First Aer Arann scheduled flights from Ireland arrive at Southend Airport

5:20pm Monday 28th March 2011 in News By Mike Miners

Done deal – Aer Aran’s chief executive Paul Schutz is welcomed by Southend Airport’s managing director Alastair Welch yesterday morning Done deal – Aer Aran’s chief executive Paul Schutz is welcomed by Southend Airport’s managing director Alastair Welch yesterday morning

INTERNATIONAL air travel returned to Southend Airport for the first time in ten years yesterday.

Two Aer Arann flights, carrying more than 100 passengers, arrived from Waterford and Galway in Ireland.

The first 90-minute flight touched down at 8.55am.

Paul Schutz, the airline’s chief executive, was one of the first people to test the facilities at the airport.

He said: “We see Southend as a fantastic opportunity for passengers wanting to go to London.

“That’s very important with the Olympics next year and we look forward to offering passengers excellent onward connections to Europe in the future.”

The airline operates more than 600 flights a week.

Flights to and from Galway will operate four days a week at Southend and three days a week on the Waterford route. The airport expects to offer a duty discount service when the new terminal opens later this year.

Alastair Welch, airport managing director, said: “Incoming passengers can enjoy everything Southend has to offer, as well as using the excellent links we have to London.

“Now the airport and Aer Arann can offer the attractions of both Galway and Waterford to local people. The service also offers excellent business links.”

Passengers arriving at Southend yesterday were greeted by a shuttle bus service to nearby Rochford train station and a newly-opened car rental office.

Tadgh Moriarty, 23, a doctor, and Stephen McHugh, 29, an engineer, arrived from Ireland.

Mr Moriarty said: “We actually started out with a weekend in Galway but while there we decided to catch the flight to Southend to see a friend who works in London.

“So we’ll be here for a couple of days and we liked the sound of Southend. It’s much more convenient, personal and now we’re going to check out the train links to London.”

The Turboprop aircraft, made by French Italian manufacturer ATR, was soon ready for the return trip.

Jan Jackson, 59, a former fraud investigator and her husband Alf, 64, a builder, of Ashingdon Road, Rochford, were waiting in the departure lounge.

Jan said: “We are going to Waterford for a day trip and the day is a gift from our son who works at the airport.”

Valerie and Barry Carter, a teaching assistant and engineer, both 54, travelled from Northampton for the flight.

He said: “My wife has family in Ireland and we will be spending two days over there.

“I actually work in Southend, so it was a convenient place to depart from and we’re both looking forward to the flight.”

Comments (74)

5:34pm Mon 28 Mar 11

lemon demon says...

great news but why a shuttle bus to rochford station?? is the airport station open yet?!
great news but why a shuttle bus to rochford station?? is the airport station open yet?! lemon demon

5:42pm Mon 28 Mar 11

margrete says...

Great news. We went there yesterday morning to see the first flight board and take off and the second flight arrive, land, turn round and board again. The little girl dancers in full costume were lovely, especially the little tiny girl, couldn't have been more than 2 or 3 at most! We were behind the perimeter fence. I've been a supporter of this airport all the time I've lived here which is over 20 years now. It has been going down the pan for so many years, it's full time it got going again seriously and prosperously. There have been protests, petitions, you name it, for at least 15 years and all the time the only aircraft that flew with fare-paying passengers were the summer-only Saturday flights to the Channel Islands. And to all those who said they didn't want noisy aircraft flying over their house - well, the Irish aircraft we watched were up and away and you could hardly hear them.
Great news. We went there yesterday morning to see the first flight board and take off and the second flight arrive, land, turn round and board again. The little girl dancers in full costume were lovely, especially the little tiny girl, couldn't have been more than 2 or 3 at most! We were behind the perimeter fence. I've been a supporter of this airport all the time I've lived here which is over 20 years now. It has been going down the pan for so many years, it's full time it got going again seriously and prosperously. There have been protests, petitions, you name it, for at least 15 years and all the time the only aircraft that flew with fare-paying passengers were the summer-only Saturday flights to the Channel Islands. And to all those who said they didn't want noisy aircraft flying over their house - well, the Irish aircraft we watched were up and away and you could hardly hear them. margrete

6:30pm Mon 28 Mar 11

Doolaly says...

The arrival of the 'Fantastic opportunity' was heralded between 12:30 and 13:15 on Saturday when four of these Aircraft thundered over the houses at Leigh elms, on their way to the Airport. Since then, each of the twice daily arrivals have followed suit.
Over the past weeks and months, there have been numerous claims and counter-claims as to the potential impact that these aircraft would have on the residents of Southend.
Until now there has been no concrete evidence to support either opinion.
It now seems that Southend airport were economical with the truth, and omitted to mention the approach path, as these aircraft are certainly Not quiet on approach.
(Maigrete - I find your comments astonishing - try coming to Leigh to witness an approach before you go extolling the virtues of this aircraft)
Now i'm sure that there will be those that accuse me of being a NIMBY, or that I shouldn't have moved near to an airport, but just consider;
1. If your sleep, and peaceful existence was likely to be disrupted then wouldn't you would be concerned too?
2. If your road was widened, and turned into a motorway, would that be your fault for moving near to a roadway?
As to the other claims made by the proponents of this airport - How many of these promises will actually materialise?
The prosperity, and the jobs, etc. - I certainly won't hold my breath, but remain optimistic.
I hope for all of our sakes that we haven't been completely sold out by our Tory council.
The arrival of the 'Fantastic opportunity' was heralded between 12:30 and 13:15 on Saturday when four of these Aircraft thundered over the houses at Leigh elms, on their way to the Airport. Since then, each of the twice daily arrivals have followed suit. Over the past weeks and months, there have been numerous claims and counter-claims as to the potential impact that these aircraft would have on the residents of Southend. Until now there has been no concrete evidence to support either opinion. It now seems that Southend airport were economical with the truth, and omitted to mention the approach path, as these aircraft are certainly Not quiet on approach. (Maigrete - I find your comments astonishing - try coming to Leigh to witness an approach before you go extolling the virtues of this aircraft) Now i'm sure that there will be those that accuse me of being a NIMBY, or that I shouldn't have moved near to an airport, but just consider; 1. If your sleep, and peaceful existence was likely to be disrupted then wouldn't you would be concerned too? 2. If your road was widened, and turned into a motorway, would that be your fault for moving near to a roadway? As to the other claims made by the proponents of this airport - How many of these promises will actually materialise? The prosperity, and the jobs, etc. - I certainly won't hold my breath, but remain optimistic. I hope for all of our sakes that we haven't been completely sold out by our Tory council. Doolaly

6:58pm Mon 28 Mar 11

Max Impact says...

Doolaly wrote:
The arrival of the 'Fantastic opportunity' was heralded between 12:30 and 13:15 on Saturday when four of these Aircraft thundered over the houses at Leigh elms, on their way to the Airport. Since then, each of the twice daily arrivals have followed suit. Over the past weeks and months, there have been numerous claims and counter-claims as to the potential impact that these aircraft would have on the residents of Southend. Until now there has been no concrete evidence to support either opinion. It now seems that Southend airport were economical with the truth, and omitted to mention the approach path, as these aircraft are certainly Not quiet on approach. (Maigrete - I find your comments astonishing - try coming to Leigh to witness an approach before you go extolling the virtues of this aircraft) Now i'm sure that there will be those that accuse me of being a NIMBY, or that I shouldn't have moved near to an airport, but just consider; 1. If your sleep, and peaceful existence was likely to be disrupted then wouldn't you would be concerned too? 2. If your road was widened, and turned into a motorway, would that be your fault for moving near to a roadway? As to the other claims made by the proponents of this airport - How many of these promises will actually materialise? The prosperity, and the jobs, etc. - I certainly won't hold my breath, but remain optimistic. I hope for all of our sakes that we haven't been completely sold out by our Tory council.
Hahahahahahahahahaha
hha what a joke you are.

ANOTHER newbiee signed up and attacking the airport.

Sound recordings I made at Nutsuda Way had the noise of the aircraft on final approach less than a passing Maserati sports car. I live on Mendip Crescent so I am a lot closer to the airport than you are so the aircraft are much lower and I could bearly hear the ATR's arriving and departing.

I bought the house knowing that there is an airport there and that I would be right under the flight path and I knew that there was a chance it could expand. I bought the house because I liked it and knew it would be ideal to the wife and kids.

You go on about your sleep going to be disturbed its going to be a maximum of FOUR flight a night not the dozens you think.

As for making the road outside houses into a motorway just how many houses would they need to knock down to do that!

Do you fly for work or holidays?
[quote][p][bold]Doolaly[/bold] wrote: The arrival of the 'Fantastic opportunity' was heralded between 12:30 and 13:15 on Saturday when four of these Aircraft thundered over the houses at Leigh elms, on their way to the Airport. Since then, each of the twice daily arrivals have followed suit. Over the past weeks and months, there have been numerous claims and counter-claims as to the potential impact that these aircraft would have on the residents of Southend. Until now there has been no concrete evidence to support either opinion. It now seems that Southend airport were economical with the truth, and omitted to mention the approach path, as these aircraft are certainly Not quiet on approach. (Maigrete - I find your comments astonishing - try coming to Leigh to witness an approach before you go extolling the virtues of this aircraft) Now i'm sure that there will be those that accuse me of being a NIMBY, or that I shouldn't have moved near to an airport, but just consider; 1. If your sleep, and peaceful existence was likely to be disrupted then wouldn't you would be concerned too? 2. If your road was widened, and turned into a motorway, would that be your fault for moving near to a roadway? As to the other claims made by the proponents of this airport - How many of these promises will actually materialise? The prosperity, and the jobs, etc. - I certainly won't hold my breath, but remain optimistic. I hope for all of our sakes that we haven't been completely sold out by our Tory council.[/p][/quote]Hahahahahahahahahaha hha what a joke you are. ANOTHER newbiee signed up and attacking the airport. Sound recordings I made at Nutsuda Way had the noise of the aircraft on final approach less than a passing Maserati sports car. I live on Mendip Crescent so I am a lot closer to the airport than you are so the aircraft are much lower and I could bearly hear the ATR's arriving and departing. I bought the house knowing that there is an airport there and that I would be right under the flight path and I knew that there was a chance it could expand. I bought the house because I liked it and knew it would be ideal to the wife and kids. You go on about your sleep going to be disturbed its going to be a maximum of FOUR flight a night not the dozens you think. As for making the road outside houses into a motorway just how many houses would they need to knock down to do that! Do you fly for work or holidays? Max Impact

7:16pm Mon 28 Mar 11

jolllyboy says...

Of course they were economical with the truth. The idea of Welch seeing the noise outside Blenheim when he did it was an absolute joke. Disingenuous I believe is the word.
You aint seen nothing yet either.
Also DEFRA noise mapping is a joke. they do it from info given to them by Southend Airport. enough said. And it makes no allowance for the fact that planes do not carry on straight ahead from the runway they actually turn which makes even more noise as they are also climbing.
For this we have contributed millions from us tax payers.
Of course they were economical with the truth. The idea of Welch seeing the noise outside Blenheim when he did it was an absolute joke. Disingenuous I believe is the word. You aint seen nothing yet either. Also DEFRA noise mapping is a joke. they do it from info given to them by Southend Airport. enough said. And it makes no allowance for the fact that planes do not carry on straight ahead from the runway they actually turn which makes even more noise as they are also climbing. For this we have contributed millions from us tax payers. jolllyboy

7:24pm Mon 28 Mar 11

Doolaly says...

