits???

And what is with the 'benefit entitlement' ? No more benefits Kick his manky butt to the curb and let him starve.

This cannot be correct. I know from reading the Echo comments section that only johnny foreigner immigrants are benefit cheats. So on top of the fraud they have now gone and stolen British names. Outrageous!

Excellent news the more of these THIEVING benefit cheats that are caught the better.

These people are stealing my money which should be going to the people that really deserve it. OR allow me to pay less taxes.

I do expect hate from the normal left wing followers.

I would hardly call being made to pay back fraudently obtained funds justice. As above, why are they still being allowed to claim?

perini wrote:
I would hardly call being made to pay back fraudently obtained funds justice. As above, why are they still being allowed to claim?

Because Britain is a civilised nation that does not inflict unnecessary suffering on people. Unlike el caballero's beloved China.

perini wrote:
I would hardly call being made to pay back fraudently obtained funds justice. As above, why are they still being allowed to claim?

They shouldn't be allowed to claim. Steal from the taxpayer and the taxpayer still pays. No wonder we are a laughing stock the world over.

Get caught cheating, don't
worry, we will keep giving you money.

LocalBoy wrote:
This cannot be correct. I know from reading the Echo comments section that only johnny foreigner immigrants are benefit cheats. So on top of the fraud they have now gone and stolen British names. Outrageous!

Don't know about that but us bigoted indigenous Brits seem to be the ones getting caught! Perhaps it's down to using proper names and addresses.
We certainly are lagging behind in playing the system and could do with a few lessons in how to manage multiple identities and use of the "me no understand" defence. Even the "human rights" argument doesn't seem to apply to our own.

All benefit fraud impacts on the pocket of the UK taxpayer and needs clamping down on. That said some of these British "criminals" probably contributed to the system at some stage before they decided it was time to get something back......

Meanwhile, my Disabled Fiance and I were FORCED to undergo Cross-Questioning, when we applied for the money to buy a new and MUCH-Needed washing machine a matter of years ago?

Now when we want anything, we scrape-by, in order to save for it, regardless of how long it takes, including the NEED of some new carpeting in our home, as my Income will NEVER be able to pay for it.

Yes, we get just over £150 per week to keep 2 of us on, including the running of an ESSENTIAL car, due to Pathetic, AND Diabolical Public Transport here, despite FREE Bus passes.

Trainman wrote:
Meanwhile, my Disabled Fiance and I were FORCED to undergo Cross-Questioning, when we applied for the money to buy a new and MUCH-Needed washing machine a matter of years ago? Now when we want anything, we scrape-by, in order to save for it, regardless of how long it takes, including the NEED of some new carpeting in our home, as my Income will NEVER be able to pay for it. Yes, we get just over £150 per week to keep 2 of us on, including the running of an ESSENTIAL car, due to Pathetic, AND Diabolical Public Transport here, despite FREE Bus passes.

Why should th etaxpayer pay for your washing machine or carpet? If you wan tthos ehtings, you work for them just like everyone else has too. I assume you get everything paid for by the state and the 150 quid is oyur walking around money. Quit your moaning. If you want better, get a job. NO free lunches anymore you muppet!

gitreal wrote:

Trainman wrote:
Meanwhile, my Disabled Fiance and I were FORCED to undergo Cross-Questioning, when we applied for the money to buy a new and MUCH-Needed washing machine a matter of years ago? Now when we want anything, we scrape-by, in order to save for it, regardless of how long it takes, including the NEED of some new carpeting in our home, as my Income will NEVER be able to pay for it. Yes, we get just over £150 per week to keep 2 of us on, including the running of an ESSENTIAL car, due to Pathetic, AND Diabolical Public Transport here, despite FREE Bus passes.

Why should th etaxpayer pay for your washing machine or carpet? If you wan tthos ehtings, you work for them just like everyone else has too. I assume you get everything paid for by the state and the 150 quid is oyur walking around money. Quit your moaning. If you want better, get a job. NO free lunches anymore you muppet!

Thankfully I seem to hold the view (as do the majority in this country) that where there is genuine need then the state via our taxes should help and support those people.
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The reality is that the Thatcher years did long and lasting damage to the structure of UK society. Many people (usually those who have never suffered unemployment) have a very bigoted and prejudiced view of those who ask for or need state support even when assistance will clearly benefit of the wider community as well as the individuals concerned.
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You are clearly in the school of kick them when they are down and rest your foot on them when they are trying to get back up again.
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You are the only Muppet that I can see here. Long live free lunches for those that cannot afford to eat. After all they are still taking them in the City of London and we are all paying for them, so why not help the needy when justified?

