Shortened streetlights on A127 to allow for Southend Airport runway (From Echo)

I wondered why the new street lights around the new road were so different.

However the new road design for turning right at the roundabout is very confusing and awkward if you drive from the London direction you need to use the roundabout exit not the slip road.

Very confusing!!

If you follow the direction signs to your intended location its very easy and if you did find it diffulcult the first time, the next time you go there you know where to go and what to do, simples ! I have used this regularly since it opened and no problems, I do think the lanes on the roundabout on the three lane side are a bit narrow but if approached with consideration to others are not a problem.........!

SAEN where are you ? I miss you not

"Plus, television aerials will also have to go from homes in the flight path.

Some residents in the surrounding area have already received letters asking them to remove their aerials because of aviation regulations."

If a plane is so low it'll hit a TV aerial, I would imagine the aerial would be the least of its worries.

How ridiculous.

Around october time i saw a black propeller plane making very low approches from different angles into the airport within a week the trees at the junction of the 127 and westbourne grove were gone. Truely if planes are coming in that low saen were indeed right, who would wat to live anywhere planes are so low you have to remove your tv ariel

westcliff willi wrote:
Around october time i saw a black propeller plane making very low approches from different angles into the airport within a week the trees at the junction of the 127 and westbourne grove were gone. Truely if planes are coming in that low saen were indeed right, who would wat to live anywhere planes are so low you have to remove your tv ariel

those fokkers were messerschmidts.....

Now all the things never made generally known are coming to light (excuse the pun)
Cllr Graham Longly must surly have been aware that this would happen to the trees and road lights. I believe he was a stringent supporter of the runway extension…..was he not!

having shorter streetlights and the like isn't a new and revolutionary idea regarding proximity to airfields though. This is a bit of a non story really.

Holy smoke, how low are these planes going to fly? I heard a rumour that all the houses within a mile radius were going to have the top floors removed and turned into bungalows! Maybe they should have thought about building a new airport in say...the estuary? No wait...that is a silly idea.

What does it matter how high the street lights are. They are going to turn them off at night to save money anyway.

Nebs wrote:
What does it matter how high the street lights are. They are going to turn them off at night to save money anyway.

Hope that wasn't a serious comment.

Nebs wrote:
What does it matter how high the street lights are. They are going to turn them off at night to save money anyway.

Are you the saen press officer?

As SBC have never said they are going to turn the streets lights off at night. Are are you just one of those that like to throw rumours about to see how far they go.

Would you please provide everdence to your "Council turning street lights off" remark as I would be intrested to see it.

this wasn't in the public consultation/PR delivery for stobarts soon to be defunct airport..

where is the silent majority when SBC/stobarts need them?

and who is paying for all this? I bet my left sock its not stobart! its our local wet blanket, up to debt to the eyeballs council. spending our money for stobarts shareholders while local small businesses go to the wall.. where is the council investment to support those jobs? and are stobarts going to pay for the removal/replacement of TV areals?

jayman wrote:
this wasn't in the public consultation/PR delivery for stobarts soon to be defunct airport..

where is the silent majority when SBC/stobarts need them?

and who is paying for all this? I bet my left sock its not stobart! its our local wet blanket, up to debt to the eyeballs council. spending our money for stobarts shareholders while local small businesses go to the wall.. where is the council investment to support those jobs? and are stobarts going to pay for the removal/replacement of TV areals?

in this digital era when a high percentage of signals are received by satellite dishes/cable, i shouldn't think too many aerials will require replacing !!

westcliff willi wrote:
Around october time i saw a black propeller plane making very low approches from different angles into the airport within a week the trees at the junction of the 127 and westbourne grove were gone. Truely if planes are coming in that low saen were indeed right, who would wat to live anywhere planes are so low you have to remove your tv ariel

This plane was setting and calibrating the ILS system at the airport.

If you look at the end of the new extended runway you will notice a slight upwards slant to it. without this tilt it would have been more than ariels and lampposts that would have to go. Im so glad I live in a bungalow!

Max Impact wrote:

Nebs wrote:
What does it matter how high the street lights are. They are going to turn them off at night to save money anyway.

Are you the saen press officer?