Max impact, There's no need for personal attacks, it's quite unnecessary. I don't think that it's a joke that we are to suffer this extra noise. I will come down to Mendip' to see if what you say is true, but I can only speak from experience.
I am not a newbie - I have made postings before, but there was no point in commenting one-way or another, as until the changes were done. No-one really knew what the impact was to be.
I don't recall saying how many night flights there would be, but surely this is irrelevant, as it only takes a few to completely disrupt ones rest.
And my point regarding motorways was not intended to be taken literally.
There is an old idiom that refers to walking a mile in another mans shoes - Try considering someone else's viewpoint.
Max impact, There's no need for personal attacks, it's quite unnecessary. I don't think that it's a joke that we are to suffer this extra noise. I will come down to Mendip' to see if what you say is true, but I can only speak from experience. I am not a newbie - I have made postings before, but there was no point in commenting one-way or another, as until the changes were done. No-one really knew what the impact was to be. I don't recall saying how many night flights there would be, but surely this is irrelevant, as it only takes a few to completely disrupt ones rest. And my point regarding motorways was not intended to be taken literally. There is an old idiom that refers to walking a mile in another mans shoes - Try considering someone else's viewpoint. Doolaly

7:25pm Mon 28 Mar 11

Jarv79 says...

Fantastic to see the flights starting yesterday and the start of great things to come in the future at the airport. After waking up yesterday with a seriously bad hangover i decided to have a walk down to the Stobart cafe in the terminal, as its only a 5 minute walk from my flat and have a good old English breakfast to make myself feel more human again. I arrived at lunchtime (well after the flights had arrived and gone again) but was surprised just how busy it was there. It was full of familys, couples etc all enjoying the food the Stobart cafe had to offer. I ordered a full breakfast which arrived quickly and pipping hot and tasted just as good. Full breakfast, tea and toast only £4.95. Good value if you ask me. I would certainly encourage anyone to take a visit there some time, Was great.
Fantastic to see the flights starting yesterday and the start of great things to come in the future at the airport. After waking up yesterday with a seriously bad hangover i decided to have a walk down to the Stobart cafe in the terminal, as its only a 5 minute walk from my flat and have a good old English breakfast to make myself feel more human again. I arrived at lunchtime (well after the flights had arrived and gone again) but was surprised just how busy it was there. It was full of familys, couples etc all enjoying the food the Stobart cafe had to offer. I ordered a full breakfast which arrived quickly and pipping hot and tasted just as good. Full breakfast, tea and toast only £4.95. Good value if you ask me. I would certainly encourage anyone to take a visit there some time, Was great. Jarv79

7:31pm Mon 28 Mar 11

APR says...

Very quiet planes for turbo-props.
I watched one go out this morning taking off from 06.
It must have crossed the airport boundary at more than 1000ft.
Very quiet planes for turbo-props. I watched one go out this morning taking off from 06. It must have crossed the airport boundary at more than 1000ft. APR

7:48pm Mon 28 Mar 11

mark @ thorpe bay says...

At long last we will at long last, we will be able to use our local Airport to travel Overseas and not have to travel from
Gatwick,Stanstead or Heathrow.
This is a great plus for Southed on Sea
At long last we will at long last, we will be able to use our local Airport to travel Overseas and not have to travel from Gatwick,Stanstead or Heathrow. This is a great plus for Southed on Sea mark @ thorpe bay

7:52pm Mon 28 Mar 11

Max Impact says...

Odd how NOT one person has moaned about the test flights on Saturday when they done six landings in a short space of time.

bet they do now...

They normally do AFTER finding out about them.
Odd how NOT one person has moaned about the test flights on Saturday when they done six landings in a short space of time. bet they do now... They normally do AFTER finding out about them. Max Impact

7:57pm Mon 28 Mar 11

Doolaly says...

I wasn't aware there were any test flights on a Saturday - Perhaps it was while I was at work. Six in a short space of time you say - do you recall what time / date they were?
I wasn't aware there were any test flights on a Saturday - Perhaps it was while I was at work. Six in a short space of time you say - do you recall what time / date they were? Doolaly

8:14pm Mon 28 Mar 11

carnac says...

I'm afraid to say that these aircraft are gnats, compared to what could be landing at Southend in a couple of years time.
I'm afraid to say that these aircraft are gnats, compared to what could be landing at Southend in a couple of years time. carnac

8:22pm Mon 28 Mar 11

Max Impact says...

Doolaly wrote:
I wasn't aware there were any test flights on a Saturday - Perhaps it was while I was at work. Six in a short space of time you say - do you recall what time / date they were?
Yes I do know the time they were operating but why would you want to know that?

They were within normal operating procedures they were within the day time operations at the airport.

No rules or regulations were broken no noise abatement regulations were breached.

So I ask again why do you want to know the times of the flights?
[quote][p][bold]Doolaly[/bold] wrote: I wasn't aware there were any test flights on a Saturday - Perhaps it was while I was at work. Six in a short space of time you say - do you recall what time / date they were?[/p][/quote]Yes I do know the time they were operating but why would you want to know that? They were within normal operating procedures they were within the day time operations at the airport. No rules or regulations were broken no noise abatement regulations were breached. So I ask again why do you want to know the times of the flights? Max Impact

8:45pm Mon 28 Mar 11

Doolaly says...

Max Impact: Why so defensive - Have you got shares in Stobart?
I did mention that I was aware of some flights on the Saturday morning (actually at 12:25, 12:38, 12:45, 13:02, and at 13:18 on the 26th March) if they were the test flights to which you refer, then I was aware of them.
Otherwise, I may have been at work so would not be able to comment.
Just because no-one has commented via this site, does not actually mean that no-one has complained.
Max Impact: Why so defensive - Have you got shares in Stobart? I did mention that I was aware of some flights on the Saturday morning (actually at 12:25, 12:38, 12:45, 13:02, and at 13:18 on the 26th March) if they were the test flights to which you refer, then I was aware of them. Otherwise, I may have been at work so would not be able to comment. Just because no-one has commented via this site, does not actually mean that no-one has complained. Doolaly

9:14pm Mon 28 Mar 11

ISUPPORTSOUTHENDAIRPORT says...

FANTASTIC, I live near the airport
and these atr and no where as noisy as the cessna's etc that fly about during the day.

thundering past doolaly said, hurricanes, red arrows, tornados thunder past, so are you saying these atr's are that noisy.... i dont belive so.

doolaly, could you be one of denis walkers gang!!

bring on more of these flights, i am sure a majority of folk would agree that flying from " your local airport" is far better than travelling like most people to stansted, heathrow etc, and when you are on the plane and taking off or retruning from vacation would you not sooner drive a few mins down the road rather than 1 or 2 hours journey.
FANTASTIC, I live near the airport and these atr and no where as noisy as the cessna's etc that fly about during the day. thundering past doolaly said, hurricanes, red arrows, tornados thunder past, so are you saying these atr's are that noisy.... i dont belive so. doolaly, could you be one of denis walkers gang!! bring on more of these flights, i am sure a majority of folk would agree that flying from " your local airport" is far better than travelling like most people to stansted, heathrow etc, and when you are on the plane and taking off or retruning from vacation would you not sooner drive a few mins down the road rather than 1 or 2 hours journey. ISUPPORTSOUTHENDAIRPORT

9:14pm Mon 28 Mar 11

ISUPPORTSOUTHENDAIRPORT says...

FANTASTIC, I live near the airport
and these atr and no where as noisy as the cessna's etc that fly about during the day.

thundering past doolaly said, hurricanes, red arrows, tornados thunder past, so are you saying these atr's are that noisy.... i dont belive so.

doolaly, could you be one of denis walkers gang!!

bring on more of these flights, i am sure a majority of folk would agree that flying from " your local airport" is far better than travelling like most people to stansted, heathrow etc, and when you are on the plane and taking off or retruning from vacation would you not sooner drive a few mins down the road rather than 1 or 2 hours journey.
FANTASTIC, I live near the airport and these atr and no where as noisy as the cessna's etc that fly about during the day. thundering past doolaly said, hurricanes, red arrows, tornados thunder past, so are you saying these atr's are that noisy.... i dont belive so. doolaly, could you be one of denis walkers gang!! bring on more of these flights, i am sure a majority of folk would agree that flying from " your local airport" is far better than travelling like most people to stansted, heathrow etc, and when you are on the plane and taking off or retruning from vacation would you not sooner drive a few mins down the road rather than 1 or 2 hours journey. ISUPPORTSOUTHENDAIRPORT

9:24pm Mon 28 Mar 11

Doolaly says...

OK, It seems that the level of noise experienced may well depend on your location, I must say that the light aircraft do not bother me as I guess their rate of decent would make their distance from me so great that they appear to be fairly quiet. But I wouldn't dismiss the fact that at your location they might appear louder than the ATR's
I assume that 'denis walker' is an SAEN representative, If so, then No I'm not one of his 'gang'.
I hope that the airport will bring benefits (If they fly anywhere hot), but The benefits should outweigh the costs, and at the moment (yes I know it's early days) there are few benefits for me.
OK, It seems that the level of noise experienced may well depend on your location, I must say that the light aircraft do not bother me as I guess their rate of decent would make their distance from me so great that they appear to be fairly quiet. But I wouldn't dismiss the fact that at your location they might appear louder than the ATR's I assume that 'denis walker' is an SAEN representative, If so, then No I'm not one of his 'gang'. I hope that the airport will bring benefits (If they fly anywhere hot), but The benefits should outweigh the costs, and at the moment (yes I know it's early days) there are few benefits for me. Doolaly

9:37pm Mon 28 Mar 11

aroma says...

this is great news. southend airport will now be very useful for me for business purposes. Essex just gets better.
this is great news. southend airport will now be very useful for me for business purposes. Essex just gets better. aroma

9:47pm Mon 28 Mar 11

keep on smiling of westcliff says...

Well said Doolaly and as you say why when you have a different point of view does it have to get personal such a shame.
But lets just hope the benefits will outweigh the costs in the end.
Well said Doolaly and as you say why when you have a different point of view does it have to get personal such a shame. But lets just hope the benefits will outweigh the costs in the end. keep on smiling of westcliff

11:01pm Mon 28 Mar 11

Max Impact says...

Doolaly wrote:
Max Impact: Why so defensive - Have you got shares in Stobart? I did mention that I was aware of some flights on the Saturday morning (actually at 12:25, 12:38, 12:45, 13:02, and at 13:18 on the 26th March) if they were the test flights to which you refer, then I was aware of them. Otherwise, I may have been at work so would not be able to comment. Just because no-one has commented via this site, does not actually mean that no-one has complained.
Wish I did have shares in Stobarts, could get rid of my Marconi lot then...!

What... they've gone bust...

FOR SALE 1500 Marconi shares buyer collects.


No complants were recoved about the flights and I'm NOT talking about this site.
[quote][p][bold]Doolaly[/bold] wrote: Max Impact: Why so defensive - Have you got shares in Stobart? I did mention that I was aware of some flights on the Saturday morning (actually at 12:25, 12:38, 12:45, 13:02, and at 13:18 on the 26th March) if they were the test flights to which you refer, then I was aware of them. Otherwise, I may have been at work so would not be able to comment. Just because no-one has commented via this site, does not actually mean that no-one has complained.[/p][/quote]Wish I did have shares in Stobarts, could get rid of my Marconi lot then...! What... they've gone bust... FOR SALE 1500 Marconi shares buyer collects. No complants were recoved about the flights and I'm NOT talking about this site. Max Impact

11:11pm Mon 28 Mar 11

Doolaly says...

Max Impact - Hmm, If you know this for a fact*, then my calls to the airport must've gone unrecorded. Should I put them in writing then? Having spoken to the control tower and the complaints line, I would have hoped that they actually took notice. If they ignored mine, then how many other complaints went unnoticed.
* I guess you work at the airport then - that explains your responses.
Max Impact - Hmm, If you know this for a fact*, then my calls to the airport must've gone unrecorded. Should I put them in writing then? Having spoken to the control tower and the complaints line, I would have hoped that they actually took notice. If they ignored mine, then how many other complaints went unnoticed. * I guess you work at the airport then - that explains your responses. Doolaly

5:21am Tue 29 Mar 11

al coniston says...

