Home Office pledges £4.65m to help Crays Hill eviction (From Echo)

yeah thats right waste millions on people who don't deserve it! this country is pathetic

Could in all probability hire in a Gurkha Regiment for less.
Regards Xdarksuffering from Southend-on-Sea. Why not get your Council to provide a site to the people who don't deserve it !

Have this lot got ANY real purpose in life ?

They only contribution they make is the continual spending by US tax payers who have to pay for their lawlessness.

I assume when they do go ALL local Councils/Police will be on alert to prevent yet another problem, hopefully Ireland will be the destination.

These low life criminals do not deserve one single means of help, unless they start behaving responsibly as individuals not as armed lawless thugs.

As for the current Government they talk shyt and do shyt, and the last government actually encouraged lawless thugs.

So the whole county has to pay for this?
So what's the plan with the land after these millions of pounds are wasted? Housing estate, or just left?
What is the actualy cost of this site then? Does anyone have any actual facts? The only one i've seen is the millions an eviction will cost.
"Have this lot got ANY real purpose in life ?"
What's your purpose in life then El cab? The county and the rest of England would quite easily survive without you, or anyone else who encouraged this waste of money!
Up to £10m! What a waste of money when the likes of the elderly are at risk of being left in the cold.
Where exactly do peoples priorities lie?

Doesn't matter how much it costs (as long as the costs are fair and accountable).
Upholding the Law must be a mandatory or this will be the 'tip' of a much bigger iceberg.
These chancers just want something for nothing. They have no respect and deserve no respect. Shame on the Govmnt, Council, Police for letting them get away with it for so long.
I just hope and pray that the end is in sight.
Anyone up for a 'see them go' anti-protest??

Of coarse it matters how much it costs! How can millions of pounds be justified for an eviction? Utterly rediculous point!
This is not a priority, stopping people carrying knives, rapists, muggers and paedophiles are are priorities! Look at it, the site is tiny in comparison to the land and towns around it! All the whinging and whining about this site has diverted funds from all over Essex, away from where it is really needed!
The rest of the county is having it's front line services cut, including the paramedics service, and millions is being used just to please people who have an embedded hatred for travellers! This is more a case of bitterness and jealously that someone can get away with something that someone else can't! There is no justification for using millions of pounds from EVERYONE just to evict a few travellers on one site. So would people rather evict travellers than keep as much of their front line services as possible, clearly they would.
I suppose everyone will moan again when the number of police on patrols are cut, serious criminals are let off becase it costs too much to put them away. But as long as the travellers are gone, that's all ok, isn't it!
If the local towns to dale farm wanted this eviction, then it should have come from their budget alone, not the whole county. But surprise surprise, no one in the county was asked!
This is a local problem, not a county wide one.
So do the local towns mind if the rest of Essex borrows their local police force to make up for the cuts in services elsewhere?

Bye bye, shut the gate on the way out "travellers"
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Suppose you will have to do some travelling, might i suggest Thorney Bay Caravan Park or Hackney ?

Balexan wrote:
Of coarse it matters how much it costs! How can millions of pounds be justified for an eviction? Utterly rediculous point! This is not a priority, stopping people carrying knives, rapists, muggers and paedophiles are are priorities! Look at it, the site is tiny in comparison to the land and towns around it! All the whinging and whining about this site has diverted funds from all over Essex, away from where it is really needed! The rest of the county is having it's front line services cut, including the paramedics service, and millions is being used just to please people who have an embedded hatred for travellers! This is more a case of bitterness and jealously that someone can get away with something that someone else can't! There is no justification for using millions of pounds from EVERYONE just to evict a few travellers on one site. So would people rather evict travellers than keep as much of their front line services as possible, clearly they would. I suppose everyone will moan again when the number of police on patrols are cut, serious criminals are let off becase it costs too much to put them away. But as long as the travellers are gone, that's all ok, isn't it! If the local towns to dale farm wanted this eviction, then it should have come from their budget alone, not the whole county. But surprise surprise, no one in the county was asked! This is a local problem, not a county wide one. So do the local towns mind if the rest of Essex borrows their local police force to make up for the cuts in services elsewhere?