As SBC have never said they are going to turn the streets lights off at night. Are are you just one of those that like to throw rumours about to see how far they go.

Would you please provide everdence to your "Council turning street lights off" remark as I would be intrested to see it.

In answer to your three questions.
No.
Sometimes and, as you will have seen before, on both sides of the argument.
I have none.
.
But when other places, who are to try the scheme, save money then others are sure to follow.

Next bit gets interesting as houses become bungalows in same area.

SARFENDMAN wrote:
Next bit gets interesting as houses become bungalows in same area.

Silly me I overlooked the fact that they will have a flat roof of course.

Nebs wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Nebs wrote: What does it matter how high the street lights are. They are going to turn them off at night to save money anyway.

Are you the saen press officer? As SBC have never said they are going to turn the streets lights off at night. Are are you just one of those that like to throw rumours about to see how far they go. Would you please provide everdence to your "Council turning street lights off" remark as I would be intrested to see it.

In answer to your three questions. No. Sometimes and, as you will have seen before, on both sides of the argument. I have none. . But when other places, who are to try the scheme, save money then others are sure to follow.

At first you stated it as a "fact"

So you were either scaremongering about the street lights or lying?

Yes other places have turned off street lights but SBC have said they have absolutely no plans to do so.

If back peddling was an Olympic sport would do rather well!

jayman wrote:
this wasn't in the public consultation/PR delivery for stobarts soon to be defunct airport.. where is the silent majority when SBC/stobarts need them? and who is paying for all this? I bet my left sock its not stobart! its our local wet blanket, up to debt to the eyeballs council. spending our money for stobarts shareholders while local small businesses go to the wall.. where is the council investment to support those jobs? and are stobarts going to pay for the removal/replacement of TV areals?

Stobarts paid as its airport related,

Stobarts said they would pay for replacing TV aerials with satellite dishes with the free to air service according to the report in the Echo a few weeks back, (can’t seem to find it on the search function)

If you buy the Echo you would have read it yourself.

Shame people are against investment and job creation in Southend, Easyjet signed a 10 year deal, at the end if they say we don't want to fly in to Southend anymore it will remain operating as it is now as a maintanance facility and GA airport.

Max Impact wrote:

jayman wrote:
this wasn't in the public consultation/PR delivery for stobarts soon to be defunct airport.. where is the silent majority when SBC/stobarts need them? and who is paying for all this? I bet my left sock its not stobart! its our local wet blanket, up to debt to the eyeballs council. spending our money for stobarts shareholders while local small businesses go to the wall.. where is the council investment to support those jobs? and are stobarts going to pay for the removal/replacement of TV areals?

Stobarts paid as its airport related,

Stobarts said they would pay for replacing TV aerials with satellite dishes with the free to air service according to the report in the Echo a few weeks back, (can’t seem to find it on the search function)

If you buy the Echo you would have read it yourself.

Shame people are against investment and job creation in Southend, Easyjet signed a 10 year deal, at the end if they say we don't want to fly in to Southend anymore it will remain operating as it is now as a maintanance facility and GA airport.

you are so wrong max... where on earth do you get your facts? Southend council would have been obligated to pay for the works. the article you are referring to was regarding double glazing and to date stobarts have paid for no off airport infrastructure..

Nice to see you have a high opinion of your own 'facts' jayman.
Latest fact is that the airport is 'soon to be a defunct!'
Didn't you say that 'no serious airline will never fly from Southend.'?

It was the other way around for me. I got a letter asking me and my Family to move everything up to the First floor because my Ground floor will be needed for part of the arrival hall. I was devastated and went to my Lawyer. It looks as if there is nothing I can do about it.

myhumbleopinion wrote:
Nice to see you have a high opinion of your own 'facts' jayman.
Latest fact is that the airport is 'soon to be a defunct!'
Didn't you say that 'no serious airline will never fly from Southend.'?

oh behave. the only reason why the cheap airlines are even considering using our backwater is all down to limited slots at other airports.. as soon as this short term problem is dealt with by building a 21st century hub in the south east then the stobart airport will be the most up to date hobby airport and maintenance facility in the UK. rochford/southend/lo
ndon airport is just a temporary solution to the problem..

