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Meat’s off the menu as pub goes vegetarian
4:00pm Friday 25th March 2011 in News By Jasmin McDermott
Food revolution – Fi Jacobs and Dave Dulake are planning to offer a vegetarian-only menu at the Railway Hotel
FORGET the pork scratchings! Traditional pub grub in Southend is being transformed as one popular drinking hole introduces a vegetarian-only menu.
The Railway Hotel will replace its meaty pub pies and snacks with soups, risottos and nut roasts to become the only place in Southend to offer a completely vegetarian menu, as well as offering vegan delicacies.
The only other vegetarian restaurant, My Kitchen, in Leigh Road, Leigh, closed last year.
Railway managers Dave Dulake and Fi Jacobs, 26, want their new-look and healthy cuisine to offer residents a welcome alternative to other restaurants, which only offer a limited vegetarian choice.
The duo, who are both vegetarians, have high hopes of introducing a takeaway service and vegetarian breakfasts if the menu is successful at the pub in Clifftown Road.
Dave, 37, said: “We think people will come and eat here more because we offer a niche in the market as there is no other vegetarian restaurant in the town.
“Since we became vegetarians, we found there are not many options for places to eat.
“We feel we can promote healthy food in a good way and make it interesting with lots of different ingredients and meals.
“We want to make it easier for vegetarians to get good, reasonably priced food with generous portions.”
The pub’s new menu will be rolled out with a choice of three or four dishes including daily specials on April 22, when it will be handing out free samples. Chef Del Glover, who previously worked for My Kitchen before it closed, has been drafted in to offer vegetarian soups, crepes, curries and even vegetarian crisps.
Comments(86)
InTheKnowOk
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4:28pm Fri 25 Mar 11
reptile
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4:41pm Fri 25 Mar 11
jolllyboy
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5:14pm Fri 25 Mar 11
rablenkov
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5:23pm Fri 25 Mar 11
'V'
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6:18pm Fri 25 Mar 11
Browntrout
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6:36pm Fri 25 Mar 11
Mark D
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6:37pm Fri 25 Mar 11
Francis Grubb
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6:44pm Fri 25 Mar 11
'V' wrote:Unless I'm missing some tongue-in-cheek sarcasm here, it strikes me that, for someone who normally posts with a degree of intelligence & reason, you display a high degree of ignorance here, V.
Typical selfish vegans. Everywhere else is expected to cater for vegans on their menu, but when vegans open an eatery they refuse to cater for meat eaters. I hope it fails.
Vegans & veggies don't eat meat because they don't agree with the (perceived) cruelty & moral issues around eating animals.
So why on earth would a vegan/veggie ever even consider serving food with meat or fish in it?
Me? I'm with Rablenkov on this one.
Frank
Bosniavet
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6:46pm Fri 25 Mar 11
S6girly
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6:47pm Fri 25 Mar 11
Mark D wrote:Some crisps contain milk and therefore not vegan ......
Vegetarian crisps? Who ever heard of such a thing.
Personally I do not care whether I eat meat or not.
Good luck to The Railway.
Always a good time to be had in there, whether you're eating or not!
'V'
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7:11pm Fri 25 Mar 11
jayman
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7:21pm Fri 25 Mar 11
fletch12107
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7:22pm Fri 25 Mar 11
APR
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7:37pm Fri 25 Mar 11
Francis Grubb
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8:42pm Fri 25 Mar 11
'V' wrote:Not if they keep vermin out of the barrels... :)
Will they be taking all their beers off the menu as beer contains animal products too.
Frank
x2k
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11:47pm Fri 25 Mar 11
rablenkov wrote:Hurrah - a sensible post amongst the mire of ignorance and rudeness on here.
Seems like a good idea. As an avowed meat-eater, I actually really enjoy having a meat-free meal a couple of times a week as a bit of a change. Good luck to them and I hope it works out.
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I'm also very much omnivorous and like the occasional veggie meal, particularly when I'm on a health-kick. So first up, I wish these people the very best of luck in terms of providing something different in town.
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However... this is a business. And for a business to survive, you have to appeal to as large a market share as possible. While I applaud them for coming up with something different, healthy, and no doubt lovely, they're cutting out a potentially huge customer base.
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Morals aside, there are some people who will always want meat as part of a balanced diet, or those who are just in the mood for it. As such, they won't come near. It's all very well standing by your morals, but it's not good business sense.