I am sure they won't. I won't mind if a neighbouring area has to ask for more officers to deal with a large problem.
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Positive action is what is needed, no matter the cost.
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To compare this to muggings etc is just silly, you cant ever prevent every mugging / stabbing etc - but we can deal with an existing problem that is a hot bed for crime - why would you not want this ?
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Anyway I thought that performance by those 3 dimwitted women in Paris was supposed to stop this - FAIL.

richomack360 wrote:

Balexan wrote:
Of coarse it matters how much it costs! How can millions of pounds be justified for an eviction? Utterly rediculous point! This is not a priority, stopping people carrying knives, rapists, muggers and paedophiles are are priorities! Look at it, the site is tiny in comparison to the land and towns around it! All the whinging and whining about this site has diverted funds from all over Essex, away from where it is really needed! The rest of the county is having it's front line services cut, including the paramedics service, and millions is being used just to please people who have an embedded hatred for travellers! This is more a case of bitterness and jealously that someone can get away with something that someone else can't! There is no justification for using millions of pounds from EVERYONE just to evict a few travellers on one site. So would people rather evict travellers than keep as much of their front line services as possible, clearly they would. I suppose everyone will moan again when the number of police on patrols are cut, serious criminals are let off becase it costs too much to put them away. But as long as the travellers are gone, that's all ok, isn't it! If the local towns to dale farm wanted this eviction, then it should have come from their budget alone, not the whole county. But surprise surprise, no one in the county was asked! This is a local problem, not a county wide one. So do the local towns mind if the rest of Essex borrows their local police force to make up for the cuts in services elsewhere?

I am sure they won't. I won't mind if a neighbouring area has to ask for more officers to deal with a large problem.
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Positive action is what is needed, no matter the cost.
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To compare this to muggings etc is just silly, you cant ever prevent every mugging / stabbing etc - but we can deal with an existing problem that is a hot bed for crime - why would you not want this ?
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Anyway I thought that performance by those 3 dimwitted women in Paris was supposed to stop this - FAIL.

How is this comparison silly, less officers visible on the streets, means more crime! Day light crimes have been on the up!
At the same time, why would anyone want to remove millions from a budget that is already spread too thinly. It is not reasonable to remove money from the entire county for one site when there is no proof or evidence that crime will reduce once the travellers have been evicted. They will simply move somewhere else, and then what, another few million for another eviction. Or spend more money on following them around to stop them from settling somewhere else. But if they setup near another town on the other side of Essex, no-one on this side of Essex would give a monkeys because it doesn't affect them anymore! This is just an excuse for "revenge" on a group of people that other people instinctively don't like.
This is a vote winning tactic that will cause the problem to be shifted to another town, then what?

Are they gone yet??

Balexan-------Yes, the whole country should pay, as illegal traveller sites are affecting neighbourhoods all over the country. The law must be upheld everywhere whatever the cost, and as a taxpayer I accept this to be so.

Perhaps your comments stem from your fear that many travellers will move on to greenbelt illegally in Braintree (perhaps near you, hopefully not)? But if that happens would you then be glad of taxpayers'money and agree with the law being enforced?

essexlady wrote:
Balexan-------Yes, the whole country should pay, as illegal traveller sites are affecting neighbourhoods all over the country. The law must be upheld everywhere whatever the cost, and as a taxpayer I accept this to be so.

Perhaps your comments stem from your fear that many travellers will move on to greenbelt illegally in Braintree (perhaps near you, hopefully not)? But if that happens would you then be glad of taxpayers'money and agree with the law being enforced?