If any of you anti's bother to go up to Stansted you will notice that on the A120 at the end of the runway, the street lights have been lowered there and Stansted has a very long runway. It is not something peculiar to Southend, but part of what has now to be done these days at the end of airport runways.

'oh behave'
Who on earth do you think you are?!
Forgive me for pointing out your hypocrisy. You've been wrong many, many times before, and we'll see if you're wrong again.
The Thames Airport might be built one day, however I wonder if it will be opened in my lifetime. You saw the NIMBYism in opposition to Southend Airport's modest expansion, can you imagine the reaction over the Thames Estuary Airport???
The airport is starting to become a great success again at long last, and yet you;re still complaining!

jayman wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

jayman wrote:
this wasn't in the public consultation/PR delivery for stobarts soon to be defunct airport.. where is the silent majority when SBC/stobarts need them? and who is paying for all this? I bet my left sock its not stobart! its our local wet blanket, up to debt to the eyeballs council. spending our money for stobarts shareholders while local small businesses go to the wall.. where is the council investment to support those jobs? and are stobarts going to pay for the removal/replacement of TV areals?

Stobarts paid as its airport related,

Stobarts said they would pay for replacing TV aerials with satellite dishes with the free to air service according to the report in the Echo a few weeks back, (can’t seem to find it on the search function)

If you buy the Echo you would have read it yourself.

Shame people are against investment and job creation in Southend, Easyjet signed a 10 year deal, at the end if they say we don't want to fly in to Southend anymore it will remain operating as it is now as a maintanance facility and GA airport.

you are so wrong max... where on earth do you get your facts? Southend council would have been obligated to pay for the works. the article you are referring to was regarding double glazing and to date stobarts have paid for no off airport infrastructure..

It's classed as airport enabling works which means Stobarts have to pay for the works, without the works the airport would not be able to take the Airbuses with passengers.

The majority of the new raod was paid for by Stobarts with SBC having to pay for the footpaths and some electrical works as it was on council land and not airport land.

You are not a lamp post hugger are you, like a tree hugger only inanimate objects get you going?

I have got two bottles of Glen Garioch 1958 sitting here one is just about to be opened to celibrate the misses being preggo again the other will go away for the spogs 21st bithday.

I'm not going to get involved in a long wrangle with Jayman, but I will just point out that he totally wrong when he says that Southend's popularity with airlines is "all down to limited slots at other airports". If he took the trouble to do a simple web search he would know that his assertion is incorrect.
But then 'research' and 'the facts' have never bothered him before have they?

Norfolk wrote:
I'm not going to get involved in a long wrangle with Jayman, but I will just point out that he totally wrong when he says that Southend's popularity with airlines is "all down to limited slots at other airports". If he took the trouble to do a simple web search he would know that his assertion is incorrect.
But then 'research' and 'the facts' have never bothered him before have they?

your still wrong max. the funds for all works where paid for by SBC. you are right about the new road but that was only because the airport needed to stop up a previously existing road and divert it, only seems fair really. all else is the property of SBC and will be paid for by them.. i draw my info on flight slots from the air industry itself calling for a new airport as quoted in an article regarding the recent isle of grain proposal..

From some of his previous posts j, it seems that Norfolk is an expert himself in these matters. Something jayman which you are certainly not!

Any airport in the Thames Esturay is 30+ years away, None of the big airlines operating out of Heathrow support it some have actually said they would boycott it and relocate all long haul services out of London to mainland Europe and the risk of bird strikes will be 12% higher than any other UK airport, the CAA will have something to say about that issue.

As for the lights they were paid for by Stobarts acording to the workmen I spoke to.

The truth is very distorted by those with a grudge against the airport:

WHo could forget these "facts"


•Eastwoodbury Lane closed
(its been diverted how many of those against the investment and jobs being created have used it and not gone the long way round)


•Public Safety Zones appear not to be taken seriously.
(New short street lights, TV aerials removed, new security fencing, consealed CCTV to name but a few)

and the biggest whopper of all...

•A plane low over your house every 5 minutes at busy times.
(excluding the Ford Air flight)
70 easyjets a week with NO scheduled movements between 11:00pm–6:30am this equates in to a 90% reduction of permitted night flights so lets do some maths 70 flights over 7 days is 10 a day, less than what Heathrow has in an hour.

