Southend Council set to oppose Boris's Thames Estuary airport (From Echo)

The meeting at Leigh last week was not as well attended as I thought it would be. Maybe people just don't care. Another meeting is likely at Canvey, if you couldn't get to the Leigh meeting then you should go to the Canvey one.
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As well as opposing the airport there needs to be a Plan B, to concentrate on what is done if it gets the go ahead.

The picture IS NOT representative of Boris's plans . . . that is Lord Fosters plan !! Boris island is much further down the Thames Estuary and away from the Essex coast.

Echo fail (again)

al coniston wrote:
The picture IS NOT representative of Boris's plans . . . that is Lord Fosters plan !! Boris island is much further down the Thames Estuary and away from the Essex coast.

Echo fail (again)

Foster's plan IS what BoJo wants. Both Foster and Johnson can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. If they want to totally destroy and pollute an area then they can pi$$ off and do it in their own back yards.

I am sure that SAEN would be quite happy to let SBC use their letters of objection & just change the names. It would save them the time & money in producing them; they seem to be using mostly the same reasons for opposing the Estuary Airport as SAEN used to oppose the Southend extension.

All councillers who voted for Southend with its non polluting and silent aircraft
Whay could be the problem with estuary airport?????
Is the boot now on the other foot, the new proposed airport with its great job opportunities and improved infrastructure must be good for the area.

How big is it supposed to be? In that picture it looks to be about four times bigger than Canvey Island which would make it almost six times bigger than Heathrow!!

News Bunny wrote:
How big is it supposed to be? In that picture it looks to be about four times bigger than Canvey Island which would make it almost six times bigger than Heathrow!!

That's right. This thing, if built, will be much, much larger than Heathrow.

Roy_Baty wrote:

News Bunny wrote:
How big is it supposed to be? In that picture it looks to be about four times bigger than Canvey Island which would make it almost six times bigger than Heathrow!!

That's right. This thing, if built, will be much, much larger than Heathrow.

Why so big? Heathrow has two runways and this four so it should surely only be 2x the size of Heathrow not 7x...

except it will bring no benefits to the area, unlike Southend airport which provides local jobs and the benefit of a good, local, regional airport.
With the Thames airport we will get noise and a blot on the landscape but that landscape will be on the other side of the thames so no benefit to Southend dwellers at all, unless you want to swim to work everyday.

that's the travellers' new polt that Basildon Council have been told to provide shown in that artist's impression, allegedly

supporter1 wrote:
All councillers who voted for Southend with its non polluting and silent aircraft
Whay could be the problem with estuary airport?????
Is the boot now on the other foot, the new proposed airport with its great job opportunities and improved infrastructure must be good for the area.

It will be on the other side of the estuary and will kill off Southend airport and all related businesses and jobs. How is that good for the area?

6 years to physically build maybe, but based on the time taken to silence a VERY small vocal group for Southend Airport which was an existing Airport and only a 300m extension, with just a station to build, not new High Speed links.
Passify any Wildlife experts and remove the Montgomery.
I cant see it happening in this decade or the next.
It's not going to happen.
I can see a second runway at Gatwick post 2019.

Roy_Baty wrote:

supporter1 wrote:
All councillers who voted for Southend with its non polluting and silent aircraft
Whay could be the problem with estuary airport?????
Is the boot now on the other foot, the new proposed airport with its great job opportunities and improved infrastructure must be good for the area.

It will be on the other side of the estuary and will kill off Southend airport and all related businesses and jobs. How is that good for the area?

Maybe the country is bigger than Southend, perhaps. The argument for Southend airport was jobs and business links, and this is no different. You can't have your cake and eat it, so I would suggest people take off their blinkers and remember that there is life outside of Southend, and even Essex.
Southend needed a bigger local airport, apparently, and the country needs bigger main airports, apparently.
Seeing a view NIMBY comments come up on here, especially from the anti-NIMBYS!

Balexan wrote:

Roy_Baty wrote:

supporter1 wrote:
All councillers who voted for Southend with its non polluting and silent aircraft
Whay could be the problem with estuary airport?????
Is the boot now on the other foot, the new proposed airport with its great job opportunities and improved infrastructure must be good for the area.

It will be on the other side of the estuary and will kill off Southend airport and all related businesses and jobs. How is that good for the area?