Doolaly wrote:
Max Impact - Hmm, If you know this for a fact*, then my calls to the airport must've gone unrecorded. Should I put them in writing then? Having spoken to the control tower and the complaints line, I would have hoped that they actually took notice. If they ignored mine, then how many other complaints went unnoticed.
* I guess you work at the airport then - that explains your responses.
if you live in the Leigh Elms vicinity, as you indicate, then i am sure that the constant rumble of cars and lorries travelling along the A13 would be more noise polluting than the occasional flight heading in or out of the airport . . . what did you expect to achieve by phoning the airport ? did you think they would redirect the flight just to suit you ? If you seriously thought these aircraft were noisy then you should consider seeing a doctor as you seem to be suffering from rather sensitive hearing !
[quote][p][bold]Doolaly[/bold] wrote: Max Impact - Hmm, If you know this for a fact*, then my calls to the airport must've gone unrecorded. Should I put them in writing then? Having spoken to the control tower and the complaints line, I would have hoped that they actually took notice. If they ignored mine, then how many other complaints went unnoticed. * I guess you work at the airport then - that explains your responses.[/p][/quote]if you live in the Leigh Elms vicinity, as you indicate, then i am sure that the constant rumble of cars and lorries travelling along the A13 would be more noise polluting than the occasional flight heading in or out of the airport . . . what did you expect to achieve by phoning the airport ? did you think they would redirect the flight just to suit you ? If you seriously thought these aircraft were noisy then you should consider seeing a doctor as you seem to be suffering from rather sensitive hearing ! al coniston

6:40am Tue 29 Mar 11

tophatdt says...

I guess noise affects people in different ways and from different sources. For me, a car driving by (or stopping outside) with maximum volume bass thumping away from the powerful speakers, and cars/motorbikes with souped-up engines (or big holes in the exhausts) annoy me more than any airliner flying over for 20 seconds. I had to tut a bit when one guy in the forum described the turbo-prop aircraft as "thundering" over Leigh. Well, that is ridiculous to me, but I guess he just hates aeroplanes.
If Southend attracts the same types of aircraft as London-City airport, then I am sure the residents in Leigh will have no cause for complaint (during normal operational hours) because the days of noisy jet aircraft (and some piston types) are long gone from regional airports.
I guess noise affects people in different ways and from different sources. For me, a car driving by (or stopping outside) with maximum volume bass thumping away from the powerful speakers, and cars/motorbikes with souped-up engines (or big holes in the exhausts) annoy me more than any airliner flying over for 20 seconds. I had to tut a bit when one guy in the forum described the turbo-prop aircraft as "thundering" over Leigh. Well, that is ridiculous to me, but I guess he just hates aeroplanes. If Southend attracts the same types of aircraft as London-City airport, then I am sure the residents in Leigh will have no cause for complaint (during normal operational hours) because the days of noisy jet aircraft (and some piston types) are long gone from regional airports. tophatdt

7:43am Tue 29 Mar 11

GentleGiant says...

Simple - if you do not want to hear aircraft, do not live near an airport. Always amazes me when people complain of noise from airports etc. yet...

a) live near one (and were probably born or moved after the airport opened)
b) use airports

The 'I do not want noise from airports, yet I use them to go on holiday' crowd are people who like to live in both camps - you cannot have it both ways!
Simple - if you do not want to hear aircraft, do not live near an airport. Always amazes me when people complain of noise from airports etc. yet... a) live near one (and were probably born or moved after the airport opened) b) use airports The 'I do not want noise from airports, yet I use them to go on holiday' crowd are people who like to live in both camps - you cannot have it both ways! GentleGiant

8:28am Tue 29 Mar 11

lemon demon says...

i love hearing the sounds of planes and smelling aviation fuel in the air :-) the airport is the best thing about southend and i hope more flights start soon!
i love hearing the sounds of planes and smelling aviation fuel in the air :-) the airport is the best thing about southend and i hope more flights start soon! lemon demon

9:05am Tue 29 Mar 11

AspergerKidJoe says...

Another brilliant start to the airport expansion. I hope they serve Cork soon and I hope to become cabin crew based at Southend once the whole expansion is finished and an airline is willing to base one of their aircraft at Southend.
Another brilliant start to the airport expansion. I hope they serve Cork soon and I hope to become cabin crew based at Southend once the whole expansion is finished and an airline is willing to base one of their aircraft at Southend. AspergerKidJoe

10:04am Tue 29 Mar 11

vanilla ice says...

Valerie and Barry Carter, a teaching assistant and engineer, both 54, travelled from Northampton for the flight! They could have used Birmingham or Luton but decide to run the gauntlet of Motorways plus all the local congestion to fly from Southend, it does seem that some people from elsewhere are build of sterner stuff and don’t mind the journey to an airport, unlike our own local moaning winging travellers. Looks like the Council will need to start upgrading the roads, what with all extra traffic bypassing other airports from across the country, just to have the pleasure of flying from Southend. Or it could have been the offer of free candy floss with every ticket.
Valerie and Barry Carter, a teaching assistant and engineer, both 54, travelled from Northampton for the flight! They could have used Birmingham or Luton but decide to run the gauntlet of Motorways plus all the local congestion to fly from Southend, it does seem that some people from elsewhere are build of sterner stuff and don’t mind the journey to an airport, unlike our own local moaning winging travellers. Looks like the Council will need to start upgrading the roads, what with all extra traffic bypassing other airports from across the country, just to have the pleasure of flying from Southend. Or it could have been the offer of free candy floss with every ticket. vanilla ice

10:23am Tue 29 Mar 11

j-w says...

as usual "v" you only manage to read half the article before peddling your anti airport rubbish. you missed the further quote from Barry just after the snippet you quoted

“I actually work in Southend, so it was a convenient place to depart from and we’re both looking forward to the flight.”
as usual "v" you only manage to read half the article before peddling your anti airport rubbish. you missed the further quote from Barry just after the snippet you quoted “I actually work in Southend, so it was a convenient place to depart from and we’re both looking forward to the flight.” j-w

10:25am Tue 29 Mar 11

DannyK86 says...

vanilla ice wrote:
Valerie and Barry Carter, a teaching assistant and engineer, both 54, travelled from Northampton for the flight! They could have used Birmingham or Luton but decide to run the gauntlet of Motorways plus all the local congestion to fly from Southend, it does seem that some people from elsewhere are build of sterner stuff and don’t mind the journey to an airport, unlike our own local moaning winging travellers. Looks like the Council will need to start upgrading the roads, what with all extra traffic bypassing other airports from across the country, just to have the pleasure of flying from Southend. Or it could have been the offer of free candy floss with every ticket.
Did you read the story? The guy works in Southend, so it was presumably handy to jump on a plane after work. I know a lot of the NIMBY brigade seem to think nobody actually works in southend, and that it shou;d just be a retiree haven, but that just isn't the case.
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Or are you off to bury your head in the sand to escape this seemingly imminent invasion of passengers from the South Midlands, based upon ONE couple?!
[quote][p][bold]vanilla ice[/bold] wrote: Valerie and Barry Carter, a teaching assistant and engineer, both 54, travelled from Northampton for the flight! They could have used Birmingham or Luton but decide to run the gauntlet of Motorways plus all the local congestion to fly from Southend, it does seem that some people from elsewhere are build of sterner stuff and don’t mind the journey to an airport, unlike our own local moaning winging travellers. Looks like the Council will need to start upgrading the roads, what with all extra traffic bypassing other airports from across the country, just to have the pleasure of flying from Southend. Or it could have been the offer of free candy floss with every ticket.[/p][/quote]Did you read the story? The guy works in Southend, so it was presumably handy to jump on a plane after work. I know a lot of the NIMBY brigade seem to think nobody actually works in southend, and that it shou;d just be a retiree haven, but that just isn't the case. . Or are you off to bury your head in the sand to escape this seemingly imminent invasion of passengers from the South Midlands, based upon ONE couple?! DannyK86

10:59am Tue 29 Mar 11

Max Impact says...

Doolaly wrote:
Max Impact - Hmm, If you know this for a fact*, then my calls to the airport must've gone unrecorded. Should I put them in writing then? Having spoken to the control tower and the complaints line, I would have hoped that they actually took notice. If they ignored mine, then how many other complaints went unnoticed. * I guess you work at the airport then - that explains your responses.
Nope don't work at the airport if I did it would save the drive from Southend to Surry everyday.
[quote][p][bold]Doolaly[/bold] wrote: Max Impact - Hmm, If you know this for a fact*, then my calls to the airport must've gone unrecorded. Should I put them in writing then? Having spoken to the control tower and the complaints line, I would have hoped that they actually took notice. If they ignored mine, then how many other complaints went unnoticed. * I guess you work at the airport then - that explains your responses.[/p][/quote]Nope don't work at the airport if I did it would save the drive from Southend to Surry everyday. Max Impact

11:11am Tue 29 Mar 11

The Cowboy says...

lemon demon wrote:
great news but why a shuttle bus to rochford station?? is the airport station open yet?!
Personally I don't understand why they bothered building a new train station. Rochford is no more than a mile away from the airport so surely a new bus lane along the airport perimeter fence straight to the terminal would have been far cheaper? By the looks of it, you'll still need to get a shuttle from the station to the terminal when the airport station opens anyway!
[quote][p][bold]lemon demon[/bold] wrote: great news but why a shuttle bus to rochford station?? is the airport station open yet?![/p][/quote]Personally I don't understand why they bothered building a new train station. Rochford is no more than a mile away from the airport so surely a new bus lane along the airport perimeter fence straight to the terminal would have been far cheaper? By the looks of it, you'll still need to get a shuttle from the station to the terminal when the airport station opens anyway! The Cowboy

11:45am Tue 29 Mar 11

margrete says...

We didn't hear any of the planes 'thundering', either Saturday, Sunday or Monday, They were up and gone. Just heard them, but they make a lot less noise and are a lot less intrusive than the 'buzzy' little club planes. For the record, we live close to the 'Anne Boleyn' pub.
We didn't hear any of the planes 'thundering', either Saturday, Sunday or Monday, They were up and gone. Just heard them, but they make a lot less noise and are a lot less intrusive than the 'buzzy' little club planes. For the record, we live close to the 'Anne Boleyn' pub. margrete

12:06pm Tue 29 Mar 11

BASILBRUSH says...

The Cowboy wrote:
lemon demon wrote:
great news but why a shuttle bus to rochford station?? is the airport station open yet?!
Personally I don't understand why they bothered building a new train station. Rochford is no more than a mile away from the airport so surely a new bus lane along the airport perimeter fence straight to the terminal would have been far cheaper? By the looks of it, you'll still need to get a shuttle from the station to the terminal when the airport station opens anyway!
Once the station and new terminal have opened it will be a 50m walk. Makes perfect sense to me.
[quote][p][bold]The Cowboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lemon demon[/bold] wrote: great news but why a shuttle bus to rochford station?? is the airport station open yet?![/p][/quote]Personally I don't understand why they bothered building a new train station. Rochford is no more than a mile away from the airport so surely a new bus lane along the airport perimeter fence straight to the terminal would have been far cheaper? By the looks of it, you'll still need to get a shuttle from the station to the terminal when the airport station opens anyway![/p][/quote]Once the station and new terminal have opened it will be a 50m walk. Makes perfect sense to me. BASILBRUSH

12:20pm Tue 29 Mar 11

The Cowboy says...