What you find 99% of those bleating about the airport will use another airport quite happily, one freak even said he would pay more to fly from any other airport other than Southend even if it means driving hours to that airport instead of five minutes to Southend! What a wally.

Most of the developments at the airport have been paid for by Southend council taxpayers.

The Council has contributed large sums towards the station, the air traffic control tower, the road and the hotel.

There will never be an airport inthe Estuary. Richard Montgomery has seen to that. And if it blowes it will be felt at Southend Airport too !

There will never be an airport inthe Estuary. Richard Montgomery has seen to that. And if it blowes it will be felt at Southend Airport too !

Laurence Ward wrote:
Most of the developments at the airport have been paid for by Southend council taxpayers.

The Council has contributed large sums towards the station, the air traffic control tower, the road and the hotel.

Indeed, and what an effective way to spend such money, as through the multiplier effect will be worth a fortune to the local area. Money very well spent.
Of course this is all sourced from funds put aside for the airport. Hardly 'taxpayers money' which would've/should've been spent elsewhere.

jolllyboy wrote:
There will never be an airport inthe Estuary. Richard Montgomery has seen to that. And if it blowes it will be felt at Southend Airport too !

It would be more because of the risk of bird strikes, and bad weather.

Laurence Ward wrote:
Most of the developments at the airport have been paid for by Southend council taxpayers.

The Council has contributed large sums towards the station, the air traffic control tower, the road and the hotel.

Incorrect......

jayman wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

jayman wrote:
this wasn't in the public consultation/PR delivery for stobarts soon to be defunct airport.. where is the silent majority when SBC/stobarts need them? and who is paying for all this? I bet my left sock its not stobart! its our local wet blanket, up to debt to the eyeballs council. spending our money for stobarts shareholders while local small businesses go to the wall.. where is the council investment to support those jobs? and are stobarts going to pay for the removal/replacement of TV areals?

Stobarts paid as its airport related,

Stobarts said they would pay for replacing TV aerials with satellite dishes with the free to air service according to the report in the Echo a few weeks back, (can’t seem to find it on the search function)

If you buy the Echo you would have read it yourself.

Shame people are against investment and job creation in Southend, Easyjet signed a 10 year deal, at the end if they say we don't want to fly in to Southend anymore it will remain operating as it is now as a maintanance facility and GA airport.

you are so wrong max... where on earth do you get your facts? Southend council would have been obligated to pay for the works. the article you are referring to was regarding double glazing and to date stobarts have paid for no off airport infrastructure..

Incorrect...

jayman wrote:

Norfolk wrote:
I'm not going to get involved in a long wrangle with Jayman, but I will just point out that he totally wrong when he says that Southend's popularity with airlines is "all down to limited slots at other airports". If he took the trouble to do a simple web search he would know that his assertion is incorrect.
But then 'research' and 'the facts' have never bothered him before have they?

your still wrong max. the funds for all works where paid for by SBC. you are right about the new road but that was only because the airport needed to stop up a previously existing road and divert it, only seems fair really. all else is the property of SBC and will be paid for by them.. i draw my info on flight slots from the air industry itself calling for a new airport as quoted in an article regarding the recent isle of grain proposal..

Incorrect......

jayman wrote:

myhumbleopinion wrote:
Nice to see you have a high opinion of your own 'facts' jayman.
Latest fact is that the airport is 'soon to be a defunct!'
Didn't you say that 'no serious airline will never fly from Southend.'?

oh behave. the only reason why the cheap airlines are even considering using our backwater is all down to limited slots at other airports.. as soon as this short term problem is dealt with by building a 21st century hub in the south east then the stobart airport will be the most up to date hobby airport and maintenance facility in the UK. rochford/southend/lo

ndon airport is just a temporary solution to the problem..

Are you somebody who likes to garner a reaction, or are you just plain thick? If you did your research you would see that your point is not true. The three EasyJet aircraft which will be based at SEN from April have been moved from Stansted - which is known to have been operating a fair bit UNDER CAPACITY since at least 2007. There are certainly not limited slots there.

*sigh*, you really will come up with any old inaccurate nonsense to get your point across. In reality, you just look like a mug!

