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Parking crackdown is ‘blatant opportunism’
3:12pm Tuesday 3rd January 2012 in News By Emma Thomas
Frank Jensen is angered after being given a ticket for parking in Warrior Square on New Year’s Day
PARKING wardens have been accused of “blatant opportunism” after scores of motorists were slapped with tickets early on New Year’s Day.
Frank Jensen, of The Drakes, Shoebury, was one of the drivers who assumed on-street parking in Southend would be free as it was New Year’s Day and a Sunday.
Mr Jensen, 52, drove into Southend to go shopping and left his car in Warrior Square. When he returned two hours later, he found he had been charged along with about 15 other cars parked in the street.
He said: “I think it is disgusting. It was very quiet in the High Street and there weren’t very many shops open. The traffic wardens must have had a field day.
“I counted about 12 to 15 cars with parking tickets as I was driving down the road.”
Southend Council’s website states that parking charges apply on a Sunday in Warrior Square between 11am and 5pm, but there are no charges on bank holidays. The fines are £50, but if it is paid in 14 days, it is reduced to £25.
Andrew Lewis, corporate director for enterprise, tourism and the environment for Southend Council, said: “If someone is concerned and feels a ticket has been issued unfairly or incorrectly, we will always look into it.
“If there has been a mistake, we will try to rectify it.”
Meanwhile, Paul Croome, of Glen Road, Leigh, awoke on Sunday morning to find traffic wardens had issued him with a fine because his car had been parked on the wrong side of the street.
Southend Council enforces alternative parking restrictions in Glen Road, which means residents have to switch the side of the road on which they park every month.
Mr Croome said he had left his car in a legal spot on December 31, only to find it had been ticketed by about 10am the next day.
He accused wardens of deliberately patrolling the streets to catch out people who had not moved their cars in time.
“This smacks of blatant opportunism on the council’s part,” he said.
“In many cases, people will have had a drink the previous night, so may well still be over the limit by this time on New Year’s Day.
“Is it now council policy to advocate drink-driving?”
But Neil Hunwicks, contract manager for the council’s parking contractor Apcoa, said wardens had given residents some leeway.
He said: “Technically, we could enforce these restrictions from midnight, but we have been instructed by the council to only start at 10am to give people a chance to move their vehicles.”
Comments(56)
Nick BURTON
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3:29pm Tue 3 Jan 12
al coniston
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3:31pm Tue 3 Jan 12
Nick BURTON wrote:well they won't raise it by these means - they would not have a leg to stand on in a court of law !
How else are SBC able to pay the numerous £50K plus salaries at the Civic Centre ?
GentleGiant
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3:38pm Tue 3 Jan 12
Christmas Day would be chargeable though as it is not a Bank Holiday and is a Public Holiday.
al coniston
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3:43pm Tue 3 Jan 12
GentleGiant wrote:The Bank Holidays Act of 1871 was amended in 1974 by adding 'New Years Day' as an additional bank holiday. As 'New Years Day' can only be the 1st day of January, then regardless of whatever day New Years Day falls on, it is still a bank holiday, irrespective of whether an additional day is offered in lieu (as happens when a 'Bank Holiday' falls on a weekend)
Depends what the signs say - if the signs say bank Holidays are free then the tickets are wrong. However as you get a substitute day as a Bank Holiday as it falls on a weekend, then it could be claimed that it is not a bank holiday. Christmas Day would be chargeable though as it is not a Bank Holiday and is a Public Holiday.
j-w
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3:44pm Tue 3 Jan 12
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stropmag
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3:47pm Tue 3 Jan 12
Joe Hune
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3:48pm Tue 3 Jan 12
B. Look at the ECHO from 4th January 2011 when the exact same article was in the paper!
C. We are starting a brand new year (2012) and all the ECHO can come up with are stories about parking tickets. On 2nd we had the stuff about how many tickets the CCTV cars do and now we get the front and third page about some parking tickets issued on new years day! Parking tickets are not news, thousands of people get them in Southend every year!!
To the Editor of the ECHO,
Send your reporters out to get real local stories and don't just give us the easy stuff you gave us last year! Parking stories are not news, you just use them when you need to fill up inches in your no call NEWS paper!
I checked out with the Council this morning and there is a well documented appeals process for all parking tickets and the ECHO isn't one of them!