Maybe the country is bigger than Southend, perhaps. The argument for Southend airport was jobs and business links, and this is no different. You can't have your cake and eat it, so I would suggest people take off their blinkers and remember that there is life outside of Southend, and even Essex.
Southend needed a bigger local airport, apparently, and the country needs bigger main airports, apparently.
Seeing a view NIMBY comments come up on here, especially from the anti-NIMBYS!

So you are opposed to jobs in Southend then. I'm sure there are thousands who will thank you for that.

By the way, it isn't just jobs at the airport that will go, it will be related businesses, caterers, taxi firms, maintenance firms, parts suppliers etc. Then there will be the lost tourism, so most of the seafront will die, the town will have less income, more shops will close, more people out of work.

Such a development would kill Southend.

Still, at least you will be happy about that.

One other thing, if this government approves this plan it will kill tory support in this region stone dead.

No man is an island- exept Boris!

Stansted is still stuggling to hit it's capacity targets, and was very quiet last week when I was there. Southend will not take off as hoped by Stobart, and Luton does not need to double its passengers to 18 million a year! If you want to increase capacity, you could look at Manchester or possibly Scotland for the off-shore energy sector. We dread the road congestion around Southend in April, with the initial services probably attracting a surge in traffic on the A and B roads which surround the airfield.

rhowes wrote:
No man is an island- exept Boris!

Stansted is still stuggling to hit it's capacity targets, and was very quiet last week when I was there. Southend will not take off as hoped by Stobart, and Luton does not need to double its passengers to 18 million a year! If you want to increase capacity, you could look at Manchester or possibly Scotland for the off-shore energy sector. We dread the road congestion around Southend in April, with the initial services probably attracting a surge in traffic on the A and B roads which surround the airfield.

Exactly. Expand a midland or northern airport. What else is HS2 supposed to be for?

News Bunny wrote:

Roy_Baty wrote:

News Bunny wrote:
How big is it supposed to be? In that picture it looks to be about four times bigger than Canvey Island which would make it almost six times bigger than Heathrow!!

That's right. This thing, if built, will be much, much larger than Heathrow.

Why so big? Heathrow has two runways and this four so it should surely only be 2x the size of Heathrow not 7x...

It's the infrastructure that goes with it that takes the space; terminals, ground transport, leisure facilities (hotels etc...), stuff like that.

Roy_Baty wrote:

supporter1 wrote:
All councillers who voted for Southend with its non polluting and silent aircraft
Whay could be the problem with estuary airport?????
Is the boot now on the other foot, the new proposed airport with its great job opportunities and improved infrastructure must be good for the area.

It will be on the other side of the estuary and will kill off Southend airport and all related businesses and jobs. How is that good for the area?

It will not kill off Southend Airport. The new airport will be in a different class entirely, catering mainly for long haul and larger aircraft. Southend will be still be ideal for the smaller airlines and the easyjets of this world. It would be much more of a threat to London City airport, but only because of it location.

BASILBRUSH wrote:
6 years to physically build maybe, but based on the time taken to silence a VERY small vocal group for Southend Airport which was an existing Airport and only a 300m extension, with just a station to build, not new High Speed links.
Passify any Wildlife experts and remove the Montgomery.
I cant see it happening in this decade or the next.
It's not going to happen.
I can see a second runway at Gatwick post 2019.

Whatever happens, more runways are needed and WILL be built. Whether this will be achieved with a new airport or at existing airports, the NIMBYs had better get used to the fact.

It must be SO frustrating for Southend Councillors. All that potential for dodgy deals and backhanders and its NOT IN THEIR AREA! They just have to sit and watch it across the water...

Andycal 172D wrote:
It must be SO frustrating for Southend Councillors. All that potential for dodgy deals and backhanders and its NOT IN THEIR AREA! They just have to sit and watch it across the water...

that probably ain't far from the truth

Why waste the taxpayers money - it will never happen.

Personally, I welcome the expansion of Southend's Airport and the Thames Estuary Airport in Kent (very similar to the City Airport). It will create new prospects for the area in terms of employment & the tourism industry. Let's bring in the new...

Roy_Baty wrote:
One other thing, if this government approves this plan it will kill tory support in this region stone dead.

now that's got to be a good thing!!.

Southend airport only operates because its been the obsession of Southend council to provide unparalleled support, council cabinet time, funds, PR resources and a blind eye and a few brown envelopes to be filled with a wedge of pink Elizabeth's.