And whilst I don't doubt for a second that SBC have contributed a small proportion of money to airport and airport border works (the town will prosper from this so it is in their best interests to support it), 90% of the money will have come from Stobarts, who will have been required and obliged to pay for the enabling works.

jayman wrote:

myhumbleopinion wrote:
Nice to see you have a high opinion of your own 'facts' jayman.
Latest fact is that the airport is 'soon to be a defunct!'
Didn't you say that 'no serious airline will never fly from Southend.'?

oh behave. the only reason why the cheap airlines are even considering using our backwater is all down to limited slots at other airports.. as soon as this short term problem is dealt with by building a 21st century hub in the south east then the stobart airport will be the most up to date hobby airport and maintenance facility in the UK. rochford/southend/lo

ndon airport is just a temporary solution to the problem..

Are you somebody who likes to garner a reaction, or are you just plain thick? If you did your research you would see that your point is not true. The three EasyJet aircraft which will be based at SEN from April have been moved from Stansted - which is known to have been operating a fair bit UNDER CAPACITY since at least 2007. There are certainly not limited slots there.

*sigh*, you really will come up with any old inaccurate nonsense to get your point across. In reality, you just look like a mug!

And whilst I don't doubt for a second that SBC have contributed a small proportion of money to airport and airport border works (the town will prosper from this so it is in their best interests to support it), 90% of the money will have come from Stobarts, who will have been required and obliged to pay for the enabling works.

Laurence Ward wrote:
Most of the developments at the airport have been paid for by Southend council taxpayers. The Council has contributed large sums towards the station, the air traffic control tower, the road and the hotel.

When will people get it in to their one dimensional blinkerd brainwashed brains.

The land the retail estate sits on was sold with the money going into a fund, rates from these buildings and from the companies operating on the airport all go into a fund specifically for airports works NO council tax money is paid into the account no money in the account is spent on other projects in and around the town. Any works relating to the safe operating of the airport are paid for by Stobarts.

The regulations set down by the CAA do not specify who has to pay it just sets out the regulations that have to be compiled with for the airport to gain its safety certificate.

The CAP's are all viewable online (Jayman you seem to have plenty of time you can go through them for everyone)

Max Impact wrote:

Laurence Ward wrote:
Most of the developments at the airport have been paid for by Southend council taxpayers. The Council has contributed large sums towards the station, the air traffic control tower, the road and the hotel.

When will people get it in to their one dimensional blinkerd brainwashed brains.

The land the retail estate sits on was sold with the money going into a fund, rates from these buildings and from the companies operating on the airport all go into a fund specifically for airports works NO council tax money is paid into the account no money in the account is spent on other projects in and around the town. Any works relating to the safe operating of the airport are paid for by Stobarts.

The regulations set down by the CAA do not specify who has to pay it just sets out the regulations that have to be compiled with for the airport to gain its safety certificate.

The CAP's are all viewable online (Jayman you seem to have plenty of time you can go through them for everyone)

max. that money has been spent several times over.. and who wanted the money to be used for the airport in the first place? SBC! when Southend borough is in massive debt they still consider this punt on mass transport to be beneficial to the here and now.. the council is 200 million + in debt and the long term viability of a small airport is always going to be in question and at threat of being superseded by another airport development.

in regards to the above, no assurance can be given that the tax payer (us) will ever see a return on our tax and asset sale (colossal) investment. a real investment in the future would have been an investment in our ailing schools, road infrastructure and local businesses.

Max Impact wrote:

Laurence Ward wrote:
Most of the developments at the airport have been paid for by Southend council taxpayers. The Council has contributed large sums towards the station, the air traffic control tower, the road and the hotel.

When will people get it in to their one dimensional blinkerd brainwashed brains.

The land the retail estate sits on was sold with the money going into a fund, rates from these buildings and from the companies operating on the airport all go into a fund specifically for airports works NO council tax money is paid into the account no money in the account is spent on other projects in and around the town. Any works relating to the safe operating of the airport are paid for by Stobarts.

The regulations set down by the CAA do not specify who has to pay it just sets out the regulations that have to be compiled with for the airport to gain its safety certificate.