BASILBRUSH wrote:
The Cowboy wrote:
lemon demon wrote: great news but why a shuttle bus to rochford station?? is the airport station open yet?!
Personally I don't understand why they bothered building a new train station. Rochford is no more than a mile away from the airport so surely a new bus lane along the airport perimeter fence straight to the terminal would have been far cheaper? By the looks of it, you'll still need to get a shuttle from the station to the terminal when the airport station opens anyway!
Once the station and new terminal have opened it will be a 50m walk. Makes perfect sense to me.
£12m that train station cost. A dedicated bus lane from Rochford station straight to the terminal would have been a fraction of that. Makes no sense to me. And clearly it wasn't a problem for these Aer Arran passengers!
[quote][p][bold]BASILBRUSH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Cowboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lemon demon[/bold] wrote: great news but why a shuttle bus to rochford station?? is the airport station open yet?![/p][/quote]Personally I don't understand why they bothered building a new train station. Rochford is no more than a mile away from the airport so surely a new bus lane along the airport perimeter fence straight to the terminal would have been far cheaper? By the looks of it, you'll still need to get a shuttle from the station to the terminal when the airport station opens anyway![/p][/quote]Once the station and new terminal have opened it will be a 50m walk. Makes perfect sense to me.[/p][/quote]£12m that train station cost. A dedicated bus lane from Rochford station straight to the terminal would have been a fraction of that. Makes no sense to me. And clearly it wasn't a problem for these Aer Arran passengers! The Cowboy

12:37pm Tue 29 Mar 11

BASILBRUSH says...

And where would this dedicated bus lane actually go?
And where would this dedicated bus lane actually go? BASILBRUSH

12:56pm Tue 29 Mar 11

DCLEIGH says...

I Had a look at the cost of the service from Southend.
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Amazingly cheap - I can't remember exactly the cost - around £10 return.
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BUT the taxes took the price over £140 return for 2...still that would be attractive if I ever wanted to go to Ireland...which I won't
I Had a look at the cost of the service from Southend. . Amazingly cheap - I can't remember exactly the cost - around £10 return. . BUT the taxes took the price over £140 return for 2...still that would be attractive if I ever wanted to go to Ireland...which I won't DCLEIGH

12:59pm Tue 29 Mar 11

BASILBRUSH says...

The Cowboy, I'm not saying a shuttle bus is a stupid idea, but I would challenge that a dedicated bus lane would cost a fraction of the cost of the station.
Also I would question where it would run?
Business and pleasure passengers are far more attracted to an Airport with onsite station (once terminal and station opened) than one with a shuttle service.
Two small buses may work temporarily for the 2 flights at the moment, but it wouldn't be practical for 2m passengers per year.
I realise not all will use the station, but 1/2m is not unrealistic (by 2020).
The Cowboy, I'm not saying a shuttle bus is a stupid idea, but I would challenge that a dedicated bus lane would cost a fraction of the cost of the station. Also I would question where it would run? Business and pleasure passengers are far more attracted to an Airport with onsite station (once terminal and station opened) than one with a shuttle service. Two small buses may work temporarily for the 2 flights at the moment, but it wouldn't be practical for 2m passengers per year. I realise not all will use the station, but 1/2m is not unrealistic (by 2020). BASILBRUSH

1:01pm Tue 29 Mar 11

BASILBRUSH says...

The Cowboy, I'm not saying a shuttle bus is a stupid idea, but I would challenge that a dedicated bus lane would cost a fraction of the cost of the station.
Also I would question where it would run?
Business and pleasure passengers are far more attracted to an Airport with onsite station (once terminal and station opened) than one with a shuttle service.
Two small buses may work temporarily for the 2 flights at the moment, but it wouldn't be practical for 2m passengers per year.
I realise not all will use the station, but 1/2m is not unrealistic (by 2020).
The Cowboy, I'm not saying a shuttle bus is a stupid idea, but I would challenge that a dedicated bus lane would cost a fraction of the cost of the station. Also I would question where it would run? Business and pleasure passengers are far more attracted to an Airport with onsite station (once terminal and station opened) than one with a shuttle service. Two small buses may work temporarily for the 2 flights at the moment, but it wouldn't be practical for 2m passengers per year. I realise not all will use the station, but 1/2m is not unrealistic (by 2020). BASILBRUSH

1:06pm Tue 29 Mar 11

DannyK86 says...

DCLEIGH wrote:
I Had a look at the cost of the service from Southend. . Amazingly cheap - I can't remember exactly the cost - around £10 return. . BUT the taxes took the price over £140 return for 2...still that would be attractive if I ever wanted to go to Ireland...which I won't
The area around Galway is beautiful - well worth the trip!
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Bearing in mind that Denis Walker, the 'mastermind' behind SAEN, believes nobody should fly or drive and says if he were to go Ireland he'd take the train and ferry (a process that would take several days and cost far more), £140 for 2 isn't too bad!
[quote][p][bold]DCLEIGH[/bold] wrote: I Had a look at the cost of the service from Southend. . Amazingly cheap - I can't remember exactly the cost - around £10 return. . BUT the taxes took the price over £140 return for 2...still that would be attractive if I ever wanted to go to Ireland...which I won't[/p][/quote]The area around Galway is beautiful - well worth the trip! . Bearing in mind that Denis Walker, the 'mastermind' behind SAEN, believes nobody should fly or drive and says if he were to go Ireland he'd take the train and ferry (a process that would take several days and cost far more), £140 for 2 isn't too bad! DannyK86

1:21pm Tue 29 Mar 11

The Cowboy says...

BASILBRUSH wrote:
The Cowboy, I'm not saying a shuttle bus is a stupid idea, but I would challenge that a dedicated bus lane would cost a fraction of the cost of the station. Also I would question where it would run? Business and pleasure passengers are far more attracted to an Airport with onsite station (once terminal and station opened) than one with a shuttle service. Two small buses may work temporarily for the 2 flights at the moment, but it wouldn't be practical for 2m passengers per year. I realise not all will use the station, but 1/2m is not unrealistic (by 2020).
Looking at aerial maps, a road could easily run adjacent to the trainline along the perimeter fence. Itd take about 5 mins max from station to terminal, with a couple of bendy buses ready and waiting for air passengers.

Even using the existing roads from Rochford hardly seems too taxing.

Some of the biggest airports in the world have a longer transfer from plane back to terminal (Dubai for example), so I'd hardly see it a major inconvenience.

Anyway, a moot point now the station is due to open in a few months. Just seem a bit of a waste of money to me.
[quote][p][bold]BASILBRUSH[/bold] wrote: The Cowboy, I'm not saying a shuttle bus is a stupid idea, but I would challenge that a dedicated bus lane would cost a fraction of the cost of the station. Also I would question where it would run? Business and pleasure passengers are far more attracted to an Airport with onsite station (once terminal and station opened) than one with a shuttle service. Two small buses may work temporarily for the 2 flights at the moment, but it wouldn't be practical for 2m passengers per year. I realise not all will use the station, but 1/2m is not unrealistic (by 2020).[/p][/quote]Looking at aerial maps, a road could easily run adjacent to the trainline along the perimeter fence. Itd take about 5 mins max from station to terminal, with a couple of bendy buses ready and waiting for air passengers. Even using the existing roads from Rochford hardly seems too taxing. Some of the biggest airports in the world have a longer transfer from plane back to terminal (Dubai for example), so I'd hardly see it a major inconvenience. Anyway, a moot point now the station is due to open in a few months. Just seem a bit of a waste of money to me. The Cowboy

1:32pm Tue 29 Mar 11

BASILBRUSH says...

The Cowboy wrote:
BASILBRUSH wrote:
The Cowboy, I'm not saying a shuttle bus is a stupid idea, but I would challenge that a dedicated bus lane would cost a fraction of the cost of the station. Also I would question where it would run? Business and pleasure passengers are far more attracted to an Airport with onsite station (once terminal and station opened) than one with a shuttle service. Two small buses may work temporarily for the 2 flights at the moment, but it wouldn't be practical for 2m passengers per year. I realise not all will use the station, but 1/2m is not unrealistic (by 2020).
Looking at aerial maps, a road could easily run adjacent to the trainline along the perimeter fence. Itd take about 5 mins max from station to terminal, with a couple of bendy buses ready and waiting for air passengers.

Even using the existing roads from Rochford hardly seems too taxing.

Some of the biggest airports in the world have a longer transfer from plane back to terminal (Dubai for example), so I'd hardly see it a major inconvenience.

Anyway, a moot point now the station is due to open in a few months. Just seem a bit of a waste of money to me.
The trouble is, that area has Green belt issues, and the current road to Rochford is a nightmare.
I think the point was to make Southend more personal and convenient than large Airports.
But yes it is a moot point now. Hopefully the station will be open in weeks, not months.
[quote][p][bold]The Cowboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BASILBRUSH[/bold] wrote: The Cowboy, I'm not saying a shuttle bus is a stupid idea, but I would challenge that a dedicated bus lane would cost a fraction of the cost of the station. Also I would question where it would run? Business and pleasure passengers are far more attracted to an Airport with onsite station (once terminal and station opened) than one with a shuttle service. Two small buses may work temporarily for the 2 flights at the moment, but it wouldn't be practical for 2m passengers per year. I realise not all will use the station, but 1/2m is not unrealistic (by 2020).[/p][/quote]Looking at aerial maps, a road could easily run adjacent to the trainline along the perimeter fence. Itd take about 5 mins max from station to terminal, with a couple of bendy buses ready and waiting for air passengers. Even using the existing roads from Rochford hardly seems too taxing. Some of the biggest airports in the world have a longer transfer from plane back to terminal (Dubai for example), so I'd hardly see it a major inconvenience. Anyway, a moot point now the station is due to open in a few months. Just seem a bit of a waste of money to me.[/p][/quote]The trouble is, that area has Green belt issues, and the current road to Rochford is a nightmare. I think the point was to make Southend more personal and convenient than large Airports. But yes it is a moot point now. Hopefully the station will be open in weeks, not months. BASILBRUSH

1:35pm Tue 29 Mar 11

Ageing Commuter says...

This is fantastic news. Now the Pykies from Dale Farm won't have to 'travel' so far to get a flight back to where they came from in the first place. Perhaps Basildon Council should have built them a dedicated lane on the 127 so they can get there a lot quicker. Stobart can use their Ponies to keep the grass down either side of the Runway and or use the Ponies and the Carts to load people's luggage.
This is fantastic news. Now the Pykies from Dale Farm won't have to 'travel' so far to get a flight back to where they came from in the first place. Perhaps Basildon Council should have built them a dedicated lane on the 127 so they can get there a lot quicker. Stobart can use their Ponies to keep the grass down either side of the Runway and or use the Ponies and the Carts to load people's luggage. Ageing Commuter

1:42pm Tue 29 Mar 11

j-w says...

