Please don’t feed the island’s foxes (From Echo)

"People forget they are dirty vermin which urinate and mess everywhere."

They must fit right in on Canvey, then...

please, nobody mention feeding them anti freeze :)

I sense the fox pro/con debate gathering steam. The trouble is if you don't feed them they just rip your dustbin to peices. I rather like the one who turns up in my garden but I don't feed him

This thread should be good for about 50 posts :)
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Any bets ?

Another flood would solve the fox problem.

APR wrote:
This thread should be good for about 50 posts :) . Any bets ?

APR: I think you are right! My bet would be 60 plus if the Echo don't pull the comments like they did with the Sutton Rd m/bike crash! Why do they do that?

Another fox story? Really Echo? Perhaps you need to find a new bandwagon.
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Later on today there'll be a story about a motorbike accident, a problem involviing cyclists, a new housing development and some car clampers.
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Meanwhile this story is going to lead to the same comments from the same people making the same arguments as the other fox related story published last week - they are vermin / they aren't vermin etc... Why is this paper interested in prolonging arguments? It is not like they are going to get new angles from the same comments week in, week out!
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Echo - Change the record!

PJR wrote:
Another fox story? Really Echo? Perhaps you need to find a new bandwagon.
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Later on today there'll be a story about a motorbike accident, a problem involviing cyclists, a new housing development and some car clampers.
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Meanwhile this story is going to lead to the same comments from the same people making the same arguments as the other fox related story published last week - they are vermin / they aren't vermin etc... Why is this paper interested in prolonging arguments? It is not like they are going to get new angles from the same comments week in, week out!
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Echo - Change the record!

The Echo is a local newspaper and as such it publishes stories of local interest. Foxes, cyclists, housing and car clampers etc., may not be of interest to every individual but they do provide information.
There is no compulsion on anyone to read or comment on news items. If they are not of interest to you then don't bother with them at all.

Foxes use our garden regularly. They dig holes all over my lawn, they urinate all over the place (yet to find fox poo but can smell it), dig up my flower beds, rifle through my bins etc, etc... In fact, they are a right pain in the arrrse.
We often see 3 or 4 cubs frolicking on our lawn when it is sunny. I keep suggesting to the wife we cull the fox cubs each year but she will not let me buy a gun :o(
Ho Hum.
:o)

maddriver wrote:

PJR wrote: Another fox story? Really Echo? Perhaps you need to find a new bandwagon. ... Later on today there'll be a story about a motorbike accident, a problem involviing cyclists, a new housing development and some car clampers. ... Meanwhile this story is going to lead to the same comments from the same people making the same arguments as the other fox related story published last week - they are vermin / they aren't vermin etc... Why is this paper interested in prolonging arguments? It is not like they are going to get new angles from the same comments week in, week out! ... Echo - Change the record!

The Echo is a local newspaper and as such it publishes stories of local interest. Foxes, cyclists, housing and car clampers etc., may not be of interest to every individual but they do provide information. There is no compulsion on anyone to read or comment on news items. If they are not of interest to you then don't bother with them at all.

The stories are of interest to the newspaper, not the readership. Hove you noticed how there will be a period of, say, a month between a set of stories, and then suddenly we are deluged with them?

Perhaps have a cull of some of the low-life at the same time ?

PJR wrote:

maddriver wrote:

PJR wrote: Another fox story? Really Echo? Perhaps you need to find a new bandwagon. ... Later on today there'll be a story about a motorbike accident, a problem involviing cyclists, a new housing development and some car clampers. ... Meanwhile this story is going to lead to the same comments from the same people making the same arguments as the other fox related story published last week - they are vermin / they aren't vermin etc... Why is this paper interested in prolonging arguments? It is not like they are going to get new angles from the same comments week in, week out! ... Echo - Change the record!

The Echo is a local newspaper and as such it publishes stories of local interest. Foxes, cyclists, housing and car clampers etc., may not be of interest to every individual but they do provide information. There is no compulsion on anyone to read or comment on news items. If they are not of interest to you then don't bother with them at all.

The stories are of interest to the newspaper, not the readership. Hove you noticed how there will be a period of, say, a month between a set of stories, and then suddenly we are deluged with them?

I appreciate the stories about foxes et al are repetitive but they are of real concern to those involved.
The real concern for residents is those who are irresponsible enough to feed foxes.
All daily newspapers have to fill space and with the limited area covered locally any trivia becomes a news item. No-one is forced to read them, much less comment on them.
A look through any daily newspaper will reveal a lot of non stories dressed up to look more interesting than they really are.

We get foxes and badgers in our garden. They aren't really a big problem.
If people don't leave their rubbish bags out, or feed them, they will eventually go somewhere else.

maddriver wrote:

PJR wrote:

maddriver wrote:

PJR wrote: Another fox story? Really Echo? Perhaps you need to find a new bandwagon. ... Later on today there'll be a story about a motorbike accident, a problem involviing cyclists, a new housing development and some car clampers. ... Meanwhile this story is going to lead to the same comments from the same people making the same arguments as the other fox related story published last week - they are vermin / they aren't vermin etc... Why is this paper interested in prolonging arguments? It is not like they are going to get new angles from the same comments week in, week out! ... Echo - Change the record!