APR
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4:02pm Tue 3 Jan 12
It's a good job he didn't catch the warden in the act :)
Ed in
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4:03pm Tue 3 Jan 12
Give em hell Frank.
Joe Hune
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4:10pm Tue 3 Jan 12
Ed in wrote:Frank has had a hard life and he is entitled to his 2 minutes of fame, even if it is on the front of the Southend ECHO!
Didnt realise Frank was only 52, thought he was a lot older than that:p Give em hell Frank.
Frank, you will be chip paper tomorrow!
Jodaius
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4:16pm Tue 3 Jan 12
al coniston wrote:Rubbish.
GentleGiant wrote:The Bank Holidays Act of 1871 was amended in 1974 by adding 'New Years Day' as an additional bank holiday. As 'New Years Day' can only be the 1st day of January, then regardless of whatever day New Years Day falls on, it is still a bank holiday, irrespective of whether an additional day is offered in lieu (as happens when a 'Bank Holiday' falls on a weekend)
Depends what the signs say - if the signs say bank Holidays are free then the tickets are wrong. However as you get a substitute day as a Bank Holiday as it falls on a weekend, then it could be claimed that it is not a bank holiday. Christmas Day would be chargeable though as it is not a Bank Holiday and is a Public Holiday.
The Bank Holidays Act of 1871 was repealed in 1971, when it was replaced by the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971. This makes no reference to New Year's Day, and there is no basis in law for this.
New Year's Day has been announced by Royal Proclamation each year since 1974. The 1971 Act has not been amended, and technically the Queen could decide not to bother next year (although it's unlikely!)
This year's proclamation would have stated that New Year's Day was on 2nd January.
ShrimperSS0
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4:27pm Tue 3 Jan 12
fredfoot
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4:43pm Tue 3 Jan 12
At midday this car park was nearly full thans SBC for a free park.
Last Poster
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4:48pm Tue 3 Jan 12
Jodaius wrote:I do know that, as a power worker in the 1970's working stagger shifts I had to work on any national holiday if it fell on a weekend - In line with the policy of moving the holiday to a week day if it occurred on a Saturday or Sunday for the then people who never worked weekends. We petitioned Parliament, with the aid of our Trades unions, to change the law so that for instance, if the 25th or 26th of December fell on a weekend day, and that day was part of your normal working week, then that day would count as the bank holiday, not the day off in Lieu. Of course, this would mean that the shifted day for all others then became a normal working day for us! Now Sunday is a normal working day for many workers, one wonders if it is still observed, and if so then Sunday is the Holiday day for those people.
al coniston wrote:Rubbish.
GentleGiant wrote:The Bank Holidays Act of 1871 was amended in 1974 by adding 'New Years Day' as an additional bank holiday. As 'New Years Day' can only be the 1st day of January, then regardless of whatever day New Years Day falls on, it is still a bank holiday, irrespective of whether an additional day is offered in lieu (as happens when a 'Bank Holiday' falls on a weekend)
Depends what the signs say - if the signs say bank Holidays are free then the tickets are wrong. However as you get a substitute day as a Bank Holiday as it falls on a weekend, then it could be claimed that it is not a bank holiday. Christmas Day would be chargeable though as it is not a Bank Holiday and is a Public Holiday.
The Bank Holidays Act of 1871 was repealed in 1971, when it was replaced by the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971. This makes no reference to New Year's Day, and there is no basis in law for this.
New Year's Day has been announced by Royal Proclamation each year since 1974. The 1971 Act has not been amended, and technically the Queen could decide not to bother next year (although it's unlikely!)
This year's proclamation would have stated that New Year's Day was on 2nd January.
With that in mind, why don't they give the job back to police traffic wardens. In my experience they at least used common sense and knew when to look the other way!
Dave_
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4:52pm Tue 3 Jan 12
Whether it’s considered as news or not is another matter. I think it’s right that this sort of petty mindedness is highlighted.
Jill S.
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5:01pm Tue 3 Jan 12
Meanwhile, Paul Croome, of Glen Road, Leigh, awoke on Sunday morning to find traffic wardens had issued him with a fine because his car had been parked on the wrong side of the street.
End of quote:
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I live in a road that has staggered parking, i.e. alternate sides on alternate months but ours is only Monday to Friday between 9.00am and 6.00pm.