The only flaws I can see in your plan cowboy.
The threshold of 24, the embankment along the railway (which takes up most of the space between boundary and railway), a couple of ponds, golf course land and the tennis courts, I reckon the land alone would cost a million or so, then you have to build the road (2005 cost £12m per mile of dual carriageway, southend would only need single so only £6m at 5 year old prices). Saen will object unless only horse and carts are used so more money spent getting through court cases.
Apart from that probably a good idea.
The only flaws I can see in your plan cowboy. The threshold of 24, the embankment along the railway (which takes up most of the space between boundary and railway), a couple of ponds, golf course land and the tennis courts, I reckon the land alone would cost a million or so, then you have to build the road (2005 cost £12m per mile of dual carriageway, southend would only need single so only £6m at 5 year old prices). Saen will object unless only horse and carts are used so more money spent getting through court cases. Apart from that probably a good idea. j-w

1:57pm Tue 29 Mar 11

The Cowboy says...

j-w wrote:
The only flaws I can see in your plan cowboy. The threshold of 24, the embankment along the railway (which takes up most of the space between boundary and railway), a couple of ponds, golf course land and the tennis courts, I reckon the land alone would cost a million or so, then you have to build the road (2005 cost £12m per mile of dual carriageway, southend would only need single so only £6m at 5 year old prices). Saen will object unless only horse and carts are used so more money spent getting through court cases. Apart from that probably a good idea.
There goes my career in town planning :-(
[quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: The only flaws I can see in your plan cowboy. The threshold of 24, the embankment along the railway (which takes up most of the space between boundary and railway), a couple of ponds, golf course land and the tennis courts, I reckon the land alone would cost a million or so, then you have to build the road (2005 cost £12m per mile of dual carriageway, southend would only need single so only £6m at 5 year old prices). Saen will object unless only horse and carts are used so more money spent getting through court cases. Apart from that probably a good idea.[/p][/quote]There goes my career in town planning :-( The Cowboy

8:16pm Tue 29 Mar 11

jayman says...

simple.. sell off the airport land per square meter for development. SBC nets tens if not hundreds of millions that could go into public services and to pay off SBC massive debt... No wait.. SBC sold 150 year lease for £1 to the Stobart company whilst also ring-fencing capital generated from the sale of publicly owned land for the direct benefit of the airport and a few jobs... I wonder how many industrial units the land could have supported and how many hundreds of jobs would have been generated if the land had been sold for industrial use?.
simple.. sell off the airport land per square meter for development. SBC nets tens if not hundreds of millions that could go into public services and to pay off SBC massive debt... No wait.. SBC sold 150 year lease for £1 to the Stobart company whilst also ring-fencing capital generated from the sale of publicly owned land for the direct benefit of the airport and a few jobs... I wonder how many industrial units the land could have supported and how many hundreds of jobs would have been generated if the land had been sold for industrial use?. jayman

8:34pm Tue 29 Mar 11

Jarv79 says...

jayman wrote:
simple.. sell off the airport land per square meter for development. SBC nets tens if not hundreds of millions that could go into public services and to pay off SBC massive debt... No wait.. SBC sold 150 year lease for £1 to the Stobart company whilst also ring-fencing capital generated from the sale of publicly owned land for the direct benefit of the airport and a few jobs... I wonder how many industrial units the land could have supported and how many hundreds of jobs would have been generated if the land had been sold for industrial use?.
Oh what a great idea that would be Jayman. Maybe you have not been on a drive around Southend lately and seen the endless amount of empty industrial units. If we can't occupy the current industrial units that are available, then what hope would there be of filling the new ones at your new fantasy land?
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: simple.. sell off the airport land per square meter for development. SBC nets tens if not hundreds of millions that could go into public services and to pay off SBC massive debt... No wait.. SBC sold 150 year lease for £1 to the Stobart company whilst also ring-fencing capital generated from the sale of publicly owned land for the direct benefit of the airport and a few jobs... I wonder how many industrial units the land could have supported and how many hundreds of jobs would have been generated if the land had been sold for industrial use?.[/p][/quote]Oh what a great idea that would be Jayman. Maybe you have not been on a drive around Southend lately and seen the endless amount of empty industrial units. If we can't occupy the current industrial units that are available, then what hope would there be of filling the new ones at your new fantasy land? Jarv79

8:36pm Tue 29 Mar 11

Jarv79 says...

Plus by selling off the land and closing the airport down you would put 1300 people out of work. What a sensible idea.
Plus by selling off the land and closing the airport down you would put 1300 people out of work. What a sensible idea. Jarv79

8:46pm Tue 29 Mar 11

Max Impact says...

jayman wrote:
simple.. sell off the airport land per square meter for development. SBC nets tens if not hundreds of millions that could go into public services and to pay off SBC massive debt... No wait.. SBC sold 150 year lease for £1 to the Stobart company whilst also ring-fencing capital generated from the sale of publicly owned land for the direct benefit of the airport and a few jobs... I wonder how many industrial units the land could have supported and how many hundreds of jobs would have been generated if the land had been sold for industrial use?.
Thought April 1st was Friday...

Just to pont out a fact that you might have missed the airport is in green belt so the chance of building a massive industrial estate are more or less ZERO!

secrity word more-jets! now thats spooky
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: simple.. sell off the airport land per square meter for development. SBC nets tens if not hundreds of millions that could go into public services and to pay off SBC massive debt... No wait.. SBC sold 150 year lease for £1 to the Stobart company whilst also ring-fencing capital generated from the sale of publicly owned land for the direct benefit of the airport and a few jobs... I wonder how many industrial units the land could have supported and how many hundreds of jobs would have been generated if the land had been sold for industrial use?.[/p][/quote]Thought April 1st was Friday... Just to pont out a fact that you might have missed the airport is in green belt so the chance of building a massive industrial estate are more or less ZERO! secrity word more-jets! now thats spooky Max Impact

9:07pm Tue 29 Mar 11

jayman says...

once again you fail to grasp the main context of my point..

security word is join look

i wish some of you would join me in looking at this mess.
once again you fail to grasp the main context of my point.. security word is join look i wish some of you would join me in looking at this mess. jayman

9:29pm Tue 29 Mar 11

Jarv79 says...

Can anyone clarify that the second Judicial Review is by Peter Elliot who lives up North and no doubt has nothing against Southend Airport, but has a personal vendetor against Stobarts, hence the real reason for him trying to stop their expansion plans at the airport? If this is true then it hardly seems a strong case for a successful judicial review from a man who does not even live in the area and has been in prison in the past for his actions against Stobarts does it. If anyone could tell me if this is true i would appreciate it as i noticed it on the facebook group " Say Yes To Expansion Plans For Southend Airport" which i would like to add has 1227 members, compared to SAEN facebook group that only has 186 members (Some of which are pro airport supporters but like to comment on the utter nonsense SAEN tell on there)
Can anyone clarify that the second Judicial Review is by Peter Elliot who lives up North and no doubt has nothing against Southend Airport, but has a personal vendetor against Stobarts, hence the real reason for him trying to stop their expansion plans at the airport? If this is true then it hardly seems a strong case for a successful judicial review from a man who does not even live in the area and has been in prison in the past for his actions against Stobarts does it. If anyone could tell me if this is true i would appreciate it as i noticed it on the facebook group " Say Yes To Expansion Plans For Southend Airport" which i would like to add has 1227 members, compared to SAEN facebook group that only has 186 members (Some of which are pro airport supporters but like to comment on the utter nonsense SAEN tell on there) Jarv79

9:48pm Tue 29 Mar 11

ethel the frog says...

Ageing Commuter wrote:
This is fantastic news. Now the Pykies from Dale Farm won't have to 'travel' so far to get a flight back to where they came from in the first place. Perhaps Basildon Council should have built them a dedicated lane on the 127 so they can get there a lot quicker. Stobart can use their Ponies to keep the grass down either side of the Runway and or use the Ponies and the Carts to load people's luggage.
Love it!
[quote][p][bold]Ageing Commuter[/bold] wrote: This is fantastic news. Now the Pykies from Dale Farm won't have to 'travel' so far to get a flight back to where they came from in the first place. Perhaps Basildon Council should have built them a dedicated lane on the 127 so they can get there a lot quicker. Stobart can use their Ponies to keep the grass down either side of the Runway and or use the Ponies and the Carts to load people's luggage.[/p][/quote]Love it! ethel the frog

10:09pm Tue 29 Mar 11

jayman says...

Max Impact wrote:
jayman wrote:
simple.. sell off the airport land per square meter for development. SBC nets tens if not hundreds of millions that could go into public services and to pay off SBC massive debt... No wait.. SBC sold 150 year lease for £1 to the Stobart company whilst also ring-fencing capital generated from the sale of publicly owned land for the direct benefit of the airport and a few jobs... I wonder how many industrial units the land could have supported and how many hundreds of jobs would have been generated if the land had been sold for industrial use?.
Thought April 1st was Friday...

Just to pont out a fact that you might have missed the airport is in green belt so the chance of building a massive industrial estate are more or less ZERO!

secrity word more-jets! now thats spooky
how in the hell can the land the airport be on (green belt) an airport is in the same category as heavy industrial with c.o.s.h.h class 1!! pillock..
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: simple.. sell off the airport land per square meter for development. SBC nets tens if not hundreds of millions that could go into public services and to pay off SBC massive debt... No wait.. SBC sold 150 year lease for £1 to the Stobart company whilst also ring-fencing capital generated from the sale of publicly owned land for the direct benefit of the airport and a few jobs... I wonder how many industrial units the land could have supported and how many hundreds of jobs would have been generated if the land had been sold for industrial use?.[/p][/quote]Thought April 1st was Friday... Just to pont out a fact that you might have missed the airport is in green belt so the chance of building a massive industrial estate are more or less ZERO! secrity word more-jets! now thats spooky[/p][/quote]how in the hell can the land the airport be on (green belt) an airport is in the same category as heavy industrial with c.o.s.h.h class 1!! pillock.. jayman

11:18pm Tue 29 Mar 11

Max Impact says...

jayman wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
jayman wrote: simple.. sell off the airport land per square meter for development. SBC nets tens if not hundreds of millions that could go into public services and to pay off SBC massive debt... No wait.. SBC sold 150 year lease for £1 to the Stobart company whilst also ring-fencing capital generated from the sale of publicly owned land for the direct benefit of the airport and a few jobs... I wonder how many industrial units the land could have supported and how many hundreds of jobs would have been generated if the land had been sold for industrial use?.
Thought April 1st was Friday... Just to pont out a fact that you might have missed the airport is in green belt so the chance of building a massive industrial estate are more or less ZERO! secrity word more-jets! now thats spooky
how in the hell can the land the airport be on (green belt) an airport is in the same category as heavy industrial with c.o.s.h.h class 1!! pillock..
Pillock...

Well I think you had better look at this...

http://www.southenda
irport.com/PDFs/Leaf
let8.pdf (page 4 title Green Belt)

What were you saying about the airport NOT being within the green belt...
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: simple.. sell off the airport land per square meter for development. SBC nets tens if not hundreds of millions that could go into public services and to pay off SBC massive debt... No wait.. SBC sold 150 year lease for £1 to the Stobart company whilst also ring-fencing capital generated from the sale of publicly owned land for the direct benefit of the airport and a few jobs... I wonder how many industrial units the land could have supported and how many hundreds of jobs would have been generated if the land had been sold for industrial use?.[/p][/quote]Thought April 1st was Friday... Just to pont out a fact that you might have missed the airport is in green belt so the chance of building a massive industrial estate are more or less ZERO! secrity word more-jets! now thats spooky[/p][/quote]how in the hell can the land the airport be on (green belt) an airport is in the same category as heavy industrial with c.o.s.h.h class 1!! pillock..[/p][/quote]Pillock... Well I think you had better look at this... http://www.southenda irport.com/PDFs/Leaf let8.pdf (page 4 title Green Belt) What were you saying about the airport NOT being within the green belt... Max Impact

12:15am Wed 30 Mar 11

jayman says...

the accusation of pillock still stands. with skills like that you really could work for the council. the vast majority of land is within development criteria and well outside the small slither of green belt around the runway (actual runway tarmac not included)

green belt by virtue is green. the only thing that can go on green belt is semi permanent or removable structures with appropriate permissions this doesn't include a airport tower/departure lounge lol.
the accusation of pillock still stands. with skills like that you really could work for the council. the vast majority of land is within development criteria and well outside the small slither of green belt around the runway (actual runway tarmac not included) green belt by virtue is green. the only thing that can go on green belt is semi permanent or removable structures with appropriate permissions this doesn't include a airport tower/departure lounge lol. jayman

2:33pm Wed 30 Mar 11

Max Impact says...

jayman wrote:
the accusation of pillock still stands. with skills like that you really could work for the council. the vast majority of land is within development criteria and well outside the small slither of green belt around the runway (actual runway tarmac not included) green belt by virtue is green. the only thing that can go on green belt is semi permanent or removable structures with appropriate permissions this doesn't include a airport tower/departure lounge lol.
Why would I give up a secure job to work as a council pen pusher...