Southend airport land is council owned. the lease was sold for (one pound) yes that's ((£1)) for.. wait for it.... one hindered and fifty years 150 years... I think any scheme involving public money for a purpose built and fit for purpose, modern, long hall airport that will support the whole economy cannot in any way come under any criticism from an apparently corrupt or incompetent Tory local council such as SBC. but that's what you get when you vote for a local administration that prides itself on self sustaining arrogance/ignorance.

Deborah007 wrote:
Personally, I welcome the expansion of Southend's Airport and the Thames Estuary Airport in Kent (very similar to the City Airport). It will create new prospects for the area in terms of employment & the tourism industry. Let's bring in the new...

It would only be similar to the city airport if the city airport was thirty or forty times larger.
Do you want non-stop aircraft noise 24 hours a day overhead?
Do you want the associated pollution?
Do you want the cancers and respiratory diseases that go with it?
Do you want the mass unemployment it will cause in Southend and the surrounding area?
Do you want to see Southend's tourist trade killed off? (who is going to go for a day trip to look at an airport and be deafened by aircraft?)

If this country wants to progress in a modern world this hub airport is needed asap, with its location close to the eurostar line, connections to HS2, new road links (reworked M25 from A13 round to M11 done, new A130 onto new saddlers farm done). just need the 2nd river crossing linked to saddlers farm past canvey into a tunnel linked to the M2. short haul and domestic passengers are then moved from this airport to gatwick and SOUTHEND and it becomes the center of the know world...
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ADucksQuack wrote:

Deborah007 wrote:
Personally, I welcome the expansion of Southend's Airport and the Thames Estuary Airport in Kent (very similar to the City Airport). It will create new prospects for the area in terms of employment & the tourism industry. Let's bring in the new...

It would only be similar to the city airport if the city airport was thirty or forty times larger.
Do you want non-stop aircraft noise 24 hours a day overhead?
Do you want the associated pollution?
Do you want the cancers and respiratory diseases that go with it?
Do you want the mass unemployment it will cause in Southend and the surrounding area?
Do you want to see Southend's tourist trade killed off? (who is going to go for a day trip to look at an airport and be deafened by aircraft?)

Good grief. Get a grip.
1. Southend will not be under the flightpath. It would not be necessary to impose such a sharp turn to/from the airport. Southend is hardly surrounded by mountains to necessitate such an approach/departure.
2. Southend will not feel any effects of any pollution and airport several miles away. No more than from anything else. We have a refinery and power stations a stones throw away. There is also road traffic. They all throw out more pollution than any airport will.
3. As for cancers and respiratory diseases, there far more likely causes for these conditions than from air pollution caused by aircraft.
4. Unemployment? It can't be much worse than it is at the moment. How can you say there will not be vast employment oportunities, because they may well be.
5. I do not think the tourists this town attracts will worry about seeing aircraft flying into and out of an airport a few miles across the water and I doubt very much they will hear them. If tourists can put up with the site of power stations and cargo ships then I am sure aircraft coming and going, at a distance, will not cause any concern. I mean, Southend will hardly be a St Maarten (look it up).

jayman... and a blind eye and a few brown envelopes to be filled with a wedge of pink Elizabeth's..
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prove it.
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could be argued that the airport is the attraction of st maarten

ADucksQuack wrote:

Deborah007 wrote:
Personally, I welcome the expansion of Southend's Airport and the Thames Estuary Airport in Kent (very similar to the City Airport). It will create new prospects for the area in terms of employment & the tourism industry. Let's bring in the new...

It would only be similar to the city airport if the city airport was thirty or forty times larger.
Do you want non-stop aircraft noise 24 hours a day overhead?
Do you want the associated pollution?
Do you want the cancers and respiratory diseases that go with it?
Do you want the mass unemployment it will cause in Southend and the surrounding area?
Do you want to see Southend's tourist trade killed off? (who is going to go for a day trip to look at an airport and be deafened by aircraft?)

If someone wants to spend £50billion on an airport then, whilst I appreciate the problems that concern you about the local area, they will fall on deaf ears at government level. If the government wants a new airport then wherever it is built there will be all the things you mention, so you will be dismissed as a nimby. If you want to oppose it then you need to find specific reasons why it cannot be built in the estuary rather than the effects it will have on whichever town is adjacent to wherever it is eventually built. Might I suggest you take an interest in the birdlife of the area, or the ecology of the estuary, or the Richard Montgomery. Whilst the points you raise are valid for the people of Southend they will mean nothing to the decision makers in Westminster who will face, and are adept at dealing with (ignoring), the same arguments from the residents of wherever it is finally built.