So you do think they should be kept moving from place to place with millions spent on each eviction notice?
Didn't answer that at all, did you!
HOW IS THIS GOING TO STOP TRAVELLERS FROM SETTING UP AGAIN AND FORCING ANOTHER EVICTION NOTICE TO COST MILLIONS?
Who said I "fear travellers", this is why everyone pushes for the eviction, because you are all scared of them and as a result have pushed for millions of pounds to be spent to move the problem somewhere else!
How have the travellers affected anyone on this debate? Although I suppose someone will have feeble story to tell about it.
You've got housing developers encroaching on green belt everywhere, what's everyone doing about that, surprise surprise, abosolutely nothing!
So when the front line service numbers fall, and the budget cuts really hit, will you be saying, "it's ok, the travellers were moved on somewhere else, so all is well"????
I doubt it.
Put things into prospective, instead of preaching "the law must be upheld".
If the law were truely upheld, then 90% of the country would have a criminal record!
This is not about the law, this is about moving a problem somewhere else so that the people in surrounding area can't see the site, and about given pleasure to those with a natural hatrid of travellers.
So how are they affecting neighbourhoods in any different way to non-travellers? Do non-travellers not spit, steal, cause criminal damage, abuse people? Why isn't this money being used to take care of the idiots that live directly among us? Perhaps because of the pure fact they are not travellers.
Waste of tax payers money, a waste of police time, and poor excuse for a solution. A typical attitude of todays majority, out of sight, out of mind.
Basildon council set aside £8million, £8MILLION for gods sake! Do you know how many streets that would clean, or how many vulerable and elderly safe? Is there nothing that people would prefer the money to spent on (i really hope that no-one says no)
For heavens sake people, can't you put your hatred for travellers to one side and let the money go where it is needed. Or is there too much self-pride at stake?

has anyone worked out what the Council can actually do ? wouldn't it be just amazing if the Council had no planning notices enabling them to do anything..

everyone keeps on about the green belt.. but is there actually anything (i.e. local land charge) that stops the travellers parking their caravans and living in them at dale farm ?

Balexan wrote:

essexlady wrote:
Balexan-------Yes, the whole country should pay, as illegal traveller sites are affecting neighbourhoods all over the country. The law must be upheld everywhere whatever the cost, and as a taxpayer I accept this to be so.

Perhaps your comments stem from your fear that many travellers will move on to greenbelt illegally in Braintree (perhaps near you, hopefully not)? But if that happens would you then be glad of taxpayers'money and agree with the law being enforced?

So you do think they should be kept moving from place to place with millions spent on each eviction notice?
Didn't answer that at all, did you!
HOW IS THIS GOING TO STOP TRAVELLERS FROM SETTING UP AGAIN AND FORCING ANOTHER EVICTION NOTICE TO COST MILLIONS?
Who said I "fear travellers", this is why everyone pushes for the eviction, because you are all scared of them and as a result have pushed for millions of pounds to be spent to move the problem somewhere else!
How have the travellers affected anyone on this debate? Although I suppose someone will have feeble story to tell about it.
You've got housing developers encroaching on green belt everywhere, what's everyone doing about that, surprise surprise, abosolutely nothing!
So when the front line service numbers fall, and the budget cuts really hit, will you be saying, "it's ok, the travellers were moved on somewhere else, so all is well"????
I doubt it.
Put things into prospective, instead of preaching "the law must be upheld".
If the law were truely upheld, then 90% of the country would have a criminal record!
This is not about the law, this is about moving a problem somewhere else so that the people in surrounding area can't see the site, and about given pleasure to those with a natural hatrid of travellers.
So how are they affecting neighbourhoods in any different way to non-travellers? Do non-travellers not spit, steal, cause criminal damage, abuse people? Why isn't this money being used to take care of the idiots that live directly among us? Perhaps because of the pure fact they are not travellers.
Waste of tax payers money, a waste of police time, and poor excuse for a solution. A typical attitude of todays majority, out of sight, out of mind.
Basildon council set aside £8million, £8MILLION for gods sake! Do you know how many streets that would clean, or how many vulerable and elderly safe? Is there nothing that people would prefer the money to spent on (i really hope that no-one says no)
For heavens sake people, can't you put your hatred for travellers to one side and let the money go where it is needed. Or is there too much self-pride at stake?

I agree with you that this money could be better spent on the elderly, the vulnerable, street cleaning, or many other worthwhile projects. Have you considered putting some of the blame on the travellers? If they moved on, and stopped breaking the law as to where they live, without forcing the council to spend this money, then these other projects would have more chance of funding.

I have just been reading some of these comments. Is Balexan a traveller or just somewhat misguided?!