Half the airport site is registed as green belt not just a slither, the land the proposed extention to the runway will be is actually listed as agricultural land.

The airport covers roughly 125ha so roughly 62ha are green belt.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: the accusation of pillock still stands. with skills like that you really could work for the council. the vast majority of land is within development criteria and well outside the small slither of green belt around the runway (actual runway tarmac not included) green belt by virtue is green. the only thing that can go on green belt is semi permanent or removable structures with appropriate permissions this doesn't include a airport tower/departure lounge lol.[/p][/quote]Why would I give up a secure job to work as a council pen pusher... Half the airport site is registed as green belt not just a slither, the land the proposed extention to the runway will be is actually listed as agricultural land. The airport covers roughly 125ha so roughly 62ha are green belt. Max Impact

3:46pm Wed 30 Mar 11

jayman says...

Max Impact wrote:
jayman wrote:
the accusation of pillock still stands. with skills like that you really could work for the council. the vast majority of land is within development criteria and well outside the small slither of green belt around the runway (actual runway tarmac not included) green belt by virtue is green. the only thing that can go on green belt is semi permanent or removable structures with appropriate permissions this doesn't include a airport tower/departure lounge lol.
Why would I give up a secure job to work as a council pen pusher...

Half the airport site is registed as green belt not just a slither, the land the proposed extention to the runway will be is actually listed as agricultural land.

The airport covers roughly 125ha so roughly 62ha are green belt.
not much agriculture going on if the airport extension passes the mine field of reviews and inquiries. so i think using a pre-tenth for the extension land is a bit presumptuous. It will take a brave farmer to tend to the crops planted on that patch.. so in straight speaking non BS terms. its an airport, not a field. i have also been trawling through the SBC spending spreadsheet for 2010. lots of large payments from the council to London Southend airport co. bit more research required I think. LoL
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: the accusation of pillock still stands. with skills like that you really could work for the council. the vast majority of land is within development criteria and well outside the small slither of green belt around the runway (actual runway tarmac not included) green belt by virtue is green. the only thing that can go on green belt is semi permanent or removable structures with appropriate permissions this doesn't include a airport tower/departure lounge lol.[/p][/quote]Why would I give up a secure job to work as a council pen pusher... Half the airport site is registed as green belt not just a slither, the land the proposed extention to the runway will be is actually listed as agricultural land. The airport covers roughly 125ha so roughly 62ha are green belt.[/p][/quote]not much agriculture going on if the airport extension passes the mine field of reviews and inquiries. so i think using a pre-tenth for the extension land is a bit presumptuous. It will take a brave farmer to tend to the crops planted on that patch.. so in straight speaking non BS terms. its an airport, not a field. i have also been trawling through the SBC spending spreadsheet for 2010. lots of large payments from the council to London Southend airport co. bit more research required I think. LoL jayman

1:34pm Thu 31 Mar 11

r6keith says...

carnac wrote:
I'm afraid to say that these aircraft are gnats, compared to what could be landing at Southend in a couple of years time.
Whats coming will be a little larger but no nosier, so what is your problem?
[quote][p][bold]carnac[/bold] wrote: I'm afraid to say that these aircraft are gnats, compared to what could be landing at Southend in a couple of years time.[/p][/quote]Whats coming will be a little larger but no nosier, so what is your problem? r6keith

1:58pm Thu 31 Mar 11

r6keith says...

The Cowboy wrote:
BASILBRUSH wrote:
The Cowboy wrote:
lemon demon wrote: great news but why a shuttle bus to rochford station?? is the airport station open yet?!
Personally I don't understand why they bothered building a new train station. Rochford is no more than a mile away from the airport so surely a new bus lane along the airport perimeter fence straight to the terminal would have been far cheaper? By the looks of it, you'll still need to get a shuttle from the station to the terminal when the airport station opens anyway!
Once the station and new terminal have opened it will be a 50m walk. Makes perfect sense to me.
£12m that train station cost. A dedicated bus lane from Rochford station straight to the terminal would have been a fraction of that. Makes no sense to me. And clearly it wasn't a problem for these Aer Arran passengers!
I think the sense comes from selling an airport to a customer , if you can tell them that within a few minutes of landing and disembarking at the new terminal (due to open in August) they can be on the station waiting for the train to take them to London, that is a massive selling point. The advantage of a small regional airport is the speed of baggage reclaim and everything about it. Having flown from Southend and back during the last week I speak from experience, from landing at the airport to my house including reclaiming a bag it was less than 15 minutes ! I have flown into Gatwick a few times and have waited over an hour for my bags this on top of an walk from the plane that seemed about the length of the runway.Then you need to get home after that.Southend airport is going in the right direction for all that fly locally. I didnt have to worry about if I was going to get to the airport on time I knew how long it would take ! No turning up two hours before the flight to check in ! Once checked in its a few minutes to the departure lounge unlike the bigger airports that take ages because of the volume of passengers going through security.
Good luck Southend Airport.
[quote][p][bold]The Cowboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BASILBRUSH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Cowboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lemon demon[/bold] wrote: great news but why a shuttle bus to rochford station?? is the airport station open yet?![/p][/quote]Personally I don't understand why they bothered building a new train station. Rochford is no more than a mile away from the airport so surely a new bus lane along the airport perimeter fence straight to the terminal would have been far cheaper? By the looks of it, you'll still need to get a shuttle from the station to the terminal when the airport station opens anyway![/p][/quote]Once the station and new terminal have opened it will be a 50m walk. Makes perfect sense to me.[/p][/quote]£12m that train station cost. A dedicated bus lane from Rochford station straight to the terminal would have been a fraction of that. Makes no sense to me. And clearly it wasn't a problem for these Aer Arran passengers![/p][/quote]I think the sense comes from selling an airport to a customer , if you can tell them that within a few minutes of landing and disembarking at the new terminal (due to open in August) they can be on the station waiting for the train to take them to London, that is a massive selling point. The advantage of a small regional airport is the speed of baggage reclaim and everything about it. Having flown from Southend and back during the last week I speak from experience, from landing at the airport to my house including reclaiming a bag it was less than 15 minutes ! I have flown into Gatwick a few times and have waited over an hour for my bags this on top of an walk from the plane that seemed about the length of the runway.Then you need to get home after that.Southend airport is going in the right direction for all that fly locally. I didnt have to worry about if I was going to get to the airport on time I knew how long it would take ! No turning up two hours before the flight to check in ! Once checked in its a few minutes to the departure lounge unlike the bigger airports that take ages because of the volume of passengers going through security. Good luck Southend Airport. r6keith

4:23pm Thu 31 Mar 11

Jarv79 says...

r6keith wrote:
The Cowboy wrote:
BASILBRUSH wrote:
The Cowboy wrote:
lemon demon wrote: great news but why a shuttle bus to rochford station?? is the airport station open yet?!
Personally I don't understand why they bothered building a new train station. Rochford is no more than a mile away from the airport so surely a new bus lane along the airport perimeter fence straight to the terminal would have been far cheaper? By the looks of it, you'll still need to get a shuttle from the station to the terminal when the airport station opens anyway!
Once the station and new terminal have opened it will be a 50m walk. Makes perfect sense to me.
£12m that train station cost. A dedicated bus lane from Rochford station straight to the terminal would have been a fraction of that. Makes no sense to me. And clearly it wasn't a problem for these Aer Arran passengers!
I think the sense comes from selling an airport to a customer , if you can tell them that within a few minutes of landing and disembarking at the new terminal (due to open in August) they can be on the station waiting for the train to take them to London, that is a massive selling point. The advantage of a small regional airport is the speed of baggage reclaim and everything about it. Having flown from Southend and back during the last week I speak from experience, from landing at the airport to my house including reclaiming a bag it was less than 15 minutes ! I have flown into Gatwick a few times and have waited over an hour for my bags this on top of an walk from the plane that seemed about the length of the runway.Then you need to get home after that.Southend airport is going in the right direction for all that fly locally. I didnt have to worry about if I was going to get to the airport on time I knew how long it would take ! No turning up two hours before the flight to check in ! Once checked in its a few minutes to the departure lounge unlike the bigger airports that take ages because of the volume of passengers going through security. Good luck Southend Airport.
Well said r6keith. With other London airports at virtually full capacity, the need for expansion at Southend Airport has never been more important. This will help take some load away from Stansted, Gatwick etc. The government itself even said that London airports are over stretched now, but would still not allow a second runway at Stansted. So therefore Expanding London Southend airport would surely seem an obvious choice for them, as they still see the need for future aviation growth, but at the same time keeping controls on the environmental impacts. Can't wait to fly from London Southend Airport. As you say Keith it certainly beats having to spend 2-3 hours getting home after you land.
[quote][p][bold]r6keith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Cowboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BASILBRUSH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Cowboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lemon demon[/bold] wrote: great news but why a shuttle bus to rochford station?? is the airport station open yet?![/p][/quote]Personally I don't understand why they bothered building a new train station. Rochford is no more than a mile away from the airport so surely a new bus lane along the airport perimeter fence straight to the terminal would have been far cheaper? By the looks of it, you'll still need to get a shuttle from the station to the terminal when the airport station opens anyway![/p][/quote]Once the station and new terminal have opened it will be a 50m walk. Makes perfect sense to me.[/p][/quote]£12m that train station cost. A dedicated bus lane from Rochford station straight to the terminal would have been a fraction of that. Makes no sense to me. And clearly it wasn't a problem for these Aer Arran passengers![/p][/quote]I think the sense comes from selling an airport to a customer , if you can tell them that within a few minutes of landing and disembarking at the new terminal (due to open in August) they can be on the station waiting for the train to take them to London, that is a massive selling point. The advantage of a small regional airport is the speed of baggage reclaim and everything about it. Having flown from Southend and back during the last week I speak from experience, from landing at the airport to my house including reclaiming a bag it was less than 15 minutes ! I have flown into Gatwick a few times and have waited over an hour for my bags this on top of an walk from the plane that seemed about the length of the runway.Then you need to get home after that.Southend airport is going in the right direction for all that fly locally. I didnt have to worry about if I was going to get to the airport on time I knew how long it would take ! No turning up two hours before the flight to check in ! Once checked in its a few minutes to the departure lounge unlike the bigger airports that take ages because of the volume of passengers going through security. Good luck Southend Airport.[/p][/quote]Well said r6keith. With other London airports at virtually full capacity, the need for expansion at Southend Airport has never been more important. This will help take some load away from Stansted, Gatwick etc. The government itself even said that London airports are over stretched now, but would still not allow a second runway at Stansted. So therefore Expanding London Southend airport would surely seem an obvious choice for them, as they still see the need for future aviation growth, but at the same time keeping controls on the environmental impacts. Can't wait to fly from London Southend Airport. As you say Keith it certainly beats having to spend 2-3 hours getting home after you land. Jarv79

5:11pm Thu 31 Mar 11

AspergerKidJoe says...

r6keith wrote:
carnac wrote: I'm afraid to say that these aircraft are gnats, compared to what could be landing at Southend in a couple of years time.
Whats coming will be a little larger but no nosier, so what is your problem?
The airport only plans to have aircraft of Airbus A319/320 and Boeing 737 size. They have no plans whatsoever to have 757s, 767s, A330s and A340s etc... landing and taking off from Southend, whether passenger or freight. So actually those A319s, A320s and 737s are actually gnats, compared to those larger aircraft mentioned.
[quote][p][bold]r6keith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnac[/bold] wrote: I'm afraid to say that these aircraft are gnats, compared to what could be landing at Southend in a couple of years time.[/p][/quote]Whats coming will be a little larger but no nosier, so what is your problem?[/p][/quote]The airport only plans to have aircraft of Airbus A319/320 and Boeing 737 size. They have no plans whatsoever to have 757s, 767s, A330s and A340s etc... landing and taking off from Southend, whether passenger or freight. So actually those A319s, A320s and 737s are actually gnats, compared to those larger aircraft mentioned. AspergerKidJoe

5:16pm Thu 31 Mar 11

AspergerKidJoe says...