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At weekends we can park whatever side we like.
firedog
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5:02pm Tue 3 Jan 12
much easier than waiting untill you have a ticket and then running to the Echo.
Nebs
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5:49pm Tue 3 Jan 12
doc1
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5:50pm Tue 3 Jan 12
the point i was trying to rise is look how many shops closed and empty ?
we came to the town centre and shop to support the local shops and as the notice on the tickett machine stated bank holidays no charge ,there where severel cars around that did not have pay and display tickett's so it look's like we all thought the same that jan 1st bank holiday but aparently not ?
my point is it should have been free and it would help the local trades to drum up more trade but alas they suffer ,as i see more stores closing due to less shoppers using local shops and prob going further afeild where parking is free as in some other town's
and i was not the only one who made this mistake and getting a tickett was i ?
as for running to the local paper to report it it was to high-lite the event on new years day starting the new year by getting a tickett where it should not have been isued in the 1st place ???????? i did not park on a single or double ,zigzag line did i ,,,,,,,,,,
marybelle
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6:49pm Tue 3 Jan 12
al coniston wrote:I believe you are wrong seaside towns are different and Bank Holidays are normal day's.
The tickets are unenforcable and would have to be rescinded. New Years day (being 1st January) was awarded the status 'bank holiday' in 1974. The fact that Monday 2nd January 2012 was given as a day's holiday in liue of the 1st being a Sunday is irrelevent.
Tackon
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7:17pm Tue 3 Jan 12
Joe Hune wrote:The company that people appeal such tickets is actually funned by a % of the funds made on the tickets! Conflict of interest?
A. Ask yourself is this really news?
B. Look at the ECHO from 4th January 2011 when the exact same article was in the paper!
C. We are starting a brand new year (2012) and all the ECHO can come up with are stories about parking tickets. On 2nd we had the stuff about how many tickets the CCTV cars do and now we get the front and third page about some parking tickets issued on new years day! Parking tickets are not news, thousands of people get them in Southend every year!!
To the Editor of the ECHO,
Send your reporters out to get real local stories and don't just give us the easy stuff you gave us last year! Parking stories are not news, you just use them when you need to fill up inches in your no call NEWS paper!
I checked out with the Council this morning and there is a well documented appeals process for all parking tickets and the ECHO isn't one of them!
Tackon
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7:19pm Tue 3 Jan 12
Jodaius wrote:The queen cant be bothered full stop.
al coniston wrote:Rubbish.
GentleGiant wrote:The Bank Holidays Act of 1871 was amended in 1974 by adding 'New Years Day' as an additional bank holiday. As 'New Years Day' can only be the 1st day of January, then regardless of whatever day New Years Day falls on, it is still a bank holiday, irrespective of whether an additional day is offered in lieu (as happens when a 'Bank Holiday' falls on a weekend)
Depends what the signs say - if the signs say bank Holidays are free then the tickets are wrong. However as you get a substitute day as a Bank Holiday as it falls on a weekend, then it could be claimed that it is not a bank holiday. Christmas Day would be chargeable though as it is not a Bank Holiday and is a Public Holiday.
The Bank Holidays Act of 1871 was repealed in 1971, when it was replaced by the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971. This makes no reference to New Year's Day, and there is no basis in law for this.
New Year's Day has been announced by Royal Proclamation each year since 1974. The 1971 Act has not been amended, and technically the Queen could decide not to bother next year (although it's unlikely!)
This year's proclamation would have stated that New Year's Day was on 2nd January.
watchfulk
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7:34pm Tue 3 Jan 12
doc1 wrote:No you were not the only one who made this mistake it appears however you are the only one who has your face plastered across the front page of the Echo, wearing the required angry face and it appears on page 3 too. Talk about milk your error for all it's worth. It was your mistake and most people would check before leaving their vehicle. Are you actually angry because you got a ticket because you didn't check or because you felt it should have been free, or because you genuinely feel for the shop keepers of Southend. I think the latter was an added sentiment as you didn't voice your concerns to the reporter who I am sure you contacted pretty sharply for your fame seeking original 'interview'. More than likely added once you received negative comments on here.