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I wish them every success, and will even be visiting myself, but I do worry this won't penetrate the market too well. Particularly given the level of ignorance already displayed on here.
rablenkov
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5:46am Sat 26 Mar 11
My father hates curry; can't stand the stuff. He dislikes the flavour of the curry spices. Would he therefore go into an Indian restaurant and demand that they make him a pepperoni pizza? No, of course he wouldn't. In the same way, you wouldn't expect a vegetarian establishment t serve meat; you'd simply go elsewhere if you couldn't possible forego some tasty, tasty flesh for one meal.
Judging by some of these comments, I get the impression that certain people, if served a steaming plate of spaghetti with home-made pesto, freshly grated parmesan, and a wedge of garlic bread, would immediately and disbelievingly start delving into it with their eating implements looking for some sausages or perhaps a steak.
Not every meal needs to have meat in it. If you disagree with that, you are free to eat in pretty much EVERY OTHER establishment in Essex.
Would it be rude of me to say "grow up and stop being so petty"?
save southend
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7:41am Sat 26 Mar 11
Aint it just the truth
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8:23am Sat 26 Mar 11
yayyay
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9:43am Sat 26 Mar 11
Dougal
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10:58am Sat 26 Mar 11
APR
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11:05am Sat 26 Mar 11
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Pot calling kettle black maybe, in an attempt to take the moral high ground ?
SUCKLEMONS
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4:41pm Sat 26 Mar 11
Good luck mate I will pop in with the wife.
TaoMark
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5:23pm Sat 26 Mar 11
1) salad
2) vegetable pasta (usually lasagne)
3) mushroom risotto
4) side dishes only (chips, garlic bread, etc).
99% of the "vegetarian options" offered by most establishments fall into those 3 categories and being vegan cuts those odds even further.
As for InTheKnow's comment that because his daughter is vegetarian but the rest aren't, the whole family won't be eating there, my family feels the same when we try to go out and there's nothing substantial for me.
Oh, and V: only some beers are not vegetarian, mostly real ales and stout (and some white wines). Although try asking your average barman if a beer is vegetarian and you'll most likely get faced with a blank stare. Most don't even know how the beer is made and why some aren't veggie. I've even had managers having to call the brewery to find out.
So good luck to the Railway - at least now I'll have somewhere inventive to go out and eat. Hopefully they won't be as expensive as MyKitchen (possibly one of the reasons why it closed, but that's Leigh for you....)
Ian P
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5:47pm Sat 26 Mar 11
yayyay wrote:This is not the first vegetarian restaurant to close in Leigh. I lived in Leigh a few years ago and there was a vegetarian restaurant in the Broadway for a while, which eventually closed.
I think the phrase "The only other vegetarian restaurant, My Kitchen, in Leigh Road, Leigh, closed last year." says it all especially as the same chef is being used at this pub! And yes, I know it doesn't say WHY it closed, but probably because not enough people went there.
duncanarmour
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10:14am Sun 27 Mar 11
I'm sure a lot of taste-buds will be tantalised.
Maybe people will be able to look past stuck positions about what they consider to be "proper" food, and will just enjoy some great food.
A similar venture, the Veggie Red Lion, in Great Bricett, is inundated all the time, with locals and veggies from all over.
lordkolmteist
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2:52pm Sun 27 Mar 11
I hope it works, because its nice to see someone try something, even if it's as insane as this.
APR
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2:58pm Sun 27 Mar 11
His wife told him that if he wanted it, he could cook it.
He soon changed his mind :)
perini
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9:50pm Sun 27 Mar 11
yayyay wrote:Good point - I personally know the man who owned that restaurant and he couldn't make it pay because there wasn't enough trade! Says it all really.
I think the phrase "The only other vegetarian restaurant, My Kitchen, in Leigh Road, Leigh, closed last year." says it all especially as the same chef is being used at this pub! And yes, I know it doesn't say WHY it closed, but probably because not enough people went there.
DannyK86
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10:25am Mon 28 Mar 11
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I do like the Railway as a pub though - it offers an atmosphere you can't find in any of the other chav-ridden vertical drinking establishments in town... the rock & roll/blues piano session there on christmas eve was quality!
brogmalog
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10:50am Mon 28 Mar 11
If, God forbid, the venture does actually fail, like so many of you seem to want, just think who'd be the first to moan that the empty pub is another blot on the landscape of Southend. Unless you want more flats being built in the town, we should be supporting ALL of our local businesses - and applauding them when they try to do something different - not slating them.
gitreal
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11:23am Mon 28 Mar 11
DavidAnderson
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11:26am Mon 28 Mar 11
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PJR
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11:52am Mon 28 Mar 11
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When I first read the story, I though, ah, here's a couple who want to shove their beliefs onto others. Then I read these comments. It is an alternative, but I still don't believe it will work.