He is quite right to question the use of public funds but ultimately the funds are exactly that: PUBLIC. The public, via its elected representatives, has spoken and it backs an eviction. I find his ignorance as to why there is such a public outcry when it comes to travellers truly astounding. For the record, in my case, it is based on personal experiences and NOT racism or ethnic hatred.

Perhaps it might have something to do with the traditional British sense of fair play? Perhaps people feel it unjust that travellers can set up permanent homes illegally wherever and whenever they feel like doing so (has anyone noticed the traveller "ribbon development" that extends from Rayleigh Weir westwards along the A127 for mile upon mile, nicely tucked away behind the hedgerows?). Perhaps they have been threatened with violence by travellers (I have)? Perhaps it is because they have worked hard all their lives to buy their own homes only to see the value of those homes plummet due to travellers moving in illegally around them? Perhaps it is because they have watched traveller families 'grazing' (shoplifting) blatently and calmly walking away knowing that people are too scared to do anything about it? Perhaps it's because they have been victims of one of the countless traveller scams? Perhaps they feel strongly about animal cruelty? Perhaps they begrudge having to pay tax when so few (if any) travellers do? Perhaps it upsets people to see travellers claiming (scamming) every penny of benefits achievable and in return, putting nothing back into the pot? Perhaps they just begrudge a group of people seemingly doing what the hell it likes and getting away with it? The list goes on....

In every society there are good and bad people. I have met quite a few travellers over the years - and I do NOT refer the traditional Roma types. One day, I look forward to meeting a good one.

Balexan wrote:

essexlady wrote: Balexan-------Yes, the whole country should pay, as illegal traveller sites are affecting neighbourhoods all over the country. The law must be upheld everywhere whatever the cost, and as a taxpayer I accept this to be so. Perhaps your comments stem from your fear that many travellers will move on to greenbelt illegally in Braintree (perhaps near you, hopefully not)? But if that happens would you then be glad of taxpayers'money and agree with the law being enforced?

So you do think they should be kept moving from place to place with millions spent on each eviction notice? Didn't answer that at all, did you! HOW IS THIS GOING TO STOP TRAVELLERS FROM SETTING UP AGAIN AND FORCING ANOTHER EVICTION NOTICE TO COST MILLIONS? Who said I "fear travellers", this is why everyone pushes for the eviction, because you are all scared of them and as a result have pushed for millions of pounds to be spent to move the problem somewhere else! How have the travellers affected anyone on this debate? Although I suppose someone will have feeble story to tell about it. You've got housing developers encroaching on green belt everywhere, what's everyone doing about that, surprise surprise, abosolutely nothing! So when the front line service numbers fall, and the budget cuts really hit, will you be saying, "it's ok, the travellers were moved on somewhere else, so all is well"???? I doubt it. Put things into prospective, instead of preaching "the law must be upheld". If the law were truely upheld, then 90% of the country would have a criminal record! This is not about the law, this is about moving a problem somewhere else so that the people in surrounding area can't see the site, and about given pleasure to those with a natural hatrid of travellers. So how are they affecting neighbourhoods in any different way to non-travellers? Do non-travellers not spit, steal, cause criminal damage, abuse people? Why isn't this money being used to take care of the idiots that live directly among us? Perhaps because of the pure fact they are not travellers. Waste of tax payers money, a waste of police time, and poor excuse for a solution. A typical attitude of todays majority, out of sight, out of mind. Basildon council set aside £8million, £8MILLION for gods sake! Do you know how many streets that would clean, or how many vulerable and elderly safe? Is there nothing that people would prefer the money to spent on (i really hope that no-one says no) For heavens sake people, can't you put your hatred for travellers to one side and let the money go where it is needed. Or is there too much self-pride at stake?

Yes you are right it's a lot of money. Let's get our army out of Afghanistan and Iraq to do the job for a lot less.

I would like to invite as many residents as possible to turn out for the 'going away' Parade when they actually leave.

It is hoped to get half a million local residents out to give the final two finger salute along the route !