Southend airport land is council owned

I hope it isn't owned by Basildon Council or it'll soon be sold to developers for housing.....

Nebs wrote:

ADucksQuack wrote:

Deborah007 wrote:
Personally, I welcome the expansion of Southend's Airport and the Thames Estuary Airport in Kent (very similar to the City Airport). It will create new prospects for the area in terms of employment & the tourism industry. Let's bring in the new...

It would only be similar to the city airport if the city airport was thirty or forty times larger.
Do you want non-stop aircraft noise 24 hours a day overhead?
Do you want the associated pollution?
Do you want the cancers and respiratory diseases that go with it?
Do you want the mass unemployment it will cause in Southend and the surrounding area?
Do you want to see Southend's tourist trade killed off? (who is going to go for a day trip to look at an airport and be deafened by aircraft?)

If someone wants to spend £50billion on an airport then, whilst I appreciate the problems that concern you about the local area, they will fall on deaf ears at government level. If the government wants a new airport then wherever it is built there will be all the things you mention, so you will be dismissed as a nimby. If you want to oppose it then you need to find specific reasons why it cannot be built in the estuary rather than the effects it will have on whichever town is adjacent to wherever it is eventually built. Might I suggest you take an interest in the birdlife of the area, or the ecology of the estuary, or the Richard Montgomery. Whilst the points you raise are valid for the people of Southend they will mean nothing to the decision makers in Westminster who will face, and are adept at dealing with (ignoring), the same arguments from the residents of wherever it is finally built.

The points raised are hardly valid (see my reponse to the post). The only reasons the airport will not be built will be down to logistics, technical issues and financial restraints. Any other reasons would be, and should be, dismissed as the issues referred to can easily be resolved or dismissed as insignificant.

emcee wrote:

Nebs wrote:

ADucksQuack wrote:

Deborah007 wrote:
Personally, I welcome the expansion of Southend's Airport and the Thames Estuary Airport in Kent (very similar to the City Airport). It will create new prospects for the area in terms of employment & the tourism industry. Let's bring in the new...

It would only be similar to the city airport if the city airport was thirty or forty times larger.
Do you want non-stop aircraft noise 24 hours a day overhead?
Do you want the associated pollution?
Do you want the cancers and respiratory diseases that go with it?
Do you want the mass unemployment it will cause in Southend and the surrounding area?
Do you want to see Southend's tourist trade killed off? (who is going to go for a day trip to look at an airport and be deafened by aircraft?)

If someone wants to spend £50billion on an airport then, whilst I appreciate the problems that concern you about the local area, they will fall on deaf ears at government level. If the government wants a new airport then wherever it is built there will be all the things you mention, so you will be dismissed as a nimby. If you want to oppose it then you need to find specific reasons why it cannot be built in the estuary rather than the effects it will have on whichever town is adjacent to wherever it is eventually built. Might I suggest you take an interest in the birdlife of the area, or the ecology of the estuary, or the Richard Montgomery. Whilst the points you raise are valid for the people of Southend they will mean nothing to the decision makers in Westminster who will face, and are adept at dealing with (ignoring), the same arguments from the residents of wherever it is finally built.

The points raised are hardly valid (see my reponse to the post). The only reasons the airport will not be built will be down to logistics, technical issues and financial restraints. Any other reasons would be, and should be, dismissed as the issues referred to can easily be resolved or dismissed as insignificant.

You'll just put up signs to solve the 'insignificant' problem of millions of migratory birds then..?

The Thames Estuary and Marshes, which includes the marshes of Rainham, South benflleet, foulness and Maplin sands are one of the most important wetland sites in the whole of Europe. They lie directly under one of the 5 major migration routes connecting the Arctic with Africa. Over 350,000 wildfowl spend the winter here before return north for the summer. The Thames estuary and marshes are protected under european law (5 SPAs). The mere thought of building an airport here is an act of National Vandalism. How could we as a national expect the third world to protect and preserve rain forest, when we even contemplating trashing this wilderness right on the edge of London.
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