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When you say Vegetarian, what comes into your mind? Fruit and veg, maybe tofu. If I am honest, I didn't think about pasta until I read a comment above. That is how a lot of people will think. If I go to a pub for lunch or dinner, I like a choice. The choices here, I believe anyway, will be limited.
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I don't like curry either, but I will go to an Indian, as there is alternatives, a mild chicken tika, or even some english food (yep, fussy!) But there's no alternative here.
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I wish them every success, I don't want them to fail, unlike, it seems, some posters. But I don't envisage it being successful. I do hope I am proven wrong, really I do, and may it be a successful venture. But it is one place I won't be visiting.
richomack360
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12:24pm Mon 28 Mar 11
Or is this positive discrimination ? If I opened a meat only eatery I would be forced by a man in a lab coat with a clipboard to get a carrot on the menu!
no meat ? No thanks, my family are all meat eaters and love it, bit short sighted to offer no alternative
Good luck, but no thanks
Mark D
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1:00pm Mon 28 Mar 11
Mark D
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1:37pm Mon 28 Mar 11
Kram
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1:39pm Mon 28 Mar 11
Baker-Boy
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1:50pm Mon 28 Mar 11
what the big deal about really its one food group deal with it.
if they took off something else like Veg or breads would people be moaning the same
places are judge on how gd the food is
TseTse
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3:21pm Mon 28 Mar 11
They won't last long.
Aint it just the truth
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3:39pm Mon 28 Mar 11
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Just for the record humans evolved from an emphatically herbiverous line, we do not have carniverous stomachs etc and we have not always eaten meat as many believe. Apart from people like the Inuit, eating lots of meat only became common when we started farming animals about 10k years ago. It's also easier to prove that eating meat causes bowel and stomach cancers than it is to prove that smoking causes lung cancer.
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Producing meat protein is so inefficient that if we all stopped eating meat tomorrow (which obviously won't happen) it would solve the global warming problem overnight. So good luck to this enterprise.
ShoeburyCyclist
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5:01pm Mon 28 Mar 11
Aint it just the truth wrote:"Just for the record humans evolved from an emphatically herbiverous line, we do not have carniverous stomachs etc and we have not always eaten meat as many believe."
According to all the surveys one in ten of the population are veggies and a fair proportion of the remainder avoid meat sometimes.
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Just for the record humans evolved from an emphatically herbiverous line, we do not have carniverous stomachs etc and we have not always eaten meat as many believe. Apart from people like the Inuit, eating lots of meat only became common when we started farming animals about 10k years ago. It's also easier to prove that eating meat causes bowel and stomach cancers than it is to prove that smoking causes lung cancer.
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Producing meat protein is so inefficient that if we all stopped eating meat tomorrow (which obviously won't happen) it would solve the global warming problem overnight. So good luck to this enterprise.
This is not true. Humans evolved from an omnivorous line. We are not, and have never been, obligate vegetarians. That is why we have both molar and incisor teeth. So we can cut, rip, and tear meat, as well as chew vegetation.
http://www.vrg.org/n
utshell/omni.htm
VillagerNo6
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5:33pm Mon 28 Mar 11
Aint it just the truth
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Sorry but you don't know what you're talking about. Our stomachs are MUCH longer than any carnivores as meat is digested much quicker than vegetation. And the earliest confirmed evidence of the homo line eating meat was around 2.5 to 3 million years ago when our ancestors were reduced to scavenging. All the evidence suggests that all earlier sub species, such as Ardipithecus etc ate fruit, berries etc. The appendix is further proof of this. Also, contrary to popular belief, our hunter gatherer ancestors would have eaten mostly vegetable matter, just as modern h/g's do for the simple reason that animal protein tends to run away, vegetable protein doesn't. In confirmation of this we find that over 70% of stone tools were used to cut vegatble matter not animal products. I bet you are a meat eater, that would explain your bias and your distortion of the real facts.
BD
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11:12am Tue 29 Mar 11
Why moan about something that will never effect you and you have no interest in...??