LocalBoy wrote:

gitreal wrote:

Trainman wrote: Meanwhile, my Disabled Fiance and I were FORCED to undergo Cross-Questioning, when we applied for the money to buy a new and MUCH-Needed washing machine a matter of years ago? Now when we want anything, we scrape-by, in order to save for it, regardless of how long it takes, including the NEED of some new carpeting in our home, as my Income will NEVER be able to pay for it. Yes, we get just over £150 per week to keep 2 of us on, including the running of an ESSENTIAL car, due to Pathetic, AND Diabolical Public Transport here, despite FREE Bus passes.

Why should th etaxpayer pay for your washing machine or carpet? If you wan tthos ehtings, you work for them just like everyone else has too. I assume you get everything paid for by the state and the 150 quid is oyur walking around money. Quit your moaning. If you want better, get a job. NO free lunches anymore you muppet!

Thankfully I seem to hold the view (as do the majority in this country) that where there is genuine need then the state via our taxes should help and support those people. ** The reality is that the Thatcher years did long and lasting damage to the structure of UK society. Many people (usually those who have never suffered unemployment) have a very bigoted and prejudiced view of those who ask for or need state support even when assistance will clearly benefit of the wider community as well as the individuals concerned. ** You are clearly in the school of kick them when they are down and rest your foot on them when they are trying to get back up again. ** You are the only Muppet that I can see here. Long live free lunches for those that cannot afford to eat. After all they are still taking them in the City of London and we are all paying for them, so why not help the needy when justified?

I take offence to your post.

I have no problem with helping those in genuine need at all. I think the truely disadvantaged should be helped.

I don't think the state should provide washing machines and carpet for those on benefits. Next we will provide cleaners, butlers and gardeners too?

I get tired of those who always bleat on about what they should get, their entitlements and moaning about how hard done by they are.

Thatcher was 30 years ago and people still blame her for the problems of this country. I think Labour in the last 13 years did more damage to this country than 1000 Thatchers could.

gitreal wrote:

Trainman wrote:
Meanwhile, my Disabled Fiance and I were FORCED to undergo Cross-Questioning, when we applied for the money to buy a new and MUCH-Needed washing machine a matter of years ago? Now when we want anything, we scrape-by, in order to save for it, regardless of how long it takes, including the NEED of some new carpeting in our home, as my Income will NEVER be able to pay for it. Yes, we get just over £150 per week to keep 2 of us on, including the running of an ESSENTIAL car, due to Pathetic, AND Diabolical Public Transport here, despite FREE Bus passes.

Why should th etaxpayer pay for your washing machine or carpet? If you wan tthos ehtings, you work for them just like everyone else has too. I assume you get everything paid for by the state and the 150 quid is oyur walking around money. Quit your moaning. If you want better, get a job. NO free lunches anymore you muppet!

Gitreal, usually you comment on here with a level of intelligence which, compared to some others, makes your posts readable. You've let yourself down with this post however; it's just gratuitously abusive.

You know nothing of Trainman or his circumstances (you foolishly "assume" the £150 is pocket money?), so to call the retired gentleman a muppet on the basis that he once applied for state assistance for a washing machine (but not the carpet - read the comment again) is as ignorant as it is uncharitable.

Happy New Year,

Frank

gitreal wrote:

LocalBoy wrote:

gitreal wrote:

Trainman wrote: Meanwhile, my Disabled Fiance and I were FORCED to undergo Cross-Questioning, when we applied for the money to buy a new and MUCH-Needed washing machine a matter of years ago? Now when we want anything, we scrape-by, in order to save for it, regardless of how long it takes, including the NEED of some new carpeting in our home, as my Income will NEVER be able to pay for it. Yes, we get just over £150 per week to keep 2 of us on, including the running of an ESSENTIAL car, due to Pathetic, AND Diabolical Public Transport here, despite FREE Bus passes.

Why should th etaxpayer pay for your washing machine or carpet? If you wan tthos ehtings, you work for them just like everyone else has too. I assume you get everything paid for by the state and the 150 quid is oyur walking around money. Quit your moaning. If you want better, get a job. NO free lunches anymore you muppet!

Thankfully I seem to hold the view (as do the majority in this country) that where there is genuine need then the state via our taxes should help and support those people. ** The reality is that the Thatcher years did long and lasting damage to the structure of UK society. Many people (usually those who have never suffered unemployment) have a very bigoted and prejudiced view of those who ask for or need state support even when assistance will clearly benefit of the wider community as well as the individuals concerned. ** You are clearly in the school of kick them when they are down and rest your foot on them when they are trying to get back up again. ** You are the only Muppet that I can see here. Long live free lunches for those that cannot afford to eat. After all they are still taking them in the City of London and we are all paying for them, so why not help the needy when justified?

I take offence to your post.

I have no problem with helping those in genuine need at all. I think the truely disadvantaged should be helped.

I don't think the state should provide washing machines and carpet for those on benefits. Next we will provide cleaners, butlers and gardeners too?