The CAP's are all viewable online (Jayman you seem to have plenty of time you can go through them for everyone)

yes max.. but its not the most reader friendly document in the world. its an excel document that makes no sense and lacks an itemised list of what the money was used for.. it just shows sums and company names.. not what the money was wasted on..

its like reading a map without a legend.. but why would the council want us to find out what has been paid for? its all among all the redacted expenditures which also adds a lack of transparency and accountability..

Southend-on-Sea Borough Council http://statistics.da
ta.gov.uk/id/local-a
uthority/00KF Central Services GFCAP Supplies and Services 03/08/2010 1716841

£314465.63 Capital London Southend Airport Co Ltd

i wonder what Southend council paid for on this occasion? there are many, many more..

VANGE LES wrote:

Nebs wrote: What does it matter how high the street lights are. They are going to turn them off at night to save money anyway.

Hope that wasn't a serious comment.

There is another story on here about police using night vision goggles - it does make you wonder...

jayman wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Laurence Ward wrote: Most of the developments at the airport have been paid for by Southend council taxpayers. The Council has contributed large sums towards the station, the air traffic control tower, the road and the hotel.

When will people get it in to their one dimensional blinkerd brainwashed brains. The land the retail estate sits on was sold with the money going into a fund, rates from these buildings and from the companies operating on the airport all go into a fund specifically for airports works NO council tax money is paid into the account no money in the account is spent on other projects in and around the town. Any works relating to the safe operating of the airport are paid for by Stobarts. The regulations set down by the CAA do not specify who has to pay it just sets out the regulations that have to be compiled with for the airport to gain its safety certificate. The CAP's are all viewable online (Jayman you seem to have plenty of time you can go through them for everyone)

yes max.. but its not the most reader friendly document in the world. its an excel document that makes no sense and lacks an itemised list of what the money was used for.. it just shows sums and company names.. not what the money was wasted on.. its like reading a map without a legend.. but why would the council want us to find out what has been paid for? its all among all the redacted expenditures which also adds a lack of transparency and accountability..

WTF are you on man.

A CAP is simple to understand, it's NOT an excel document its a PDF File.

Th refrence to the funds the pot is always being topped up as the rents from the shops and airport based operators are paid in to the account, so as long as there are firms operating the pot is still taking money HOW MANY TIME DO YOU NEED TELLING.

no max.. unlike you I do not work for the council or the airport.

the council sold a lease for the airport land for 150 years for £1..... that's all the council are getting in the short term. the council are banking on a miracle here. if you would care to put in the same effort I have and prove that the council are in receipt of rents from the airport matching the expenditure to date and provide a link then I would be genuinely interested to see it!

http://rochford.jdi-
consult.net/jaap/vie
wreps.php?docelemid=
24596&docid=166

a bit of information for everyone to reflect upon. this is the representations from the JAAP at the start of this debacle.. interesting read!

How many times do you telling before it gets through your thick skull I do NOT repeat NOT work for the council or the airport.

I am a marine engineer,

You are Anti-airport through and through you are also a hypocrite saying Grain is a good thing you can't support one airport whilst slagging the other off just because planes might fly over your house, you lot in the anti airport group are always hypocrites your more than happy to fly from an airport with the planes flying over somebodys house the second somebody plans to do it to you than its wrong wrong wrong.

The airport was there long before the vast majority of the people who are now living in the houses they are in.

So tell us why are you so anti Southend Airport you do know its one of the biggest employment centres in Southend don't you, it pays a whole wedge of cash to the local ecommony each and every year, the vast majority of people working on the airport live with in 10-15miles of the airport, the majority of the works undertaken are from South-east based companies all in all the local area has had massive boost thanks to the airport expanding.

Whilst you a your small band seem to hate jobs being created and private money being invested, the majority are supporting job creation and private investment.

Max Impact wrote:
How many times do you telling before it gets through your thick skull I do NOT repeat NOT work for the council or the airport.

I am a marine engineer,

You are Anti-airport through and through you are also a hypocrite saying Grain is a good thing you can't support one airport whilst slagging the other off just because planes might fly over your house, you lot in the anti airport group are always hypocrites your more than happy to fly from an airport with the planes flying over somebodys house the second somebody plans to do it to you than its wrong wrong wrong.