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=EHWYEhutz
Gs&feature=related

Found a video of the first flight from Southend to Galway. The ATR 72 is surprisingly quiet!
http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=EHWYEhutz Gs&feature=related Found a video of the first flight from Southend to Galway. The ATR 72 is surprisingly quiet! AspergerKidJoe

6:59pm Thu 31 Mar 11

BASILBRUSH says...

AspergerKidJoe wrote:
r6keith wrote:
carnac wrote: I'm afraid to say that these aircraft are gnats, compared to what could be landing at Southend in a couple of years time.
Whats coming will be a little larger but no nosier, so what is your problem?
The airport only plans to have aircraft of Airbus A319/320 and Boeing 737 size. They have no plans whatsoever to have 757s, 767s, A330s and A340s etc... landing and taking off from Southend, whether passenger or freight. So actually those A319s, A320s and 737s are actually gnats, compared to those larger aircraft mentioned.
True, but Boeing 757's will continue to position in for maintenance as they have done for years.
[quote][p][bold]AspergerKidJoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]r6keith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnac[/bold] wrote: I'm afraid to say that these aircraft are gnats, compared to what could be landing at Southend in a couple of years time.[/p][/quote]Whats coming will be a little larger but no nosier, so what is your problem?[/p][/quote]The airport only plans to have aircraft of Airbus A319/320 and Boeing 737 size. They have no plans whatsoever to have 757s, 767s, A330s and A340s etc... landing and taking off from Southend, whether passenger or freight. So actually those A319s, A320s and 737s are actually gnats, compared to those larger aircraft mentioned.[/p][/quote]True, but Boeing 757's will continue to position in for maintenance as they have done for years. BASILBRUSH

8:33pm Thu 31 Mar 11

openspace says...

I would be very interested in the results of any truly independent noise survey carried out on approach and take-off flight paths. I suspect, in fact am certain,that these would show aircraft noise of shortdurationand far less obtrusive than traffic noise in roads near the flightpath. With the current rapid ascent made by modern aircraft, they are at a very considerable height before reaching populated areas. Not true of descents, but there is a very much reduced level of noise on approach since the engines are almost idling. As has been said MANY times, the airport was as busy in the 60's as it is likely to become now, the difference being that planes were far, far noisier then. Anyone buying a property on flightpaths during the last 40-50- years, a majority of current occupiers, I suspect, took a great chance as the risks could easily have been forseen. I choose to live on a fairly busy road and the traffic noise can be far higher and more frequent than any noise from planes at the airport. BUT that was my choice and I have to live with it, a shame that others cannot do the same.
I would be very interested in the results of any truly independent noise survey carried out on approach and take-off flight paths. I suspect, in fact am certain,that these would show aircraft noise of shortdurationand far less obtrusive than traffic noise in roads near the flightpath. With the current rapid ascent made by modern aircraft, they are at a very considerable height before reaching populated areas. Not true of descents, but there is a very much reduced level of noise on approach since the engines are almost idling. As has been said MANY times, the airport was as busy in the 60's as it is likely to become now, the difference being that planes were far, far noisier then. Anyone buying a property on flightpaths during the last 40-50- years, a majority of current occupiers, I suspect, took a great chance as the risks could easily have been forseen. I choose to live on a fairly busy road and the traffic noise can be far higher and more frequent than any noise from planes at the airport. BUT that was my choice and I have to live with it, a shame that others cannot do the same. openspace

4:10pm Fri 1 Apr 11

AspergerKidJoe says...

Let's just get this airport expanded so that we can get on with our lives and get used to more flights during the day. I do apologise for being sarcastic, but I'm just using an open mind. Support our local airport, support the expansion. I do hope other airlines come in and fly from here. Shame Easyjet are unlikely to and I'm not sure if Ryanair are planning to fly from here. Maybe we should also have a holiday airline like Thomson or Thomas Cook base at least one or two of their aircraft at Southend to places like Majorca, Ibiza, Menorca, Faro, Alicante, Malaga, Tenerife, Lanzarote, Gran Canaria, Fuerteventura, Dalaman, Bodrum, Antalya, Rhodes and Sharm el Shiek.
Let's just get this airport expanded so that we can get on with our lives and get used to more flights during the day. I do apologise for being sarcastic, but I'm just using an open mind. Support our local airport, support the expansion. I do hope other airlines come in and fly from here. Shame Easyjet are unlikely to and I'm not sure if Ryanair are planning to fly from here. Maybe we should also have a holiday airline like Thomson or Thomas Cook base at least one or two of their aircraft at Southend to places like Majorca, Ibiza, Menorca, Faro, Alicante, Malaga, Tenerife, Lanzarote, Gran Canaria, Fuerteventura, Dalaman, Bodrum, Antalya, Rhodes and Sharm el Shiek. AspergerKidJoe

5:14pm Fri 1 Apr 11

Jarv79 says...

Why do you say Easyjet are unlikely to come come here?
I have heard that Easyjet is one of the airlines who might well be coming here. Apparently Easyjet bosses have been seen at the airport in recent months.
I agree with you though lets just get on with the expansion and start enjoying flights to some great destinations from our local airport.
Why do you say Easyjet are unlikely to come come here? I have heard that Easyjet is one of the airlines who might well be coming here. Apparently Easyjet bosses have been seen at the airport in recent months. I agree with you though lets just get on with the expansion and start enjoying flights to some great destinations from our local airport. Jarv79

5:29pm Fri 1 Apr 11

AspergerKidJoe says...

Jarv79 wrote:
Why do you say Easyjet are unlikely to come come here? I have heard that Easyjet is one of the airlines who might well be coming here. Apparently Easyjet bosses have been seen at the airport in recent months. I agree with you though lets just get on with the expansion and start enjoying flights to some great destinations from our local airport.
It was on a previous Echo report about hearing that Easyjet will unlikely use Southend after someone from Get Satisfaction requested a Southend to Berlin flight and Easyjet is already based at Luton, Gatwick and Stansted. Unless the people of Easyjet have now changed their mind on serving Southend. I hope they base at least one or two aircraft at SOuthend.
[quote][p][bold]Jarv79[/bold] wrote: Why do you say Easyjet are unlikely to come come here? I have heard that Easyjet is one of the airlines who might well be coming here. Apparently Easyjet bosses have been seen at the airport in recent months. I agree with you though lets just get on with the expansion and start enjoying flights to some great destinations from our local airport.[/p][/quote]It was on a previous Echo report about hearing that Easyjet will unlikely use Southend after someone from Get Satisfaction requested a Southend to Berlin flight and Easyjet is already based at Luton, Gatwick and Stansted. Unless the people of Easyjet have now changed their mind on serving Southend. I hope they base at least one or two aircraft at SOuthend. AspergerKidJoe

5:36pm Fri 1 Apr 11

Jarv79 says...

AspergerKidJoe wrote:
Jarv79 wrote: Why do you say Easyjet are unlikely to come come here? I have heard that Easyjet is one of the airlines who might well be coming here. Apparently Easyjet bosses have been seen at the airport in recent months. I agree with you though lets just get on with the expansion and start enjoying flights to some great destinations from our local airport.
It was on a previous Echo report about hearing that Easyjet will unlikely use Southend after someone from Get Satisfaction requested a Southend to Berlin flight and Easyjet is already based at Luton, Gatwick and Stansted. Unless the people of Easyjet have now changed their mind on serving Southend. I hope they base at least one or two aircraft at SOuthend.
Oh right, how long ago did you read that? Maybe things have changed now since that story. As you say it would be good if they base a couple of aircraft here.
[quote][p][bold]AspergerKidJoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jarv79[/bold] wrote: Why do you say Easyjet are unlikely to come come here? I have heard that Easyjet is one of the airlines who might well be coming here. Apparently Easyjet bosses have been seen at the airport in recent months. I agree with you though lets just get on with the expansion and start enjoying flights to some great destinations from our local airport.[/p][/quote]It was on a previous Echo report about hearing that Easyjet will unlikely use Southend after someone from Get Satisfaction requested a Southend to Berlin flight and Easyjet is already based at Luton, Gatwick and Stansted. Unless the people of Easyjet have now changed their mind on serving Southend. I hope they base at least one or two aircraft at SOuthend.[/p][/quote]Oh right, how long ago did you read that? Maybe things have changed now since that story. As you say it would be good if they base a couple of aircraft here. Jarv79

6:08pm Fri 1 Apr 11

AspergerKidJoe says...

Jarv79 wrote:
AspergerKidJoe wrote:
Jarv79 wrote: Why do you say Easyjet are unlikely to come come here? I have heard that Easyjet is one of the airlines who might well be coming here. Apparently Easyjet bosses have been seen at the airport in recent months. I agree with you though lets just get on with the expansion and start enjoying flights to some great destinations from our local airport.
It was on a previous Echo report about hearing that Easyjet will unlikely use Southend after someone from Get Satisfaction requested a Southend to Berlin flight and Easyjet is already based at Luton, Gatwick and Stansted. Unless the people of Easyjet have now changed their mind on serving Southend. I hope they base at least one or two aircraft at SOuthend.
Oh right, how long ago did you read that? Maybe things have changed now since that story. As you say it would be good if they base a couple of aircraft here.
http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/8368919.
EasyJet____unlikely_
___to_fly_into_South
end/

I have the link here. :-)
[quote][p][bold]Jarv79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AspergerKidJoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jarv79[/bold] wrote: Why do you say Easyjet are unlikely to come come here? I have heard that Easyjet is one of the airlines who might well be coming here. Apparently Easyjet bosses have been seen at the airport in recent months. I agree with you though lets just get on with the expansion and start enjoying flights to some great destinations from our local airport.[/p][/quote]It was on a previous Echo report about hearing that Easyjet will unlikely use Southend after someone from Get Satisfaction requested a Southend to Berlin flight and Easyjet is already based at Luton, Gatwick and Stansted. Unless the people of Easyjet have now changed their mind on serving Southend. I hope they base at least one or two aircraft at SOuthend.[/p][/quote]Oh right, how long ago did you read that? Maybe things have changed now since that story. As you say it would be good if they base a couple of aircraft here.[/p][/quote]http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/8368919. EasyJet____unlikely_ ___to_fly_into_South end/ I have the link here. :-) AspergerKidJoe

8:15pm Fri 1 Apr 11

Jarv79 says...

Thanks for the link. Seems like it was just an Easyjet employee shouting his mouth off. Like i said i have been told that Easyjet bosses have been seen at the airport recently, so fingers crossed. Think there is definately every chance they will fly from here. Especially with the excellent rail links to London in place now.
Thanks for the link. Seems like it was just an Easyjet employee shouting his mouth off. Like i said i have been told that Easyjet bosses have been seen at the airport recently, so fingers crossed. Think there is definately every chance they will fly from here. Especially with the excellent rail links to London in place now. Jarv79

9:24pm Fri 1 Apr 11

AspergerKidJoe says...