thank's for all comment's the point i was trying to rise is look how many shops closed and empty ? we came to the town centre and shop to support the local shops and as the notice on the tickett machine stated bank holidays no charge ,there where severel cars around that did not have pay and display tickett's so it look's like we all thought the same that jan 1st bank holiday but aparently not ? my point is it should have been free and it would help the local trades to drum up more trade but alas they suffer ,as i see more stores closing due to less shoppers using local shops and prob going further afeild where parking is free as in some other town's and i was not the only one who made this mistake and getting a tickett was i ? as for running to the local paper to report it it was to high-lite the event on new years day starting the new year by getting a tickett where it should not have been isued in the 1st place ???????? i did not park on a single or double ,zigzag line did i ,,,,,,,,,,
Tackon
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8:14pm Tue 3 Jan 12
watchfulk wrote:You have many options one of them is not to pay it and then deal with it in court. It is unlikely there will be a court case.
doc1 wrote:No you were not the only one who made this mistake it appears however you are the only one who has your face plastered across the front page of the Echo, wearing the required angry face and it appears on page 3 too. Talk about milk your error for all it's worth. It was your mistake and most people would check before leaving their vehicle. Are you actually angry because you got a ticket because you didn't check or because you felt it should have been free, or because you genuinely feel for the shop keepers of Southend. I think the latter was an added sentiment as you didn't voice your concerns to the reporter who I am sure you contacted pretty sharply for your fame seeking original 'interview'. More than likely added once you received negative comments on here.
thank's for all comment's the point i was trying to rise is look how many shops closed and empty ? we came to the town centre and shop to support the local shops and as the notice on the tickett machine stated bank holidays no charge ,there where severel cars around that did not have pay and display tickett's so it look's like we all thought the same that jan 1st bank holiday but aparently not ? my point is it should have been free and it would help the local trades to drum up more trade but alas they suffer ,as i see more stores closing due to less shoppers using local shops and prob going further afeild where parking is free as in some other town's and i was not the only one who made this mistake and getting a tickett was i ? as for running to the local paper to report it it was to high-lite the event on new years day starting the new year by getting a tickett where it should not have been isued in the 1st place ???????? i did not park on a single or double ,zigzag line did i ,,,,,,,,,,
stonybrig
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8:27pm Tue 3 Jan 12
doc1
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9:13pm Tue 3 Jan 12
watchfulk wrote:not milking it
doc1 wrote: thank's for all comment's the point i was trying to rise is look how many shops closed and empty ? we came to the town centre and shop to support the local shops and as the notice on the tickett machine stated bank holidays no charge ,there where severel cars around that did not have pay and display tickett's so it look's like we all thought the same that jan 1st bank holiday but aparently not ? my point is it should have been free and it would help the local trades to drum up more trade but alas they suffer ,as i see more stores closing due to less shoppers using local shops and prob going further afeild where parking is free as in some other town's and i was not the only one who made this mistake and getting a tickett was i ? as for running to the local paper to report it it was to high-lite the event on new years day starting the new year by getting a tickett where it should not have been isued in the 1st place ???????? i did not park on a single or double ,zigzag line did i ,,,,,,,,,,No you were not the only one who made this mistake it appears however you are the only one who has your face plastered across the front page of the Echo, wearing the required angry face and it appears on page 3 too. Talk about milk your error for all it's worth. It was your mistake and most people would check before leaving their vehicle. Are you actually angry because you got a ticket because you didn't check or because you felt it should have been free, or because you genuinely feel for the shop keepers of Southend. I think the latter was an added sentiment as you didn't voice your concerns to the reporter who I am sure you contacted pretty sharply for your fame seeking original 'interview'. More than likely added once you received negative comments on here.
just trying to make a point the tickett should NOT have been given and the point to support local shop's was indeed mentioned but was not added in the paper ? why not ? ask the reporter not me
as as for my face plastered all over the paper at least i have the gut's to stand up to what i beleive and as for the negative report's on here it look's like more plus's then neg's
a few years ago it cost me over £5500
to replace my van due to shuddy road work's on southend roads so if i feel like sticking to my belives i WILL
doc1
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9:18pm Tue 3 Jan 12
stonybrig wrote:i am a man and i can take it but how many tickett's did they isue sunday 1st jan ??? huuuu i wasn't the only one many fell for the same mistake
You & only you ""doc1"" are in the wrong, but your milking this like a ol maid,,,,,hand your£££ over,,,, take it like a man!!!!!!!
if it was just me and me alone i would just pay it but as said before i am making my point and stick to my belives.............