I get tired of those who always bleat on about what they should get, their entitlements and moaning about how hard done by they are.

Thatcher was 30 years ago and people still blame her for the problems of this country. I think Labour in the last 13 years did more damage to this country than 1000 Thatchers could.

If you take offence at my post you really need to re-read your own.
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The facts are that the Thatcher and major governments sold off national assets on the cheap and deregulated pensions, the financial markets and industry to such a degree that the damage done will take many decades to repair; that is of course if our political masters can be bothered; after all most are elected on populist policies for a period of between 3-5 years; fixing big issues is not really on the agenda.
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Labour did nothing; the current government has the majority of the population convinced that as the 6th richest country in the world we are about to go down the plug hole and each of us has to pay for the mistakes of the Thatcher government that Major, Blair or Brown could not be bothered to fix properly; will Cameron. I think not!
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Just a couple of examples of where we have been badly damaged by Thatcher's and Major's policies;
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Pension deregulation;thatche
r allowed pension payment holidays for companies in the 80's; the money that should have gone to company pensions was paid in inflated dividends and executive wages; the result today pensions are in trouble and we carry the can!
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Privatisation of Utilities: we now pay over inflated charges for water and power supposedly through a quasi market mechanism that was put in on the mantra of "giving the consumer choice". Now most of our key utilities are owned by foreign organisations and we pay far more for their services then the population do in their home countries; cross subsidisation I think it is called. I don't have a choice I need water; I need power!
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I could go on but I'm now boring myself.

Why bother with the Left wing comments on this site, they have their view which is that Socialism is best, that view is taken despite unbelievable evidence that it does not work because the Left Wing Part member Political elite become worse than Capitalists.

The truth is most sensible people do not mind contributing towards the less fortunates, however they do object to people stealing their money that should be going towards the unfortunates.

I use the term 'Their Money' because we have far too many people that have been brainwashed into the 'Welfare State' mentality and forget that WE the working taxpayers have to pay.

Francis Grubb wrote:

gitreal wrote:

Trainman wrote: Meanwhile, my Disabled Fiance and I were FORCED to undergo Cross-Questioning, when we applied for the money to buy a new and MUCH-Needed washing machine a matter of years ago? Now when we want anything, we scrape-by, in order to save for it, regardless of how long it takes, including the NEED of some new carpeting in our home, as my Income will NEVER be able to pay for it. Yes, we get just over £150 per week to keep 2 of us on, including the running of an ESSENTIAL car, due to Pathetic, AND Diabolical Public Transport here, despite FREE Bus passes.

Why should th etaxpayer pay for your washing machine or carpet? If you wan tthos ehtings, you work for them just like everyone else has too. I assume you get everything paid for by the state and the 150 quid is oyur walking around money. Quit your moaning. If you want better, get a job. NO free lunches anymore you muppet!

Gitreal, usually you comment on here with a level of intelligence which, compared to some others, makes your posts readable. You've let yourself down with this post however; it's just gratuitously abusive. You know nothing of Trainman or his circumstances (you foolishly "assume" the £150 is pocket money?), so to call the retired gentleman a muppet on the basis that he once applied for state assistance for a washing machine (but not the carpet - read the comment again) is as ignorant as it is uncharitable. Happy New Year, Frank

Frank, I have read enough of Trainsmans posts to make my comments. I stand by my comments that if you are on state assistance because you need it, okay. But on state assistance and asking for a washing machine? C'mon where does it end? New car? Boat?

I have yet to see anyone on state benefits that is suffering through a hard time.

Trouble is, if people don't get what they want, the wailing and gnashing of teeth of how hard done by they are occurs.

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Why is it that so much public debate about social security has been ill-formed and prejudiced? It has become an evidence-free debate based on rumour and biased reporting of unusual cases.

Gitreal: Please can you find out what the reality is about benefits for washing machines before launching into your tirades.

A small minority of people on means tested benefits like Income Support who have specific needs for a washing machine because of issues like their disability (eg incontinence), can apply to a cash-limit budget for a basic Community Care Grant priced at budget level if the machine is beyond repair. The grants are discretionary, most are refused and are targeted at a small minority of claimants, even those with severe disabilities. You are also required to use any capital you have above £500 first.

Actually people in very dire straits can be and are frequently refused. hence the intrusive and lengthy (and expensive) questioning of applicants.

This is not a lifestyle issue but a thin safety net. Or do you expect people to sleep in their soiled sheets?

I also suggest you try finding out what life is really like on benefits - try living on £9.35 a day as a single unemployed person over 25 and finding it impossible to cover the cost of all your food, heat and light, replacement clothing and household items, phone bills, etc.

And to get even that it is necessary to undergo a humiliating and long-winded application carried out by benefits officials who are too often unsympathetic and poorly informed.