Yes, at last the government has decided that they do need to deal with these people who have complete disregard for the laws of our country. Anyone who has had to endure living near these itinerants will know that the crimes, cruelty and abuse suffered is beyond belief. These people need to realise they have to go and if they had any pride they would not allow this money to be spent removing them. No-one is above the law and let's not forget it has taken ten years to get to this stage which is a complete fiasco thanks to the previous government. No more time wasting, just get the 28 day notices issued now.

el caballero de la noche wrote:
I would like to invite as many residents as possible to turn out for the 'going away' Parade when they actually leave. It is hoped to get half a million local residents out to give the final two finger salute along the route !

I think most of Wickford, Basildon and surrounding areas will be there with you.

Nebs:
Where should they move onto? Or is the answer to that "i don't care", which means that no-one really cares who it affects, as long as it isn't them. You can't keep moving them along, or it will just go round in a big circle and come back!If people are happy for over £10million pounds to be spent, why not half it, buy a plot of land somewhere and give it to them?cheaper, but it probably won't fly because everyone will still feel hard done by, even they it would save the local, and essex council a lot of money!
Why don't people admit it, they don't care if there's cheaper alternatives, they just want to see the travellers thrown out for self pleasure.

Horton: well, what can i say to that rubbish. Fairplay? so i was right, it is bitterness and jealously. You've seen travellers claiming benefits they shouldn't? i've heard it all now. House prices falling, stealing, claiming benefits, this sounds awefully like a lot of people living in the towns, doesn't it, and there are a lot more people doing this in our towns then there are travellers on this site! I would of thought the p!ss heads in the town centres on a Friday night are more the ones that do what they like without any regard to anyone else, how many years has this been happening for? a lot more than these travellers have been on this site for! How about the money be spent on finding the ar5eholes abroad who con old people out of 10's of 000's of pounds in fraudlent shares and prizes, they specifically target the most vulnerable people in country, No?
Well, to be honest, I did not vote on the basis that millions of pounds of county money was to be spent on this, the only time anyone found out about it was when it was announced on the news! So who are all these people that backed it? If everyone is so keen on it, step up and go down there to support the police and council, afterall, you wanted this money to spent/wasted!
Mary Lou:
If you have nothing sensible to say, why bother? legal or not, the soldiers in afghanistan are trying to protect the innocent from being enslaved by a bunch of nut cases who would blow you and I up, without battering an eye lid! I personally don't think you can put a price on freeing a country from terroism. To use soldiers in this debate is pretty low, they are cutting there money left right and centre and yet people are still happy for this money to be spent on evicting travellers. Nothing like slapping our boys in the face, right mary-lou? I doubt you meant it in that manner, but this is what it means.
Still want it spent on the eviction? If yes, then we are all truely are beyond selfish, to ignore the alternatives is nothing short of arrogant and petty minded. I do not condone the travellers, i just don't believe it is the priority it is made out to be, and with the terrible things going on in this country, I can't believe that anyone else does. Shame on us for allowing something that is a stone in ocean in the grand scheme of things.
This is all about spite, and I would thought that we all would risen above it and stopped wasting our hard earned money on something that needn't be so expensive!
Honestly, over £10million, i can't believe it!

It is crazy it will cost that much, but if it does then it does. The cost can't be used as an excuse to allow them to stay.

There are three options;

1) The £10m option that the council have opted for.

2) Attempt to charge them for being there and when they don't pay spend years and years and much more than £10m doing nothing until you give up and they get what they want.

Option 1 is like having a painful but necessary operation. Option 2 is no way to run a country - under those rules why should anyone pay for anything ever again.

3) I saw the Vulcan bomber at the weekend and that can take a payload of 26 1000lb bombs.

"Horton: well, what can i say to that rubbish. Fairplay? so i was right, it is bitterness and jealously."

Well, what can I say? Guilty as charged - I have always wanted to be a traveller...

Actually, in all seriousness, if I were to become a traveller, my 4x4 would be at least a year or two younger, I could run it on (stolen) red diesel and wouldn't have to pay any tax on it - or pay speeding fines as the plates would be cloned. Happy days - time to become a non-travelling traveller!

Thanks Balexan for setting me straight.

WILL it happen, WONT it happen? Regardless of estimated and yet Extortionate costs to carry this out, I WONT be holding my breath on this one ACTUALLY happening.