Aint it just the truth
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12:30pm Tue 29 Mar 11
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As a postscript to my previous response to ShoeburyCyclist tooth morphology alone is not a good indicator of diet but when taken in combination with other factors they can reveal a lot about our diet. Our Miocene ancestors also had incisors and canines but they were much smaller than ours and clearly inadequate for eating meat. Wear analysis confirms that they used these teeth to eat hard fruits, nuts and seeds, not meat, much as modern apes do today, and previous ancestors were emphatically vegetarian, not omniverous as you claim. The change to a more omniverous diet only happened a few million years ago (recent history in evolutionary terms) for the simple reason that our ancestors were desperate - they were small defenceless apes who had to eat whatever they could get their hands on. The big turning point came when we discovered fire which allowed us to make meat more easily digestible. Then, when we started farming animals around 10kya (yesterday in evolutionary terms) our meat intake increased dramatically. It is commonly accepted that adding meat to our diet helped us grow larger brains but paradoxically meat eating may now be part of our downfall as it takes eight to ten times the energy and the area of land to produce meat protein than it does to produce vegetable protein. Put bluntly the human race HAS to eat less meat or we will all suffer the consequences - shame some meat eaters have such blinkered artificial attitudes.
emcee
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1:42pm Tue 29 Mar 11
I, personally, do not feel I've eaten if I have not had meat with my meal. I start craving the stuff about an hour afterwards. So for that reason I'm out.
The Cowboy
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2:27pm Tue 29 Mar 11
richomack360 wrote:Show me the law that says restaurants HAVE to provide a veggie option.
umm....surely if restaurants have to provide a vegtarian option then a vegetarian place has to offer a meat option ? Or is this positive discrimination ? If I opened a meat only eatery I would be forced by a man in a lab coat with a clipboard to get a carrot on the menu! no meat ? No thanks, my family are all meat eaters and love it, bit short sighted to offer no alternative Good luck, but no thanks
There isn't one.
Admirable idea for a restaurant but I can't help thinking that for all the other choices available, it'd be a tough call to choose a veggie restaurant over all others.
It'll last 3 months max before they start introducing meat dishes. Its simply unsustainable.
BD
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VillagerNo6
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ShoeburyCyclist
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6:05pm Tue 29 Mar 11
Aint it just the truth wrote:Would it be fair to bet you are a vegetarian, hence your skewing of the facts?
"Just for the record humans evolved from an emphatically herbiverous line, we do not have carniverous stomachs etc and we have not always eaten meat as many believe." This is not true. Humans evolved from an omnivorous line. We are not, and have never been, obligate vegetarians.
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Sorry but you don't know what you're talking about. Our stomachs are MUCH longer than any carnivores as meat is digested much quicker than vegetation. And the earliest confirmed evidence of the homo line eating meat was around 2.5 to 3 million years ago when our ancestors were reduced to scavenging. All the evidence suggests that all earlier sub species, such as Ardipithecus etc ate fruit, berries etc. The appendix is further proof of this. Also, contrary to popular belief, our hunter gatherer ancestors would have eaten mostly vegetable matter, just as modern h/g's do for the simple reason that animal protein tends to run away, vegetable protein doesn't. In confirmation of this we find that over 70% of stone tools were used to cut vegatble matter not animal products. I bet you are a meat eater, that would explain your bias and your distortion of the real facts.
Humans have evolved to eat meat, that is why vegans require protein supplements.
Aint it just the truth
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6:55pm Tue 29 Mar 11
Steve H
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12:19am Wed 30 Mar 11
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You have to cater for all tastes these days, can't see this establishment lasting.
ShoeburyCyclist
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11:37am Wed 30 Mar 11
Aint it just the truth wrote:There is no need for insults, I have not been rude to you.
Shoebury Cyclist you are an imbecile. How many times do you have to hear the facts before they sink in? We did NOT evolve to eat meat, we only started to eat meat a few million years ago, which is like yesterday in evolutonary terms and even then we only ate small amounts of meat until about 10k years ago when we started farming meat. Believe me we haven't evolved much in the last 10k years! Get your facts right!
Humans are not ruminants, we do not have multiple stomachs for digesting vegetation. We are designed to eat anything we can. Including meat.