The airport was there long before the vast majority of the people who are now living in the houses they are in.

So tell us why are you so anti Southend Airport you do know its one of the biggest employment centres in Southend don't you, it pays a whole wedge of cash to the local ecommony each and every year, the vast majority of people working on the airport live with in 10-15miles of the airport, the majority of the works undertaken are from South-east based companies all in all the local area has had massive boost thanks to the airport expanding.

Whilst you a your small band seem to hate jobs being created and private money being invested, the majority are supporting job creation and private investment.

small band... did you see the level of objections at the JAAP. i would say the voice of local people with legitimate concerns was kicked into the long grass a long time ago. I for one cant wait for one of our local independent council officials to ask some uncomfortable questions and start digging around the council records.. may prove interesting, then they can publish a press release or post on-line so we can for once get to the whole truth.

A lot were from the same households just everyone living there making the same negative comments word for word letter for letter farcial way to boost the anti numbers.

As for the indipendents never met one I would vote for.

Why do some of the council members keep saying "vote for us and we will ban night flights" when the new operating contracr is signed seald and deliverd and cant be changed by the council without agreement fromt he airport operaters until the next review.

jayman wrote:

Max Impact wrote: How many times do you telling before it gets through your thick skull I do NOT repeat NOT work for the council or the airport. I am a marine engineer, You are Anti-airport through and through you are also a hypocrite saying Grain is a good thing you can't support one airport whilst slagging the other off just because planes might fly over your house, you lot in the anti airport group are always hypocrites your more than happy to fly from an airport with the planes flying over somebodys house the second somebody plans to do it to you than its wrong wrong wrong. The airport was there long before the vast majority of the people who are now living in the houses they are in. So tell us why are you so anti Southend Airport you do know its one of the biggest employment centres in Southend don't you, it pays a whole wedge of cash to the local ecommony each and every year, the vast majority of people working on the airport live with in 10-15miles of the airport, the majority of the works undertaken are from South-east based companies all in all the local area has had massive boost thanks to the airport expanding. Whilst you a your small band seem to hate jobs being created and private money being invested, the majority are supporting job creation and private investment.

small band... did you see the level of objections at the JAAP. i would say the voice of local people with legitimate concerns was kicked into the long grass a long time ago. I for one cant wait for one of our local independent council officials to ask some uncomfortable questions and start digging around the council records.. may prove interesting, then they can publish a press release or post on-line so we can for once get to the whole truth.

Small band I think thats a very geneous title for the actual tiny size of the anti airport crew ......

Strage how it’s the same old name (jayman) that seems to be the only real anti posting here these days.

What ever happened to campbellsdad (remember him!) even Denis Walker has gone quiet.

Perhaps they have seen the FACT that the airport developments are all legal and the major parts are all fully funded such as the Station, Terminal, Tower, most of the road and the works around the airport such as the street lights were all paid for by Stobarts.

Perhaps they actually took in what I said ages ago about losing the respect and support of the people of Southend forcing the council tax payers to fork out £510000 in a wasted court campaign to prove the council acted unlawfully in granting permission for the works to proceed.

We had to fork out for appeal after appeal after appeal.

All along I said why not drop the court action which was a pointless and expensive waste of time and instead of court accept the fact that the council had followed the planning laws to the letter and not put a foot wrong and…

Act as a monitoring group keep detailed records of aircraft movements what time they arrive, what time they take off, buy themselves some sound monitoring equipment and take reading as the aircraft come in and out, have it all checked by an independent inspector and publish their results on their website, no matter if the recordings fall within the permitted guideline restrictions for noise and times of operations.

I made this recommendation about two years ago and have done ever since.

The comment about saen losing respect and support for their failed court campaign is just my view but I’m sure I am not the only one who thinks along the same lines, thing is I’m not scared to say what I think.

Told the director of the company I work for what I thought about him and his crazy plans for changing the way our section is funded and run last week… amazingly I’m not looking for a new job but a promotion! As he likes people that speak their mind and are not “yes sir people” as he put it.

What will people say when...

4 scheduled A319/737 departures take off between 6:30 and 7:30am!

Oh look, there's a scheduled A319/737 taking off?