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ty
watchfulk
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9:37pm Tue 3 Jan 12
,huuuuuuuu
If indeed it should not have been issued then I am sure they will not enforce the fine. Moral of the story check first next time and if required pay your parking fee most of us do and then do not encounter such fines.
doc1
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9:54pm Tue 3 Jan 12
watchfulk wrote:called them on sunday when we got home and there office is closed due to bank holiday weekend ,,,,,,,called them today and they said i can apeal on line ...i have done that ........also googled the said 1971 act and found in 1974 it was passed that jan1st is a bank-holiday and this was the inpreasion i had ........and beleive and this is why i have made my point
In your opinion the ticket should not have been given. Personally I have never heard of a Bank Holiday Sunday even if it was New Years Day. Just what have you hoped to gain from going to the Echo apart from your face in the paper? Should you not be standing by your 'belives' on the phone to the appeals dept,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,huuuuuuuu If indeed it should not have been issued then I am sure they will not enforce the fine. Moral of the story check first next time and if required pay your parking fee most of us do and then do not encounter such fines.
and it is great to see freedom of speech from all walk's of life big well done all the comunity can work together even thou some agree and some don't ..........we'll see the outcome
ty
doc1
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9:55pm Tue 3 Jan 12
watchfulk wrote:called them on sunday when we got home and there office is closed due to bank holiday weekend ,,,,,,,called them today and they said i can apeal on line ...i have done that ........also googled the said 1971 act and found in 1974 it was passed that jan1st is a bank-holiday and this was the inpreasion i had ........and beleive and this is why i have made my point
In your opinion the ticket should not have been given. Personally I have never heard of a Bank Holiday Sunday even if it was New Years Day. Just what have you hoped to gain from going to the Echo apart from your face in the paper? Should you not be standing by your 'belives' on the phone to the appeals dept,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,huuuuuuuu If indeed it should not have been issued then I am sure they will not enforce the fine. Moral of the story check first next time and if required pay your parking fee most of us do and then do not encounter such fines.
and it is great to see freedom of speech from all walk's of life big well done all the comunity can work together even thou some agree and some don't ..........we'll see the outcome
ty
doc1
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9:55pm Tue 3 Jan 12
watchfulk wrote:called them on sunday when we got home and there office is closed due to bank holiday weekend ,,,,,,,called them today and they said i can apeal on line ...i have done that ........also googled the said 1971 act and found in 1974 it was passed that jan1st is a bank-holiday and this was the inpreasion i had ........and beleive and this is why i have made my point
In your opinion the ticket should not have been given. Personally I have never heard of a Bank Holiday Sunday even if it was New Years Day. Just what have you hoped to gain from going to the Echo apart from your face in the paper? Should you not be standing by your 'belives' on the phone to the appeals dept,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,huuuuuuuu If indeed it should not have been issued then I am sure they will not enforce the fine. Moral of the story check first next time and if required pay your parking fee most of us do and then do not encounter such fines.
and it is great to see freedom of speech from all walk's of life big well done all the comunity can work together even thou some agree and some don't ..........we'll see the outcome
ty
Tackon
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10:03pm Tue 3 Jan 12
doc1
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10:09pm Tue 3 Jan 12
Tackon wrote:absolutly well said
If they are in the wrong and your in the right then let them take the next step.
ty
Andycal 172D
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10:55pm Tue 3 Jan 12
Nebs
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12:03am Wed 4 Jan 12
Andycal 172D wrote:To boost the local economy by spending your money locally. If it is the cost of parking that worries you, why not also save the cost of petrol and do all your shopping at home via the internet.
Strangely enough there are no parking costs 365 days a year at Bluewater or Lakeside. No parking tickets either - so why should I shop in Southend High Street with its miniscule selection of shops?
APR
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11:12am Wed 4 Jan 12
Andycal 172D wrote:I've never been to either.
Strangely enough there are no parking costs 365 days a year at Bluewater or Lakeside. No parking tickets either - so why should I shop in Southend High Street with its miniscule selection of shops?
Strange as it may seem, people go to these places for a day out, not even having the intention of buying anything (initially anyway).
What a way to spend your leisure time, looking around shops.
Tackon
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3:42pm Wed 4 Jan 12
Nebs wrote:Iv always wondered how boosting the local economy actually helps us?