You quote humans eating meat for a few millions of years. Homo-sapiens (modern humans) are currently believed to have appeared around 200,000 years ago. This proves my argument that we ARE evolved to eat meat, as we are descended from those early meat-eating hominids. They were eating meat for millions of years prior to our arrival in the evolutionary chain.
Aint it just the truth
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1:01pm Wed 30 Mar 11
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I never said we are ruminants. Ruminants are not the only herbiferous animals you know. Most apes and monkeys for example only eat vegetable matter but they do not have multiple stomachs, they have one very long stomach just like we do, unlike all carnivores who only have little short stomachs. OK?
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If you look at the Miocene apes we are descended from (5 - 23 Million years ago) they have canines and inscisors much too small to deal with raw meat. But as I also said tooth morphology alone is not enough to determine diet. However, when taken with tooth wear analysis and the evolutionary evidence of short stomachs and the appendix we can say with certainty that they were NOT meat eaters. The evidence says this would also be true of our earliest hominid ancestors which means we have come from an emphatically herbiferous line that probably stretches back hundreds if not thousands of millions of years. OK?
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"Modern" Homo Sapiens (not true Homo Sapiens Sapiens like us) may have evolved around 200,000 years ago but the evidence is still flimsy. However, we were certainly around by 100,000 years ago by which time we were certainly scavenging and may even have been taking the first steps towards active hunting. However, that doesn't mean that meat was a significant part of our diet back then as hunter gathers rely mostly on the food that doesn't run away for the simple reason that they can't always catch meat. Studies have shown that meat only makes up a tiny part of hunter gatherer diets. But even if we were regularly eating meat it was only in response to our desperate plight - we were at the bottom of the food chain -and there certainly hasn't been enough time for our bodies to evolve meat eating adaptions in a mere 100,000 years. That would take MUCH longer.
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Your "argument" proves nothing except that you know nothing about human evolution. Go check the facts for yourself but be careful where you get your info from, there is a lot of nonsense on the web.
Mark D
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1:26pm Wed 30 Mar 11
Aint it just the truth
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ShoeburyCyclist
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2:19pm Wed 30 Mar 11
Mark D wrote:Agreed. It seems disagreeing with people on this website warrants personal attacks. Where I come from once someone has to resort to insult they have lost the argument.
"There is a lot of nonsense on the web." Yes, and most of it can be found in the comments section of the Echo (boom! boom!).
'Canines and incisors', those are carnivorous traits. More proof that we are evolved to eat meat.
Aint it just the truth
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2:51pm Wed 30 Mar 11
ShoeburyCyclist wrote:You are an idiot ShoeburyCyclist - facts are facts whether you like it or not.
Mark D wrote: "There is a lot of nonsense on the web." Yes, and most of it can be found in the comments section of the Echo (boom! boom!).Agreed. It seems disagreeing with people on this website warrants personal attacks. Where I come from once someone has to resort to insult they have lost the argument. 'Canines and incisors', those are carnivorous traits. More proof that we are evolved to eat meat.
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Canines and Incisors are NOT only present in carniverous animals, hippos, monkeys and apes have them for a start and none of them are meat eaters or evolved from meat eating lines. Every "proof" you have come up with is nonsensical and illogical.
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Your biases stop you knowing the truth SC and your attitude betrays your level of education. I bet a pound to a penny your education never went beyond secondary school did it? Either that or you are so old you are losing it. Live and learn matey ... losing the ability to reassess your beliefs in the light of new knowledge is defined as dementia.
Aint it just the truth
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2:52pm Wed 30 Mar 11
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Canines and Incisors are NOT only present in carniverous animals, hippos, monkeys and apes have them for a start and none of them are meat eaters or evolved from meat eating lines. Every "proof" you have come up with is nonsensical and illogical.
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Your biases stop you knowing the truth SC and your attitude betrays your level of education. I bet a pound to a penny your education never went beyond secondary school did it? Either that or you are so old you are losing it. Live and learn matey ... losing the ability to reassess your beliefs in the light of new knowledge is defined as dementia.
ShoeburyCyclist
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6:31pm Wed 30 Mar 11
Aint it just the truth wrote:Actually apes DO eat meat. In fact they kill each other to do it.
You are an idiot ShoeburyCyclist - facts are facts whether you like it or not.
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Canines and Incisors are NOT only present in carniverous animals, hippos, monkeys and apes have them for a start and none of them are meat eaters or evolved from meat eating lines. Every "proof" you have come up with is nonsensical and illogical.