It's a shame the Home office don't do the same to rid this country of illegal immigrants.

well trainman, if over £10million isn;t enough, what next, £20million, more?
the worrying thing is it will probably cost twice this "estimate".
Horton: bringing up stolen diesel, why would stolen diesel be red. Red diesel is just what farmers use to identify it is fuel that has no duty paid on it, not sure where you're going with that? But i see you didn;t acknowledge anything about the scale of the problem IN the county's towns, a cost, and subsequent effects that far exceed a travellers site!
Thanks timmus, i wondered when someone would chuck this in the melting point as well. Yes, let's spend a few more 10's of millions on another problem that is no where near the top of the priority list, good thinking!!!
i mean, why spend money on creating new jobs, and better health care, better schools and protecting the vulnerable, when we can simply remove the illegal immigrants, and this travellers site, and all our problems will be solved, hooray!
I think mandatory mental assessments for the population would be a good investment!

The costs issue is meaningless. It will cost what it costs.

The issue is what enforcement notices do the Council have.. and what do they let the Council do.... that enable them to incur costs. No notices = no costs = nothing will happen..

surely we could borrowone of those apache helicopters for 5 minutes after all the government sent them all the way to Libya why not Basildon.

Using the army could work. Millions are being spent to train them in urban conflict in false towns built on MOD lands in Norfolk & Wiltshire. This would give them a more realistic experience and the money is being spent on training anyway. Thee travelelrs say they will be violent so why spare the rod!
Give the travellers 24 HOURS to get out of the county or send in the forces.
I like the Apache idea but to be honest a tank holds the ground better and is a ready bulldozer too!

NoToTravellers wrote:
Using the army could work. Millions are being spent to train them in urban conflict in false towns built on MOD lands in Norfolk & Wiltshire. This would give them a more realistic experience and the money is being spent on training anyway. Thee travelelrs say they will be violent so why spare the rod!
Give the travellers 24 HOURS to get out of the county or send in the forces.
I like the Apache idea but to be honest a tank holds the ground better and is a ready bulldozer too!

shut up you ****. i don't like travellers never have never will ,i have voiced my opinions on here . but these families need to live somewhere . stupid comments like yours just shows ignorance.

Balexan wrote:
Nebs:
Where should they move onto? Or is the answer to that "i don't care", which means that no-one really cares who it affects, as long as it isn't them. You can't keep moving them along, or it will just go round in a big circle and come back!If people are happy for over £10million pounds to be spent, why not half it, buy a plot of land somewhere and give it to them?cheaper, but it probably won't fly because everyone will still feel hard done by, even they it would save the local, and essex council a lot of money!
Why don't people admit it, they don't care if there's cheaper alternatives, they just want to see the travellers thrown out for self pleasure.

Horton: well, what can i say to that rubbish. Fairplay? so i was right, it is bitterness and jealously. You've seen travellers claiming benefits they shouldn't? i've heard it all now. House prices falling, stealing, claiming benefits, this sounds awefully like a lot of people living in the towns, doesn't it, and there are a lot more people doing this in our towns then there are travellers on this site! I would of thought the p!ss heads in the town centres on a Friday night are more the ones that do what they like without any regard to anyone else, how many years has this been happening for? a lot more than these travellers have been on this site for! How about the money be spent on finding the ar5eholes abroad who con old people out of 10's of 000's of pounds in fraudlent shares and prizes, they specifically target the most vulnerable people in country, No?
Well, to be honest, I did not vote on the basis that millions of pounds of county money was to be spent on this, the only time anyone found out about it was when it was announced on the news! So who are all these people that backed it? If everyone is so keen on it, step up and go down there to support the police and council, afterall, you wanted this money to spent/wasted!
Mary Lou:
If you have nothing sensible to say, why bother? legal or not, the soldiers in afghanistan are trying to protect the innocent from being enslaved by a bunch of nut cases who would blow you and I up, without battering an eye lid! I personally don't think you can put a price on freeing a country from terroism. To use soldiers in this debate is pretty low, they are cutting there money left right and centre and yet people are still happy for this money to be spent on evicting travellers. Nothing like slapping our boys in the face, right mary-lou? I doubt you meant it in that manner, but this is what it means.
Still want it spent on the eviction? If yes, then we are all truely are beyond selfish, to ignore the alternatives is nothing short of arrogant and petty minded. I do not condone the travellers, i just don't believe it is the priority it is made out to be, and with the terrible things going on in this country, I can't believe that anyone else does. Shame on us for allowing something that is a stone in ocean in the grand scheme of things.
This is all about spite, and I would thought that we all would risen above it and stopped wasting our hard earned money on something that needn't be so expensive!
Honestly, over £10million, i can't believe it!