Andycal 172D wrote:To boost the local economy by spending your money locally. If it is the cost of parking that worries you, why not also save the cost of petrol and do all your shopping at home via the internet.
Strangely enough there are no parking costs 365 days a year at Bluewater or Lakeside. No parking tickets either - so why should I shop in Southend High Street with its miniscule selection of shops?
Eutraveller
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6:47pm Wed 4 Jan 12
General note APCOA pay minimum wage for people to be on the street early hours of new years day and other such days, they make plenty money and staff and SBC get little. The penalised cars were not in anybodies way.
lalbrandow
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9:02pm Wed 4 Jan 12
on-street parking.
many council car parks are free on bank holidays. on-street parking is not.
had the man in question parked his car 20 feet to the left in the car park close by to where he finally left his vehicle, he would not have gotten a fine.
that would have taken time and effort though. it's easier to moan about it afterwards, isn't it?
read the machines of the area you park in. doesn't take five minutes and will save you 50 quid.
who looks stupid now? clue: isn't me.
doc1
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9:36pm Wed 4 Jan 12
lalbrandow wrote:correction my fine freind the car park you sugested to use as a free on bank holidays was also targeted by many cars on the front row as we drove past had also yellow parking fine/ticketts on them so please don't call any one stupid if you did not see it you would not have knowen ,but alas you have been put stright now havent you ....................
whilst you are amusing yourselves discussing the finer intricacies of bank holidays, and whether they are really a bank holiday or not, you are missing one of the points of the article. on-street parking. many council car parks are free on bank holidays. on-street parking is not. had the man in question parked his car 20 feet to the left in the car park close by to where he finally left his vehicle, he would not have gotten a fine. that would have taken time and effort though. it's easier to moan about it afterwards, isn't it? read the machines of the area you park in. doesn't take five minutes and will save you 50 quid. who looks stupid now? clue: isn't me.
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ty
the whole point is why feed a machine if it states free parking on bank holiday's ,,,fact i did check it out and i have all ways underestood that jan 1st new years day is a bank holiday therefore the ticketts should have not been isued ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and the wardens are there to do a job for the ones parking on double yellow'w ect
not cars parked in correct parking bay's and next to machines stating free parking on bank holidays
point made hope this helps the one's who are still confused
ty
Diandra Lanson
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1:10pm Thu 5 Jan 12
On one ocassion I was challenging a parking ticket (3yrs ago I had bought one but the idjut warden didnt see it!) and I was clamped and money extorted from me by blackmail, even though the Council confirmed to the clamper that the matter was in issue....I was conned out of over £800 to get my car released and i am still fighting it....sorry High Street stores, but you only have the Council to blame!
r6keith
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2:41pm Thu 5 Jan 12
Please tell us more if this is true then surely must have made a claim from the Boroughs insurance for the major loss you had incurred" What did our shoddy road works do to your van that cost the £5500 loss you are implying ?
Sarfchurch67
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4:03pm Thu 5 Jan 12
Sarfchurch67
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4:03pm Thu 5 Jan 12
muffindamule
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9:58pm Thu 5 Jan 12
You'll have to do more than just try Mr. Lewis. If there has been a mistake then it must be rectified . Simply trying is not good enough !
Cockle
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11:30pm Thu 5 Jan 12
Of course, some bank workers in the bank call centres in the town will tell you that the banks do now open for business on all Sundays, Christmas Day and Good Friday, and all Bank Holidays; they will also tell you that they are also only paid single time for working those days, unlike many others......
CaPPsiE
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10:07pm Fri 6 Jan 12
I do agree it is extremely bad PR for the Council to bludgeon the blissfully ignorant Joseph Public on this occasion, as to me it seems a trifling technicality. But as always, and according to Mr Plod, ignorance is no excuse. But in this case, I fully empathise with those whom were stung.