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Your biases stop you knowing the truth SC and your attitude betrays your level of education. I bet a pound to a penny your education never went beyond secondary school did it? Either that or you are so old you are losing it. Live and learn matey ... losing the ability to reassess your beliefs in the light of new knowledge is defined as dementia.
How many vegetarian animals have canines and incisors? Horses? No. Cows? No. Sheep? No.
How many meat eating animals have canines and incisors? All of them.
One other thing about meat eaters: we are intelligent enough not to have to resort to insult when we are disagreed with.
Aint it just the truth
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8:03pm Wed 30 Mar 11
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As for apes eating meat - been watching the Discovery channel have you? If you looked a bit further you would know that this is not normal behaviour for apes - most don't do it, the exceptions being a small population of Bonobos in west Africa and a couple of other groups. And it may be a fairly recent development as we have never found any evidence for older populations doing this, but then they are apes, they learn. Can you?
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You want me to stop insulting you? Then check your facts first and say sensible things.
ShoeburyCyclist
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8:41pm Wed 30 Mar 11
Aint it just the truth wrote:People throwing insults has never succeeded in anything other than reflecting badly on the one doing the insulting.
There you go again Shoebury Cyclist, shooting off your mouth about things you know nothing about. Actually horses DO have canines and incisors - check it out. In fact most herbiverous mammals have canines and/or incisors but like us they are smaller than carniverous canines. Canines are not purely for eating meat, they are just front teeth adapted for eating whatever the animal eats be that raw meat or seeds, nuts, tough fruits etc
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As for apes eating meat - been watching the Discovery channel have you? If you looked a bit further you would know that this is not normal behaviour for apes - most don't do it, the exceptions being a small population of Bonobos in west Africa and a couple of other groups. And it may be a fairly recent development as we have never found any evidence for older populations doing this, but then they are apes, they learn. Can you?
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You want me to stop insulting you? Then check your facts first and say sensible things.
I am happy in the knowledge that humans ARE descended from millions of years of meat eaters, as you yourself said, "we only started to eat meat a few million years ago".
We are meat eaters, we have been meat eaters for millions of years, we are supposed to eat meat. Accept it.
Please note I have still not been rude or insulting.
Aint it just the truth
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Now get this SC - our meat input was minimal until at least half a million years ago and didn't really increase until mere tens of thousands of years ago, if that. Now compare that to the previous HUNDREDS and probably THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS of years that we evolved as HERBIVORES, NOT meat eaters.
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Is the light going on yet? I'll spell it out for you again - for the vast majority of our evolution we have been an emphatically herbiverous, NOT carniverous or omniverous line - ie we come from a LONG line of NON meat eaters and we haven't evolved much in the last few tens of thousands of years to accomodate meat eating - we are still the same species in virtually every way.
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Geddit? Somehow I doubt it cos your biases are so deeply ingrained - you have been trying to argue that your personal opinions are facts when they're just your daft ideas. I have told you the real basic facts but if you don't want to know the truth that's up to you, but don't complain when i call you a thicko. G'night.
ShoeburyCyclist
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11:13pm Wed 30 Mar 11
Aint it just the truth wrote:While we have evolved over the last few million years we have been meat eaters.
I don't care whether you think I'm rude or not, you are truly ignorant. We started SCAVENGING the odd bit of meat (often bone marrow, ie left-overs) just a few million years ago because we were so desperate we had to eat anything we could find. The earliest date for this is contentious as there are only a few bits of evidence, so it was probably a rare occurence, but it was probably around two and a half million years ago. Then around half a million years ago our meat intake increased a bit more but only to levels comparable to modern hunter gatherers which actually means a diet with precious little meat, mostly vegetable matter (look it up!). Then ten thousand years ago our meat input sky rocketed as we began keeping livestock.
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Now get this SC - our meat input was minimal until at least half a million years ago and didn't really increase until mere tens of thousands of years ago, if that. Now compare that to the previous HUNDREDS and probably THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS of years that we evolved as HERBIVORES, NOT meat eaters.
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Is the light going on yet? I'll spell it out for you again - for the vast majority of our evolution we have been an emphatically herbiverous, NOT carniverous or omniverous line - ie we come from a LONG line of NON meat eaters and we haven't evolved much in the last few tens of thousands of years to accomodate meat eating - we are still the same species in virtually every way.