Where should they go? Anywhere that is legal, just like the other 60,000,000 people in the country. They have the whole of Europe to choose from.
I don't agree that it will be "cheaper" to buy a plot of land and give it to them. It would set a precedent, everyone would want the same, and we can't afford to give everyone a plot of land. If you want a plot of land then you have to earn it, and if you want to then develop it you have to get permission.

Balexan wrote:

richomack360 wrote:

Balexan wrote: Of coarse it matters how much it costs! How can millions of pounds be justified for an eviction? Utterly rediculous point! This is not a priority, stopping people carrying knives, rapists, muggers and paedophiles are are priorities! Look at it, the site is tiny in comparison to the land and towns around it! All the whinging and whining about this site has diverted funds from all over Essex, away from where it is really needed! The rest of the county is having it's front line services cut, including the paramedics service, and millions is being used just to please people who have an embedded hatred for travellers! This is more a case of bitterness and jealously that someone can get away with something that someone else can't! There is no justification for using millions of pounds from EVERYONE just to evict a few travellers on one site. So would people rather evict travellers than keep as much of their front line services as possible, clearly they would. I suppose everyone will moan again when the number of police on patrols are cut, serious criminals are let off becase it costs too much to put them away. But as long as the travellers are gone, that's all ok, isn't it! If the local towns to dale farm wanted this eviction, then it should have come from their budget alone, not the whole county. But surprise surprise, no one in the county was asked! This is a local problem, not a county wide one. So do the local towns mind if the rest of Essex borrows their local police force to make up for the cuts in services elsewhere?

I am sure they won't. I won't mind if a neighbouring area has to ask for more officers to deal with a large problem. . Positive action is what is needed, no matter the cost. . To compare this to muggings etc is just silly, you cant ever prevent every mugging / stabbing etc - but we can deal with an existing problem that is a hot bed for crime - why would you not want this ? . Anyway I thought that performance by those 3 dimwitted women in Paris was supposed to stop this - FAIL.

How is this comparison silly, less officers visible on the streets, means more crime! Day light crimes have been on the up! At the same time, why would anyone want to remove millions from a budget that is already spread too thinly. It is not reasonable to remove money from the entire county for one site when there is no proof or evidence that crime will reduce once the travellers have been evicted. They will simply move somewhere else, and then what, another few million for another eviction. Or spend more money on following them around to stop them from settling somewhere else. But if they setup near another town on the other side of Essex, no-one on this side of Essex would give a monkeys because it doesn't affect them anymore! This is just an excuse for "revenge" on a group of people that other people instinctively don't like. This is a vote winning tactic that will cause the problem to be shifted to another town, then what?

They finally get the hint nobody wants them in the country and do the decent thing ?

If I park my camper van overnight, it is designed to sleep in, I am moved on the next day. If I bought a caravan, is it fair to expect anyone to provide me with land to live on, I think not!

Travellers used to travel with a horse drawn wagon, these folk have proper built home like residential units yet they say they cannot live in a normal house!

I thought travellers travelled, and all this lot have been asked to do is abide by the law, so why all the fuss?

Get the water cannons out and don't use kids as an excuse to treat them kindly!

We live in a civilised world and if they can fixe their units to the ground they can apply for a council house, or given the money they spend on their ridiculous weddings, they can buy a proper home like everyone else!

\If they love the travellers so much, Ireland is a green and pleasant land with all the space they need!

Balexan,
Couldn't they just buy their own plot of land that is available for development and live there? Obviously they will have to pay Stamp Duty and the like, but that's what most people have to do when they want a home.

I do hope that once evicted they will be given council houses/flats...you know like other 'travellers' to this country enjoy so freely, after all it would be unfair to discriminate.