I feel the council at the very least, could improve the signage, so as to be explicit, thus nothing is implied or assumed.
doc1
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10:56pm Fri 6 Jan 12
r6keith wrote:claim i did got a form put through my door ,filled in ,returned by hand,
doc1 wrote" a few years ago it cost me over £5500 to replace my van due to shuddy road work's on southend roads so if i feel like sticking to my belives i WILL" Please tell us more if this is true then surely must have made a claim from the Boroughs insurance for the major loss you had incurred" What did our shoddy road works do to your van that cost the £5500 loss you are implying ?
past to subcontrator who past it onto theire subcontractor who past it to theire insurance ,assesor checked van at garage ,age of van but did agree you can see on the subframe collision with raised manhole so did not THINK this was the reason for the engine to fail 3 days after colission= verdict i had to replace van with other ,buy doner van for engine paid for engine change sold van at a loss ,,this is the short version place of incedent london road when bus lanes where being developed at hamlet curt lights ,tarmack had been removed to concrete level man holes exposed and left very high many cars had inpacted on some of them
case closed jst left to get on with it
aprox 10 years ago hope this helps
ty
doc1
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10:56pm Fri 6 Jan 12
r6keith wrote:claim i did got a form put through my door ,filled in ,returned by hand,
doc1 wrote" a few years ago it cost me over £5500 to replace my van due to shuddy road work's on southend roads so if i feel like sticking to my belives i WILL" Please tell us more if this is true then surely must have made a claim from the Boroughs insurance for the major loss you had incurred" What did our shoddy road works do to your van that cost the £5500 loss you are implying ?
past to subcontrator who past it onto theire subcontractor who past it to theire insurance ,assesor checked van at garage ,age of van but did agree you can see on the subframe collision with raised manhole so did not THINK this was the reason for the engine to fail 3 days after colission= verdict i had to replace van with other ,buy doner van for engine paid for engine change sold van at a loss ,,this is the short version place of incedent london road when bus lanes where being developed at hamlet curt lights ,tarmack had been removed to concrete level man holes exposed and left very high many cars had inpacted on some of them
case closed jst left to get on with it
aprox 10 years ago hope this helps
ty
Roy_Baty
says...
11:29am Sat 7 Jan 12
Eutraveller wrote:If you don't want to be fined don't park illegally.
Why is it that SBC has become the emeny of the town instead of giving us what we want. I can never remember voting for war on motorists or using yellow paint unnecesarily as a tax collection tool, which has killed hundreds of small traders. Yellow lines were supposed to keep traffic moving, now traffic schemes block roads and yellow lines collect taxes. As for APCOA. why should a large portion of parking fines go to private contractors, who gave SBC the right to give away our money ( taken rightly or wrongly). It is now a major disgrace. Get rid of APCOA and the spy cars, wipe out all unnecessary yellow lines, more than 50 % are not about traffic flow and should not be in place. Get rid of most parking taxes, the eeason out of town shopping exists is through idiotic parking charges in town, go to lakeside, from southend its cheaper than paying to park.
General note APCOA pay minimum wage for people to be on the street early hours of new years day and other such days, they make plenty money and staff and SBC get little. The penalised cars were not in anybodies way.
Roy_Baty
says...
11:31am Sat 7 Jan 12
Dave_ wrote:Quite right, these petty illegal parkers who get outraged when they're caught wind me up.
Face facts motorists are easy targets and traffic wardens are essentially automatons and not employed as free thinking individuals. If they were there would be all manner of I wonder what they were on to work New Year’s Day, double time, triple time, day in lieu?
Whether it’s considered as news or not is another matter. I think it’s right that this sort of petty mindedness is highlighted.
Tackon
says...
5:09pm Sun 8 Jan 12
Roy_Baty wrote:if you dont want to pay exuberant prices for petrol dont drive a car, if you dont want to be vat'ed to death dont shop.
Eutraveller wrote:If you don't want to be fined don't park illegally.
Why is it that SBC has become the emeny of the town instead of giving us what we want. I can never remember voting for war on motorists or using yellow paint unnecesarily as a tax collection tool, which has killed hundreds of small traders. Yellow lines were supposed to keep traffic moving, now traffic schemes block roads and yellow lines collect taxes. As for APCOA. why should a large portion of parking fines go to private contractors, who gave SBC the right to give away our money ( taken rightly or wrongly). It is now a major disgrace. Get rid of APCOA and the spy cars, wipe out all unnecessary yellow lines, more than 50 % are not about traffic flow and should not be in place. Get rid of most parking taxes, the eeason out of town shopping exists is through idiotic parking charges in town, go to lakeside, from southend its cheaper than paying to park.
General note APCOA pay minimum wage for people to be on the street early hours of new years day and other such days, they make plenty money and staff and SBC get little. The penalised cars were not in anybodies way.
zaedlo
says...