The Echo is a local newspaper and as such it publishes stories of local interest. Foxes, cyclists, housing and car clampers etc., may not be of interest to every individual but they do provide information. There is no compulsion on anyone to read or comment on news items. If they are not of interest to you then don't bother with them at all.

The stories are of interest to the newspaper, not the readership. Hove you noticed how there will be a period of, say, a month between a set of stories, and then suddenly we are deluged with them?

I appreciate the stories about foxes et al are repetitive but they are of real concern to those involved. The real concern for residents is those who are irresponsible enough to feed foxes. All daily newspapers have to fill space and with the limited area covered locally any trivia becomes a news item. No-one is forced to read them, much less comment on them. A look through any daily newspaper will reveal a lot of non stories dressed up to look more interesting than they really are.

I understand how stories are dressed up in the dailies - I'm a Journalist myself and studied news and the media for longer than I care to remember! But a local paper has plenty of stories of interest to the local community available. I agree, feeding of foxes is a nusicence to many - but it could have been tied in with the story a few days ago about foxes ripping open bin bags (again, a non-story really as it happens everywhere).
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When the Echo gets a bee in its bonnet, it tries to start a revolution. I've read plenty of local newspapers in my time, and the Echo is the least local of the lot!
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Enjoying the debate by the way, nice to have a civilised one on here!

APR: Oooh lucky you. I have a fox that visits me but I,d love a badger too. I only ever see them dead by the roadside. I guess Thundersley is more rural.

Certainly an abundance of badgers in the area.
I was talking to a customer in Rayleigh a few years ago, who was moaning about the badgers digging up the end of her garden.
Then I noticed she was leaving out food for them !!.
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They can cause problems I know. There is a golf course in Benfleet (on a hill), where I'm told the green keeper used to poison the badgers. (nasty)

My house backs onto the golf course and we get loads of the little fuc]{ers in the garden, right outside my bedroom window screeching non stop all night. They look nice but are rather irritating things

PJR: I've read plenty of local newspapers myself and having just retired back here from the East Midlands, I can assure you that the local papers in all areas there are just the same. The biggest problem they face is the lack of any major news locally, hence trivial items become blown up out of all proportion.
I have in the past worked as a journalist on a national daily and I am only too aware of the need for space to be filled with anything that can be written about. The same applies to television journalism. There is, unfortunately, more tendency to compain about these things in the Intenet age, otherwise we would simply buy, or not if we didn't like it.
I too enjoy a civilised debate,(all too rare on these comments,)but I'm not sure it has anything to do with foxes on Canvey!

Well I'm very glad I don't live in Canvey if the people making comments, and the guy in the story, are representative. Nasty and ignorant comments about foxes and other wildlife. Selfish, vicious and violent people who are gagging to do harm to animals who they claim are a bit of an inconvenience to them. Foxes are not disease ridden and do not represent any threat whatsoever. They kill rats which I am sure everyone on Canvey hates, so leave the foxes alone. It's all driven by hunters and their vile hangers-on who want the Hunt ban overturned, and the stupid journalists who peddle this revolting tripe.

eric d. wrote:
Well I'm very glad I don't live in Canvey if the people making comments, and the guy in the story, are representative. Nasty and ignorant comments about foxes and other wildlife. Selfish, vicious and violent people who are gagging to do harm to animals who they claim are a bit of an inconvenience to them. Foxes are not disease ridden and do not represent any threat whatsoever. They kill rats which I am sure everyone on Canvey hates, so leave the foxes alone. It's all driven by hunters and their vile hangers-on who want the Hunt ban overturned, and the stupid journalists who peddle this revolting tripe.

Foxes not disease ridden? Present no threat? Yes, they kill rats, but they also kill other animals as well, for the sake of killing rather than for food.
As far as I am aware there has never been a hunt on Canvey, certainly not within the living memory of anyone who lives there.
Perhaps you ought to stop reading your Reynard stories and find a little more information on foxes.

Leaving bin bags out overnight is adding to the problem but these stupid people don't care as long as they are all right. They are either too stupid or too lazy to get their fat arses out of bed in the morning to put the bags out before the bin men come.

The only animal on Canvey Island whose population is out of control; who kills for fun and who fouls his own environment is man. It's a good thing you cowards don't actually live where there are BIG DANGEROUS animals.

Spot on, Cubbage. Well said.

Where is this Canvey Island I keep hearing about? Is it worth going there for a holiday?

No.

beardyman wrote:
Where is this Canvey Island I keep hearing about? Is it worth going there for a holiday?

Where is this West Cliff I keep hearing about? Isn't it where all the old people go to die?

John Fairchild said: “ People forget they are dirty vermin…"

Wrong John. DEFRA do NOT classify foxes as vermin.