Jarv79 wrote:
Thanks for the link. Seems like it was just an Easyjet employee shouting his mouth off. Like i said i have been told that Easyjet bosses have been seen at the airport recently, so fingers crossed. Think there is definately every chance they will fly from here. Especially with the excellent rail links to London in place now.
Agreed, the most easily accessible London Airport in Britain and if Easyjet does plan to open a base in Southend, I'm definately going to apply for cabin crew for them at Southend. Always been my dream job to work as cabin crew, but I'd have to relocate to Stansted Mountfichet, Bishops Stortford, Chelmsford etc... in order to become Easyjet cabin crew as I no plans to drive.
[quote][p][bold]Jarv79[/bold] wrote: Thanks for the link. Seems like it was just an Easyjet employee shouting his mouth off. Like i said i have been told that Easyjet bosses have been seen at the airport recently, so fingers crossed. Think there is definately every chance they will fly from here. Especially with the excellent rail links to London in place now.[/p][/quote]Agreed, the most easily accessible London Airport in Britain and if Easyjet does plan to open a base in Southend, I'm definately going to apply for cabin crew for them at Southend. Always been my dream job to work as cabin crew, but I'd have to relocate to Stansted Mountfichet, Bishops Stortford, Chelmsford etc... in order to become Easyjet cabin crew as I no plans to drive. AspergerKidJoe

2:34pm Sat 2 Apr 11

Jarv79 says...

Well fingers crossed you will have that oppotunity. Another example of SAEN contradicting themselves for you. They say that they very much doubt Southend airport will ever reach 2 million passengers a year as it has not got the right catchment area, yet on the other hand they say Southend is one of the most densley populated areas outside London. Work that one out guys lol. Denis Walker also commented that Southampton airport does not have houses so close to the airport like Southend, but if you go onto You Tube and type in Very hard 737 landing at Southampton Airport and watch the video, then unless i am seeing things that plane seems to be flying over a lot of houses as it comes in to land. The worlds busiest airport Heathrow, again surrounded by housing estates.
Well fingers crossed you will have that oppotunity. Another example of SAEN contradicting themselves for you. They say that they very much doubt Southend airport will ever reach 2 million passengers a year as it has not got the right catchment area, yet on the other hand they say Southend is one of the most densley populated areas outside London. Work that one out guys lol. Denis Walker also commented that Southampton airport does not have houses so close to the airport like Southend, but if you go onto You Tube and type in Very hard 737 landing at Southampton Airport and watch the video, then unless i am seeing things that plane seems to be flying over a lot of houses as it comes in to land. The worlds busiest airport Heathrow, again surrounded by housing estates. Jarv79

4:22pm Sat 2 Apr 11

openspace says...

Jarv79 wrote:
Well fingers crossed you will have that oppotunity. Another example of SAEN contradicting themselves for you. They say that they very much doubt Southend airport will ever reach 2 million passengers a year as it has not got the right catchment area, yet on the other hand they say Southend is one of the most densley populated areas outside London. Work that one out guys lol. Denis Walker also commented that Southampton airport does not have houses so close to the airport like Southend, but if you go onto You Tube and type in Very hard 737 landing at Southampton Airport and watch the video, then unless i am seeing things that plane seems to be flying over a lot of houses as it comes in to land. The worlds busiest airport Heathrow, again surrounded by housing estates.
Interesting to read your comments, with which I totally agree. This prompted me to look at the satellite view of Southampton Airport and , surprise, surprise, you are right. Large housing estate about 800m from the end of the runway. Distance from our airport to housing estates in the Leigh areas, ( where most of the vocal, if limited protest comes from ), pretty similar. As usual, Denis is bending and distorting facts to suit his personal and somewhat strange agenda. Check the SAEN website with the picture of takeoff/landing times at Southampton, supposed to prove how busy we could be, 12 flights per hour quoted, I believe. Slight problem with the maths, not only was the busiest time of the day selected, 11am-12pm, but they state that there would be flights every five minutes, based on their figures of 12 flights during this time., meaning a flight every 5 minutes.

The problem with their maths------ planes landing and taking off do so with the prevailing wind, and land and take over opposite ends of the runway so no household would actually hear 12 flights per hour, average over the day would be about 6, probably less since some hours are fairly quiet.
However, Denis , as a seasoned serial protester, has never been one to let the truth get in the way of the publicity that he unfortunately he receives for his strongly put but distorted minority views.
[quote][p][bold]Jarv79[/bold] wrote: Well fingers crossed you will have that oppotunity. Another example of SAEN contradicting themselves for you. They say that they very much doubt Southend airport will ever reach 2 million passengers a year as it has not got the right catchment area, yet on the other hand they say Southend is one of the most densley populated areas outside London. Work that one out guys lol. Denis Walker also commented that Southampton airport does not have houses so close to the airport like Southend, but if you go onto You Tube and type in Very hard 737 landing at Southampton Airport and watch the video, then unless i am seeing things that plane seems to be flying over a lot of houses as it comes in to land. The worlds busiest airport Heathrow, again surrounded by housing estates.[/p][/quote]Interesting to read your comments, with which I totally agree. This prompted me to look at the satellite view of Southampton Airport and , surprise, surprise, you are right. Large housing estate about 800m from the end of the runway. Distance from our airport to housing estates in the Leigh areas, ( where most of the vocal, if limited protest comes from ), pretty similar. As usual, Denis is bending and distorting facts to suit his personal and somewhat strange agenda. Check the SAEN website with the picture of takeoff/landing times at Southampton, supposed to prove how busy we could be, 12 flights per hour quoted, I believe. Slight problem with the maths, not only was the busiest time of the day selected, 11am-12pm, but they state that there would be flights every five minutes, based on their figures of 12 flights during this time., meaning a flight every 5 minutes. The problem with their maths------ planes landing and taking off do so with the prevailing wind, and land and take over opposite ends of the runway so no household would actually hear 12 flights per hour, average over the day would be about 6, probably less since some hours are fairly quiet. However, Denis , as a seasoned serial protester, has never been one to let the truth get in the way of the publicity that he unfortunately he receives for his strongly put but distorted minority views. openspace

4:28pm Sat 2 Apr 11

AspergerKidJoe says...

AspergerKidJoe wrote:
Jarv79 wrote: Thanks for the link. Seems like it was just an Easyjet employee shouting his mouth off. Like i said i have been told that Easyjet bosses have been seen at the airport recently, so fingers crossed. Think there is definately every chance they will fly from here. Especially with the excellent rail links to London in place now.
Agreed, the most easily accessible London Airport in Britain and if Easyjet does plan to open a base in Southend, I'm definately going to apply for cabin crew for them at Southend. Always been my dream job to work as cabin crew, but I'd have to relocate to Stansted Mountfichet, Bishops Stortford, Chelmsford etc... in order to become Easyjet cabin crew as I no plans to drive.
Sorry, I mean I'd have to relocate to these places if I was based at Stansted.
[quote][p][bold]AspergerKidJoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jarv79[/bold] wrote: Thanks for the link. Seems like it was just an Easyjet employee shouting his mouth off. Like i said i have been told that Easyjet bosses have been seen at the airport recently, so fingers crossed. Think there is definately every chance they will fly from here. Especially with the excellent rail links to London in place now.[/p][/quote]Agreed, the most easily accessible London Airport in Britain and if Easyjet does plan to open a base in Southend, I'm definately going to apply for cabin crew for them at Southend. Always been my dream job to work as cabin crew, but I'd have to relocate to Stansted Mountfichet, Bishops Stortford, Chelmsford etc... in order to become Easyjet cabin crew as I no plans to drive.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I mean I'd have to relocate to these places if I was based at Stansted. AspergerKidJoe

7:21pm Sat 2 Apr 11

Jarv79 says...

openspace wrote:
Jarv79 wrote: Well fingers crossed you will have that oppotunity. Another example of SAEN contradicting themselves for you. They say that they very much doubt Southend airport will ever reach 2 million passengers a year as it has not got the right catchment area, yet on the other hand they say Southend is one of the most densley populated areas outside London. Work that one out guys lol. Denis Walker also commented that Southampton airport does not have houses so close to the airport like Southend, but if you go onto You Tube and type in Very hard 737 landing at Southampton Airport and watch the video, then unless i am seeing things that plane seems to be flying over a lot of houses as it comes in to land. The worlds busiest airport Heathrow, again surrounded by housing estates.
Interesting to read your comments, with which I totally agree. This prompted me to look at the satellite view of Southampton Airport and , surprise, surprise, you are right. Large housing estate about 800m from the end of the runway. Distance from our airport to housing estates in the Leigh areas, ( where most of the vocal, if limited protest comes from ), pretty similar. As usual, Denis is bending and distorting facts to suit his personal and somewhat strange agenda. Check the SAEN website with the picture of takeoff/landing times at Southampton, supposed to prove how busy we could be, 12 flights per hour quoted, I believe. Slight problem with the maths, not only was the busiest time of the day selected, 11am-12pm, but they state that there would be flights every five minutes, based on their figures of 12 flights during this time., meaning a flight every 5 minutes. The problem with their maths------ planes landing and taking off do so with the prevailing wind, and land and take over opposite ends of the runway so no household would actually hear 12 flights per hour, average over the day would be about 6, probably less since some hours are fairly quiet. However, Denis , as a seasoned serial protester, has never been one to let the truth get in the way of the publicity that he unfortunately he receives for his strongly put but distorted minority views.
I guess this just further backs up that Denis Walker and SAEN continue to lie time and time again to try and win supporters and say and do anything to stop the expansion. I did love the interview on the SAEN website with Kitti Theobald on BBC Essex trying to say there is a difference between Expansion and Extension lol. And they wonder why people say SAEN have lost all credibility now. They sure do a great job to help back them claims up lol.
[quote][p][bold]openspace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jarv79[/bold] wrote: Well fingers crossed you will have that oppotunity. Another example of SAEN contradicting themselves for you. They say that they very much doubt Southend airport will ever reach 2 million passengers a year as it has not got the right catchment area, yet on the other hand they say Southend is one of the most densley populated areas outside London. Work that one out guys lol. Denis Walker also commented that Southampton airport does not have houses so close to the airport like Southend, but if you go onto You Tube and type in Very hard 737 landing at Southampton Airport and watch the video, then unless i am seeing things that plane seems to be flying over a lot of houses as it comes in to land. The worlds busiest airport Heathrow, again surrounded by housing estates.[/p][/quote]Interesting to read your comments, with which I totally agree. This prompted me to look at the satellite view of Southampton Airport and , surprise, surprise, you are right. Large housing estate about 800m from the end of the runway. Distance from our airport to housing estates in the Leigh areas, ( where most of the vocal, if limited protest comes from ), pretty similar. As usual, Denis is bending and distorting facts to suit his personal and somewhat strange agenda. Check the SAEN website with the picture of takeoff/landing times at Southampton, supposed to prove how busy we could be, 12 flights per hour quoted, I believe. Slight problem with the maths, not only was the busiest time of the day selected, 11am-12pm, but they state that there would be flights every five minutes, based on their figures of 12 flights during this time., meaning a flight every 5 minutes. The problem with their maths------ planes landing and taking off do so with the prevailing wind, and land and take over opposite ends of the runway so no household would actually hear 12 flights per hour, average over the day would be about 6, probably less since some hours are fairly quiet. However, Denis , as a seasoned serial protester, has never been one to let the truth get in the way of the publicity that he unfortunately he receives for his strongly put but distorted minority views.[/p][/quote]I guess this just further backs up that Denis Walker and SAEN continue to lie time and time again to try and win supporters and say and do anything to stop the expansion. I did love the interview on the SAEN website with Kitti Theobald on BBC Essex trying to say there is a difference between Expansion and Extension lol. And they wonder why people say SAEN have lost all credibility now. They sure do a great job to help back them claims up lol. Jarv79

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