8:55pm Sun 8 Jan 12
Tackon wrote:Its our right to complain, people are sick of being ripped off by our greedy council, I suppose you say nothing and pay up ? I think not.
Roy_Baty wrote:if you dont want to pay exuberant prices for petrol dont drive a car, if you dont want to be vat'ed to death dont shop.
Eutraveller wrote:If you don't want to be fined don't park illegally.
Why is it that SBC has become the emeny of the town instead of giving us what we want. I can never remember voting for war on motorists or using yellow paint unnecesarily as a tax collection tool, which has killed hundreds of small traders. Yellow lines were supposed to keep traffic moving, now traffic schemes block roads and yellow lines collect taxes. As for APCOA. why should a large portion of parking fines go to private contractors, who gave SBC the right to give away our money ( taken rightly or wrongly). It is now a major disgrace. Get rid of APCOA and the spy cars, wipe out all unnecessary yellow lines, more than 50 % are not about traffic flow and should not be in place. Get rid of most parking taxes, the eeason out of town shopping exists is through idiotic parking charges in town, go to lakeside, from southend its cheaper than paying to park.
General note APCOA pay minimum wage for people to be on the street early hours of new years day and other such days, they make plenty money and staff and SBC get little. The penalised cars were not in anybodies way.
Tackon
says...
1:30am Mon 9 Jan 12
zaedlo wrote:my point was, if we follow the "if you dont want to pay a fine yak yak yak" then we wouldn't be able to do anything
Tackon wrote:Its our right to complain, people are sick of being ripped off by our greedy council, I suppose you say nothing and pay up ? I think not.
Roy_Baty wrote:if you dont want to pay exuberant prices for petrol dont drive a car, if you dont want to be vat'ed to death dont shop.
Eutraveller wrote:If you don't want to be fined don't park illegally.
Why is it that SBC has become the emeny of the town instead of giving us what we want. I can never remember voting for war on motorists or using yellow paint unnecesarily as a tax collection tool, which has killed hundreds of small traders. Yellow lines were supposed to keep traffic moving, now traffic schemes block roads and yellow lines collect taxes. As for APCOA. why should a large portion of parking fines go to private contractors, who gave SBC the right to give away our money ( taken rightly or wrongly). It is now a major disgrace. Get rid of APCOA and the spy cars, wipe out all unnecessary yellow lines, more than 50 % are not about traffic flow and should not be in place. Get rid of most parking taxes, the eeason out of town shopping exists is through idiotic parking charges in town, go to lakeside, from southend its cheaper than paying to park.
General note APCOA pay minimum wage for people to be on the street early hours of new years day and other such days, they make plenty money and staff and SBC get little. The penalised cars were not in anybodies way.
Roy_Baty
says...
8:27am Mon 9 Jan 12
Tackon wrote:Are you serious? You think it's ok to break the law? Small crimes lead to bigger crimes, that's a fact. I don't want to live in a society where it is seen as ok to break the law.
zaedlo wrote:my point was, if we follow the "if you dont want to pay a fine yak yak yak" then we wouldn't be able to do anything
Tackon wrote:Its our right to complain, people are sick of being ripped off by our greedy council, I suppose you say nothing and pay up ? I think not.
Roy_Baty wrote:if you dont want to pay exuberant prices for petrol dont drive a car, if you dont want to be vat'ed to death dont shop.
Eutraveller wrote:If you don't want to be fined don't park illegally.
Why is it that SBC has become the emeny of the town instead of giving us what we want. I can never remember voting for war on motorists or using yellow paint unnecesarily as a tax collection tool, which has killed hundreds of small traders. Yellow lines were supposed to keep traffic moving, now traffic schemes block roads and yellow lines collect taxes. As for APCOA. why should a large portion of parking fines go to private contractors, who gave SBC the right to give away our money ( taken rightly or wrongly). It is now a major disgrace. Get rid of APCOA and the spy cars, wipe out all unnecessary yellow lines, more than 50 % are not about traffic flow and should not be in place. Get rid of most parking taxes, the eeason out of town shopping exists is through idiotic parking charges in town, go to lakeside, from southend its cheaper than paying to park.
General note APCOA pay minimum wage for people to be on the street early hours of new years day and other such days, they make plenty money and staff and SBC get little. The penalised cars were not in anybodies way.
al coniston says...
3:24pm Tue 3 Jan 12