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Geddit? Somehow I doubt it cos your biases are so deeply ingrained - you have been trying to argue that your personal opinions are facts when they're just your daft ideas. I have told you the real basic facts but if you don't want to know the truth that's up to you, but don't complain when i call you a thicko. G'night.
Go back as far as you want, the fact is our ancestors and we have been meat eaters for the last few million years.
You can scream and shout and stamp your little feet and call me all the names under the Sun as much as you want, but it won't change that fact.
Aint it just the truth
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Aint it just the truth
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ShoeburyCyclist
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Aint it just the truth
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'V'
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11:35am Thu 31 Mar 11
Aint it just the truth wrote:Could you get any further up your own @rse? What an arrogant, full of yourself w@nker you are! If you're an example of what being a veggie does to you I'm glad I'm not one. If the Railway is full of tossers like you it's got no chance.
Wrong again Shoebury Cyclist, you should be apologising for touting your illogical personal fantasies as factual evidence. On your bike matey..
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12:21pm Thu 31 Mar 11
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12:26pm Thu 31 Mar 11
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1:40pm Thu 31 Mar 11
Aint it just the truth wrote:I smell bu||sh!t. Where did you study, when, who under, what are your qualifications?
Aha 'V'! Another ignorant pillock who can't tell the difference between factual evidence and personal opinion. And who said I was a vegetarian? Certainly not me, my interest in the subject of palaeolithic diets is based on years of study of palaeoanthropology, not personal opinion.
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4:18pm Thu 31 Mar 11
l facts I have mentioned are checkable - just be sure you check them on a proper academic website not one of the 'funny' ones.
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8:30pm Thu 31 Mar 11
I still smell b-b-b-bu||sh!t.
Do yourself a favour rabbit boy, stop spending all day on this website and get a job.
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8:55pm Thu 31 Mar 11
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10:27pm Thu 31 Mar 11
You ran away from the questions about where and how you were educated. Graduates don't do that and are quite happy to state their Uni and professors.
You're a bs artist.
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11:01am Fri 1 Apr 11
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Listing the details of my academic career is both vulgar and pointless because you would only rubbish it although I will admit that most of it was at University of London colleges. But how am I supposed to remember the names of the dozens of people who taught me back in the 70's? (most of whom were not Professors - not all Uni tutors are Professors you know). A lot of water has passed under the bridge since then. I can remember a few names and describe what they look like if that's any use to you?!
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The most important thing about a proper old fashioned degree was that they taught you how to learn on your own, how to find the best sources of information, how to structure research etc. In case you haven't noticed we have made huge strides forward in palaeoanthropology over the last few decades and I have kept up with it, not just read Nature & etc but kept in touch with people I know in the relevant fields. Have I made any false claims about paleolithic diets? If you bothered to check properly you‘d know the answer to that is NO! No bs here matey, just the opposite in fact.
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“Armchair warrior”? Ha ha! I’ve done things that would make your hair curl, and I’m used to communicating with people who have done the same, and you are the one who doesn’t ring true matey - I strongly suspect that you and SC are the only “armchair warriors” on here.
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11:06am Fri 1 Apr 11
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1:37pm Sat 2 Apr 11
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9:45pm Mon 4 Apr 11
That's so sad!
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7:13pm Wed 6 Apr 11
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And no I haven't looked at this since my last post - check the days/times - I left a comment Friday morning then another one Saturday lunchtime before I went down to the yacht club to get my wee boat ready for launching at Easter, and I haven't been back until now. So how many North Sea gales have you sailed though? How many mountains have you climbed? I don't need to bs matey cos I've been there for real, unlike you.
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11:05am Fri 22 Apr 11
Good luck to you Dave, looking forward to sampling your fare, and its long overdue that vegetarians and vegans should have an eaterie that understands and caters for their preferences rather than being made to feel side lined as some kind of a nuisance/inconvenien
cing 'fussy eaters' who are lucky to get one (usually cheese based) dish on the menu whilst having to put up with the sight/smell of dead flesh all around us.
Hoping that you'll be as successful as The George in Brighton, a pub near the station that has been serving a veggie only menu for many many years now, and also well done for taking a step in moving Southend towards a similarly cosmopolitan culture.
In fact I sometimes I wonder why Brighton thrives as a seaside town while Southend continually struggles, I think some of the responses on this thread say it all, it seems we just don't like anything that is new, different, imaginative, innovative or challenging. Time to break the mould!
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4:22pm Fri 25 Mar 11